450 Bushmaster vs 400 Legend!! Which is best??

Take a look a the performance of two of the best straight wall cartridges you can use for whitetails. Hopefully this can shed some light on the new 400 legends capabilities! #hunting #shooter #outdoors #target #deer #whitetails #shoot #practice #straightwall #range #rangetime #performance #iowa #precision

[@ev3dale298]

I have the polymer Patriot in .450 Bushy. Never given me any problems. 5 deer in the last two seasons, 4 of which dropped where they stood and never moved. The fifth ran 40 yards and turfed. I did hit a 6th last year with my 54-year-old Marlin 336 in .35 REM. Looked for for two days and never recovered it. My .450 Patriot has become my favorite rifle for inside 200 yards. Inch-and-a-half groups all day at 100 yards with Hornady Black. If I want to extend that distance and/or go for heavier game, I'll load it with Bear Creek 240-grain nylon-tipped Copper @ 3250 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. If I'm going to be looking 400 yards down a gas line, I'll take the 22" Polymer Ruger American Standard Gen One in 7mm-08. Both the Patriot and the Ruger have surprisingly light recoil.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Excellent, glad to hear you’ve been having luck with the 450. Definitely an adequate amount of energy dump. Excited to test the 400 legend out this year. Great info too, thanks for sharing.

[@garytrainer1690]

So..... In what way did any of this show how one may have been "better"? 🤷

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

I would disagree on one point you can get good groups at 50 yards with rifled barrel shotguns and saboted slugs. Just did yesterday in Illinois.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Yeah after I said that, I forgot about the couple years running a 220 savage very accurate with sabots. Thanks for the feed back

[@billdailey6315]

The Savage 220 slug gun shoots like a rifle. Not your daddy’s shotgun.

[@richardhughes5638]

I would agree that if your shotgun is not groupings well that's either ammo or the gun itself

[@billdailey6315]

I have the 350 Legend and love it. I was curious about the 400. Looks like it shoots well. Thanks for the video!

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Absolutely does good luck out there, and thanks for the feed back.

[@garyjones6914]

Thanks for your time and spent rounds. Both shot better than my 7.62x54R. My buddy calls it "MOA of Deer" Its been Glass Bedded in two different stocks, timney trigger, .308 and .311 bullets of all types and powders. Short of rebarrel or recrown. So brother it could be alot worse. Thanks again for your effort and rounds. Club of No Return! Life Member

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Heck yeah I really appreciate that point of view.

[@TerryLay-sn9gg]

@@garyjones6914 that's exactly right!

[@BigBwana69]

You can’t be disappointed in those groups when you are shooting off of hot seats. Get a better front and rear rest and you’ll do much better.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

True, definitely need to.

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

Currently I never seen 400 legend in stores, so I would have to go with the .450 Bushmaster 😅

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Yeah that’s kind of a downfall.

[@billdailey6315]

You can find the 400’s online. The rollout has been terrible. I heard they were waiting on magazines from they’re manufacturer. Makes you wonder about that jiggle when the magazine is seated.

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

I’ve seen plenty of them lately in my area so I’m guessing they are finally getting them out there. Ammo is here also. Hopefully it’s just a slow start.

[@TerryLay-sn9gg]

Great video, I picked the 350legend because the ammunition is every where, love it

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Yeah, hopefully the 400 Legend becomes more consumer friendly. It can be tough finding ammo for it.

[@jerryjester4959]

@@iowatimberfreaks7102Winchester is releasing it’s Deer season xp 190 grainers sometime in late August 💯👍🏻

[@mattites3545]

I have ruger scout 450. Its a true 1 moa beast. My kids call it the heart breaker. I ran the math on a 400 when the 350 came out. I knew it was only a matter of time. I came out with a 175 copper bullet should hit at 2500 ish with a drop at only 6 inch at 300 yards zeroed at 150. So i saving my money till they catch up. Ruger give me my new scout 400. Also i called my round the 400 rush. I recommend putting a muzzle redirect on the 450. Saved my ears during hunting season

[@mikemarker4387]

Hit groups are not too bad for you bent over so much shooting. Hard to be consistent in a unnatural position. But, not to bad. Definitely deer dirt nap.

[@ericphares]

Winchester makes 3 different grans they have it in 215g 190g and 300 g the 300 g is subsonic. I love the 400 I have 2 350 legends and I love them so much I got excited when Winchester decided to finally release the 400Legend and I agree I really hope Hornity gets on the wagon and start making ammunition for the 400Legend. The energy at 200 yards is crazy. If you haven't gotten a 400 yet get one you won't be disappointed. God bless you all and happy hunting this up coming season

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Good to know I’ve only seen the 215 so far would be cool to try the 190s, thanks for sharing. Good luck this year, hand out some naps.

[@aronkoppold3981]

I'm from Iowa to I love my 450 bushmaster

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

They are a great improvement to getting the job done at longer distance that’s for sure.

[@larryl9108]

I have been waiting for these since the 90's. I really dislike slug guns and muzzle loaders after hunting in pa with a rifle. More accurate than a slug gun could ever be and way cheaper to shoot. Good video. Took deer with 350L last year. Looking to buy a ruger am in 400L

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Yeah it is pretty crazy how much of a difference it makes with these new calibers. Glad to hear you had success last year. Definitely more affordable as well for ammo. Thanks for the feedback.

[@owenhalverson9119]

I hunt in OH. I use a 12 gauge. I'm really considering getting a rifle for this season, but I don't know what one to get decisions decisions

[@brickhammerSS]

Nice video. Thanks for posting. Im in straight walled Ohio and been trying to decide on what straight walled rifle to get. Leaning towards the ruger American 450 bushmaster (rancher)

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

The 450 will be an amazing option for taking a whitetail, the 400 legend I believe will be suitable. However the first hand experience I have with the 450 has been to say the least “impressive”. Good luck to you and thanks for the feed back.

[@tripplebeards3427]

I’ve have a brand new 450 bushmaster gun site scout sitting new in a box for years. I might have to break it out one of these days.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Pretty sweet caliber. You won’t be mad at yourself.

[@tripplebeards3427]

@@iowatimberfreaks7102 had one in the American and ruger replaced it with the gun site. It literally rattled apart and hogged out the bolt stop pin hole and trigger pin holes. The magaize would fall out every other round and the factory scope base wasn't machined property and kept loosening up ans causing my optic to shift forward in the rings. The ammo wouldnt eject out of the action when "test cycling"...without firing. Ruger uses soft metal alloys for the receivers and they just don't hold up long term. This all happened after the first range session with a little over 200 firings. Won't buy any more Americans after that. They shoot super tight groups but use dollar store quality materials to build them unfortunately.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Wow that’s crazy, thanks for that wondering if I’m see some of the same malfunctions? Bolt was getting tough.

[@billdailey6315]

@@tripplebeards3427Ruger has gone downhill. They should bring back the 77 series.

[@haroldmartin4547]

Have an Encore barrel in 450 BM, its a good shooter. Have been thinking about a barrel in 400 Legend. Good video👍👍

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

That’d be sweet, and thanks!

[@Graybeardforge]

Where did you get that target mount? Never seen that before!😂

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Works great, til I doesn’t.

[@aronkoppold3981]

Cold bore clean bore almost positive on the 400

[@DuddyTales]

Tap your rings after adjusting your scope.. helps them from sticking. Saves you from wasting that 1st shot.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Yeah I’ve done that in the past, probably should do that on every shoot. Appreciate the feedback.

[@joeparker7508]

Shooting setup not to stable ,thanks hope cva puts 400 single shot

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Pretty good actually may look weird but quite steady.

[@FirearmFanatic3006]

I might have missed it, but were either of these rifles zero'd prior to grouping them in this video? If they were, I'd be sure to re-torque all of your scope mount fasteners and ensure the scope reticle is square with the bore. I'd argue the shot group's size, and it's actual location on the target are two different things. The group location can obviously be adjusted for within the scope. If you have holes touching each other, but the location is higher than your point of aim, then you have excellent groups whose location simply needs to be adjusted for within the scope. If it were me, I'd get some sort of MIL reticle scope and get a dead nuts 100 yard zero with both rifles. Laying out prone on the ground and resting the rifle on a stable rest will help take a lot of human error out of this equation. I'd shoot no less than five rounds per group to ensure you have a good average of the accuracy you, the barrel, and ammunition are capable of producing Once a dead nuts 100 yard zero is obtained, I'd then shoot 5+ round groups at various distances while holding my point of aim dead center on the target, then making a note of where your point of impact is relative to the MIL dots/hash marks in the scope's reticle. For example, if you are POA/POI at 100yds, but at 150yds you're one MIL low, you now know your holdover for 150yds is 1.0 MILs high which should be the first hash mark below the center crosshair. This way you can quickly and easily make on-the-fly hold over/under shots based on this data. I have this "DOPE" (Data Of Previous Engagements) written down on a notecard and taped to the stock of my rifle. Very interesting video though! I hope 400 Legend takes off, especially since it seems to have the power of 450 Bush but with significantly less recoil!

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Yes, the 450 was zeroed at 150 last deer season, both scopes were checked for proper torque before shooting. I would probably get mil scopes if I didn’t party hunt, and was to sit in a blind. Usually taking shots quick with little to no time to range. Would have shot prone however given the hay being 7-12 inch stubble would make it difficult. Unless I got elevated platform which might in the future. I didn’t show the last groups, but I have both guns about 1inch high at 100yrds now. With my necked down cartridges I probably will use some of these ideas appreciate the feedback.

[@ozark_trapper]

Groups need to be at 100 yds. My state is allowing them in muzzle loader season. My wife is picking me up a Ruger Gen 2 450 bushmaster. I'm going to top it with a Leupold Freedom 3x9x40mm 450 bushmaster scope. I will reload for mine.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Heck yeah that’ll put em down!!

[@aronkoppold3981]

I've had a sticky bolt on my Ruger American 450 on my hand loads before

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Good to know, I’ve never noticed it during December during deer drives which is strange.

[@mikegilliland2067]

I can tell u why u got bullet shift u changed the power on scope .Bushnell will change inpact

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

Mossberg rifles are not made well. I will not be buying one. Pretty much everything else on market ismade better than the mossberg atr/patriot rifles.

[@aronkoppold3981]

My 450 does the same thing on a cold bore

[@SolarmoonedOutdoors]

safe to say that gun hates that ammo

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Could be, could be a malfunctioning part. Assuming your talking about the hard seating of the bolt action.

[@jefferymccargar4174]

Ya okay I've done 1 moa at a 100 with a 20 gage big deal my choice is the 450 the 400 is not taking off good better choices out there. So bla bla bla bla bla

[@erikleirmo9147]

You having any issues with your mossbergs? Kinda want a 400 or a 450 in a cascade for hunting Brush nice group for a crappy rest then again hunting we have to improvise rests. That’s decent shooting for the rest you got

[@Dalesarty]

I can’t believe with all that open space you gotta hunt with a straight wall cartridge. Those straight walls fall kinda short in all that open space you got there.

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Well in Eastern Iowa, and in southern Iowa there are a lot of hills, and ridges. And it definitely attributes to letting some of the bucks reaching more maturity in my opinion. Which is nice.

[@aronkoppold3981]

Where did you get the Ruger American with the black stock mine is a ugly tan

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

It was purchased at a gun shop, they had both colors tan and black. I’ve seen a couple in green looks really cool.

[@joeparker7508]

Cleaned the bore first shot on 400

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Cleaned after purchase before shooting.

[@user-bc3ic1lp2e]

Good video, Do u know is the 400 more or less recoil then a 308

[@user-eg8hb8xt3j]

Stick with the 308 unless you hunt in straight wall only states

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Very similar, both produce at 17 lbs of recoil, depending on weight of gun.

[@user-bc3ic1lp2e]

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[@user-bc3ic1lp2e]

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[@steveburlingame1935]

They make 200 grain 450 bushmaster

[@michaelrobinson714]

I saw you mess with the magnification after your first shot if you sighted in on 9x and shoot it at 3x its not going to hit in the same spot

[@TODinWY]

WHAT ?????

[@boomstick4054]

It should hold zero no matter where you set the magnification. I had a scope that was faulty, everything moved internally as you adjusted the magnification,,, but a good scope won’t do this.

[@lewismitchell464]

You would get better groups if you had a shooting sled

[@Northcoastwrench]

So you didn't answer your own question?

[@iowatimberfreaks7102]

Both good calibers. I will know more after using it for a deer season. Was mainly seeing how well they comparatively grouped. Thanks for the feedback.

[@boomstick4054]

@@iowatimberfreaks7102- Just go with the 450 BM. Look at those huge holes in the target, that plastic container actually bled!

[@mattpickrell4095]

41 Great Lakes beats both

[@dustybawls5603]

Yes and I bet you will be able to find ammo for it every where!! Dumb A$$!

[@ANW-cl7bw]

​@dustybawls5603 not to mention 1000 beans and up to put a rig together. 😂😂

[@TODinWY]

In all honesty and all due respect...This test shed very little light on anything. If you are going to continue this get a good rest and shooting platform.

[@ANW-cl7bw]

The suspect the point of this video was to compare the two, not get the best possible groups.

[@user-mp5jg2wl7v]

I'm surprised off of a plastic table.. and no rest that you could even get that... 😂