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[@bobeverbirch4020]

Gotta have lands. Really hard to play cEDH without and lands in the deck.

[@Dayyyjoey26]

I wonder if there’s an oops all spells cedh variant?

[@soorian6493]

But notably not impossible

[@vajtastic9455]

Wow I did not know that...I thought lands were an extra card you got at the back of every booster pack to signify colors...great to know I can put them in decks🤣

[@BootLegHuman420]

Lands are bad They are too slow

[@superfunforce8052]

We also need cards. Cards are important. Sleeves. Unless youre a savage who plays unsleeved.

[@oORoOFLOo]

Originally, when Ryan brought the script, it looked like this: #1 Godo #2 Godo #3 Godo #4 Godo #5 Godo After a long argument, the guys decided to present the list of tips to patreons who ultimately decided that Ryan's version, although very truthfuly, would not bring any depth and lesson to new players and it "would make us look f****ng dumb", thus the paterons helped to create more informative script. Thank you.

[@Scienceboy0]

7:43 Alright I listened to your advice and demonic tutored for the card Cream of the Crop.

[@ggpt9641]

Guaranteed massive card filtering for decks with a lot of creatures. Likely better in big green where one goes tall, not wide.

[@Lowelo860]

1: Thassas oracle 2: Demonic consitation 3. Profit

[@trevorstammler]

My LGS looks down at us now if we play demonic consultation or tainted pact. We're a smaller town and our players are mostly less competitive than actual cEDH, but I still enjoy it as it lets me see what other crazy things I can do. My favorite was my hermit druid tasigur deck where I cast HD on turn 2, activated turn 3, and then just necrotic ooze combo'd.

[@emptysentiment7932]

@@trevorstammler what's the necrotic ooze combo? I'm building Tasigur as my first power 8ish deck

[@trevorstammler]

@@emptysentiment7932 any creature that untaps itself (usually pili pala) w/ anything that will tap for multiple mana, like llanowar tribe or krosan restorer. That gets you infinite mana (and with tasigur, you can cast any card in your deck pretty much, so win however you like after that). I personally used knacksaw clique since it’s untap also exiles libraries.

[@eskimoprime09]

I think another good topic to go into would be the efficiency of combo pieces and how that shapes the deck. The reasons that most Oracle/Consultation combos are very aggro and fast decks, whereas Kiki/Felidar combos are usually found in stax based decks.

[@JonathanHecht]

can you make a video on how to correctly use cards like necropotence, plunge into darkness, tainted pact and demonic consultation? (not when you need them to empty your library)

[@andrewaman7661]

So true especially scince they are just tutors with really bad downsides before alll the combos

[@xcver]

To be fair usage of a specific card can be very very intricate. I would point towards Understanding Gush: Strategies and Tactics by Stephen Menendian which is over 300 pages long and centers only around the card Gush and on top only in a vintage setting.

[@bobeverbirch4020]

Demonic consultation basically isn’t used aside from to win or as a last ditch effort to prevent a loss. The possibility of losing on the spot with it is too high.

[@andrewaman7661]

@@bobeverbirch4020 fair but i have seen non fish decks use it lierally as the worst tutor like orzov and mono black searching for win cons ,maybe an angel's grace or imp's mischief

[@damo9961]

@@bobeverbirch4020 6 out of 80 odd isn't that high. You just think about it as one of your tutor suite - you need a tutor for a combo piece ASAP so in that sense you can multiply that 6 out 80 by how many tutors you run to get your overall efficiency. CEDH is cutthroat, a 74 out of 80 odd chance of getting your win con is definitely worth it. If you lose you lose - there are 3 other players at the table. I've run it in a number of decks for years - and it's never lost me the game on the spot.

[@Treon6252]

This is a really cool series for wanting to get into this type of magic, but would be cool to see some commanders for intro level cedh

[@adamgoodman3170]

CEDH TV has a video tht has 10 (i think) commanders for intro level cedh

[@Dubi264]

I have no plans to make a cdh deck, but it's still really interesting to see the thought process involved and think about the differences from casual edh frameworks.

[@shavedata5436]

*cough* proxy *cough*

[@damo9961]

@@shavedata5436 I play Cedh, and if u drop proxies I'll calmly explain how I bought my cards and scoop. GG

[@shavedata5436]

​@@damo9961 I could care less

[@keylometers6342]

@@damo9961 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHKvmKBnptCYfKc

[@michaeldoan410]

@@damo9961 I too own my Cedh collection. I do not mind if a person proxies cards. A piece of advice I would share with you: Embrace your collection for why you acquired it first. I don't see people who proxy without the intent to at least buy the cards as serious as I would see you, but I still say proxy because that's one of the ways people get serious and interested in the expensive Cedh format. Also I really really hate playing against Timmy. Timmy hates me too. You already know that lol.

[@kirdiekirdie]

This reminded me to pick up a Tabernacle but even Italian ones now go for over 2000 € in Germany so this will have to stay a proxy.

[@SvviftDeath]

I think Energy Flux is also a great Artifact Stax card. I used it turn 2 off a mana dork and it proceeded to carry me the entire game since my opponents kept hands that heavily depended on their artifact mana.

[@Grand_Admiral]

Really great stuff! I've found the perception of formats like Vintage or cEDH often does not match reality, but videos like this help bring perception and reality closer together.

[@justinmcadams6418]

I follow this channel heavily as someone that plays casual edh, but is also competitive. Breaking into cedh isn't cheap, so my group heavily proxies to have fun in this speed racer version of edh. That aside the deck building tips and ideas this channel presents transfer over so well into the general idea of deckbuilding, regardless of how fast or strong decks get built. I have learned a great deal and continue to learn and that is why I love this channel.

[@Tig3rV3nom]

I fully build godo about 2 years ago after watching your videos. Still my favorite deck so far!

[@chrisblack7583]

Knowing what decks your playing against before a game is important to

[@carlosmuriel7602]

Great episode, keep it up!!

[@jadenpaber1952]

awesome video, i didnt think of using trinisphere nor defense grid thanks much

[@Zweihandleable]

10% luck 20% skill 15% concentrated power of will 5% pleasure 50% pain

[@Ithalica]

And a 100% reason to combo-win the game!

[@maxkordon]

15% concentrated force of will

[@NMPMineCraft]

Go into talking about the different mana rocks we use in the format and even more so put an emphasis on cheap to cast spells given the expectation that each play is trying to win as soon as possible.

[@victorholguin5768]

Love your content!

[@juliosamaniego2206]

Good stuff 👍🏻

[@lushG678]

I find a budget option for some land stax while not seeming that great is confounding conundrum, I know in Cedh most people use artifact ramp so may not be that effective, but in most cases it's a problem for people as they can't ramp while you can since it's an asymmetrical effect

[@TCG9777]

I'll use this for Slimefoot

[@jhomastefferson3693]

One of the best A+B combos is old gisela and old hidetsugu. With both out, Heartless hidetsugus ability is "tap to win at the cost of a quarter of your life."

[@notthis9586]

From the videos Ive seen seems like infinite combos, card draw, counterspells, and things that disrupt the prior three are what make up most of cedh XD

[@addambarcelos]

Cool topic, great work as always ^^

[@yubeluchiha]

Good video

[@KenBaumann]

This is great! I'd also encourage cEDH builders to look for the most efficient mana base possible. (Remember: proxies are great!)

[@slgsreds]

Also don’t be afraid to ask for suggestions! Discord is great!

[@jessejames9684]

Proxies are supposed to be temporary and not your whole mana base including lotuses and vault, crypt, tutors and pact. You guys have fun now

[@derekmccoy2799]

Thank you. Maybe I can be good enough one day to play with you guys.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

You are good enough now!

[@derekmccoy2799]

Not quite still have trouble closing out games with kinnan. But I appreciate the compliment.

[@josephrice4799]

I'm new to the format but this has me thinking 🤔 but I'm a graveyard deck (Slimefoot and Squee) I'm not sure what kind of sticks I could play.

[@one_bad_mofo8658]

My Kykar deck is approaching cedh level, so much so that I refuse to play it unless other people are playing with more tuned and optimized decks that can stand up to it. Jeskai and Boros are my two absolute favorite color pairings because of how the people who taught me how to play magic explained the importance of your first deck reflecting yourself. Now whenever I teach people how to play magic, when they ask what deck would you recommend? Identify where you are on the color pie. Pick the two colors that identify you the most and that is where you should not only start, but favor. Now that doesn't mean down the line you won't find something in other colors you just like a lot more or you get really good at vs previously, but it's a good starting point none the less. The one color that speaks aligns most with me is White, so the first deck I ever built was actually Selesnya. Then I branched into Azorius fliers because Blue representing intellect and a thirst for knowledge is certainly something I value but I hated blue because of it's controlling nature and I would much much rather someone beat me because they we're flat out better than me rather than just say "Oh...you don't play the game and I beat you." Not. Fun. That's when someone pointed out that's a Red characteristic and I should look into Red/White or Boros. At first they explained burn decks are super fun and fast and really aggro decks weren't that appealing to me until I decided to play competitively at my LGS and the meta at the time...control decks. So now I had to learn; what beats control? Aggro. I homebrewed a cheap but effective Boros deck to slap on the table and my first match up, kid was bragging about how he spent nearly $500 building his Esper control deck and when I told him I was playing Boros, he goes "Pfft, I've never lost to a Boros deck". I went 2-0 against him. When I told the judge so he could tally my score, the kid stood up looking down at his deck and goes "...I've never lost to Boros." Left his deck there at the table and stormed off. Over time though I did learn the importance of control decks in the meta when the meta is overrun by a certain playstyle dominating the latter, so as much as I hated control decks...I had to embrace it. And it was there I discovered how much of a tempo player I am and how Jeskai is the perfect color pairing for that type of gameplay. A fun story, but the point is for anyone wanting to take a deck seriously...start with yourself. What colors represent you and how do you like to play? That should be your starting point.

[@CeltiesSin]

My biggest lack in decks, from starting casual to my recent competitive, has always been interaction. In my logical mind, I know that interaction wins games, but my gremlin mind on the other hand says “your win con didn’t resolve? Put in a 4-5th win con to balance it out; they’ll run out of counters eventually” 😑

[@heights__3209]

That Stimmy drops and y'all all on here ready to risk it all huh?

[@drengoa8435]

More niv-mizzet, parun plss :D

[@josemiguelreyes8078]

I cant see the sinergy between Yisan and Trinisphere. Can someone explain me please?

[@jzplayinggame]

I find that cedh is mostly about expensive resource cards to tutor out 1-3 combo win conditions which kinda defeats the purpose of a 100 card deck no? If the whole point is to deckbuild to get a consistent engine of 2-3 combo cards why not play something else

[@ashtonbrockway9312]

lim-duls vault is a tutor dude.

[@dennard93]

Not Magic related, but what's the BGM title?

[@BiJay33]

Lands though.

[@burkschris1]

I very rarely see anything on Jhoira Weatherlight Captain for cEDH. Why is this?

[@FlyFoxAir]

you missed an important element.. lands :)

[@user-fj9cr7mu7o]

at 3:36, I don't see why trinisphere works good with yisan? Isn't yisan just bring out tool box creature/combo off?

[@DasNoobencrusher]

The general idea is that Trinisphere really hurts other decks, and Yisan can just play around it by pulling stuff out of your library. Yisan gets to cheat a lot things that way.

[@user-fj9cr7mu7o]

@@DasNoobencrusher understood, thank you very much

[@kennethacuna9996]

Can someone explain yisan + trinisphere?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Everyone's spells cost more, but you don't care because you're searching up creatures through an activated ability.

[@EMPCraft]

4:25 Not 100% true. Imagine you are the only onr playing disruption and the other players play turbo win strategies. When you stop the first player the second player will just win because you blew your disruption. Even if you are after the player that tried to win you used 1-2 cards/resources to stop him so the likelyhood of you having the win is vastly lower.

[@jzplayinggame]

Money.

[@falconlord7811]

Can we get more videos in this series

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Our podcast takes up this mantle

[@crovax1375]

Is Destructive Flow playable in cEDH?

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

There isn't a committee that dictates whether or not a card is or is not "playable" in CEDH. Play what you want. You can then figure out whether or not it's any good in CEDH. That's the best part! Figuring out new strategies and cards can be a lot of fun!

[@lzan4gi]

In my Darigaaz MLD staxy deck yes, it is. I switch around between Darigaaz and Lord Windgrace and therefore switch some cards to fit better with the chosen commander, but Destructive flow is super nice.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

I would also like to add the fun thing about cEDH is you have magics entire library at your disposal minus the banned cards so you can find out how to make your strategy work in cEDH and a little advice with enough Stax anything is viable

[@Speetlebeetle]

All of them should just be play ThOracle lol

[@johnb3427]

He says “Winning at any co$$$t” ?? Yup - what does the dark confidant FT say? Greatness at ANY CO$T !! Plus for tutors add in the much needed reprint - imperial seal

[@9ateway]

Normal cEDH pods are usually fine with proxies so long as they look like the card they represent. They want to play against the player's skill and not their wallet.

[@indeliblemakes5359]

I just dont get it....winning is the goal in every game................not just CDEH?

[@darrenengland6269]

Not trying to be funny. But for cedh, especially if you want to play a proper tourny with a deck, money is a critical factor. Lot's of the best CEDH pieces are reserved list and have gone up in price a lot. I'm building CEDH Gitrog Monster, but just cannot afford a Bazaar of Baghdad. If I was to start building the deck now, rather than picking up a few pieces since last summer, cards which I would not be able to afford now include Gaea's Cradle, Chains of Mephistophiles... So having the money is pretty important. Not moaning, but this can put off new players, and there is no solution other than choosing a cedh deck which runs very little in the way of rl cards.

[@poilu146]

Well theres 2 solutions to this 1 is proxies (which most cedh players do cause not everyone can build multiple 10k +decks or want to ) or 2 just build budget builds like selvala brostorm and stuff like that which can still win just not quite as often

[@darrenengland6269]

@@poilu146 Yes, there are budget options, but I take you back to my point about sanctioned tournaments where proxies are not acceptable. To play on "Play EDH" or "cEDH Nexus" yes, you can run proxies. But you are going to get either yourself or worse, your lgs into a fair amount of trouble if you go to a prize event with faked or hand written proxies for the cards you don't own. Two of my friends run very good mono green cEDH decks so I know that they can be very powerful. I assume you are talking the mono green Selvala.

[@poilu146]

@@darrenengland6269 yeah i am

[@poilu146]

@@darrenengland6269 and yeah for sure i agree with u

[@DJSoSadRN]

Leave Kess alone! Fantastic video...otherwise.

[@theredbaron3989]

And the number 1 CEDH deckbuilding essential is.... Money.

[@TenTailedSasuke]

Or a decent printer

[@arthurpotter9092]

You can build godo for under $100...

[@JonathanHecht]

@@arthurpotter9092 and selvala

[@theredbaron3989]

@@arthurpotter9092 You can build *budget* Godo for $100. If you were building a Godo to battle with non-budget decks you would have to use a lot of high value cards.

[@arthurpotter9092]

@@theredbaron3989 got an example of high value cards that are needed to make godo function? As a godo player myself I can attest to having won turn one, two, and three before I scraped the money together to buy the non budget cards. And even with them they can often be unnessecary

[@arthurpotter9092]

4th

[@cortezmonaro2714]

Voting for a cost about 100$: part 4

[@mickeybeavison1053]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@RossTheBossOver9000]

first!

[@ErikTheRedd1]

Step 1: Be rich

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

nah just enough money to afford 100 sleeves 100 cards and a printer with printer paper maybe even a satin tower deck box lol