5 factions MOST needing an update...

[@Zerkovich]

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[@saledin-wd2gj]

and add Sea Battles and bigger city siege maps, would pay for that

[@Nawaf-il1gq]

What about the elfs

[@JiggilySmash]

Brettonia is the only one I think is missing from this list. The whole peasant system is kind of rough right now.

[@raitoiro]

No the Vampire Coast is also a missing

[@meh13474]

​@@raitoiro dude he said them

[@generaldreagonlps6889]

@@meh13474 Maybe he mentioned them but he didn't go into them.

[@kiodyosiy]

@@meh13474 he said the vampire "counts" not vampire "coast"

[@HadamacikTheProphet]

no it isnt. I never once had problem with that. Maybe vow system needs rework to be less annoying but otherwise bretonnia is one of the strongest factions in the game.

[@Ghouleh3133]

Lizardmen are in such a weird place. They got so many LLs via DLCs during Warhammer 2, but none of that gave them an actual faction mechanic worth a damn. They don't need any more heroes or Lords - but they desperately need a rework of the Geomantic Web, as well as something - anything - for Mazdamundi, Kroq-Gar, Gor-Rok and Tik'Takto in regards to campaign mechanics.

[@scrollexdestiny]

they need the empire treatment

[@MajorCinnamonBuns]

I think I remember CA saying that they're doing a rework of the geomantic web in a interview video they made talking about the upcoming DLCs, so that should be coming.

[@shiggitydiggity4839]

Nakai still needs a complete campaign rework as well.

[@colossusslayer1234]

100%. They have sooo many lords its insane, but other than Nakai (who’s mid af) they all are kinda boring. Geomantic web is definitely lame right now, and every one of their lords needs an overhaul.

[@Wankers001]

exactly... I freaking love lizardmen and they are more or less a complete roster besides Tekko-Eko. But that damn geomantic web is just too passive and boring. We need a reactive and engaging mechanic for them. It is so off putting that I am not playing lizards for a time and bothers me as they are my favorite race to play

[@TheChefEgg]

I think more then 5 factions need a update tbh. To me, the Counts, Coasts, Tomb Kings, Lizardmen, Bretonnia, Norsca and Slaanesh all need some reworks. Also some individual lords from factions needs some love as well, Like Teclis for example, who is supposed to be one of the greatest wizards ever alive, but is so underpowered in the game, or Lord Skrolk, who really needs something similar to Nurgle''s plague cauldron to be more fun.

[@scrollexdestiny]

the lizardman and leaders like from the skaven tbh mostly just need an overhaul of the campaign mechanics and they would be ok (new units are obvs always good)

[@LeVeLs404]

Bretonia and lizardmen (except oxyotl) need updates asap it’s so obvious that they are old races

[@joshmahle4908]

For ikit klaw forbidden workshop where you get like special weapons teams the poison wind mortar the warp grinder and poison wind globeader/bombader need love and they should add stormfeids that aren’t from a mod that you know

[@calesthenics]

GIVE US THANQUOL

[@Ahrone1586]

​@@calesthenicsTRUEEEEE

[@rtristan8572]

Norsca NEEDS a caster lord, either a Great Shaman, with a War Mamoth Shrine, or a Fimir Matriarch, or both.

[@sanderkiki]

Some sort of Bearkin would be great too, to differentiate them from skinwolves. Adding sorcerer lord and allow them to learn at least some monogod magic schools' spells.

[@1furious]

Given that the "Norsca" culture has been thematically expanded to include what in the lore are actually the distinct Kurgan and Hung peoples, some cavalry options for the Norsca like Hung Horse Archers or Kurgan melee cav could be an appropriate buff to their roster. I was hoping for some of this when WH2 released and AI Norscan factions appeared far outside of Norsca itself.

[@M0DIDDLY]

Would be nice if CA would bother to actually flesh out the "Norscan" part as well, as right now it's more like "Diet WoC"

[@loowick4074]

​@@M0DIDDLY lore wise they are just chaos slaves. So it sucks.

[@ewocci6855]

hung horse archers sounds a little weird

[@Smokey348]

@@M0DIDDLY woc? warriors of chaos?

[@M0DIDDLY]

@@Smokey348 yep

[@charleslister8465]

Vampires need proper bloodlines - plus units like Grave Guard with Halberds, Spirit Hosts, ROR Blood Knights, Coven Throne. Allow Norcsa to recruit some WoC units

[@ponli7532]

the lack of Grave Guard with Halberds is especially bizarre given how easy fix that is. I'm sure most of those get added when we get Nagash including Neferata, legendary hero Krell.

[@Manpigeon]

I REALLY want a badass Strigoi legendary lord. In general I just want the Strigoi to be more viable. I saw a mode once where they added a Ghoul King legendary lord that more or less functioned like Skarbrand and it looked pretty awesome.

[@samot6369]

​@@ManpigeonEither Ushoran or Vorag, both are kinda dead ( well Ushoran is rather missing, he came back for aos and was implied to be around for the end times ) but with vampires being dead is not much of a problem.

[@dogsittinggay7273]

Yeah I think them adding that with a Konrad dlc would be pretty good

[@killtacular4444]

Honestly, Dark Elves' main issues are with each individual faction campaigns. Their overarching mechanics aren't that bad, it is the individual character mechanics that often suck. -Maliketh is Witch King, despotic ruler of all Druchii, king of Naggaroth, tyrant of the New World. But he gets absolutely nothing to help him control other subjugate other dark elf factions other than a flat bonus to alliance points. He needs something like the Empire mechanic; let him rule and control other dark elf factions through dilemmas and events. Also he is sandwiched between Grombus and Valkia, which means it is a lot harder campaign than other "default" factions like Franz or Tyrion. -Morathi is honestly fine. Her startpos is pretty tough but the mechanics of the campaign themself are pretty decent. -Hellebron has an absolutely ass campaign; not only are you right next to Malekith (why wouldn't you just play him), your only meaningful mechanic is throwing slaves down the Death Night Dumpster to get mediocre bonuses to control and witch elves. Oh yeah, and an uncontrollable army that just kamikazes itself into the nearest High Elf faction without ever achieving anything. -Malus has the same issue as Hellebron. Although his bonuses are better, there is absolutely nothing interesting about hitting the beeg button to get public order. The best way to play Malus is honestly to play Malekith or Morathi and confederate him so you dont have to deal with the T'zarkan mechanic. -Rakarth is probably the best one; cool mechanics with the beast capturing, a unique start position, and you can even relocate back to Naggaroth with the Karond Kar quest. -Same goes for Lokhir, his faction is also pretty decent. However, it is much more shallow than Rakarth's. Sorry for the wall of text, I am very passionate about my Dark Edgy Bois :o

[@SpookyGhost999]

I love DE and I agree. Morathi is the most fun and challenging camping of them all.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

I just want them to get back Elven Colonies again.

[@Keilore]

I think they should have kept the same slave mechanic they had, instead of giving it to Chorfs. often I just spam diktats because I can. Watering down a mechanics isnt the best option (sorry I also think the old "babysit" for Cathay was better overall too)

[@BearPawSwipe]

I agree with a lot of the things you listed out. Thanks for sacrificing your fingers! XD

[@spiderking121]

Crone used to be really good in MP campaign as you could control the death night army, until CA decided to just take that away from you and let the AI kamikaze the army

[@CommanderTavos99]

Still, BRETONNIA!!!

[@LeVeLs404]

The only faction that never had an proper dlc lord or gameplay updates thanks they desperately need some updates

[@adamperdue3178]

I think Vampire Counts, Vampire Coast, and Tomb Kings could all use a DLC at the same time to help out the undead in general. CA can probably tie Nagash in with it.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

For Tomb Kings, I'd like to see the Tomb Scorpion building available for minor settlements at tier 3. It only provides +1 capacity and got lowered from tier 4 to tier 3 but you still can't build it in minor settlements.

[@victorcaldera249]

theres a mod for it

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

@@victorcaldera249 ...There is? I wasn't aware. I'd still like to see that made an official change.

[@fenwick101e]

Vamps need a cult or seduction mechanic as well as more vampire troops like sylvanian nobles inf or something ... OR just go mental and add Nagash lol

[@honorguard7616]

Blood dragons on foot?

[@matthewbarnard9067]

Or some actual ranged units. Not just renowned ranged units

[@PoorManatee6197]

@@matthewbarnard9067 give everything to everyone, what could go wrong?

[@brandonlyon730]

Nagash is more tomb kings adjacent then vampires despite his immortality formula bring the bases of the existence of Vampires in the first place in lore. Maybe he could be his own faction like the warriors of chaos where he can “recruit” all types of undead in his armies, from vampire counts, vampire coasts, tomb kings, etc of anything else undead related.

[@bigquazz3955]

​@@brandonlyon730 Nagash does have his own faction in tabletop, the undead legions. That being said, they already have a precedent to prevent them from making that a playable faction in game since Arkhan the black is also supposed to be part of the undead legions. If Nagash is added, he'll probably be a tombking just like Arkhan... Even though in the lore both are closer to vampire counts than tombkings. They practice a totally different kind of necromancy that makes the standard tombking skeletal legions near impossible to use. The dead hate Nagash so much that he even struggled to resurrect anything without causing an undead civil war at one point. So he's basically limited to resurrecting only a small amount of loyalist and completely mindless puppets.

[@Andrew_Li_O]

Bretonnia

[@ktvindicare]

My top 5 factions that need an update: Slaanesh, Norsca, Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings, Lizardmen

[@haydenarlo1950]

hard agree 🥺

[@insaneisduname6035]

Bro yes, especially Norsca and Vampire counts

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

IT SMELLS LIKE ONION PUSSY IN HERE..

[@michelrodrigues3771]

Norsca should be able to raid a coastal city and after a few turns get a text screen, with the option between accepting a small sum of money and no battle or denying and receding more money but having to fight a battle

[@xvim7106]

I think the Norscan Lords either need a generic Yellow path or their dedication path needs to be expanded significantly (preferably both). Most lords would have access to 30 Charge Bonus, 15 Armor, 12 MD, 12 MA, 20% WS, 15% speed, 15% HP, and 12 Leadership (some variation, but that's the baseline). Norscan lords only get 2 of those and 1 good buff for their dedication. Having a generic Yellow line that is a choice for Undivided while significantly expanding the focused aspects of the dedication lines would be ideal.

[@kylesinclair9025]

The re-upload curse

[@Crawltro]

Just thought of. In terms of Norsca - I'd like to see them lend from the caravan mechanic from Chaos Dwarves and Cathay. It could be like "expeditions" where instead of on land they go by ships on sea lanes and you send them to different regions. There could also be different expeditions, both raiding expedition where they go and sack regions for money and hunting expeditions where, perhaps like Rakarth you gain unique creatures based on the regions There could also be a settler expedition, where you gain a "farm" (really just like a Skaven undercity) in a region which you can expand to allow Wulfrik to go there (you know allowing him to be the "Wanderer"). Obviously your expeditions can then encounter different foes at sea. Just an idea - and I really would not mind them borrowing from other faction mechanics if it somehow helps the faction.

[@inductivegrunt94]

I agree with the take on Norsca. Norsca seriously needs more lords and modern mechanics. The monster hunt is good but needs more monsters, like those from TWW3. And only having 2 legendary lords and 1 generic lord really limits the kind of armies you can create. The roster is fine, maybe just add some more unique units like Huskarls or more Fimir units and it would be good.

[@eomat]

Bretonnia. The race who need DLC and update most of all. So many characters missing. A “Bowmen of Bergerac” faction would really spice them up. Damsels are desperately in need of a remodel. The Green Knight needs a skill tree.

[@LeVeLs404]

So true cause let’s be honest, they are a great faction but damn they are so dull after round 40 or so you totally feel that this is still an warhammer 1 faction

[@billylee7398]

What about the king in dah North?

[@Firefocus-fz2we]

Black Arks is one unit that should be slapped with a heavy unit quantity restrictions. That bs lags the Late Game unless you exterminate them.

[@Matt-ln7lb]

On the healing: Your numbers are off. There's an extra tick of healing when the effect is applied, so it's actually 1.6%, 3%, and 4.4% - this is consistent across all phase effects unless CA made changes that I've forgotten about.

[@doe6974]

Vcoast being totally ignored. Tbh though all they need is ability to attack/sack ports from ocean.

[@victorstoica5692]

similarly Norsca should get extra money from attacking enemy ports

[@Trinine9]

Norsca needs an update the most I remember when they came out back in #1 and they haven’t changed like at all

[@LeVeLs404]

True the warhammer 1 factions should be in the focus right now, I love bretonia but norsca needs an update desperately as well

[@Michael-kb2gk]

“You know what happens after giving 8% health back to skeletons? Absolutely nothing. Because they are shhitt”😂😂😂

[@luisgooding7363]

Hajajajajaj never said better and if you have better units you never reach the threshold, and ushabti are pretty bad, and above all, it has limited charges.

[@Geshmaal]

I kind of like where TK are at, they're sort of lore and table top accurate - a regional power but never going to take over the world. They'll get spicier if we get Nagash.

[@Manpigeon]

Its irritating though that a lot of their core mechanics rely on "taking over the world" though. They also have a number of pretty underwhelming units that dont do the job they are supposedly designed to do in the army.

[@johnpiraino8152]

Hello? Vampire Coast is OG like the Tomb Kings and needs new army units and a campaign spruce up before anyone else

[@evzenkastl6386]

Counts because they only wait 10 years.

[@bale9320]

Yeah but nobody plays them anyway. We can consider they do not exist.

[@evzenkastl6386]

@@bale9320 most knowledgable total war player

[@ChristosGourmas]

​@@bale9320 I play them.

[@MoaRider]

I hope Vampire Counts get more Vampire units, heroes and lords. I feel like the only vampires in the entire roster is that one hero unit and the Blood Dragon cavalry. I'd love to see get some elite frontline infantry and elite missile units so you can have Vampire only armies. Also completely redoing the Blood Kiss system so whichever bloodline you pick grants you unique vampire lord or heroes.

[@codywotring8973]

I'd be fine with actual vampire front lines, blood warriors or strigoi monsterous infantry , but I'm very much against missiles for them. Their whole thing as the counts is no missiles.

[@BearPawSwipe]

@@codywotring8973 I agree! No missiles.

[@MoaRider]

​@@codywotring8973 Actually, good point.

[@Smokey348]

vargheist are pretty good

[@Smokey348]

@@codywotring8973 what is actually the reason for the vampire counts to not have missiles?

[@jackp.9781]

Just like CA, Zerkovich forgot Bretonnia existed.

[@wizardofwaz1175]

Top 5 for me is Bretonnia, Lizardmen, Tomb Kings, Slaanesh, and ol' Damn Daniel. Guy was a big part of the advertising and he's just been completely absndoned.

[@LeVeLs404]

Bretonia and lizardmen 100% and yes the concept of Daniel is amazing but dang I’ve tried him over and over again, but it is sooooo dull to play

[@jasonhemphill8525]

I wouldn't worry about TK. They are definitely getting a rework when Nagash inevitably gets added.

[@LukasKain]

Bretonnia, Lizardfolk, Norsca, Vamp Counts, and Tomb Kings. Slaanesh and Ogre Kingdoms I feel like don't count since they're going to for sure be an upcoming dlc.

[@michanosalik1398]

In my opinion dark elves still have better mechanics than bretonia. Bretonia needs udpate instead of dark elves.

[@gHGhej]

Both plus more NEED to be updated regardless of arguing which order 😂

[@LeVeLs404]

True, both could need an update but imo dark elves are still bit more fleshed out than bretonia you feel those are races from different time eras, I mean warhammer 1 and 2 but they are defiantly not up to the the warhammer 3 standards

[@CptRusky69]

Vampire counts need more depth to the bloodlines mechanic. Maybe the tech tree could be more focused around the bloodlines? Or a separate system from the tech tree like Chaos Dwarf conclave or Deathmaster Snikch's system related to the different bloodlines. Also, it would be kinda cool if the "rise from the dead" mechanic was more interactive. Imagine you get some kind of battle currency (still could have random chance baked in) that you earn, and allows you to choose which units to revive. Stronger units could take more of the new currency, to balance it. Lose half your army? Choose to bring back a hero, or choose 3 units of chaff

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

I think you should lose your movement when you use Raise Dead.

[@CptRusky69]

@@HiddenEvilStudios being able to recruit quick and keep moving is one of the major strengths of raise dead. Do you feel it's too strong with instant recruitment?

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

@@CptRusky69 Kind of. Instant recruitment is fine, but I think you should lose your movement when you use it, similar to digging for treasure as Coast. Being able to attack instantly with a fresh new stack of troops sucks when there's no real counter-play.

[@CptRusky69]

@@HiddenEvilStudios I'd prefer a different way to limit it. WoC has instant recruitment now, too, but it's definitely not as good as raise dead. Maybe limit it to a certain number of units per army per turn? Or lower raise dead caps? Or make it more expensive?

[@valendrien6517]

Blood Knights on foot please for Vampires!!! Also I would enjoy seeing a Vampire mechanic to convert enemy lords into Vampires.

[@tonyottoway8648]

The radius mod puts them on foot. I wish they did that for alot of factions , like the elfs.

[@Sven2andahalf]

Let me bring back fallen enemies. Please! Whether it be as vampires or necromanced undead.

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

I'd like to see a system of sea raiding for Norsca, Vampire Coast and Dark Elves that works similar to caravans. Have a special 'Raid Captain' type lord and better rewards the further you voyage, but also the riskier the journey (other sea races, those pirate rogue armies, even sea monsters). You get a new unit each time you complete a raid and pick up flotsam/supplies/castaway units/heroes along the way. And a big battle at the end destination of course. A nice way to fight different races whilst focusing on your campaign objectives closer to home. Could also be a random hazard for the players who play other races with coastal settlements.

[@brightestlight9462]

This is absolutely ingenious

[@ian2372]

Norsca hasn't got any love since they released. Beastmen could use some more content too. Also, the Red Duke already has an intro movie, make his faction playable. Easy win there.

[@saetchs]

"They also have the books of Nagash." My boy Zerk here is so bored of VCounts that he didn't even bother to check any lord besides Mannfred. I feel you

[@kommentier9884]

The books of Nagash are such an underwhelming faction mechanic for Vcounts, it might as well not exist

[@karmamell2532]

making a WH 3 "Updates needed" video without Brettonia sounds like Heresy to me... They didn't get a single update since their release in WH1 (except Repanse, which is literally 1 Legendary Lord without any Units)

[@LeVeLs404]

Exactly, and let’s face it popularity is not an factor here, cause the ogres are one of the least played factions but still they are a warhammer 3 faction and get a dlc spot next, bretonia is barebones with everything, generic lords small roster no faction ability it’s just wasted potential

[@piratekingluffy376]

@@LeVeLs404Bretonnia needs a rework like the dwarfs and empire got. They need a good war machine or artillery piece to perfect the roster. I don’t know what units they have from GW but it’d be cool if they could just make custom units.

[@giantnerd14]

My list starts and ends with Sartosa. It was always weird to put Arranessa in with the VC, seeing as she sailed against them in Dreadfleet. I have no idea how to fix it, but I'd love if she got rolled into a Dogs if War dlc. Maybe they could replace her with a different LL in VC and just completely transplant Sartosa back to the land of the living.

[@newnamesameperson397]

Chaos always needs it because playing undivided is so much fun with all those units

[@JamesMacGeee]

Brettonia not being on this list is actually mad to me

[@LeVeLs404]

Thanks, I know they are not that popular but dang they need some updates, they are still a warhammer 1 faction in a world full of warhammer 3 factions with not even one proper dlc lord … and imo popularity is not a factor here, cause let’s face it ogres are not that popular either but still they will be in the next big dlc with khorne and Orks

[@Compa_Doom]

Slaanesh needs a lot of love. it's so weird from the GW side they put such high value on mobility and think that's all you need.

[@basariyaaciz]

My little Bretonnia... if developer brings Unmounted knight mechanic or units... It changes so many things

[@roopeankka3510]

What about the french?

[@Optimusprime240]

Norsca. The moment I saw the video I thought what im sure we all were thinking! NORSCA NEEDS SOME LOVE!!!!

[@LeVeLs404]

I don’t like norsca, when I wanna be bad then I go the whole 9 yards and play some proper bad Guys of chaos, but still im 100% with you that they need an update we all know that they are still an warhammer 1 race, just like bretonia, they need some updates desperately

[@hounddogzepp]

Tomb kings should operate similarly to Chorfs where they have dedicated chaffe in the form of skeletons and then uber elite units in the form of constructs.

[@shadow_king12344]

reupload?

[@kanekaiser63]

Looked through the video. It is

[@MattBauer-m7n]

yeah, for sure

[@stevenallan7945]

I thought I was going insane 😅😂

[@detorrV2]

You can stack a few good bonuses on ushabties with the dedicated dynasty king and icon. But the ideal way would be adding Sehenesmeth as a LL giving him extra receuit and bonus fir constructs. Ushabti with great weapons could also be a thing. I hope they dont add that horrible bone dragon, tho.

[@OlaftheFlashy]

Interesting you mentioned Norsca could do with heavy cavalry - as it happens Warhammer Old World apparently is about to give them have shock cavalry option for the "Norsca Sea Wolves" army of Infamy list in the Chaos Warriors Arcane Journal book. Apparently they're going to be call Hascarls. Personal I think Huscarls would be a better name for heavy infantry. But said I suppose the historic Huscarls did travel on horseback though seldom fought horseback.

[@mrp7874]

Definitely Bretonnia, they're my favourite faction but pretty much untouched since wh1 repanse aside, infact, they had a feature removed in 3. The minor settlement walls namely.

[@ydin9]

One thing Vampires and Tomb boys both need more anti-air options and buffs to those outside of just magic.

[@matheusmterra]

One mechanic I would LOVE for the Vampire Counts to really sell the Necromancy theme would be either or both: 1- Each army gets 5-10 extra units slots, but you can only recruit Zombies for those slots, the basic zombie chaff. 2- A death count like mechanic similar to Tomb Kings or Dark Elves; once you kill enough enemies you get to raise the dead to bolster your army. Other than that, as far as campaign mechanics go, more focus in the raising dead mechanic to recruit large armies for free or very cheap, and a greater focus on the mechanic of vampire corruption.

[@liamcullen3035]

Tomb Kings could use a mechanic like the Beastmen get, where they can spend a resource to increase their unit caps.

[@generaldreagonlps6889]

The factions that need it most for me would be lizardmen, tomb kings, norsca, and bretonnia. There are a few others that could use some work but that's mostly because they are a bit bland right now but overall they still work fine.

[@LeVeLs404]

3 out of 4 of your picks are from warhammer 1 and you are 100% about it they are starving in warhammer 3 they need some love and updates

[@someguy1ification]

So, what I want to see changed about N'Kari is that their vassals need to favor and spread Slaanesh corruption like Azazel's do. Every time I play as them (it?), I Dominate Alarielle (don't you judge me!) and... She immediately sits on her provinces and does nothing for the rest of the game because they're getting eaten alive by Slaanesh corruption. And then my vassals spend themselves into bankruptcy for some reason. Armies that they can't afford. It makes the system pointless. ... Also, the relations bonuses for having high Seductive Influence don't seem to apply to N'Kari's own faction. You know, the +80 relations at max SI towards daemons of chaos and norsca and stuff. Not towards N'Kari though. I bet its his own faction effect of +20 relations overwriting it.

[@novarat4089]

i love tomb kings but ushabti are so dissapointing. imo the tier 3 building should give 2 ushabti and one greatbow, and they need a serious buff as well as theyre only marginally better than tomb guard

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Would like to see Ushabti with Great Weapons.

[@Manpigeon]

I dont even think they are better than Tomb Guard tbh. Tomb Guard can hold a location much better and seemingly have much better defense.

[@Pringer-X]

I would really like a Vampire Coast (don't mean Counts) update. They haven't been touched since they were released.

[@avvc21]

Its insane that the vampire counts have no teir 3 infantry yet the vampire coast do. Like the vampire coast get a better version of everthing the counts get except cavalry and then also get artillery and strong missle units. The counts definitely should get tier 3 infantry at the least in an update

[@LeVeLs404]

Yeah warhammer 1 faction vs. Warhammer 2 faction, you can tell so easily from which time period they are coming

[@martinbudinsky8912]

My first choice? Vampire counts. Second? Norsca. Third Tomb Kings. Fourth would be Ogre Kingdoms. And fifth wold be Vampire Coast.

[@JarmamStuff]

Norsca's infantry is fine until t3 but the lack of anything beyond marauder chiefs is pretty painful. You are almost forced into monsterstacks past turn 40. Getting some huscarls and shieldmaidens wouldn't hurt. They can't get things on the level with Chosen ofc, but the gap is pretty oof for poor Norsca

[@TheYannir]

A big issue with Slaanesh is not having any good way to deal with flying units. A Thunderbarge against Slaanesh is basically an "I win"-sort of situation.

[@official_kden]

Caster with pavane of slaneesh and rampage them. They come down into melee and get shredded

[@Smokey348]

harpies easy xD. Yeah they don't have anything to properly deal with flyers

[@TheYannir]

@@official_kden Thunderbarges can't land.

[@official_kden]

@@TheYannir well, you learn something new everyday i guess lol. Mass marauder horsemen it is then 😅

[@Manpigeon]

I havnt played Slaanesh itself but I did play Sigvald. My biggest problems in general were usually against large units or flyers. I always felt like Marauder Horseman were bad too. Feels like they never hit anything.

[@ForrestFox]

Vampire Counts need: Walach Harkon (LL, ruling from the castle Blood Keep). A new mechanic to send out vampire nobilities, escorted by knights (kind of like caravans), to visit neighbouring factions and set up vampire covens to gain benefits (Spy on armies, leech gold, subdue and charm leaders to boost relationship, boost trade, recruit heroes by giving the kiss. Etc) Last missing units and named characters.

[@EveloGrave]

Norsca, Bretonnia, Vampire Count, Lizardmen, Vampire Coast.

[@zedetective]

Coast, Counts, Kings, Norsca, Bretonnia

[@jamesbreeden4554]

Brettonia is in such a rough state you forgot to mention them. That or you think that the only faction in the game that only has 1 way to build an army is in a good state.

[@lewishorsman2219]

Lizard men need faction specific mechanics. Gor-rok gets massive buffs when all of the lizard men lands are under lizard control. Tehenuien gets buffs for each skaven faction destroyed. Kroq-Gar gets massive buffs when he hunts down chaos factions.

[@thegametroll6264]

Norsca could really use an update by now. It hasn't had one since that taste of one it had since the start of warhammer 3 which did fix a lot of the combat but in my honest opinion norsca could use at least as many lords as the beastmen and at least one legendary hero.

[@chimbambu]

You know Zerk has been out of the loop when you hear the Bloodwrack Medusa being called useless. That thing was one of, if not the strongest SEMs in the game for a couple of months. Now it's finally balanced properly and doesn't delete everything with its laser beams.

[@ithiusdomino]

You go by Vampire Counts pretty quick, one thing I want to wishlist on them. A Warriors of Chaos style DLC. A lord for each "Faction" type of Vampire: I.E. Lahmian (neferata, make her a vampire count version of Arkhan so she is a vamp faction but can use some tomb king units and makes use of a spy influence network) Ushoran (Strigoi) or Vorag (Strigoi but as a horde mechanic with Vorag acting like a taurox esk character) We have plenty of Von Carsteins, we don't need more. I love Vlad Abhorash (Necrarch's. Give him a books of Nagash equiv but gaining access to strong spells like Gelt in acquiring them) The Red Duke (Blood Dragons. He's literally already in the game and has been since TW: War 1. Give him some Bretonnian units but "spooky" to reflect that he's a bretonnian and he's done maybe put in some type of chivalry equiv mechanic but more evil...maybe too much work, they could literally just make the red duke a LL you can use and I'd be fucking happy )

[@Mandalore9999]

If we're talking about factions without updates since their release it should've been bretonnia on the first place instead of tomb kings TKs definitely could use an update but brets missing from such a list is absolute bonkers

[@LeVeLs404]

Exactly, cause let’s be honest to proper update the warhammer 1 factions first should be the most important move right now, bretonia I love to play, but norsca and vampire counts need some updates for the warhammer 3 time

[@JJ-hp7mb]

I think it's a huge plus for the Tomb Kings to have strict limitations on the number of same-type units. That means you have to make armies with different flavors and not just spam two types of units for all armies.

[@JJ-hp7mb]

If anything, all fractions should have some mechanics to avoid spamming certain units.

[@Manpigeon]

While thats true on some level the opposite is true and makes it monotonous. Because of how the TKs function ALL your armies end up looking roughly the same. A mixed bag of units because thats all you can get. Many of them are trash too so it feels like the lord's experience point investments dont mean much

[@JJ-hp7mb]

@@Manpigeon I disagree. You can field armies specializing in specific strategies. If you say that some units are trash, I would respond that either you're not using them optimally or - if they are indeed trash - the problem is them being trash and not the unit limits.

[@ГлебХабаров-ж7о]

Mannfred is the only VC, who seeks out Books of Nagash, others don't even have that. Blood Kisses are useless after you have awoken all bloodlines (Empire had this problem with one of their global resources but it was reworked so it CAN be fixed). Lords, other than Ghorst, don't have any roster preferences and all play just the same (and Ghorst's preference is dull as a grave, honestly). What I see as a good idea - 5 factions, 1 for each bloodline - spread far away from each other and with differently flavored mechanics and different lords - maybe a slightly redone versions of bloodlines (which, as a mechanic, will have to go, though, the idea of farming blood kisses to recruit lords could do) Lahmians would be heavily into diplomacy and stealth - something in between Skaven, High Elves and Slaanesh. Necrarchs look good with a unit modifications - clan Moulder or Skryer comes to mind. They are also magic heavy, so maybe 2 or 3 types of lords with differently mixed schools. Von Carsteins are starting as part of the Empire, basically - so let them have some perverted parody of Empire's mechanics - after all, don't they dub elector count swords ''fangs'' for some reason? Could also give them Drycha's beast roster, why not - lore accurate and could be a nice flavor. Totally lost on Strigoi, honestly - a horde faction, maybe? No vampire heroes, less armor, yet more physical res and more speed? Maybe scouring the world for some old places and/or relics? Something along the lines of Belegar could also do - like, find themselves a home to have a shot at new kingdom. With an option to skip it and go on as a horde for the rest of the game. Blood Dragons - infantry and cav specialties, less monsters and magic, mighty lords. Stat bonuses for army for each faction at war with, legendary heroes recruiting quests. Maybe something about feeding on the dragon's blood - campaign in Cathay or Ulthuan, perhaps?

[@michasokoowski6651]

The only rework tomb kings need is to just have the same system of raising unit caps as chaos dwarfes or beastmen. Thats it... and maybe some unit stat updates As to black arks... give Loki his own blackark!

[@lordvank3739]

So, vampire counts and tomb king player here. They do need an update and my suggestion is a new endgame senerio. Both factions and the vampire coast are all tied together by nagash. Which does rise in the age of sigmar. Say 50-100 turns in all vampire or tomb king factions are forced to make a choice. Get a massive morale debuff for 20 turns or get annexed “or forced into some type of alliance” by nagash. Nagash himself massively buffing undead armies under his control. Could be a neat endtimes bit. Alternatively you could make it so vampire counts/ coast can raise the fallen units from other armies they’ve fought rather than their own. And let the tomb kings actually use the lore of vampires magic.

[@kostadinpantev]

I only ever completed one campaign in TW Warhammer 2 and it was with Norsca. I quite liked the finances mechanics that force you to be aggressive and fight, fight, fight. Towards the end of the campaign I was not lacking in money while loosing throusands of gold per turn. There is just a sense of financial peril and adventure in it.

[@MajorFletch]

I feel Cathay could use a Lu Bu themed legendary hero. It would be such a missed opportunity.

[@LeVeLs404]

Yeah Cathay is cool, and it would be amazing if they would expand the eastern parts more with factions and other things but right now I would prefer to update especially the warhammer 1 factions that were totally left out of the big update circles like bretonia and norsca, they are starving against those warhammer 3 factions and dlc lords

[@thechangeling3851]

Tbh I definitely want to see a champions of chaos like dlc for undead as a whole maybe making some shared mechanics (maybe having a reworked necromancy mechanics similar to that one mod) Have it introduce nagash as his own faction with unique mechanics, but have him sort of be similar to the demon prince in that he takes a bit from all the other undead (with maybe some special things/ror) Vampire coast I think could maybe use a legendary lord that could be based in Cathay/the seas of ind...maybe the faction having artifacts they can plunder from all the major factions unlocking new units, buffs, or abilities. Tomb kings: I think could use a mechanic similar to the grudge system of dwarves that encourages them to travel across the globe not to find the books of nagash but rather artifacts stolen from their ancient empire. Maybe a new legendary lord based on that one dwarf tomb king in the gotrek and Felix book for the lols. Vampire counts as a whole though need to be reworked to deal with some "messy" elements as well as definitely more expansion into the various bloodlines with legendary lords and heros. Honestly, hot take...take nagash and just have them be the faction of "necromancers" and make it have benifits of vassalising other undead factions. Move kemmler and ghorst into it as well as maybe reintroduce count dracanfels to give that faction 4 lords with maybe the special ability to raise more undead lords from other factions bound under their dark magic and services. Ultimately, I think tomb kings should have 5 to 6 lords Vampire coast 5 to 6 Vampire counts: 7 to 8 ish : vlad & Isabella, Manfred, aborash, nefferata,melkior, ushoran, and maybe a Cathay Vampire count. Undead legions 4 to 5: kemmler, draconfels, ghorst, nagash, and maybe one more...but I have no idea what.

[@colossusslayer1234]

Brett, Counts, and Norsca are easily the most desperately needy right now, with Ogres just barely behind them. In the long run though, DE, Lizards, Coast could all use reworks to.

[@LeVeLs404]

Warhammer 1 factions, yes they starving over here, ogres im not realy convinced by, they are a warhammer 3 faction after all, and I can tell that they are when I play them, but vampires bretonia and norsca are so dull in their mechanics and play style it is so painfully obvious that they are old factions

[@alexcatboat2187]

It wasn't construct only, but I did have a great time with Tim King's recently, scorpions can break up their lines and cause complete disorder while you destroy them with ranged fire.

[@chillstep4life]

Yes plz improve the slave mechanic. It could be so much more interesting and rewarding if don right. Also other factions could use the slave mechanic like demon factions or ogres.

[@TheNightkunai]

Slaanesh primarily needs army replenishment in the forms of hero abilities or lord blue line skills. The tech (which is only +6%) also need to be available at the start, not nested deep behind a building requirement. Medusa do actually wreck infantry nowadays with the new missile targeting, not too dissimilar from new magic missile targeting. But the stunlocking is a little unfortunate.

[@Bio-Hazard.MP4]

I might not play the elves very much, but I feel all of them need something especially the high elves

[@LeVeLs404]

They need one that’s true, cause I don’t know in nearly every campaign I play they are gone at round 100 morathi just steam rolls them, the whole high elves dark elves conflict is so wasted here, cause most of the times none of the dark elves from the north attacking the island it’s just morathi alone against all of them

[@tstimbo3471]

The god emperor himself has a better chance of getting up from his chair than Norsca does of getting dlc

[@thecombativemedic521]

I think what vampires/tomb kings/vampire coast really needs is to have a system kind of like the seduction system, but it turns enemy units into undead and they can only use it after an enemy army is defeated. Picture a skeletal Dread Saurus stomping around... Letting them steal units but only after they kill them is both thematic and gives them a power boost that makes the campaign more meaningful.

[@atomic9706]

CA could probably add the huscarls from the warriors of chaos arcane journal for the old world to the Norscan roster. While not full on heavy cavalry they do have heavier armor and that could obviously be increased specifically for the videogame.

[@patximartel]

I think a sea raiding stance for Dark Elves, Norsca, Vampire Coast and maybe Dwarfs would be kinda good.

[@OrdigTroll]

My list shortlist is Vampire Coast, Bretonnia, Dark Elves, Slaanesh, and Tomb Kings. I'd also like to see some core-system reworks on Lizardmen, but I don't necessarily think they need a DLC, just an update to things like the Geomantic web

[@ShadowRaven779]

Im glad you made this video. When I saw that the Empire got yet even more units added in the latest DLC i was thinking do they really need more? Tons more factions could use some new additions!

[@wolfianius6037]

I think Bretonnia belongs on this list. You can ignore the peasant cap mechanic, the thing with "chivalry system" is also something one could ignore and the only thing you do with your armies is to get the better cavallry until you reach the Hypogriffin riders. The whole "vows" system is nice and all, except the second one (if you play Loen or the Fae), where you either have to become lucky to fullfill it, or send your Lord on a world journey. And at Last, yes I now they are all about cav, but it would be nice, if there were at least some kind of Infantry Units wich aren't completly obsolete after turn 50, or needing to spam an insane amount of max lvl armoury bulding to give them a fighting chance. Also, a thing that made them kinda special, with beeing able to have walls at a smaller settlement through a maxed garrision building, also got removed. And the whole "annexation research" is useless, because even if you rush it, all bretonnian factions without a legendary lord, are dead already (I have never seen one survive past turn 10). I could go on, but thats already a wall of text and more than enough to make point. :)

[@Slimythewolf]

Title: 5 factions MOST needing an update 2nd Faction: "Yeah their army is doing fine, not really needing an update" Why are they on this list then?

[@creldest]

Their army is fine, their campaign mechanics are not. I don’t know if Vlad even has a mechanic besides blood kiss.

[@comical4609]

More like "1 out these 4 factions needs an update, the others are actually in a pretty cool spot"

[@MidnightBlackandVictoria]

Norscan monster hunts should all have the option to recruit the prey. Would make it alot more fun, as cross-faction monsters arent really a restriction with alot of other factions. It would be kind of cool for norscans to get a shaggoth, or a frost hydra to really customize an army. And I think your going to like the Slaanesh character I suspect they will add. Dechala the denied one. She has really cool lore, asthetic, and a "vibe" to her and will probably triple the number of Slaanesh fans if she is added. Vampires are indeed missing quite a bit, especially the Lamian stuff. I'd also like to see Ghorro's added as a cav-based beastlord before this trilogy is done. Hoping for Arbaal with the Khorne stuff, and waiting for the next DLC before I start playing again....Taking a break to play other backlog games.

[@Vakaria-plays]

Im a vampire player, and the counts do need a few things, first of all, they need something to handle dwarfs and chaos units, those two units have simply too much armor and defense or damage to that the vampire counts can handle them effectively, dawi resist your spell damage, and their many canons blows a lot of your army away, and chaos are both armoured and high damage dealer, your graveguards starts to crumble way too fast when they engage with chaos or dawi, even when you buff their stats when they fight or debuff the enemy. I like the blood kiss but it seems a bit too expensive and the mechanic of having to kill army leaders in battle or through assassination is annoying when its usually at best a 40 to 50% chance of success and that is when your banshees are at high level. Otherwise i would just like the vampire counts units like the graveguards and hexwraiths have more armour piercing and weapons strength and maybe a slightly higher melee attack.

[@andarara-c1p]

Ind and Khuresh need a racepack. Yep. Chances are slim but I keep wishing for it

[@LeVeLs404]

Nippon ind and kuresh would be amazing, throw in the monkey king and the eastern parts of the world will be amazing

[@bubbelup]

I just hope Norsca gets some Norscan Whalers for some medium range poke in the future

[@DarthEnderX]

VCounts desperately need a CoC-style Bloodlines DLC where each of the other Bloodlines gets it's own LL. Lahmian - Neferata Blood Dragon - Walach Harkon Necrarch - Zacharias the Everliving Strigoi - Ushoran

[@jamesmcquillan3725]

Bretonnia need a total overhaul. Lords and Hero's are ok but faction mechanics need a shake up for fun and the peasants need significant improvement. All their infantry need buffing and one or two new units would be nice.

[@LeVeLs404]

That’s exactly what they need, but imo the lords are generic at best, they can’t hold a candle against other even generic lords of other factions, the lady and repanse are my favorites to play but come on even and generic high elves life wizard has more going on is more fleshed out in its skill tree than the lady

[@jamesmcquillan3725]

@@LeVeLs404 yeah true enough, definitely a valid point. Perhaps a spell caster with a varied mix would also help, some from life, some from heavens and some from metal?

[@jamesmcquillan3725]

@TE.X.T-ME-Zerkovich it's amazing! Absolutely chuffed it's on their project list 🎉. Also thank you for your content, greatly appreciated 🙌😁

[@brightestlight9462]

They need foot knights, unit entities like aspiring champions but not as strong, more for bolstering men at arms, and they need merry men/herrimaults, Robin hood esque guys that function like huntsmen except maybe they can fire while moving? Maybe not. They also need a hero that's like Robin hood esque, maybe a lord, and bertrand the brigand who is basically Robin hood, alongside bohemond beast slayer and mallobaude

[@atomicLord97]

13:00 My brother hated elves a lot too. Like legit religiously. When he passed away I did a campaign as Karl Franz, united the empire, and used it resources to fully annex and kill off all the wood, high, and dark elves. Fully annexing all their territory. For style points I did it with a hand gunners only army as early as I could field it, which made the game a cake walk especially after I upgraded to Nuln Ironsides and Steam tanks with volley guns. Damn I love the empire, gotta be #1 on my top five favorite races to play.

[@Invictus1293]

As someone who plays Slaanesh they definitely need a new unique starting location. Some more chaos v chaos perhaps. They also need to make seducing units use something other than gold because it never feels good to have to sit on your bank in case a battle pops up. The amount of disciples you get in the mid game if you’re spamming cults and marks of Slaanesh with hero’s is excessive. Slaanesh heavily relies on warriors of chaos units and needs other damage dealers or they need to fix the chariots. It’s super awkward wanting more daemon units but they flop so hard it’s better to pick chaos warriors/chosen and then add in ally units because the Slaanesh roster with certain exceptions has huge holes. Early game without chaos warriors it is actually well balanced and fun between shielded marauders/daemonettes/cav.

[@LordRegal94]

Tomb Kings were what got me into WH2 in the first place, I would love to see them get some tune ups in 3.