5 Reasons NOT To Buy A Homage Watch - Are Steinhart, Parnis, Invicta & Alpha A Waste Of Money?

Today I finally address a subject that is long overdue for discussion with Hugo Mountbatten, the famously snobby and cantankerous T-rex.
Homage watches are loved by some, loathed by elitists, and are the subject of never-ending arguments in forums. We all know the main reason they exist is that most people do not see the need or justification for spending vast amounts on luxury watches, especially when they are very rare and no longer in production.
In this video I look at the 5 reasons discourteous watch enthusiasts give not to buy them. I see if there is any truth to it and give my personal perspective.
Before you make that purchase and buy that cheeky tribute to the iconic Rolex Submariner or Omega Speedmaster, I urge you to join me to see if it is a waste of your money or just harmless fun.
Please share your opinions, experiences and recommendations in the comments section below.
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[@michaelhorn8962]

Unless you travel in a circle of other watch geeks, absolutely NOBODY is going to care, or even notice, what kind of watch you're wearing; much less even know it was an homage. How many non-watch enthusiasts could name even ONE luxury watch brand besides Rolex? How many could name even a SINGLE Rolex model? I'll bet that a great many Submariner homage owners have no idea that their watch is a copycat. They just bought it because it looks cool. And that's totally fine. For someone to sneer at anyone else for wearing an homage watch is so self-aggrandizing, it's nauseating.

[@awdphotography8846]

Amen to that, I get so many comments from non-camera people on my Fujifilm asking if it's a Leica... it's always amusing when I say no, it's like the name means more than the object :))

[@samuelstrachan2726]

Ya, I think "watch guys" forget that no one but them knows what any Rolex watches look like. Everyone has heard of them, but they will only think you own one if they see Rolex written on it

[@voiceofexperience]

I used to think that you could pick a fake Sub because it didn't have a Cyclops! (Hey, at least I knew what a Submariner looked like... kind of...😁).

[@CptnWinkee]

Michael Horn So the moral of the story is buy what you like. Whatever that is or what Michael Horn thinks of it. As long as it makes YOU happy. Who gives a fuck what anyone else thinks??

[@stephenreynolds6378]

But here you sit watching the video?

[@davidhoover3347]

I think something like a Submariner is so iconic that buying an homage is analogous to buying a print of something like "Starry Night". For some amount of money you could get the original painting, but for a very large majority of people that's just never going to be something they can or want to do. A lot of people really enjoy the design itself though and own prints of it or other recreations that are faithful to the original. As long as you're not pretending it's the original van Gogh, but actually just an expression of your love for a classic design then I think it's great.

[@rekk2109]

That explanation just shooked my world. You are so right.

[@georgioschasiotis3390]

Greatest analogy

[@Assureddominance]

Well said my friend, well said.

[@Timoteusmusik]

schöne analogie!

[@WhatIsItReallyAbout]

I love watches and it's definitely within my means to have perhaps a Rolex or Omega. But what gives me even more enjoyment is to spend my money on the happiness of my family. So if it's a choice between me watching my daughter at the local dance school with a Rolex on my wrist, and my daughter going to the Royal Ballet School in Richmond while I wear a Parnis...... Parnis wins every time.

[@lordbogus6709]

While still enjoying a watch!

[@Cinestudi0]

Priorities

[@rangersmith4652]

Absolutely! It's a matter of opportunity cost. Look at all the things one can buy for the difference in price between a Rolex and a Citizen.

[@0525ohhwell]

At first glance, I saw a slightly different word than "Parnis"...

[@Dwahada]

Obviously you have something money can’t buy and most men are struggling to find a woman who’s not materialistic or attention seeking and big into social media who can actually make you happy and help raise your children correct, as a young man that’s what we can’t find in my generation that’s got to be worth more than any watch

[@leereyno]

"No one is going to take you seriously." -- My watches are for me, not for other people.

[@thethirdman225]

I think that’s an overrated issue. Nobody has ever judged me on my watch. Most people don’t give a rats.

[@johnluke5478]

Yeah I prefer my Pagani PD 1664 for 100$ instead of 25 000$ Rolex and I don't give a f... how it looks, for me it's Pagani not Rolex.

[@noname-bt9ky]

I think only steinhart is good

[@nullw8768]

@@johnluke5478 But do you have the $25,000 Rolex?

[@bisondacierr]

@@johnluke5478 I think it would be a valid argument if it was working correctly. It's a turd (have on at the wrist atm). Looks great though. I would tend to Steinhart too.

[@lamarlove9661]

The Best watches Are the ones U like and can afford!!

[@theurbangentry]

I could not agree more, this is perhaps the most important thing one can take away from my channel and I am so happy you agree, thank you! Best regards, TGV

[@elliotschwartz9774]

I agree.....its homage watches that have made me a collector....If I bought a Rolex or Omega,it would be the ONLY watch I could afford to own .....My favorite daily wear watch is a Cadisen 1032 Seiko NH36 movement sapphire crystal and about $55 dollars American.....how can you go wrong

[@lordbogus6709]

'the best watch is the one YOU are wearing'

[@SacreDro]

Totally agree.

[@Jorj57]

always has been mate

[@deannoble673]

If I see someone wearing a Rolex I invariably imagine that it’s been bought as a status symbol. Which is perfectly fine btw. If I see someone wearing a Steinhart I think ah.......must be a watch enthusiast. Who else but an enthusiast would go to the trouble of discovering Steinhart and acquiring one. Or indeed any other good quality so called homage watch.

[@michaelhorn8962]

Good point!

[@AldermanFredCDavis]

I like the way you think. Somewhat similar to that saying about Grand Seiko. "You buy a Rolex to impress other people. You buy a Grand Seiko to impress yourself."

[@dmkappa62]

Well said that’s a great way to look at it

[@mrsalseroso]

I have myself an stainhart Ocean premium blue I really like it

[@thepilotist7297]

I somewhat agree with you. I’m a Rolex fan, and have a couple, but I don’t like them because they might impress people. I think gold and diamond watches do that more. I appreciate the history of the brand and the heritage of particular pieces. I am a genuine enthusiast and I love me a good longines or Oris.

[@rpman4787]

One of the best things I've ever heard. "What other people think of me is none of my business."

[@CarlosGarcia-ye1rz]

RPMan thanks for sharing, I’ll keep this one in mind

[@TheRunningManZ]

Lorenzo he doesn’t talk people out of buying homage watches. He takes 5 points from forums and debunks them. At the end of the vid he says “perhaps there is a reason not to buy homage watches, but I can’t think of one.”

[@garrisong]

That’s the greatest quote I’ve ever heard!

[@maitrehg]

I don’t judge people who buy homages. I bought several myself. Now, I know it's not for me. But in the end of the day, what really matters is wearing the watch we love, no matter what others are thinking of it.

[@julianmorales-silva160]

The best watch is the one on your wrist right?

[@bluemystic7501]

@@julianmorales-silva160 Nope.

[@WatchUnwind]

well said

[@cy894]

Very true for me

[@leereyno]

"Be tolerant with others, and strict with yourself." -- Can't argue with Marcus!

[@rapfan-ql1kk]

I own a Rolex, Tudor and brietling, but my everyday watch and actual dive watch is a STEINHART. Been wearing this watch for 8yrs and dive at least twice a month with this watch. It's been bullet proof for me, maybe I just got lucky, but don't think so. Great watch, great customer service, will be buying another FOR SURE.

[@guyvanburen]

Steinhart’s 1000m and 500m divers with 2824 and 2892 movements respectively for just ~$500 is incredible. Fashion brands such as Rolex are just that.

[@Wick3dKiwi2015]

Which watch size would you recommend for diving? 39 mm or 42 mm

[@kencur9690]

And that's why you can afford a Rolex, Tudor and Breitling: cause you're not a friggin idiot! Unless you poop gold bars, you really shouldn't be diving in a Rolex. I could slave off for a while and buy me that one, but I want a diver to take to the beach, and I realise I cannot really afford to take a Rolex there. Just because you can save up for the sum price of an object doesn't mean you really can afford it. Many people forget that.

[@yz249]

@@Wick3dKiwi2015 whatever fits better.

[@dicer4027]

I own rolexes , omegas mostly and I’m craving big time for a steinhart!

[@njamajones4121]

It's something that some people can't accept a homage. There are 2 specific watches I'd love have but due to my job not paying me Rolex or Omega paychecks I look at what's realistic for me. I have no problem wearing a watch that resembles either of those brands, because at the end of the day, it isn't about saving for a 6000+ $ watch, it's about saving for me and my family.

[@clo2715]

Njama Jones your better off not buying any of those brands and getting more for your money. There's other watches out there that are just as good at half the price or even more. Some of these watches your paying a couple thousand dollars extra just for the name on the dial.

[@isipbatamobrogang5440]

So true. I make rolex and omega paycheck but choose to save it i like watches and appreciate the craftsmanship but at the end of the day a watch is a watch

[@bruce000000070000000]

Njama Jones I don’t understand why getting something similar when you know it isn’t the same, when you could buy something that is cheaper but ya it’s own personality

[@patrickmacleod2415]

It's simple, but your snobbery blinds you to it. People get those watches because they like that style. It's as simple as that. They could get something different but that wouldn't be the style they like. They like they style but they either can't afford (and never will be able to) or are mature and smart enough to realize spending luxury watch money is a wasteful extravagance that could be put to better uses. Look- I own a Rolex and a couple of Omegas, but I can understand why someone would buy a homage.

[@Psilocybe3]

A very good video with great thoughts shared. Thank you sir.

[@gameroftheyear1000]

This guy is someone where the saying “Don’t judge a book by its cover” comes into play because while he would at first glance seem like a watch snob, watching his videos and seeing how humble he is and how he can see the joy and fun of getting into the watch game just make the videos all the more enjoyable and I can’t stop myself from watching. Truly extravagant that how that one characteristic can make or break his videos. I love em’!

[@darthgiggity7948]

Exactly why I subscribed to this gentleman. He presents his perspective courteously. He is really wants people to be interested in the wonderful world of horology and it shows with his open-mindedness.

[@MakerInMotion]

Very accurate. TGV could be sipping rice tea while reading a leather bound Jules Verne novel with Italian opera playing in the background and on his wrist.....a $25 Casio. All gentleman, zero snobbery.

[@paulkoller8104]

It you think watch snobs are bad, don't start drinking fine wine.

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

What's wrong with wine ?

[@Gasta1983]

@@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски not wine, but wine snobs he means, they are worse than watch snobs

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

@@Gasta1983 Ah. Thx. I think I see how they could be worse, considering the way wine is at times presented - as a refined drink for connoisseurs. A snob there would certainly be (even more) annoying. Well, there are snobs for every thing under the sun, right ?

[@Nyce2Everyone]

Христо Мартунков, граф Лозенски yes there are my friend, yes there are, you got that right lol

[@Raiden6277]

I know what you mean. My aunt is a wine snob. She is very particular about the wine she orders from restaurants. Especially when the bottle was opened. She won't drink wine that's been opened for more than a few days.

[@anthonygalzarano8099]

With regard to watch snobs, as Oscar Wilde put it, they "know the price of everything and the value of nothing".

[@WatchUnwind]

well said

[@marianobino4932]

Great quote!

[@AliasEveWatches]

It’s admirable how you discourage watch snobbery! 👏🏼

[@diogeneslantern18]

@@user-boobs hear hear.

[@justinschmidt4692]

As someone new to watches and have financial responsibility, cost is driving what I can buy and how much. I think some watch people forget that. My friend loves his Invicta and I love my skx. Could we afford better, not now. Hopefully later. So relax people and let the people wear what they want, and you own them politness. I tell everyone the same thing. "I like your watch" and listen to the story. It more fun that way.

[@justinschmidt4692]

Ken Shearson I think people judge others quickly by what they think they know. I wear my skx because I cannot afford right now the Tudor or marathon watch I am lusting after. I real enjoy watches and I like to make the point ever so often that the choice of a cheaper watch was not ignorance but pocket book. And this is why I like the TGV, his joy for a Seiko made me get into watches.

[@davebird8332]

@YouAllJackasses fair play, thats all good for you and others, great. My current watch cost just over a months salary (no date sub, new) but i aspire to soon own the platinum day date. If all other things are taken care of - to a nice standard, i see no problem in spending what it costs to get what i want - in my humble opinion, we should all aspire to achieve what we want, it makes us perform and move forward.

[@kevinkoberg4506]

I love my black dial/ceramic bezel Steinhart Ocean One! It's absolutely gorgeous, runs extremely well, goes with everything and is tough as a tank. I was initially fascinated by the Rolex Sub but would never want to spend that kind of money on a watch, much less $600 for a service. The Ocean One allows me to enjoy the design beauty/genious of the sub without the financial wallop. At first Ithought I woud feel like a poser sporting a watch that looks so much like the sub but the reality is that I'm proud it's a Steinhart. I completely understand this perspective isn't for everyone!

[@jazzman5598]

I just bought a “Pepsi” Steinhart Ocean 39 Vintage for about $700.00 direct from Steinhart. I travel. I did not own a GMT. I LOVE watches and I particularly love “Bang for the Buck” watches.....My Alpinist, my Hamilton Kahki Automatic, my Seiko Sna411 Flighty, and some vintage watches and pocket watches that I am now giving to family. NOT my wrist watches though......dang kids will have to wait! Lol, 🤣 I love a good deal but what I really treasure is fine function. I did NOT have the money for a Rolex GMT ll and I honestly did not know my Steinhart even was an “homage” watch. After MUCH study on YT and looking at everything from $1000.00 or less. That was my budget, the watch is gorgeous. I am happy! Another very fine vid Hugo & do give my best to your huuuuuman!

[@chrissullins3]

Glycine also came out with a water resistant watch in 1953 that had numbers on a rotating bezel. It also tracked multiple time zones. Rolex did it a year later with the GMT. Both Glycine and Rolex did what others have done and build on an existing knowledge base. We could argue if James Bond had wore a Glycine, the fortunes and perceptions of these companies would be very different today.

[@climbjay]

Chris Sullins absolutely. Rolex have simply capitalised on Visual Marketing. Very handsomely. They are beautiful too but, nowhere near worth the money.

[@steveman751]

I wear an Invicta pro diver, because I don't have $6000+ laying around just to spend on a single watch. Even if I did, I would not wear a watch that expensive.

[@fbkensarhd5279]

Tbh as long as the movement is good and I can get service when something goes wrong. Homage watches are great for peasants like myself.

[@DavidMunoz-wt6lt]

I prefer my Steinhart 39 GMT Ceramic to my Omegas, Tag Heuers, and Seiko/Orients. It has the Swiss quality and precision, without the worry of an expensive watch. It currently runs at +1s/day, and even though it's an homage watch, it is still my favorite looking watch. Instead of spending $20,000 on a GMT Master II Black, I rather purchase investments or take several incredible trips with my wife while wearing an affordable homage watch AKA the Steinhart.

[@NTHWatches]

Honored to be mentioned, as always. Cheers, Tristano! - Chris Vail

[@noble3126b]

You know, I’ve had my Invicta Pro Diver 8929OB for about 4 months now, and I love it. Very high quality piece, quality finish, and a smooth reliable movement. I don’t want to have to spend an arm and a leg to get a Submariner-esque watch when I can spend $100 on an automatic dive watch that does what I need and looks the part. So homage watches have their place. There’s nothing wrong with them.

[@redletterl78]

Absolutely!

[@devincooper9666]

I have an older 8929OB from when the NH25 movement was being installed from the factory, and it keeps great time and looks consistently amazing! The blue dial changes all sorts of shades of blue and purple. Wear it in good health!

[@ednammansfield8553]

Absolutely true. I own the Invicta 8927OB and the Invicta 8928OB Pro Diver watches and they are great watches which I really enjoy wearing more than my more expensive pieces. They have a good Seiko movement which is reliable.

[@ChefPelle]

I've been a Rolex owner for 26 years. I have no problems with homages and even bought a Steinhart Ocean One Titanium as a beater a year ago. Fantastic value for money. I'd even go as far as to say that a Steinhart Premium is closer to a Tudor Black Bay than a Tudor is to a Rolex Sub. THAT pisses Tudor people off. It's still true...

[@varanid9]

I absolutely love their Ocean One Vintage.

[@tynchytemper9618]

Modern Tudor are superior to rolex in every way, if that pisses rolex wearer's off..... Tough!

[@cryogenixoldskool5803]

@@tynchytemper9618 Real Talk

[@michaelbishop9157]

it's not true but carry on !

[@tha2604]

@J H Ironically, there are fewer Steinhart and NTH owners than there are Rolex and Tudor owners. So which watch is really more exclusive?

[@jorgezayas6495]

I personally have acquired 13 steinharts in the last two years. Love them, each and every one. Well made, well built. Sit great on the wrist.

[@packisbetter90]

Same and they're by far the best fitting watches I've owned

[@davidc5191]

Supposedly Picasso also said, "Bad artists copy, great artists steal." That's because when you copy, you just duplicate something's outer form; when you steal, you take its concept.

[@ettercapny]

Homage watches, especially those made in Asia are great alternative for less economically developed countries. For many getting even a Ginault or Steinhart is an achievement like a Royal Oak or Explorer is for us, and i think we should as a community understand that differences. Also we should not forget that even in cheapest watches there was point in time when somebody took his own effort to put a heart and soul into those gears and made them running. The world does not end on Rolex. :)

[@dylanreyes-cairo4774]

I recently purchased various Orient diver watches for my 3 sons and myself, as well as a Stührling skeleton watch for my daughter. The Stuhrling has less history but it's more of a fashion thing for her, she loves it. My boys and I all love our Makos, Rays and Kamasus. Since I purchased them, at least three of them have doubled in price, as I tried to buy the more unique colors and configurations. We're very happy with our homage watches. Glad I Watched!

[@BraydenMowery]

I love my Invicta pro diver 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@luisespinozareyes1123]

Peasant

[@ChaseRapoport11]

@@luisespinozareyes1123 if he is a peasant you are snob

[@ChaseRapoport11]

@@luisespinozareyes1123 The Urban Gentry is about respect, why are you even here???

[@Clear256]

@@luisespinozareyes1123 Snob be gone

[@lordbogus6709]

please wear it on a leather strap to piss off even more watchsnobs😂

[@chriswatkins4993]

Just wanted to thank you. You are such a wealth of watch information and do it with no snobbery in this hobby. Fell in love with watches after purchasing my Tissot T-Race and so many I would love to own but as a working family man with limited means, for the most part, homage watches are what is within my means and I appreciate you making people like myself proud of that and not feeling less than...thank you so much. Fan and subscriber for life.

[@fatherscottalbergate]

Bravo TGV! This is one of my favorite of your videos. I decided to have a look as I contemplate purchasing a Steinhart pepsi. I’m a well-educated medical professional who chose a public health career. Of course this doesn’t match up well to my Rolex ambitions! But your kind words give a sense of nobility to those of us who love horology but reject the snobbery. Your words are wise and speak to your obviouslu strong moral fiber. Cheers!

[@robkay278]

Steinhart IS the real deal! Just more affordable, my bronze diver steiny is gorgeous,the quality is amazing almost Rolex like!

[@waterhead1029]

Reading these comments makes me happy I discovered Steinhart today.

[@davidheins5559]

I currently own two Steinhart watches one Christopher Ward and an Omega you may have guessed the watch I wear the most ! Steinhardt cleans cars ,does gardening, drinks beer and walks dogs ! Omega for sale to buy more Steinharts😎

[@davidcoleman2463]

I have a Steinhart Ocean one 39 and love it . Not a cheap watch at all .

[@Huwberts_Emporium]

Another quality upload TGV, my first automatic watch was the Invicta Pro Diver, I lusted after a Submariner after wearing my friends but like many couldn't justify the price tag. I have absolutely no regrets as my research into the NH35 movement opened many doors and led me down the path I am on now, I'll soon be replacing it with a Glycine Combat Sub. I'd wear an invicta, alpha or parnis any day over the likes of Emporio Armani, DW, MVMT, Michael Kors etc

[@goldtoothjacko]

T, Great video. Most important words - "Who cares what other people think?". We should all wear what we like nothing more and nothing less. Best as always.

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you brother! Onwards and upwards. Best regards, TGV

[@AnonNotAnonymous]

I’ve always really liked watches growing up, but this channel has really helped open my mind and interest into the history of the companies and specifics watches. I’m not a collector, but I know I want to start and I’m glad I came across these videos. Hoping to get an Omega, Breitling, or maybe a Tudor in the next few years.

[@blacksheep6888]

I own the exact Invicta pro diver it's an excellent watch and I have no complaints with it, I use it as a beater watch for when I don't want to damage one of my Seiko watches. At the end of the day as long as the watch has a reliable movement and it makes you smile when you look at it then that's all it needs to do, the Invicta has a Seiko movement and I am a Seiko nut, have been from a teenager, I am now 49 so I would rather have an Invicta pro diver than a Rolex because I can afford to buy a new motorcycle instead, and that's exactly what I did, and my Kawasaki W800 turns more heads than a Rolex. Great video glad to see and hear common sense.

[@marcanthonystorm]

I’ve actually bought several watches over the past month because I started watching your channel reviews. I picked up 3 Steinhart’s and the Seiko Tuna Arnie. Thank you 🙏🏻.

[@cjcar63]

Well said. I own a Steinhart Ocean One 39. My grail watch would be a Rolex Submariner of course. But at the prices I've seen lately, even a used Sub is a bit out of my budget. Now looking looking at what you get with a Steinhart, anyone who does their homework would be hard pressed to find a greater value for their money. About the only watch I would consider to be of equal value in terms of money spent would be the Oris Aquis. For me, this piece would be the high end of what I could afford. The only thing that has prevented me from planning on buying it is that Oris has decided to go with the larger 43mm case, (hence my 39mm Steinhart). I feel, as does TGV does, that the watch community is a very diverse group of people all linked together by their love of timepieces. Wear what you love and can afford. As with any "luxury" item, no one should ever place themselves or their loved ones in hock just to say I own a "enter name brand here". Cheers!

[@SharpChronofighter]

Dear T, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos. I particularly loved this one, so rich of insightful thoughts and arguments, which I do completely agree with! And the T Rex fits so well here... to put it simple, I like to think that it is not what you have or wear which defines you. But it is you the one who defines your style! Your knowledge, your manners, your personality. In the end, what you have and wear it's just a reflection of your whole being. And God knows how complex beings we are! Have and wear what you really want, accordingly with what you feel and really are, and you will never be wrong this way, being simply and truly Yourself. And give all the fake Snobs to the T Rex! Take care, e un abbraccio amico mio. Ciao. Manrico

[@theurbangentry]

Manrico!!!! Great to hear from you sir. I hope this finds you well. A truly profound, truthful and inspiring comment. You have no idea how much it pleases me to hear this. Un grande abbraccio anche a te fratello, onwards and upwards! Best regards, TGV

[@mygoi715]

I love how humble you are, talking about timepieces: whether cheap or expensive, you still leave room for every watch enthuasiast. Instantly subbed to your chan.

[@robertjschroff6307]

Great subject, noble, honest, intelligent comment, love the phrase from the great human actor, Sir Anthony Hopkins, excellent choice! I have an Accurist quartz, costed about $60-70, perfect spare watch, however my favourite watches are the IWC’s Breitlings and Rolexes, as I tried them on all, and I have felt, and seen the stunning quality of them. This quality is coming from an extra level of care, from the quality of the components, and the consious, highly talented and skilled human work, the kraftmanship on them! For me that is the most important think in the whole story! The human effort, the precision, the reliability, the level of the talent and skill, knowledge and intelligence and work! The market is huge and very divided in the therm of requirements and offerings. I think, that basically there is nothing to worry about, eventhough! That is wonderful, how many ways are there to achieve basically the same goal, as finally everyone can find what they want and can afford and become satisfied - for shorter or longer term, but definitely just for one fragile lifetime. :) Anyways. I love watches, like you, guys. Thanks for the great great video! Hugs: Robert :)

[@tango6x192]

Great video I love how you turn the negatives into positives also I bought a Seiko sea urchin with black bezel (edit: I mean dial) to start off my collection which is a homage watch it looks similar to the Rolex submariner but I'm in love with it and one of my favourite features is it's glass back so I can see everything moving and working inside. To anyone reading this you have no idea how much happier you will be when you wear a watch your passionate about instead of a mobile phone.

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you so much for sharing that, I love the Sea Urchin, I might have to review it one day. Onwards and upwards my friend! Best regards, TGV

[@yeeeha5674]

I bought one a couple months ago too, I do love it. But... The painting on the bezel puts me off, the only kinda thing that at a glance (without looking too hard) makes it noticeably a homage watch. The paint just isn't clean, would have been cool to have an etched bezel, for maybe a £100 extra or something.

[@tango6x192]

Chris Brooks hmm I don't see an issue with the Paint but perhaps I dont have as fine of an eye as you ;)

[@matthpotte]

especially with a fifty five fathoms dial from either dagaz or yobokies....... I love mine

[@manymartinez6430]

I started my watch collection with a Casio CA-53w and then I found an original DBC-600 at a thrift shop for 5 bucks (battery was dead) that’s when I started collecting Casio digital watches. A while back I got an itch for a diver. However, I don’t have even 200 dollars to spend on a watch let alone in the thousands. So I made the biggest watch purchase and bought a Casio Duro after seeing your beater watch video. (Ironically it’s my “luxury” watch after I put a steel band) point is, I love Casios and I enjoy collecting them. And sure I’d love an Omega but I have fun collecting and fixing Casios. And more importantly I love giving away my Casios because they can bring so much joy and nostalgia, and for less than $20 you can’t beat that. So I appreciate what you said at the end of the video. If you aren’t enjoying it, then what’s the point?

[@michaelhorn8962]

Duro on steel... NICE!

[@ednammansfield8553]

I was looking at purchasing a 'Duro' but as I have a small wrist size it was too large. I did however buy a Casio MTD1053D diver which is 40mm on a stainless steel bracelet with much the same specs. Great watches and comfortable on the wrist, really love it. I like you enjoy Casio watches, they are great value for money and do the job they are supposed to.

[@imranbecks]

I'm loving my recently acquired Steinhart Ocean 39 Vintage GMT Pepsi!

[@sethmoyer5109]

Imran Becks picked up any scratches on the bezel yet? I want one, but feel like waiting til they drop a premium model with a ceramic bezel.

[@WatchUnwind]

that is a great piece you should be proud

[@jd88gtr19]

Nobody is addressing the fact that homage watches often have the best specifications in their price range? Its not about fooling someone or trying to pretend. Getting a seiko movement, sapphire crystal, 120 click ceramic bezel, AR coating, C3Loom AND tudor/rolex styling is just a bonus for $200. Bargain hunting is fun lol.

[@waldenswonderfulworldofwat3129]

Great video. I have personally dealt with people who are watch snobs and can’t look past the minor details. I appreciate that you have addressed the topic and have shown that not all homages are bad.

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you, sorry to hear you had to deal with snobs, life is full of them unfortunately. Take solace in the fact your life will be richer and more enjoyable because you are open minded ;-) Onwards and upwards. Best regards, TGV

[@thelegendkillersshittyduff1335]

The Urban Gentry also most humans are pos and only think about themselves

[@DFlemming]

Very interesting video. A good watch is a good watch, period, regardless of the brand. Its like saying all jeans are homages of Levi Strauss. So I guess a lot of people are wearing homage jeans! Just a thought. Good video. 👍🏼

[@michaelzuccardo5414]

What I've notice as of late, is that many homage watch maker's are using better quality materials than those found on some of the originals, especially with crystals, bezels, crowns, dials, etc. I found this to be true with some Seiko models. For example; Steel Diver, makes a beautiful homage of the Seiko " Captain Willard". The Seiko original Willard has a hardlex crystal and aluminum bezel insert, where as the Steel Diver, "Deep Ocean". Willard homage has an ARC sapphire crystal and ceramic lumed bezel insert, and the overall lume on the watch is very good, lasting as long or longer than some Seiko PADI's I've owned. Now I know the Seiko Willard has a higher end Seiko movement, But I thing the Seiko NH35A that is in the Steel Diver will suit me just fine, as it is an excellent movement regardless of the lower cost. So, did I spend $1000.00 USD, to get the Seiko, or $135.00 USD for the Steel Diver? Actually, I have two Steel Diver Willards, one in black and one in green, and an extra $750.00 USD, in my pocket!

[@jessicahunt7265]

I have a couple rolexes and omegas. They stay in the safe and for special occasions. The rolexes have increased in value by 40%. Steinharts use ETA 2824, 316L, ceramic bezel, great craftsmanship. Bulletproof. I have three and wear them all the time. The value vs money is lopsided to say the least. To me it’s the best for the price in any tier. When Chevy came out with the Camaro and they called it a mustang clone did that make it a bad car? A watch is a watch. What you like is what you like. Steinharts look awesome and feel great. Wish I had more.

[@DJGeorgeDisco]

I'm perfectly happy with an Invica Pro Diver. Many folks in this hobby forget that being content and happy with what you have at the moment is key for the long journey in watch collecting.

[@Jikaninja]

The problem is.....and the way how I view this whole “Homage” issue is: 1). If a company borrowed/ used/ mimicked a particular product/watch model after an original design or watch model from others. The homage version needed to be an improvement, better or given more than the original......then it is a great honoring or paying tribute to the original. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. But if the “homage” version is in anyway shape or form that worsen, less, or poorly put together with lousy craftsmanship compare to the original....then that is an absolutely insult and yes, you should not buy it. I bought a Seiko King turtle 6309 homage and not only it came with sapphire crystal, nicer polish, better Seiko movement, nicer strap, much nicer dial finish.....the most important thing---> completely perfectly aligned chapter ring and everything for less money than the original.....now for that I would not feel guilty and keep asking myself--> why would I waste my time and money with Seiko when they DONT listen to why their fan wanted for a long long time?

[@brighammmer]

That Invicta pro diver is what got a watch back on my wrist(and a modest collection, including some Lego watches) instead of using my phone for timekeeping.

[@Mikey1951ful]

First watch-related video I have seen that includes the thoughts of Marcus Aurelius. Cool.

[@theurbangentry]

His book Meditations is basically my favorite book. You must of missed my EDC Bad video but I carry it with me everywhere. Glad to hear you appreciate him too. Best regards, TGV

[@SaniyaRandhawa]

Mike L. no no no gurbanik irtan

[@anthonyfmoss]

Great comments by the way TGV. I agree wholeheartedly with each of your points. Snobbery is ghastly!

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Anthony, I could not agree more. Best regards, TGV

[@milox2215]

I ordered my Steeldive Tuna and I am happily waiting until it is delivered. As you mentioned before, do your own research before you find the right one. As homage watches were something new to me (I didn't know that something like this exists) I wanted to buy the most rational choice, based on 4 criteria. Design, technical capability, quality, and price. I am currently searching for a non-scuba watch, but this proves to be an even harder job. There is a lot of cheap good looking watches and there is a lot of overpriced branded junk. I don't want to buy a brand, I want to buy a quality watch, that ticks all 4 categories aforementioned. So far I have found Cadisen C8187 and Cadisen C8097. The problem that I have with the latter one, is that "diamond" on the top of the dial... I simply can't ignore it. For C8187, I can't find a review and a video. I am not buying a watch based on a picture or on a promo video. I want to see it on somebody's hand as the colors are rather special. If somebody knows watches that offer the same quality, please recommend them. Special hate for Timex, Orient, Lorriet, Pagani, San Martin and some other watch brands. They don't tick all 4 boxes. PS: I am currently reviewing AVI-8 and Lorus, let's see If I find my unicorn.

[@phillippugh2161]

The Invicta divers are actually very well made and run on a Seiko movement. For the price they can't be beat

[@mattcase9043]

Terrific video and a very important topic that is frequently discussed. Agree with you wholeheartedly. Hugo is quite boisterous today. I can tell someone is pretty excited for his cameo in Jurassic World.

[@theurbangentry]

Haha, Hugo was in a mood! It really hasn't been the same since the days of Spielberg' original ;-) Thank you Matt, Best regards, TGV

[@robkay278]

When I’m dressed up and going out somewhere special I put on my Rolex it feels great, when I’m knocking about I put on my bliger it feels great,nuff said!!!

[@fernandoaragones2713]

I am Spanish, excuse my English. I have Omega, Tag, Certina, Tissot, Raymond Weil and a Steinhart ocean one 39mm. I have to admit that after a while it is the most exact and adjusted as well as being a real wonder

[@connorp1513]

My Steinhart is brilliant, personally I love it. Its my second ever quality watch (swiss movement) and the first I brought myself.

[@WatchUnwind]

They make alot of cool watches, you should be proud Connor id happy wear a Steinhart

[@waterhead1029]

Like I said above, after discovering Steinhart today, I love these comments.

[@komeng2008]

Great video as usual T! I can absolutely say, without a doubt, your channel has been a massive influence to my recently new obsession to watches! Totally agree with your last two points, I'll wear Bambinos or Seiko SNKs any day as oppose to Hublot LaFerraris and Cabestans, watches which quite literally costs you an arm and a leg! (My personal preference, of course) Curious to know though, about your thoughts on these super high end and super complicated watches, like laferraris and cabestans (to name a few) that are, in my opinion, complicated just for sake of complications, i.e. not very practical complications (This is just my opinion, would really love to hear from you what your thoughts are on this). Cheers!

[@jesterspookshow548]

I’ve had someone stop me and say they liked my watch many times and most of mine are £20 watch I picked up on a whim at a market.

[@pavelolenic1860]

Thank you very much for this video! Firstly I though that it will be really video which should discourage from even thinking about buying homage watches. However, I was very pleasantly surprised by your opinion. I wish everybody in watches community would be reasonable as you. I started with this hobby 3 years ago by purchasing Hamilton. I had also two timepieces from the past - Wenger and Zeppelin at that time but there was “just” watches for me. Hamilton has begun my love for collecting watches. After purchasing other few timepieces I decided to buy my first homage - Steeldive SD1953. I though it would be my watch for manual work which I would not regret when it got damaged. Maybe for someone it is step back in my watch collecting journey but I like it so much that it begun almost my everyday watch. The price-performance ratio is great and accuracy is the best of my all mechanical watches. In the end, I even regret having them as a manual work watch even at such a low price. And this is also the reason why I can never buy a Rolex except for the price of course. I would be so worried about them anyway that I wouldn't wear them. Obviously I have the same problem with significantly cheaper watches.

[@geoffread2707]

Great video as usual. I own two Stienharts, an Ocean One Green and a GMT Pepsi. Love them both as I can wear them almost anywhere at any time. I also have a Datejust 41 in Gold and Steel which is my ‘pride and joy’. I wear that much less often than the Steinharts, for “dressier” occasions. Horses for courses imho.

[@theurbangentry]

I like your style Geoff, I am very much the same way. Thank you for sharing that and keep enjoying your fantastic line up of watches. Best regards, TGV

[@frankdux6930]

This video is full of words of wisdom for the WW community, thank you good Sir.

[@Roomfulofgear]

I belong firmly in the camp of "enjoying something affordable while saving up for a nice piece" and in my case, an Omega Speedmaster. I own several Steinharts, Seikos, as well as a small brace of Russian watches (wearing a very affordable Raketa Kopernik as I type this) and others from microbrands. As an industrial designer, I love objects, and particularly so when they have good attention to detail and come with decent movements. For anybody who are wary of "homages" I say, let go of the fact that someone is looking askance at them due to snobbery or simply because they are of a much higher income bracket. With the exception of fakes, I believe anybody should enjoy what is accessible to them, we should all be able to have our dreams and aspirations, but not let someone tell us what we should or should not enjoy.

[@marcs990]

Yeah you can see how that strap is a bit snug on the lugs. I have a tailor that has actually for a small price tailor my nato straps to fit. He will sew in the leather strip to go over the adjustment holes on the strap to allow you to wear the watch more easily when trying to get the pin in the right hole and cut a gradual groove out were the strap sits across the watch which is unnoticeable and stops the strap curving up on the lugs like yours and he will Stich the cut so it won’t fray all for a tenner. Makes your nato or similar look like a much more expensive variation

[@TheDoats]

I dont have $20,000 to spend on a watch and probably wont anytime soon unless I win the lottery. But I buy my homage watches and I tell myself one day that WILL BE A ROLEX! It's a great motivator to study harder and attend every class in school. So for me they are motivators plus regardless of the name they are still gorgeous well made watches if you get the right ones.

[@bkbutcher]

There is an old saying that I observe: Never take criticism from someone whom you would not seek advice. Therefore, in setting my standard, I have determine that my litmus test for criticism is as follows: If you can run with me for the first 7 miles, I'll listen to any of your criticisms for the last 7 miles, provided you can talk at an 8mph pace. I wear the Fitbit Ionic. It's been my favorite watch I've ever worn. It has GPS tracked over 3000 miles ran and countless others while cycling. It's my daily driver at work and at play. I love the space age design, function, and battery life. If I wear a suit, I can dress it up with a different strap and an elegant clock face. I love this channel and plan to one day buy a Speedmaster but when it's time to lace em' up, I'll look to the Ionic every time.

[@skynet7662]

I have seen certain channels that only give great reviews on luxury watches the average person can't afford. Even when they review watches under 500 "in their collection", 80 percent of the review depicts flaws. They make the viewer that is interested in owning a great watch, feel like a peasant for buying not affordable but "cheap" watches. Meanwhile, promoting high end watches to purchase from them. Thanks you TGV, I feel great about owning Casio's, Seiko's, Timex, or even my first automatic watch being the Invicta Pro Diver. That watch brought me into collecting and I'm loving it. With your honest reviews, loads of information and history, makes my love for collecting fun and satisfying. Thanks brother.

[@attorney1972]

Not agree. If the "real" watch costs $14,000 and the Homage is $500, the reason is evident. If the effort to save money to get the real watch goes from $500 to $1500, that is reasonable.

[@rousseau327]

At the end of the day, there are still plenty of watches that are original, have history, and are great quality, even at that $500 price point, that are NOT carbon copies of the obtusely expensive counterparts the "homages" are based off of. You can say you bought the homage because of quality, bang for your buck, or whatever, but at the end of the day, you CHOSE the homage over another more original watch, because it LOOKS like the expensive counterparts they are copying.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-fs5ez]

Love my Invicta, and I love even more the hate the brand gets, I mean it's just hilarious wouldn't have that fun with a orient or a Seiko.

[@patrickhascall7401]

First off.... I love your channel! You are so well spoken and knowledgeable, and while I am not really a watch collector, I enjoy watching your stuff. Okay, on with the important stuff! I have no problem with homage watches as they give a person with limited means the ability to wear a watch that looks elegant while still living within their budget. I am by no means rich, but I do have the fortune of owning a 1973 Rolex "Red" Submariner that is in pristine condition. As any watch collector would know, this is a very sought after watch and is very valuable. It was handed down to me by my father before he passed away. He had purchased this watch in the early 70's while working as an oceanographer for the Department of the Navy here in the United States at a very discounted price through Navy connections. He kept it all his life and it has always been properly maintained. I just had it appraised for insurance purposes and was shell shocked at its value of over 20,000 dollars US. It is a family heirloom that will forever be in my possession... even after being offered a large sum of money for it, of which a flat out "no" came from my mouth. Okay, that's the background! So, I have always admired my dad's watch. It is simple yet elegant. I could never warrant spending a large sum of money to purchase a Rolex for myself, so I did what was acceptable for me... I purchased a homage watch. And yes... it is an Invicta Pro Diver (let the insults and chastising from the audience begin). Though it more closely resembles a more modern Submariner, the closeness in appearance to my father's watch, and the price, reeled me in hook line and sinker. And I have to say, after 8 years, I still love this Invicta. I have never had any problems with it, it keeps very good to excellent time (in fact it matches the now mine Rolex almost to the second every week), and it is an attractive watch... especially for the money. I can beat the heck out of it and not have to worry, and I wear it working every day as a mechanic. Sure, I replaced the insert once due to scratches, but otherwise the watch looks fantastic still. Up until now it was also my go out for a night on the town watch because it is a good looking watch, but now the Rolex fills that category of activities! Over the years I have had many compliments on the watch from unknowing passerby's, and I am not too embarrassed to say that it made me feel good! And that is all that matters.... to each his own I say. So, if any haters out there bump into me any decide to scoff at what is on my wrist (in fact I wish someone would), I can't wait to say "it's my everyday beater watch that keeps me from banging up my 'Rolex' that 'you' could never afford @%^hole, and I love it!" Thank you for your time and thank you for getting me so interested that I had to write a short novel! P.S.... I now own four Invicta Pro Divers of various styles because I was so sold on them.

[@andrewyoung5126]

I managed to buy my grail this year, a speedmaster professional. It’s my most expensive piece but it’s not my favourite. I also own a Steinhart ovm. Some reasons I love it and don’t care about the homage negativity. 1. I don’t actually like Rolex as a brand. If I had a few thousand to spend, it would go on so many other watches. 2. It’s cheap so I can wear it as my daily beater without worrying about it. 3. Whilst I don’t like Rolex, the original classic sub design is gorgeous. It’s why I’d rather wear the ovm than a more original dive watch. Do people really think their Christopher ward watch is nicer looking than a Rolex sub (or good homage?) No problem with CW by the way, just using that as an example. 4. The watch draws more positive comment and gets more attention than any of my other pieces including the omega. Nobody has ever mistaken it for a Rolex or mentioned the Rolex connection, they just ask about it as it’s a nice piece. Just my musings on homage watches. Buy what you enjoy guys.

[@williamhansen780]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I love watches, have over 35 I'm my collection. Vostock commander to Tag Formula, to my Dad's 18k classic Square Hamilton. No way I'll ever be able to own a 5 figure watch. Many good watches out there under $200.00

[@kaunas888]

I have an Invicta Pro Diver and I love it: 40 mm, Seiko movement which is accurate to within 2-3 seconds a day, looks good, decent build quality and under $100. What is not to like. Yes, I hate the oversized Invicta watches, but with this one they got it right and showed restraint.

[@gonshocks]

I've been looking seriously at a Steinhart OVM 39. I think it would perfectly fit me and the world I live in, the clothes I wear, the car I drive, the restaurants I visit, etc.

[@fateequinox8196]

Great great video TGV! Just got a Steinhart ovm and it looks beautiful. The original would be 80-100k and I would never buy that. I have a full collection of watches and am a proud owner of “homage” watches

[@edltommyrobinson9782]

Nothing wrong with a good quality Orient Mako or Triton, damn fine watches

[@waterhead1029]

The Tritons are nice. I discovered them today.

[@gixxergeezer4171]

Steinhart does not belong grouped with Parnis or Invicta for goodness sake.

[@lyndonhare4320]

Totally agree with all of what was said, I’m a Smiths watch fanatic, which a lot of people haven’t even heard of.

[@ctw2450]

Was introduced to Smiths in English sports car instruments.

[@lyndonhare4320]

Nice, love them. I’m a big fan of classic cars, my favourite believe it or not being the Triumph Dolomite Sprint, they used the Smiths instruments also.

[@rc7016]

I have a Steinhart Ocean 39 and love it. It's very similar in quality to my Omega and it was vastly cheaper. Sure the Omega has a more accurate movement but the Steinhart is +5/-5 a day which I am totally fine with

[@gregorypalmer2147]

I just ordered my very first watch last night as a newbie to the watch community. It's a Islander automatic dive watch which is a total knock off or "Homage" to the Seiko SKX. I was second guessing myself, I thought I had done something wrong, maybe I should have bought a real Seiko. Just a few minutes later I found your video. Thank you for helping me feel good about my purchase! I really enjoy your channel!

[@hinchman101]

I am very seriously looking at the Steinhart Ocean Vintage GMT. 😉 I need a GMT in my collection. Only have one watch currently.

[@jameshaury2716]

Your defintion of affordable is not mine .I enjoy my ALPHA homages they look good keep good time and do not break the bank.WE have go a rounds all the time about this n Watchuseek often quite acrimonious.I have been told to know my place for the crime of posting my homages and encouraging others to do so. WE had a go round on this today in affordables.With people trying to redefine homages as fakes.Basically trying to boss others around.The way I figure it if you do not pay my bills you have no right to tell me what to do.

[@mcnicholas98]

Just ordered my Invicta pro diver and im super exited:D

[@kevinmontoya7318]

How is it I bet it's good right

[@mcnicholas98]

@@kevinmontoya7318 i've had it for about 2 months now and i have 1 complaint. The bezel is a little bit loose. It clicks but you got maybe 0,5mm loose space. Other than that it's totally worth it. And i've gotten many compliments:) I'm satisfied

[@jotabe777]

This is really awesome to see. A great "watch guy", one of the pros in the bussiness, saying so many humble truths. Great video. You have a new subscriber!!

[@raymcd4543]

Wonderful and informative presentation!!!! I just ordered a Steinhart and NTH watches. The NTH “The Mack” looks amazing and I love that part of the sale price is donated!!!! Cheers and this video definitely opened my eyes for a homage watch!!!!

[@leeperkins9730]

I have a collection of watches that I love, while the most expensive is around £300 I also have a £30 Timex Expedition which I enjoy just as much. They are very much a personal choice, and follow my mood at the start of the day to which one graces my wrist. Some make a statement while others are very non descript, enjoy whatever you have.

[@andyayala9119]

"just buy a Sub" -cantankerous T-rex.

[@AudiowaveTV]

*5:45** - If you know the definition of Homage watches.*

[@thestevepbrady]

Shot in the dark here commenting on a 4 year old video but- What is that bumper music between segments? I know it's from a movie and it's driving me nuts!

[@phillipmoodie9071]

A bit late but I noticed the book about Catalina's on your desk. When I was 15 I helped my Aunt with her direct mail business where her major client was Castrol oil. I did that because her business partner Capt. P. G. Taylor was away making the world's last long distance flight from Sydney to Chile. That seaplane is now suspended from the ceiling of the Power House museum in Sydney. I am now trying to get the Chinese Government to allow AVIC to sell me three new AG600 amphibians with four engines. In the meantime I have obtained permission to construct three hangars at the Cairns Airport. Shades of Fantasy Island. If I finally get permission from the P R China Government, then you'll have a free seat on the maiden flight. You can view the planes maiden flight from land at Xmas 2018 and it's recent real maiden flight if you Google AVIC. I admire the work you do. Regards, Phillip J. Moodie, Melbourne Australia.

[@juanmiranda4521]

I have a panerai collection . But parnis make high quality watches

[@DanielDzeta]

The Seiko SKX009 it is a homage of the Rolex Pepsi ??

[@ianmarshall3633]

I buy homage watches because I like them, regardless of price. I have two pro divers. It was these that got me into watches. I have regulated them so they both run at +7 seconds a day. I think the pro diver or similar homage is the perfect gateway into collecting. You get a reliable NH35A Seiko movement. And if Rolex is the only watch you know it makes sense to start with something that is easily relatable and accessible for less then £100.

[@VintageTimeGems]

When you see a $13,000 Panerai made with a silicon strap worth $2 then go for the homage. Besides, most of the base metal in a Rolex is just stainless steel hardly a precious metal! Ask yourself this....When was the last time you were stopped on the street with someone with a loupe in their hand to checkout your luxury watch because it caught their eye? NEVER!

[@jarielgarcia]

Great advise. As for myself love homage watches until I can afford the real thing ;)

[@alexatkinson7599]

Is the Nacken considered homage generally?. The most striking thing about it is the snowflake hands.

[@theurbangentry]

In some ways it is, in some ways it is not. Personally, I called it "A homage to an entire era of military divers", rather then just one particular watch. Thank you Alex, great question. Best regards, TGV