5 Times Survivor Producers Broke Their Own Rules

[@Peridiam]

It seems some people are confused about the comparison between Mike and Ben’s situations so I’ll try to clarify further. Ben was not allowed to play the idol when he did. When Jeff let him do that - and confirmed it was real - that was a violation of the rule. Jeff both let Ben play an idol early and confirmed to everyone that it was a real idol. Neither of those actions are allowed. On the other hand, Mike didn’t break a rule by asking Jeff to confirm the idol, nor did Jeff break a rule by denying confirmation of Mike’s idol. While Mike wasn’t trying to play the fake idol, it’s important to understand that if Mike cannot have his idol confirmed until after the votes are cast, neither should Ben be able to have his idol confirmed before the votes are cast - regardless of whether Ben is trying to play the idol or not. Just as he denied Mike, Jeff should’ve told Ben: “As per the rules, I can’t let you play that yet - nor confirm if it’s what you think it is - You gotta wait until the votes are cast to play/confirm it.” Also, in the following season, Ghost Island, at the final 6, Domenick played a fake idol before the votes were cast-but Jeff didn’t confirm if the idol was real or not. This situation creates another inconsistency with Ben's play, as Jeff did confirm Ben’s idol was real and any votes cast against him would not count. Why did Jeff not confirm Dom’s idol was fake, despite playing it? Confirming a real one but not a fake one is one in the same. Some people are understandably confused because Mike didn’t play the fake idol, but Ben did play the real one and it was confirmed to be real. They appear to be two different circumstances, but they're actually following the same set of rules. Idols can't be played early. Idols can't be confirmed early. Until they can. And that’s the point of the video - Jeff allows inconsistencies and sometimes the producers break their own rules.

[@jameswilliams2077]

What about when Tony asked “can you validate this for me?” in S28 & Jeff confirmed it was an idol before Tony played it?

[@thabangsiyabongakamatona7832]

I rewatched the footage and Jeff told the cast during the Ben vote that they are allowed to vote for Ben even though he had just played his immunity, their votes just would not count. But I do understand that your whole argument is about when an idol can and cannot be played. I am struggling to find this rule on the official document you linked to the video. So please help me, on what page of the rule book may we find this rule that prevents players from playing their idols before votes are cast?

[@Peridiam]

@@thabangsiyabongakamatona7832 You're right, Jeff does say they can still vote for Ben, though their votes won't count. The official document linked doesn't talk about the idol - you can find the rules for the idol on the parchment that comes with them. For example, there's a visible shot of the rules in Episode 5 of HHH, that state: "If you intend to use the idol for yourself or someone else, you must do so after all of the votes have been cast, but before the votes are read." Here's a screenshot: i.imgur.com/ifd5gZk.jpg?1

[@thabangmatona848]

@@Peridiam it feels like you are moving the goal post a little bit. I watched this video under the impression that all your "rule breaks" were issues where a rule in the official rule book was broken. I think we have established that by having Ben play that idol, Jeff did not break an official rule from the rule book. Survivor is notorious for changing rules on advantages. It would not be too far fetched to believe that this rule seen on that parchment for that single idol in HHH may not have been in the parchment that Ben had for his idol. Thank you for your engagement as I asked more questions on this issue. Most KZbinrs would have just avoided people who disagree with them. You are a germ. That said, I am still unconvinced that the Ben idol play is a rule break since: 1) It did not break any rule from the official rule book. 2) The comparison you made in the video with Mike is not exactly a similar situation since Ben's idol was played and Mike's wasn't. 3) We did not see the parchment directly linked to that specific idol Ben had as it is possible that rules for advantages differ (as is usual with survivor). I appreciate your work. Thank you.

[@cdawg4021]

@@Peridiam Imagine in survivor Caramon and Brandon is going to be voted out and he had a idol what would happen?😆😆😆

[@coltonpark1930]

Johnny FP- “whose are these?” Rupert- “pirated” Johnny FP- *immediately ok with it and stuffs them in his shirt* Love that moment

[@boomz2526]

Rupert and Fairplay have amazing chemistry

[@cmac069]

I'm telling you now this moment is still one of the coolest moments in the show. People absolutely loved that.

[@marshanievar9246]

Yes love that moment, & Johnny's grin melts away any problem with it :)

[@DJColdCutz_]

@@cmac069 Yea, definitely illegal, but absolutely my all time favorite moment lol

[@RJnottheraccoon]

I recently watched that season for the first time and when I saw that moment I was like “oh I am going to like this season!” I watched that scene like 3 or more times before moving on 😂😂🤩🤩😍😍

[@MrBen51309]

Another one is production forcing Amanda to give the clue back to Danielle but allowing Woo to steal Spencer's a few seasons later.

[@baileylynn5562]

Did production force her to? The episode portrayed it as Colby telling her to, but if someone later said it was production that would make sense

[@MrBen51309]

@@baileylynn5562 Behind the scenes yes they did.

[@LivTheSlayer]

@@baileylynn5562 I think Danielle was pissed at production so they had her give it back if i remember correctly

[@Quetzal00358]

Colby: **gets the chance to watch two hot girls fight** Colby: "I was watching Treasure Island"

[@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655]

Well Amanda stole it from under her and woo got it by accident so it’s different

[@mindassassin]

I love the fact that the producers made a rule that basically just turns all other rules into suggestions.

[@Liamj774]

that's showbiz babey

[@Agent49ers]

The rule is. Do not be boring.

[@Peridiam]

For those curious about Peih-Gee's big brain pictures at the beginning - before competing in Cambodia, she fashioned steel fish hooks out of her earrings. She also attached flint and twine to the inside of her cardigan and attempted to wear a necklace that had a serrated edge which could be used to start fire.

[@daverussell457]

How you don't have a lot more subscribers is baffling to me.

[@nathanboyer7739]

Dont forget, her dad smuggled a kit kat bar for her during Survivor China. Peih-Gee was once described as toxic by Probst but she has always been one of my favourites!

[@Mendejito]

More reasons to Stan Peih-Gee a Queen

[@thomasbrodie-sangsteredits5971]

Survivor What IF Series Coming Soon of The Heros Vs Villans JT talking to Russel. WHAT IF the producers stopped JT!.

[@delaxjinkxrpdrfan9102]

I knew abt this but seeing Peih Gee appreciation makes me smile

[@LivTheSlayer]

Savage probably has a whole theory built about how he would've made the jury in PI if Rupert wasn't allowed to steal shoes

[@TheKYLEdavid]

I feel like he is probably right IMO, Rupert was the best physical competitor on Drake. So if Rupert was disqualified Day 1, then Morgan probably makes the merge with 6 people, so a member of Drake probably is the merge boot

[@maskcollector6949]

@@TheKYLEdavid Then the show would have ended right there. Rupert "stealing" the shoes was classic. They practically gave it to him - hence not being punished.

[@_peepee_]

i do feel bad for him though even though i like rupert too. savage seems like a good guy and an excellent leader

[@boomz2526]

A big issue I have with Jeff letting Ben play the idol early is the next season, Ghost Island, Dominick handed Jeff a fake idol and he didn't confirm if it was fake until after the votes were cast.

[@Peridiam]

Right, that’s another good example.

[@PeterKoebel]

The season Ben "won", was super shady. I totally forgot that moment. But not surprised they contorted the rules to help Ben win.

[@josepheskew4392]

In neither Mike's nor Dominick's case were they trying to play the idol. Dominick was just showing off his fake and he never asked Jeff to confirm or deny its power before the votes; that would have backfired. He just set it on the podium for extra flair. Mike didn't try to play it, he asked for it to be confirmed. He was trying to have his cake and eat it too, having the idol confirmed without losing it by playing it. That's why he was denied.

[@techwiz81]

Ben’s whole game was the best evidence there’s been of the producers rigging the game. They did multiple shady things to make sure he won

[@alexanderaurin6310]

@@techwiz81 Who really cares. All of these types of tv shows are all fake.

[@MrBen51309]

I would argue the Idol Nullifier in DvG falls into that category. Dan's note told him the idol was "guaranteed protection" right? He shouldn't have any reason to doubt production when they tell him that.

[@baileylynn5562]

IoI as well

[@SolidRadon]

I personally hate any twists that take away something from others for that reason. The Idol Nullifier, the Vote Steal, the Hourglass... Additionally, the mandatory Final 4 fire-making when the contestants were not informed in advance (thus removing their justified expectation to vote). The extra vote is fine. Risking your own vote is fine because it is within your control to lose your powers. The Shot in the Dark? I actually really like the idea as an option for those with none left. But don't have it so that your right (provided as per the rules of the game), or advantage (earned as per the rules of the game), can be taken away without any agency on your part.

[@mal5377]

I mean Jeff “guaranteed” immunity to half the tribe in 41 until Erika turned back time

[@beuriotquentin7907]

Hey at least it's not the black bracelet from the latest non all-star French season, that allowed to steal an idol AFTER it was played

[@uglyaniimals]

@@beuriotquentin7907 LMAOOOO

[@jesb3973]

Another rule break of the ‘can’t strategize with the other tribe’ would be Boston Rob’s “if you take care of her I’ll take care of you” to Lex about Amber. Jeff did tell them to brake up the conversation but production not only allowed Lex to protect Amber but aired a ton of footage of Rob and Lex talking about the deal and turned it into one of the biggest storylines of the season going all the way into final tribal and beyond. Just like the JT idol storyline it was just too good to pass up, but a rule break none the less.

[@isaacmemtorie3347]

Jeff did tell them to stop, but what were they supposed to do? Producers tell Lex he can't protect Amber? He can vote how he wants. Not sure it's a clear rule break especially after a switch occurs.

[@ryanhoffman3534]

Yea I wouldn’t necessarily say that’s strategizing. They told them to break it up and it’s not like they were actually putting a plan together or anything. Like they know that certain people will team up after the merge because of connections and stuff so all that’s really doing is getting them a team up for then. Neither of them were throwing challenges or communicating on who to take out from each tribe

[@ryanhoffman3534]

Yea I wouldn’t necessarily say that’s strategizing. They told them to break it up and it’s not like they were actually putting a plan together or anything. Like they know that certain people will team up after the merge because of connections and stuff so all that’s really doing is getting them a team up for then. Neither of them were throwing challenges or communicating on who to take out from each tribe

[@joeypauley3150]

I know I’m super late to this but I think part of the reason the showed it so much throughout the season is because of how big of a storyline it was at final tribal and why Lex didn’t vote BR.

[@bodvarson1933]

Jeff is basically the DM of Survivor.

[@Nathan35077]

Makes me wonder what would have happened had any of the contestants known the rules and spoke up. Like stop him right in his tracks and say “no, we’re not going to vote out a second member because the rules state….” Would they have been like “we’re changing the rules right now” or said they were right and change the plan because they had the knowledge about it.

[@tysonplett3328]

You're forgetting about the rule that states production can do whatever the hell they want.

[@Nathan35077]

@@tysonplett3328 no, im not forgetting it.

[@beatm6948]

They would probably state that in the contract they are allowed to change them. And then edit the whole conversation out. No way it's going on tv that production has no rules.

[@matts1166]

I know there have been a number of game shows/reality shows in the past where contestants have done exactly this, and made production eat some crow. Having an encyclopedic knowledge of all rules is necessary for gaming a system. It's like players in Major League baseball losing a game because they forgot about the "4th out" rule, which then gets called out by the other team's coach.

[@jardex2275]

It reminds me of a season of The Biggest Loser, where the final 4(?) contestants were told that one of the eliminated contestants would be returning to join them in the finals. They didn't take the news well and effectively went on strike, not willing to engage with the producers, camera crew, or the trainers. I recall a good portion of that episode had rough and raw camera footage where they tried to get them to cooperate with the twist. I think most of them went along with it, but one did quit because of it. The Survivor contestants could do the same. If they believe a twist is against the rules, they could just collectively walk off the set.

[@telph3223]

Let's not forget how everyone's favorite survivor couple technically broke the rules by agreeing to split the prize money after Rob proposed live.

[@SendarSlayer]

Survivor isn't allowed in Australian waters anymore after damaging the Great Barrier Reef. They REALLY need to follow local laws.

[@BanditSurvivorContent]

Literally just watch your videos on my work break dude! Thanks for all the effort in them they give me the will to get back into work ❤️❤️

[@stubby1122]

I always figured that producers have favorites and will create challenges that favor the skills of the player(s) they want to advance in the game.

[@dianaritchie8857]

For sure, they clearly set things up for certain people to find the idols and stuff

[@Siren-Alpha-Beta-Gamma]

When Rupert stole those shoes, it got me hooked to this show, had to watch every season, best moment I ever saw in this show

[@handsoaphandsoap]

The Ben one was probably allowed not because it was a flashy move on his part, but because it was a good move by the other players. By goading Ben into using the idol before the votes are read, the other players can vote riskfree and instead pivot to plan B and lessen the risk of getting idoled out.

[@EvboiMC]

It sets a bad precedent where fake idols have less power. It's lucky that we haven't had an episode yet where someone said "Oh that idol is real? Play it now then. Why not? Ben did it."

[@handsoaphandsoap]

@@EvboiMC Yeah, I don't think they should've done it or that they should allow it again but I think that was productions logic of allowing it then and there in that moment

[@boomz2526]

@@EvboiMC We could've had that scenario happen had Ghost Island been one season later

[@Drake_Dimes]

Forgot in Season 2 when Kimmi Kappenburg talked to Tina during a challenge and said Debb voted for Jeff Varner which ultimately led to an Ogakor majority post merge.

[@iandean1112]

Is that breaking a rule though? It was during a challenge and filmed.

[@sixredfish6115]

@@iandean1112 to what was described during JT part yes it was breaking a rule, and leaking tribal dynamics.

[@GeauxWyatt]

I think Jeff screwed up on the Ben idol thing in the moment. He could’ve held up the rules if Jeff said “Ben is already giving me what he SAYS is an idol.” And just not confirm it until he reads the votes. But Jeff’s continuing hard on for Ben blinded him to the rules for a sec and in a moment of good TV confirmed it was the idol. Not the biggest mistake ever and maybe there has been a change in how that can work, but still a rule break nonetheless.

[@Peridiam]

Yeah, it’s not a huge deal. It was a pretty good back-and-forth between Ben and Devon too.

[@stephendavis6267]

Yeah, I definitely think that Jeff was caught off-guard because there was no real reason for Ben to do what he did because why would you give the opposition the chance to rally before the votes were read? It doesn't benefit Ben to play the idol before the votes are read, which is what threw Jeff off. I don't think it necessarily matters one way or the other if someone decides to play the idol before votes are cast, though -- if they want to burn the idol and give the opposition enough time to come up with Plan B, then let them.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

I vaguely recall something about a bluff idol where you "play" it before the votes are cast and then reveal the note explaining exactly what it is, meaning if anyone does vote for you, the vote will indeed count.

[@boomz2526]

@@Peridiam I don't know, it's a pretty good look to a jury clamoring for big plays to be made

[@rayg6497]

The hourglass from the most recent season should be on here. Up to now, winning an immunity challenge always meant you had immunity. So much for that rule.

[@dougfunny6735]

I hate it. 41 and 42 are terrible. At least they can't do that again, now that players will have seen it happen.

[@kukrihart-populationone9211]

@@dougfunny6735 smh

[@libraryofthoughts0]

What is an hourglass in this game?

[@cbeaudry4646]

What's the hourglass?

[@BlackandBluePianos]

The biggest rule break that's essentially not even a rule anymore is the concept of "live tribal". It was cool and crazy the FIRST time it happened, but I really hate how every week it seems we have to waste time watching people whisper back and forth without subtitles while all the votes get decided in the last minute. Things were better when people could only talk to Jeff.

[@red_day6097]

I personally like the live tribal. When people start to get up and go talk off to the side and you see people start to panic. One of my favorites was season 40 (winners) (I think) when Tony gathered the gang and everyone was up whispering and talking to each other and it shows Jeremy's face how scared he looked cause not a single person talked to him. He sat there and watched everyone discuss the vote without him so he played the advantage to leave tribal council. But I respect your opinion on the rule. I can see why you don't like live tribal.

[@kalisue6573]

Disagree I love live tribals

[@_pandacecelya_]

I agree! I hate that’s a thing now that always happens!

[@wherethetatosat]

Hilarious the first time it happened, over it by the 5th time it happened. Unfortunately, it makes for good TV and not everyone watches every season. Meaning anyone returning might have the current episode be their first time seeing it and having the same initial reaction we all did. It is possible to overdo a good thing.

[@JeyroyLenkinss]

I hate how everyone complains about the whispering. Did you see Jeff's face when it first happened?? He was SO EXCITED because he is never surprised and he was going to be after that. It was epic

[@tau_628]

Hey Peridiam, I think you should do a part 2 to your craziest tribal councils series. There's been a lot of crazy tribals in the last 6 seasons that probably would have made the top ten. Whether you revise your list or make an entirely new one, either way I think it would be an interesting video.

[@mrmetsman7693]

Great idea

[@freddytang2128]

Remember in game changers it was revolutionary to get up and whisper at tribal. Now nobody bats an eye

[@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655]

@@freddytang2128 lol

[@Peridiam]

I’ll consider it! I’ve wanted to update some of my older videos from years ago. A lot has happened since then.

[@mrmetsman7693]

@@Peridiam if you do, still keep the old ones up so we can see the evolution of the game and players over time

[@andyland5555]

Another example being the merge "immunity" challenge in Survivor 41, and then the hourglass twist happening. Also, to go with your first example, the timeline starts with Tony in Cagayan asking if Jeff can validate an idol (at the time an idol can be played), then Jeff saying it IS an idol, followed by Tony using it on LJ. Then in Worlds Apart, Mike asks Jeff to validate it (at not the time idols are played) and Jeff says he has to wait until it is played, even though he validated Tony's before he actually played it. Then, in HvHvH, we have the Ben incident where he plays it before the votes are read. And finally, in Ghost Island where Domenick asks Jeff to validate the idol and Jeff reverts back to his answer with Mike, where he can't confirm until it's played.

[@telph3223]

When Jeff said you won immunity to the group who won in 41, he was literally lying to their face and he knew it.

[@coltonyounger9724]

Another example for not being able to interact with the other tribe is when Rob told Lex not to take out Amber in All Stars

[@westube3493]

Jeff will not deny his golden boy

[@funkycrawler619]

I believe challenges are different and it was still technically a challenge so.

[@codykeane6107]

I believe that rule is more about not trying to go to their camp bc some of the camps were pretty close. You see contestants interact in challenges all the time and try get Intel from the other tribe, I think that's allowed.

[@BlueSpiceSpace]

As Tyson said: if you think its gonna be good TV, try it anyways and they might allow it

[@adenbraithwaite6191]

This whole video is absolutely a cup of tea and it shall be spilled ☕️ 😂

[@Zalaniar]

Although it doesn't really fit, one thing I found really interesting is when the rain killed the torches but Jeff snuffed it out anyway. (I think you included some footage from that one in here.) Also, I thought it was cool the couple times they let the tribe stay in the tribal council hut or evacuated everyone due to severe weather.

[@CarlosVardi]

This video was so well thought out! I’m such a fan Peridiam

[@MikeGlasses]

Should have talked about the moment a player pushed back against a rule change and said call my lawyer right now if you have a problem. Tom Westman from Season 10 at the final challenge, after half a day out there Jeff wanted to change it to one leg only.

[@BladeBlur]

3:10 I always found it funny this line is ADR'd. Sounds like Jeff is hosting Blue's Clues.

[@aaronmarshall7007]

Wait so what would've happened if someone in Raro knew that rule and convinced everyone to write down the name of an Aitu member? Imagine Jeff just shows up to your camp and tells you you've been voted out. What if they voted Yul? He plays his idol and now there are no votes that can be counted. Presumably, raro would've left tribal already. Would they have to go back and vote again?

[@eclecticsteak]

def wouldn’t happen they would just say it has to be someone from your own tribe

[@aaronmarshall7007]

@@eclecticsteak yeah. I'd pay to see this happen though

[@jardex2275]

Since Aitu wasn't immune anymore, they should have gotten a chance to vote as well. In theory, someone would call out the rule, Production would fetch Aitu, and there would be a large free for all tribal council with everyone present. That's how I imagine the scenario playing out anyways.

[@SoulSurvivor14]

The first one has the technicality of “play it.” Mike asked if it could be verified, not if he was going to play it. Whereas Ben said he was playing it

[@cindywylie890]

Another thing that has always bothered me and I'm not sure if it's in the Survivor rule book or not. I don't believe that anyone should be allowed to go through another tribe members personal belongings looking for an idol or beef jerky. A person's personal effects are just that; personal. I think someone who goes through another person's things should have a vote automatically cast against them at TC.

[@midnalazuli793]

I think the rule is that if it makes for good TV, production will allow anything.

[@jaymmzzs]

The show did all they could for ben to win , jeff had a man crush ...But they change rules so much it is crazy , check out how they rig the australia survivor,

[@brianpimental1668]

Another rule is helping someone during individual challenges. However in 46 Liz helped Kenzie in the final 5 challenge and Jeff was okay with it.

[@andrewvelazquez7179]

Ben on the Survivor Mt Rushmore?? Well this just confirmed a lot of things for me lol

[@AndyB80808]

I have to be honest the biggest rule broken to me seems to be the fire making challenge when 4 are left because players are supposed to be voted out, you never hear Jeff say to the final 3 the power shifts to the jury who either directly or indirectly you had a hand in voting out (except the last person on the jury) which is what he should say.

[@kellbellsparkles]

There was also when instead of having a vote at the final four there was a fire making challenge in Ben's season. Clear production favorite

[@arielserranoni]

I never read the literal rules of the game, but I think Chris Underwood might have broken the rules at the final 4 of S38. When he gave up immunity to Julia, it seems that Julia would get to pick who would make fire then. Instead, Chris chose to make fire against Rick.

[@jonathan536]

Julie. But yeah I guess your logic makes sense?

[@ariw.5700]

I mean, Julie would've obviously picked Rick and Chris to make fire so who cares

[@notnatwhothat]

This is a super interesting point honestly. I never would have thought about it

[@josepheskew4392]

It's not against the rules because the power to decide who makes fire and the immunity necklace are separate advantages. When Chrissy first won it, the power was designated by a separate envelope that she was given in addition to the immunity necklace. I believe Underwood actually asked beforehand to make sure before giving up the necklace.

[@othersideofyoutube2252]

That final vote out of Jenny was huge Total rule break thanks for making this!!!

[@kaninramone6365]

Are the contestants items real? I couldnt imagine going on a show like survivor, and bringing expensive shoes

[@danielmiller5]

Australian Survivor breaks that last Tribal Council rule a lot. They’ll even have someone get voted out then say sike you’re not out you’re actually just on the other tribe.

[@alienjack6375]

I don't even necessarily mind if they do a twist, but that twist should be known by the people voting before tribal council, not as some gotcha moment they only know about until a reward challenge.

[@TimTeemo]

I love FairPlay’s shirt in the interview, “She died dude” best of his moments

[@maxfischer469]

The first example makes sense. Ben found the idle, he knew it was real. Playing it early didnt help him any. In fact it hurt him because he couldnt bluff and end up keeping it despite saying he would play it. Mike on the other hand was given the idol. He had no idea if it was real. Finding out if it was authentic would indeed help him.

[@freddytang2128]

Im sure there was a rule that said you eliminate people by voting them out, unless the vote is tied. So the sudden introduction of mandatory firemaking at final 4 seem like a huge rule break. Also the introduction of idol nullifer seem like a massive rule break. Since when is an idol not guaranteed to protect you

[@itsnobodyy]

Hi Peridiam! Just wanted to say KZbin hasn’t been recommending your videos to me even though I’m subscribed so I completely forgot you existed lol. Felt like I needed to let you know for some reason cuz I love your channel so I’m glad I’m back. Got a lot to catch up on!

[@Peridiam]

Huh, that's strange. Oh well, glad you're back! Enjoy the vids!

[@grantharriman284]

As a board and trading card game veteran I love this kind of dive into the rules and figure out who is TECHNICALLY correct... the best kind of correct.

[@KingsNerdCave]

I was discussing one with my family, I think it was Game Changers in the final 6, 4 people use hidden immunity idols + the person with the necklace so Cirie, who had no votes, got voted out for being the only person not immune which seems unfair since no one voted for her.

[@ja1207]

there would've been a revote among those who aren't immune, which would be unnecessary coz only 1 person would be eligible.

[@BatCaveOz]

@@ja1207 Yup!

[@deetheefoodie]

I hated that for her! I love her so much.

[@reoxbl]

I still thinking messing with another contestants personal items should be against the rules. That shit doesn't fly anywhere in the world. If I catch you going through my stuff, we fighting. Simple as that.

[@eclecticsteak]

The idol possession stuff is fuzzy to me. Like in Tocantins when Taj lets Stephen hold on to the idol because he has pockets, he basically says its his because its in his possession. Later he tells JT if they vote her out, they keep the idol. But what if Taj never officially gave it to them? She also says if either of them need it they are free to use it. What if she changed her mind? Does it still belong to her even though she roughly gave them permission to take it?

[@cooper6381]

7:11 “Whose are these?” “Pirated” “Ahh”

[@captainpotatochips1367]

1:33 "It's just better to be cool than be a stickler for a rule" Adam in WaW: *so that was a f-cking lie*

[@TedApelt]

I used to think that not only was conferring with a member of an enemy tribe allowed, but it was also part of the game.

[@TruthBeliever1God]

So true! Thank you for saying "the rule of cool always wins"!

[@BeautiBow]

Public Service Announcement. The Golden Rule applies to Hollywood; whoever has the Gold Makes the Rules.

[@teamsteed1]

Thank you for posting the video.

[@Ori_Kohav]

The twists of Redemption Island and Edge of Extinction are a huge rule break. "Fire represents your life. When your fire is gone, so are you". Both those twists, as well as the Outcasts Tribe, really distort the game, and Chris Underwood is to me by far the worst winner yet.

[@ilikebasketball5788]

Chris winning completely ruined season Rick is the true winner

[@lukeschiltz9688]

Agreed. Basically win one challenge and you make it to final episode. Pretty dumb concept, not a fan of edge of extinction idea. Also not a huge fan of redemption island, but at least the people who made it back had to kind of earn their way back.

[@StupidManCostume]

@@ilikebasketball5788 Rick was voted out as well

[@ericgrimes341]

I love the whole tribe spends time with the other for someone’s birthday. Hats so wholesome!!

[@corymanza1072]

You Ben Idol example doesn’t apply. Mike from the earlier season asked Jeff if it was real, he didn’t get up and give it to him to play like Ben did.

[@BungtwinginglyFunny]

At first I was thinking why would you ever play the idol before the votes, but then I realized that forcing people not to vote for you opens up cracks in a "Solid" alliance if you're on the outs, which I'm guessing Ben was.

[@sophiam642]

I forget the exact number but I’m pretty sure Ben voted alone and played idols most of the merge

[@BrettMKW]

I'll be disappointed if Ben being allowed to play and verify his F6 idol before the votes were even cast isn't up here, especially when they didn't let Mike verify Joe's fake idol in World's Apart. EDIT: Holy cow, spot on! I swear I didn't watch the video before making this comment.

[@coreydagon2976]

These are two different things being done. Mike was trying to VERIFY his idol, while Ben was PLAYING it. You can play an idol whenever you want, but Jeff won't tell you if it's real unless you play it.

[@Peridiam]

@@coreydagon2976 You can’t play an idol whenever you want. It’s written in the rules of the idol parchment when it has to be played.

[@coreydagon2976]

​@@Peridiam That's true, but I think that rule has no need to be strict because playing the idol before the vote inherently makes the idol weaker. Comparing it to Mike's situation isn't really fair to the producers because it's two different circumstances with two very different implications on the game. It's more of a technicality that the producers just decided wasn't worth the hassle rather than an established rule that had major impacts on the game. Either way, love the content keep it up!

[@joeertman]

Idk if this counts but the fact that Jeff lied to Sydney, Danny, and all them at the weird merge thing in 41 after they literally won the challenge

[@sarabertschinger6853]

I have never watched survivor. Have i been binge watching all the survivor videos on this channel? Yes. Yes i have

[@reginamachamer821]

12:30 idk I mean are we sure there isnt some sort of clause in the rulebook that says "any rule may or may not be strengthened, changed, or completely forgotten when a twist says so.." ?

[@Dragondog-Gaming]

The letter Tai found with the Hidden Immunity Idol in season 32 actually shows the rules on how to use the idol and it says that it must be used after the votes have been cast, but before the votes are read. And though it has always been used that way, except when that rule was broken, I have never seen the rule explicitly stated on the show before. I've only seen what they have done. But now it is obviously clear that that is the rule. Or at least that was the rule that season.

[@EskenRock]

After season 1 and Richard walking around naked that was stopped immediatly 😂

[@sinisterfaerie]

at 0:45 , with the 4 photos of the woman showing something, what is that referring to/what did she reveal?

[@squeakyelbows]

"I can't verify that until you decide to play it." That means he hasn't played it.

[@josepheskew4392]

Exactly. It wasn't the timing; it was that he was trying to confirm the idol without relinquishing it.

[@sandrapuffenbarger9703]

It seems some specific rules wasn't clerified by the producers to the players

[@ErinMoran94]

Rupert stated in the commentary for Pearl Islands is that the cameraman allowed to take the fancier shoes but not the tennis shoes.

[@JaPls]

The first rule of Survivor: There are no rules. The second rule of Survivor: There are no rules

[@BoomBurster]

Im looking at the attack zone game and tbh if it’s a tiny walkway that’s impossible to pass, like… what are you supposed to do? Like jump in and let them run by?

[@everettpinon9871]

What about when in game changers JT got up out of his chair in the middle of tribal to talk to Brad making the first live tribal

[@blueblockk]

Anytime I see Devon on screen I get so sad about what could have been :(

[@Loogaroo1]

I remember watching Ben play the idol before the vote and thinking, "Wouldn't it be hilarious if Jeff yeeted the idol into the fire because Ben didn't follow the directions?"

[@Grunkaa1]

If that happened a producer in the background would have another one on his seat waiting for him

[@moviemaniac14]

You should definitely do an update or 2.0 when it comes to Robbed Goddesses because Jenny should definitely be on that list as production pretty much are the main ones responsible for that gaffe.

[@pumpkant]

Peridiam a walking W

[@reidgk]

Can some link to the big brain deviously scheme revealed after the season. Mentioned at the start of the video

[@HonkeyTonTon]

How about latest season when those who "won" a challenge end up disadvantaged because of some stupid bottle twist. When losing is the best strategy the producers have messed up

[@RowdyRuth]

Rupert was a great pirate! Probably one of my favorite characters of Survivor. He definitely embrace the role. 😊

[@evieee6]

I feel like it was against the rules when Jeff took Colby’s American Flag in exchange for rice in season 2 because first of all, it was Colby’s luxury item, and second of all, Colby didn’t even offer it up, Jeff added it into the negotiation.

[@dylantd9189]

I don't think it was against the rules. Just plan weird.

[@bencalebrod]

Colby happily agreed to it though.

[@davidlawrence3106]

This is why I do not watch "Survivor". Like most "reality" shows it's not real, which means it's not a game. When I want to watch a scripted show with a predetermined ending, I watch shows with proper actors and a reasonable plotline.

[@GordyByGordy]

Technically Mike didn't "PLAY" the idol before the vote. He asked Jeff a question. All Jeff said is he can't verify it unless Mike plays it.

[@eclecticsteak]

if you can’t play the idol after the votes are read, how can you play it before the votes are cast?

[@GlyphicEnigma]

Have there been enough instances where the tribal council vote tied that you could make a video about them? I can remember like 2 times that's happened and the two people who tied had to compete to remain in the game. I think a video on those (if that's happened enough times) would be pretty interesting :)

[@babis6919]

You probably mean the firemaking challenge in final 4. Before it became a thing for every season,there used to be a vote in the final 4 and if 2 people tied there would not be a revote as there usually is. Instead the 2 people that tied would compete on the firemaking challenge and the winner would earn their spot in the final 3

[@reneeclaude8324]

does anoyone know at 0:44 who that is ? thanks

[@anthonymort5202]

I have to go back to season 5 and watch this challenge I've never seen season 5 and I'm probably never going to watch that season but I kind of want to watch this challenge

[@lamjianhua2884]

What about Caramoan where Brandon was voted out by his tribe without having his name being wirtten down at tribal counsel.

[@noamjen]

what's 0:45 a reference to?

[@desirae827]

"But why? Because f*** you. The Aitu 4 are way more likable." Pretty much lol

[@Sparticus142]

I’m not sure if was a full rule break but I was so surprised that Missy was allowed to stay in the game in San Juan Del Sur when she was no longer able to compete in the challenges (and literally on crutches).

[@0pacbig32]

It was said on the show that there wasn't that much time left in the game so that's why she stayed. Missy probably wouldn't have won any of the challenges anyway.

[@alcyone2129]

I think if the injury/illness isn’t deemed life-threatening by the medical team, it’s up to the contestant if they stay in the game or not, and having a broken ankle is inconvenient, but not necessarily dangerous. Similarly, in Philippines, Dana leaving the game is technically a quit and not a medevac, since medical cleared her to stay if she wanted to because she didn’t need immediate treatment.

[@zjzr08]

It's not life-threatening although at the end it is deemed by Jury members as a negative (although people not being fond of Missy probably just reinforced that perception).

[@TwoBiteBrownies]

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THE PEIH GEE REFERENCE AT THE BEGINING!!! OR WHERE I CAN WATCH A VIDEO EXPLAINING

[@LazerDude]

I was thinking about the one time sugar, basically stole an idol she had given it to Ace and went through his bag and took it back and then voted him out. We’re nowadays you always need to have verbal confirmation that you were giving it to someone and yet sugars basically just stole it without that.

[@TequilaMockingBird91]

I hate Ben as a winner. It was blatantly obvious that production wanted him to win by “accidentally” confirming his idol before votes are cast, hiding idols LITERALLY right where he sleeps AND changing the nature of the end game entirely when it was shown that Ben would actually get eliminated now. You can’t say no to a Veteran but they weren’t even trying to hide that they were carrying him to the win.

[@kaleforsale2102]

omg yes! and seeing him in winners at war just felt like lemon juice in an open wound..

[@caidenmagill1006]

I was literally thinking about ben playing all his idols in 35 earlyer today and i was like they must've been so annoyed

[@Saveddrip]

whats the broken rule from the first clip on the water?

[@holyheretic3185]

I still can't get over that attack zone challenge, I'm only a few season in but seen some clips, if literally everyone is being disqualified for touching out of the zone then you messed up with your zone placement

[@jardex2275]

From those couple clips, it seems like the error was allowing contestants to walk past the conflict zone. Once you walk past it, you're pretty much immune, since they can't enter the zone without making contact.

[@houstoneuler]

This makes me much more likely to believe the season 1 winner who claimed that the producers promised to make his winnings be tax free, and then the producers later denied it

[@drakeredgrave6747]

4:33 I'm pretty sure that the logic is Mike was given an idol and he was suspicious and wanted to confirm without playing, meanwhile Ben wanted to play it which allowed it to be confirmed

[@presssquareproductions2303]

video starts at 2:12 .. this guy just says the same low IQ sentence for the first 2 mins

[@bbiakeddy]

@@presssquareproductions2303 Best comment in existence!

[@masterjbt]

0:46 what happened?