5000watt bbshd w/ ASI bac 855 controller on Cannondale frame and dual 52v 21ah batteries top speed..

[@Gusto0172]

Thanks for the vid. I put a BBSHD in my Cannondale RZ120 (dual susp) a year ago. So much fun compared to the rigid MTB I was running. I have ordered a BAC 855, that will be the new learning & fun factor. Cheers.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Nice

[@torchrecordslabel]

Hi what kind of cell inside this battery, and if the asi is open for 100% of power how much amps is it takes from the battery

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Samsung cells in the battery and I’m not sure what you mean by the other asi question. My asi controller is hacked and I am able to tune it on my own. It’s pushing around 80 amps from the battery but outputs 105 phase amps. That’s not continuous though that’s just peak.

[@tobebike]

Good job. Cannondale is one of my favorites

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Thanks yea I'm finding that Cannondales have a huge following of die hard Cannondale fans!!! This frame was actually my father's old sheriff's office patrol bike lol so it has sentimental value to me otherwise I don't think I would still have it because it took a lot to get it semi decent as a ebike and ridable again. The main thing was changing or repairing the front headshok which I first did some janky repairs to then finally replaced it with a more modern air fork with double the travel but it's a cheap fork so it's only temporarily on there until I can afford something better. I also have a Segway x260 aka a Sur Ron being delivered in the next two weeks.

[@surronwavey]

I got a super73 rx with this controller ready to install can it be ran on a single battery and stock motor ? If so im tryna see what’s up get it done today

[@Busabuck100]

What is the performance difference when running one battery vs both ?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Just that the bms regulates my Amp output to around 40 amps per battery while my controller can output 80 so if I want to use the whole 80 continously (I rarely do that) I need both. I've come to the realization though that running just one battery works fine and seems to be better for most situations but it is nice to have the second for when it might be needed.

[@golfmechanic1714]

Nice video. I have bbshd, I wanted to know how to get the Bacdoor pc for ASI BCA 855 Controller? So I can tune it myself. Thanks

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

You have to get it from someone that has it already because asi doesn’t distribute it

[@MrChelseafc88]

Have you replaced the nylon gear with a peek or steel?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Yes I did but honestly it wasn't needed because when I pulled the nylon gear it looked brand new but I did it anyways just because I was already there might as well but tbh I think either the peek or leaving the stock nylon is better because the steel gear makes it incredibly louder and I thought I wouldn't care about that but it does get annoying.

[@matthewevans1930]

If I may ask, how you lucked out with a 5000w NXT setup? Was is something custom by Alan? I can get an occasional blip to 4000W @ 72v, but sustained is typically lower.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

The higher you turn your field weakening up the higher wattage it will sustain but that also causes massive heat and I've already melted a stator from doing that too much so don't recommend it. You might be lucky and have a unlocked asi controller if you bought it from Alan and if you do if you get the computer software version of the backdoor app you can mod the settings. I've got my max field weakening turned up a bit higher then I think what he normal sends the controllers out with as their max percentage setting. I think he sends them out to where you can only put it up to 30% field weakening on the nxt controller (which tbh should be enough to sustain over 4000 watts so I'm a bit puzzled why yours can't but I'd need a bit more info on your settings and specs to figure out why yours is doing that)

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Another thing I'd add to what I said earlier is I've noticed from having two of the bac855 controllers and nxt setups from Alan and ert that sometimes one comes set up completely different then the other. This was my experience but once I got the back door software that really didn't matter anymore as I could go in and change things.

[@matthewevans1930]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogsThanks for the response. I can peak at 4k watts, with 30% field weakening. May have to check into the Bac door software.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@matthewevans1930 there's a Facebook group I'm a part of called asi hacking bacdoor we can help you better there. Add me on Facebook I'm under Aaron Ross with a surron as my profile pic. Also about getting those kinds of wattages, I run the max 50% field weakening and it also depends on what the gearing is if you put it into a higher speed lower torque gear it will sustain higher wattage but that isn't always ideal or best.

[@HighVoltageKits]

Um 5000 watts? At 52 volts the most a BBSHD will pull is 2.8k. I know cause I designed all the onscreen graphics on the nxt as well as the X case etc. Feel your pain on that dragon fly. Took a bee to the chest once. The most you can get out of the ERT setup is 3.6 or 3.7 kw. Check the data pages. Cool bike but no way are you getting 5kw

[@alexmagana8984]

Brother when are the asi kits back in stock?

[@arronjohnston742]

he's click baiting, that's obvious

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Cap you should know the asi controller will output 106amps and at 58.8 volts on a fully charged battery if you do the math you can see it's completely possible. Your kits are limited to 2800 watts and that's completely understandable because anything over that risks damaging to the bbshd I know because I've already had to replace my stator once. But if you know anything from our asi bacdoor hacking group chat I added you to you would know we are good at pushing these controllers to there limits. Those that limit their kits to 2800watts do so in order that they don't get a bunch of upset customers who fry their controllers or motors which I can completely understand but when your like me and have full access to the tuning it's easy to do what I'm doing.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@arronjohnston742 stop being a douchebag

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@alexmagana8984 they are in stock at some shops idk about hv tho

[@michaelg1353]

So I am running bbshd and one 52v 19.5 battery with 50amps ehat speed am I looking at if I get the bac855 controller asi ??? And does it affect my range much

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Well firstly if your battery or bms only supports 50amps you won't be able to fully utilize the bac855 80+ amps of output capacity. Also the faster you go the less range you will get due to wind resistance and other factors that make things less efficient. As far as speeds go I've gotten my set up up to about 45mph but I rarely go those speeds for several reasons. Those reasons include the reduced range, increased wear and tear on every component including the motor and battery and lastly it just isn't comfortable riding any bike at those speeds. What I find myself doing most of the time is setting my max output to very low wattages on the range of 500-750watts and using my gearing to still get it up to 25-30mph while enjoying a very good range ability at those settings. It is nice however to be able to switch it on the fly to a higher power setting which is why I got this particular kit. However I don't really recommend this kit, it's a lot of money and the benefits aren't really important to me atleast

[@michaelg1353]

So I just gonna get the bac855 asi controller then and I should be able to run it flat.out all the time ya ?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

You will only be able to output about 2000-2500watts if you try to do more your batteries bms will cut the power and you will have to turn it off then back on. For what the asi bac855 costs and due to the fact you won't be able to use it's full power capabilities I would recommend looking for a cheaper less powerful option. There is a type of controller called vesc controllers that are actually better then asi I feel and they cost way less. Their open sourced so the firmware is constantly getting better snd better and you don't have the limitations that come with asi controllers. If you do still get the asi controller I suggest getting it from a source that has tuning software capabilities like cyc or there's another company but I can't remember the name of the top of my head. Stay away from ert which is what I have as ive heard many stories of people getting ripped off by Alan the owner and he's a drug addict that straight up steals money from his customers and doesn't send them anything. I got lucky in that he didn't do that to me but after I posted videos about my equipment I got tons of comments from people who he has ripped off in the past and eventually I got the full scoop on him being addicted to heroin and what not so I would just stay away from buying from ert from what I've heard he's being sued and isn't shipping kits anymore cause asi stopped allowing him to buy from them directly.

[@michaelg1353]

@DIY Detail so I csn just run it at 2000 to 2200 ya should be OK then ya? Then I csn run it constantly and then will I get more speed and power at all

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@michaelg1353 yea but I think it will surprise you how little the speed gains are when you start increasing wattage what increases speed more then wattage is voltage which is something you can use the asi controller to increase and if it's speed your after then you definitely should run at least a 72v battery

[@mikes6216]

How much did the 855 cost you in total and were all the parts you needed in the kit?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

It cost me $650 from ert for the display and the controller. The ert set up is a bit different then all the others. Honestly though I don't think it's worth the cost now that I have it. I like it I just think it should be more around $300 for it then $650. Right now the bac855 is hard to get no one has them in stock even cyc. There are other good alternatives then the bac855 too. There's the trampa vesc controllers which I personally like a lot and the sabovaton controller is good too. There's also the nuclear and sintech.

[@mikes6216]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs I did not know there were so many options, mind blown. I researched each one you mentioned, although it is not immediately clear which versions are compatible with the BBSHD the BAC855 seems to be the lowest cost option at $650. The other ones even go up over $1k. For the ASI BAC 855 is it $650 plus you have to buy a Cycle Analyst and Eggrider?

[@JohnDoe-yoyoyo]

@@mikes6216 Hi Mike, due to the semiconductor shortage ASI BAC 855 controllers are nearly impossible to find right now. There is a discord server dedicated to BBSHD and CYC Cyclone builds using the 855 controller. They also have a website to purchase the kit (get on the waiting list, late July 2022 is the anticipated availability). You don't need an eggrider if you stay 72 volt. Another awesome controller is the Grinn Technologies Phaserunner (they also offer a BBSHD wiring kit) but that controller does require the cycle analyst display AND availability is zero until November 2022.

[@mikes6216]

@@JohnDoe-yoyoyo Thanks for the infos. $650 for a controller is unobtanium for me. The VESC or specifically the FSEC 75-100 would be great but it lacks PAS. At $100 this is what I am really looking at (link in next reply) because it has the lastest VESC tool compatibility, eg. should be able to do field weakening. It is possible to add a screen to these but as far as I know you cannot add PAS to them

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@JohnDoe-yoyoyo I didn't know they are so hard to come by!!! I might sell mines knowing this as I could really use the money and don't mind switching to a VESC I have since I know now I don't care to run high power threw this set up anymore. I also have a bac2000 but those seems to not be in as short of supply.

[@thomasjurd172]

What wh battery have you got ? . Just about to buy a 72v 1500 21ah with molie cells. Hoping for a good range with my asi bac 855

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

i have a 52v 21ah actually i have two but dont always use both at the same time. I can tell you that the battery your describing sounds to be a really good one molicel cells are the best and 72v is definitely the way to go. Ive recently gotten into battery building so im working on building a 72v pack for my Surron and this ebike also

[@BuildItTuneItEV]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs Glad you ended up seeing the light with the way of 72V brother. Did you finish the pack? Nice build here.

[@mikes6216]

I would like a bike that fast but is it possible for me to control it? I don't have 8 foot long arms and your neck is the size of my waist. The camera ads ten lbs?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Lol ur comment is hilarious and I can see why you said that, the camera I used was a 360 camera and I went back and reframed the video because I like filming my videos that way it makes it so I have much more ability to change the view in post but does have that issue where things look super distorted up close to the lens. Anyways it's not hard to control even at high speeds, it does feel a bit sketchy going super fast on a bike that isn't meant for speeds over 25mph but so far I've not had any falls or accidents. Brakes are a big must though and that's something I'm constantly working to make better on this bike.

[@Anees-]

😂😂😂

[@budwhite9781]

🤣😂😅👍

[@Nelsjourney]

How far can you go with both batteries connected

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Really what makes the biggest difference with regards to range is the speed I'm going. What I like about the current set up I have which is the asi bac855 controller and nxt display on the bbshd is that I can set my power from as high as 4200 watts to as low as I want it and I find that I can set my power as low as 750 watts and sure the acceleration at that power isn't as good but since this bike has 8 gears I can still manage to get it up to around 30-35mph using that little bit of power output. To go faster takes a significant amount of power and it's like the law of diminishing returns really starts to kick in after around 750watts because at 4200 watts the max speed is only 10mph faster at around 45mph but it also gets to that max speed faster and then cuts back on the watts to about 2000 watts depending on the gearing in. I typically don't use the smaller rear gears from 5th to 8th gear I find that 4th to 5th gear is the smallest I need to go to get the most efficiency out of speed and range when running the low power set up at 750watts. To answer your question running it that way 750watts with both batteries I estimate that I can get well over 100 miles of range using both batteries possibly even 150miles. I typically do a commute that is around 20-30 miles each way several times a week for a total of 40-50 miles round trip about and I've found that I can make the trip using one battery if I set the power output to max out at 750 watts so that's what I have been doing a lot lately. I don't even use the second battery very much anymore because I like not having the weight of it on the bike and it's also a rack mounted battery and the way it's mounted makes a ton of vibration noise so it's a bit annoying and makes the bike seem janky when I'm riding it. Still it's nice to have the second battery option available when I need it but I think what I'll eventually do is combine the cells from the two packs into one single 72v triangle pack hopefully that will be somewhere around 32ah.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

To answer you question in a shorter way basically I haven't been able to max out the bike with two batteries to see the max range, when you ask me what the max range on the two batteries is to me that's asking what's the most I can get while riding efficiently and not full send which is relatively how I ride most of the time and why I felt the need for two batteries. I've since switched to riding at lower power and more efficiently but when I did that I also dropped the second battery in favor for a lighter bike because it makes a huge difference not having the weight of that second battery!!! It likely could do well over 150miles with both batteries if you ride it efficiently at like 750-800watts max and using the gearing and stuff to get the best speed. I typically don't see much higher speeds when I use more power for example at 250-500watts I can eventually get it up to about 30-35mph surprisingly and when I boost it all the way to 4300watts I'll get between 40-55mph as my top speed and anything above 45 is really hard to maintain for long distances for several reasons including the motor heating up to the vibrations being insane above 50mph from unbalanced bicycle wheels and rims and tubes I mean it's bad lol I need new rims tbh I been playing with the spokes to much and my back rim isn't the straightest so that doesn't help right now.

[@user-pwfus]

You need to change the bms in your batteries to a higher amperage and you will get more power/amps giving you the option to have a more accel .

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

I run dual 52v 20ah packs in parallel with 50amp bms in both when I'm pushing the bike to the hardest but typically I don't push it that hard this was more of a test what it can do scenario typically I set my output to between 250-750 watts to get good efficiency and typically I can still manage to get the bike well over 20mph at that low power setting which is enough to keep me cool on really hot days and really that's all I care about in terms of speed I usually am not in a rush if I'm taking my bikes places otherwise I'd jump on the gas powered motorcycle for that. I am working on a 72v pack for this bike just because I had the cells laying around and I like to experiment and do stuff like building packs to learn and practice those skills. Should be interesting seeing if the performance is any better on a single 72v 24ah vs dual 52v 20ah's

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Ps the bms on the new 72v pack is above and beyond anything I'll need for this bike I used a giant 350a ant bms I had laying around cause I didn't want to have to buy one plus I eventually intend on using the 72v pack in a motorcycle project.

[@Amazon820]

BBSHD 5000watt mid drive motor?

[@aaronstern7111]

Stock it maxes out at 1500watts I changed the controller out for a asi bac855 speed controller that forces more amps threw the motor hence you get high watts. In reality it's more like peaking at 4300 watts I said 5000 cause it fluctuates at times. Also it won't run over 3000 watts for long periods cause it will over heat so it's not really made for that much power but it can handle short durations at it.

[@Amazon820]

@@aaronstern7111 Thanks for the info

[@Alessandroangelini79]

Hi 😊 may I ask you what maximum speed can you get in GPS? And what reports are you using only throttle ? Especially how you set up the controller .. Thank you, I'm about to make the purchase and I'd like to be sure .. I have a Fatbike 20x4.0

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

It really depends I can get a really good top speed but the thing is I can't maintain that for long periods of time. I've been working on doing tuning and what not but the thing it comes down to is if top speed is what you want you really need to think in terms of raising the voltage of your pack vs the wattage and controller output. I'm still learning new stuff about this set up but so far I've gotten it to around 55mph tops and then I hurt the motor from doing that too much and really since then I haven't been as obsessed with top speed but more so with efficiency!!! What I love about the asi controller isn't even the fact that I could dump 4300watts into the bbshd when I want to bit rather that I can limit it to 500-800 watts and get some super stellar range while using the gears to still get it to a decent speed. I think also going with a controller that provides more phase amps then the bac855 does will also have a huge benefit on both acceleration and top speed but mostly it will allow you to achieve higher speeds because it will allow you the torque you need to use a smaller gear but still be able to get it to a high rpm but voltage is still the best and easier way to high rpms vs going after them via phase amps and field weakening. When you use field weakening it designates a percentage of your phase amps towards raising your top speed hence the percentage of field weakening setting. I've had mines as high as 50% but in reality after experimenting it almost seems like it doesn't have as much affect on things over 30% as it does have under 30% if that makes any sense lol. There's so many confusing tuning settings in these controllers and I'm still learning a lot of it. It's a lot different then the drone stuff I was into before ebikes.

[@rabbitrampage]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs was that 55mph at 52v?!? Is it possible to do 45-50mph consistently on a controller swapped 52v BBSHD without damaging the motor?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

It’s hard to say because it’s pushing the limits of the bbshd trying to get it to those speeds. If your after top speed you want higher voltage for sure the higher the voltage the more rpm’s you will get out of the motor plus the cooler it will run with less amps being used

[@KwameGH]

Top speed?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

45 mph I don't really have it set up for top speed

[@androsmilenionful]

Wear a helmet man that's really dangerous with that speed .

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

thank you for your concerns

[@ANYTING...]

God job 👌👍👍👍👍👍

[@June4600]

Awesome vid ! The BBSHD is one good mid drive for sure. I own one myself along with a 52v pack of Samsung cells. I’d like to purchase that bac855 controller but I don’t know where to purchase it from. Would you happen to have a link to where you purchased yours from?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

I honestly wouldn't suggest the asi bac855 controller especially if you enjoy being hands on and tuning things yourself. Yes it's a nice controller but personally I don't like how difficult they make it to tune it on the phone app which you literally can't do unless you have a login and they don't give them out they only give the logins to resellers and the resellers don't give them out either and then to get the computer version of the tuning software is equally as hard to get but can be done without a login thankfully otherwise this controller would be almost useless as well as the bac2000 I have on my surron. Alan from ert is one of the smartest tuners with these asi controllers and if your absolutely dead set on getting one I recommend buying it from his company electric race technologies. Some other options out there are phase runners, sabovaton and my personal favorite vesc which is open sourced. All those other options do pretty much the same stuff as the asi controller does but allow users to tune them more so then the asi controllers do. Vesc is my personal favorite because it's all open sourced so your not restricted at all on what you can do with it but it's been mostly geared towards the eskate boarders community which is why you don't see it used on ebikes much but they make versions that are perfectly capable of powering ebikes and they actually make ones that are more powerful and better then anything asi sells. Trampa is a company that I recommend for the vesc controllers. Which ever you decide to get let me know as I love to network and chat with followers of my channel and also other people who are into ebikes.

[@June4600]

Nice thanks for the suggestions ! I’ve heard of the phase runner and sabvoton but never heard of Vesc, definitely going to look into it. Hmm yea I don’t know about the bac855 now because I like to fine tune things myself like I do now on the stock BBSHD controller. I actually recently downloaded some app where I can tune the stock BBSHD settings via my cellphone which is pretty cool but seeing so many people with these beefed up controllers made me wana get one now. Thanks for the reply I will be looking into Vesc and if that don’t work for me will probably just get a phaser runner 👍🏼

[@MrChelseafc88]

High voltage do the best 855 kits by far. All set up to be plug and play with optimal settings already pre mapped

[@MrChelseafc88]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs you can change settings by using cyc app. Just a lil tip

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@MrChelseafc88 I got my bac855 kit from ERT and use the nxt display to do most of the on the fly adjustments but I have the computer version of bacdoor which you don't need a login for but also need to have a controller that isn't write protected which companies do to force you to go to them for tuning then say they do it to protect their work which just isn't true since they can't and aren't read protecting their tuning data anyone can post the settings online and anyone with a unlocked controller can have the same. In fact these controllers pretty much tune themselves what they are calling tuning most guys is they are limiting how much you can turn certain settings up because it's either useless to go so high or low on certain settings or it could blow the motor. They aren't really tuning anything in my opinion. Anyways idk how I got way off subject like that sorry lol. By they way back to the bac855 and cyc app do you know for sure it can work with the cyc app if I bought it from someone other then cyc? Because I've tried and couldn't get it working and if your saying it should work I'm thinking maybe I didn't see something or did something wrong then?

[@Timbodacious]

so for anyone else watching this video about the bac 855 its true amp output is sustained at 50 and maxes out at 55 to 60 with the phase amps being up in the 90 range so your ebike batteries with a 50a bms will be able to give the controller 95% of its power draw.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Yup it will and does draw above 50amps on the battery side but usually that's only on bursts unless you turn field weakening way higher then it really needs to be set to. I run two packs in parallel mostly due to the voltage sag more so then the current draw.

[@kweshinz2103]

Do the cops ever harras you?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

never not even when i ride the Surron that looks like a dirt bike do they say anything. I sometimes get stares from them but ive never had one even stop to say anything to me. I dont ride like a idiot though so that could be why.

[@kweshinz2103]

Ok good to know. Btw do you have to use the gear sensor or pedal assist? I just want to throttle it, and pedal only if necessary...?

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@kweshinz2103 you don't have to use the gear sensor or pedal assist or you could use it that's your choice your not required to do it one way or the other although technically the ebike laws say you should have operational pedals for it to be a ebike but again I've riden a SurRon around with pegs and no pedals for months and no one ever said a thing about it. Just traded it for a Grom and kinda miss it but the Grom takes me on further rides and thats what I ultimately want.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

You know what pisses me off when people doubt your claims because they don't get the same results!!! Y'all who do that are so closed minded!!! I can't believe you actually think that if you can't do something that means everyone else can't either lmfao so shallow minded to think this way. No it's not click bait yes I actually hit 5000 watts on a bac855 no it's not constant and most of the time it peaks at around 4300watts it's only once in a while it peaks at 5k but it's because I do my own tuning and unlocked my controllers max settings to push the hardware to it's absolute limits so just because you can't do it don't mean I can't number one and number two there's a reason why your controllers don't come set up to do these kinds of numbers and that's because it's hard on both the controllers and motors and also the batteries too.

[@hansmatthia32]

Broke ever kit I’ve used over the past 4 years have the un breakable set up including the Nylons 80+kph reliable comfort build just ask

[@aaronstern7111]

Huh?

[@arronjohnston742]

5000w @52v yeah calling BS on that one nice click baiting dude.........

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Also if you weren't so lazy not only could you research it and see it's possible but you could also see in my other videos I show my data logs but yea it's B's right? Smh

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Also your failing to do the simple math asi bac855 will output 106phase amps max (not 85) and 100times 52 is guess what? Over 5000 watts genius that's without mentioning we are actually at 58.8v on a fully charged battery. So keep on thinking it's impossible and showing us all how ignorant and lazy you are that you couldn't even do the simple math equation that would show you that this is not only completely possible but is relatively common and easy to accomplish on these controllers.

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@arronjohnston742 your very childish how old are you?

[@arronjohnston742]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs hahahahahaha hello pot, that's rich coming from the likes of you dude hahahahaha

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

@@arronjohnston742 how would you know how rich it is or what the likes of me are? you dont even know me and whats worse is your comments speak more about you then they do about me.

[@minnil7927]

Yo bro just tear up the trails who gives a fuck rip it full throttle

[@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs]

Negative that's a ass hole way of thinking specially if your aware of the kind of hard work that goes into making and maintaining those trails!!!! The one I'm riding on in the pic Is paved but most are gravel and take lots of hard work to make and maintain so to ruin them by being a idiot is a ass hole jerk off move just saying cause it sounds like you weren't aware of any of that

[@minnil7927]

@@SpreadingKnowledgeVlogs yea typically I’m considerate but when it comes to homemade mad max bikes I don’t care about the maintenance that goes in to it. Just rip the trail up who cares