It shows how versatile these guns are and how much you can vary not only the velocities and power out of it, but it goes with what a lot of historians and even reenactors I know have said, that during the time flintlocks and even early percussion guns were around and in daily use by everyone, that if you lived on the frontier, served in the army and even made powder in the field or at a fort, the granulation could vary wildly. To have a gun that can function and function well like a flintlock like this with all these different powders and charges really says something. I think right now Kibler is making some of the best muzzleloaders money can buy (hoping to get one myself eventually) especially when compared to the tried and true guns like Pedersoli.
@thebigfellar7178 Жыл бұрын
The first thing you learn in sales is ---- never trust the salesman. It's like lunacy at it's best. Never ever buy anything unless it has adjustable sights or will take a scope or peep sights I typically never speak out. 100 grains of black powder is a lot. Most trappers, frontier ,injuns, and explorers knew powder was like finding a Unicorn. in the wild. It was not ever loaded to 100 grains. Also muzzleloaders were hit or miss. Accuracy was ""let's say """ wasn't remarkable. Most flintlocks were smoothbores =no rifling, fowlers = smoothbores. Shotguns= smoothbore. Real cartridge rifles were unobtainable = $$$$$$$$$$^$...!!! So were cartridge pistols. $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Money was script. Or precious metals. Or trade . The common man probably earned $2 dollars a week for 60 hours. Kibler rifles are just a kit gun. And a damn expensive one. 100/1 A t/c anything will beat it easily. What I find most amusing is the salesman is charging extra for the part that makes it go Boom. To me that's the guy you best avoid. The guy that is about to rape you...!!! Your money. Peace.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Interesting point of view but I’m afraid I have to completely disagree. I have won first place with my Kibler SMR in several competitions and out shot a lot of folks with TC Hawkins. Nothing against TC but they are nothing close to a Kibler. Also, have you seen what a kit looks like from Chambers or Tennessee valley? There is easily 4 times the work that goes into building one of those kits and it’s the same price if not more than a kibler. As for the historical aspect of flintlocks, smoothbores and so on. Yes, you’re generally not going to get pinpoint accuracy at 300 yards but that’s to be expected given the technology that the firearm employs. Now what do you mean their guns would never be loaded with 100gr? That is a downright ignorant statement, my friend. The service charge for the brown Bess musket was 120gr. Keep in mind black powder in the 18th century was much weaker because it was not compressed like the modern sporting grade black powder. It was common to use 100+ grain charges in rifles and muskets up until the mid 1800s. Hope you learned something. Have a great day!
@thebigfellar7178 Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder See that's the thing . "Cough's you insinuate I'm stupid and have not a clue. Maybe it is you that is unaware that 99% of all rifles made from the 1600's to the late 1800's were founded in black shops , the barrels were mass produced Blacksmith's didn't have the equipment to make them or even try. And 90% of those were and are smoothbores. Furthermore temperatures could not even get close to what we can do now. So simple minded people understand forging a barrel it didn't get hot enough to make hardened barrels. The metal was soft. Way way softer than today's steel. As far as black powder same thing salt peter is nothing compared to Pyrotex or other variants. The charge of 100 grains = 40-50 grains of Pyrotex. "Google it my friend"" ...!!! No comparison whatsoever. Metals which aren't found lying around "Cough's had to be made, forged, heated. A strong man could actually bend a rifle barrel with just his hands. Try that on a modern rifle barrel. If you're going to get all prissy and act like you know it all. At least kind of know what you are talking about. Have you ever watched or seen how rifling is done???? I'd bet good money you have not. You got to have expensive equipment and very hard steel. YT has video's I suggest you watch a couple. Then come back at me again as the prodigal scholar. Then you can buffalo with authority and confidence. ...!!! And " Kibler rifles are no different whatsoever than T/c rifles. None as in prove it . Both uses drop in barrels, both use premade locks, both use machine cut stocks. Both use pre-forged parts -that are sourced. And both are sold in mass. So just how are Kibler rifles different or better. Higher end parts???? Higher end locks. They are a kit gun, right???? Do you think Kibler makes those parts???? Do you think Kibler makes the barrels???? They are sourced...!!! Exactly the same as other kit guns. Paying for a name. I can buy a Kibler barrel without buying from Kibler, locks, etc. etc. etc. Next time you get on their site , read close nothing on there is made by Kibler . Not one single item. Everything is sourced. every single thing from locks to barrels to powder flasks. Experts are everywhere, just like special forces. Everyone's son is in special forces too.... Help me baby Jesus...!!! Peace.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Sweet weeping Jesus on the cross. You were the one you started off by making the ridiculous statement that they never would have used a 100 grain charge back then. Now you’re leaving me pages worth of information that’s irrelevant to to original. So you don’t like kiblers? That’s fine. I do and so do thousands of over folks so get over it.
@thebigfellar7178 Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder Whatever , you made "Kibler """ to be the shyte of the shyte. A rifle like no other. ""It's a kit gun....!!! Kibler neither makes nor has anything to do with the rifle whatsoever. Nothing. Not one single thing. But according to you, it's one of the best flintlocks on the market, bar none, I disagree. It's a kit gun. The site says it is a kit gun. Every single part is listed. And sourced. It is not a hand fitted or hand made anything. It's a you put it together rifle. Nothing Else... !!! Where I come from , rifles are marked and signed by the maker. $2000 is nothing for a good rifled rifle. But it's like no one else knows , you got to pay to play. It's kind of simple really...!!! Peace.
@ltdc426 Жыл бұрын
Great ignition. After 50 years of answering the ‘delay’ question / comment, I just tell people that it goes away when you actually own one.
@corneliussulla9963 Жыл бұрын
Ordered my Colonial in 54 cal and extra fancy maple an hour ago.
@thomas.bill92 Жыл бұрын
Kibler makes some great stuff!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@jimseaman255811 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to run these test on your 54 caliber Flintlock. I too have a Flintlock in that caliber. The barrel on my rifle is 39 inches. Your tests have given me some idea of what I can expect in performance. At 75 years old I’m just getting into flintlocks. I’m really looking forward to the adventure.
@raytribble8075 Жыл бұрын
I was equally surprised with my Early Virginia .54 Flintlock with her 42” Colerain radius groove barrel. I shoot 100 grains of 2F Swiss under both the .530 RB and Lee 300 grain REAL bullet for hunting. I do 120 grains of 2F Swiss under a 330 grain cast .600 RB in my 38” rifled Colerain radius grooved barrel .62… they “kill bugs dead” I have taken elk, mule deer, WT deer with the .54 along with a few dozen hogs. The .62 has taken Mule deer, WT deer and 4 hogs so far. I am taking then both back home to Wyoming for speed goat this 2023 season… the .62 is up for opening morning. Awesome video again!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you
@rocketg4360 Жыл бұрын
Those are some impressive velocities.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
We thought so
@stephenfields6236 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the work you are doing with black powder. Thanks for sharing.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@terryqueen3233 Жыл бұрын
Man old man was that awesome! When you shot I could see the difference in the way it kicked between the 80 grains and the 100 and 120 but I was super impressed with that. You do so good man. I'm sure there's going to be some disagreements there and there's idiots everywhere. Keep ye powder dry!
@hutchdoesstuff Жыл бұрын
You should take this one out to some longer ranges. I'd love to see how far it retains it's accuracy.
@chopsddy3 Жыл бұрын
The video did not suck, but it made me pretty jealous. The 80 grains of fff surprised the heck out of me. Economical and effective.👍
@gregoryleuelling3826 Жыл бұрын
I really do appreciate the two videos on the kibler colonial 54. I have one that haven't had an opportunity to shot yet.
@Purple_Wayne Жыл бұрын
More energy than a 7.62x39. That's insane. I need one.
@bigtrucklittlerv79699 күн бұрын
Not down range, Dickwad
@jimdunkle4823 Жыл бұрын
In the late 70s, I bought a CVA big bore kit. And an Old Man, that made muzzleloaders, (Tom Pike), from SE Ohio. Told me to use 3F in my 54. That's what I've used sense than. He also told me if I used 2F, shoot on the snow. And add powder till the gun through powder on the snow, then back the load off some. Because any more powder is slowing the ball down and wasting powder!
@mikewasniewski4048 Жыл бұрын
I like the instant sound of the target hit!
@luisgarza2036 Жыл бұрын
Wow thats smoking fast, and at the same time really low speed variation, you can hunt serious big game with that, simply amazing!!!
@451whitworth4 Жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction looking at the chrony readout when using Swiss for the first time in my ML'ers
@theshotgunscientists Жыл бұрын
That thing is awesome. Impressive velocity for sure.
@johngallagher2313 Жыл бұрын
Those are some impressive results. From 80 grains up it would be an extremely effective hunting rifle.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@usnchief13398 ай бұрын
You guys kick ass! My Kibler colonial is waiting for me at the post office! 🕺
@Everythingblackpowder8 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@jazzman5598 Жыл бұрын
Dang! Way more fpe than many center fire cartridges. Great vid! Thanks
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@kr6dr3 ай бұрын
5:36 The max spread is 9 fps. But still very consistent! That long barrel is efficient.
@galenhisler396 Жыл бұрын
I love my colonial flintlock from kibler 58 cal. That was great, thank you 🤠
@brianr555 Жыл бұрын
Those numbers from a 54 cal are really impressive! My 1st (30yrs ago) muzzleloader was a 54 cal hawken, but the barrel was less than 1/2 of yours, however the accuracy was great still! That Kibler is nice lookin and a great shooter! I’m looking forward to a video with you using your bp in the Kibler…please!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Working on it
@KeiPyn24 Жыл бұрын
.54 is my favorite deer caliber. I never chrony'd but can attest to the perfect balance of speed and energy. It will but down most NAmer game with authority. Boom! Awesome video.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Brandansquests23 күн бұрын
Thank you for this information.. this is the best way to learn about muzzleloaders - I really appreciate you taking the opportunity to do this research- we have a heritage muzzleloader he’s in here in Montana. I just bought one. Prior to the season. I skipped the season so that I could learn more about this. I’m trying to be an ethical hunter. 1900 ft./s with the 54 cal . Just made me drool… think elk ps you have impressive stance control- cchpop -bing!
@jaredpeterson380 Жыл бұрын
That's some pretty impressive results.
@louisianagray8618 Жыл бұрын
Wow we that is some thump happy 54 is moving thanks for the video Jake we appreciate it
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@OdoyleRules24 Жыл бұрын
That 80gr of 3f charge is friendly to the shoulder, the wallet, and very effective on deer. My colonial loves a 60gr charge of 3f swiss for up close off hand shooting 25 to 50yds or so.
@rjoetting7594 Жыл бұрын
I just ordered a Kibler Colonial two days ago, and guess what? It's 54 caliber. This should be an excellent hunting rifle, and with reduced loads, a great target rifle. I ordered the extra fancy maple 🍁 with no patch box. I'm left-handed and have a beard and didn't want to snag it in the patch box, ouch. I've done this before with my pedersoli Jaeger rifle. I'm a new subscriber and really enjoy your videos. I've had a chance to watch. Looking forward to the next one.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it. Thank you
@JaredHempfield Жыл бұрын
My first attempt at black powder was a success! Thanks!! Pieced together a lot of knowledge but your channel provided the little details that made the difference. Only had bamboo charcoal chunks from an air purifying bag but Ive made pyrolysis grapevine/stone fruit charcoal before. Have endless willow, grapevine, alder, cedar available to try next but want to try industrial hemp charcoal next. I got 1588 muzzle velocity with 80gr volume 64gr weight under my 180gr .490 ball and very accurate with a clean burn. I think I made a small jar of one F and a half lb of 5F, want to puck again with 10:1 iso and shellac.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@user-im6fy4qp6m Жыл бұрын
great science, thank you sir. im looking to pick one of these kiblers and was having trouble deciding on caliber but i think you sold me with the bigger ball
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Happy to help
@BR549-2 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. I use Fg in my 20ga fusil with shot loads. Patterns very well, but always find better loads of 2f or 3f with roundball though.
@michaeldulaney2497 Жыл бұрын
Those are some really amazing numbers, thanks for the video.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@1diggers1 Жыл бұрын
Interesting what you said about the longer barrel giving better velocity. I have a pedersoli .50 with a 36 inch barrel and always noticed how much fire and sparks come out of it. Made me wonder if the barrel was to short to burn the power well. Seems probably so.
@josephgirard9209 Жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that the most one could get from Black Powder was about 1400-1500 f.p.s. Shows how much I know. And as usual, it didn't suck.
@henryofskalitz2228 Жыл бұрын
I usually get 1744 on average with my whitworth with a 480g conical and 85g of 3f powder and with the 550g hexagonal slugs with the same powder charge I get 1698 on average
@patrickpendergast898 Жыл бұрын
I also have a .451 whitworth reproduction and my hexagonal bullet is 530gr. I’ve only shot it a few times because I forgot a bore brush and was having issues learning paper patching bullets. I haven’t chronographed it yet though. Next upgrade for my whitworth is a HI-LUX 6x brass scope to shoot long range
@patrickpendergast898 Жыл бұрын
Ive only shot my whitworth using 70gr of 3f graf and sons powder. I’ve only shot about 10 rounds through it so far but I’ve cast about 100 bullets for it
@jeffersoncarlisle3125 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video as usual! Tonight was my first shot with my home made muzzle loading propellant, using the hydraulic press pucking method. I used commercial 4f in the pan, but my Traditions Kentucky went off easily and threw the ball downrange. It isn't as powerful as commercial powder though., and the point of impact was a couple of inches lower at 30 yards I live in a very wet climate and I think I have some moisture issues. Also, the powder I'm pucking is some I mixed over a year ago. I did make my own willow charcoal for it. I'm eventually going to make a fresh batch with the 77-13-10 ratio you suggested and see if it is better. Thanks for the inspiration and guidance!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it.
@franciswashack89 Жыл бұрын
I would not hesitate to take that rifle bear hunting. Once again an excellent video.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ronrobertson593 ай бұрын
I just ordered a SMR from Kibler the colonial is next or the Fowler. I'll end buy them all anyway.
@Everythingblackpowder3 ай бұрын
Excellent
@karsonbranham3900 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, of a really nice rifle! I have a 58 cal investarms, I built from a kit, a far cry from the quality of a killer with its either collerain or green mountain barrel, but yeah, I agree 120 grns of BP is not an unordinary loading for that rifle, it could certainly take anything in N America on 4 legs with authority!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
You bet
@robgoose8126 Жыл бұрын
More colonial content please!
@howardb.728 Жыл бұрын
Just simply amazing! Nice job mate!!!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@tjh44961 Жыл бұрын
I agree, it all comes down to barrel length. From the rear view, it's hard to tell, but I didn't really see any unburned grains of powder coming out of the muzzle. As long as you're burning all the powder, the velocity should (?) continue to rise until you're leaving powder unburned and wasting that energy. But I really was surprised by those velocities. Like a lot of the other commentors, my .54 is a Hawken, with the short barrel, and is unlikely to come anywhere near those velocities. But it will be fun to find out!
@agoffgrid640 Жыл бұрын
Yah. That's amazing. Yet again, making me want to get back into bp rifles.
@johnvaness8445 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm shooting 90 grains of 2f in my 58. Groups nicely, shoots reliably. No idea about the velocity. Kibler makes Great guns!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@raymondhorvatin10508 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@trevorfitzgerald4996 Жыл бұрын
Loved it as always.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@billynomates920 Жыл бұрын
wowee - you wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of that!
@coldandaloof7166 Жыл бұрын
I like Kibler's stuff.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Me too
@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods Жыл бұрын
Yes sir looks like you got a buffalo rifle there
@kirkethridge2500 Жыл бұрын
It is amazing how much faster and cleaner the swiss powder is!! also, spit patch and load all day long! This would be a great deer or elk rifle!!!
@palavrasdoventania5371 Жыл бұрын
Neste caso o pó suíço não foi o mais rápido.
@debluetailfly Жыл бұрын
I would like that rifle! I had a used early TC 54 cal. Took it to a turkey shoot without sighting it in. Whoever got closest to the center of an X won a prize. On the first round I completely missed the target. There was a dead tree lying on the ground behind my target. I saw where my ball hit one of the limbs. It was around 2 feet to the right of the target. I picked out something an equal distance to the left of the target to aim at, and after a couple more rounds won a turkey. The guy beside me shot a 36 flintlock and had an excellent group, the best of anybody, but someone else was always a little closer to the center than him; he never won anything. The 54 was later stolen and I miss it.
@gb-bp1me10 ай бұрын
Great video, great info! Thank you!
@Everythingblackpowder10 ай бұрын
Thank you
@TUCOtheratt Жыл бұрын
I might have missed it, but what was the weight of the ball? 530 ws the diameter, right?
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Yes .530 diameter and they weigh 225gr
@kirkethridge2500 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the "patch" esp with those 2000+fps loads,,, is it staying in good shape or?? The extreme spread is better than many competitive bench rest rifles i have built/owned!!! Just plain awesome!! nice video!
@rickyburton4642 Жыл бұрын
I love mine alot 👍👍😎
@keithbozin1228 Жыл бұрын
Would like to see 2f vs 3f velocity with powder measured by weight
@mylife6453 Жыл бұрын
Great results and nice to see BTW the energy you said "hits with" is the theoretically calculated energy at the screen not at the target 100 yards away.
@thomasboylan3751 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@calvingreene90 Жыл бұрын
I suspect that the low velocity shot with the 1f Swiss powder as a result of the powder stacking particularly loosely in the measuring cup.
@jamesdenton3692Ай бұрын
Agreed , thinking trying actual weight of powder instead of weight by volume.
@thatsthewayitgoes93 ай бұрын
Like the Colonial pattern
@colinarmstrong1892 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video and I like the way you put in the work to prove what's going on. At £119 /Kilo I think I will stick with my .44 and 60gn of powder though as 100gn loads would make it more expensive to load than my .308, .303 and 6.5cm
@hazcat640 Жыл бұрын
Talk about hitting with AUTHORITY!
@jasonscott5043 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! The issue with shooting a soft brindle hardness ball, like 7 or less, is that if it is moving too fast when it hits it splats. Ideally, 1300-1400 fps is max speed you want when it hits so you get more than 10” penetration on game. Depending on your expected distance would warrant the charge. A fast ball has an adverse affect on close shots.
@jasonscott5043 Жыл бұрын
A 54 round ball doing 1300 fps will penetrate deeper than same ball doing 1600 or more.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
I’ll have to test that.
@sorshiaemms5959 Жыл бұрын
My 54 goes through a 3 1/2 inch block at 100 yrds with a 120 gr charge
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I should do a penetration test with this thing.
@Lucas-nh2mk Жыл бұрын
Wow! 😮Black Pwwer,the round ball is 232grains?
@KevinSmith-os5yz Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I had heard that you can't get bp up into the supersonic because of the burn speed, that 1250ish fps was the upper limit. Well that doesn't seem to be quite right here. Gonna have to dig a bit more.
@bendiksbendiks1859 Жыл бұрын
Very good test of Black powder. We Will know where are in this total, calculation. We Will know what level must make
@davefellhoelter1343 Жыл бұрын
DUDE! thats COOKING and at .54 some ENerGY! north of 2000fps!!! I "Wonder?" what would a "Duplex Load?" do? say 40 grns 3fffg under 60 grns ffg? or Fg just got me a chrono, so now I can know?
@krockpotbroccoli65 Жыл бұрын
Gotta love a .54 cal smoke pole.
@deucedeuce1572 Жыл бұрын
I googles the velocity of muskets, because I've never heard about how fast they shoot... and was surprised when it had 390ft/second at the lower end. That just seems like such a low speed. I just wonder how big the bullets were on the slower one's and how lethal/painful they were (or the "knock down power", because it appears that lower, slower, heavier bullets seem to have some knock down power when compared to faster, smaller bullets in some cases). I think it's because their energy is so much more efficiently transferred to the target/tissue.
@mkultraification Жыл бұрын
You sure that wasn't M/s (meters per second)? That'd make more sense. At 390ft/s, you'd be able to watch the ball fly.
@deucedeuce1572 Жыл бұрын
@@mkultraification Yeah, actually ft/sec. Was going to add meters per second to clarify, but most people don't use it, so I decided not to. Yeah, it sounds like airsoft speeds. If it's big and heavy though, then 400ft/second is definitely deadly (like slings and sling shots). Googled "speed of musket" and got.. "Firearm muzzle velocities range from approximately 120 m/s (390 ft/s) to 370 m/s (1,200 ft/s) in black powder muskets, to more than 1,200 m/s (3,900 ft/s) in modern rifles with high-velocity cartridges such as the . 220 Swift and..."...
@kennethschaidle5995 Жыл бұрын
FYI; On the first shot with 1F the video seems to show a significantly muzzle flash. Like some unburnt powder exited the barrel. Might have something to do with the lower velocity on that shot. My own 54 with a 32-inch barrel starts to have muzzle flash at about 120 with 2F. Just a thought but why only that one shot? I have no idea.
@kluper11579 ай бұрын
Leave the 1f for big balls but l love the 80 Grain 3 f Load! Boo ya! crazy!! Thank you!!!
@thetraveler5798 Жыл бұрын
Impressive very Impressive.!! 😳🧐👍 😊🤙✅✅✅
@BackwoodsBonding Жыл бұрын
😳WHOA! That big ole chunk of lead is COOKIN! That should knock the taste outta the mouth of whatever it hits. I've been looking at them Kibler's for a while and I'm leaning towards the .54 Woodsrunner. I just wonder how much lighter it is than the .45 or .50 .
@mikediedrich8786 Жыл бұрын
have you ever tried the kibbler southern mountain in 45 cal. love kibbler
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Yes I own one. It’s a fine rifle
@petergosden23903 ай бұрын
Yup, they are fast. The faster the less deviation over the same range. The Brown Bess with its 3/4" bore clocked over 1800fps with the full military load. Had to take down a horse as well as a man. And in the British army the highest fps till the first bolt action with brass case and .303" bore. It can be a surprise to many.
@Everythingblackpowder3 ай бұрын
The brown Bess velocity was 1800? Are you sure about that?
@petergosden12 ай бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder First let me say how much I enjoy and follow your videos. Refreshingly honest and practical. I watch every one. The 1800fps is from memory, it surprised me at the time. I don't think I am wrong. The British powder was the finest quality, surpassing the French of the 18th Century, and the full military load was mean. In paper cartridges. The ball end could be lubricated. ( In India they made some use of buckshot cartridges, I suspect for policing duties.). In India the balls were cast then rolled between iron plates to make them perfectly round. Precision was everything, with special paper and the powder and black flints coming from England. The data comes from the now rare 4 large volumes of UK David Harding's Firearms of the East India Company from the 16th Century to the mid-19th. Covers everything from design, manufacturers, performance, etc, etc, etc. An incredible work. All data came directly from the EIC records still existing in London. They kept every bit of paper. And the armies in India conducted extensive research into the use of their arms for both accuracy and reliability. All records are there. David and experienced shooters did practical tests to replicate the records. A good friend loaded his Pedersoli reproduction BB with the full load of a mix of Swiss 2 and 3 and fired at 50 yards into a railway sleeper. Went straight through. The soft lead was barely distorted. Known to pass through one enemy and continue into those behind if it didn't hit metal or bone. Again from memory I believe, from their trialing, David considered the British Waltham Abbey powder to be between Swiss 2 and 3. And it was intended for kill or severely injure both man and horse. The horse is too frequently forgotten. Please keep doing what you are doing. Peter.
@Everythingblackpowder2 ай бұрын
@@petergosden1 thank you, but it’s not 1800fps.
@noahmercy-mann4323 Жыл бұрын
I run 90 grains 3F in my 54 cal Lyman GPR (yea, I know...pedestrian rifle, but one day I'll get my Sharon fullstock finished😉) & it shoots lights out. Velocity's good enough that I wouldn't hesitate to poke an elk with it at 125 yards. Several guys told me I should use 2F, but when I showed up at the local match and scored higher than them, their advice kinda' withered on the vine. Bottom line: feed your firearm what it likes to eat.
@STMwoodturning Жыл бұрын
Amazed at the consistency with the 120 grain 2F load. Was there much difference in recoil between the loads?
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Yes the 120gr load was definitely more stout
@keithmoore5306 Жыл бұрын
hell i didn't know anybody had 1f in the country!! and those numbers both 1f and 3f i'd hunt with it!! a 120 grains is reasonable but i'd stop at 135 maybe a 140 myself! are you using alloy and if so 20 to 1 or 12 to 1 alloy? the guns i've had in the past i noticed some liked a 20 to 1 and others liked 12 to 1 better!
@user-im6fy4qp6m Жыл бұрын
maybe if you get a chance and can spare the powder, could you conduct the same test again but for accuracy on paper and group size? one thing i have noticed with my 50 cal percussion rifle is that the higher the charge goes, the more the groups open up. i actually get the best accuracy at about 65 grains, but if i were to take it hunting i would probably load it up to 80 or 90
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
I got the best group with 80gr of 3F
@h-minus2212 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the excellent content and your observations. When you develop a load for a particular black powder rifle, what are the performance measures you are looking for - accuracy, knock-down power, something else - and does economy (80 grains vs 120 grains) ever come into play? Thank you again for the fine content.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
It depends the rifle. My first priority is accuracy, regardless of caliber and after that is knock down power. For example if I’m hunting rabbits I’m not going to need my 54 charged with 120gr (not that it wouldn’t do the trick) When I could use my 45 loaded with 40gr. But either one won’t matter if it’s not and accurate load.
@h-minus2212 Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder Thank you, Sir. I am new to muzzleloading and you seem to be a bit more cognizant of ballistics, than the other channels I follow. My .58 smoothbore arrived today and a .54 will be arriving in a few months. I will be developing loads for small game, wild turkey, and whitetail deer and will consider accuracy my first standard. Thank you again for the thoughtful and timely reply.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Happy to help
@allthingsconsidered3211 Жыл бұрын
How many grains do the 54cal round balls weigh? Might have missed it, but that’s got some boogy. Hell yea You have the best range cheer leaders. I love it when my buddies / dad get all excited and want to shoot it too
@ixb1 Жыл бұрын
230 gr
@ernestwhite2989 Жыл бұрын
Been shooting blackpowder guns since 1970 never cared about speed but where it would hit.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
If I missed every target I would say the same thing 😉
@jcox328 Жыл бұрын
I have a question off topic… what kind of grinder do you use to grind you powder pucks? Thanks. Love your videos!!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
A grain grinder from Amazon
@TexasLeverGunner Жыл бұрын
I have a Colonial in 58 that I built. It's a nice rifle but it's definitely not my favorite... I find it hard to shoot. I've thought about cutting it down into a canoe gun.
@thenogoodniks8673 Жыл бұрын
Impressive performance did you build that kibler from a kit?
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
I bought it from a friend that built it from a kit.
@thenogoodniks8673 Жыл бұрын
@Everything Black Powder right on that's cool. Glad its working out nicely. I just finished a pedersoli Pennsylvania kit builds from Dixie gun works. That's my winter time hobby here kn central alberta canada. I typically build one gun a winter. I really enjoy your channel thanks
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
@@thenogoodniks8673 glad to hear it. Thank you
@murphy4yt Жыл бұрын
Beautiful rifle, interesting test. Thanks. When you were shooting the 1f, did you prime your pan t also? Pretty impressive locktime.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
No I used 3f to prime
@GustavoCastillaEtherDreams Жыл бұрын
ELK TIME !!!! Have you tried heavier charges?
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Not yet
@jameswill1862 Жыл бұрын
Great video Sir, any chance you can do a video on different primer powders? and what do you use the most, Thanks,,jim
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Sure but I make a habit of priming from the horn
@slabbedasken9422 Жыл бұрын
Thank You for the content of Your vids. Very enjoyable, I download it all. Bp shooter myself, but getting old. I would like Your opinion on this: My model P 1873 cal. 45 Colt has Chambers mouths generous enough to allow me to drop a 457,458 bullet throgh. The barrel i 452. Oh forgot to say, it,s a first generasjon gun made in the 80's. It Will not shoot well, of course. It's Brother, made in 1889 has perfekt dimensions, an shot good enough to win a Split gold "thingy" as a team, my cousin an I. In Norway, National bp few years back. Suppleres are thin here. I'm thinking of possibility of hollow based slugs, for the wide open old Colt. Probably I should leave it in peace, but can't. Any suggestions? Respektfullt, Stan.
@snappers_antique_firearms Жыл бұрын
Wow that is screaming for that caliber.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
We thought so too
@AndyTheCornbread Жыл бұрын
A 220-ish grain ball going very close to 2100fps, man you could take some serious big game with that should you ever decide to do so.
@inglwud5625 Жыл бұрын
Do you use any other kind of bullets besides the round ball? Would be interested to see what velocity you could get from different shapes and weights.
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Just round ball so far
@FlintlockOperator Жыл бұрын
How much slower velocities would you expect to see with the .58 caliber version of this rifle?
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
If I had to take a guess, something around 200fps with the same powder charge.
@FlintlockOperator Жыл бұрын
@@Everythingblackpowder Thank you! I've been wanting to get this kit for a while and I'm still deciding if I should get the .54 or .58 caliber model.
@richardsims1805 Жыл бұрын
That is one screamer of a rifle and powder loads. Still using Dawn 50% and water for cleaning?
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
Yes
@Diogenes4253 ай бұрын
Now, how’s about some “ accuracy” loading info on your flinters ?
@BugsBunny-st8lf Жыл бұрын
Please let me know what you use as Primimg Powder... And where do you place the Primimg Powder... To the right, left or just fill it up right in the middle? You ignition is faster then mine...although a Kibler Colonial...
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
I always prime with the same powder I’m loading with. It’s important not to use too much. You don’t want to cover the touch hole with powder, that will slow your ignition down.
@joedenman727 Жыл бұрын
You’re pretty pumped up with the colonial. Do you think barrel length or twist rate or both?
@richardcox2229 Жыл бұрын
Just curious !! How many shots out of you SMR 45 was there before you started seeing a pattern hold ? I’m shooting .020 patch material(lubed) with 60gr. Schutzen 3f and a .440 Hornady round ball and not getting that great of pattern !! Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
@Everythingblackpowder Жыл бұрын
For competitions and hunting critters bigger than rabbits and ground squirrels. I typically use 50gr 3F Swiss, lubed .020 pillow ticking patch and a .440 hornady swagged round ball. I would try lowering you powder charge to 40-50gr. Are you swabbing your barrel every three shots or so? If not, give that a try.