56. Taylor Swift, Exes, & Public Drama

[@karenwong3170]

Best to ask for separate bills when ordering, especially with a group that are not close friends. Amazed that no one offered any appetizer to Natalie.

[@houalailee191]

Um no. Literally makes no sense that they didnt share their appitizers and you didnt get drinks, yet they expected you to split the bill evenly with them. NOPE, that made me so mad. I would have said something and if that ended the friendship then bye lol

[@nicholebaldwin1332]

Yeah, their behavior was super selfish.

[@raeraemillstone]

Then the girl checking the bill and that did not cue them that Natalie didnt get any extras!

[@neuman_adventures]

😂 Natalie, if you ever find a lesbian version of yourself out in the world, please let me know! Your vacation lifestyle and values are 😍. Also, being direct isn't 'mean', it's being real AF and eliminates interpersonal confusion. 🔥

[@ShannonMorse]

Natalie, you would've loved my trip to Japan last week. My and my friends were waking up at 6am and hitting shrines and temples before anyone else was there, and we ate dinner at 5-6pm, had a beer and went to bed. I take full advantage of my trips!

[@NoahDeLong]

@Snubs? It's like passing someone you see at one coffee shop regularly in a completely different coffee shop today LOL.

[@ceciliaramos7604]

Greetings from Brazil... I've been listening to you guys while working from home :) love it!

[@TheatregalsMusic]

Love you guys! Re the TS Topic - She never received a formal apology from Kim so she absolutely has the right to still bring up old drama because KK goes about her life as if nothing has happened (referenced in the song.) and Taylor is left having to reinvent herself to save her career (and come back stronger than ever). Also Matty Healy wasn't exactly a situationship. They have been really close friends for over a decade and did date in the past. He's always been known to her as the one who got away and were finally able to try dating once their relationship status lined up. When you listen to several lyrics she referenced them talking about getting married and having kids and then he ghosted her. So not only did she lose someone who she fell in love with but she also lost her best friend. It makes total sense that her break up with Matty Healy was much harder than Joe because her relationship with Joe has been dying for years.

[@andidyar5842]

LOL You guys are my favorite. I saw a reel the other day that said for every soft, gentle, kind girl, God made a mean bestie for you and you just need to find her. Your mean bestie will stand up for you and keep others from hurting you or taking advantage of you. So if you're a soft, gentle, kind girl - go out and find your mean bestie. LOL

[@Unknown-kx7sl]

I'm so tired of my mean bf pattern

[@Unknown-kx7sl]

but i think she is a good friend

[@Unknown-kx7sl]

not toxic

[@veggiemojo]

That dinner situation was wrong. There's no way they don't realize that.

[@lenanayashkova]

I have very mixed feelings on dinner splitting. Feel like in my life there's been a lot of people that rush to pay for the whole thing when you're out with them and it makes me super uncomfortable - feels like a power and control move. I also feel like I don't really want to pay for the whole thing myself because I am trying to be responsible and budget, I also feel very awkward about them doing it since why should they pay for my stuff. The splittong sometimes is uncomfortable too because people don't often have the exact same attitude to food and drinks so how can you really do it if someone had one cheap main and someone is having expesive main plus starter/dessert and drinks. My view is that people should stop forcing their preference on others and try and be empathetic

[@raeraemillstone]

Feel the same!

[@TrueSamuraiHero]

People who say let’s divide everything and pay the same (at a restaurant) either suck at math, taking advantage of friends, or ignorant CHANGE my mind

[@VeggiesbyEos]

YESSS omg

[@matthewhardy5610]

Completely agree!!!

[@j_me]

I think it's only ok if you know everyone well & also know that everyone has similar spending/eating/drinking habits LOL (so maybe like never?)

[@TrueSamuraiHero]

@@j_me fair point

[@hello15world]

Or generous

[@skdragon7997]

The restaurant thing has happened to me and always with people I don't know very well. I usually get itemized bills with my friends because I'm a picky eater and on a budget (postgrad life). But when I split, we all make sure that everyone has shared food so that it's fair.

[@hdohertyr]

I still am bitter about a friends birthday party where everyone said to split the bill and I only had my meal and one drink... i ended up paying triple what I ordered... I am down for splitting when you can clearly see what was ordered was shared and similar to everyone at the table.

[@macymiller3417]

I’d be so mad. It’s just them wanting their stuff for cheaper and making you chip in for it. If they don’t have money for all their drinks and stuff they should not be indulging. SO frustrating!

[@raquelmartins7829]

Qq​@@macymiller3417

[@esthersim9216]

The appetizers should be shared if the check is being split evenly. I’ve been in a situation where I went to a small baby shower dinner with most people I don’t even know. For the record I do not drink alcohol and everyone at the table did, even the pregnant lady had a glass of wine 🍷 They ordered multiple wine bottles and other alcoholic drinks and they wanted the check to be split equally. It wasn’t fair for me but I didn’t want to make it a big deal and paid but I felt some type of way. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@basiccaucasian6234]

I’ve never seen people order apps and not share them at a group dinner. Even if I wanted to keep mine, which of course I do sometimes, I understand it’s just part of the price of admission for eating out with people. And then to let some of it go to waste instead of offering it to other people is foul. My friends/family won’t even start eating until everyone who ordered food has food. The sheer lack of consideration for other people is frankly crazy. I’ve also not been to a dinner wherein someone didn’t call out that another person in the group only had a salad or whatever when splitting the bill evenly came up. Life’s too short to dine with people with shit manners.

[@Saywhatchaknow]

I really enjoy your podcast. It really does feel like talking to my best friends. Keep it going girls!

[@cinnamons2962]

The way my blood pressure is so high right now knowing the dinner party didn’t share apps and then had the check split. 😮😮😮 bad vibes those are the worst kind of people and I just know they weren’t POC lmaoooo

[@Iz44486]

Right! POC always share food and are never stingy with money

[@cinnamons2962]

@@Iz44486 in personal life, and having been a server for years, hard agree!!

[@racheljane_]

Why? The only people I have been around that have behaved in this way have been POC, so opposite experience. Lol. Honestly, white people are a lot more likely to not split and only pay for their own stuff. That is the most common format. I have never been in a situation with white people where they have not wanted to share food and wanted to split the check when they ordered way more.

[@lmsmith015]

I was older than my ex in high school. I once asked him, "If you dated someone from your grade, who would it be?" (a toxic question to ask, I know, but I was 17.) He answered with one girl, and I said, "Really? I could see you with [different girl]." He scrunched up his nose and thought my answer was weird. He's now married to and has kids with that girl.

[@Debra_Jenn]

Taylors feud with Kim started in 2016. Still years ago, but nowhere near 15 😂

[@janealupe9259]

I think she meant the Kanye incident?? When he originally called her out. Cause that was in 2009.

[@wholesomevibez]

fav podcast 🤍

[@sialaterbye]

Ayyyyy it's out before midnight!!! TYTYTY! ❤❤❤

[@therafreeborn9871]

Kanye and Kim were not together when he jumped on the VMA stage and ruined Taylor’s moment. He was with Amber Rose at that time

[@Jimbo54]

Greetings from Italy. You have a bestie here. You guys are great

[@lifeofcait9891]

Dinner etiquette is such a huge thing but I feel like the lines are easily blurred! How dare they not sure their appetizers!! But I am living, breathing proof that sometimes going on trips with your friends and not having the same mindset about money, definitely causes riffs platonic relationships. I am also Deepti in that I am very financially generous and love to cover my friends when they can’t afford something, which does not align with going on trips with people who do not have the same money mindset.

[@ningyding]

My favorite is when you’re on the white couch with the little shelf and plant behind you. Is that Natalie’s apt?

[@TrueSamuraiHero]

Going out to eat I never do let’s all pay the same. 1. I order one drink when they order two or more 2. Not paying $4-$6 for a share appetizer that I got a small bite of something or didn’t eat When I get an appetizer, I say “I will pay for this appetizer (like nachos) and it’s to share”

[@VTheDramaQueen]

bring chelsea on the podcast!!!

[@mihoiimuro]

Natalie! you have to let us know how did you end up at the horrible dinner lol I’m so curious how that happened.

[@paullonj]

Deept..what brand do you use ..mouth tape?

[@jacquelinehell8617]

Regarding dinner etiquette: In my circle it is pretty normal to order personal appetizers. But that’s because I’m a vegetarian and already know I won’t be sharing what most people order. However, I 100% am all about only paying for my food. Heck no I will not be splitting dinner 6 ways. Especially when my meal is the cheapest. Absolutely not. Regarding Taylor Swift: the phone call was like 7 years ago not 15. Lol. Regardless, PTSD doesn’t have a time limit. I have ptsd from something a manger did to me 15+ years ago. And to this day I get upset about it. I wish I could see her again and blast her for all the things I was too afraid to say back then. And I assume it’s the same with Taylor Swift. Kim K is one of the most famous people in the world. And the way her following went after Taylor really tore her down. She moved to another country and went in exile. I’m sure she has written several other songs over the years about Kim but has been too afraid to release them, worried her past will repeat itself, and that the haters will push her into exile again. But now that she is queen B herself, she probably finally had the guts to release something about Kim (but at the same time she still played it really safe. I wish it was a more direct diss track. Instead she actually thanks Kim for bullying her. Lol. Come on girl, you don’t mean that 😂)

[@The-Wrights]

I'm not mean, but I will hold people accountable and do it with truth. Okay, maybe I am mean sometimes 😂 but I purpose to be a good person! I'll definitely speak up for those who can't or are uncomfortable doing so.

[@Pink_Torch]

I would never order an appetizer if I was the only one eating it?? That's way too much food to eat alone and super wasteful. People are very weird.

[@p.s.1704]

How is it being "a very specific traveler" when you like to do sightseeing and don't party much?

[@marvelouschaos]

For creeping on exes, my bf only has 2 exes, one passed away and one is super friendly we talk sometimes and hang out (he knows, he is still friends with her, they dated young).

[@emilieallen5654]

I could be wrong but I think loml is about matty healy

[@yellowbmblbee]

Not sharing food with a hangry participant is just asking for a Housewives of NJ, Theresa table flip!

[@veronicaperalta3639]

Thank you Aimee was a double diss, it was for Kim but also Aimee who bullied her when she was younger

[@noramakeup7595]

In think appetizers should put in the middle for everybody to share and dip into.. also drinks are a must.. greetings from Saudi Arabia

[@IzzyBee87]

If you are going to order yourself an appetizer - you pay for it! Splitting the whole meal that was not shared is wrong. They did you dirty Natalie! :(

[@nataliatorrez9076]

oh girls, you have all the facts about the Taylor-Kim situation so wrong

[@vineshreemoodley9597]

But you yourself said you didn't know the people at the table. I wouldn't be keen to share my appetizers with people I didn't know well. And often there is something I really want on the menu. But when you share appetizers, I've often been in a position where I didn't even get to taste what I specifically wanted because it was finished. Or its finished by the time I want more. I want my own appetizer.

[@Katoushka526]

I don't think she is reviving, Kim K recently posted something about her dancing.

[@MyNameCourtney]

the Kim stuff happened in 2016? Kimye was not married in 09 .... lol

[@aleah_2933]

Pod besties ❤❤❤

[@matthewhardy5610]

"You have the right," but you must accept the consequences, whether good, bad, or indifferent.

[@raeraemillstone]

I don't care for Kim or Taylor. They are one on the same to me BUT I love you guyssss

[@fa6568]

Did Taylor make a song about Kanye as well? Because I think he deserves a song at least…

[@g.d.2059]

My group of friends, we all share apps and one person would usually pay for everything and I just venmo them what I ordered.

[@44nk96]

Taylor is like a 14-year-old girl trapped in a 34-year-old woman’s body.

[@saabviggen00]

None of this is relateable. I don't creep on exes, I ALWAYS split the tab evenly with friemds, and TS sucks. I have a life and a college degree, so it's not that math is hard, and GOOD taste in music. TS speaks to 14 yr old girls

[@michelehuarte]

I know it’s very common to creep on our significant others exes buuuut I think I have the gift of good bye lol! I purposely don’t/ haven’t done that creeped or looked. Not because I think I’m hot stuff but because I don’t think it would be beneficial to my mental health and would probably create scenarios in my head I don’t need to have 🫠