Nick Rocco and his wife raise funds for Free Karen Read. Choose better guests, please, CourtTV.
@jennifercockfield32187 ай бұрын
@@2bcYTVinnie made that pretty clear, so what’s the problem?
@heatherbowlan19617 ай бұрын
Thanks Vinnie for keeping us up on these top news , even tho I’m a Canadian, love your news 😊, God Bless you and your family.
@LadyLuck137 ай бұрын
@@2bcYTwhy does that make him a bad guest? They've got people on different sides putting their points across which is the fair way to do things, is it not?
@ScratchCatReikiASMR7 ай бұрын
The amount of “butt dials” and phones in this case conveniently destroyed before they were to be turned in is just too many to discount and ignore. Especially… the SIM card and phone discarded in a military base in separate garbages? Come on.
@chops26167 ай бұрын
Ridiculkus
@secondrule7 ай бұрын
To me, that's reasonable doubt, if i was on the jury.
@135incorporated97 ай бұрын
The butt dials are code to use their burner phones to talk.
@CJ-pr5np7 ай бұрын
Why was Collin Albert no where to be seen for weeks ? Why did the owners of home (Albert’s) not come out of house after a dead cop was found on their lawn ? Why did they sell their house? Why redo the basement floor? Why did they get rid of their dog ? Why is Jennifer McCabe lying so much on the stand ?
@chops26167 ай бұрын
This so much !
@sierramcclary28977 ай бұрын
Where are y’all getting information that Colin Albert was no where to be found for weeks
@secondrule7 ай бұрын
And so defensive? I can understand her saying "i think she hit him, she was tipsy, it must have been an accident"... most friends would assume no one would do it on purpose as the state is charging. Usually, in my experience, when a person is so adamant about something happening WHICH they did not witness, it could be she hates Karen and wants to bury her, she's protecting someone else from blame, She's a shill for the state.
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
There is literally pictures of Colin looking totally normal on 2/7 at a party. Police were already there on a crime scene. If they walked up to the crime scene y’all would be yelling they planted evidence. Smart of them to stay away. People sell homes every day and no one will buy a house with a leak in the basement 🤦🏻♀️
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
Dog bit a neighbor and they had the choice of put the dog down or rehome. They made the right choice. Jen knows Karen is responsible for the witness intimidation campaign. She’s pissed and I would be too.
@Mommin_Aint_Eazy7 ай бұрын
53 witnesses who have only helped the defense. Honestly, it's freaking wild!!!!
@ajwysopal7 ай бұрын
9:20 CLEAR SOME FACTS UP..... well your facts are wrong.... It was 11+ft onto the lawn....not 5-6ft like this dude in video claims Also the google search is solid... 230am.time stamps
@MakeupMobster7 ай бұрын
How do you inadvertently call someone while you’re sleeping at 2am??? That makes absolutely no sense mad whatsoever.
@bethpatriots72907 ай бұрын
The Israeli corporation that reported that data is related to defense team so the data is likely false
@kristyyy5697 ай бұрын
They weren’t sleeping. Party was just winding down
@fred77697 ай бұрын
The only way you can at 2 AM, by having intimate sex with your SO. DUH!
@secondrule7 ай бұрын
@@kristyyy569 Relisten to the testimony... one of the butt-dialers testified he was in BED with his phone in his bed with him (who sleeps in bed with a phone? That's what night tables are for) when the butt dialed happen.
@secondrule7 ай бұрын
So the party is winding down, people still there, people leaving, but NOOOO ONNNNEEEE saw a big 6'2" 240 lb man on the ground.
@josephfelix25887 ай бұрын
I also am amused that non of these " detectives" know nothing about phones
@nerdswag20667 ай бұрын
Injuries don’t match hit and run. And an accident is not 1st degree murder.
@cassies55017 ай бұрын
It’s a wonder this case even made it to court when a houseful of cops literally collected “evidence” in red solo cups. Not a single person saw John as they left the party? How could every single person at that party walk by the dead man? Why didn’t the snow plow driver see him? Why were the pieces of taillight all found on separate days? All after the area had been searched by other people? Why was the house never searched? Why did they allow so many cell phones to just disappear, these are cops they would know they would be needed for an investigation! No wonder the FBI got involved, this department is corrupt
@Snowwhit311047 ай бұрын
Exactly
@shcl33297 ай бұрын
Justice for John O'keefe🙏, who is the true victim!
@user-nj9db2tg9w7 ай бұрын
An injustice is happening for Karen read . She is a victim as well. Two things can be true at once. 😊
@sierramcclary28977 ай бұрын
@@user-nj9db2tg9w no she isn’t a victim.
@charleslaurice7 ай бұрын
John knew way too much about the corruption the O’Keefe’s in the Commonwealth that’s what got him murdered not run over by a car
@nobodysfool27507 ай бұрын
@@sierramcclary2897make it make sense please
@dansloan42426 ай бұрын
That b*tch is 100% guilty! Maybe not of first-degree murder, but she definitely hit him!
@catherinemorgan90027 ай бұрын
Anyone one who gave false statements needs to be charged w perjury....
@Gidget_Lynn7 ай бұрын
I was so shocked when they dropped that bombshell that it was snowing the night of the incident. I didn't even belive it until they said it 10 more times. 🌨❄️
@katrinat.30327 ай бұрын
It’s part of the time line
@aamantium17 ай бұрын
Came to make some comments. Went through yours. Turns out, you already made them for me. Best friends?
@Gidget_Lynn7 ай бұрын
@@aamantium1 high five!!!
@syrahjayne7 ай бұрын
More like 110 times
@aamantium17 ай бұрын
@@Gidget_Lynn there's so much room in here for activities!
@calico-kat-mom62047 ай бұрын
There is too much reasonable doubt in this case. Having been on 4 juries, I do not think I could sentence her. I would say not guilty.
@SockChecked7 ай бұрын
It’ll probably be a hung jury resulting in a mistrial by the end of this case.
@tamarinbush66137 ай бұрын
@@SockCheckedin the beginning I felt the Prosecution overcharged her with 1st degree murder. I feel like it may have been a hit and run because she was intoxicated. I still feel she was intoxicated but with everything coming out at the trial….. First off never would have found her guilty on 1st degree. No one leaving the party saw a man lying in the lawn? He wasn’t completely covered in snow at that time. No one in that house comes outside to see what is going on? No one asks questions? They had security cameras that were not on at the time? One of the guests sees Karen pull up. But no one sees John get out of the car? No one sees Karen leave? There are just too many questions that I couldn’t convict.
@SockChecked7 ай бұрын
@@tamarinbush6613 I agree, a 1st degree murder charge has too much weight especially given the circumstances of the investigation. Perhaps they would have had better luck with involuntary manslaughter. It’s not even the defense’s case yet and there is still not enough to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution is doing a terrible job coupled with a faulty investigation and they need to fix their case, and fast, because the burden rests entirely on their shoulders, not the defense.
@imalwaysright887 ай бұрын
I thought it’s second degree murder. That’s still over charge. Too much reasonable doubt
@tamarinbush66137 ай бұрын
@@imalwaysright88 no they are charging her with 1st degree intentional homicide
@juliepeterson66397 ай бұрын
Dog bites! I had a few working at an incredible Veterinary Hospital. This is an animal injury at best. The head injury, black eyes, nose and mouth bleeding are human inflicted.
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
Wow 🤯 how dense can one be? The evidence against Karen is overwhelming at this point and people like you refuse to believe any evidence
@rebelrose13857 ай бұрын
@@sarasmilesco8551 lmfao there is not a single piece of overwhelming evidence against her🤣
@rebelrose13857 ай бұрын
As a former vet tech who worked in vet med for 13yrs, the arms are DEFINITELY animal related.
@andywrollo29157 ай бұрын
@@rebelrose1385Warerwolf 😂
@tashiaredd34217 ай бұрын
@@sarasmilesco8551 overwhelming?!! 😂 Can you give at least 5 pieces of “overwhelming” evidence against Karen proving she’s guilty? I know I can give at least 5 proving she’s NOT guilty.
@Nancyg5317 ай бұрын
They aren’t calling Trooper Proctor, but defense will… the prosecution doesn’t want defense to cross examine Proctor… it’s definitely a strategic move.
@MichelleWhite-rb9hn7 ай бұрын
Hope they call proctor
@marypeck8877 ай бұрын
He's under a Brady investigation due to a screw up on other cases and one was to due with a missing woman who ended up dead and husband is guilty
@MichelleWhite-rb9hn7 ай бұрын
@@marypeck887oh wow that's crazy.. thats not thr swift case is it ?
@lindafinch15207 ай бұрын
@@MichelleWhite-rb9hn Proctor is being investigated by the FBI in the Karen Read case and the Sandra Birchmore case. DA Morissey and officers Higgins and Lank are also being investigated in both case. Sandra Birchmore case is horiffic.
@jamesbuttery38627 ай бұрын
He'll just plead the 5th
@SHADOWBLACKs6507 ай бұрын
That's a very good point.... " how did the broken red tail light pieces wind up on the grass instead of on the street? "
@DumbBlack7 ай бұрын
From a plow throwing snow onto the lawn.
@Yellodaise137 ай бұрын
Street plow pushing the snow from the road up onto the curb/grass
@SHADOWBLACKs6507 ай бұрын
@jenbabe1796 that's possible, but not all of the pieces... the plow is not going to put everything up on the lawn.
@Yellodaise137 ай бұрын
@@SHADOWBLACKs650 they only searched a certain block of feet. Basically the surrounding area where John’s body was found. They didn’t search the street.
@SHADOWBLACKs6507 ай бұрын
@@Yellodaise13 they found his sneaker in the street.
@evilqueenyiayia7 ай бұрын
I want Trooper Proctor on the stand. !!!
@nobodysfool27507 ай бұрын
Or proctor trooper 😂😂
@FanKidsMom7 ай бұрын
Sounds like he'll be on next week!
@chrystalmcatee62243 ай бұрын
Troopa Procta
@mandystone30057 ай бұрын
Oh Colin Albert said he scraped his knuckles when he fell and stopped his fall with his knuckles such unbelievable BS
@glee210127 ай бұрын
How come no fibers from his clothes on broken taillight or vehicle?
@MizzTH-G7 ай бұрын
They were all so drunk I’m amazed they can remember anything
@catherinetierney48347 ай бұрын
Well you saw today what she had to drink and her size that many drinks in the span of 3hrs !! All these people making money off of this case are starting to get a little worried
@JoexWalsh7 ай бұрын
Luckily the witnesses remember everything the prosecution asks... they only forget the things the defense asks!
@Lorn2Booze7 ай бұрын
@@JoexWalshcross-exam-insia
@debrashawcross1707 ай бұрын
Jennifer McCabe Deleted a heap of texts and call logs that morning. However it was her 2 27 am Google search that Exposed them all. Truth and Transparency YT Channel has all the info.
@ILoveWoolerbear7 ай бұрын
Right ! They CAN'T and neither can KR. She was so plastered and it's a miracle she didn't hit and kill other people with her drunk driving. 98 lbs with enough booze in her system for a 200 lb man.
@debbiepatrick3997 ай бұрын
I think some of those testifying should get time for lying under oath
@orchidsluv7 ай бұрын
Agree
@GPDogDrool7 ай бұрын
I think a whole lot of jobs & pensions should go bye-bye!
@hughholt1217 ай бұрын
I think you need to prove anyone lied on the stand . The Yanetti BS of the cops did it will fade into dust.
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
I think Karen read should go to prison for murder.
@ker57767 ай бұрын
Omg the people that think Karen did this? STOP! Look at the guys face and arm . That tells the whole story
@aniello46337 ай бұрын
Gullible 😮
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
She is guilty and will be found guilty. You stop.
@tashiaredd34217 ай бұрын
@@sarasmilesco8551PROVE IT!!
@Whatnok7 ай бұрын
Not guilty. They beat him off when a scuffle got out of hand and they accidentally killed him when they knocked him across the head. They planted the evidence the dog defended the owner or they made the scratch makes w a knife afterwards. They got rid of the dig snd the house snd cleaned the house planted evidence in the lab and the grass etc etc etc delete all phones. Not random . Disgusting ‼️
@lisamcfarland85187 ай бұрын
His face was hit by his hand blocking the car, the glass they showed him leaving with cut his arm. Deal with it. Alcoholism and denial go hand in hand. She admitted she did not see him go in the house.
@debereisinger30577 ай бұрын
Auntie Bev needs to zip a lip and let the lawyers try the case!! And the CONSTANT interruptions and sidebars! Those poor jurors! And NO ONE believes Jen McCabe!
@BoxerClover7 ай бұрын
like any of the 🐢klan give a f_c_ about the jurors- let alone john o'keefe .
@hope71447 ай бұрын
Aunt Bev! LOL.. She should have recused herself ! She is so annoying !!1
@tcreative80307 ай бұрын
Sidebars are important during trials. What do you know? Clearly very little. I 100% believe Jen.
@daddyboy35467 ай бұрын
I’m not sure you comprehend the role of a judge. There are complex legal questions that need to be resolved out of the jury’s presence. It’s the lawyers-both sides- that prompt the sidebars not the judge.
@yogabee22227 ай бұрын
But her taillight was there on the video and injuries don't seem to add up 😕
@Pauli19847 ай бұрын
Can someone talk about the homeowner offering Proctor a gift and then he said just get something for his wife.
@DeniseHonest7 ай бұрын
I know. That’s insane!
@l-train78767 ай бұрын
Can someone talk about Proctor admitting in his texts that he was looking for nudes in Karen’s phone? He’s a POS.
@BoxerClover7 ай бұрын
nah.
@evilqueenyiayia7 ай бұрын
That wouldn't start a Federal Investigation. 👀
@catherinetierney48347 ай бұрын
😢
@debkozisek38997 ай бұрын
The clothes have puncture marks, nothing from the undercarriage could have caused that
@rainaeasley78637 ай бұрын
You’re an expert?
@truonglw96137 ай бұрын
And you are ?
@stevenprice69577 ай бұрын
Could have it been the glass in his hand that shattered on impact ?
@JAJJABLOG7 ай бұрын
@@rainaeasley7863 FBI ARE INTELLIGENT ONES.. they’ve said he wasn’t hit by a car.
@editordaniellemarie7 ай бұрын
@@rainaeasley7863 so far the state has not provided any expert testimony about this so we're free to speculate
@CJ-pr5np7 ай бұрын
Why did the police not go inside the Albert home where the party was when a dead person was found on their lawn that they were socializing earlier that evening with? Why did a family friend who is a cop interview them at the police station?
@faithr51767 ай бұрын
The defense impeached each witness that claimed she said “I hit him, I hit him, I hit him” or “I did this, it’s all my fault “, not one of those witnesses are credible… even if they are all in sync. The jury should only go by the first statements they made and the statements on their reports, which NOT ONE of those witnesses put that in a report or even mentioned that before speaking with Proctor. Also not mentioned here is that only 4 small pieces of the tail light were found by the search team, the rest of the tail lights were found when a trooper drove by, or in undocumented searches up to 3 weeks after John’s body was found… and 2 of those pieces were found by Proctor. We are still in the Prosecutions case and the defense has brought up reasonable doubt with everything they have presented. The defenses haven’t even started their case or brought on their witnesses and experts.
@dawnmills67557 ай бұрын
The taillight pieces weren't found all at once because they were sitting under several inches of snow. They couldn't all be found until the snow completely melted.
@Yellodaise137 ай бұрын
Who determined that…you?!? 😂😂😂 get out of here
@melodieshimon7 ай бұрын
Karen and her attorney at the very beginning of all this admitted it was a accident …. Get real
@evydarling7 ай бұрын
Most phones have a setting to prevent butt dials. A 2013 excuse in 2024, gmab.🙄
@fred77697 ай бұрын
There was reason for Karen to think John was dead. She knew there was no way John would have to stay out and not come home without telling his niece and nephew. They had already tragically lost their parents and wouldn’t make them worry like that.
@annm95897 ай бұрын
This is exactly why she knew something happened and worried he could be dead. she is going to worst case scenario which if she is Irish-American is exactly what we do. I do not think this practice of JOK texting his neice and always coming home because of abandonment issues has not come into court. Hopefully defense will find a way to do so because it even seemed odd to me she woke up the niece until we know he would have texted her if something odd was happening and he was coming home in the morning.
@lynngallagher74567 ай бұрын
You don’t have to go flying for your shoe to come off first of all second of all if you got hit by a car backing up and he was bent over that could totally do that to his arm… They did dog DNA testing there wasn’t any how about that though?
@dandylioness787 ай бұрын
His clothes and body were drenched when taken to the E.R..The blood on his clothes is extremely diluted/missing from such a large gash to the back of his head. Where’s all the blood? 6 whole drops found in the snow..Where did the pig dna come from? So many questions yet to be answered.
@amandas.71437 ай бұрын
💯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@LeannaMurphy-mx7zy7 ай бұрын
The only thing tested for dog dna were his clothes that Proctor had for weeks before turning in as evidence.
@ScratchCatReikiASMR7 ай бұрын
The defence has 55 witnesses so far… because their trying to make a case from little evidence. I hope the defence makes their case from 10-12 witnesses… and make it succinct. There’s a lot of evidence against the prosecution… it won’t take much to show the jury reasonable doubt. In fact I would argue reasonable doubt has already been proven.
@jamiepopplein75306 ай бұрын
So much reasonable doubt. First, Red solo cups for evidence? 2) house full of cops doesn't see the dead buddy? 3) owners and friends never came out to check on him? 4) the lady that said they went to the back of the suv looking at damage. Video does not show that. 5) video of the suv in police custody happens to cut out at a key moment. 6) manner of death undetermined 7) over 2000 text messages to his sister. When did he have time to do a legit investigation? 8) tail light pieces found on separate days. Trail light damage could be anytime from anything. 9) did she ask a question... I hit him? 10) First it was Statement i hit him. Now their testimony changed she said DID I hit him? Already i have more questions and doubts they're telling the truth. The truth is easy to remember. Lies are hard to keep straight. 11) so if he was found up by the house, did she hit him in the yard? And why was nothing on video? Injuries don't seem to be consistent with hit n run. Tail light on the yard, not on the road or sidewalk? Scratches don't look like road rash? None of their stories make sense.
@jamiepopplein75306 ай бұрын
Oh, and she searched how long does it take to die in the cold?? That's extremely suspect of not damning evidence.
@jamiepopplein75306 ай бұрын
Also, after being told to preserve phones, they concurrency upgraded and destroyed their phones. This is so ridiculous. These officers should be on trial. Fired after this is over. There's more of a case against them than Karen.
@sashmo87 ай бұрын
Too much reasonable doubt for a conviction.
@jenniferrodgers41727 ай бұрын
You probably still think OJ was innocent too.
@hellen60807 ай бұрын
When is so many doubts ,the defense is making a great job!
@briancooke16847 ай бұрын
Looking like a set up. Poor man had dog cuts. She is a fall girl for this. Sad one all over 😢
@CurlyhairJ7 ай бұрын
It’s amazing she to managed to drive at all 😮 7 drinks is allot in that amount of time and the size of her
@DeniseHonest7 ай бұрын
They were all intoxicated!! You only say Karen! Lol. Hilarious 😂
@CurlyhairJ7 ай бұрын
@@DeniseHonest because she was driving it’s her car her tail light not theirs that’s why
@BoxerClover7 ай бұрын
Karen was the only one charged with vehicular homicide! LOL Hilarious! 😂
@catherinetierney48347 ай бұрын
She was in a black out .. she doesn’t even remember what happened! Did I hit him is the same as oh sh&t I hit him
@JoexWalsh7 ай бұрын
@@catherinetierney4834So you're saying she doesn't remember what happened, because she was blackout drunk. Yet you're saying she knew that she had hit him, when she was blackout drunk?
7 ай бұрын
Feds are waiting for trial to be over and they are coming down hard so this is not over by any stretch.
@Coopmanpin7 ай бұрын
Vinnie. YOU KNOW these folks are lying its been proven they all Contradicted each other too
@BoxerClover7 ай бұрын
it has NOT "been proven." u just want that to be true.
@MValleysMostWanted917 ай бұрын
Vinnie is sitting there trying not to laugh everytime Nick talks. This guy has seen 100s of cases. You think he believes in some crazy cover up? No way.
@user-nj9db2tg9w7 ай бұрын
You do understand he goes the opposite for what majority of people think, because it makes everyone mad and gets them leaving comments/getting views
@tragedypimpsexposed7 ай бұрын
Thanks for these videos! Im having a hard time keeping up with 7-8 hour court days, so these are very much appreciated! I look forward to them daily! Someone should count how many times this judge has said, "sustained." I'm not sure I've ever heard it so many times in one trial. And I'm personally still on the fence on this one... although, so far, i can very clearly smell reasonable doubt all the way across the rivers, oceans, and lakes. This investigation seems like it is a hot mess express. 🔥
@Fee2127 ай бұрын
3:44 And she said that she hit him with her car! Man top right:- Dogs have lower and upper teeth. The marks on his arm are only on one side... the top.
@JS-csnjjip7 ай бұрын
We saw multiple pictures of dog bites that match his arm injuries 100%
@Makememesgreatagain17767 ай бұрын
I love the forensic expert advice from the KZbin content creator!
@maryw11297 ай бұрын
You cannot convince me that everyone was in on this cover up . Trying to cause confusion so she can get off
@taniahurley43677 ай бұрын
Yes! fire department, EMS and police all part of a cover up???
@catherinetierney48347 ай бұрын
Exactly
@JoexWalsh7 ай бұрын
@@taniahurley4367 Interesting how you leave out all the Albert's, and their connections with the lead investigator, and the canton police department, and the ATF if you wanna go that far. Nobody is even suggesting that the fire department or EMS as a whole is part of a cover up. The only person remotely in question is the paramedic who was talking to Karen Read when she 'heard' him say "I hit him". Interesting that she has connections with the Albert's that she lied about. Not to mention the person she was allegedly talking to when she said that, never even heard her say that.
@JoexWalsh7 ай бұрын
@@taniahurley4367 I agree. But, what did I say that wasn't based on evidence? Also, why delete your comment, that suggested she was guilty? What evidence given convinced you she was guilty?
@dawnmills67557 ай бұрын
Absolutely. The defense making up a stupid theory to muddy the waters and get their client off. It's disgusting!
@ThatRedhedd7 ай бұрын
They have a surveillance camera on the other wall. It's what they used to show footage of the car pulling out to leave. They also had footage of the guy removing the light housing. BUT...they used THIS footage because the most important part of the car isn't in sight!
@ficalli47437 ай бұрын
7 drinks? for a 100 lbs, woman? wow, she is an alcoholic, plus all the alcohol mixed with the medications for MS, that her mother didn't want her to take that night, but maybe she already had taken. Hit and run, I don't think she intended to kill him though. Karen had changed her story too many times, especially after talking with her father. I didn't care for her gloating and smiling when they were showing John's clothing, very inappropriate behavior for a 44-year-old woman, with no compassion, nor empathy for John's family.
@jtjones40817 ай бұрын
Really trashy.
@fannygo66737 ай бұрын
16:49 All the calls & the google search, all at around the same time (?) 🤔
@countrygirl55797 ай бұрын
It's a huge cover up.
@orchidsluv7 ай бұрын
Sadly it is becoming more apparent many are lying.
@primalcritters7 ай бұрын
@@orchidsluvmore than just lying. This is malicious intent to frame an innocent person. The FBI has confirmed his bodily injuries are not from being hit by a car or 6,000 lb suv. FBI forensic analysis has also confirmed that Jen McCabe's searches are accurate. Colin and Brian attacked him in the basement after the blunt force trauma to the back of the head, he had a seizure and vomited and he lost three pints of blood which is why they ripped up the basement flooring. And yes, while they attacked him Chloe was also in the basement and she attacked his arm. Initially they planned to pretend a snow plow driver hit him. They threw him on the lawn and that's why Jen McCabe googled how long to die in the cold. They should have called in 911, but they wanted to protect themselves and especially colin. The next morning Jen McCabe did not want Karen to stop at fairview. She tried to keep driving on. Karen insisted and jumped out of the car. That foiled their plans of blaming the snow plow driver and so from there they had to frame Karen
@orchidsluv7 ай бұрын
Covering for sure
@jordancollins75697 ай бұрын
She is 100% being framed. Just listening to these officers. You can tell they are and sound corrupt. I think Karen was in shock when she was around people and others took advantage of what she may have been saying. Everything that Brian and Brian did is so fishy. It’s absolutely disgusting what they are putting Karen through
@jenniferinabnitt92457 ай бұрын
Who better to create a false crime scene than those who know exactly how to piece it together🧐??? I keep hearing the music from the God Father every time Jennifer McCabe speaks. Where is John’s hat? The ‘abrasions’ are not abrasions. Chloe is buried somewhere in the backyard they the Albert’s no longer own as well as the basement being redone before the sale of their home!!! Why was he home NEVER searched? Why didn’t a first responder with a body in his front yard never go outside to assist or see WTH was going on in front of of his home?
@mandystone30057 ай бұрын
The ringdoor video shows the taillight almost intact, with only 1 piece missing and conveniently that missing piece is the only piece that wasnt found to reassemble the entire light by the crime lab. So after the sally port they suddenly have the whole taillight out and 45 missing pieces found on the ground. For JO to be flung back like that and out of his shoe, Karen had to reverse and hit him at more than 20mph. Now how did he then get the scrapes on his arm only and nowhere else. I have seen 100's of pedestrian/car collisions on our South african roads and some just bumps and even the ones that get up and walk away have roadrash everywhere littleraly all exposed areas.
@KeanuWhite-zn9mp7 ай бұрын
The reason Karen panicked is because - She wasnt supposed to sleep at JOs house and she KNEW he wouldnt leave his niece at home by herself without contacting her.
@orchidsluv7 ай бұрын
That's a reasonable assumption. Agree.
@sierramcclary28977 ай бұрын
I still don't understand why she would be panicking. I would have assumed that he was drunk and stayed at the Albert's house. I think that she hit him in a fit of rage and I think that's the reason why she was talking about killing herself
@MValleysMostWanted917 ай бұрын
Oh KR is such a wonderful person isn't she?
@MValleysMostWanted917 ай бұрын
@@sierramcclary2897exactly. You wouldn't be panicking 5 hours after you last saw him. It's all a show put on by KR. It is completely disgusting.
@GPDogDrool7 ай бұрын
Not everybody has dysfunctional relationships where its normal not to come home. Or are irresponsible parents 🙄
@maryclebeau7 ай бұрын
Usually when people are hit by a vehicle they sometimes their shoes come off!
@Journey007a7 ай бұрын
Not when there’s absolutely zero dents to KR’s car. When someone is hit to sustain as much injury as John did, to have your car completely intact with zero dents to it is impossible! The evidence simply does not match up with John’s horrendous injuries.
@thomasgirty63977 ай бұрын
but not their belt !!! which seem's to have disappeared.
@Journey007a7 ай бұрын
@@thomasgirty6397 exactly! It seems these days people behave like sheep and lack any sort of critical thinking.
@ayo6237 ай бұрын
Canton PD was banking on everyone being this dense.
@ScratchCatReikiASMR7 ай бұрын
No one is believing the cover up
@PoirotFanGirl7 ай бұрын
Honestly, this is the most confusing trial, i cannot figure it out
@Daugbone7 ай бұрын
Whatever happened, I think some of these people knew he was lying down out there. And maybe they were talking about it but obviously never called for help.
@anglomik7 ай бұрын
I think Sherlock Holmes would be confused!
@PoirotFanGirl7 ай бұрын
@@anglomik agreed 💯
@FanKidsMom7 ай бұрын
What's confusing to me is how it's been brought this far. The witnesses keep changing their stories.
@tamarinbush66137 ай бұрын
I’m also confused cause if Karen Read pulled into the driveway? John got out of the SUV and went around back? Karen hits John not knowing he is behind the SUV? So how does his body go from the driveway to the flagpole? If you say he slowly crawled there, then how would the pieces of the taillight stay on the front of his shirt? And apparently no one saw anything and none of the security cameras were working?
@Yellodaise137 ай бұрын
All these simple minded band wagoners who can’t think for themselves and just latch onto what everybody else is hollering about bc their followers. . The evidence is quite simple and in your face. She hit and killed him. There is no conspiracy she wasn’t framed by 1200 different people. It’s just ridiculous. This case is simple to see the truth
@juliefishburn84557 ай бұрын
To me you'd have to be going faster than twenty something miles per hrs in reverse.? To knock someone's shoe off plus the tail light being plastic not glass would need force to brake.
@Michbeachlover7 ай бұрын
Remember the interview with Karen and the state Trooper Yuri was terminated at her parents home as soon as she said that she did a 3 point turn and did not see John enter the home. Although she said on her Nightline interview that she dropped John off and watched him walk up the driveway and go to the side door and enter???? There was debris from both shirts that were looked at from forensic scientists and the debris had fragments of tail light in it. No one said that John was dragged, thrown in the air. He could have been trying to grab the car she was going forward and backward. Also Karen had at least 7 drinks of Tito's before entering the Waterfall after leaving Mccarthy's . There was 21 inches of snow on the ground and the sneaker and tail light buried in from snow that was packed from a snow plow. Karen also thought that he might have been at 2 yes 2 x girlfriends house possibly. Karen did not even know she went to Fairview until Jen had to tell her she saw her vehicle outside the house. Why would all these officers, family children want to risk their integrity over this. They could have claimed self defense if a fight broke out and that happens. Why even involve Karen's car, but it was Karen's car, the evidence was there, and she has made her self believe that she didn't do it as well as her lawyers. Karen and her father went to John's home again to retrieve Karen's belongings in the bedroom and they never spoke or said I'm sorry to John's family that was there. Her father saw the broken tail light and made her come back to Dighton.
@dawnmills67557 ай бұрын
I concur with you. Finally, someone who makes sense.
@sherrisRN7 ай бұрын
She was wasted and she hit him. This whole conspiracy thing goes against all common sense. She was manipulative. She didn’t care. I have no doubts.
@tcreative80307 ай бұрын
yes!!!
@thomasgirty63977 ай бұрын
they never did a BAC. and NO ONE say's she was drunk, including the bartender's.
@invariablybefuddled44157 ай бұрын
My late husband died 5 years ago. I was home in the kitchen and knew something was wrong. I felt it in my bones. Looked down the road and saw police lights. I KNEW he was gone before the coroner told me 3 hours later. SHE ABSOLUTELY could have known something was very very wrong.
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
Defense claims and case are crumbling fast. Justice for John O’Keefe 🙏❤️
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
@user-jq1so5vd2i it means falling apart darling. A common word used by people. And nope I’m in the medical field. How about you?
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
@user-jq1so5vd2i yikes, can’t have a civil discussion without hurling insults I see. I understand, it’s hard to accept you’ve been fed a story that isn’t true. Hang in there!
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
@user-jq1so5vd2i either your a child or just dense. Bye 👋
@sarasmilesco85516 ай бұрын
@user-jq1so5vd2i what he said on his personal phone to his high school buddies was abhorrent!!! Notably not a single thing to indicate a cover up or planting evidence though 🤔
@sarasmilesco85516 ай бұрын
@user-jq1so5vd2i I don’t understand what that means. There was NO evidence of a cover up.
@charleslaurice7 ай бұрын
The Albertsons had so many corrupt ties in that town that we’re coming unraveled tell me once again how far out of town did he have to move to think it was just gonna go away just like that
@Nanassugars7 ай бұрын
Those don’t look like dog scratches from me. They look like debri injuries. Vehicle parts fly everywhere on impact. It’s obvious she did it
@sherrisRN7 ай бұрын
Agree!
@glorygoma71827 ай бұрын
No way, if the parts fly on impact, they would have been lodged in his body, not abresions or scratch marks. The evidence doesn't make sense...if you look at the videos of the sally port, you'll see that the numbers on the doors are flipped and the tape is on 1 side. When you compared that video to the photo evidence entered by the prosecution, you'll see the numbers are straight and the tape is also reversed. It doesn't add up. Boston Channel 10 has it on their case recap.
@Yurkidding7 ай бұрын
If O’Keefe was hit and the impact broke the tail light ..wouldnt there be injuries in the midsection of his body, he’s a 6 foot tall man.. !!
@ginohernandez37707 ай бұрын
The Karen is guilty AF
@tracysamra10477 ай бұрын
Completely innocent
@sandrabecht6137 ай бұрын
she is guilty of dating down...
@aemlife75167 ай бұрын
There is a Dent and Paint Scrap , it is obvious! A human can’t do damage to a car like that in a back up! What, they missed up when they did not search that house basement.
@teresev14357 ай бұрын
Her GPS had her backing up 62 feet at 25 miles an hour?!! Wow. The prosecution rests, Your Honor. Just for a little little bit of a different opinion or perspective, what if it was an accident. What if it’s just manslaughter. What if she was three times legal limit as they have is possible, what if she screwed up and gunned it in reverse instead of drive. I guess I have a hard time thinking someone would have that much malice in their body, mind and soul to do that on purpose... especially to a guy who was raising his dead sister’s children
@Alextriumph10506 ай бұрын
@@teresev1435The evidence says otherwise.
@AntheaDeVilliers7 ай бұрын
After listening to the prosecution's witnesses over the past 2 weeks I've come to a conclusion that she is guilty but not of 1st degree murder but manslaughter
@neilcrowley52327 ай бұрын
Ate u seriously? My God multiple witnesses have been shown to be lying, I mean there r actually text exchanges between family members saying "tell them he wasn't in the house".
@bethpatriots72907 ай бұрын
Leaving John O'Keefe to freeze to death alone after she incapacitated him is a separate crime, and hypothermia was the final cause of death. And the fact that Karen Read chose to try to destroy so many innocent witnesses and first responders rather than simply accept responsibility and apologize requires that she get the maximum sentence on each count and consecutive rather than concurrent sentences.
@redondobeach75147 ай бұрын
The prosecution is an embarrassment so far. Reflected in the problematic investigation.
@sunnysheaven52417 ай бұрын
I am sure they will find her quilty. She was drunk, she admited hitting him, they found broken car tail light from her car under John' body....there are things i question too little confusing. They will find her quilty but lesser charge possibly because of these confusing things ...
@RcPlayer-tt2vw7 ай бұрын
Idk those lawyer’s don’t lose , wow the other shoe , I read comments all these things they figured to be left in the house , the supporters keep moving the goal post , she probably hit him on accident didn’t stop wasn’t sure and when she woke up it hit her like a ton of bricks , than the cops let it go as a accident with minimal investigation but than Karen’s lawyers pointed finger at the whole town
@sunnysheaven52417 ай бұрын
@@RcPlayer-tt2vw yup exactly, I agree. Conspiracy theories, just not sure why anyone would frame her especially the whole town together, no reason at all. She probably did hit him on an accident, then a dog got to him or some animal afterwards.
@sheliawyatt58997 ай бұрын
Exactly. Karen went straight to where John was laying! Nobody else knew he was there, it was still dark!
@glorygoma71827 ай бұрын
wasn't she drunk? which one is it? The sally port video of her car (not the missing portion, the one shown today) doesn't match with their own picture entered into evidence. The number 4 on the door is reversed on the video and it is straight up on the picture. Also portions of that video are skipped, not to mention the missing fragments.
@SALJ14687 ай бұрын
No body else saw John because they were most likely very drunk!
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
She knew where she left him to die in the snow 💔
@jamesbuttery38627 ай бұрын
Well, she pulled up to where she dropped him off...idk about where she hit him.
@Dessi4127 ай бұрын
video missing from sally port also video missing from library
@orchidsluv7 ай бұрын
Could be
@Siggirl227 ай бұрын
Not any more but nice try wannabe detective
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
lol this is how you know you just believe everything the defense says 😂 there is no missing video
@thomasgirty63977 ай бұрын
plus 90+ minute's missing from the tow. chain of evidence broken several times.
@babs36527 ай бұрын
The sałlyport video is not missing.
@PeoplePlacesRocknRoll7 ай бұрын
Nothing makes sense, because they all already know what happened.
@Justbug17 ай бұрын
How about when she is at the police station asking what she is being charged with, and never refutes the charge! If she is so innocent why didn't she speak up then???
@hellen60807 ай бұрын
Wht does a matter to defend yourself while been charged and arrested?they not going to let you out until court and bail set.
@Justbug17 ай бұрын
@@hellen6080 no that's not it, she told everyone she hit him so why bother defending herself, right!
@lilbish30387 ай бұрын
Even if she said “I hit him” what if she was shock and actually meant “I hit him? I hit him?” I doubt she did bc there is no dents in the car so odd tbh
@lilbish30387 ай бұрын
Shoes can come off too if trying to leave in deep snow just like in mud idk so weird
@fr112887 ай бұрын
That was planted and someone actually took more of her tail light out. Obviously no one saw it originally.
@thomasgirty63977 ай бұрын
see the tow truck picture and her driveway video. lite may be cracked, but intact WAYYYY later.
@joaoveloso49547 ай бұрын
if it was just a simple hit and run, why so many shady answers and behaviors by Alberts and others involved, including visiting lead investigator’s house for 1 hour and other guilty behavior, getting rid of phones in an unusual way, missing text, and more. And if she did hit him, you’re telling me he was laying outside for multiple hours alive?
@Tamara-id1pe7 ай бұрын
For the record, there was a time in my life when I had so much anxiety that I would definitely assume you were dead and not passed out a friend’s house
@davidfrench71307 ай бұрын
If this was a conspiracy how many people (professionals) would need to be involved, EMT's, Firefighter, Police, witnesses. The evidence is strong, the jury isn't stupid, unless the suggestion will be the jury is in on it as well.
@evan15867 ай бұрын
Believe me when I tell you, you would be surprised, FACTS!
@dawnmills67557 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@marissagentles30327 ай бұрын
Look, the professionals don't need to get involved. It's a matter of how the evidence was handled. Why did it take the lead investigator ( Michael Proctor) 6 weeks from when the crime happened to get it over to the lab. The professionals just work with what they have but the framing was done by the cops
@lucyo.43977 ай бұрын
Plain and simple! She was drunk!
@tcreative80307 ай бұрын
Correct- She was beyond hammered.
@evilqueenyiayia7 ай бұрын
So wasn't everyone else. 😂
@catherinetierney48347 ай бұрын
8 doubles .. she weighs a 100 pds soaking wet . She did a 3 point turn . They said they would bring the dog in . But the prosecutor isn’t done yet .. today was a great day for the prosecution.
@sherrisRN7 ай бұрын
Agree! She hit him. This coverup crap is Johnnie Cochran like nonsense. I hope the jurors have common sense and not this BS the earth is flat conspiracy crap
@evilqueenyiayia7 ай бұрын
@@catherinetierney4834 There's only 2 Titos on the tab. Lolly is one of the worst Prosecutors ever. But have it your way. We'll see what the Jury says.
@dawnmills67557 ай бұрын
Kevin is the only one on the panel who makes any sense. Yes, Vinnie, it is a classic case of hit and run. The other two guys arguments, or lack thereof, are asinine
@jamesbuttery38627 ай бұрын
There is so much reasonable doubt in this case. Where is the part where Karen hit him with the car? I sure hope they're going to call a medical examiner to testify those injuries look consistent with a car accident... otherwise, there's no way you get a murder conviction.
@fred77697 ай бұрын
Let’s analyze that for a second. Karen Read, supposedly drunk, drove perfectly reverse ~60 ft @ 24 MPH, and caused those injuries to Officer o’Keefe? Who is the asinine one again?
@sandrabecht6137 ай бұрын
no, he isn´t
@janedixon84917 ай бұрын
John was hit by Karen and could he have crawled to that spot ?
@BoxerClover7 ай бұрын
absolutely. & collapsed.
@clake89317 ай бұрын
She confessed and is trying to cover her tracks by blaming others.
@bjohnjackson10837 ай бұрын
Well said
@anglomik7 ай бұрын
"I hit him!" I wonder if she was feeling bad about hitting him with her hand (a slap) after leaving the pub? I don't have a dog in this fight, I only want the truth to come out.
@rainaeasley78637 ай бұрын
Her lawyer said she was just asking a question. Did I hit him? You know that’s the first thing somebody that wasn’t trashed they just dropped someone off at the party would say run over them hit them. That’s real normal.
@yawninggreyhound7 ай бұрын
Guy maintaining those are dog bite wounds has not researched dog bite wounds. Wounds that deep would have opposing lower jaw or upper jaw wounds. Upper canines and lower canines would both penetrate the skin. To have repetitive side by side slice wounds would not indicate bite wounds. There's no way upper or lower canines would penetrate that deeply and not leave opposing puncture wounds. Easily researched on the 'net
@lilbish30387 ай бұрын
Not true my bf got bit by a pit bull last night and only had the upper teeth punctures no bottom ones and the dog was latched on for a good min
@Tammy_26Irwin7 ай бұрын
@@lilbish3038 you’re correct and I know this because I got my face ripped apart by a pitbull back in 2020 and it was just his upper canines that got me not his bottom ones
@paullyrenee7 ай бұрын
Absolutely not correct. I am a delivery driver and I have been bit and I have seen many bites on other drivers and it is rare to see opposing bite marks as usually we are trying to get away.
@beepbopboop77277 ай бұрын
You are forgetting that one set of teeth marks may have penetrated another object the individual may have been wearing / holding/ carrying etc.
@Williamb6127 ай бұрын
I truly believe she is guilty...she should have just said it was an accident, she was drunk, and tried to cover it up. Involuntary Manslaughter and perhaps 18 months in jail. That said, there just is too much uncertainty and I feel she will have a not guilty verdict...but let's remember a not guilty verdict does NOT mean she is innocent, merely it cannot be proved that she is guilty
@snippetsordinarylife7 ай бұрын
I truly believe she is innocent. This is a case of missing phones, endless butt dials, terrible investigation by people who have each other's backs, a car with so little damage. This is a case where none of the evidence passes the common sense test. However, I am glad all of the corruption is exposed for the world to see.
@amandas.71437 ай бұрын
she’s so guilty. for so many ppl to fall for these conspiracy theories is laughable. no way this many ppl could be in on it & not 1 of them to have a heart & care about the truth. even the medics🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@Williamb6127 ай бұрын
@@snippetsordinarylife Hi..I feel the phone issue is officers believing their phones might be confiscated and they may have unsavory things on their phones like one of them having an affair...really don't think there was some nefarious cover up. Only my thoughts.
@snippetsordinarylife7 ай бұрын
@@amandas.7143 I am still waiting for one iota of credible evidence that she is guilty. I don't believe everyone is in on it, just a few and they have been feeding the rest incorrect information, e.g. "I killed him" has now been thoroughly disproved, as it has been "Did I kill him" for a very long time. You know what I find laughable? That there are still some who believes the police would never frame anyone and who in spite of endless butt dials, missing phones, missing videos, outright lies, still have the mindset of "they say she's guilty so she must be". One could only hope they develop some common sense and discernment at some stage of their lives. These bumbling fools are such a stark contrast to the utter professionalism of LE involved in the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell trial. This trial is laughable in comparison. Almost every witness shows signs of deception during cross and even direct. Consider this: I don't think Karen Read is the most likeable person I have ever come across. Normally public would not side with her. But...the evidence.
@MountainMomma117 ай бұрын
Ever heard of intuition? Have you ever had a very bad feeling about something and it turned out your instincts were spot on? She had a terrible feeling and she was WORRIED. I don’t believe the testimony about any statements KR made. If it were wrote down or recorded, I would give it to them. Having to trust the credibility of each witness that has testified what they heard her say, nope, not enough for me!
@nicoles81767 ай бұрын
Why the the police department cover up for a killing of their officer? It doesn’t make sense
@mollysmith61927 ай бұрын
Because he had something on one of them
@ScratchCatReikiASMR7 ай бұрын
It does make sense because Brian was jealous of johns relationship with Karen. That is so clear. Especially after seeing the desperation of his texts to her at the bar that night and his text to John after she never answered him
@nima190797 ай бұрын
Kevin 👏👏👏
@RebeccaGallin7 ай бұрын
Im so ticked woth the defense. All they kept screaming was he only had one shoe where the hell did the shoe go! Liars
@ScratchCatReikiASMR7 ай бұрын
The prosecution is doing a horrible job on this case… their questions are all over the place, it’s not adding up. The tail light pieces don’t fit the vehicle. The witnesses all contradict each other, the investigation was done wrong and all contaminated in many ways. The witnesses were not investigated until a year later and in some cases, years later. They were also interviewed in the house all together. The inside of the house was never searched. There was no warrant to take her car and search it. What I want to know is, on what grounds did they charge Karen? Hearsay from Jenn McCabe? That’s not enough to charge someone. Can’t wait to hear from the defence and their case.
@alikat10537 ай бұрын
Vinnie I know you know there is no conspiracy here. This was a hit and run resulting in death. Kevin actually seems to have more common sense than the lot of you.
@kristenpino46357 ай бұрын
That's hysterical!
@stevenprice69577 ай бұрын
Spot on
@LeannaMurphy-mx7zy7 ай бұрын
😂
@sandrabecht6137 ай бұрын
hit and run. This is why they butt dialled all night. That´s why they lie in court
@alikat10537 ай бұрын
@@sandrabecht613 bye
@eileenegger46477 ай бұрын
Karen said at the beginning that she hit "SOMETHING". Where is that video that shows her backing up into that other car in a driveway? If you look up above the piece of hair that was placed on her car, you can clearly see scratches that came from the other vehicle. How tall was John? With the damage done to his face, head, arm, where exactly did the taillight connect with him? I believe with that much damage done to him it was done physically by humans. They all know that the son had the most to do with it and they are all hiding something PERIOD!
@annemontanaro37957 ай бұрын
Higgins and Alperts calls were mere seconds. How much could've been discussed? Higgins disposal of his personal phone I think was more panic over his texting with Read than guilt as a co-conspirator.
@catherinetierney48347 ай бұрын
20 Seconds .. How much can you say .. they just found out friend is dead on lawn .. they are in shock
@dansloan42426 ай бұрын
I so love you guys there at court TV, who still think Karen Reed is innocent! 😂😂😂
@MrMferg2407 ай бұрын
i believe KAREN ran him over. not trying to kill him, but she was intoxicated and from what i understand JOHN was about to say sayonara to KAREN in their relationship. KAREN to me from watching the case is not wrapped too tight.
@saltybird86 ай бұрын
thanks Vinnie!
@darcymoon21097 ай бұрын
Kevin - if something doesn’t make sense then that is “reasonable doubt.” Do you think it is a good idea to confuse the jury? Do you think a jury should say, “well, this makes no sense, convict her!”
@BoxerClover7 ай бұрын
🤦🏻♂️
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
🤦🏻♀️
@CJ-pr5np7 ай бұрын
Why did his fit bit indicate he was going up and down the stairs when he was a house party unless he went inside and went to basement?
@mody033187 ай бұрын
Exactly " the scratches" are from Dog! Chole gone bye bye
@CJ-pr5np7 ай бұрын
Why didn’t they get video footage from the house across the street that supposedly has a video available?
@sharonharrison36117 ай бұрын
She is GUILTY! No conspiracy. Nobody beat him up. Karen Reads car did
@anonymousowl727 ай бұрын
You say GUILTY! So emphatically? No reasonable doubt? Pretty sure there is a good amount of evidence to warrant reasonable doubt. The investigators being investigated? Police officer dies in front of their house and they’re not immediately questioned? Trooper Proctor friends with the Albert’s. The McCabes cracking under cross examination…their prior inconsistent statements. The wife searching how long it takes someone to die in the snow before O’Keefe is found dead in the snow. Defensive bruises on the back of O’Keefe’s hands like he’d been shielding from an attack. So much more. Lots of other options out there to consider than an emphatic GUILTY. Implying open and shut case.
@marmite.7 ай бұрын
That shoe in the snow has a black sole the one they showed in court had a white sole
@RiseAbove4097 ай бұрын
Higgins property doesn’t have trash pickup so he was solely responsible for disposing of his garbage each week. Driving through a military base as a shortcut was typical of him. Bases have giant dumpsters where he can easily dispose of his garbage, there’s nothing suspicious about that. Higgins testified to all this, but the FKR circus tries to distort normal behavior and facts, bc they have to grasp at straws in the hope of turning nothing into anything - Karen is guilty as charged and if you set conspiracies aside and look through a logical, realistic, factual lense then you can see the evidence as it is - Karen read is an alcoholic and she murdered John O’Keefe hence numerous ppl stating she said that. Now we can add manipulative, lying, jealous psycho to the list too. She should enjoy her freedom while it lasts. She’s extremely dangerous for the elaborate lies and mischaracterization of evidence. The clothes weren’t in proctors trunk for weeks, they were bagged and tagged safelystored in the locked evidence room. The belt and shoe were never missing, that’s all we’ve heard about. The video footage shows KR’s vehicle being pulled into the sally port and secured with crime scene tape, but she and her defense have denied any such footage existed. Her defense was sloppy and missed a lot of important evidence in discovery, or they’ve intentionally deceived many ppl from the start. I could go on forever…. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts Karen.
@sarasmilesco85517 ай бұрын
Yes!!! It’s shocking to me that people just accept the fact that defense and KR have fed them complete lies.
@chrislim76157 ай бұрын
Doesn't makes sense,the:Albert's could've been bringing the shoe,belt etc.Thrown out fr their hse:34*