6 Reasons Why People HATE 30 Seconds To Mars

[@kricejames5920]

They need to bring back the sound of the first albums. 30stm

[@macervarren12thcompanyworl71]

Space rock era

[@AlanGarcia-nq5kb]

Their first album is ahead of our time, that's why not many people feel it. It's piece of magic. Beautiful and amazing, i wish they make music like that someday.

[@WillWright-lx4hf]

this is war is a legit amazing album and the live performances from that era were unmatched

[@mtaylor7919]

30STM are my favourite band and I love their music, but I respect your opinion and I fully understand these criticisms which are justified to be completely honest. Glad you presented them in a mature and sensible way without being stupid. Good job

[@adamrose6969]

M Taylor wow, an actual open-minded superfan. Props

[@mtaylor7919]

Some people need to realise that their favourite artists arent gods and are capable of not so great things. I fully understand the criticisms of 30STM but it doesnt affect my enjoyment of the music

[@evan.3199]

+1

[@emaangel8604]

M Taylor i don't what he said is true cus i have being echelon since a long time this dude trying to make 30STM look in bad way

[@peac2397]

You, I can appreciate. I can see why people feel the way this video is about. However I don't mind that they try to sell out as I still love their material they bring, I don't mind that everything sounds the same as that can also give the band a very clear and specific image (look at Breaking Benjamin), However I wish that Jared's ego was just a little less. But still, I love the band and I respect others opinion about it. Cheers.

[@SymphanyinSorrow]

Didn't know they were hated. I personally don't vibe with the music post This Is War, but the messages in their songs are still wonderful and I support them.

[@sineeclipse9920]

I don't HATE the band, but I can't stand the way they carry themselves and I don't care for their new pop/alternative rock sound. While A Beautiful Lie was definitely a move towards a more "mainstream" sound, it still had the atmospheric edge that gave the songs on their self-titled record passion and personality. After that record nothing really caught my ear as being very uniquely their own sound.

[@jc1424]

Jared Leto looks more like Jesus than even Chad Kroeger did in 1999... holy crap.

[@Merdicano]

jc1424 Agreed, he doesn't look like a normal person of his age

[@SecondTake123]

Lol

[@kilogreene8738]

Soo... Jesus was white? Right lol

[@katrinkennedy9044]

Who cares how he look like....he‘s gorgeous anyway 😊

[@theleprechaunsacrifice5688]

It's sad

[@jennyclark3033]

Just so you know, us “mam’s” have mostly been following the band for at least a decade and a half. I have loved their music since Capricorn and yeah it’s mellowed out over the years but so have I, hence why I still love them today... not just for Jared.

[@melissaawesome9403]

Moms love Jared because everyone that age was obsessed with him on My so called life when they were like 12

[@hristina97]

Wow this guy really seems to hate Jared.. what did he ever do to you man? 😂

[@macion9481]

Haven't watched the video yet but I'm predicting that "they sold out" and "Jared Leto is pretentious" will be a couple obvious reasons.

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

Jared does have the 'lefty pretentious vibe' going on but then again most vegan's have that Plus excellent skin care. My views are the green monster of others and sometimes Jared can misjudge his audience and think they will share his world viewpoint. In short Jared is awesome but only if you share his world view. Which is pretty neat if you do! You would not understand.

[@macion9481]

Anna@Bella Eh idc either way. Jared Leto being pretentious is just a common complaint I see so that's why I assumed it would be a reason in this video.

[@tonyaflorida]

OMG HOW DID YOU KNOW LOL totally didn't see it coming XD

[@jokerqueen8758]

Jared is prententious ? wtf is awesome, and he's very humanitarian.

[@Merdicano]

Joker Queen I like Jared Leto

[@rmo8922]

I became part of the echelon during the This Is War era. Their songs were all about dreaming, believing in yourself and fighting for your dreams. All members had an input in the band's direction and had the opportunity to show their talent. It wasnt the jared leto band. It was 30stm. They partnered with some website to stream live but you had to pay for it...while other people were streaming for free jared decided his streams needed to be HQ and thus have us pay (dont know what became of that). And though we got an insight into how they make songs from that stream (i was blown away by how organic their writing and producing process still was, making me fall in love with them more) I started to realise jared hyped everything up. He made a scene, made you believe you were part of something great, the music he was producing was life changing, when in reality...both albums after this is war sucked. I loved that man and that band from 2009 but I have to say....jared leto has characteristics of a sociopath...a true jim jones cult leader type of charisma about him. I loved his weirdness but sometimes he crosses the line.

[@tobeyves]

"both albums after this is war sucked" sounds like a you problem :) didnt need this whole paragraph for that :)

[@Georr17]

I love This Is War, I started listening to them in The Beautiful Lie and didn't found out Jared was actually an actor and a thing in 2012. I saw them live in 2014 and it was odd to me because Jared spent all the time in the ''runway'' part of the stage getting all the attention while the rest of the band was waaaaaay in the back and you couldn't even see them. Plus, in a moment he took his poncho off (yes he was wearing a poncho) and threw a bottle of water over his naked body and people went INSANE. And I mean, yes he's really hot but I went to see 30STM not Jared Leto and some other dudes playing in the backround. And even tho I like his early music, I stopped listening to them at all when I found out he was accused of abuse and non-consensual sex practices. So yeah, for me they early music was great but Jared ruined it.

[@papamccheese6501]

Music and Art is SUBJECTIVE (Look it up) Everyone will have different opinions and that's ok.... Why make a video about it, makes no sense..🙄🙄🙄

[@nayelideathknight]

I absolutely second the statement about the meet'n'greets. I payed 400 dollars just to have a picutre taken with them! And Jared was so...just as you described him...something better and he let us feel exactly that. Plus, Shannon wasn't even with them at the time. I really felt like I had just thrown my money out the window. All I got was some random goodie bag and a digital picture - for 400 dollars! And as for the cult part....I would really go as far as calling it a cult. Have you ever met "the Echelon"? Have you ever been confronted with the question as to what the Argus Apocraphex is? No? I've been there and it almost drove me insane. Maybe I was just sensitive, but it definiteley had a cult-like vibe to it. It was scary at times. The fan bases I'm in now are comepletely different from that. Maybe I just met the wrong people back then, but I'm so happy I got out of there. =/

[@kennygemmoon1955]

Nayeli DeathKnight preach

[@juanestebanlondonozapata7103]

6 reasons why *YOU* hate 30STM. Fella, you only say cliches and say very obvious things. 🤔

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

What a surprise the age of their fans would be 30-40 years old?? Which is Jared Leto's, Tomos's and Shannon's age group; Shocking. This is the same for band 'Take That' in the UK!

[@Trixiefin]

The Letos are closer to 50 years than 30-40..

[@gisselldow2102]

Also, people seem to have forgotten that Jared Leto became pretty famous for being a heartthrob character in the 90's teen drama "My So-Called Life". Hmm.. wonder why a lot of their fans are 30-40 year old moms???

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

A bit a Mystery that really! Note my Sarcasm! lols

[@AnnaBellaChannel]

They are both in their late 40's which makes having fans aged 30-40 age appropriate!

[@CRAZYCHIPMUNX]

I went to those concert in Manchester last week, vast majority of people there were late 20/ mid 30, and there was a large number of over 40s there.

[@lorandliszkai7084]

Yo that paramore poster is awesome

[@ChelseaDreams]

They formed as a band in 1998 and released their first studio album in 2002. It's 2018. Of course the music is going to change. A lot of people don't like the direction they've gone in; I personally do. Jared has changed a lot in 20 years, so the kind of music he makes has changed. People evolve and grow; so does their art. I personally think each album has its own unique sound and theme, which makes each one special for a different reason. I've seen them live multiple times and the energy is just amazing. They always put on a hell of a show. I'll be a proud Mars fan for life. :)

[@lrballistics]

"Evolve" is debatable but I can respect your opinion

[@DJMS_]

Too bad he got chopped up

[@steviez28]

Rep Ninja no bring me the horizon gradually “evolved”. Thirty seconds to Mars literally changed over night and sounds like every other pop song that plays on the radio.

[@TDItaly98]

I went to their concert in Bologna a week ago and they gave the opportunity to 1000 fans to have a special signing after the show for free. They care for their fans a lot. They also invited those with a special pack to the sound check even though it was NOT included in the packet itself.

[@alexandermurillo8951]

i ate bologna once

[@hurricanev6]

I'm sure that had nothing to do with his latest film bombing at theaters twice.

[@TDItaly98]

@@hurricanev6 I commented that 4 years ago friend. Still, I'm sure this has nothing to do with your ability to understand the passing of time though...

[@Christian-eq7uh]

They’ll def charge for a summer camp where they don’t even show up for it so…

[@EmmeDevour]

It looks to me that Jared Leto knows exactly the kind of person he is and knows how to use that to his advantage.

[@laurengibbs6940]

As a massive 30STM fan, I'm alright with this as long as you don't force your opinions on others.

[@fertorres8307]

in my opinion jared leto is one of the most down to earth celebrities ive seen, dont know where the idea of he having so much ego come from

[@y_rew3837]

panic en la disco because he looks good and is very confident which makes people think that he has a big ego.

[@Smokin_Snowman]

Yvonne Werner he tries to act like a worldy down to earth person but he tries way too hard..

[@Merdicano]

Y_ rew I don't think being confident is a negative personality trait

[@josefinebliss2801]

I love 30stm but never quite understood Jared. He does seem like he tries hard to appear a certain way and there are of course all the negative rumors about him but there are no proof for any of them... When I saw 30stm live he made a lot of sexual jokes while there were indeed children in the audience although their native language was most likely not english anyway, but still. I don't know if he's just trying to come off a certain way or if he's just kind of awkward and odd so he makes up for it with acting overly confident sometimes. After all lots of creative people are odd.

[@kweenofnoize2145]

panic en la disco It comes from gossip, jealousy, and people not understanding that just being yourself is never a bad thing, and being confident is never a bad thing. Some people interpret that as "ego", when in fact it is just confidence, yes, he can be a little awkward sometimes, he tours the world, comes across millions of fans, and works his ass off, that can cause a person to sometimes be a little tired and awkward. I would love to see some of the people with negative comments about him do what he does in just ONE DAY, and see how it works out for them. 😊✌🏻

[@Meowblivion]

I don't hate 30 seconds to mars but they do over sell themselves. Not overrated. OverSold. Overhyped more so...

[@jamilhneini1002]

Kyubey EXACTLY

[@mimidenil]

Oversold is probably the right term

[@AsfandShahid]

At least not as oversold as retards like Taylor Swift or Rihanna e.g. which is also full of sexism. They present a woman like a commercial product. Thirty seconds to Mars has at least a message which is worth spreading so please stop hating idiots!!

[@Meowblivion]

Adam Delonge taylor swift yeah not so much rhianna. I mean she worked extremely hard to get she is. 11 years in the game and she works so hard. Taylor Swift on the other hand...

[@AsfandShahid]

She brainwash people like with he song 'work work work' and she barely has clothes on.

[@lilianamaria6082]

I've been listening to them for the past 10 years and I do agree with all of this. The thing I hate the most is their lack of professionalism. They spend years creating an album and then it's no big deal. Like this album for instance. It will be released next month and the final recordings were just sent to the label days ago. I would not be surprised if it was postponed at some point because Jared is a "perfectionist". Yes he has a lot on his plate but so do others.

[@Supeycal]

Do top 10 30 Seconds To Mars songs or a throwback review before the new album comes out

[@jenftw55]

I used to really like their music. Some of it is still okay. I liked the Beautiful Lie and the other stuff before it. Occasionally, they put out one or two good songs, but I myself prefer the older stuff. The newer stuff isn't to my taste. :/

[@livtornes7148]

I’m a fan of the band, but when I saw them on the Carnivores Tour with Linkin Park, Linkin Park blew them out of the water. I remember my jaw dropping when Chester held out the giant scream during “Given Up” and completely forgetting about Thirty Seconds to Mars 😂 that being said, I do kind of want to see them perform on their own tour, and I am considering seeing them this summer, but it all depends.

[@benanin1889]

If you still consider let me tell you that I witnessed them in Munich 2 days ago and it was a big let-down. It was a 70 minutes Leto-Show, even 2 of their members were hidden beside the stage. I really like their first albums, but as the music became more and more blushed out the live shows were made for teens who dont care about music experience but more about seeing their favourite crush. Dont get me wrong, I love all his acting roles so far ( maybe the joker not that much) but the show became boring after 30 minutes.

[@Valoweeinie9]

I also went to a show on that tour and you are so right. I went for 30 STM but I am also a fan of LP so that was a bonus for me. Mars was alright but LP as you said blew them out of the water. They were energetic and rowdy and loud and amazing. I am so glad I got to see them live before Ches passed.

[@kweenofnoize2145]

Olivia Tornes They organized Carnivores Tour with Linkin Park, because LP had not toured in awhile, which is why they were the headlining band, and not 30STM, who had already done a full US and International headlining tour the year before Carnivores, the point was for the focus to be on LP, anyone who doesn't know that clearly was not paying attention when they announced the tour.

[@livtornes7148]

KweenOfNoize 214 I know that LP was the focus... I went for LP. I was just saying that 30 STM didn’t compare in terms of performance. Yeah, they had cool theatrics, but in terms of the actual music, Linkin Park was way better.

[@kweenofnoize2145]

Olivia Tornes Well, I can understand that as a matter of your opinion. I think I got a little defensive from reading some of the ridiculously negative comments on here, and it had me in a mood, lol. I love LP's music, and I love 30STM's music, they are different, and people have different tastes, I like just about every genre of music, and not everyone is the same, so I do understand where you are coming from. I was having a moment and it may have carried over into my response to you, and I apologize for that. 😊✌🏻

[@TrollBreaker]

I remember finding A Beautiful Lie when I was 11. Oh, my emo days.

[@heatherfiske9096]

I'm sorry but I don't agree with anything you say I love 30stm so much and jared leto and there songs to i listen to them all the time even the older ones and this is the band where I discovered the ecualon family and 30stm saved my life and the ecualon to i will always love them and the band to #love30stmforever #echelonforever

[@Valoweeinie9]

Unfortunately the Echelon is not what it used to be. Nobody cares about each other like they did ten years ago and they are a dying breed. I still consider myself an Echelon but I am not as passionate about the band as I was from 2006 to about 2013.

[@wulfganglover]

First three albums were unbelievable! lLFD was good but started the pop curve. This new album they just went off the deep end. There was so much power and passion in the first three albums and it just seems that they have lost their edge. By all means stick with them if you love them. I have kind of lost interest. Take care!!

[@scottdenja6896]

I think somone needs a remedy. Lmao thanks for the music jared. Fuck the haters

[@crazyboutGALE]

You’re guessing about a skin care routine - he said he only uses water & his mother’s skin looks young and beautiful. When did Jared ever go around telling people he’s talented? And I’ve never heard him say his ideas, movies or everything he’s involved with are the best or gold. He’s said many times how many failures he’s had. I doubt he thinks he’s too good for meet & greets but is probably sometimes tired, moody or reacting to comments. Their music doesn’t all sound the same & I listen to most of it. I also I don’t like it when Jared wants everyone to get down so they can jump up. And Jared had to be tough cuz actors AND musicians didn't accept him as either. Moms? Look at the young girls at his current tour.

[@tessmarie2933]

I actually laughed so hard at so many of the things this guy said in this video. Especially at the points you've made. He's never once said how talented he is, even though he easily could. And his skin care? People are really gonna bash him for how good he looks at what? 47? And then being attacked for being a method actor?

[@Merdicano]

@@tessmarie2933 I agree completely, if anything, Jared Leto looks like one of the most chilliest guys ever, he doesn't really go around overexposing himself all the time, only if its for promotional material on his work, and that was it; about the "moms fanbase", it comes back to the age he actually has, so of course women that are contemporary to him, who are moms, would be attracted to him, I know my mom is one of them

[@Cait98_]

I was looking for a comment like this! Young looks runs in the family. Look at Constance, and Shannon

[@pauloferreira7095]

Apparently I'm a mom

[@ritaantunes2434]

Yeaaaaaaa me too. Let's have a baby!

[@keshin_martin]

I am a gigantic fan of 30STM. I know a lot people who just can't past Jared Leto's "ego." Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do to change people's minds. LLFD is my third favorite album of all time. I am i giant fan of concept albums and I like when an album goes further than just the songs on the record. I am a ginormous fan of their music videos, just being a huge cinema fan. I love on how the band does more than just the music on the albums. I would love to go to Camp Mars one year.

[@runwithkings20]

All I’m hearing is, Leto is trying something new and its working. They aren’t here to stay the same like Katy Perry does.

[@brittanylarson9466]

30STM one of my favorite bands. They helped me through a very hard time in my life. Jared Leto does have a bit of an ego but that doesn't take away from them making good music.

[@jimh4459]

I kind of like the new stuff so far, but it's definitely their weakest stuff imo. Honestly it felt like their last two albums captured a magical feel that their new stuff so far just doesn't have.

[@joshuacrewes8314]

This is war was there last good album

[@iamashoe1583]

joshua crewes *their

[@spitz5183]

Agreed

[@TheSweatyYeti]

For sure. I like a few songs off the new one, but it definitely doesn’t have the depth or variety that This Is War had.

[@artisbeauty0822]

I liked LLFD, but their new album eeeeek not so much.

[@Merdicano]

joshua crewes I think is a masterpiece, at least for me

[@rzk4176]

Since the first time I listen this band back en 2006 I thought they were pretentious as fuck, their music is just not that good or interesting, they just try so hard. I have more respect for Jared Leto as an actor than a musician or lyricist, even though his recent roles are not great.

[@FlyingV555]

Here my opinion: Love the first two albums. There is bearable material on the next two albums. Those still sound interesting to me. We will not talk about America.

[@Merdicano]

Haha, bearable?, Like for real, bearable?, And people saying they're pretentious, also let's talk about America, let us have a nice and relaxed conversation about that album, lol

[@afsanea8851]

The haters are always haters! 😂😂😂 they dont understand how good he is.( this world need more people like jared leto) 💖🤍 If you dont like his song or his work, just Go away. and live your shity life.. Thank God jared has a great life(he is Beautiful Inside and outside ) and his True fans love him for ever...

[@kieranmcintyre4351]

I kinda agree with a lot of the criticism of the band now , I was a huge huge fan of their 1st 3 albums and felt like they were something I could listen to and enjoy, however the last album was a pile of garbage with a few exceptions and the criticism of them going to poppy is definitely true given the last album and last 2 singles..it’s a real shame because when 30STM was a rock band they genuinely had potential to be great but when they decided to go pop they lost something that made them what they were....a good and creative band.

[@feliciadibabo7045]

Love them and their ever changing sound. His voice is gold.

[@ThepathforwardLLC]

I really enjoyed this review and the comments thus far. About their music-every musician/band grows over time with their age and experiences and so does their music. They retain the same style, but typically their music evolves. As an Echelon, I enjoy most of the music. The first two songs of the current album about to be released, America, did rub me the wrong way and I was disappointed. Then I heard “One Track Mind” and loved it. Still not their old style, but it was redeeming. While I have have never met the the band, I have been blocked from Jared’s Instagram. When he posted a shirtless pic of himself from his early 30’s and simply said something like, ‘caption this’, I said “Egotistical, narcissistic, needy and lonely.” Sorry, I’m a therapist and a lemming. The more interesting thing for me was the hatred I received from the other fans admonishing me for saying such things about their god-er-Jared. One said I shouldn’t be allowed to be an Echelon and others called me names. I asked them if 1.Jared would support the way they were behaving (no) 2. Did I not have a right to my opinion (yes) 3. Was he not being exactly as I was saying because he was sitting somewhere posting a pic of himself from a decade earlier asking his adoring followers to “caption this” knowing they would say nothing but ego-boosting and loving comments!!!?? Sending him love and adoration for him to bask in at that very moment? And as he was watching the feed he came across MY comment and BAM! WHAT?! A negative COMMENT!? I am sure he was in disbelief. Then he blocked me. But 4. WERE THEY MAD BECAUSE HE SAW ME/REACTED TO ME and not them...Now I ask you to tell me that he is not egocentric. In his defense (a little) at the VIP meet and greets the band does see hundreds of people each week. How would you feel if that was you? But they knew what they were signing up for. I am a 49 year old mother of a 27 year old successful child who mocks my love of 30STM music and small crush on SHANNON Leto. I definitely don’t think Shannon or Tomo don’t get enough credit. Their music, one song in particular, was important to to me at a turning point in my life. It might have even saved it. So for that I am grateful. Do or die people. Do. Or. Die. Has anyone seen their film Artifact? I thought it was a very interesting look inside he record industry and I learned a lot from it. It was very well and does a little insight into why they are the way they are. Final comment. I saw 30STM with MUSE last summer. I was one of the few Echelon fans in the crowd. I made my presence known to my fellow concert-goers and warned them I would geek out when the band came out and I delivered. At the beginning of the show he crowd was definitely Muse fans. Jared had hurt his leg at the previous show and has a cane. He was dressed in a hideous outfit and Shannon looked glorious and Tomo was his awesome, rocking self. It was hotter than hell. Complaint-I don’t ever want to pay to hear the crowd sing The Kill to and acoustic guitar again. EVER. Or a wa-hoo-oh! CREDIT- By the end of the 30STM set, Jared had the ENTIRE crowd whipped into a frenzy, singing along, with him at the back of the arena, he cane tossed halfway through the show, while the roadies quietly set up for Muse. No one noticed but me I think. So I have to give the man credit. He is an excellent showman. He does his job supremely well. He has the crowd singing, cheering, competing for loudness; and at the end, a huge send off. Muse was poised and ready to play allowing for a seamless transition and an extended concert experience, at least in my mind. So before you judge the man for doing his job, watch him actually DO HIS JOB. Then compare him to every other egocentric lead singer that was famous when there wasn’t social media to exploit their eccentricity. I am sure you can think of a few.

[@nagini06]

I've developed a love-hate relationship with 30stm and Jared Leto myslef. I got obsessed with the band in 2006 then in like 2011 I started seeing through the bullshit and drifted away completely. Then after hearing the beautiful speech Jared made about Chester Bennington's death I kinda went back to following 30stm. Now I've got tickets to their two upcoming shows and I'm obsessed again. I am aware of all the things you talked about in the video, I agree with it and I wish they went back to playing rock again but I don't know, I don't care that much. I think Chester's death had a lot to do with that. I want to appreciate my childhood/teenage idols while I can. Great video!

[@jrrcorcloudsaremine]

nagini06 You’re brainwashed, wake the fuck up! Jared mocks Jesus. I can’t believe you came to your senses, but went back. Abusive relationship much?

[@nagini06]

Jrrcor haha, I love it!

[@sofycolt27]

@@jrrcorcloudsaremine That's the think what turn me off about Jared. He mocks Jesus and hang out with famous perv Terry Richardson. I dig that guy and he is awful. It's strange how I didn't see it years ago, but I guess people just don't think when they see such attractive man

[@jrrcorcloudsaremine]

sofycolt27 There are so many other guys that are much more attractive than Jared. Sad... He’s really not that great. He has to surround himself with kids because a real woman would never put up with his crap!

[@jrrcorcloudsaremine]

nagini06 it’s the truth... Why get stuck on someone who can’t even talk about love or sex on the right way..??? He thinks sex is a power play? Honestly, he’s really not even that cute when you compare him to someone like Jason Momoa. That’s a real man!!!

[@lambchopminky4570]

Ok guys, so I saw 30 seconds play here in the UK a couple of nights ago, and what a let down! Last saw them back in 2013 and they were good. This time around there was no support band as advertised, Letto bounced around the stage whilst the crowd did most of the singing, and when he did sing it wasn't clear, more a mumble with a few lyrics thrown in for good measure. The whole thing lasted around an hr and a half. Wtf? Won't go see them again.

[@laurab7094]

Sarah Hart i just saw them tonight(birmingham) and i am in complete agreement with your experience. So little singing. Annoyingly, they were completely different to when i saw then over a decade ago. So full of life and energy and his singing was brilliant(he actually sung EVERY song) Tonight was a disappointing performance.

[@adenl565]

Seen them twice and love Jared and the band they have made so many amazing songs and I bloody love them

[@abhishekraj8055]

It was the first band who drove me into rock music Always loved them

[@emyf9197]

I do think his fashion is most pretensious.. its like he walks in a closet and comes out with random stuff on him n it aint look good. Especially with the whole charles manson face n hair going on.

[@baronlemewproductions2787]

Dude. Jared Leto is doing what he loves. As you get older your emotions change and Jared Leto has a lot of emotions. The music they create today is perfect for themselves. He isn't doing as many drugs as he did as his early days and that's why the music doesn't sound the same. I love the first two albums more than anything else they have done but at the end of the day the music really comes from the soul and Jared Leto isn't the acid dosing, cocaine hitting, crazy guy he was 20 years ago. I love 30stm no matter what direction they go.

[@Merdicano]

What do you think of the third album?, Just curious

[@EnDependance123]

True but Leto never did drugs at all

[@Farkasm]

@@EnDependance123 Are you sure about that?

[@KingPeenor]

1.1k moms disliked this

[@rinanomainichi]

I LOVED their first two albums. But "This Is War" already felt pretentious as shit. It sounded flat and emotionless for me. After that album, I grew cold.

[@Merdicano]

As someone that praises "This Is War" as a musical masterpiece, I can understand your opinion

[@marshugs78]

This is War is about the battle of them winning a law suit

[@MindzEyz]

I agree that the old stuff is the "goods", but evidently somebody's diggin' it. There fanbase seems to be significant. I find the whole "selling out" thing a little absurd though. As a 53 year old musician, I can't imaging never growing or evolving musically. When people would have that claim on Metallica I would always say "It's kind of hard to pretend to still be mad at the world when you've got 50 million in the bank". Just sayin'.

[@juliekrocova]

This episode was very interesting, a good one. I personally do like music by 30STM and one time I was really into this band so I decided to join the echelon facebook groups etc. but I couldn't stand it, as any fandom really, everyone was obsessed about the frontman and sexualizing everything, I was there because of the music but not everyone was there because of that. And I can see a bit why people call it cult, even though I myself also wouldn't go that far to call it that, but with those camps and their image, it seems like it a little bit. But I still like to listen to them and I'm excited for their new material.

[@R_A120]

I love this band but the 'hardcore' fanbase makes me so uncomfortable

[@juliekrocova]

I didn't like Dangerous Night either but I really like the song Walk On Water. So I have some hopes. Also, none of their albums dissapointed me yet. Either way, I will definitely check out their next album.

[@TeriLynn923]

Julie k. I know what you mean. I've been a fan of this band since the early days and I have gone back and forth with the fandom. It's nice talking to a group of people with the same interests you have but I always end up backing out again because it gets too intense. Too much drama. Too much worship (esp. Jared) , and yes, over sexualizing everything but Jared eggs that shit on big time. I'm huge fan of the 1st 2 albums. I like TIW well enough. LLF&D has a couple of songs I like but so far, I've not liked anything off the new album.

[@mck7646]

What I dislike about 30stm aside from the incredibly pedestrian pop music are their little teeny bopper fans who obsess over Jared Leto cause he's good looking and "so talented" when it's been proven the guy has a massive ego and he's clearly a poser.

[@aroundtherod]

I see a lot of people judging bands or artists for having a different style or communication with your fans and i think the points that you talked doesn't make 30stm a "bad band" i agree in several points but the show is wonderful, have a beautiful magic and the different ways of scream like "oh oh" as simply a part of their style i'm a brasilian and precocious fan for the band and i like 95% of their music. I'm fan of Linkin Park too, and a lot of bands alternative/rock/pop/synth. is simply an absence of understanding. I had turn a fan after listening a several times their musics until understand the band and really like it.

[@joshuastewart3575]

i freaking love them saw them 2 . times one last sat and it was incredible. last time not so much but it was with muse muse will always kill no pun intended.

[@alycias5667]

Im a 30STM fan as well but its not just about the target audience. I think ppl are looking too far away from the point. Alot of their music from the past 3 albums all tell a story. Its deeperr than ppl may think. Thats why older ppl relate more than the ypunger crowd. Idl much about how Jared but he is human. He no different than the nice or stuck up snobby neighbor you have next door. Ppl are ppl.

[@FurianPA]

I just started getting familiar w/ the band. Slowly going through their stuff. The first album? I'm in the minority. I HATE THAT ALBUM! Most songs all blend into one another.The music is WAY too electronic. Vocals are WAY too autotuned. On the LLFD album, you REALLY think that End of All Days and Up in the Air sound alike??? Um ok. As for all the 'moms', you DO realize that Jared was born in 1971. He started rising in 1995 w/ My So Called Life. We were both 25. People a lil younger than us and going all the way to HS/JrHigh age watched. Now a lot of them are in their 50's -30's.Soooooo......you're saying that only people a certain AGE should listen to this band?? Mmmm.....no. If anything, yiunger people should educate themselves & listen from RnR's inception from the 50's to now. Know/learn your history. You may NOT like everything you hear but at least you gave it a chance. DON"T be narrowminded or pigeon hole people.

[@KHAOTiC_HOE]

i agreed with everything but the fact their fandom is only attracted by Jared "beauty" or whatever. i dont care if his face comes along. I love songs!!

[@Cait98_]

Whilst I admire Jared's beauty, it's actually Shannons beauty I admire more😍. I love their music also

[@tumulovermelho93]

I used to be a huge fan of 30 Seconds to Mars. Discovered them, like most people, with A Beautiful Lie. I love the first 3 albums even if This Is War is flawed and enjoyed LLFD for bringing an electronica vibe to rock. I disliked everything else that they released afterwards. No longer a fan. I personally disagree with the point about their songs being all the same though. Some are similar, but I found your example to be jarring, A Beautiful Lie. You can't listen to The Kill and tell me it sounds similar to The Fantasy, Was It A Dream, R-evolve, From Yesterday or Hunter, or say any of these are similar to the others in the album.

[@mudkipjuice]

I just have to roll my eyes when people say any artist "sells out" and makes their music mainstream for money. Im sure sometimes that happens, but the vast majority of the time it's the record labels that demand that. Everyone should know by now how money-hungry music producers are. That's why more often than not if an artist switches to a different label, their sound changes. Common sense people, use it.

[@WorldofMichelleHilton]

AND WHOSE PROBLEM IS THIS.

[@machrell]

Whatever, i still love 30stm ❤

[@carterboggess2372]

This is war is one of my favorite albums of all time, and I also saw them on the carnivores tour with Linkin Park and I thought they were awesome, but I honestly do agree with a lot of the things you said.

[@joshuaduque8819]

Carter Boggess they were horrible in that tour I was so disappointed that The Whole band didn’t even play the kill with the band and just made us sing that song :/

[@carterboggess2372]

That was probably the main thing I didn't like about the set, but I still thought jared and the boys sounded good

[@abundantsolutionscounselin5760]

Totally Agree. Love the old stuff after the War Album it just went to hell. Stop the woooooooohhhhhhhh in every song for god sake.

[@MoWuggets]

I don’t hate them I just have only listened to one of their songs. That was the kill and it was pretty good.

[@soil80]

Liked their first 3 albums, after that not so much. Jared is promoting his album on Instagram with half naked pictures of himself. It's a bit too much considering that he seems to need looks to promote a bad album.

[@varkolak7779]

next one: Reasons Why People Hate Weezer

[@Hola-tq4pg]

That's a video i will paid for

[@ashleykelly1445]

I just learned that Jared is 49 years old. I can't believe that 😬

[@crustpunkjesuschrist]

Eh, the new stuff just tries too hard to be anthemic, but the first few albums were great. Walk on water is the most overrated song by them by far. It is lame and the wo-a-ohs annoy me

[@EMDEEW]

It's not necessarily pretentious, it is just pathetic. Literally filled with pathos to the brim. The 'completely epic' quality they put in so many songs is just completeley pathos saturated so as to become funny, and it makes any listener older than 22 without their development arrested just laugh a bit; the drama in their songs is completely out of proportion, because the songs deal with heart breaks of a 16 year old, or with things that most people just eventually get over and leave behind. When in puberty, we think our problems are all so big as to fill the entire universe. But when we grow up, and our self-inflation comes to a halt (hopefully), we start seeing things in better proportions. Most people laugh a bit at how seriously they took themselves when they were 15. But this band is still there, and it takes the 15-year-old-pathos to be a guiding principle in all their music.

[@layalysh]

i actually really like their album "A beautiful lie"

[@SecondTake123]

Jared Leto is a little too full of it! Very talented actor but musician not too much. I like a few of their songs from the early 2000s but that's about it.

[@SomeSong2]

1 through 6: Walk On Water

[@blueberrydenim4807]

Scott Basler & Dangerous night

[@happyears21694]

"Hail to the Victor" is even worse than these 2 to be honest.

[@Carmenvillegas]

I agree with the way they treat their fans. Jared is very rude. It happened to me. I was the last one left inside a theatre after winning tickets for a screening for his Huracane video and I asked him if I could get a picture. He looked at me and called his security guard and told him something. As the security guard started walking towards me Jarod walked away and the guard told me to exit the theatre. I was dissapointed because I was being polite and respectful and he could have easily said. No sorry and didn't have to send anyone. Also.. why not take a picture with someone that won tickets from them? You would think they would want to treat their fans good.

[@isaacalexander9461]

I think these are fair opinions, especially the ones about Jared’s ego and a lack of stage presence when on tour. I personally don’t think that all the songs sound the same and I was a fan of their last 2 albums. Obviously they don’t come close to a beautiful lie, but they’re not the worst records to label themselves as rock albums. I love when Jared unleashes on songs but I think it is fair to say that he’s been kind of being complacent with the vocals as of recent (post-a beautiful lie). Still, I’ve remained a fan and I find lots of high points in each record. Kind of hoping the new record isn’t pure trash and has more good than bad. Not too optimistic based off of the first two songs, though.

[@fortunamajor7239]

The mom point in particular cracked me up because my friend's mom has been stanning Jared Leto since he was on My So-Called Life, so she's basically grown up alongside him. I think that's why so much of the fanbase are around the same age as the band members themselves haha I have a lot of nostalgia for A Beautiful Lie myself because I listened to it a ton in middle school, but post-This Is War I've not been a fan for pretty much all the reasons you've discussed in this video.

[@NicciJ9G.DivineWarrior11]

All the "mom" things you say are true lol cause I'm one of em! 😅 Jared is perfect in every way in my eyes no matter what anyone ever says about him. Haters gunna hate 🙉🙈🙊

[@andyroo5840]

I personally love Thirty Seconds To Mars. I do agree that Jared Leto is pretty egotistical, but that doesn’t really affect the way I listen to them. I like how they switch up the vibe of the music for every album. The chorus’ do sound the same on each album but I think it’s kinda cool. It gives a certain sound to the album. I understand why a lot of people don’t like them. Hell, one of my best friends says she doesn’t like them because of Jared Leto. But I do really like Thirty Seconds To Mars and the way they’re very thematic. And honestly, I’m not that excited for the new album. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[@silviadebossens]

As an actor, i like him Very Very much! As a singer, hes a Very good actor.✌️💐✌️

[@Jackson-zk5mu]

I think they are quite good, or at least they used to be. The first 3 albums and their rarities are extremely good, but after that it went downhill, fast.

[@fredjohnson7588]

About the mom thing, you have to think, their first album came out in 2002 or 2003 and 2nd came out in 2005. Woman who were 20 then would be 40 more or close

[@yudhabagaskara98]

I still had a hope after successful post world record and leto's oscar-winning tours, but they recently made style change and the new album will disappoints me a lot

[@paulvenn4447]

That's what happens when you win an Oscar I spose haha

[@Merdicano]

@@paulvenn4447 That's what happens when studio butchers you down over and ruins your acting image

[@pavma7]

Worst thing I heard is the thing that gunn said about leto. Thats just shocking

[@broc8095]

I used to like 30 Seconds To Mars. However, they’ve pulled a Muse and changed their sound poorly.

[@solluxstark4474]

Does anyone else just get major creep vibes from Jared Leto? Especially after what he did on the suicide squad set?

[@13Rowan1]

Interesting points, but as much as I have seen them, gone to Mars Camp, I have to disagree with most opinions. Mars and Jared Leto are very down to earth, fun, and caring. "The Internet" always has "their" opinion. It's for those who understand. You either get it or you don't.

[@jrrcorcloudsaremine]

What adult would go to a camp to be around to do arts and crafts and spend just enough time with the band to appease you? A lot of hungry ass suckers. Again, ridiculous!

[@Merdicano]

@@jrrcorcloudsaremine I would, I think the idea sounds awesome, unfortunately I'm just too poor to afford it

[@mechadie5915]

My god you’re making money from this badness? What the fuck am I doing with my life.

[@suyareads]

I used to be a massive fan of them! I love A beautiful lie and This is War, whereas the first album is a bit too much to me. But love lust face and dreams was way to pop for me, as well as their new songs. Also I have stopped understanding them as band, they are going on tour now without even having released a new album, and those fan gigs they do are really weird to me. And yes Jared is very egocentric, but he used to be a very nice person and very nice to fans, as far as im concerned.

[@suyareads]

I also feel like it made more sense to be a fangirl when i was 13 then now (im 20). If they released good songs like they used to i would gladly listen to them, but as it seems they will continue to put quantity over quality my days as a part of the echelon are over .

[@benanin1889]

I totally agree. Also, I dont wanna offend you, but their current style is also approached for 13 year old girls. You just grew out of them:) The´re many bands growing with their fanbase, and bands like 30STM or Maroon 5 which are always aiming for the top 10 charts, which are unfortunately determined by younger people. Makes me sad to see that cause I love his acting roles and liked the first albums tho.

[@sofycolt27]

The same thing. I used to be a big fan of 30STM since I was 13 years old. Now, I am in my mid twenties and I can't listen their new album at all. It feels like they made it within one week. Only Remedy has some feelings in it. Although I am very grateful to 30STM, because of them I met a lot of friends and 6 years ago, I met one of my best friend-she was from Echelon too. I also had opportunity to meet Tomo on the street and went on coffee with him. He is simply nice guy. I was so disappointed to know that he quite the band. Something went wrong since 30STM is very important for him. As for Jared, I met him once 4 years ago. He was so tired, but still he gave autographs. I went to their concert 5 month ago and they were late for 1 hour. The energy on the concert isn't the same and new album is primitive. Jared was acting like the King on the show, trying to force fans to sing his new songs that they actually didn't know so well. It seems like his image is more important for him that actually music. Unfortunately, I'm so disappointed in this band... This is so depressing.

[@Merdicano]

@@sofycolt27 Oh, grow up

[@sofycolt27]

@@Merdicano 🤦‍♂️ How about express your opinions instead of stupid remarks?

[@svrzainim93]

Agree with most of the points. But I think it's mostly Jared Leto doing most of the work in the band and it seems he overexperiments most of the things. And he seems lazy and also desperate to prove that he can still produce art in the form of music, after his movies go downhill in recent. His roles in new mainstream movies has always got unnoticed and I feel he is trying hard not to let it hurt his ego.

[@Lea-pe9zc]

30stm is not for everyone, just for those who understand

[@JohnnyHoney]

Bands that have had the same sounds for decades and still awesome: Metallica, RHCP, Thirty Seconds to Mars and AC/DC. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Same sound hate is BS.

[@trisha2286]

Hey, hello. I hope you read this. For This is war album, the reason it sounded different, a departure from the first 2, was because they were going through getting sue by their record label at the time. Emotions were high, that’s around the time I started to listen to them. I consider myself an echelon thru and thru. I watch your videos and love this band. But for sure you pointed out some real issues with the band. Yes, it’s a cult. Jared does have an ego, he’s also a control freak. But I’ve met them twice. At the this is war tour and carnivores tour. At meet and greets he’s actually super cool, the whole band is. But I feel that a lot of ppl harass him and may encounter a meaner side of him. I find their live shows to be fun, fan base is super tight. Seen them live 5-6 times. Their sound is going in a direction that I don’t like. It feels too main stream. I enjoyed love lust faith dreams, but you’re right it’s been style over substance for sure with these guys sadly. I still don’t regret my mars tattoo or that I wear my triad all the time. I might catch them on this monolith tour. I have found myself listening to them a lot less, but I know even if I’m listening to other bands, they will still be in my heart. Cheers

[@anniem6114]

Hey.. I am with you on lots of your points! I Love their music up until I heard Dangerous Night. I felt it would be a mistake .I do feel very much the same with Jards larger than life..but I also did not see him become a tv crush on tbat tv show.i only found their music when by chance a pic of him made me look as he is a gorgeous looking man. Im old to most here and never comment..im 50.yup fkn old but love all tbeir music and live in Oz so I dont get to meet or concerts only in replay.im coming to Camp Mars and ill give my opinion if they are down to earth still ok. I hope they do flip music back to what we all loved and were happy to feel Echelon..even though the word is funny ok.so we can keep hope for Mars👍👍👍

[@sophiedufresne7459]

As a fan, i can assure you their songs do NOT all sound the same! Sure, some are really similar but every tune has it's own twist and is unique

[@oliverwilson7529]

I always look forward to your videos :) keep up the good work!

[@DuffyLONER64]

Haven't watched it yet, but I'm predicting one of the reasons is that Jared Leto is an actor & that he played the Joker in Suicide Squad, and that he currently looks like Jesus.

[@andysouk1993]

Will you be attending their Monolith Tour with Walk The Moon, Joywave & Misterwives?

[@Valoweeinie9]

I am not. I wish I was but ticket prices are way to high. I remember when Mars tickets were $30. It is really sad. Even the tour they did with LP and AFI was under $50. And we got to see three amazing bands not just one.

[@juliaengelhardt2401]

No.5 is the main reason why i don't like Mars anymore.Some fans are just too weird.But i do agree with all of what he said .

[@rileykeene7614]

Haha yeah... My 41 year old mother really likes 30 Seconds To Mars. She's not like a massive fan or anything, but I've noticed that she always makes sure to turn the volume up when one of their songs is on the radio. What is it about moms and Jared Leto?

[@thecosmicblueautie]

Two words: Jordan Catalano

[@jennistarr7489]

bookworm394 hes a 47 great looking sexy man and yes im 38 a mom and grandmother and i love 30secondstomars im going to their concert in june2018.. Ur mum knows a sexy man when she sees one 😉

[@christinamoore3626]

Umm maybe it's because Jared is 46 and has been famous since he was a teen. So he is actually older than your mom

[@christinamoore3626]

Lightning Pill Yeeessss

[@kweenofnoize2145]

I have no idea what to make my username Well, I became a fan when they started back when I was a teenager, so a person can't continue to be a fan of a band and their music as they get older? I'm not a mom, but I am 32, and it is not because of their looks, I'm talking about the MUSIC, so please enlighten me, I wasn't aware that people had to stop being a fan of certain bands as they get older. I have been a fan of the Foo Fighters since I was a kid, and I still am, same with Linkin Park, Garbage, The Pixies, New Found Glory, Otep, truly, I could name every band that I became a fan of when I was a kid, so how is that any different just because some women like them for their looks, and not just Jared, but also Shannon, and Tomo, does not mean all of us are fans for that reason, and staying a fan as you get older is in no way a bad thing, or weird. Music is music and the fans are fans, period, end of story, if you don't like them, don't listen to them. Why spread hate and gossip for absolutely no reason? If you aren't a true music fan, spend your time doing something else, it's that easy.

[@anjakaulma]

I love the music and yes, Jared is hot. But how they act with stuff like selling simple T-shirts worn one time by Jared for nearly 400 (!!!)§, or the prices they took for Camp Mars (which itself is weird) are only one thing in my opinion: selfish egomanic profit gathering stuff. Nothing else. When they say their Fan-Base is Family, then drum sessions with Shannon on Camp Mars or meditation with Jared should be for free. It isn't normal behavior to sell 4 nights in a tiny house with the opinion to have dinner or something with Jared for 6500 (!!!) §.

[@roselee5512]

Totally agree with you and also that 30stm book for $500! It’s so ridiculous the Mars island prices are ridiculous the merch everything really. I was a huge fan of them but I have officially left the fan base because they are too greedy now and obviously just care about the money.

[@nathalielibelmorin7956]

I love 30 seconds to mars. But I do agree with EVERYTHING on this list! Lol! I am very weird, so mabe that's why I love Jared Leto so much. Back in 2009, with their album This is War, I thought about few of their songs to be boring because of the repetivity of the songs being very similar to one another. For example, I really disliked Hurricane in 2009, but it hit home in 2016. These songs are meant to be heard when you are at a certain point of your life and not before. They have deep meaning, more than you think. Talking about world issues, division in people and religion... these are things Jared adresses and for sure he'll have a back lash of hate for giving his opinion. So no wonder he is so rude. At a certain point of your life, you stop trying to impress people, celebrity or not. I saw them live twice and never had the actual proof that Jared can sing live (except on Instagram). The first time in 2013 made me quit listening to them for 3 years, then the 2nd time in 2017, I didn't even noticed. I was singing too loud to even hear him! lol. I do think however that it's the key to success to be this egocentric, because wanting to be famous IS egocentric in itself. I like how involved he is in the present with politics and with the opinions of his fans. If he comes off rude, sorry if this is rude, but there are so much BS people out there that I can't blame him. Fans are so demanding so you need to distance yourself from them. For the mom part... he is 46 years old. So it's normal he attracts people more of his age. Even if I am 25 and mesmerized by him. Anyway, these are all facts about this band. But he meaning behing it matters the most

[@ScoopedUp]

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