6 Things Wrong With Batman Arkham Knight's Story

[@GameDenColor]

My latest video on Gotham Knights's 3 biggest problems: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoCpd6yLp5mJpc0

[@TITANia69420]

"Batman, I'm trying to sneak around. But I'm dummy thicc. And the clap of my asscheeks keep alerting Penguin's men."

[@TITANia69420]

@CyberPup 22 Works🤣 But this was intentionally for Nightwing

[@DrewShiiesty]

You have problems bro

[@VergilLover69]

"Bruce! I'm tryna sneak around this warehouse, but I'm DUMMY THICC and clap 👏🏿 of my ass 🍑 cheeks keeps alerting Deathstroke 💀!"*

[@scottangus6684]

Biggest flaw for me was how Jason Todd was a big villain in this game when you never got to hear anything about him in previous games. When I first played Arkham knight I didn’t know who Jason Todd was at allso when the character is written in out of nowhere I wasn’t emotional connected to the character. However after watching under the red hood I like Jason now but they butchered his character a little bit because the joker is dead so jason shouldn’t be that angry at Batman. In under the red hood the whole point of that was batman let the joker live. Also didn’t like how scarecrow felt like a different character from asylum, plus he should be getting revenge on killer croc and not batman.

[@SHEVCHENKOFAN18]

He's mentioned in Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.

[@Dgjserffft]

In the arkhamverse Red Hood’s motivation isn’t “I’m mad cuz you didn’t kill joker even after he killed me” he’s mad the Batman didn’t look for him and replaced him so soon. He has a completely different motivation in the arkhamverse lmao

[@AkkiBot]

I understand how it’s awkward Jason was just thrown into the Arkham trilogy, but I feel like a good amount of the audience knew him as the DC character from comics or wherever it may be before the game. It’s not that people don’t know the character it’s that he didn’t seem to really belong in his role in knight.

[@JP-1990]

@@AkkiBot Most people don't know there's more than one Robin.

[@EditedAF987]

⁠@@SHEVCHENKOFAN18not directly though. The Asylum reference is just Joker teasing Batman that he’s in need of a new sidekick. While the reference in City is more explicit, it only happens if you play as Robin (a DLC character) on the Joker’s carninval challenge map (yet another DLC add on), meaning most players wouldn’t have caught it.

[@himynameiskobey.7994]

I'm glad someone talked about how the other villians should have had more plot significance. This really should have been a true Arkham World. Batman vs every single person in his rouges gallery. There could be so much fun opportunities there. Have Scarecrow hating Croc for disfiguring his face, maybe Riddler will be annoyed at everyone talking about Joker and not focusing on him. So much missed opportunities.

[@SoyboyPeter]

Scarecrow doesn’t bother hunting down croc because he doesn’t know where he is and he knows Croc is a dumb brutish animal that’ll just eat anything. When Croc attacked him, he knew it wasn’t personal.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

@@SoyboyPeter if that info was actually in the game, I would’ve commended them for smart and logical writing

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@Albino_Basilisk just because something isn’t shown to you at a first glance doesn’t mean it’s not there. They shouldn’t have to spoon feed you information.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

@@SoyboyPeter ok then where can I find this info in the game. Is there an easy to miss dialogue, or some kind of audio or bio that states that

[@ChampionZeme]

@@Albino_BasiliskBRO ATILL HASN’T RESPONDED TOO 😭😭😭

[@tillerthekiller6789]

i agree with the harley quinn comments, she definitely wouldn’t have accepted the new joker’s. in fact, she would try to kill them only because they’re not the original joker. total missed opportunity

[@Xehanort10]

Harley wanting the infected people to replace Joker seems like it's replacing the scrapped pregnancy hint from Arkham City which was retconned into a false positive in her Revenge DLC.

[@lincolnholocinski-francis9063]

An add-on to number 3, if Batman is mentally compromised, he SHOULD be keeping Robin around to draw the line, and pull Bruce in when Joker is taking over

[@dragonborn7955]

Despite a cheeky reference in Arkham Asylum. It was super vague if Jason Todd was even canon to the Arkhamverse. And honestly I believe he wasn't at first till Rocksteady made a sudden choice to make him canon.

[@bydlakbolszewik847]

It also means that Batman went through 3 robins in less than 10 years. I mean, Tim seems to be in his early to mid 20's when Robins usually start in their mid to late teens.

[@OMGSAMCOPSEY]

To have a Joker blood infection spreading around and not use it to introduce The Creeper is a missed opportunity.

[@pixman2581]

To be honest, I was so disappointed of the complete lack of Fear Toxin scenes. I loved them in Asylum. We could have very interesting Fear Toxin scenes about Batman's fears and failures from previous games. The Arkham Knight just used Fear Toxin to reintroduce Joker and the closest thing to Fear Toxin scenes we had three DLC tracks exclusively for PS4.

[@SoyboyPeter]

Well scarecrow is using a much stronger version of fear toxin in Arkham knight. Hallucination joker is a manifestation of Batman’s fear of breaking his no murder rule. Basically he’s afraid of becoming the joker.

[@RacingSnails64]

Technically the entire game is a fear toxin scene lol, with the Joker hallucinations. There's some stuff like the diner intro, Joker shooting Barbara, the Jason Todd flashbacks... But you are right that they never get as fantastical/worldbending as Asylum's scenes. Asylum definitely has the leg up there.

[@TristenSarelvun]

@@RacingSnails64 Tbh I think the flashbacks, Barbara shooting, and stuff like that makes _more_ sense than... a bunch of floating islands in a void. That doesn't sound like someone's fear or Scarecrow's deal at all; I honestly think it better fits Mad Hatter's world, like in Arkham Origins. Scarecrow's thing is breaking peoples' psyche using their own insecurities and fears. Floating platforms, while fun gameplay segments, don't fit that for most people, much less for someone like Batman who spends his free time jumping rooftops and wing gliding. That's also why Barbara's death isn't a plot hole. Scarecrow made Batman fear for her life by endangering her and reminding him of the previous times his family had been harmed, then planted her wheelchair and a gun in the room, or something along those lines. Even if Scarecrow didn't know exactly what Batman was seeing, he had set up the entire situation to make Batman see her death. You can make people fear things like that even without chemicals and gasses. It's exactly the kind of thing a fear-obsessed psychologist could do.

[@disneyboy3030]

​@@TristenSarelvunone thing I read on the Wiki was that she was in the room and saw what happened.

[@David-fanboy]

It was two problems for me. No Boss fights. And waaaaay to much Batmobile.

[@pn2294]

Boss fights feel weird in Stealth games

[@giosbizarreart9048]

@@pn2294if metal gear can do crazy unique boss fights in a way more grounded universe then a batman game certainly can have great boss fights aswell

[@spinny003]

I like Jonathan Banks as Gordon. Other than that I pretty much agree.

[@Stuffthatsfunny1]

Too much batmobile, no scarecrow asylum style levels, not enough of Todd in previous games, should have put mr freeze dlc in main game

[@MistahJay7]

The way Penguin "Captures" Nightwing the 2nd time at the end of the mission literally makes no sense. Like Bro just throw him over your shoulder what are you DOING Dick lmaaoooo it looks so funny seeing Penguin holding him hostage like that.

[@giosbizarreart9048]

Yeah that mission pissed me off like how is nightwing a damn near equal to batman getting captured by fucking penguin thugs and then get caught off guard by penguin??? Like Jesus Christ why is nightwing always direspected☠️

[@Jcksn046]

I played this game in 2015 and didn’t know who the Arkham Knight would be. In fact, due to Jason Todd appearing in so many hallucinations earlier in the game, I thought his face was another of those hallucinations at first. However, I was unfamiliar with the story of the Red Hood. Based on the backlash I have heard about _Arkham Knight_ since then, I imagine most players and Batman fans knew the story, and that the ending was predictable mainly for them (and possibly people with a good knowledge of scriptwriting).

[@Solid_Sayori]

I am going to push back a bit on the whole "how did scarecrow know what batman was seeing" thing. People seem to think that batman walked into the Chinatown building, saw Barbara, and scarecrow magically knew what batman saw. That's not what happened. Who do you think put Barbara's wheelchair in the chamber? Who went out of their way to imply the presence of Barbara? Batman was manipulated by scarecrow into seeing Barbara off herself. Think about it. He put the wheelchair there to make a Batman who is seeing fear toxin induced hallucinations to see Barbara. Then he started pretending to egg Barbara on, as though she were actually in the room. He didn't just know what batman was seeing. He caused him to see it. Scarecrow at this point has been perfecting his formula for years, and is essentially the master of fear toxin. It's not that much of a stretch for someone who makes a drug that influences a human's psychology to know a thing or two about human psychology.

[@soumararidi3723]

Johnathan banks was perfect for Gordon. His anger hits you hard. Especially with how rare it is to see Banks so emotional.

[@soumararidi3723]

Criticizing the existence of the red hood is clearly showing how u dont get how fucked Jason is. Batman’s crusade caused his madness

[@soumararidi3723]

I admit the 5 joker victims thing is a little stupid. But Batman’s fight against Joker in his mind is absolutely BRILLIANT. the finale knocked it out of the park. Scarecrow clearly talked about how different Batman was. In Barbra’s death, he ONLY mentioned her when Batman called out her name. He is a master of fear; and talked through this to destroy Batman’s mind. It was a perfect scene.

[@soumararidi3723]

Joker IS an idea, he is the other side of the same coin, he is what Batman could be if he let go. That was his fear. It wasnt possession, it was temptation. He perceived this fear of being killer, as him becoming the Joker. They literally couldve removed the 4 joker victims and this would’ve been fantastic.

[@soumararidi3723]

The side characters were rlly fucked over in this game tho. I agree w that

[@HunterWhoLaughs]

I agree Harley Quinn should have wanted to kill fake joker's because their impostors or perhaps off screen after she was mourning period she finally came to her senses that joker didn't love her.

[@after-hours]

Arkham Knight definitely suffered because Paul dini did not write for it

[@Harryerpoow]

I was gonna say the same thing.

[@Kpengie]

No idea why Rocksteady decided to drop Dini. That was a huge mistake.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

I will admit, for all its flaws, how the Joker is sealed away in Batman's psyche was great

[@braydenmiller7548]

They should’ve just kept Tom Kane throughout the entire Arkham Series. Besides Origins of course

[@thedudecalledalan9095]

The game should have delved deep into the fact that Batman keeps failing to not only save his loved ones but even criminals He lost Jason, Talia, Joker, and now Barbara He should begin to question if he really even is still a hero and Jason Todd would complement that mentality as well, as Jason also doesn't know who to blame for his death Jason's return would be the final straw to break Batman's back, the final thing to really make him questions what even is The Batman

[@LucasHopkins2006]

Anyone else think Scarecrow was an absolute idiot in this game, like dude Croc messed you up, not Batman, and Jason literally had a clear shot to kill Batman in a helicopter but you said “no we need to break him first”, 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@frogglen6350]

Well this is the sane franchise where Hugo strange has batman unconscious and chained up but still doesn't do anything.

[@EclipseHedgehog]

ever since the knightfall saga in the 90's, they've tried desperately to recapture that but it just. doesn't. work. not anymore. poor bane, they ripped off knightfall a bit by having joker loose goons in asylum but the fact you fight a titan version of joker makes me go "this is Bane's shtick...this is just knightfall with the roles reversed." also the fact they make batman feel guilty for "killing joker" is baloney. joker killed himself by juicing himself with titan and then proceeded to make batman drop the cure like an idiot. Batman can be feeling 'empty/sad/mourning" or whatever for joker not being there anymore but he most certainly didn't "kill" him.

[@ExValeFor]

@@EclipseHedgehog glad someone else sees it. I feel absolutely no remorse for Arkham Batman, the man is a complete lunatic and is written like one. It's clearly the author's intent, too, but we're somehow meant to think it's deep or profound?

[@scarecrow484]

his motivations are not to kill batman like every other freak in gotham. scarecrow literally says that at the end tht he will let him go so that he can live and suffer.

[@jaydimmick8554]

I'm fucking sorry? Johnathan Banks was a bad gordon??? Are you ok??

[@Chaser547]

Something I'd have done differently is have Jason notice the eye thing that happens for whatever reason when 'Joker' is trying to influence Batman. In a fit of anger that the Clown was getting in the way even from the dead, Jason hits Bats with the reality that it's all just the gas influencing his mind. Cause at the end of the day Jason wants to take him down but if he's compromised in any way the victory is hollow.

[@valentine3159]

16:00 Harley referred to them as her babies in the game she wasn’t in love with them like tha

[@juice_demon6991]

Don't they say the fake jokers are literally fake jokers? I just played the game again, and there's a line where the real Joker says "There's only one Joker bats, and it's me." so, saying they remove agency from the original Joker by saying they are literally becoming him is false when the game makes it a point saying that's not the case.

[@AvidCS]

Yes they’re fake jokers who have been turned insane by jokers blood, and in some way represent different aspects of Joker.

[@csquared84]

I personally love Johnathan Banks as Gordon but I know not everyone likes his portrayal. I don’t mind the Batmobile too much and looking back, the story isn’t perfect but I still think it’s fine. Overall Arkham Knight is my second favorite game behind Arkham City, even though Riddler was handled better in Arkham Knight than City

[@NormanTiner]

13:45 everything up to this point I kinda let slide as a difference in opinion, but I just have to point out that of course we don't know what's going on during his blackouts/freak outs. It's a narrative from Batman's perspective. I'm assuming he either stood still or failed to fight of enemies that he thought we defeated. Also, plenty of people commented that he didn't look good, didn't seem the same, and Alfred even asked if he heard him.

[@BaliUchiha]

I like Gordon’s voice actor but other than that I completely agree with everything stated in this video

[@Xehanort10]

11:26 References to him and other characters talking about him would have been fine but the "Lazarus in Ra's blood cured Batman's Titan disease but didn't get rid of Joker's blood in him" retcon and the 4 infected people plot was pointless.

[@Xehanort10]

7:24 Knight's also the only game where he gets story relevance.

[@andiakpan8502]

I think Arkham city is still the best game. Knight was a bit too easy imo. The fear takedown should’ve been limited to 3 people and the predator rooms weren’t as charming. And idk the different enemy types in this game weren’t as fun.

[@disneyboy3030]

Actually each of the Joker infected people have a different aspect of the Joker's personality.

[@OYME13]

I think Jonathan Banks did a good job. Other than that I agree with you. Especially concerning the Batmobile, and Jason Todd.

[@cleaningfluid8414]

The thing is, in the Arkham games are linked to joker and batman, so it makes sense to have him

[@after-hours]

I also did not like how small Gotham City was I was expecting it to be GTA with Batman at least that's something Gotham knights do it right

[@JesG.]

Ngl I was hoping there was a fight with Batman and Robin in a fight with Arkham Knight and maybe Nightwing like they could've made the excuse that Jason all these years trained hard and got a little strong not enough to beat Batman but to outsmart them in the fight you can switch to any character just for they can have better involvement in the story

[@LikeAFoxStudios]

Great Video!

[@theonlybilge]

I'm tha Jokah bay bee

[@Skeditx95]

Bought a gaming laptop playing on rtx 2050 The game is really well stable now compare to launced port The gameplay, traversal, batmobile is really great. Fear takedown, improved stealth system, combat is really improvement over previous 3. Yeah batmobile is heavily relied on, and story is bit here and there. If paul dini wrote it, it'll be complete package

[@daniellauricella5132]

I agree with some parts of this, and disagree with others. I definitely disagree that Red Hood/Jason Todd "shouldn't exist", but I'll refrain from going into detail on that and instead argue some other points: 1) I don't really think your claim that Joker is a man and not an idea doesn't quite work for me. Yes, he is objectively a human man. But I think he's also an idea. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Batman and Superman (among others), are often talked about in-universe and out as being symbols and ideas as well as individuals. That's part of why Bruce Wayne and Kal-El aren't the only Batman and Superman: both mantles have been held by many other characters, precisely because Batman and Superman are ideas and not JUST people. I think Joker can be viewed in the same way. So to say it's incorrect to view the Joker as an idea and not as a man doesn't ring true to me. And it's not as though this game is the only thing that has gone the route of depicting the Joker as an idea that can infect people like a virus and turn them into nihilistic monsters like him. Heck, I'd argue that was effectively Joker's big plan in The Dark Knight: to make Gotham's people like him (or else show that they were secretly like him all along). Finally, the Joker movie also goes with the idea, since Arthur Fleck's actions inspire legions of people to become wannabe Jokers and rally around him. 2) I think Harley's obsession with the Joker wannabes is consistent with her character up to that point. Remember that Arkham City's DLC makes it clear that the Joker's death has caused her to go even crazier than before. So it makes sense to me that an even more deranged Harley who never got over losing Joker would try desperately to find a replacement for him anywhere she can. People who try to "replace" a lost loved one with someone who reminds them of the original person isn't unbelievable to me, and again, this is a Harley who was already established as having gone completely nuts. So I don't really see it as "character assassination". Truth be told, I tend to prefer Harley as a villain than as an Anti-Hero, and I kind of like that the Arkham games actually kept her as the former instead of trying to make her the latter.

[@ADDOOOMZZ]

I love the new like button...also awesome video! :D

[@GameDenColor]

Thanks!

[@osore_rareru]

In the beginning, why is he putting a Xbox one disc into an Xbox 360

[@deejaycxre]

I do agree that arkham knight is poorly written, but i heavily disagree with johnathan doing a bad job at voicing james. i dont particularly see why you would think so.. his voice fits.. even if it is a bit gritty. But it works.

[@LoaderVideos22]

Great video

[@GameDenColor]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@savatar360]

You didn’t like Jonathan Banks as Gordon? , I didn’t know people didn’t like him.😢

[@silentghost751]

Release the Dini cut

[@STOKEZGAMING]

Yeah i love troy baker but here his voice is really annoying and the dialogue is cringey asf at times. Idk maybe its because i just really hate hot red hood was done in this game, also troy was tim drake in arkham city cut to him now being jason todd which felt so unnecessary, troy baker already voice liek 5 different character in the series they shouldve gone with someone else

[@GotMurf]

Is this a repost? I feel like i've heard this before?

[@GameDenColor]

yeah I flagged that in the description. I’m migrating videos I’ve made to a new video game dedicated channel. Sorry for the confusion!

[@pakman0049]

People bitch and moan about the story... in a VIDEO GAME. How about that gameplay tho? Which is what should be paramount when critiquing a VIDEO GAME

[@captainblighe7297]

Arkham Knight should’ve been Prometheus/The Wrath with Red Hood as his personal Robin/Scorn. Have Scarecrow not by the villain that United the villains but a very important part of the story with a boss fight as the Scarebeast. Have more expansive DLC packs for Nightwing, Robin, Harley, and Jason. Let them be free roam and have more missions and improved development. Have Harley gotten over the Jokers death by the story of the main game and give her the Gotham City Sirens bar or something. Make her a neutral person who doesn’t care for the other villains plots, but when Selina gets kidnapped and Ivy gets killed, she gets involved as the antihero she is now. I have other specific ideas but that’s it. Also have give Azrael a goddamn dlc pack

[@jared5660]

I wanna say the whole joker blood plot line makes no sense at all because in Arkham city we’re told it’s killing Batman and the joker and we see no effects of the becoming of the joker in the game, and we see that it takes literally one night for someone to go from healthy to almost dead but that also doesn’t make sense either because joker survived for months and does that also imply all the other people died because of the Titan formula or just him? Even if you bring up blood types, joker had gave so many people titans so it’s likely someone with his same blood type had got infected. I would also like to point out in Harley Quinn’s revenge, Batman had been active for months without anything happening to him.

[@theonlybilge]

I kind of thought that Joker was the only one who seemed to get sick with -AIDS- Titan formula because he took more than the titan henchmen did.

[@theonlybilge]

Can't believe you missed the single biggest flaw in this game, this is absolutely unforgivable of both the game and you: Batman's head is just a little too thin, his lips are a little too red, and are also simultaneously too pouty but also too thin. Occasionally, I thought "well maybe that's part of the Jokering" but I finished the main story and he still looked like that.

[@kackman1]

People bashing the joker is main guy again... well of course he is the arkham games is the story of batman and joker thats why ... the others are extra

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Their story should’ve ended in city. Joker being the main antagonist of origins and knight will forever be criticized, and rightfully so.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do yes, obviously the games in hindsight are about them. But you know what knight was marketed as? The scarecrow is back and he’s the main antagonist. And yet again the joker over shadows him and Jason.

[@Xehanort10]

No. Asylum and City were about them but Joker was shoehorned into Origins which should have been set before they met not when they first met and Knight despite him being dead and his body cremated.

[@Xehanort10]

@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do You could have had a game without Joker, he didn't have to be in every game and shouldn't have been in Origins or Knight.

[@kackman1]

@Xehanort10 but orgins was the start of it (how they met).... asylum and city was there story together. And knight was how he was infected and even after death of the joker he was still battling against him...

[@liamtankard]

the riddler trophies are the WORST part of this game

[@SoyboyPeter]

Because they require critical thinking and can’t solved in less than 5 seconds like in the previous games.

[@deandanielson8950]

You have no idea that this game makes us use our critical thinking skills as if we are in school and this is why doing puzzles and reading and understanding is important reading comprehension is very important to have

[@tyleroutland435]

The story is trash

[@SoyboyPeter]

This isn’t criticism. At least try to cook up some arguments as to the why the story sucks. This video isn’t proof because almost all of the criticisms listed here in are incorrect. Arkham city is objectively the worst Batman Arkham story. Everything from how stupid the villains are, and how stupid talia is, to how poorly developed Hugo strange is, to how clumsily and poorly executed joker’s death was. Numerous plot holes and manufactured contrivances. Arkham city is the most overhyped and undeserving Batman title since the dark knight.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Guys… so at my house, I’m responsible for throwing out the trash, but one day, I was having too much fun playing Batman Arkham Asylum that I forgot to take out the trash. So by the time I was taking it out, it was already night time/morning. Basically, it was pitch black outside, with just the faintest light of the moon and the street lamp at the far end of the street. But I had no choice, I either throw the trash now, or I would have to get up extra early and throw it before the garbage truck came. So I went out, and under that street lamp, there was a big dog, like a Great Dane or something. And ngl, big dogs scare me, especially when they don’t have an owner in sight, so I half lifted the garbage can’s lid to leave enough space for me to quickly throw the trash, then the lid would close on its own due to gravity. Of course, letting gravity close the lid meant that it was gonna make a heavy loud SLAM sound, which is already nerve racking on its own in the dead of night, but to make matters worse, this slam seemed to scare off that dog I mentioned earlier. But the freaky part was that when it ran away, it didn’t do it like any normal dog. Instead, it stood on its hind legs and ran … like a man… Do any of you guys have any idea what the hell I saw?

[@SoyboyPeter]

@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do You want me to elaborate?

[@tyleroutland435]

Arkham knight is my least favorite Arkham game I hate this game

[@itsbignerdtime6189]

It does look good though

[@MistahJay7]

Touch grass

[@tylercanales5794]

I’m not going to lie to be honest I’ve never actually seen the point of Robin in general it’s like I’m watching the show Titans right now and it’s like yeah that revolves around Robin and then him becoming Knightwing but I’ve never seen the point of Robin like what like I don’t understand why he was introduced I love the movie Batman and robin from my friends 1999 but in everything else I’ve never seen the point

[@Broadkill54]

This was probably the worst follow up to an amazing game in history. Well, either this or TLOU2

[@SoyboyPeter]

You haven’t played very many sequels have you? Arkham knight is superior to Arkham in every category (including story). Arkham city is easily the worst story in the Arkham series.

[@Broadkill54]

@@SoyboyPeter you couldn’t be more wrong.

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@Broadkill54 please prove it

[@Broadkill54]

@@SoyboyPeter you found yourself to this video. This should be proof enough.

[@SoyboyPeter]

@@Broadkill54 most of this video isn’t valid criticism at all

[@jaxxpool9630]

There are some corrections I need to make here. First is that the infected patients aren't literally becoming the Joker. They are suffering from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, which is a disease that severely harms the brain. Because of Joker's unique blood, this form of CJD is mutated beyond any normal medical records, which causes the infected to act similar to the Joker. They each have a different trait of Joker's character. Christina has Joker's obsession with Batman, Johnny has Joker's sense of showmanship, Albert has Joker's persistent fighting habit against Batman and Henry represents the cunning and intelligent side of Joker. None of them are complete copies of Joker. Also, you criticize that nobody notices Batman's strange behavior.....He doesn't really react to Joker at all unless it's in a cutscene, which even then he doesn't say a word. Plus, why are you questioning if Scarecrow knows that Batman hallucinated Barbara dying? He purposefully lured Batman to the penthouse to traumatize him, of course he'll know. I don't get what you're saying here.

[@GameDenColor]

It's just really strange that these people are suffering from a disease and are behaving nearly identical to the joker, suggesting that the Joker's personality and desires are moreso a side effect of an illness than his personality. It makes the Joker feel cheap to me and I don't like it. The big example of Batman's strange behavior I point to in this video is Scarecrow just catching Batman entirely off guard after he attacks a hallucination. Its things like that which don't add up. The Barbara hallucination I'm referring to was obviously part of Scarecrow's plan, but I'm saying how does Scarecrow know exactly what Batman saw? It's not like his toxin has ever been shown to produce exact hallucations that scarecrow directs. Its a fear toxin, not a Barbara fake-out death toxin. Also the fact that Batman didn't try and recover her body was another big plus for Scarecrow, that would've really unraveled that entire plan.

[@jaxxpool9630]

@@GameDenColor (My comment keeps getting deleted I don't know why. I'm so sorry if I'm spamming, hopefully this is the last time I have to type this.) I have to point out that Joker's origins is that he fell into a bath of chemicals. That's how he became Joker, it happened many times in Batman mythos. It happened in Batman 89, Under the Red Hood and The Killing Joke. So what's the problem? Batman could've been under fear toxin when Scarecrow caught him off guard. It's how he's seeing Joker since Ace Chemicals. Plus, Scarecrow says something's different about Batman, which would mean he does notice something. It is actually explained why you can't recover Barbara's body. If you try to get inside the gas chamber, the game tells you there's still fear toxin inside. Batman says "I can't risk being exposed to the toxin" if you try to open the door. (Hopefully, this won't get removed now.)

[@GameDenColor]

I mean blood is different than the vat of chemicals but if you want to ignore that here we go. I guess it depends on your interpretation of the Joker. If you think anyone who fell into those chemicals would have the exact same personality as the Joker, I guess your point makes sense. I have never believed that and I think if that is the case it ruins the character. The entire point of the Killing Joke's origin is on how one bad day can break anyone, the fall into the chemicals was the last straw that broke his mind. It's not like the exact same situation would just happen to anyone and have the same exact result. The Joker was born from that man's experiences and outlook mixed with tragedy. Batman was certainly under fear toxin, that's the entire point of the scene. My point is, how does Scarecrow know what Batman hallucinated? Also, I get the game says the room is filled with toxin, but that's Barbara Gordon's body. He'd get a gas mask and recover her corpse, it's just for the "twist" that he doesn't and leaves the body completely unattended in a rioting city for hours.

[@jasonchotard9750]

So much dialogue, if it isn't Wally Wing-nut every thirty seconds, it's Mark Ham-it -up, and his two note overacting. They might have done Robin dirty, but I can't stand Barbara with her condescending tone, and patronizing attitude. The handling on the Batmobile, are the tires made of water? did they build it out of super-light material, is that why it won't stay on the ground? why are APC's twice as fast as me? Finally "stink lines" on hard, I don't need a crutch, because I'm Batman.

[@DrewShiiesty]

L video tbh