M4 iPad Pro Review - 6 Months Later

[@ShellymanStudios]

Future iPads with M5, M6, and M7, no matter how powerful these processors are, iPad OS will always hinder the full potential. That's where I think Apple is stuck because I don't think they want a fully functional OS for the iPad because it will hurt their Macbook sales.

[@6MonthsLater]

True, they def want to keep the iPad an iPad. But you could probably still make it its own thing AND open up the app distribution model. - Josh

[@greggarrison-cb8po]

It depends on what you are using it for. As a school teacher, the iPad Pro m4 has every app that teachers need. I tried MacBook Air. Took it back and stuck with my iPad. Touch screen, pencil pro Magic Keyboard does everything I need.

[@LMProductions99]

Not just hurt their MacBook sales, but also their app store sales. As mentioned in this video, apps are locked to the app store. You can't download apps through a web browser. So all the money Apple makes through app store payments would greatly diminish if they allow MacOS on any of their iPads. It's all about money.

[@Johnov]

Overall, it’s a good review, but I think the conclusion was a bit biased by comparing it to a MacBook Air. In my opinion, the iPad Pro generally excels in its intended purpose: it’s a hybrid device that’s between iPhone and MacBook and excels in tasks that are not practical or technically feasible on those other devices. Considering its premium features over the iPad Air and MacBook Air, I believe it’s also more accurate to consider it as a “computer alternative” to the MacBook Pro. Just like the MBPro, the majority of iPad Pro customers don’t require the extra power and features it offers over the base and Air models, but it’s still a nice-to-have.

[@yippiecalle421]

iPad doesn’t need MacOS iPad needs developers to make more iPad Pro worthy apps

[@Abdulla77]

The conclusion was brutal .. for me I chose the iPad over the MacBook simply because I can connect wherever I go using a cellular connection. Close second is the security as it supports MDM (mobile device management) and is enrolled in our work corporate system, and I could access all my emails and conduct Teams calls. Unlike the MacBook. For gaming, I got my Switch, and for reading, I got the Kindle. I know it's a lot to carry but it works for me.

[@ganderthepanda8146]

I usually connect to cellular on my phone from macbook. I always have my phone anyways.

[@cstvglobal7341]

The iPad m4 isn’t a computer, yet tech KZbinrs compare it to the MacBook. It has a distinct use case. I own a MacBook m3 pro and an iPad m4 pro. I’m typing on my iPad, which I mainly use for media due to its great display. I take notes and use my iPad as an extended display for my MacBook. Everyone has their own use case and you shouldn’t allow people to make decisions for you on what to buy. This guy only made this video to advertise that paper tablet thing playing like he was not sponsored.

[@kkshinichi]

Same for me for MDM - since I already have company-issued Windows laptop, and I don’t have that strong business justification for them getting me a MacBook, I can use my iPad as my another MDM device (aside from iPhone) that I can take to meetings faster, and other portable reasons (as long as I won’t need some Windows-exclusive apps like Power BI Desktop, SAP GUI, etc.)

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

The big frustration for me with the iPad is none of the browsers on the app store have extension support. That's a killer for me. Ublock in particular but there's got to be a half dozen extensions that I really hate to live without. But in particular ublock and sponsor block. Unhook.

[@LakshyaZoro]

just buy a samsung s9 or s10 its a tablet and computer via dex best in the market

[@bigmig4574]

A balanced and fair review. It is incredibly overpriced and if had budget for only 1 device would go the Air every time. However as have budget for both I love the upgrades on this model and find myself reaching for and using it significantly more than previous model.

[@jmunayer]

I bought a MacBook Pro last year but returned it after a week or so. I have been a iPad Pro user since 2017 when I sold my Mac I had back then. The iPad has apps I love that are not on the Mac. Also, the touch screen is preferred for music production which is something I use it for. Great review video!

[@EvieMatavelli]

I don’t even use my MacBook Pro 💻 since I got my m4 chip iPad Pro…literally best product ever.

[@armandocortez2291]

Agreed, It was so good, I traded in my iPad Pro M1 11 in, and got rid of my MacBook Pro M1 for a fully spect iPad Pro M4 13 in.

[@Langkinhsaigon-SaigonHoloscope]

Reasonable comparison with logical points. I personally used to trade in my M3 MacBook Pro for an M4 iPad Pro 13-inch model, along with a Mac mini M2 with 16GB of RAM. The reason behind this decision was my belief in the versatility of the iPad Pro, particularly its usefulness with Lumafusion, an app I used for my vlog production. However, I recently sold my Mac mini for an M2 MacBook Air 16GB RAM model and now use both devices simultaneously. When I’m outside, I use the iPad Pro as my primary screen, while at home, I use the MacBook Air as my main desktop with a Samsung display. This setup allows me to have a dedicated device for each task, but it does require me to spend more money to have two devices at once. Despite this, I believe the benefits of each device outweigh the cost, and they each serve a specific purpose. However, if I had to choose only one device, I would still opt for the iPad Pro.

[@michaelhooper4179]

Josh, I totally agree with your assessment on if people need an iPad Pro or not. The feature limitations that apple puts into these devices is beyond annoying, especially considering how much capability the underlying architecture has. If they enabled multi-user logon, not only would Apple’s iPad Pro sales go down, but also their iPad and iPad Air sales which is a big reason why I think they don’t enable this.

[@kingpuppet5881]

I love my m4 iPad. As an avid photographer I find the display an absolute pleasure to edit on. Really liked your breakdown. Definitely a bit too pricey.

[@6MonthsLater]

Makes sense for photography though! That display is so nice. Def feel that. - Josh

[@operabrotha5208]

Why do KZbinrs insist on comparing iPad Pro to MacBook Air, when the 14 inch MacBook Pro is the more appropriate comparison? Both “Pros” have advanced displays (mini LED and OLED) along with 120 hz Pro Motion and surround sound stereo speakers. The MacBook Air has NONE of these! Also, stop assuming that most buyers are deciding between these two devices. Many of us have both some flavor of MacBook AND some flavor of iPad! Would love to see some independent and original thinking among content creators, for a change.

[@6MonthsLater]

Fair point, we should have included a comparison with the MacBook Pro. The reason why I included the Air was more to address the questions I often see from those who are looking for a device they can type on, surf the web, check social media, watch content, and get work done on. A lot of time, people ask whether that device is an iPad or MacBook (sure some people may have both flavors, but a lot of people have limited budgets for their tech purchases and only budget for one device for these types of workloads). The MacBook Air for a lot of people is the right form factor, has comparable weight to the iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, plus its much cheaper. However, you’re totally right about the upgrades you get with the MacBook Pro, the better screen, Pro Motion Display, etc. That would be interesting to compare against the iPad. - Josh

[@Alcysx]

Another BIG problem with the iPad "Pro" is the inability to stream 2 audio sources at the same time. It can lead to a game of "whack-a-mole" tracking down the audio sources that are stopping your main audio from playing. It can be annoying. And it is an APPLE limitation, because sometimes iPadOS bugs out and DOES allow 2 audio sources to stream at once. It's an Apple-joke of an OS.

[@peraman2022]

More than one audio source seems to play at once when you’re working with a full screen app and a fully compliant app.

[@TheAnthonyLJ]

YES! This is one of my gripes with iPad. I don’t see this mentioned that often!

[@CS-pg4go]

yup, i would have music playing and god forbid i go on amazon. the ads immediately stop my music. i'm glad i bought my ipad pro second hand for half the price because what do you mean an all powerful thousand dollar slab cannot play more than one audio source??

[@Viewer-zs6xj]

So happy that this video finally came out! Been waiting for 6 months and it did not disappoint!

[@nitrobear]

Thank you for being so critical of iPadOS and iOS in general. I can't stress enough how much I hate that my M4 iPad Pro, something that's supposedly more powerful than my M3 air, feels like a toy in comparison. And I hate myself even more because I bought it anyway because it's the best device that you can buy for the right niche that I'm on - rhythm games at 120hz. The displays on the previous iPad Pros had horrendous pixel response times, but this one feels like many light years better.

[@andyH_England]

It seems that the new OLED iPads have not significantly changed the demand for tablets. We are in a saturated market, and OLED technology does not appear to be a game-changer that could spark a major sales uptick. This situation has unintended consequences, leading Apple to reconsider its OLED strategy. I've heard that they have already postponed the release of OLED MacBooks by a year, as they anticipate a similar lukewarm response to demand. The lacklustre reviews of these iPads have not helped the situation. One issue with reviews today is their inherently negative tone; they tend to judge products primarily on whether they are a worthy upgrade. This perspective overlooks the fact that tablets typically have a long upgrade cycle of about five years, making comparisons with last year's models unreasonable and unhelpful. Additionally, comparing iPads with MacBooks can be misleading, as each device serves different purposes. For instance, if I want to write or draw and come across reviews recommending a Mac over an iPad, I question the reviewer’s perspective. I believe these devices are complementary; one should choose the better iPad or MacBook based on individual needs, or buy the best of both if budget allows. In conclusion, my assessment is centred on understanding the needs of tablet users, comparing iPads to Android alternatives, and determining which iPad is suitable for you while considering budget constraints. iPad Pros cater to a niche market, with sales of only 7.5 million units a year, so they are not aimed at everyone; in fact, they serve a very small audience. Therefore, the negativity from individuals who do not grasp these points seems more like posturing than constructive feedback.

[@cardibbcardiii351]

Im also on a budget. Trying to save money to move into a new place but i just had to get this. Im REALLY big on displays .. and this with my hulu tv live account is just magical.

[@M16-bf4ku]

The Ipad is the only product where I recommend the cheapest 10th gen Ipad for 90% of people because even if you buy the most expensive one, there's isn't anything that you can do fundamentally different on the expensive one as the cheaper one can do most of the tasks.

[@TailySplash]

I'm still getting an 11inch iPad pro.

[@manart6506]

3:21 … I almost exclusively use my iPads in portrait orientation… but I never do video calls so the ones that use it horizontal as if it were a MacBook can have this feature, I don’t mind it that much.

[@thatpitter]

The Magic Keyboard needs to stop being added to every review. Y’all we have to talk about the tablet as itself too pls 😭

[@fernandolopez4895]

Love my Ipad pro. The display is so worth it to me. I don’t see limitations with Ipad OS cause I am not a professional in anything and find the need for more features 😅

[@TimMoran1973]

I’m left-handed and it still have an issue with the Apple Pencil. When I squeeze the pencil for more options, the elliptical with three circles in it when I try to click it disappear. I sent the information to the Apple development since iOS 17 still the same problems if I was right handed for flawless only complaint I really have.

[@nauscakes1868]

Glad I ran into this, I can look it up more! I'm left handed and currently use the 2020 iPad with the Pencil of that time. Forgot the name. I didn't even consider that the new pencil might have issues with lefthanded people. That's not good!

[@sechan436]

IPAD OS is like putting a child in charge of a spaceship

[@peat381low8]

I will always have an iPad Pro. Drawing and designing and journals have been amazing and something you can’t do on a kindle device. And I love the Dolby Atmos support for movies, shows and music for my headphones. 5G UC is amazing to play minecraft or pubg with friends on the go. It’s perfect.

[@wotezzomid9893]

i want to buy a Ipad pro m4, but should i wait for the next version or should i buy this version right now?

[@wotezzomid9893]

and do you think the difference between this model and the following new model will be big?

[@cardibbcardiii351]

No it wont

[@arphenti2502]

I would wait only for if it going to get more like desktop. Otherwise I would buy m2 or m1 ipad pro if you want 120hz(they would be absolutely the same on ipados)

[@stevee1989]

Need a computer? get a mac Need a tablet? Get an Air Need a tablet with the 120hz and some pro features? get an m2 pro iPad The market for the M4 iPad is sooo small tbh

[@johnmccormick2883]

Nice review… value your honest opinions 👍🏻 Cheers🍺🍺

[@LivingInLethbridge]

I am just waiting for an OLED MacBook Pro. My M1 is starting to show its age. If the next models have it it will be an instant buy for me. On an iPad with its limitations there is no way I can justify the price.

[@Siverly]

Or you can do what I did... bought the M1 iPad Pro 12.9 with 1TB and old Magic Keyboard and Gen 2 pencil for under $700 slightly used. I have all the functionality at about 30% of the price of the M4 version with the same configuration. A little heavier, but not much difference in the screen. I can't fathom why anyone would pay that price for this M4 version, actually.

[@Johnedwardpeterson]

I have an old 12” MacBook 2017 that works fine when I occasionally need a computer for websites that won’t work on iPad. Got the new iPad mini because I’ve always wanted that size. Have an old 2018 12.9” iPad Pro for watching content when my 75” tv is too much, but my iPhone 14 Pro Max isn’t enough. The 11” oled iPad Pro might be the next thing calling my name for the screen upgrade over my old pro.

[@marquisewrld]

Me if the reasons Apple won’t add Mac OS to IPad capabilities is because of the battery. Not only does the IPad not have a cooling fan to keep it from overheating with how much they pack into the iPad and how much rearranging they had to do just to have the same 9-10 hour battery. If they added all the stuff a Mac was able to do the iPad would probably only last 4-5 hours of use before needing a charge.

[@BekTatlun]

This kinda is where I'd suggest looking into sites like Taobao, I know Amazon or aliexpress are some of the options but the products that they do have can't compare. ATM what I am using is this full glass protector with no notch cut out and a removable paper like layer that I shove into the back to solve the screen clarity and drawing problem

[@CarnivoreJay]

The iPad Pro m4 is $200 OFF right now at Best Buy! Buying mine now for 1,099 🎉❤❤❤❤❤

[@Burritosarebetterthantacos]

Its a great ipad. I wouldnt trade it at all. I paid $1000 for the m4 pro during black friday. I edit video and photos so a couple hundred extra was no big deal. I own a macbook pro so its not a replacement… power users need both. The real crime is $1299 for an iphone.

[@sleepycube]

I bought the M2 iPad Pro for the screen, Ive heard that OLED screens get burn in for static images more often than mini-leds, and as an artist this is kinda a big thing for me. People say the blooming on the M2’s screen is bad but its not even there if your not actively looking for it and not putting it in unrealistic scenarios. Plus im just gonna wait till what people say in 2-3 more years and see if they get any burn in, for now, I’m gonna keep enjoying my M2! 😁

[@sleepnaught]

I’ve owned OLED devices for 10 years, never had burn in. You played yourself by getting an inferior device

[@travisharlan6100]

OLED"S are probably one of the few devices out there that don't get burn in screens. Unless you leave the screen paused for like a week then maybe.... and in the 0.000001% chance you do get a burn in screen then AppleCare will replace your device.

[@raygold1]

I use an iPad Pro 13, MacBook Pro, and a new iPad Mini 7. Fortunately I can cover all my bases which makes me a happy camper. Also I have been buying Apple Stock for decades.😆

[@williambergmann641]

Some solid points, but I think it misses the mark to a degree. One, Apple has a range of iPads that cover price points from $350 to like $800 before you get to the iPad Pro. Two, "iPad" comes before "Pro". It's an iPad, but with all the features turned up to 11. It's not a suddenly new Mac+iPad category, and it doesn't seem to be designed as such. Three, it is a test bed for the best ideas and tech that end up getting pushed down the line to other iPads- Pencil Support, Keyboard cases, body style, M-Series chips, the screen tech, etc. When my iPad Pro launched, using the pencil was still exclusive to the Pro devices. It feels off to complain about what the Pro not adding enough to the base model or Air considering that those models wouldn't have these features if not for the Pro. Four, and I suspect this is many people, when I bought my Pro, it wasn't because I planned n replacing my Mac- I bought it because I deserve to have a few nice things, and it was the bleeding edge of what a tablet could be. Buy it for the screen, or the new keyboard case, or for it absolutely flying through everything for likely a decade. If it's not worth it to you, that's more than fine- it's why they have a whole lineup. Five, and this is my biggest gripe with this video... When it comes to the Scribe or Remarkable... You are extraordinarily limited in the apps you use. So, if you use Apple Notes, uh, no you don't. I can access my handwritten notes on all of my devices, and I can search them directly from Spotlight Search. There's also no way to scan a document on those devices to import to Notes for markup. Last thing I'll say: If you're using any computer or tablet as a productivity device either making money or running your household, amortize it over the time you'll be using it or the number of jobs you're gonna speed up with it. If you absolutely load up and drop $2K on an iPad Pro and you charge [absolutely bare bottom] $75 an hour... If you save two hours a week, it's completely paid off in like 3 months.

[@6MonthsLater]

Appreciate your feedback and insights around why you bought a Pro. And good points about the Remarkable/Scribe, I should have mentioned those limitations with them (which is really the tradeoff with those devices. the distraction free environments basically = no additional apps/notifications etc etc). - Josh

[@Vince62965]

to be more specific the pro uses an M4 chip vs the m2 chip in the ipad air therefore using more power however I dont see why a power plan cant be created for this is, 'say you know your not going to use the full capabilities of the m4 chip just limit/controll what is used through power plan and in return gain more battery life equivalent to the m2 chip in the ipad air

[@brucelin5842]

If I just want use oled to watch movies and web browsing shall I upgrade from my a12z iPad Pro which the Face ID is already broken….?

[@DevinsWorld-y4v]

I love OLES! it’s very good at displaying deep dark black and great colors

[@weston407]

I'm completely fine with my Pro M3, I just wish the camera was in a better spot

[@epicmattster4874]

The 13 inch Air or IPad Pro 13inch?

[@walterdbrown]

iPads need their own version of Dex. The reason Samsung tablets are so much easier to recommend no matter the need is because their software is more able to satisfy customers needs along with incredible hardware. iPadOS is not made for a Magic Keyboard.

[@ganderthepanda8146]

imo, ipad only really makes sense if you’re a student taking notes/ as a textbook(ebook) reference, or multi monitors on the go. I’ll likely be selling mine once uni is over lol

[@robertbryanlitao347]

I still have the iPad Pro 2020 and still serves it purpose for watching youtube videos. My 2 y/o kid uses it as his screen time. I used the iPad M4 of my cousin and I do not see the difference with 4 y/o iPad Pro. If Apple miraculously make the iPad Os to Mac OS then I def say I will upgrade from my M3 macbook Air😂

[@manart6506]

6:19 But the Magic Keyboard is not a good idea IMO, too expensive and I prefer to use iPad as a tablet.

[@epicmattster4874]

I’ve bent this M1 12.9 inch over a trip to LA so I’m concerned of the new one being very thin

[@craiggibbs6862]

I’m getting that 13 inch iPad Pro

[@newfnshow031]

btw everything u listed can be done either on your phone or MacBook just saying

[@newfnshow031]

imo both of these things are insanely expensive MacBook air and applecare is like $1500 and no oled display. Meanwhile you can get an Asus with OLED for $650.

[@GameOfGuns23]

Ppl a note pad and a notebook are totally different. I’m tired of ppl comparing the iPad to the Mac book.

[@newfnshow031]

and yet MacBook Air still doesn't have OLED oled makes a huge difference LCD displays look terrible I can't buy any LCD products

[@Jianfa88Tsai]

Restrictions enhance security albeit not definitive.

[@brucelin5842]

What about mini7?

[@asan1050]

Thanks Josh!

[@OptimusMonk01]

Modern iPad battery life sucks. My iPad Mini 6 has about 20% of the standby life of my iPad Mini 2

[@ChrisPTY507]

Give it a couple of years and Burn In will set it. 6 months of use is still too early for it.

[@6MonthsLater]

It’s possible, but much more unlikely since they used a tandem OLED screen. www.ossila.com/pages/tandem-oled#:~:text=They%20can%20produce%20more%20light,have%20multiple%20light%2Demitting%20layers.&text=OLED%20screens%20can%20sometimes%20suffer,keeping%20their%20high%2Dquality%20picture.

[@DanielPacheco-o4q]

Oled screens are more advanced and less prone to burn in

[@m.hreels9822]

A lot of people ended up returning them sadly 😢

[@d.s.6221]

Yeah, the WORST loss of money I’ve ever had. Nice to look at but.. Same thing with the iPhone. The software has some perks but still feels so disjointed and cumbersome and purposely held back considering the respective internals. All so Apple can keep straight lines on its product categories. Frankly, I couldn’t care less if Apple discontinued its MacBooks to fully flesh out its iPad pros. With a hybrid of macOS and iOS (which iPadOS really is), of course. You can keep iPadOS for regular iPads, but just make the pro versions pro (with the hybrid software). And offer the same sizes for both reg and pro versions, with the exception of maybe offering a 16” version for the pro. This will simplify Apple’s product offerings ensuring they’re not canibalizing sales. And just keep the desktop offerings the same. Maybe it’s just me.

[@Toungxins]

算上学生优惠，我买的这台纳米玻璃的1T版本的加上这一代版本的所有配件，已经23000人民币了

[@Gintama6969]

You can't play PUBG mobile on mac book😂

[@Michael-y9d6m]

The PROBLEM with this review right out of the gate IS - you skipped all the reasons to buy an ipad and went directly to using it as a portable laptop when it is not. You talked about the display then right into the keyboard which is nothing more than an accessory. After that you looked at features (briefly talking about pencil pro). ipad is NOT a mac - yet nearly everyone reviewing it seems to want to force it to be one and then review it as if it were. IT IS NOT a MAC! it IS an IPAD! it will never be a mac no matter how much you want it to be. What reviewers COULD do is look at what an ipad DOES and review it that way! I for one am an engineer, artist, and writer. I do a massive amount of note taking (and categorizing), drawing, sketching ideas (brainstorming), marking up documents in ADDITION to the MANY other things this tool can do - USING AN IPAD. I wouldn't review a phone and say, "but my pc can do that - ding!" This was a mac review where it kept pointing to how much better the mac whatever would be for less. And there again - the mac is NOT an ipad. Anyone watching this to see if the ipad can be a mac replacement might like it......but then change the title to "Can the ipad m4 be used as a mac replacement?" This was NOT an ipad review.

[@jk-fy8on]

This device only for rich people. It's a less practical luxury item.

[@greggarrison-cb8po]

You are forgetting one very important detail. Viruses I refuse to add any program on any device I have that may compromise my security

[@seppeseppe-jq7nr]

batterie holding so long ! dude its more then 10 hours 😂😂😂 your device ok?

[@haydar_kir]

I never use its ai future

[@rjScubaSki]

Why the hell do people not just use an iPad as an iPad rather than a crap laptop

[@fasn279]

Literally my iPad is just used for content consumption and reading

[@rabichowdhury212]

@@fasn279Same with my ipad mini 7

[@Jianfa88Tsai]

Business opportunity to use deepfake AI tech to auto live adjust the real human recorded face of the news reporter or social media content creator face and eyes to “look squarely” at the iPhone camera even though the human is reading the script displayed as a teleprompter on the iPad. This will accelerate and max the volume of quality content created pay day globally over Earth’s lifespan to max out bosses profits (intellectual properties) so everyone can max charity donations.

[@mrsmith7751]

People apple will always hold the ipad pro back. Or it will cannibalize the mac line.

[@MmmBopsPops]

FINALLY, someone realizes that the emperor has no clothes. Every few months I *try* to make an iPad work for me, but there is *nothing* better than a MacBook ___ about it. If Macbooks worked with Apple Pencil, I would be *set*! Why is it that you and I are the *only* two people in the universe that realize the obvious drawbacks of iPad?!

[@longluu1141]

People complaining the overprice without knowing what audience this ipad is targeting. Heavy game players.

[@tamalchakraborty5346]

Well, I do wonder why would anyone buy a tablet and won't use it like one? iPad is not a professional device. iPadOS is not designed for professional use. As much as amazing that magic keyboard is, iPadOS is best when touched.

[@cstvglobal7341]

The iPad m4 isn’t a computer, yet tech KZbinrs compare it to the MacBook. It has a distinct use case. I own a MacBook m3 pro and an iPad m4 pro. I’m typing on my iPad, which I mainly use for media due to its great display. I take notes and use my iPad as an extended display for my MacBook. Everyone has their own use case and you shouldn’t allow people to make decisions for you on what to buy. This guy only made this video to advertise that paper tablet thing playing like he was not sponsored.

[@bbrenddon]

Go to Church

[@Naumkovich]

ясно, проплачен апл( помянем((

[@djfreaknique1587]

I’d pay MacBook Pro prices for a MacBook Air with touch capability or vice versa pay even more for a MacBook Pro touch!!!!