🛑 9800X3D vs 7800X3D vs 9700X: Max OC Benchmark Review 😱👑

[@gamedaytoday1]

Leave your BIOS settings on Default on your own risk

[@QuaK3RRR]

6000 mhz ram and fully tuned ??? i would expect 8000 or even 8400 mhz

[@Ivexxy]

@@QuaK3RRR am5 limitations, on intel sure

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@Ivexxy u can run 8800mhz ram on amd these days..

[@just_OsaMa23]

​@@QuaK3RRRoh man we are not dreaming

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@just_OsaMa23 what do you mean??? there are 9800x3ds with ddr5 8800mhz already

[@vulcan4d]

You are a memory tuning master. Would love to see a video of how you tune your memory.

[@VenJkE]

I think you just haven't seen a really good mem tune ;) In general, the author has made good content, this cannot be denied.

[@ibeebzz9804]

😂

[@RmX.]

@@VenJkE But it is really good tune, find a better latency than this on 9800x3D. 65.4ns is really impressive 7800x3D You can tune even better, I had on mine 58.5ns

[@VenJkE]

@ 9800x3d has a same io 7800x3d. My stable 24/7 tune results on 7800x3d - 57ns(8000cl36if2000 Vdd/q 1.44/1.37v). And the record 55.6ns on 8000cl34if2000. My opinion - 65ns tune on 9800x3d it’s a garbage. I’m sorry.

[@ibeebzz9804]

@ the new agesa breaks the latency test on Aida. It runs 8ns slow.

[@cosmo4183]

The more complex the scene, the more instructions and data need to be stored in the processor cache, and at some point there are so many of them that constant cache-misses occurs even on x3D. And from this point on, the presence of a 3D cache simply does not matter, but the speed of the memory and it's latencies do. That's when 9700x come close to 9800x3D or even a tiny bit faster on 1%/0.1% lows. And that's when Intel i9 24 core 300W monster with fast 'n tuned memory will outpace any x3D chip for good, delivering highly smooth gameplay. ... Most likely this is due to the unoptimized game code, but this is still an alpha, and patches are released quite often. Therefore, when it comes to a more or less open beta or 1.0 (with some optimiztions) x3D processors will be the fastest, as in most games right now. I'm at crossroads right now, as many others on upgrading/building new PC. So it would be nice to see a benchmark againts the i9 14th/13th and the new Arrow Laker chips and prove some of this theory :D

[@BradAhrens]

Really informative. Thanks for sharing your research!

[@Sectorz]

Now tune for 2:1 8000MHZ CL34

[@FatheredPuma81]

I mean... yea if he has the the money to drop on 3 separate chips to make a video then he should have the money to drop on a $500+ mobo. That's under the assumption he's abusing Amazon's return until he gets a golden sample.

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@FatheredPuma81 golden sample ? what are u talking about, this is not an intel, every ryzen 7000/9000 can run at least 8000 mhz, ryzen 9000 should even run 8400 mhz

[@FatheredPuma81]

​@@QuaK3RRR Well if he didn't he'd have even more money to burn on a $500 motherboard after buying multiple CPU's that can do 1:1 @ 6400MHz...

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@FatheredPuma81 buy a cheap b650 board and ure fine...

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@FatheredPuma81 why do u want buy multiple cpus ? this is not intel... every ryzen 7000/9000 can run 8000 mhz

[@gaav87]

Same spot as you but with 9700x + 6800xt 8000mt/s cl36 (~58ns latency) 1.52V 2200fclk (all auto settings) +200pbo (currently top2 firestrike and top1 firestrike extreme in 3dmark for 9700x) 75.4avg / 45.1(1%-low) / 35.4(0.1%-low) - im gpu limited thats why lower avg. Also my capframe x is way smoother with only 2 spikes from 15ms(basE) to 30ms no huge spikes like you have from 20ms to 80ms. You should try 8000 my friend tmr. im trying 8400/2100/2100 and 8400/2200/2100 and 8000/2266/2000

[@jackpowell9276]

Have you had success getting ryzen to push memory so high?

[@gaav87]

@@jackpowell9276 Yes my 9700x does 8400mt/s my 9800x3d maxes out at 8200mt/s on same board :(

[@nikhilnischay3955]

Does the motherboard matter when you’re trying to tune your ram and cpu? I am contemplating between buying a 6000mhz cl28 ram vs 8000mhz cl38. Do you recommend the motherboard you’re using?

[@turbo111777]

@@nikhilnischay3955 motherboard definitely matters if youre going to oc, just adds stability and longevity, better wiring and pcbs etc etc

[@Rumline7]

Excellent video. The analysis is clear and helpful. Thanks!

[@Sylar0n]

Im actually awaiting you do 265k/285k test with proper CUDIMM RAM and efficiency core OC. I ended up buying the 9800x3D because i just couldnt wait longer for CUDIMM RAM to hit the market.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Just tune the 9800x3d and you will be happy

[@12Music72]

Why would you want a subpar product?

[@Sylar0n]

@@12Music72 Sub par? AMD released the 9000 series in a terrible state and they needed 2 months to fix it with microcode updates. Intel is not different. The 9800x3D is a fantastic chip if we can believe the tests (which i honestly dont, who the FK plays in 1080p on a 600 EUR CPU?), itll perform well. However, as this review suggests, if the data doesnt fit into that 3D cache, the game can become choppy as hell. This correlates with another reviewer who was testing this specifically and a previous gen Intel was less choppy. Intel works with much faster RAM and also has much faster CPU cache. When they update the microcode for the Arrow Lake CPUs, i dont have a reason to believe that they wont be competitive. And even if they dont match the 9800x3D in FPS but the gameplay is less choppy, ill gladly take the lower FPS but smoother performance.

[@Sylar0n]

@@gamedaytoday1 I am building rigs for friends and family, i want to be fully informed before i suggest a pick. Most of the reviews are completely bogus because they dont take into account the RAM speed and type. Nearly every Arrow Lake test ive seen were using sub par memory, and when Jayz did his ARL test with 8400 CUDIMM RAM, the performance spiked 30% upwards and the 285k was absolutely on par with the 7800x3D in gaming and murdered nearly everything on the market in production workloads. And that means the 265k is similar, and that was before Intel released any microcode update they promised for this month. Im sure ill be happy with the 9800x3D (it arrives on Tuesday, cant wait, my 9900k is really old at this point lol), but i want an informed opinion for later.

[@bronbron53321]

Cudimm ram? U will pay for $500 for 32GB😂😂😂. Crazy

[@gerardfraser]

Well made video thanks for sharing. @6:45 you show clocks of a CPU in the overlay are they the 9800x3d clocks and which plugin are you using with the overlay to show the CPU clocks.

[@Matt-lf1ik]

This is the channel I needed. Finally someone with a brain who tunes the systems they are using.

[@gamedaytoday1]

As a young boy I coloured within the lines, I was bound for greatness, it was written in the stars.

[@SpiderWaffle]

This is awesome, would love to see more data like this! Can you do these same tests with more games, like Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3, and maybe some older less demanding games like Mech Warrior 5, Valorant ect. Love the 0.1% data! I'd be curious to see data like percentage of frame times over 30ms, or frame rate under 40 fps (or some appropriate thresholds, could be like 50% of aggregate) Because really want we care about is mitigating the lows and reducing lag spikes; the super high highs don't matter AT ALL and thus the average, median would be much better.

[@RmX.]

Amazing video! I was just curious how the 9700x Tuned perform vs 7800x3D, so I'm happy I found exactly what I was looking for, I'm also really shocked at the results. If I didn't buy 7800x3D 4 months ago I'd but 9700x for sure. It's 200 euro less where I'm living. Could you please do more tests with different games? Maybe some RTS?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Will do definitely do more games in the future

[@TOLYA_ARBALET]

@@gamedaytoday1and add pubg please

[@jackpowell9276]

Looking to grab one of these and a 5090 once they get released, very impressive results. Im always impressed by how much difference memory tuning makes for SC. Also that you're running b550 motherboard and still getting great results.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Ah sorry its a B650 AORUS ELITE, just updated teh description. The b550 motherboard was for my 5800X3D!

[@dasharius3021]

1. Higher FCLK is not always better performance. While MCLK:UCLK may be 1:1 and FCLK asynchronous you gain a little latency benefit by going 2:3:3 (FCLK:MCLK:UCLK). So for 6400 an FCLK of 2133 is ideal in most cases. If you go for 6000 or 6200 a FCLK of 2200 can be beneficial. Reason being that the benefit of way higher FCLK compared to the latency penalty of leaving 2:3:3 is usually bigger. Thereforce if you can go 100+ more FCLK you usually should do it. But to go from 2133 to 2200 is only 66 more FCLK and by that losing 2:3:3. It can be better but certainly not always. This especially holds true when you go into Gear 2. Then you can synchronize FCLK with UCLK and leaving that 1:1 synchronization by having more FCLK is a HUGE penatly in latency. 2. What is also missing is a DDR5-8000 comparison. 3. A latency of 65.4 in AIDA seems kinda high. Espcially on 3D chips where AIDA dips into the 3D Cache you should have less than 57ns. MSI released a latency killer feature in their newest BIOS that reduces AIDA by around 10ns. Seems like the latest AGESA increased latency heavily for no reason and that MSI feature just restored what was lost before.

[@gaav87]

1.2.0.2A is bugged increases lat by around 7-8ns. msi feature just fixes what amd has broken. 8000cl36 on 1202a is 66ns on 1202(non-a) is 58ns - not even proper tune just w/e at 1.52V

[@alexunkin]

I've hit 61ns with a days effort with a 48gb mdie kit, that's at 6464 c30 (it's slightly ahead of my tests with 8000c38) . I'm not sure 57ns is going to be that achievable for most people, probably need water cooled memory to sustain the voltage needed for that

[@thelasthallow]

@@gaav87 that explains alot, im on an MSI X670E and the latest bios is 1.2.0.2a and no matter how much i tune i cant get below 65.5ns latency

[@gaav87]

@@thelasthallow Just get back to 1202 like me. Also turn of NX in bios its free 3ns useless security feature form the 2000's

[@SpiderWaffle]

Do you know any good data for 9700x at 6000 vs 6400 and maybe higher with tuning?

[@OCFreeze]

Great and different review tnan the rest! Big thanks! New Sub! I am waiting my 9700x on Monday, ordered it few days ago (before seeing your review). Once I have my hands on and play with it - could get your DDR5 tuning guide! Currently the prices in my country (and Europe at all) made me get the 9700x and ofc wanted to have some performance to achieve by myself with OC/Tunning. 9700x seems to have the worst default settngs/perf (due to TDP, PPT etc.) - so biggest potential to tune it up and have fun (AIO ArcticFreezer 360 + ASR Steel Legend VRMs + A-die Hynix 6000 CL30, should let me have fun as starter lol). - 9700x (674 bgn/ 358$) - 7600x3d (720 bgn/ 383$) (+7% $) - 9900x (958 bgn/ 509$) (+42% $) - 7800x3d (1200 bgn/ 639$) (+78% $) - 9950x (1380 bgn/ 734$) (+105% $) - 9800x3d (1549 bgn/ 825$) (+130% $) PS: I2HARD got some good results also at 7600 CL34 2:1 - seems 9000 series get better than 7000 series with high memory frequences and lower the impact of lacking 3D V-cache (as they reach out more often to memory than X3D and memory is a game changer for them). We will see..Love it already!

[@toberkulosis]

Why do you test at 1080 vs 1440 or 4k?

[@instaSHINOBI]

Everyone also note: he has it set to Vulkan not DX11 in the Settings screen - but in the recording it’s set to DX11 (??)

[@gamedaytoday1]

Note its old B roll of the 13900K

[@eris19xx]

amazing and HONEST review , I am impressed !!! well done

[@FoxReaper]

Finally! Thanks man! Great video once again. Do you have a thought on the next 3d chips coming January? Do you think it could be different than the 7950?? Thanks again!

[@gamedaytoday1]

No idea, there is a lot of mixed leaks. Not sure if both CCDs has v-Cache

[@Keeblerelf803]

Id like to see a video on the mem tuning at 2133. Interesting stuff

[@fungjacky8285]

Currently aiming for r5 7600 rx7800xt combo, is it still suitable for Star Citizen?

[@philipm5043]

Been waiting for this🎉

[@TTorace]

so do you overall recommend the 6000 or 6400 more?

[@just_OsaMa23]

6400 if stable

[@_godsl4yer_]

I really wanna get an x3d chip, but why does nobody talk about that shitty frametime graph? Your point about the top 5% in context of the other numbers is eye opening. Its like the missing piece when it comes to interpreting smoothness. Average and 1% alone just isnt enough. Great video.

[@LandroRide]

I want to make a new am5 configuration to do car simulator in VR. I think the 9700X tune option is more interesting for fps stability after watching your video. Thank you, your work is very interesting.

[@nocontentgameplaychannel3781]

How to OC or tweak my R7 7700 RX 7900XT and Patriot CL34 7600 MHZ ram

[@George.Gadgets]

Hi in which resolutions are these tests made?

[@gamedaytoday1]

1080p

[@George.Gadgets]

Is the difference in 1440P negligible?

[@touchingmage3418]

but the link you share for the ram are not expo, are they equally good for amd ?

[@staIIman]

What about 9900x? Will it be same as 9700x or worse?

[@gaav87]

ALSO very imporant: bios 1.2.0.2A is currently bugged it increases latency by 7-9ns vs 1.2.0.2 (non-A) on every board. No matter how good you are no way of going under 60ns on the A version of the bios.

[@Pabula]

What about the 1.2.0.2B? is it also bugged?

[@Kalyptic]

Hey what Ram do you recommend for the best out of the box experience?

[@ExiIass]

hey can u explain why u use a B650 AORUS ELITE ? a Z790 or x870 isn’t better ?

[@gamedaytoday1]

I have answered this question in my discord.

[@J.king87]

What abbout the 9950x3d ;) will it be better ?

[@papasmurf5598]

Why can’t AMD and Intel have built in AI Memory Tuning Software to Optimize memory kits for the user. This should already be built into the BIOS just like XMP. One click Memory Optimization and you’re done. I know a lot about the Bios but have never tried to tune memory timings because I just don’t get it and am afraid of screwing up an expensive Ram Kit.

[@Monsicek]

Heya, interesting scaling. I noticed those bumped L1/L2 speeds from 7000 to 9000 series and was suspecting that it might behave in very unexpected way making X3D chips to such good value, especially AMD entered greed mode with 9800X3D and 8 core in 2025 for 550 euro is just ripoff. Any chance you could do exactly the same deep dive into Escape from Tarkov? 7800X3D -> 9700X -> 9800X3D? If you have Intel 13/14th gen and Core Ultra systems at hand throw them as well into mix. Couldnt find anyone benching 9700X vs 9800X3D nor having new Core Ultra. Tarkov has new content patch tomorrow and Intel is releasing fixes soon. It will be interesting matchup. My chips go on 9700X and 265K as will be both best value. I am subbing so I dont miss the video 🙂

[@jckl9884]

should i buy 2x16 6000cl30 or 6800 cl34 ?

[@tom_dom]

6000cl30 is almost guaranteed Hynix A-die which can then be manually tuned/timed so I'd say go with that for sure

[@ionutortian5885]

6000 or 7200+

[@gaav87]

buy 8200cl38 patriot extreme 5. Like i did and just run 8000cl36 2200fclk out of the box no need to waste time with endless 6400mt/s tuning its way faster at 8000/2200

[@tom_dom]

Running 8000 or above is much more motherboard dependant, lots of motherboards cannot run 8000 stable even if they advertise that they can

[@Aksidia-of-Terra]

Great stuff! some how I knew it will come to this.

[@yifeye]

@gamedaytoday1 coud u make a built for the 9700x with mainboard ram thats best for tuning?

[@yifeye]

aswell as which graphics card that isnt a pocket deleter

[@ConsciousThing]

I have a 12700k with ddr4 now. What would be a better upgrade, keep the 12700k get a new motherboard with ddr5 or swap to amd 9700x?

[@CelestialTrieye]

swap

[@Underground.Rabbit]

keep the 12700k ddr4. Wait for Zen6.

[@johncrawley788]

I just "upgraded" from a 12700k on ddr4 to an x870 board with a 9800x3d and 64gb of ddr5 and have noticed zero upgrade. I bench marked 3 or 4 games at 4k and 1080p and run a few 3d mark tests before I swapped the parts over. The 12700k was equal on all tests or beat the 9800x3d set up on a few tests. Felt like I just wasted $1500 to be honest. Plus the 9800x3d runs a bit hotter as well.

[@Cin3q]

It realy depends on what gpu do you already have, on what monitor you playing, and whats your budget. Dont get be fooled by all these "benchmarks" because if you have shty gpu its almost always better to upgrade it instead cpu/mobo/ram. My old i9 9900ks with 4090 had 2 fps less than 9800x3d in 4k Red dead redemption 2. In warhammer 3 it was arround 20 less. SC still have its wierd fps hickups but now at least they are on higher avarage.

[@martinandersson6695]

@@johncrawley788 Thank you! I've been going back and forth if I should upgrade to 9800x3d from a 14900KS with drr4 32gb. Or if I just should put in 64gb of ddr 4. (I've already sold my first unopened 9800x3d and now im sitting here with an MSI X870 Tomahawk and new G.skill ddr4 64gb ) I think I will keep my 14900KS, put in 64gb ddr4 and return the X870.

[@jewelersofwhale]

Frame chaser did a video about %lows and 3d chips, he basically said the same. Get a 9950x instead of a 3d chip, the % lows will be much better and basically similar level as 14900k

[@just_OsaMa23]

Why getting multi ccd cpu for gaming?

[@jewelersofwhale]

​@@just_OsaMa23 its to have a even performance. If you play fps games you want a fps that does not differ to much between highs and lows

[@h1tzzYT]

@@just_OsaMa23 Multi CCD to the contrary belief doesnt hurt gaming perf. The best way to have a well rounded high end system is to get dual non vcache cpu with 16 cores, tune the ram and disable SMT. It might not outperform vcache cpus in many games but it will have just as good lows and heaps of MT perf to spare for other tasks such as shader compilation.

[@JoshDoubleU]

hi, ive watched quite a few of your videos and im quite amazed by the performance gains to be had, i play star citizen alot and i only have a 10600k, but i recently managed to pick up a 5700x3d for really cheap so im buying a mobo and and wantinng to buy new ram, but unsure which kit to get, i was looking at a 3600mhz cl16 kit from corsair but im honnestly unsure.

[@UltraK420]

The new MSI boards have good memory tuning settings like high efficiency mode and a list of pretuned clocks and timings. I immediately saw a 10-20% improvement after enabling high efficiency mode, but I kept my memory clocked at 7200 mhz cl34. The beta bios works perfectly for the 9800X3D, no issues at all. No more slow am5 boot either, it's totally gone and boots fast. Would I really see an improvement over that dropping it down to 6000 mhz with cl32 or cl30 timings? I'm getting the same performance as you now in SC, but at 3440x1440 resolution.

[@SpyCRS]

What memory are you using and what model of MSI board? Just doing research online as what to buy to accompany my not yet arrived 9800X3D

[@UltraK420]

@@SpyCRS TeamGroup T-Force Delta P RGB DDR5 7200 CL34 on an MSI Mag x670E Tomahawk Wifi board. It works great. Maybe get the x870 since that's out now. No junky software preloaded.

[@SpyCRS]

@@UltraK420 So i presume you are running 32GB (16GBx2 kit) ? For Star citizen i really think i want 64 GB kit. Can you suggest one?

[@UltraK420]

@SpyCRS Yes, 32 GB is sufficient. The reason to stick with that is due to lower latency and higher throughput performance compared to 64 GB kits. This will change when 64 GB becomes standard, maybe next year or 2026.

[@starofeden9277]

thanks..i have my 9800x3d sitting eating dust here in a cuboard along with new gen 5 nvme and 7200 cl34 ram and i gamealso at 3440x1440 so this is good news from you

[@FatheredPuma81]

Btw pretty sure Hydra can bypass the +200Mhz PBO.

[@macunknown]

With all the necessity for memory bandwidth does that make a 14900k with 8000 superior in SC?

[@Syron21]

Just if you know how to fine tune a RAM (secondary, third-timings)

[@runipaulino6268]

Now we wait for like 2 more years🧍‍♀️

[@lvasiescu]

some details in memory tuning? :D

[@gamedaytoday1]

In the discrod

[@SaiyanJin85]

So to get it clearly, we should buy the 9700x tuned over the 9800x3d tuned for star citizen?

[@UnpluggedCord]

I think in short, if you can get your hands on the 9700x and good ram, and have the time/knowledge to fine tune, performance can still be impressive. 9800x3d is probably still good with limited tuning, it's just that the 9700x is impressive.

[@SaiyanJin85]

@ also it costs almost half the price

[@TKanal3]

@@UnpluggedCord what is good ram?

[@raynathanielcaparas8064]

I have the 9700x and wondering if 9800x3d will be an upgrade playing on 4k, mostly playing modern AAA games and world of warcraft.

[@delatroy]

No not on 4k much

[@turbo111777]

Can you do 64gb? I am hitting some high scores on benchmarks and i am trying to find more people testing 64. I can run 6200 uclk=mclk hynix 1.4 6400 timings, -20 5.5 9800x3d pbo

[@johngonzalez9621]

How do you tune memory?

[@ZachAttack2U]

Step 1) Download more ram Step 2) ???????? Step 3) Profit!

[@dropment5408]

If I am not play Star Citizen, does this still apply to games like cod?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Have not tested it in COD, just like Star Citizen I would need to take the average of multiple runs because its online. So to get those results it would be another weekend spent.

[@nightspiderx1916]

Which windows did you use for testing?

[@gamedaytoday1]

Windows 10

[@nightspiderx1916]

@@gamedaytoday1 Because you said that the 13900K is the fastest CPU for Star Citizen (ignoring the 14900K(S)) while Windows11 improved AMDs Zen performance in a lot of games. So i doubt the 13900K or 14900KS is faster than the 9800X3D in Star Citizen when you use Windows 11. ;)

[@gamedaytoday1]

​@@nightspiderx1916 how much did Windows 11 improve the Zen performance?

[@nightspiderx1916]

@@gamedaytoday1 Hardware Unboxed measured 9% more performance on AMD CPUs from Win10 to the new Win11 with the Update in some games. This improves AMDs performance quiet a lot with Zen4 and Zen5 CPUs compared to Intel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vUdo2jn7mZq68

[@gamedaytoday1]

@@nightspiderx1916 Hardware Unboxed results has been proven to be false and misleading already. Such a waste of time

[@danielschmidt1990]

Where can i find your Discord link?

[@gamedaytoday1]

You need to subscriber here: www.game-day.xyz/

[@PaulRudat]

hey nice video! could you also test vulcan i would be interested if shader cashing improves or decreases performance?

[@gamedaytoday1]

It’s Vulcan

[@PaulRudat]

@@gamedaytoday1perfect! keep the videos coming 💪 (i just thought cause it said d3d11 in the first clip)

[@Tactums]

+1 sub for star citizen benchmarks. Cheers.

[@PhantomRider-78]

I dont get why oh why the tests always gets done at 1920x1080, who still run this as their daily settings??? I run at 4k on my 32” Samsung monitor, I really cannot understand why all testers still use this resolution, can you advise on this please?

[@nuzziefutz2454]

Because anything beyond 1080p is more likely to be GPU bound.

[@gamedaytoday1]

When you do a CPU review, you don't want to be bottlenecked by the GPU. 1920x1080 guarantees that the 4090 is not Bottlenecking the CPU results.

[@TonyD_za]

Because at 4K you would see no difference and therefore not be motivated to buy an expensive CPU :P

[@gamedaytoday1]

@@TonyD_za Dips to 30FPS is still noticeable in 4k. Also with the upcoming 5090 you will be CPU bound 100% at the time. So there is motivation to pair with a CPU that does not bottleneck you

[@starofeden9277]

which bios u using? the latest makes a difference im not buying it these results dont make sense i know SC loves fast memort and volumes with more cores but above all..SC is not yet optimized it will only happen after 4.2 onwards by the time the singleplayer actually comes out there will be a 4.5 as the roadmap goes

[@dkphantomdk]

its crazy.. I dont even know if I wanna upgrade from an "old 5950X" (7900XTX) - I tryed going to space and find the most emty void to see how much fps I could get (5120x1440p) and in the mittle of nowhere, I managed to top out at 412 fps. But thats not how the game performs in most areas!.. so Iam most likely just going to wait for a new GPU first..

[@ionutortian5885]

Please give me the DDR 5 6400, 2133, setings Wath voltage you use You keapt original sub timming? Thanks

[@dkindig]

Check out buildzoid's videos (channel is "Actually Hardcore Overclocking"). He has 6400/2133 settings that work right out of the gate, with voltage settings and new subtimings. Make sure you search his vids for the memory type you own.

[@TheWhale030]

but you throughput showed your settings lag of more then just timing. copy and read is below average.

[@ilKamuTube]

Have you already tried on 9700x?: Disable Windows memory integrity Undervolt CPU using a negative all-core curve offset Increase CPU power limits Increase max CPU boost clock Increase Infinity fabric frequency

[@gamedaytoday1]

All of that plus a few tune secrets in my previous vide: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oabGZ4Z3qblro7ssi=NTdfz4zEyzPqJ5OM

[@marcorodriguez7748]

Nice comparison video

[@gamedaytoday1]

Thanks! 👍

[@marcusmartin743]

I have not understood all the negative reviews about the 9700X. I have a 9700x paired with a MSI X870 Tomahawk and Kingston Fury Renegade Beast DDR5 6400mhz CL30 and it outperforms my 7800X3D system equipped with an Asrock B650E Taichi Lite and G skill Neo 5 Expo DDR5 6000mhz CL30. In gaming it trades blows with the 7800X3D and outright outperforms the 7800X3D in all other tasks. With a few tweaks, I believe it is the better CPU. I have not compared it to the 9800X3D.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Jup the 9700X is so under rated, and flys with tuned RAM. I would even say the 9700X is better than the 7800X3D at least it is in Star Citizen by a large margin, and its cheaper too.

[@marcusmartin743]

@@gamedaytoday1 I recently received the 9800X3D and the Asrock X870E Nova, I look forward to comparing it to the 9700X system. Will be using Gskill 6400mhz CL30 Expo memory with it.

[@iretrixi9252]

"everything is maxed out to really hammer the CPUs" wouldn't 1080p low settings hammer the CPUs harder than 1080p Max graphics?

[@mndeg]

this is ground breaking stuff actually

[@sgtlionelfrey]

How to find the best ram at 6400 ? A die ?

[@gamedaytoday1]

In the description. The. You set the timings manually yourself

[@sgtlionelfrey]

@ what do you think about the Kingston FURY KF564C32BBEK2-64 ?

[@futurewolfjackson1628]

9700x ftw. got one for $280 on ebay how can you beat that? Its a nice upgrade from my aging FX-8350. JK upgrading from a 7700x...too hot!

[@turbo111777]

Would also like to see 8000

[@delatroy]

Nice just ordered 9700x yesterday 😨

[@VenJkE]

6400@2133 VS 6400@2200 Not correct, bec 6400@2133 its in synh, but 6400@2200 - not synh. To be correct IF@2200 you need be 6600mhz RAM. latency on x3d in good tune

[@gamedaytoday1]

@@VenJkE sync is for AIDA benchmarks, max FCLK is for gaming. The results speak for themselves

[@VenJkE]

@@gamedaytoday1 just oc IF without sync give you only bandwidth.. sync oc IF give you better latency. For improve games you do not need bandwidth, low latency get much improves in games. You can check it yourself..

[@Skeames1214]

Some of this doesn't make a ton of sense to me. You're saying Area 18 is a more demanding than Orison, but the results don't show that. They show that Orison has lower highs and lower lows. You spend a lot of the video talking about how the x3d chips benefit from areas that aren't CPU demanding, but in the most demanding areas (i.e. the areas with .1% lows in the 20-30 fps range) it is faster. I have a 7700x, zero dog in this fight, but the commentary seems incongruous with the results at several points. A 3 fps lead when you're in the 20-30 fps range is 10%+. That's just... faster. Not fast enough to be *good*, but quantifiably faster.

[@Pabula]

If Star Citizen is such memory dependent, why not test AMD with higher than 6400, new boards are allowing 8000+ , given that it will not be 1:1, but maybe Star Citizen being so memory speed dependent, could offset the 1:1 recommendation.

[@gamedaytoday1]

Have you heard about the good old Infinity Fabric?

[@JAnx01]

I've been telling people that as long as you have a fast memory, X3D chips are almost redundant. They add average fps in games and scenarios where you'd be achieving high framerate anyway and although higher average framerate may look good on paper, you don't feel it. I'd appreciate, if you could incorporate the i7-13700K, maybe with E-cores disabled, in your future test. I've seen people getting very good results with it recently, also by memory tuning.

[@h1tzzYT]

Yep, the way i see it, vcache cpu is for normies who dont tune ram (which is perfectly fine) and vanilla parts for those who do, tuned 9950x without SMT would probably give a good fight in this benchmark suite

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

I hope my computer won't explode if I set such hardcore timings. 😉

[@mlwg9317]

9800 vs 9700 doesn't make much difference...you literally show that it makes a generation level performance increase, winning by 10-20 FPS is a beating

[@csabauri351]

Finally ! GJ

[@gamedaytoday1]

Thanks 🙏🏽

[@balazsvagvolgyi5245]

thx good teszt

[@runipaulino6268]

Damn, why tf did they keep the same IO die

[@gamedaytoday1]

Hope they increase the FLCK in zen 6

[@AngelicStreak]

Has anyone independently verified these results? I find it very hard to believe RAM "tuning" would have such a big impact. SC is most definitely not RAM bound, but CPU bound and cache bound. And with the amount of bs people post for views today, I'm highly skeptical of these results...

[@runipaulino6268]

Star citizen is definitely ram bound

[@Blitzz_69]

He is right i have the same big gains after fully tuned my system. And i run also A-Die on 6400 cl28

[@gamedaytoday1]

What do you think Cache is?

[@jwonyoutube]

I felt second hand embarrassment reading this

[@squirrel6687]

Star Citizen's engine architecture relies heavily on large data streaming, exceeding the on-chip cache size. This forces frequent access to system RAM, making memory bandwidth the primary bottleneck rather than the CPU's cache advantage.

[@FJano12]

Get rid of the clicking sound lol

[@andreideancu]

one game tested?hahaha,test please in all games AAA bro

[@ppevader-u2t]

Imagine spending all that time tuning for an absolute scam of a game. How delusional can one be?

[@TKanal3]

Star Citizen Derangement Syndrome

[@jwonyoutube]

I’m playing the scam game right now and it’s eye watering beautiful and fun lol, hop on it’s a hoot. No potato pcs allowed tho

[@mndeg]

it's the best game by far

[@brucehwang9789]

You should test actual games besides scam citizen...it has become a meme at this point and testing other games would show that in many cases the 9800x3d has a huge advantage over everything including the 13900k by a wide margin

[@TheSharpeful]

Think the 9900x3d will finally beat the old 13900KF?

[@ThereisNOpandemicWAKEUP]

I seem to be unable to get my 6400 mhz ram kit stable with it's xmp.. i tried everything i can think of :( running it at 6000 mhz with my 9800x3d. eventhough its on the QVL of my motherboard.

[@Dave20VT]

yeah, why not synchronized 8000mt/s??? ..... 6400 is bad.. your video is bad and testing aswell...