9800X3D vs. tiny cooler.....

[@3thikz]

Awesome test, hard to find SFF content like this. I'm so early

[@brafya]

dude is there anything this chip CANT do

[@Brilliant.sux1]

It can’t bring her back 😢

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

Be in stock lol

[@graphz07]

releasing the 9950X3D with a good price :

[@Lyserdigi]

make me a sammich....

[@nhoffman0677]

​@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 My Microcenter has had like three restocks already, and they still have it in stock.

[@konrad999999]

Dude! This is exactly what I needed. I have a similar case with a 5600x3d with the same cpu cooler. Now I know I can upgrade the motherboard cpu and memory and keep the case!

[@Bitwit]

Sweet, good luck!

[@AugmentedGravity]

The 9800X3D is the gift that keeps on giving holy shit

[@BorisZakharov98]

why is this guy not getting more views with 2 million subs. it's ridiculous. he has some of the most useful videos I've watched

[@WayStedYou]

Because he stopped posting for a long time and ruined the algorithm of his channel

[@ariffinsetya]

he went hiatus for some time

[@gusterposey]

He had a lot of IRL stuff happen, buying and renovating a house, a divorce, burnout, etc. I'm just happy to have him back and have him looking happy and back into things.

[@vaporainwaves]

Those graphs are phenomenal, in style, readability and performance.

[@StopITgetSomeHelpxD]

Kyle is always coming up with unique ideas good job bro thank you

[@NVMDSTEvil]

Curve optimizer cap for AM4 was -30, AM5 goes to -60. I want someone to try hitting handheld numbers to see what performance they are capable of

[@WayStedYou]

And they are completely different mv offsets

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

-40 PBO offset is pretty nice. I have an early 7800X3D and a newer 7800X3D, the early one can barely do -15 while the newer one can do -25, I know these voltage curves aren’t perfectly comparable, but jeez that power draw with that undervolt applied is just great to see

[@ekuuuuuuuuuu]

Im slowly buying stuff around my formd t1 that is collecting dust, glad to see 9800x3d was the right choice

[@heirtothethrone000]

Your Velka build was the best SFF build that I've seen. Everything in it was what I had on my parts list except less ram, storage and undecided on the what processor. I just think the Velka 3 case is just too expensive to have to buy a riser cable as well but did find another case. I would have love to have seen more of the undervolting settings that you used on the ne chip. I'm truly inspired by your builds.

[@cyclonous6240]

This chip is gonna be dream CPU for SFF builders.

[@maozedowner5915]

3:10 No, it's not a Ryzen 7000 specific thing. My Gigabyte B650m AORUS ELITE can hit minus 60 on a Ryzen 5 7600. Before -60 on PBO2, my Ryzen 5 7600 draws 80w @4.9ghz on all core cinebench R23. After -60 on PBO2, it now draws 50w @5.15ghz, doing the same CBR23 all core benchmarking.

[@maozedowner5915]

Correction: It fluctuates from 50w~55w, I think it's temperature dependent. Additional information: It's 24/7 stable. Been running this for 2 years at this point.

[@vajraentite133]

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the max was increased from 30 to 50 so at -60 it should still be maxing at -50

[@maozedowner5915]

@@vajraentite133 My motherboard do let me set it to -60, although Ryzen Master it only shows 50. I think I trust what's shown on my motherboard BIOS more.

[@vajraentite133]

@@maozedowner5915 i am pretty sure the ceiling is still gonna be -50. Even if you set it at -60 or -70 it will still use -50 as a ceiling. You can probably test it with a simple cinebench of -50 vs -60. But at the end of the day it doesnt matter I guess? If its working its working.

[@ChrisErwood]

Lol, that's what, maybe a quarter or less the power draw of a comparable Intel CPU?

[@supergooglelee]

Air cooling my 9800X3D with the Noctua D15 here. No hassle, lift and switch.

[@SmallFormFactorNetwork]

Fantastic Testing, Kyle! Thanks for helping out the SFF community with this!

[@christenlanger]

I'm cooling my 9800X3D chip inside a Fractal Ridge with a 67mm cooler (Thermalright AXP120-X67). It never gets past 76C even with a 10-min Cinebench R23 run! All cores are hitting 4.9GHz and it's not even throttling. This chip is bonkers!

[@BorisZakharov98]

What's better axp or phantom spirit?

[@jessiethedude]

⁠@@BorisZakharov98 PS but they’re completely different use cases

[@johnnywoolen1453]

This was refreshing to see. My focus has shifted to SFF, so I'm all about reducing the power envelope and thermals. Almost all other videos showcase increasing performance by increasing power draw.

[@bogotstogoskiing]

Was hoping to build a mini itx build with the 9800x3d and x870 mitx and this confirmed it. Gonna do it!

[@jedikevin20]

Let's go Kyle. Good stuff. Old-school Bitwit quick hitter videos always 🔥.

[@JethroKabigting]

Perfect review , been waiting a sff review for the 9800x3d

[@lilclm64]

This is it I want to see the 9800x3d on sff builds, hope to build an Xbox size 9800x3d and 5090 once released

[@MoltenPie]

5090 is gonna be a 600w card, no way it fits in a sff build. I doubt I will find a better replacement for my 220w 4070 super in 5000 series from nvidia. Zotac 4070 super is the smallest of its kind and just fits in my Midori 5L case. You cannot jump above that in such tiny space. 5080 is rumored to be 450W and there's no way 5070 will consume as little as 4070-4070s do. the future of sff builds does not look bright

[@chy.0190]

@@MoltenPie Lol they said that about 4090, its not going to be 600w. 4090 performs well in every sff case it can fit in. Sff is not only 5L cases you know.

[@MoltenPie]

@@chy.0190 Xbox series x is 6.86 L and series s is 2.7 L. I don't consider 10 L machines sff

[@ChrisErwood]

@@MoltenPie I think the smallest case you could put a 4090 in would be the Dan A4, and then at that point you're limited to one of the 2 slot blower versions that are really made for AI workloads and are loud AF (comparable with some gaming laptops on high fan setting) under load. With a custom voltage/clock curve and some power limiting you could maybe get a usable 4090/9800X3D build at 7L but it would still be compromised I think. I'd still consider the FormD T1 SFF though and you can easily do a solid build in that.

[@superpandabacon]

I ran Cinebench 23 and 24 while on the iGPU on an AXP-120 cooler. Tdie was 95-96 the whole time, and no crashes. Amazing cpu.

[@joshuaprymych]

Loving the SFF content, going to be my next form factor when i do a full system upgrade

[@chrish116]

KYLEEEEEEEEE...... GLAD YOUR BACK DUDE MISS YA LOADS MAN

[@MemesDex]

I had the same 10$ 3 heat pipe cooler since 2019 on AM4. Went from 3600 to 5600 to 5700x3d on the same motherboard and the budget cooler does just fine.

[@Luke_4044]

what was your gpu upgrade path?

[@MemesDex]

@@Luke_4044 RX 580 - RX 6600 - RX 6800 XT

[@keyserxx]

Nice test thanks. 95C and lower is within spec, so all good! Currently on NH-U12A single fan and lowest rpm, 7600, Fractal Compact case stock fans removed, 3x NF-A12x25 low rpm intake only. It's quiet :) Will be moving to 9800X3D next year when prices are slightly better.

[@KYSMO]

Bro asking and answering the real questions!

[@jemborg]

Hey there, that was very interesting, just the sort of thing I really wanted to see. I have a compact 4090/7800X3D rig in a highly constrained case. Under the circumstances, I opted for a 120mm AIO cooler drawing in room temperature air from _outside_ the case. That air is quickly exhausted out the top and back of the case missing the GPU intakes. I get very similar results as you with a PBO2 -30mV curve. I get 5050MHz max and over 4.7GHz all core. The 4090 is undervolted too. It's curve is raised to 2760MHz at 975mV before flattening off.

[@Sajgoniarz]

Thank you very much! I'm currently owner of FormD T1 and when RTX 50XX comes out I'm going to build another SFF PC and this is the content i exactly needed :)

[@Glubbdubdrib]

Oh man. I forgot this channel existed! Thanks x3d for bringing this channel back into my life

[@BryceCzirr-jz7ju]

He went off the map a while when his wife cheated on him and they split up

[@Glubbdubdrib]

@@BryceCzirr-jz7ju Ahhh... women...

[@Le_Mon9]

I was waiting for this kind of test.

[@JohanHultin]

31$ for a key is still a fucking robbery. Gotten several, as in 20-30 through the years, for around 5-8$ depending on exchange rates and such.

[@TalonLister]

Great info to have for those of us looking to put together ITX builds with this chip!

[@chicoriver8606]

Awesome video. Wow, that cooler can handle both cpus.

[@Kor3Gaming_Ghost]

0:12 4090 turns to a 6040 real quick 😂😂

[@officedemon]

love your videos! miss your uploads!

[@Bitwit]

I post every week!

[@andriusmosta]

Just FYI curve optimizer is not limited to -30 for 7xxx series CPU. I’ve ran my 7600 with -40 and -50.

[@Zara-ub7hc]

thanks for the sff content. rlly appreciate it.

[@shoobadoo123]

I have an 8 liter case. Good to know I'll be able to use this cpu in it!

[@wrusst]

Should of added the +200mhz option

[@AbhishekSaral]

Making the most relevant content as always love it

[@kushy_TV]

kyle! get a zephyr 4070 itx from overtek, it's expensive but it's legit, and it is small enough to fit in the velka 3, shoved my 4070 in with a 7800x3d, it's a 4k60 (with dlss) beast

[@117Brandon]

Using the same in my Velka 3! Trying out the Strix x870 (hopefully the NVMe heatsink will fit with the side panel), 9800x3D with L9A, 6000MHz RAM, and the Zephyr 4070. The Zephyr 4070 is expensive, but I have had some pretty good results with it on my test bench. Able to achieve a stable +150MHz core, +600MHz memory.

[@the1observer]

Perfect combo for 1440p indeed

[@AustinLeeWNSP]

i would LOVE to see one of those noctua 3000RPM fans on this lil cooler, it might give it a small boost in cooling

[@BeeWhere]

I love these kinds of niche scenarios Because few people actually run a 4090 for 1080p gaming, but that's The test methodology to see CPU differences. I want to see which is the cheapest CPU For pure gaming. That can push the same frame rates at 1440p and 4k.

[@smortg]

This may be one of the most videos on the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. Achieving this performance per watt with a 65W cooler feels almost unimaginable, but AMD have been chasing these engineering victories for a while now. Still stuck with 65W 3700X for now and I'm tempted to get back into undervolting

[@FreakyAngelus]

So if the temperature and power draws are this stable.. isn't it worth a shot to lock the clock speeds and rerun it with a locked 5.2 Ghz? Those oscillations are something I've never seen as a positive when there is enough thermal headroom.

[@NickVu1]

Nice! but daaamn I would like to see 9700x in the mix as a lower powered option to see how it would handle itself, with all participants without undervolting. Because older 3Ds have been more efficient to their normal counterparts contrary to 9xxxx series

[@AugmentedGravity]

StarForge take notes!

[@DanteBogdan]

That's a strong undervolt and it's still going.

[@jyadel]

I have the same cooler on my 1300X right now in my SFF case and I'm planning on an upgrade to the 9800X3D. I now have no doubts in my mind that the Silver Soul 110 I intend to use will have no issue whatsoever! Thanks Kyle!

[@ManTa-o5y]

You'll be getting at least a 250% uplift! A bit overkill imho bro... But hey whatever boats your float! 😜😜😜

[@jyadel]

@@ManTa-o5y I sure hope so! haha. it's paired with a 1050 Ti so I'm well overdue for an upgrade

[@AerynGaming]

The CO limit is -30 on 5000x3d, -50 on 7000x3d and later

[@afiqazman6615]

Wow I missed Bitwit. KZbin used to show his videos on my home feed. But since he posted about reducing tech content and would do more vlogging, his videos did not show on my feed anymore… until today!

[@VascovanZeller]

My main take away here is that undervolted chips perform *better* than stock while drawing less power, holy smokes!

[@nickjd01]

That sffpc build is beautiful. Is there a video on it already?

[@Bitwit]

Check the description!

[@heirtothethrone000]

Yeah.. His Velka 3 build is about the nicest SFF build I've seen.

[@maxyakovi1423]

My 7800x3d is set to - 35. All cores have been using this setting for six months... I can push more but there's no point.. with - 35 I get 19350-19250 in cinebench r23. My highest result was with -45 which I just tried Check how much I can get for the sport and I got 19631....... And I use ak620 digital air cooling

[@pciegene2180]

been watching this guy for years but never ever had my own pc

[@dencelesquilona7344]

Have you tried getting the zephyr 4070 for your velka pro?

[@andrewmorris3479]

What was the gaming performance difference of the 9800X3D stock compared to the -40 all core?

[@vincentvega3093]

I would recommend revisiting the Loque Ghost S1 for a full 2-slot gpu then.

[@DS-pk4eh]

Does this means , this could be great gaming laptop cpu too? AMD binning and a bit more tweaking, and you have monster in a laptop

[@avo291]

Have you checked out the zephyr 4070 single fan? It should be >170mm and should fit in the Velka3

[@heirtothethrone000]

Have you seen what those things are going for and it's got a pink fan 😂😂😂

[@avo291]

@@heirtothethrone000 the color doesnt matter since its going in such a small ssf case and yeah i know, but i know bitwit got the money i dont to build with it lmao. Pink slays

[@sapporun]

Can you compare it with any other CPU in Path of Exile? No reviews feature Path of Exile and it is a incredibly CPU heavy game

[@antoniocepaj7544]

This is cool...no pun intended..... I live in slightly hotter area, would like to keep 9800X3d stock. What is bare minimum noctua chromax air cooler I need for it ? And does undervolting cpu increases it's longevity life ? ❤. Is cpu worth 480€ without tax ?

[@MrDutch1e]

Had that board and it was so much hassle at the time I ended up returning it and going intel as there was no viable itx alternative at the time on am5. Hopefully its gotten better. My main issue was no output to the monitor from the gpu in bios, not even showing splash screen, once expo was enabled. Onboard output worked. Board also had a fan header pin not soldered to the board from the factory, it just slid in and out 😂.

[@Justtwodangmany]

You couldnt have externally used the 4090 with a riser cable? It didnt have to fit into the case.

[@aguidamonster]

I got the same background image on my laptop. Cyber punk baby!!!!!

[@artofersuke]

Is Arctic Freezer 36 enough for the 9800X3D?

[@SaperPl1]

What about 4070 Zephyr? It doesn't fit?

[@117Brandon]

Wattage, voltage, temp, and clock speeds in R23? What paste are you using with the L9A? I'm seeing similar results in ECO mode 65w (88w package power) with -40 all core, x10 scalar, +200MHz boost clock override. 22,000 points in R23 with 80c temps. Currently on an open test bench with the L9A and 6000MHz RAM before throwing it in the Velka 3 with the Zephyr 4070.

[@sannyye_]

i get 23,300+ in r23 with -40 all core, x10, +100mhz (+200mhz is unstable at -40 and doesn't crash at a -23) temps are 75c-80c on custom loop avg 34c coolant temp.

[@117Brandon]

@sannyye_ if you have a custom loop I would consider de lidding and using the direct die waterblock. I'm using a mini cooler (L9a) to fit it into a 3.9L case.

[@Eizonn]

Awesome video! On my 7800x3D I managed to maintain a stable -36 all cores and achieve higher clock speeds on games, almost 5050 mhz all the time, hitting 4.950 mhz on full load, really nice CPU!

[@Anon1370]

on my 7950x3d i hit 5.2 ghz on the cache ccd and i am at -15 all cores why is yours so low for -36

[@Eizonn]

@@Anon1370 i think it's normal, since the 7800x3D has max boost of 5 ghz.

[@Anon1370]

@@Eizonn i've seen 7800x3d hit 5.2 that 5ghz is the max boost without touching co probably i dont know i dont have 7800x3d its just what i seen

[@Eizonn]

@@Anon1370 huumm the max boost on my MOBO says it’s 5050 mhz so i’m okay with that tbh.

[@Anon1370]

@@Eizonn its capable of 5.2 but if your happy sure thing

[@MrOnlinenow]

If the 98x3D requires a full-core undervolt of 40 just to fit into this small case, then it simply isn’t suitable for this case. Maybe your CPU can achieve stability with an undervolt of 40, but that’s not likely to be a common outcome. Perhaps you don’t fully understand how to assess stable operation at all.

[@Hjominbonrun]

I have an AM3 cooler on my 7800X3D. It works fine, cos back in the day the CPU's were legit toaster.

[@Cortexan]

just get a Formd T1. then you can go as SFF as possible while still fitting a 4090 / 5090. I really don't get why you, Jay, Paul, even Steve all sleep on the Formd. I'll send you one from England just to see someone other than Ali build and test it.

[@RandomYooser]

I was planning on selling my 78 to get a 98, but after watching all these comparisons, I think I'm okay. I'll wait for next gen.

[@Bbent-iv1qm]

How were the temps of the stock 9800X3d during the R23 test? I'm worried that my standard hyper 212-style heat sink/fan (single fan) inside my full size atx case won't be enough to cool this beast once I upgrade.

[@squirrel6687]

Why run R23. There isn't any correlation to gaming but rendering. Besides, it is dismal in this area of performance

[@Bbent-iv1qm]

Just curious because I use R23 to spot-check and make sure the CPU isn't hitting TJMaxx after running it a few times (I know it doesn't represent real world gaming scenarios when hitting all cores at 100%, but if it can run R23 without it overheating then I know that I am pretty much golden for games with the cooler that I have).

[@orion9k]

Make a CS2 only video, trying to achieve as high fps (also 1% low) by tweaking low graphics in 1440p for people who wants to upgrade for the future 480 hz and 540 hz monitors. I am sure you already know this, but it's a big deal that one can push as much fps as possible (also the 1% lows, ideally the 1% lows should be hitting the monitors hz capability).

[@fatray2834]

Bitwit, now that is a name I’ve not heard in a long time.

[@MeatNinja]

Are you supposed to leave the max boost clock override to +200 in PBO settings?

[@MeatNinja]

Or will leaving it at auto give better thermal performance?

[@Techno-Tanuki]

I’ve been looking to build a founder 4070 and a 5800x3d into an Xbox one SAD as the case so seeing how much better the 9800x3d. I’ll do that once I upgrade my 9800x3d into my main rig so my current 5800x3d can be used for the “Xbox”

[@andrewmutavi590]

at what point graphically at 1440p high n 4k high(for us using 4k projectors n VR headsets)does it not make sense getting the 9800x3d or 7800x3d?is it with a 4060ti(16gb),4070?or 7700xt or 7800xt or 3080(12gb)0r the rx 6800?

[@SimonKirchner]

Any benchmarks with this CPU undervolted and running Cinebench r23? Couldn't do that with a 7800x3d in my sff build. Which is why I switched to an 8400f with my 4090 which should be fine since I only play at 4k

[@kalark]

I'm still surprised that I have a 5800X3D in my mini itx build and it's cooled with a Thermalright AXP-120-X67 with 0 throttling

[@N3KO_79]

eh yeah.. still waiting for my 9800X3D... the scalper was more quick than me and was already sold out...

[@dr.tobiasgoodfellow5174]

As a lifelong gamer going back to the dawn of gaming, one thing I don’t understand is people’s obsession with frame rates.

[@shoobadoo123]

You've never played on a 240Hz monitor?

[@volkswagenmember]

the lower power consumption is the ace in the hole for all ryzen cpus. undervolt them and watch your performance skyrocket as your temps plummet. i have a ryzen 9 5950X undervolted just sipping power never getting hot while all 16 core are overclocked

[@smolmuffin]

Would it be worth it to try and undervolt a non x chip? Have a 7600 currently and mostly happy with it, other than mild temp concerns when it comes to heavier games. (Of course I can try and improve my cooling but that costs money hahaha)

[@nielsenrainier7710]

@@smolmuffin your'e good, 7600 is already like a pre-undervolted 7600x, so dont need to do that

[@volkswagenmember]

@@nielsenrainier7710 this

[@mcunner]

Shame, I'm really worried about Intel...

[@Cliffyboyy]

All we need to know is if it can hack the main frame

[@Alauz]

Love ya content!

[@arrowsmind6605]

i think the cpus are limited in gamign by the gpu at this point i have a slightly bigger sfx case i am thinking of getting a 9800x3d with a gpu which is quite a bit faster. got atm a 6900xt debating about getting a 4080 super pro art. but doubt its currently worth getting since the gpu isnt available in my country too little stock

[@zaxyss7339]

With my 7900X3D I think I won silicon lottery cause my Mhz is around 5100-5250Mhz range while gaming. So I don't think going to 9900X3D would make noticible difference.. plus next generation is more power hungry so it's win win for me.

[@Anon1370]

i get 5.2 on my 7950x3d on the ccd cache with -14 i think its about right that they can all hit 5.2

[@Anon1370]

what they can't hit is 5.4 ghz like the 9800x3d and they don't have the dye underneath the chip

[@SL1PSTAR]

Would AMD select the units they send out to tech tubers?

[@r4dius]

I needed this info to know if I could undervolt enought on my ncase m1 and keep the pc silent, thanks

[@BobBobby-u6q]

Can this chip do a back flip while playing Crysis 2 And plzz proof it

[@screes620]

Kyle... I JUST bought an Ncase M2... You are making me want to buy a Velka 3 now instead... Why you do this to me man?

[@jamie7tcr777]

My chip is still held at UK customs no idea at the moment whether ill get it tomorrow or after Christmas 😢

[@Anon1370]

theres still over a month till christmas relax

[@jamie7tcr777]

@Anon1370 thanks ma I forgot how calendars work I feel much better now 😘

[@xxxplode5999]

You remind me of Quagmire but for PCs

[@Bitwit]

Nice.

[@idkwhattohaveasausername5828]

Giggity

[@Erksah02]

how about a delid? direct die cool it i want to see what it can do at the extreme haha

[@WayStedYou]

The offsets for 7000 and 900 arent the same scale any more

[@poobalu]

Zephyr released a 4070 single fan fwiw, the 4060ti isn’t REALLY the fastest card that fits in this case but nobody can get their hands on that one…

[@dencelesquilona7344]

its been in stock multiple times the past month

[@Gymliftpeep]

theres a one fan 4070 zeph card that can fit in there.