9x19mm, 77gr Copper EHP, First Response, G9 Defense

[@BuffRANGE]

Macros: flic.kr/s/aHBqjAdKwf

[@ghostwriter1415]

Do you think it would be possible to load this into a 9 x 39 casing? You might create a home defense SBR, capable of 4000 fps!

[@BuffRANGE]

@@ghostwriter1415 9x39 is a larger bullet OD than 9mm

[@acannon2700]

​@@BuffRANGEany way you would test the g9 EHP .45 Acp vs the underwood Xtreme defenders for gel and or armor? I haven't seen any decent tests for the .45 g9, or many with the .45 Xtreme defender for that matter. 😁 love your videos

[@nathan_k]

I have mixed feelings about companies restricting (lawful) products to (only their preferred) sub-groups for private internal reasons. I'll avoid sensitive discussion -- since this is a sponsored video -- but will state I have older mentors who had to live through that. I look forward to seeing more products that are more accessible, well performant, and novel engineering for self-protection! Cheers!

[@prototype3a]

From G9 website. "The hallmark of G9 is the desire to care for and promote the well-being of people. The company’s collective concerns continue to be for protecting the innocent."

[@JoeyBaby47]

@@prototype3a I wonder if they forgot to think about people who want to defend themselves from criminals?

[@FishFind3000]

That’s one thing that sucks about HK, no mp5 and g3 for us. Only military or police.

[@nathan_k]

@@FishFind3000 In those cases, it may be contractually obligated by virtue of "non-compete" clauses in German government procurement contract. "You shalt not sell our G36 elsewhere, if we buy 100k off you." I wish HK didn't go "above and beyond" crippling retail products and parts, though. Or intentionally screwing over competitors, like MR223. They treat public as an afterthought; very unfriendly.

[@DerrickMovies]

@@FishFind3000 They came out with the sp5. Go buy one.

[@JacobTheGunNut]

Nice round. G9 can kick rocks until they sell to "civillians".

[@peterv1318]

Exactly

[@gunnermurphy6632]

They can suck big fat donkey dick and more

[@pewpewTN]

Yea that's some absolute tyrant shit.

[@FishFind3000]

No point making the video since nobody can buy the product.

[@louv4437]

You can buy the external hollow points guys I have them in 40 and 45

[@tinkertalksguns7289]

Excellent review, very thorough.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you!

[@yetisuncle666]

dude, i just stumbled upon this video. and in all honesty ive not perused the entire library of vids, however if they are even close to this quality and info packed, you have a sub for life. there is all info and no uneeded b.s. and no 5 minute intro, i despise intros. not only have you earned a sub (binge watch will begin as soon as this comment is posted) but i am currently also perusing the g9 defense website, and loving what im seeing. i, in all honesty was expecting about 3 dollars per round, like the unattainable r.i.p. rounds. but pleased to see that this line is not at all overpriced and comparable to other self defense ammo. well done on both, you as a creator(information creator, not "content" creator lol) as well as g9 defense. im quite pleased and thankful to have stumbled upon this pile of goodness. thank you.

[@briancunningham5011]

@@yetisuncle666 buffman has the best most through round reviews of any other channel on YT. If your curious about the ballistic capabilities of a particular round pre-purchase, buffman probably has an excellent video on it. His channel is highly underrated for the quality of information you get.

[@blckandwhtknight]

Thanks for doing this test. That deformation of the G9 on windshield is the deal breaker for me. I figured it would have issues retaining the flutes when hitting metal/ windshields. Either of the JHPs will do better against windshield even without expanding. HST seems to still be on top.

[@whatsup24_7]

Underwood Extreme Defender, HST, and Ranger T-Series are my 3 favs

[@MyLonewolf25]

Neat concept, but they can pound sand until they sell to everyone

[@richardefriend]

I'd love to see a head to head test of these against the Underwood Xtreme Defenders, my current carry ammo for my P365X.

[@tylerlewis6204]

One thing you should consider is these types of rounds heavily rely on velocity to be effective and the 3.1 inch barrel might not be moving them quick enough to be as effective as some hollowpoints. I'm carrying HST in my 365xl and g9 in a fullsize .40 for winter carry. When I can justify spending the money to test both of them I'll compare underwood and G9 out of a short barrel and fullsize on a slab of meat but hopefully somebody will do that sooner than I'll be able too haha.

[@richardefriend]

@@tylerlewis6204 I use the 90 gr. +P XD's, and with their barrier blind design, all the testing I've seen shows definitively that they provide all the power needed from a 3.1" barrel to be fully effective, more so than a JHP would be capable of doing (even the Sig V-Crown JHP specifically designed for the P365). You're correct that short barrels will deliver less performance, and that will almost always mean that JHPs won't expand much and are often a waste--but the XD's (or for my .380, the XP's) will deliver as promised. Being barrier blind is just an extra benefit.

[@texasbeast239]

G9 vs. XD test is definitely needed.

[@justmeiswear]

Tons of information! Well done. Watched beginning to end.

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome, thank you!

[@steveosmonson6535]

Nice work and thank you. Would be interested in seeing the 124+p woodsman (G9) run through your test.

[@typhoonjenkins8330]

Hi Matt, Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into making this extensive testing video. I was shocked at the velocities on the G9 ammo. I also have to compliment your shooting skills. Your shot placement was perfection. The groups were insanely good too. I was wondering if you could share the distance at which you zero your 9mm carry pistols? I learned a ton about the G9 ammo here and it's impressive stuff to say the very least. Have a great rest of the week brother. PS, that Caldwell rest is the beezneez, I gotta grab one. Hopefully they're still available. Last think, I love both the 407K and the 507C w/ACSS. Awesome RDS units at good prices.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'm a 10-15 yard zero with my pistols usually.

[@justinjones9042]

Good review and interesting results

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you!

[@thatoneguy454c]

Those cases are awesome. Picked up 1500 and the special resizing die. You can load them HOT with no issues. I mean like 124 grain 9mm at 1300fps out of a glock 48 with no pressure signs

[@ja0298]

I’ll stick with 124 +p HSTs and Gold Dots.

[@rangetime6779]

Great informative test. Keep up the good work. Your test was a lot of work!

[@Cyotis]

Thank you so much! This is a very informative video! I really like my Xtreme Defenders. These are pretty sweet.

[@NomadicHacker.]

Very informative as always

[@BuffRANGE]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@peterv1318]

G9 vs Fort Scott

[@whatsup24_7]

I would like to see the G9 against what I carry. The Underwood Extreme Defender 90 grain 9mm

[@timrobinson6573]

Is the external hollowpoint projectile a gimmick? Is the damage in gel just something that happens in gel and is used to sell to people who dont know any better? I didnt think human tissue cavitated and ripped at such low velocities.

[@BuffRANGE]

I think some of that data will need time to be collected. These lighter loadings are approaching that "rifle like" wounding capability in terms of velocity, but what happens in the gel doesn't necessarily translate to real tissue.

[@jason200912]

for many years people have been very resistant. The meat tests show that fluted rounds do achieve 1.5-2x more expansion than the best hollow points. The only disadvantage is that fluted rounds are very very lightweight while hollow points are extremely heavy bullets. The only good lightweight traditional 115gr hollowpoint so far has been the tac xpd and the corbon dpx +p variants. Fluted ammo is 68-90 grains in weight and so a full mag is half the weight of a heavy hollow point mag.

[@Tiuyyvvvghh567]

Could you do 10mm g9 ehp for some reason nobody has done it..thx

[@briancunningham5011]

Excellent round. Like most other consumers, G9 doesn't mean shi to me if i can't purchase and carry it.

[@BuffRANGE]

I’m wondering if they discontinued it and only sell the 80gr version. They have restricted brass version

[@whiplash636]

I know you like to handload some of your own, so... getcha some *Vihtavuori 3N38 and 124gr XTPs.* I had to get a Lone Wolf (Alpha) barrel to support longer seating depths, but with that powder, I'm pushing 124 grainers right at 1450fps out of a 5" barrel. The best part is - believe it or not - it's not overpressure. There's something magical about that powder. You can literally cram as much of it into a case as possible and not see so much as a hint of pressure signs on brass. If you'd like, I'd be happy to send ya some to try out. I'd be very curious to see what that 16" barrel would get out of them.

[@garysavage5274]

It's pretty cool to see what modern bullets and powder can do for old calibers.

[@Eclipse_Armory]

Hey buffman, could you do a video comparing the civilian 80 grain loadings against common hollow points like the hornady, Speer, and federal? I’ll be more than happy to send whatever you need your way.

[@BuffRANGE]

The 80gr g9 load? I reviewed those at the beginning of the year.

[@Eclipse_Armory]

@@BuffRANGE sorry if I worded it wrong. What I meant was comparing that load against traditional JHPs in gel tests as well as glass penetration within the same video.

[@TheRealZJM377]

Where is the 45 of this Ammo

[@BuffRANGE]

I was only asked to review the 9mm version..

[@380master9]

You should also do 380s which are becoming very popular

[@BuffRANGE]

I don't own any .380 guns, and have no plans to.

[@johndenham9999]

Good job. Thanks

[@boom_911]

To everyone saying they can kick rocks because they dont sell the exact same bullets to non Le - The "civilian" round has far superior wounding and penetration then traditional hollow points. Far less deviation through glass, with great barrier penetration results. The only thing the "law enforcement" version does that the civilian version doesn't is penetrate level 3a vest that cops wear. So you can pout and feel like you're being treated inferior, or you can buy the ammunition that will protect you and your family better. I've seen the civilian 9mm / 45/ and 10mm used in live flesh (hogs), and they create wounds about double the size hst create and penetrate further. I don't need to penetrate level 3a vest, so it's definitely good enough for me, and I appreciate the innovation. My 12 gauge also doesn't penetrate level 3a vest, but I'm still grabbing my 590a1 in a home invasion, and I'm pretty sure I'll be alright. Vest or not

[@jakegrube9477]

They should sell both or fuck off, law enforcement isnt magically more deserving of certain ammunition just because theyre paid by the government

[@rob6850]

Impressive stuff

[@jason200912]

Any idea why g9 won't sell their apc or first responder rounds and only sells ehp? And why do they keep changing from 77 grain to 80 grain?

[@BuffRANGE]

They don’t want people who would use them against LE to buy them.

[@jason200912]

@@BuffRANGE g9 is anti-2a confirmed lol

[@lithium1770]

@@BuffRANGE That is anti 2a to the max

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@jason200912How exactly is it Anti-2A to sell armor piercing pistol rounds to civilians when the law says they can't?

[@jakegrube9477]

​the only laws i know of regulating "armor piercing" ammo apply to steel cored projectiles so stuff like fort scott tui, underwood extreme penetrator and so on arent affected despite still being capable of penetrating 3a kevlar 😊

[@380master9]

So you telling me this is what Le is using right now? There is all types of ammo that come in a "duty"box such as gold dots, such as Federal Hydra shock duty version. There is a All copper projectile made by fort Scott munitions it is exceptional and defeating any type of barrier and it's called t u i or tumble upon impact, they look like rifle bullets. They leave a mean wound channel that surpasses a hollow point because the tumbling makes it two more damage

[@BuffRANGE]

The effectiveness of a tumbling bullet at pistol velocities is still highly debated. However if you need better barrier penetration especially against soft armor, These copper solids reign supreme over JHP.

[@jason200912]

hydra shock is 90s ammo. HST is what they use which has double the expansion of trashy hydrashok. However it's gold dot that has the biggest market share on police departments because it takes about 30 years for police to re-evaluate ammo and guns

[@waynn_xap]

Enjoyable, thanks.

[@paulscountry456]

Looks kinda like a Extreme Defender rip-off, no agency's would touch that but I like those fast ones.

[@380master9]

What's amazing to me is how the G2 research RIP is not affected by two 2x4s Now that's some good stuff

[@BuffRANGE]

G2 RIP rounds are on the gimmick spectrum of ammo.

[@yabahal-fakher7992]

Ive been searching forever for a 77g 9x19mm bullet to see what it would do. I wonder if anyone has many anything that closer resembles a spitzer bullet.

[@jason200912]

at close ranges there's no advantage of a spitzer whatsoever

[@PomonaD3]

Double tap makes a 77 gr. Solid copper hollow point at 1600 fps from Glock 17

[@thomascozart1095]

How does this compare to the Underwood Extreme Defender round?

[@pewpewTN]

Extreme Defender is infinitely better if for no reason other than the exclusion of the "law enforcement only" nonsense.

[@thomascozart1095]

@@pewpewTN Thank you sir

[@380master9]

You need to get you a hands on some ABC ammunition made in the '80s the armor penetrating kind for handguns

[@BuffRANGE]

Those were cool at the time, but they basically destroy the barrels you shoot them out of !

[@380master9]

Bro these things are available all over the internet you need to be law enforcement The only bullets I seen that having to be a qualification for is the 50 pack of gold that's

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry what are you asking?

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Great example why lV is becoming bare minimum these days

[@moshkid16]

Id rather support fort scott tui. Cool product though.

[@Kycirion]

Why? The TUI are useless and do no more damage than FMJ. HST and Gold Dot both perform far better and are cheaper.

[@moshkid16]

@@Kycirion as far as penetration capabilities go and civilian availibility. Ill have to look into gold dots.

[@380master9]

Hold on, I thought the whole and only reason police use hollow points is to minimize casualties and over penetration so who is this for exactly the kill team?

[@BuffRANGE]

They use HPs to maximize the amount of permanent wounding they can inflict with pistol bullets while reducing the risk of overpenetration by using FMJ's. FMJ 9mm would penetrate beyond 32" of gel, and it's wounding would be limited. This copper bullet is trying to to provide the better barrier penetration aspects of the FMJ, while trying to get better wounding ballistics like the JHP does.

[@380master9]

I just want to do website these bullets are available for civilian purchase they are expensive as hell $40 for 20 is not the best deal but hey you get what you pay for

[@alexduke5402]

Wunderwaffe

[@380master9]

They actually sell them to the public on their website. My question is is the 9x19 much more powerful than a 380 gold dot or 380 ranger T-Series?

[@jason200912]

the 9mm case has more powder. the 380 bullet is what's used in these 9mm rounds to make it go faster.

[@5jjt]

Copying Underwood?

[@BuffRANGE]

Both have issued patents :D

[@44hawk28]

Over penetration for self-defense ammo. And you generally get a little bit more penetration in actual tissue than you do in gel, but it's hard to tell because I've never been attacked by a bowl of jello nor do I expect to be. I certainly do not consult with the FBI to determine what is best for personal defense. Because they don't do personal defense they do controlled defense drills where are they usually have somebody else if not two or three other officers with them to help them defend themselves. I do not pick the cheapest ammo to shoot, nor do I pick the ammo that I can shoot the next round the fastest because I want each and every round to do just as much damage as it possibly can out of a pistol. Not that I don't care for 9 mm because I do have a Browning high power which is literally the most accurate 9mm pistol I have ever seen. It gets enough velocity to make the 9 mm and adequate self-defense cartridge, but I still prefer 40 Smith 357 Sig and 357 Magnum and 45 ACP all are better cartridges than 9 mm. And gimmicky rounds are exactly that, gimmicky. Interesting that it cuts through 3A body armor, which would tend to make me wonder whether or not anybody should be carrying it. Especially given the piss poor terminal performance that it exhibits. Also answers why I use a titanium chest plate with my body armor.

[@380master9]

Brother again do you need me to send you a link to where you can purchase it for yourself? Simply Google and you shall find

[@BuffRANGE]

I'm confused to what you're asking me?

[@66fairlanekid]

Great content on this channel, keep up the good work. Please do the new federal 70gr frangable, is advertising 1600fps would love to know if that's real.