A BOOK Revealed the Truth of the Gnosis YEARS ago (Genshin Impact 4.2 Lore, Theory, & Speculation)

Spoilers for the 4.2 Archon Quest and the Narzissenkreuz World Quest.
After the 4.2 update, Legend of the Shattered Halberd hits very differently. Maybe Traveler is more like Fischl than we thought. What does this book tell us about Descenders? Who are the 2nd and 3rd Descender? What does King Irmin, the King of Khaenri'ah, have to do with any of this?
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00:00 Introduction
00:39 The Shattered Halberd
04:20 The Descender's Fragments
09:21 The First Descender
13:00 King Irmin
16:00 Closing Thoughts (BONUS 3rd Descender reveal)
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✨ The Holy Blade • The Holy Blade of the ...
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✨ HOYO-Mix: Love is in the Air; Traum durch die Dammerung; Wandering Clouds; Quo Vadis; Sinking into Oblivion; Pathway to Hidden Isles; Voyage of the Black Crystal
✨ "Se Pone Caliente" by the U.S. Commercial Product Safety Commission (public domain)
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#genshinimpact #hoyocreators #genshinimpact #genshin #原神

[@ece-po7us]

Also in the narzissenkruz world quest the oceanid says the traveler must be princess/prince from afar and the traveler can only answer with "..."

[@arber7240]

I love roozes slow descent into madness towards the end of the video

[@roozeveltfox]

thanks i'm sobbing in the parking lot of a Denny's. "Why, Da Wei, Why"

[@zuleykha4645]

@@roozeveltfoxthats so sad and true why da wei? Me saying that and realizing its said as the way 😂

[@Tanuki-Sama]

Wanted to note that Seelies used to live and had their palaces in what is now known as the Dark Sea, which is where Enkanomiya is supposedly located. The halls of heaven, where celestia, the three moon sister and the sun chariot used to reside, are also a thing. So the 7 earthly nations + 2 esotheric realms equals 9 actual places that could potentially correspond with the 9 realms in the stories. There's also the fact that the 7 nations could not exactly be considered realms, but the powers they were built from are. Fontaine is tied to the Primordial Sea, while Sumeru is to the Irminsul and the realm of dreams. Liyue has the adeptus realms (which pale in comparison with Rex Lapis' realm per Madam Ping's explanation) and Inazuma has the plain of Euthymia. The only one that doesn't have something like that is Mondstadt but Venti is pretty sus by himself, or it could be that the whole sky is the anemo realm (where does Venti go when he sleeps for hundreds of years?). There's also something curious in Neuvillette's character story's lines where he implies that the primordial elements used to be balanced and not affect each other as much before the Celestial Nails and 3rd Descender were used to stabilize the world before its collapse. It was only after this (creation of the gnosis) that the primordial elements began to devour eachother. Wheter these primordial energies are the seven elements or the light/dark pneumousia or both it's curious to note. The fact that the elemental reactions could be because of an imbalanced system made to keep the world from falling apart is CRAZY.

[@shaderunner7.0]

Imagine Venti upkeeping the entire false sky and that's why he's kinda just showing us no more than party-trick level of power, because, well, rest of it is kinda preoccupied :^) I'm kinda bothered by the duality of Arkhe, and the realm we can visit in the book, and the descriptions of her side of the book realm by the melusine (by The Seven I'm bad with names), like what's going on in there? Also also, is the big fractured hole in the sky in that book realm a hole made by the Narwhal? Gold is also actually mentioned by name in the last page if I recall to be involved, so that's fun

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

This reminds me of the Pale Princess and the 6 pigmies a bit. Also do you remember which character story it was, I'll comb through the lot anyway just in case.

[@ejokurirulezz]

interesting take keeping in mind yggdrasil also has 9 realms and in khaenri'ahns mostly have nordic names.

[@soemarnosoemarno2822]

I feel like the plane of euthymia is a stretch. I don't think it helped build inazuma in any way. It's more like ei's house. Correct me if I'm wrong tho

[@kittykatpharuhs]

well mondstadt does have a place, supposedly, called the dandelion sea. perhaps that's mondstadt's other realm. we just havent been there yet (begging for more mondstadt terain, GIMME DORMAN PORT!)

[@hritikagoswami7695]

haven't finished the video yet, but i must share this: you talked about weapons being real sentient people, and i was reminded of dainsleif, who is also named after a sword! so i've always thought - is he actually just a sword in human form? he *was* a military personnel, after all. and skirk's master, surtalogi, is also named after surtr's weapon! it's the sword used to set the world on fire during ragnarok. genshin often names characters after objects, weapons many a time. weapons have lore. they have memories. if rene is right about the shape of the self being unimportant, then weapons may as well be capable of becoming humans.

[@diablosjupi]

we already have cats and a... comb? i think becoming human looking and sentient so why not ? (by comb i mean the object that appeared in the inazuma event where yae and ayato organized a test of courage just so we could find this woman ahem i mean yokai and she was angry but dying )

[@Saga_Anserum]

@@diablosjupi A fan, I think she was

[@mayarek11]

The part about the traveler name actually makes so much sense now, as you start the game you get to name the traveler and it is the name they always use to introduce them selves, I always wondered why we can name the traveler if they already have their own name

[@EQU1N0OX]

When you drew the parallel between the First Divine Halberd connecting the nine worlds, and the previous unified civilization, it suddenly reminded me of how "A Winter Night's Lazzo" starts with Pierro holding the Gnoses on the chessboard and ends with him saying - "But, Rosalyne, I promise you... Your final resting place will be the entirety of the "Old World"..."

[@Xanxanaxa]

Theb there is hyperborea who cut thamself from the ambilicalcout of the world...

[@SandB]

I hope the Tsaritsa’s goal is to revive the Third Descender. Making a super weapon would be boring.

[@DusDusDus]

Arcon war Round 2 go!!!

[@Facto_Sapien10]

​@@DusDusDusthis doesn't have to do anything with archons

[@DusDusDus]

@@Facto_Sapien10 it was a joke

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

What exactly is the difference at this point. Day by day, we get a better idea of what these entities want and ultimately it's the same thi.. Hang on a minute.

[@AgentYellowWang]

big brain, now we will have 7 more character to pull for,

[@lexical450]

The Gnosis being made off of the body of the third descender, instantly made me think that he was killed. But with what happened to Focalors/Furina, i began to rethink that, since it's cannon now that you can separate someone's power/divinity without killing/destroying them completely. What if after having his powers usurped to make the Gnosis, he now just walks through Teyvat as a husk of his former self (until Pierro found him), a shell cladded in armor wandering and searching for revenge. I mean, he is referred to as "the strongest human" which could imply something more, or maybe i'm just crazy but as an official member of the tinfoil hat brigade, i must partake in the crack consumption. But if it's not him i would say maybe it's Nibelung, because if there is anyone with a "will to rival a entire world" it sure would be the extremely pissed off king of dragons. Another thing that makes me think that the third might still be alive somewhere, is because of the heart beat we hear when we attune to the very first Statue of the Seven, in Mondstadt at the beginning of the game.

[@jasons9663]

The best guess I've seen: When the primordial one (1st descender) came to teyvat it was ruled by the dragons. He summoned the shades (2nd descenders), including the heavenly principals, to seize teyvat from the dragons. Nibelung and the dragons were defeated. Nibelung then left teyvat to obtain the power of darkness to reclaim teyvat from the usurpers. The power he found outside teyvat rebirthed him and he was no longer of Teyvat and thus a descender when he returned. However he was again defeated and this time divided into the gnosis. Now the tsaritsa intends to defeat celestia and reclaim teyvat by gathering the gnosis by resurrecting Nibelung. The 9 halberds are the 7 gnosis, the abyss/darkness/aether (your brother), and light/lumine (you).

[@s.8462]

What about that fisher guy at Wangshu Inn? XD

[@kofabillion]

@@jasons9663 so there would be multiple 2nd descenders?

[@IkikuroKidenai]

That's not how it went​@@jasons9663

[@massimilianoreali4398]

​@@jasons9663i don't think that the shades can be counted as new descenders because they are howewer part of the first also its pretty impossible that the power of the abyss can give you the title of descender because is litterally the opposite of them and because the sovereign doesn't need the title of descender for being above fate itself a sovereign with full authority can alter fate just like celestia can do

[@squidonglitter2320]

I CANT BELIEVE THIS THEORY HAS COME FULL CIRCLE I think you are the one genshin theorist who continues to look back at the Shattered Halberd series with each new lore drop. It was thanks to that video is how stumbled upon your channel 💙

[@malucifer]

Interesting that they are 9 fragments. What if the fact that there are 7 is only because the other two were overwritten in irmisul? Nahida mentioned the only way to keep information from being overwritten by irminsul was to make them into stories or fairytales.

[@roozeveltfox]

I did wonder if there could also be something there with 9 vs 7, especially since a lot of people think or hope we'll get a quantum/imaginary added

[@sorax4957]

The light and abyss power?

[@mittenvonscrufflears7233]

Maybe the remaining two represent something from the light realm and the abyss realm? The elements created by Gnoses/visions are not the power that goes through the light realm, after all(think of it as processed food vs the light realm which is made completely natural)

[@foxlife37]

@@roozeveltfox Sudden crack theory here, but here's a random idea. The 9 realms / fragments could be something like, the 7 nations, Celestia, and Khaenri'ah? The abyss doesn't count since it's directly outside Tevyat. And, another random idea, people have guessed that Paimon is sort of a gnosis in a weird way, so what if there's the seven gnosis, Paimon, and someone else? I have no idea who that someone else could be, though.

[@sus6221]

maybe both twins are the remaining fragments, specially since they both wielded that power and have a dark and light outfit respectively

[@uribove]

With Abyssal and Kahnri'ahn alignment you still get 9 nations for 9 realms

[@swiirlee8670]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="345">5:45</a> since i always have zhongli on the brain i got instantly reminded of zhongli's hello voice line: "And you, Traveler? What name will you be signing on this contract?" It seems like a part of a conversation... I wonder if the traveler told him their real name. (Actually what even were the terms of THAT contract? And how canon are voicelines anyway lmao) <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="505">8:25</a> so i guess focalor's guillotine being a sword isn't just a sword of damocles reference :O swords are the best weapons when you need to kill god, noted <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="780">13:00</a> i'd like to present an alternate idea: the thought of the king of khaenri'ah naming himself or named by others after the primordial one seems like the exact sort of gutsy sacrilegious behavior i'd expect from them tbh. maybe the guy even went on some kind of ritual (hanging under the tree like in the myths) and obtained knowledge of (or knowledge that could rival that of) the primordial one. maybe the PO operates on fairytale rules and his name can be legitimately stolen somehow, and thats what king irmin did. i'm gonna be rotating so many ideas in my head. thanks for the lovely vid!

[@roozeveltfox]

1) i completely forgot about that, zhongli extra sus now 2) yeaahhh i feel like there's more to the indemnitium blade 3) I completely agree and think this is a fantastic interpretation of it. I just get really hung up on the fact that HP/Primo One already has like 50 million epithets, so it's more like wondering why Mr. Nine (who seems to be a modern author) uses that specific name. The name issue causes too much brainrot for me looking forward to more of your ideas and thaaaanks yeeewww!!

[@swiirlee8670]

@@roozeveltfox I'm joining you on the brainrot. I decided to look up if the number nine had any meaning in norse myths beyond the nine realms thing, and what do you know, Odin actually hung on that tree for nine nights. And more than that, he describes it as a "sacrifice of himself to himself" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1vam%C3%A1l#R%C3%BAnatal -- sorry for that mangled url lmao) I have no idea what this could possibly mean but it's a fascinating connection... or coincidence! Lol. But if this was intended, then Mr. Nine is himself a reference to that specific myth or deliberately invoking it. Well now I'm gonna slowly go through your other vids on this topic and everything else, it's so fun :D

[@hania264]

I think often about the thing about aether being a beast that could swallow the world and fishl's line about swallowing all dreams, it's as if aether is the head of oroboros, and khanreah, the dream yet to be dreamed is oroboros tail.

[@Lancierre]

i love your theory videos, you are always very thorough with reading the books and going over the information we've already been given and linking it with mythology and the characters we already know

[@bliblibloo8293]

actually I have another thing to add. during your video I was reminded of the story of ahriman and ahura mazda from zurvanism; "Zurvanism - a historical branch of Zoroastrianism that sought to theologically resolve a dilemma found in a mention of antithetical "twin spirits" in Yasna 30.3 - developed a notion that Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu (Ahriman) were twin brothers, with the former being the epitome of good and the latter being the epitome of evil. Upon realizing that twins were to be born, Zurvan resolved to grant the first-born sovereignty over creation. Ohrmuzd perceived Zurvan's decision, which he then communicated to his brother. Ahriman then preempted Ohrmuzd by ripping open the womb to emerge first. Reminded of the resolution to grant Ahriman sovereignty, Zurvan conceded, but limited kingship to a period of 9000 years, after which Ohrmuzd would rule for all eternity.  Eznik of Kolb also summarizes a myth in which Ahriman is said to have demonstrated an ability to create life by creating the peacock. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahriman Perhaps the first descender, the PO, isn't the first divine halberd aka the true king of the world. SO the second descender is the true first divine halberd, the rightful king of the world.

[@prognemesiss]

With everyone shocked about gnoses, im actually more curious about the archon statues and if their powers works similar...

[@ThatOneGanyuMain]

I've also wondered about that. Oculi means eyes, which reminds me of the term visions. Could these be the remnants of the powers of old vision bearers?

[@LeBornMajes]

​​@@ThatOneGanyuMainimagine oculis being the remains of former vision holders but I can be wrong because of kazuha's friend's vision still lighting up without an oculi being reduced by one >300+ dead vision holders in sumeru idk just a funny theory

[@noxmoonstone]

I really like your book analysis and how you know when to separate the things we've been told in the game from some speculations about future events. some lore crafters lack that skill, unfortunately. I'm really interested in whatever is going on with Mr. Nine's books & the parallels you've described. Hopefully they can be proven at least partly right in the future.

[@SomeoneSayOri]

obviously kaeya is the third descender

[@grosumihai3419]

the third descender is dead. so you're wrong

[@zukodude487987]

​@@grosumihai3419And i thought descender meant descending from space, but their definition in game is different so maybe Kaeya is only dead metaphorically.

[@b-trixangel198]

@@grosumihai3419 its... a joke

[@KoenSkySea]

Dain is the third descender. His divine self was split from his mortal self and turned into gnoseses while the mortal dain was cursed with immortality. Furina style.

[@fat4eyes]

No I'm the third Descender!

[@roozeveltfox]

CCs are up! notes: - i am aware that i pronounced asura wrong (will add anything here in the future)

[@bshthrasher]

The 3rd Descender could be the dragon Nibelung, Wei has made a video about it recently.

[@-Madluke-]

hey, I had a thought about the number of realms you know how the traveller is the fourth descender and there's a note in Fontaine that somewhat confirms that Tyevat is in a samsara cycle and that Tyevat is the fourth samsara. so perhaps the nine realms mentioned is because of the three previous cycles. The note is in one of two places if you haven't completed narzissenkreuz quest then it is right next to the waypoint to the big tower if you have finished the quest it's underwater in one of the side chambers on the tower

[@Saturday_Jones]

During a recent second play through, it surprised me that in (I think it was) Cyno’s story quest, both Cyno and Paimon refer to the traveler by their name.

[@Wolf-vy7et]

Wait what, when

[@Saturday_Jones]

@@Wolf-vy7et during Cynos story quest when they are first meeting the eremites in the desert while tracking the village keepers

[@Saturday_Jones]

@@Wolf-vy7et Baizhu’s story quest also uses the traveler's name. I just reached it on my second account.

[@AhmadAli-kv2ho]

I feel like everyone is forgetting about the night mother. she may be the 2nd descender that fatally wounded the primordial one

[@ThatOneGanyuMain]

Where can I read ingame about this night mother? Or is this just a Skyrim reference 💀

[@migle202]

But in 4.2 when revealing gnoses identity, skirk says both PO and Second who came teamed up for it.

[@AhmadAli-kv2ho]

@@ThatOneGanyuMain the tale of the pale princess and 6 pygmies

[@AhmadAli-kv2ho]

@@migle202 yeah, if the 2nd who came was the night mother that would be interesting cos why would they team up

[@migle202]

@@AhmadAli-kv2ho huh, kinda confused by what u mean. tho, since heavenly principles is (possibly) primordial one itself and theres heavenly sustainer (2nd who came, probs) they clearly on the same team im guessing. cuz ones the law, the other ones the enforcer of the law basically, so its kinda obvious theyd team up against the 3rd descender too

[@allyssxh]

aaah im so excited for this video, the world quests for 4.2 is crazy

[@dominicrodrigues2220]

7 archon's and the heavens(piemon) and void total 9??? traveler is collecting their power in elemental form

[@randomgkyo]

I think there being 9 realms makes a lot of sense when you consider the three we already know of. The Void and Human realm are straightforward enough for our question, but the Light Realm is supposed to be the realm of the elements. When white light refracts it turns into 7 colors, which is where the paralel with the 7 elements is coming from. So theoretically there could be one realm for each element, possibly the territories the elemental dragons ruled before they were usurped.

[@nthinparticular3345]

I was thinking a similar thing but 1 realm is the light realm, one is the void realm and the 7 realms make up the seven nations in the human realm.

[@sassyfrenchpotato]

That part about capitano, I don't think he's them, but I do think he will do what you said he was going to do in Natlan, his constellation is very likely to be the three nails in the fatui wheel of emblems, a symbol associated with Yee Sus, my other theory is that he is Caribert, when he took off his mask in the flashback he didn't died and now Capitano is a conscious Hilichurl without a mask, but HoYoVerse covered his face because they want to keep what a Hilichurl looks as a mistery until we fight Capitano... Just a thought, he's either that or a Vishap Man

[@massimilianoreali4398]

I hope that he is the bloodstained knight

[@AndrewsMobs]

Bloodstained Knight is dead. @@massimilianoreali4398

[@Orion_TheyThem]

The ley lines and constellations ARE connected. In that Parade of whatever event the Akademiya held, Other Layla mentions it to us when we're in the desert using her device. And says Layla is on the verge of a breakthrough about it and doesn't even know it.

[@DNSchank]

Losing your mind. Oh, I can relate to that at the end. You´re funny.

[@mittenvonscrufflears7233]

Theres a theory video that Da Wei made that explains what most likely Descender's remains they use to create the Gnoses. Also, I may be mistaken, but in one of Nuevillettes voicelines that he mentions in the video talk about the Third Descender's remains specifically being used. But we all know the truth... It was Kaeya's other pigtail

[@4NSW3RM3]

Coming off a video from My Name For Now to this, I really want some of the lore theorists to come together to do Michelin 5 Star level cooking.

[@Ottobon]

Wait I remember you. I need to catch up on Genshin and fear this may be too many spoilers but your content was excellent. Added to my watch later, I'll let it play on phone for algo bump and check back later

[@flop_for_life]

Tbh the last thing about capitano kinda made sense

[@frenchie2580]

Awesome video again! Please don't descend any further into madness. Your content is too good to lose.

[@moonchildinthesky]

came directly (albeit belatedly) from Ashikai's recent stream and may I just say: 🤯

[@Negolossauro]

we must also consider books that use metaphor and parable are more reliable than books that describes precisally what really happened, because the metaphors and parables don't suffer with the irminsul changes

[@rzero21]

Nice! A video that doesn't make a reference to Before Sun and Moon! That book was or is still so relevant that it is brought in almost every single theory video everywhere. Now, just wanted to comment that it seems quite a strong argument that any reference to actual happenings pass the Irminsul filter check (or the Celestia filter check) by either becoming a fable or by getting hidden beyond its reach by normal means (aka buried in Enkanomiya)

[@cherico94]

Oh boy! Time to strap in and watch this roller coaster 😎

[@bliblibloo8293]

Great video as always! I am also malding about who Irmin (i love you irmin) is exactly-- I am expecting we will get a proper lore scare about that whenever dain comes back. I think maybe Mr.Nine meant to suggest, as you said, that Irmin is a descender (likely the second). But the thing is that in before sun and moon there is confusion between the first and second descenders. and you can also see in hadramaveth ruins that deshret's people made a mural where deshret eye replaces celestia. So it's not so crazy to assume that at some point in time, the people were confused on who exactly was the PO.

[@tofu1160]

the opening to this theory is a banger everything suddenly just connected in my head at the <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="120">2:00</a> mark even before roozevelt started theorizing

[@noblejiejie4667]

this is the first video from your chanel that I watched, so I'm not sure if you know about it, but there seems to be a interesting inspiration hoyo took from the gnosticism (a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects. As defined by Wikipedia) such as the gnosis, archons, pneuma and some others. I was reading a bit about it and made some interesting parallels with Genshin's lore. This video has such a good quality, I'm sure I'll watch more of your theories!

[@AppleNorris]

There are 7 elements in Teyvat, but we also know of two other energies - the ones that are used by Abyss and Celestia. In Honkai there are two elements that are reacting only to each other - Imaginary and Quanta. But really it is just one element, just different polarities of it. Imaginary tree, embodiment of human knowledge, spreads it roots through the Sea of Quanta. Isn't it an Irminsul?

[@V1_SkyRunner]

ALMOST 10K SUBS CONGRATSSS

[@rbpoke3604]

Omg when u mentioned asuras i remembered a transalted text from the legend of saha, a game that genshin is most likely probably based off of with lots of evidence to support From Legend of Saha: "Misei Nanatsuki is me. A sense of existence flow into my body. The thing sealed in the tower, is part of my soul with the memory attach to it. I was the Asura before, because of the mistaken fate, my soul was sealed by Maysolver, and divided into 13 parts, scattered in the heaven, so I should not be reborn forever. However, I had a powerful vow, by 500 years time, I gathered the physical body again, finally returned under the Sumeru mountain. To solve the mystery of my past life, I must collect all the 13 parts of my soul."

[@roozeveltfox]

whoa!!!

[@rbpoke3604]

Everyone says the cataclysm was 500 years ago but because of furina's archon quest if u calculate how many years passed you get 499.32 years since the cataclysm with egeria's death and focalor's godhood and furina's masquerade. Whoever genshins saha is could be recollecting they're soul (the gnoses) = memories, who has memory loss and is travelling?

[@swordfish949]

A video WITH illustrations?! Aight, you sold me

[@shina779]

I Gnosis, you gnosis, everybody gnosis

[@keroberusr.9687]

Your comment about Sailor Moon really hits home 😂❤

[@EliBruscella]

The words ''Prinzessin'' an ''Nazissenkrueuz'' both have a resamblence that just gave me the chills. They sound alike like a same languge and remember the void and the main colors with Fischl. I think you're not that far and OMG, she must be actually a real princess pretending she lost her mind just to hide her real identity!

[@amandastarkes]

I actually really like the theory that Capitano could be the third descender! It would help push the narrative forward even more, and give more credence to the actions of the Fatui. Then again, maybe I just want a Fullmetal Alchemist reference in Genshin Impact. 😅

[@Izyume]

There's another good theory about how the great dragon nibelung (the second who came) is the third descender. Because he left Teyvat and became something new, to then return. The primordial one knew they could never truly kill him, so they split his corpse into the seven gnosis. And the Tsaritsa is collecting the seven gnosis to revive Nibelung.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

​@@Izyumeit doesn't work that way something can't become a descender or you are born as one or you aren't and the power of the abyss is the only thing that nibelung interacted but that thing can't make you a descender because is their litteral opposite

[@Izyume]

@massimilianoreali4398 Trying to understand what your comment means. If you're stating you are "born a descender" You're not. If you're stating you have to not at all be "born in Teyvat" That's not true either. In order to be a Descender you must be attuned to every element. Have a will to change/destroy the world, And descend upon Teyvat. Nibelung does align to all these.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

@@Izyume the fact that the gnosis and the traveller have both power on the element could be howewer a coincidence it was never stated that having power on the element define a descender and than this would make nibelung the first descender because he was on teyvat before the primordial one but this contradict the lore

[@massimilianoreali4398]

@@Izyume howewer for having the power to reshape a world you must be born with that power the traveller didn't obtained the title of descender he already was one and so the primordial one

[@arwinv9005]

i just found your youtube channel and i really really am enjoying your videos ❤,👍

[@josephgonzalez1667]

This was my first time watching but wow, I really enjoyed that!

[@luisg822]

ITS POSSIBLE DAINSLIEF DOES NOT HAVE THE REAL EYE OF THE FIRST FIELD TILLER !! During a quest in sumeru, the traveler and an academia researcher go to an appraiser in search of an item but the appraiser showes us something else instead, thinking its what we were looking for. They claim that its the ruin core from the ruin guard ontop of stormterrors lair, siting the battle scars all around it from its fight with the great wolf of mondstat. Does that mean this is genuine? When we saw the eye of the first field tiller at the end of the dainslief quest we see no claw marks around it, does that mean it was switched out? How did it end up in the posession of the appraiser, does dainslief know he does not have the real eye of the first field tiller ? Are the ruin gaurd core and the eye of the first field tiller not the same thing? Paimon was the one that asked if dainslief could have a fake, i feel like this is something that was just glossed over considering the quest isnt voice acted. Could someone please tell me what you think of this.

[@renapundarika2135]

Never did I compare capitano with alphonse elric but that thought will never leave my mind until natlan thanks to you. What if somebody will unite the 7 gnoses using alchemy to bring capitano's body back as an equivalent exchange with... idk. A leg? Shall we watch out for future character with a metal arm and a metal leg? Idk man I just love FMAB and genshin.

[@Yawnz2]

So many connections...its like the more we learn the more questions there are

[@spiderbeef23]

WAIT HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT MY SMOKE DETECTOR

[@TheGeekyRedMage]

And we're back to the Shattered Halberd. lmao But seriously though, nice video all around to circle back on this book after revelations and new info in the 4.2 patch quests. I do think despite you having your brain meltdown trying to parse through the inconsistencies with comparing the fairytale story to the Descenders and the Gnoses, you're theories has merit. The thing with the fairytales within the world of Teyvat and how at least some are used as allegorical tales on past histories is how far the deviation from the the true history can be made ig. The current Thexlie(?) event I do think gives us an indication of how far the allegory in fairytales can be taken in some form since-- (spoilers for the event) --we basically witness the mother turning her story with her child into a fairytale. (And interestingly enough see how such a creation seems to then affect "reality"? Not sure how literal we should take that though at this moment.) I think we can safely say at least that the allegorical fairytales are not going to be one-to-one with the actual history, and probably because these histories needs to be "hidden" for one reason or another. But as for why the inconsistencies in specific are happening...? I honestly have no clue, though your theory about Mr. Nine cobbling together a number of historic events together does hold water. All in all, these aspects of Genshin's story I do really love cause it's an interesting exploration of the real life process of recording histories, and more relevant in this case, the erasure of history and how people try to retain records despite such actions, though filtered through towards a high fantasy/soft scifi(?) setting of course.

[@bangtanssera]

I got a kayo constellation from pulling on standard, I think that is a sign I need to watch your video

[@ayoubsaddek5179]

So if you combine this theory with ashika's about the third descender being a star....then you've got yourself a full story....amazing

[@SkyeMueller]

The bringing back a piece of beyond the sky might be a stellaron

[@Negolossauro]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="557">9:17</a> Recently i saw a theory where the second who came were actually the 4 Shining Shades of the Primordial One, and i thought ridiculously obvious it's not possible because it's literally said in "Before the Sun and Moon" they were created by the Primordial One to fight agains the Dragon Sovereigns in the war before the creation of Teyvat, so, they can't be those who came after, but................ now, with those things you said in mind, it starts to make sense. Because with this, the new details of what is considered a descender, the information that Narzissenkreuz tried to become a descender, and the fact that the Dragon King Nibelung probably became a descender, why can not the 4 or one of the 4 Shining Shades have become a descender and fight against the Primordial One just like in that book?

[@kasuha]

Whenever anyone starts drawing any conclusions from the name similarity between Irminsul and King Irmin, I remember that in the original, they don't read anywhere close. They're 世界树 (Shìjièshù) and 伊尔明 (Yī'ěrmíng), respectively. I still struggle finding the reason why the tree is called Irminsul, though, as the best fitting translation from the original would be Yggdrasil. So maybe there's something behind it in the end but there's certainly zero name similarity for any chinese, japanese, or korean player.

[@roozeveltfox]

Regardless of translation they're clearly going for an Odin-Yggdrasil thing with King Irmin and the world tree.

[@camille9675]

One thing about the traveller's name (idk how relevant this could even be): there is, to my knowledge, one version of the game, where the abyss sibling doesn't say the traveller's name in front of paimon and dainsleif. In the chinese version with aether as the traveller, Lumine only ever calls him 哥哥(gēgē = big brother), so his real name stays unknown to everyone else. Maybe it's the same for the korean version (japanese version uses the names), i didn't check

[@Necrochaosium]

It's still interesting that the second who came brought "illusions that broke through shackles", shackles being the limitation of perception and reality. We know how elynas, durin, the melusine and likely rift hounds all have very altered perceptions and these are clearly linked to the abyss. (and also the zone inside the book of esoteric revelations). We know the "sinner" effectively gave rise to the abyss order via clothar as his proxy and likely directly influenced the "abyss sibling" to follow his path. Genshin seems to be showing us MANY players in the play, skirk revealing the names of some: verdofnir, surtologi, and rhinedotter which all seem to be seeking their own "perfection" through creation (maybe all using abyssal powers to do so) The abyss seems very dangerous though and they're likely to get contaminated or go insane even playing with it's powers.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

With gold we already knew that she was obsessed with the idea of perfection look at how many "bedos" she created

[@pontoancora]

The Four Descenders and their roles Create - Phanes, the Primordial one Sustain - Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles, the second who came Destroy - Nibelung, the Dragon King Protect - Traveler, the Rising Star

[@cassandrawasright1481]

You know, I had a very similar thought yesterday. "What if Irminsul, too, is the remains of a Descender? Like Irmin from the Shattered Halberd? After all, it is a "will" that can reshape an entire world, like a Descender is supposed to be. But wouldn't that mean that the other Halberds are also Descenders, not Shades like I previously thought?" But I didn't put it together with the Gnosis reveal yet. I'm just realizing that, way back in Fischl's GAA storyline, I actually came up with the same idea of the Halberds as Descenders(though at that point, we didn't have the term and just knew of the Primordial One and the Second Who Came) and then immediately discarded it because I was too attached to the Shades idea and I dismissed that storyline as Fischl's fan fiction.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

Irminsul can't change fate alter only memories

[@aibouuu4255]

About the Identity of the 3rd descender...I think you should check out the theories that Childe might be the 3rd Descender's reincarnation, bc of the ajax tale from the Ballad of Fjord, also the prince from the pale princess, his corpse was described as a "stars corpse", the death of the light prince might be a metaphor for the archons getting their powers and authority from their gnosis which is the corpse of the 3rd descender. (more details I forgot to include are in twt yall can search it its pretty detailed) Also, Childe has been associated or maybe even referred with stars at least 3 times so far; 1.Liyue AQ title "A new star approaches" 2.His BiS being the "Polar Star" 3. Fontaine AQ "To the Stars in the Shining Depths" (who else was floating, chilling in the deep sea that time lmao) Also the number 3 has so many nod to Childe aside from 11; the 3rd son of the Family, he trained 3 months in the abyss even tho its just 3 days in Teyvat time, he is the 3rd banner(lol), the only weekly boss that has 3 phases so far, he has 3 names... This may be a reach but so far Childe hasnt touched a Gnosis.....maybe bc something may happen to him is he were to touch one bc he is the reincarnation of the 3rd? Gnosis is from the corpse of the 3rd des after all... Now its theorized that the Tsaritsa is planning to revive the 3rd descender using the Gnoses, maybe thats where theyre gonna use childe, the 3rd des reincarnation to battle Celestia?? Whats super sus is that, if all of those theories come true, Childes line "I'll crush the thrones of gods beneath my heal, i'll conquer the world" makes so much sense now.

[@SwobyJ]

There's some playable characters that have more protagonist energy (or at least lore hints) than others, and Ajax/Tart/Childe is very much on the upper end, and not just because of the memes.

[@xXzman9000Xx]

its weird that the name irmin pops up in so many places, and possibly referring to or linked to many different, some times even opposed characters. i wonder if the name has more meaning then we realize. like for example, if you had to pick a name that you didn't want erased by irminsul.... what if you named your self after irminsul? could irminsul erase its self? like it makes me wonder, we know other ways of preventing lost information other then obfuscation, like things written on stone, since the physical world doesn't change, and the consequences can't be changed... but what about memories that can't be changed or afford to be lost? is there something like that? could you link your self so closely to a super important fundamental concept of the world that you can't be erased?

[@roozeveltfox]

hmmm this would be interesting. although (as many people have pointed out to me) in CN the tree ISN'T called irminsul, although irmin is still irmin in CN. but this still makes me wonder, if like you said, the concept is more important? because they're still IMHO going for an odin-yggdrasil relationship, and yggdrasil is still literally named for one of odin's many names. but also odd that in hidden strife, the kaeya-notes we find SPECIFICALLY say that the alberich clan doesn't keep written records.... so that makes this extra-sussy. really interesting thoughts here. this is going to slowcook in the back of my head!!!

[@xXzman9000Xx]

@@roozeveltfox well i'm glad my random thought seems interesting

[@roozeveltfox]

@@xXzman9000Xx more than interesting - it's a foundational question about how irminsul works!!!

[@S-Ace]

Capitano being the 3rd descender would go hard

[@Schnubi]

Maybe the third descender is the friends we made along the way ❤️

[@captaindanger13]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="992">16:32</a> i like how kaeya turns his head to face us when you say "or am i"

[@user-ii1vx4ym7l]

If only humans realized how connected it is to their world

[@Peabnub_Bubber]

At the very least this is a hell of a lot more coherent than my mental state

[@roozeveltfox]

this is me at the best of times so…. relatable

[@charlieh4607]

i personally believe that capitano is mister nine getting piloted around by the hair remy ratatouille-style

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Early! Too bad it's night here. I'll watch tomorrow

[@Izyume]

There's a really good theory out there about how Nibelung (the second who came) is the Third descender. Because he left Teyvat and became "something new" to then return and Battle the Primordial one. And Thanes knew they could not truly kill Nibelung, so they split his corpse into the seven Gnosis to keep him permanently trapped. But the Tsarista is collecting the seven Gnosis to revive Nibelung

[@IkikuroKidenai]

Nibelung is not the second descender, he was one of the seven dragons sovereigns. The Dragon king. And he obtained the forbidden knowledge somewhere between the first and the second usurper. Once the war of vengeance ended, they tore the third descender apart and made the gnoses. So Nibelung has no way of being the second nor the third descender.

[@Izyume]

@IkikuroKidenai The shining shades, the Sustainer of heavenly Principles, are the second descenders. I never mentioned Nibelung being the second descender. Now, the term "no way he can be" isn't true. If Genshin wanted to write it that way, they could. Now it's probably untrue, But there is still the chance he could be. Because in his lore, he does leave Teyvat to then return. He could be the second who came, and we know the second who came is the third descender, whoever that may be.

[@IkikuroKidenai]

@@Izyume The 4 shades aren't the second descender. Because they were created before and during the first war against the dragons. "Then the second throne of the heavens came, and war was made anew, as it was in the world's creation" - Before Sun and Moon. The second descender is probably the sustainer of heavenly principles, but not one of the four shades of Phanes. The second throne of the heavens is the second descender. The second who came and the King Usurper tore the third descender apart and made the gnoses. How can the second who came and the third descender be the same? Do you not see the flaws in this logic?

[@Izyume]

@IkikuroKidenai The king usurper and the Second who came didn't tear apart the third descender. The king usurper and "the one who came after." Tore apart the third descender. If another "being(s) of light" arrived on Teyvat but Thanes' light was greater, he could have (again speculation) imprisoned these other beings of light casting a Shade upon them. Making them them a "Shining Shade." And making them the sustainer of heavenly Principles. Then, they fight Nibelung, forcing him to leave Teyvat, becoming something new, would have him check every box needed to be "a descender." All who descend are not descenders. You must be compatible with every element, as well as have a will that changes/destroys the world. Now, I'm only gonna say this as the last thing. You're probably right, as stated these ideas are just theories. Interesting to think on, They're probably wrong but Don't be so closed minded to throw everything out the window. And no offense, the fact you couldn't read my first comment correctly. Or the line about Thanes and those who came after correctly. Brings doubt to your lore reading and fact. Take the time to read, and look into other ideas, it'll open up a lot for you.

[@IkikuroKidenai]

@@Izyume the one who came after has always been referred to as the second who came. Because if we are the fourth descender and arrived after the third descender, the one who came after can't have been anyone but the second descender. Also, the PO is Phanes, not Thanes, also you're mixing the chronological events! 1st fight: PO against the Sovereigns. Second fight: Nibelung has acquired the Forbidden knowledge→ war of vengeance. PO damaged by the war of vengeance→tears apart the third descender together with the one who came after. Third war: archon war.

[@Kaikouken1]

not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the Sword of Descension (PS4 exclusive weapon) seems even more fascinating now than before, knowing all the holy blade stuff and how Irminsul's data can be modified using fiction and fantasy to an extent

[@kiyomi_kamimoto]

THE FCK WAIT CAPITANO MAKES SO MUCH SENSE WHAT

[@jmeow]

did I hallucinate that outro?

[@Mishri2005]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="993">16:33</a> remind me when capitano is revealed to be the 3rd descender

[@swhitjose9588]

the gnosis remember me of the anime no game no life, that has something similar as chess pieces that are in possesion of powerful persons and defeating them u get their chess piece and after you get them all you can challenge God for a chess game and possible become god crazy

[@paulapanizzon8900]

I now accept the FACT that Capitano is the Third Descender

[@aloysiusdevadanderabercrombie8]

i'm so high and this is blowing my fucking mind

[@rdpsysium7340]

If we add the number of views + plus the number of likes + the number of comments, maybe that will retrieve the number of roozevelt's braincells dissolved in the Primordial Sea (of lore). Thank you for sacrificing your sanity for us!

[@rainmire]

Serena Videl Lunartemis is my oshi

[@lakitaharry9715]

What do you think of My Name For Now's latest video stating that Dain is the 3rd descender?

[@rauru8570]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="956">15:56</a> In 2027 we will confirm that King Irmin was in fact Baguette the dog all along, but let it be known it was theorized here first!

[@roozeveltfox]

thank u 4 recognizing me as a visionary

[@davidsabillon5182]

Like commented and subscribed 👍

[@CesarK9]

Capitano 3 rd descender sounds like it would be such a twist 😂 but I would love it .

[@rcruzcarvalho]

Eidolons from Honkai Star Rail... They are fragments of the Character that increase their power as we get more... Sounds familiar? 😉 Great video!

[@ajergely6230]

Alphonse Elric was the first person i thought of when i saw Capitano back then on the 4th of August 2022. Maybe it wasnt that much of a stretch after all ?

[@hania264]

I unironically think aether himself could be the third descender, like thinking back to the parable of the tree, it's said that the primordial one wanted the king gardener's tree to mend the beams in his pavillion, a bit like how celestia needed the gnosis to anchor in their authority after the second war. And we know istaroth helped the gardener "keep" his tree throu a branch, that branch or that new tree was then the traveler ending up at teyvat in the begining of our journery. This also explains why would the heavenly principals just randomly dump us somewhere when they obviously had yhe upper hand in that clash- It's a bit fargetched but until more is revealed about descenders imma hold onto this thought.

[@roozeveltfox]

I have't run into this idea before and it seems nuts, but you know what? It itches at my brain. We've yet to revisit the themes of Istaroth and what happened during that quest so. That parable and Ei's SQ2 are important. I, too, desperately need more info. (and will also keep this comment in my pocket loool)

[@vnolwen_art]

Didn't Nahida say that Traveler is the fourth one ? I may be misremembering something, but I was pretty sur it was already established as the fourth

[@roozeveltfox]

@@vnolwen_art Yes, Traveler is the 4th, but I'm lost in the sauce rn

[@hania264]

@@vnolwen_art I think what I meant was that he's both the third descender ( the tree) and the forth descender ( the branch)

[@hania264]

@@roozeveltfox I know it's doesn't fit well with the rest of what's unraveling currently but I really think there's more to the parable of the tree, and most importantly there's more to the siblings being held out from leaving teyvat, cuz they seemed to be through with their journey when the sustainer stopped them and they themselves looked quite surprised as if they weren't expecting a confrontation. I keep thinking the purpose was capturing them to get power to mend the heavenly principals authority, just like in the parable the king needs to mend his pavillion with the tree. Which is sorta accurate with the nature of the gnosis being revealed

[@kareemmohammed5658]

I came across a couple of theories indicating that the 3rd descender is nibuleng It was very good tbh

[@Keiki-kun]

I stopped trying to understand the secrets of the Honkaiverse a long time ago, it's too much information for my little head But then I see a video like yours that gives me more questions than answers and I end up going crazy

[@crimsonmoon123]

It's all adding up in my mind, let me cook a bit 😂 (I'm gonna call descender as D cuz oh boi I've mentioned this word so many times) When the first and second D took over Teyvat by defeating the 7 dragon sovereigns they were left with basically only weak dragons to rule, they need a population or civilization of sorts to make their newly conquered world functional. This is where the 3rd D comes in. D is someone who has a strong will to change the fate of the world (possibly by changing the way the world functions and laying out new "laws" cuz lol Teyvat has it's own "laws"). The 3rd D was made or summoned by the God King i.e the heavenly principles making them the "1st Divine Halberd". 3rd D makes a mechanism for the newfound world and uses it to connect all the 9 realms(7 nations+ light realm enka+ void realm abyss). If we assume King Irmin as 3rd D then it means he creates Irminsul (axis mundi) to connect all 9 realms thus the link to his name. 3rd D eventually descends into madness by overusing his powers(or maybe he got cursed idk lol) and thus Celestia decides to eliminate him and separate his remains into 7 parts or "gnoses" (thus gnoses are remains of the 3rd D as well as shattered halberds). Celestia hands over the 7 gnoses to the victors of archon war. The 3rd D knows the true nature of this world (cuz he basically gave the "laws" ie irminsul) and thus creates (or summons) the last 2 peices of himself(making them shattered halberds as well) to collect all his remnants to save the world from the mistake he did by making irminsul(which probably is a perpetual samsara simulator??). So 7 gnoses(made by celestia)+2 shattered halberds(made by 3rd D himself) make a total of 9 shattered halberds !!! This is also consistent with some halberds being sentient (sibling+traveler). The last halberds(traveler+sibling) are indeed divine (cuz they are halberds) and thus no one really knows their true name AND the traveler happens to have enough "will" to change the fate of the world and thus gets classified as the 4th D. Lmao I'm sorry for any inconsistencies which you may have noticed but there's just too much to unfold. 😂

[@supersillybry]

i didn’t even watch the video yet so idk if u said this but my theory was that our “real” sibling is the 3rd descender and died but was like remade or something idk i think it would be cool

[@salmonettechan]

LET ROOZE COOK!!🔥🔥🔥 I swear I want to know just on what kind of stuff mister Nine was on when making these books. One thing is for certain tho, he's cooking something big for us.... or maybe he's just a silly little guy😭 THE CAPITANO BIT AT THE END???? I SEE YOU 👀 At this point I'd like to add to Irmin's possible identities Mr.Nine himself, and the name 'Nine' itself represents the ninth realm OR sword Anyways,,, psssss, Wonderful video as always!!!💞 It was a BLAST!!! (no worries the smoke detectors are on)

[@stonedmazes2587]

Maybe the nine realms refer to the elements. 7 known elements/nations plus two unknown ones (light and void, quantum and imaginary)

[@MrsFoolforlove]

So here’s the thing: I don’t have a smoke detector. Please advise on how to check batteries 😳

[@joeyvargas8301]

Maybe the reason the book has all of these themes mixed together. Asura coming from Jotunheim, and it all taking place in Liyue is because he’s trying to hint at the unified civilization. The questline reveals that Fables can only contain the information if it’s well hidden. If it’s too obvious it won’t work.

[@raj3ndra]

LORE TIME THE LORE 🗣️💯🔥🔥

[@soemarnosoemarno2822]

Imagine if Mr. Nine is actually the primordial one or one of the shades lol

[@attakalinda4287]

i lost it starting the moment you say "capitano is the third descender" 💀