A Breakdown of CinemaSins: Everything Wrong With Avengers: Infinity War (Part Six)

[@BluenosedCash75]

Every time I finish a rewatch of this series I understand how Woody felt when Pete tells him they cancelled Woody’s Roundup before the finale aired.

[@Toa_Va]

This series's fate reminds me of bionicle, and how it was canceled right after they planned to make two more movies, and then we practically never got anymore mainstream bionicle media after that and now I'm sad again because bionicle fuckin slapped

[@artyb27]

Just finished watching for the first time, not realising it was never finished 😔 did Jay ever address why?

[@j3d1m1ndtr1ck5]

@@artyb27 probably the dr who video

[@therealxoc]

2039 or Bust

[@rebeccahempleman]

Legend has it Jay’s still working on part 7 to this day...

[@starcycle4308]

Even legend has forgotten about this

[@an-animal-lover]

Twenty twenty-twooooooooooooooooo

[@davidbasil1451]

@@an-animal-loverwell

[@an-animal-lover]

@@davidbasil1451 Twenty threeeeeeee

[@jasminejacob1870]

The lack of conclusion is just aaah

[@TheAdvertisement]

Jay: *reaches sin 99 Me: *We’re in the Endgame now.*

[@Skypost4ever]

We haven't even reached that part yet.

[@happynihilist2573]

NO!! We're STILL in the MIDDLE!!!

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Cinema Sins haven't done an Endgame video yet, so there's nothing to base an "Everything Wrong With Everything Wrong With" video on it.

[@TheAdvertisement]

NoneOfYour Beeswax Congradulations! You completely missed the joke!

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

@@TheAdvertisement Well whoever was making the joke missed the funny bit. You see Ima bit slow and being funny is the only way I can tell if something is a joke ;)

[@SullySideUp]

"part 7 might come out eventually" Part 7 did not, in fact, come out eventually

[@kendrajade6688]

Has there been an announcement that he's not making it or has just so much time passed that like... no?

[@rnpola9408]

he did say that it would come out sometime before 2039 so he's still got time

[@marmelade8331]

​@@rnpola9408very true

[@IHMyself]

Nope... 😑😂

[@sctmcg]

ding

[@kendrajade6688]

28:00 We know that Thor didn't help make the hammer because Hela used to wield it, as seen on the stained glass ceiling depicting her and Odin's conquest. This was at a time when Thor wasn't born.

[@Skypost4ever]

I guess Odin enchanted the hammer after Thor was born.

[@kendrajade6688]

@@Skypost4ever He enchanted it in Thor 1, onscreen. The Worthy clause was added at that point.

[@dvader518]

Also, if Thor was a kid after the battle with the Frost Giants in Norway, how is there mythology about Thor?

[@felynecomrade]

@@dvader518 Presumably because he visited Earth/Midgard a whole bunch of times and kicked a whole lot of ass between the time we see him as a kid and his intertupted coronation day. It's pretty clear in the first Thor movie that he's an extremely accomplished warrior, so it's not as of he lived his whole life in Asgard before we see him recklessly rushing off to Jotenheim.

[@Skypost4ever]

@@kendrajade6688 you right, I forgot about that.

[@AresAlpha]

Sin 90: Neither you or Jeremy have heard of a parley. An age old tactic where the two sides establish terms of the battle. In this case, the children of Thanos will kill everyone and take the stone.

[@PassiveSnack]

So basically, it serves no purpose in this scenario, I guess.

[@elazarsinger4187]

and also, a chance to ask for surrender. Just in case.

[@matthewmuir8884]

Good point. To add to it, it seemed obvious to me that Cap and Black Panther both like to show their enemies mercy wherever possible; in this case, giving them one more chance to walk away.

[@ukaszrynkowski178]

Also it gives time for corvus to get where he needs to be

[@suedenim]

Often it indeed doesn't serve much purpose, but it's tradition and a last chance to see whether the battle can be avoided somehow. Often deception about the two sides' relative strength occurs, as with the Corvus Glaive business.

[@Spock149]

Top 10 most anticipated movies of 2019: Jay Exci's Cinemasins Infinity war breakdown

[@Skypost4ever]

Bump that up to 2020

[@cboylan330]

@@Skypost4ever u stole my comment

[@EternalDensity]

I mean, I wasn't anticipating 10 movies this year so something's got to fill those spaces.

[@Zoroark_Master]

Part6

[@crazyolben_]

Bump that up to 2021

[@IFledFromKansas]

Just rewatched all of these. The real part seven was the friends we made along the way.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

CinemaSins: *I am inevitable...* Jay Exci: *And I... Am... Feeling some type of way...*

[@Tree_-wp5zn]

Geode

[@asgardianforge]

Vision bat

[@bigclay8479]

I think you mean Jay Exci: And I... Am... Jay Exci.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Big Clay Well yes, but actually Y E S

[@leifhelland6313]

@@bigclay8479 thanks for playing along.

[@ziggyoickle3445]

"After society has collapsed" Well, I'm just binging youtube while playing minecraft under quarantine. The future is like the past, except you have to stay inside instead of just choosing to.

[@windwaker105]

Jay you favorited this comment. So you do know you have these videos to complete

[@starcycle4308]

Rip this person's past self who didn't know we'd still be living like this in 2 years

[@loganscott814]

Who knows? By 2039, they might start making everything wrong with endgame.

[@stigmaoftherose]

I doubt they will even bother pointing out all the issues in that movie. It's almost as poorly constructed as TLJ.

[@TheOneAvocado]

stigma of the rose while I do agree with you in some ways, I think it’s just a fun film to kinda switch off and watch it, you know?

[@AJ69238]

@@stigmaoftherose dude, WHAT

[@francisariwaodo318]

@@AJ69238 He can't spell bother, he's not worth it.

[@gracekim1998]

stigma of the rose *long sigh* please leave the Internet

[@williamthompson5988]

28:15 actually, it would be impossible for Thor to have helped create Mjolnir. Hela used it and Thor didn't even know she existed. It is heavily implied that Hela was banished before Thor was born, or at least before he could remember anything

[@ShadowKamehameha32]

Hela was around back when Odin had two eyes, so way before the battle of Jotunheim, therefore way before Thor was born

[@toffeefeathers]

I think T’challa’s decision was pretty reasonable, especially considering they have people like War Machine who can go ham on the one spot they’re all going through, to get a lot of them all at once. Also, the Wakandan armies aren’t infinite, they might not want to spread their army too thin

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

Yes, the problem is that they didn't have a big weapon besides war machine to stop the army, so the Outriders would all spread again. But, considering that Black Order's objective was not conquer Wakanda, but just get into the lab and take Vision, the best option was make the army concentrate where they could see them

[@lacari0805]

Also they probably didn’t have room for lots of heroes or soldiers around/near vision as it was in the city centre, plus actively moving the battle or part of it really close to vision means there’s a chance his building or even room could be affected by the battle and disrupt his stone stuff. Plus having the line of defence at the furthest point from vision means if anyone does get through the good army they’re clearly seen and it takes time before they actually get to vision giving t(e good guys time to stop them

[@themagicpencilanimations192]

Yeah, but they have flying ships. Just put vision and shuri in one of those, and then you only have to deal with crocodile daddy and female daddy

[@dracocrusher]

I mean, this is right outside of the city, right? It makes a lot of sense that they wouldn't want to really have to fight these guys INSIDE the town because if they won then there'd be a lot of meaningless death and destruction. It's a tough call, but it makes way more sense to thin their numbers out as much as they can and then mop up the remains afterwards. Considering how many guys they're facing, they're able to hold rank REALLY well like this, I think. Should they have had more people protecting Vision himself? Sure. But that's a bit different from the force in the battle at the moment who were there to actively keep the enemy from getting to him to begin with. Although all of this ignores the way bigger issue! Because if these guys can control when the shield is up or down in that area, then what's stopping them from letting a few guys through and then trying to lower the shield again to keep Thanos's forces coming in more manageable waves? I don't know how well it would have worked, but it'd be way easier than the alternative of just never trying to re-close the shield and facing a constant flow of enemies.

[@haze5420]

I think it’s weirder that the enemy takes the bait hook line and sinker. Surely they could have seen they wanted them to commit all their army to that choke point.

[@RicochetII]

Sin 89: How sure are we that these vehicles are intended as mass troop transporters and not simply being re-purposed as them in an emergency? Wakanda would have had little need to move troops quickly before this since they have rarely been attacked and it would explain the many apparent design flaws.

[@StupidWeb]

Fair enough, actually

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

Thats was accually my point too. You could assume that these are not soldier transport "boats", but rather cargo transport "boats" that were quickly used to transport the Wakandan Army, because they had nothing else more suited at the time. That would explain why the area is quite small and why the anti-gravity motors take up the space that they do: In order to be able to transport heavy loads from A to B. For example gallons of rhino milk!

[@commandercorner5575]

Not a bad point, but counterpoint: because Wakanda and magic metal plot armor.

[@Novur]

Additionally, when it zooms in on the bird's eye view of the troops jumping out, you can CLEARLY SEE HANDRAILS running along the outside of the standing area, with another rail in the centre. You could pack troops in 8 abreast and they'd all still be able to reach rails (one troop standing directly next to a rail, the one next to that troop reaching behind their back to reach the same rail; two to a rail both for the outside rail and inside rail on both sides, makes up eight), and I think that being able to maintain your footing on a bumpy ride with only one handhold is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect of elite warriors, considering that millions of bus commuters of every variety do it every day

[@drake1360]

The real question is why they didn't use the transports that Killmonger was going to use for transporting a shit ton of weapons around the world as personnel carriers, since they would likely have been better for the task. It's not like they couldn't carry people.

[@rmsgrey]

My comments: Sin 90: There's a long-standing tradition of military commanders meeting to have a chat before kicking off hostilities. Or sportsball captains, for that matter. There are a number of possible reasons to do so - it lets you size up your opponent in person (which can help with understanding and anticipating their strategies); it offers both sides an opportunity to agree/modify the RoE; it avoids any accusations of sneak attacks; it buys a bit more time before people start dying; it offers a last chance to surrender... Not all of those apply to this situation, but it's a strong enough tradition to be the "done thing" even at times when it doesn't serve much purpose... Sin 94: So, option A is to get the enemy to confront your army where you can bring all your forces to bear, on a pretty good battlefield, like they did in the movie. What's option B, exactly? Pack up the army and ship them back to the city, where they're surrounded by civilians and expensive infrastructure? spread the army out to try to cover the entire shield boundary? make a stand closer to the city where you have to redeploy your army before the enemy can get there, and persuade the enemy to come at your army rather than simply flanking around them? It's all very well pointing out that there are downsides to letting all the enemy through the shield in one place rather than 10% getting through the shield, but coming through widely dispersed, but unless you propose an alternative that's actually better, having a downside isn't an argument that it's not the best possible option. Sin 100: Since Hela used to wield Mjolnir, and she was banished before Thor was around, it seems unlikely he had anything to do with its forging...

[@josethebioform7519]

Essentially they made a choke point which is kind of huge in combat. Tunnel of death. I mean look at trench warfare for a micro version. One shot of a shotgun you can take down 2 to 3 enemies or since this was melee look at the spartan in that one pass during 300 the numbers of t he persians didnt matter because they limited the amount that got to them at one time at which point it becomes an endurance test

[@notdemomantf2294]

For an alternative view, let's look at the win conditions of both armies: While one side will die at the end of the fight, that's merely a byproduct. The Wakandan Army wins if they buy enough time for Vision to be separated from the Mind Stone so Scarlet Witch can destroy it, while Thanos' Army wins by reaching Vision and getting the stone. As such, making an opening for the mindless enemies to filter through is the best choice, as it would allow for the enemies to always remain in your sight and prevent an encirclement that would greatly increase the difficulty of defense. The option that one guy mentioned of retreating to the capital may work, but we have no idea if there is a way to shrink the gigantic shield down to a size that defends the city only, it may put civilians in danger, and it greatly raises the chances of some enemies slipping through the net and reaching Vision. Now, this ends up mattering little due to the sneak attack they pulled off by claiming the guy was dead, but in terms of tactics it was one of if not the best possible moves.

[@timberwolfbrother]

I like how T'Challa looks genuinely uncomfortable with his own call to take down the shields. He's not making a grand tactical decision, he's making a gamble for the fate of the universe, because the situation is difficult to really argue for one method or the other, ESPECIALLY in the heat of the moment.

[@lillow671]

9:30 I understood it as the Children of Thanos were going to ask the Avengers to surrender, and the avengers went up there to see if they were surrendering.

[@felynecomrade]

I just think it's just that classic cliche dramatic pre-battle trash-talk between the leaders. Threats, promises, vows of vengeance, poetic and badass declarations... "We're gonna kick your asses." "Try it bitches, see what happens." Does it make sense? Not really, it's just cool. I like the shield between them as well, implying that that's all that's stopping them from killing each other right then and there. It also suggests a modicum of mutual respect and particular animosity between the characters. AND it further highlights how Cull Obsidian and Proxima Midnight aren't just everyday goons- they're part of Thanos' elite and handpicked Black Order, and they're about equal to the Avengers in terms of power.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Eh, it's a reference to the semi-historical practice of the leaders of two armies negotiating before battle, though they don't really do anything with it here. (semi-historical due to history.stackexchange.com/q/30661)

[@xenile2030]

Umm parleys exist

[@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115]

I think we are all forgetting the real strategy of the Black Order: pretending that Corvus Glaive died from his wounds and therefore giving him the opportunity to sneak in the lab and take Vision in a surprise attack as soon Wanda got out. Remember, their objective was not conquer Wakanda, it was just take the stone, that's why T'Challa couldn't let any of those aliens pass from them by behind and attack the lab. Yes, they would have to count that the avengers would talk to them for that, but they would attack them amyways

[@chrisdawson1776]

@@felynecomrade Ah yes parleys are cliche, never happened in history lol

[@Camoceltic]

Re: Opening the shield I'm on the side of it being a good idea to open it, with the caveat that I haven't seen the movie and don't know how the shield works beyond what's in this video. 1. Energy. Yeah, they have troop transports, but even just getting into position a second time would wear everyone down very slightly. 2. Controlling the flow of enemies. Assuming the enemies can go around or force their way through the shield, opening a hole to let them through could be the best option. It lets the defenders, not the attackers, decide how many enemies can get through at once, and also lets them only enter in a place that the defenders find useful, like a flat area where they can be carpet-bombed by War Machine. 3. The alternative of withdrawing to the city doesn't seem that great. At best, I think the buildings would function similarly to the shield by funneling the enemies in predictable paths, but with the downsides of allowing the enemies to attack from more angles while also making the defenders suffer the same funneling effect if they have to move. The only exception to the defenders suffering from the funnel effect is if they stay still, like by defending only one building. Of course, that leaves them open to getting totally surrounded. And, of course, because it's probably easier to make a battle in an open field look good/massive than in potentially crowded city streets while still looking like a battle instead of a flood.

[@donovanzanz]

4. Civilians. Both in and outside the city.

[@prodieseltrucker]

I've heard it claimed that a similar thing happened in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina. Some folks claim that the U.S. Corps of Engineers blew part of the levi near lower-class neighborhoods to ease the pressure on the rest of the levi and keep it from flooding the richer districts. Basically, it allows them to lower the strain on the barrier and at the same time pick their engagements.

[@shunonnorth3602]

I'd agree, with only one massive issue with the tactic - The outriders outnumber the wakandans, and their greatest advnatage is speed and manouvering, as well as isolating people and grouping up on them. So the wakandans decide to open the shield,let them run into an open field where they can use their full advantages, and then charge into the loose formation of outriders. What would have been far more sane and far more more effective to negate every single advnatage of the outriders would have been to move the big wakandan shield-wall formations with spears up to the chokepoint, to hold like a greek phalanx - imagine the battle of thermopylae, destroying the enemy's advantage of numbers while maximizing their advantages of skill and equipment, as well as letting their more mobile elements (war machine, black panther) move around behind the enemy formation instead of in the center of battle

[@donovanzanz]

@@shunonnorth3602 the problem with that is that they wouldn't want any of their own elements outside the shield, in case there's another form of artillery (I.e. orbital platform that perhaps delivered the Outrider transports in the first place) available to the CoT. They don't know anything about the CoT, their methods or weaponry, only the advantages they have at their own disposal; so if the possibility exists that the CoT may be able to target anything outside, then it's a better idea to contain the action inside the shield.

[@shunonnorth3602]

@@donovanzanz Which simply lining up at the opening with their previously established high-tech shieldwalls that can rise up at least five meters high to block projectiles going into the back lines would prevent, and even that would make more sense - even if they didnt have anyone outside

[@Projectiveparticle]

The meeting at the shield is a nod to antiquated clashes of armies: it's a parlay of sorts between the leaders of each group prior to the combat. The MCU has established that a good number of futuristic alien species use a "higher form of warfare", which utilizes quite a bit of CQC and antiquated formation fighting, so this totally makes sense in the context of the scene.

[@Orchestrafanboy19]

Sin 90: Proxima runs her knife-thingy across the shield. Maybe they’re testing the shield and just happened to notice the Avengers standing there.

[@wesleywelch6090]

that seems perfectly reasonable...also... couldn't it just be that Proxima is stretching it out by standing there to give the other guy enough time to deal with vision?

[@exzyyd392]

"Part 7 will come out by 2039" - Hirihiko Araki and David Productions...probably

[@munitedfan3767]

Hydraxion Voltage 🤣

[@Harrinsain]

was looking for this comment

[@dayalasingh5853]

*david

[@chrishansen1842]

Sad but true.

[@benjamincharlton1388]

yep

[@slenderface1239]

This isn’t an ongoing breakdown, this is an elongated murder.

[@josethebioform7519]

My thoughts reading/ watching this: Stop stopppppp hes already deadddd 😭

[@tbhzhomer192]

When they faced off in sin 90, it felt like tha tradition (whether real or not) of opposing generals meeting on the battlefield before the battle started.

[@thesho21]

I demand that part 7 be released! And until it is released I’m going to....continue demanding that it be released.

[@WAMTAT]

Watching after society has collapsed. Still waiting on part 7.

[@CommissarMitch]

"This is not even the last fucking part" *cries as there Will be no more*

[@Zebblud]

Why exactly? Im not caught up very well.. Sorry

[@CommissarMitch]

@@Zebblud Jay basically stopped doing SinsSins as a whole.

[@dabatman5187]

@@CommissarMitch true. The last Sin Sin was in December of 2019

[@toffeefeathers]

VisionBat is the best thing to come out of 2019, change my mind

[@asgardianforge]

How could I it is. he's even better than the character... Which isn't really saying muck

[@toffeefeathers]

Purple Fox productions Vision is my favorite character, so by extension, I love VisionBat

[@exzyyd392]

VisionBat and Groin Goblin are proof that humans are the peak of life in the universe

[@swolby9230]

Endgame

[@justanotherrandomcrit8115]

Change Your Mind? What a fucking horrendous train wreck.

[@jackysbin3860]

Jay: in the next part Me: ha, the next part... what a nice thought...

[@ColHanko]

I wish

[@Soulindex]

You probably know this, but "Part 6" isn't actually in the title! People may stumble across this and get confused about it (despite the description 😉)

[@bucky13]

Probably because when you put "part whatever" in the title, the later ones will always get progressively less views. That's why I'm here at least, I didn't know there was a 1-5 and probably wouldn't have clicked otherwise.

[@Soulindex]

@@bucky13 interesting point, and probably right. Always confused me why that happens though, but it definitely does happen.

[@BeansproutPost]

I was one of these people. Glad he put the playlist link in the description. I have now watched all of the videos.

[@meme148]

I almost skipped, I forgot there's more. 😂 Definitely Part 6 in title would have helped me.

[@frederikl.1642]

It is now.

[@Luuuna]

"Part 7 will come out before 2039" Still quicker than George RR Martin

[@exzyyd392]

08:44 I think it's possible Proxima went to check out the shield and brought Killer Croc with her for protection. Cap probably went to affirm there was no choice but a full on war, T'Challa probably went with him because he's the king so staying back might be cowardly to him. Natasha just wanted to trash talk them I guess?

[@an-animal-lover]

I wish more people pointed this out. It's so obvious. You can see Proxima testing the shield for weaknesses and it is common in wars the leaders of both sides to converge and attempt negotiations. Although, why The Avengers would try this with The Black Order is beyond me.

[@Skypost4ever]

That's a perfect explanation that I thought seemed obvious, but I guess it wasn't.

[@Skypost4ever]

It reminds me of the scene where Aragorn and friends ride up to the black gate in return of the King.

[@exzyyd392]

@@an-animal-lover The Avengers as a whole wouldn't try it. Steve alone probably would though. I mean, even Tony with his alien based ptsd told them to just leave at first before even putting his suit on

[@an-animal-lover]

@@Skypost4ever certainly not to Jeremy but no surprise there

[@Shmu82]

I honestly really love these long detailed analyses, I’d love for you to do more in the future (as long as it’s not difficult and unenjoyable for you to make)

[@Anna-tk7ui]

CinemaSins: I fear no man. But that thing.... (looks at Jay) It scares me.....

[@JadenGibson]

1:22 Jay: "If you're watching this AFTER society collapses...." 2020: "I am...inevitable."

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

CinemaSins is so spooked they still haven’t done one for Endgame.

[@JsphCrrll]

That or they just don't give a shit.

[@SWTobito0702]

@@JsphCrrll Oh please, these guys are marketers and Endgame is one of the biggest films this year. It would be absolutely foolish to not care about making a video on it.

[@thesoloplayer7685]

Lol, if they did make a video, then they will be fucked immediately.

[@agonleed3841]

@@SWTobito0702 I mean...do you watch the channel? They are still doing videos. Now, even since they started, they never really kept up with the newer movies. They're whole point was just to get movies and fuck around with sins. They never really cared about going straight to the newest movie

[@JsphCrrll]

@@SWTobito0702 basically what he said^^^

[@LordMegatron-qk2gz]

You must've forgotten about this series, because it's been an entire year and there still isn't a part 7

[@babykitsune4789]

I'm just thinking about the fact that this series started when I was 16 and now I'm 18, and I might not get the last part(s) of this until 2039 when I'm 37.

[@creativecupcake3301]

Its very unfortunate the time we must wait.

[@an-animal-lover]

@@creativecupcake3301 still waiting

[@creativecupcake3301]

@@an-animal-lover I think I can make it till 2039

[@an-animal-lover]

@@creativecupcake3301 maybe I can do it but idk

[@dawfydd]

So, on the opening the shield infront of them and away from the city serves two massively good purposes. you fight further away from vision and the civilians whom you wish to protect, and you group up your most powerful forces the avengers who have group training so they can support and buffer each others weaknesses in a small area rather than being picked off one at a time, the whole avengers movies have been trying to say "we are better together" so having a plan that splits them all up into solo fights would break that message also. Though i do agree with generation tech/films they should've created a better killing zone war machine to some point does that.

[@eshaanagarwal6081]

Who here is actually watching this in 2021 after the apocalypse and collapse of civilization?

[@thisischris999]

Makes me wonder when Jay is gonna do the Everything wrong with Everything wrong with Endgame video. Oh yeah, when the Black Widow movie hype starts building up

[@kcepfluvkcepfluv5505]

ThisisChris999 Cinemasins hasn’t done an endgame video yet...

[@lextatertotsfromhell7673]

Союз нерушимый - Soviet Grime Media that’s the joke Whooossh

[@StupidWeb]

@@lextatertotsfromhell7673 right

[@squirrelthegamer8483]

Well the movie is out and, we’re still waiting for the hype…

[@kaspermoss]

For the "pissing match at the shield": I always just assumed both sides were stalling for time. It makes perfect sense when both groups are secretly working behind the scenes; good side's only goal is to stall Thanos' army until Wanda can destroy the Mind Stone and the Thanos side wants to give green goblin as much time as possible to locate the stone.

[@mxmlnlcdcdffmnt2232]

+ if wakanda can avoid the battle its better overall than fighting it

[@RawbeeVee]

“Talk to you tomorrow bro” Last online: 486 days ago

[@Tytoalba777]

28:00 I think it’s safe to say Thor didn’t help make Mjolnir. The Hammer was used as a weapon first by Hela, and since Thor doesn’t know who she is that implies she was locked up before Thor was born or at least when he was extremely young, and since the Hammer was made before even then, the chances of Thor being involved in its creation are slim to none.

[@mochiloki]

I haven’t watched any of the other parts... and I really feel like I should because of the Vision bat. I’m so confused.

[@Zvwry]

mochiloki marinette!

[@corset8186]

Cinemasins said that Vision should've "sensed" the alien spy, that sneaked up on him. Jay explained that this isn't how senses work and made fun of it = Visionbat. I hope that clears it up somewhat.

[@taramanasterski4446]

How is life without a society?????

[@mochiloki]

@@corset8186 Thanks, that makes so much more sense

[@skibot9974]

I get you’ve moved on from cinemasins but you were so close to the finish line!

[@dammagrilla]

17:17 Loads of Outriders had already gotten through the closed shields and as they accumulated along the outside of the shield more area would be prone to breaches. They don't have the numbers to defend an area that great and, within the movie, the goal of this entire battle is to stall... the decisions that are being made are with the intent to make the battle long enough for Shuri to remove and destroy the stone.

[@localdingus6788]

That screen background alone elevated him to my new favorite person, I always loved his videos but any man who has a Marceline and PB background on his PC and makes great videos is something special.

[@Kali-bs7oj]

“If you’re watching this after society has collapsed” :(

[@PhantomLantern2814]

Proxima and Cull walking out to meet with the other Avengers feels more like some tradition of battle. Isn’t it a thing where the generals meet in the field before the battle begins? To negotiate terms or demand surrender? That’s certainly what the black order was doing. ALSO, this entire battle serves as a distraction for Corvus. Them walking out to meet them on the field is a subtle way to keep their attention there.

[@EternalDensity]

Jay in 2040: "Soon..." edit: wait did you call Zack Snyder a filmmaker? Or a tool?

[@felynecomrade]

He called him a filmmaking tool.

[@EternalDensity]

Jay: I stopped saying "this movie that movie" because it got repetitive Th3Birdman: Jeremy makes a pop culture reference that isn't a sin of this video cliche. Jeremy makes a pop culture reference that isn't a sin of this video cliche. Jeremy makes a pop culture reference that isn't a sin of this video cliche...

[@ToastedFox]

Also i swear this is the nerdiest amount of dedication. The amount of content you have of this is hilarious and astonishing.

[@triplebog]

In reference to Black Panther opening the shield wall. I thought it was a smart idea because I don't think the lizard boys are actually trying to get the infinity stone, they are just gonna kill and eat, then thanos's children would show up and get the stone. With this in mind; think of the size of a shield encompassing an entire city. It would be absolutely insanely large and impossible to cover; multiple lizard boys would easily be able to sneak into the city. While the avengers could just station more people around vision, innevitably this would just wind up costing a great deal of innocent wakandan civilian lives as the lizard boys broke into the city and rampaged through it. Especially since hunting down lizard boys in a city when you don't know how many there are or where they are would be extremely difficult. And killing them all would likely result in more civilian casualties as they are caught in the cross fire. "Falling back to the city" is not an option, cause cities haven't been built to be defendable from a ground assault for ages.

[@Nionivek]

Cities are naturally defensible... just not with Wakandan weapons.

[@agonleed3841]

@@Nionivek take your real shit out of this fantasy. Wakandan weapons were good for that fantasy movie. If the movie wanted a defended city, they'd probably have some mini knives/whatever version of the spears. But we got that other scene, so we got those specific weapons. Yea, I'm all about my military experience and love guns...but this movie is based in some fantasy. Not some real life shit. Also...you think guns and ammo are infinte use and weigh nothing?

[@rosestar1324]

I thought it was a good idea too. If they made the enemy go where they want them they would have a huge advantage. Controlling enemy moment is a good plan. I haven’t seen this movie or the rest of the video yet but I think they succeeded in not letting Thanos’ mindless drones into the city but I could be wrong

[@kabobawsome]

IIRC the city was evacuated. So they shouldn't have gone out to meet them in the first place. There were no lives at stake beyond soldiers and the Avengers, why would you go out to a place that gives the attackers increased advantage, like the ability to flank at all. They should have been somewhere naturally defensible, like the city or the forest around the lab. Oh, and cities aren't good for defense because they are built to be (although it exponentially increases a city's defensibility when they are), they are good because they have a lot of chokepoints. It's much harder for an enemy to flank you when you know exactly every direction they could possibly come from and station people there. And it's much easier to hit an enemy running down an empty street at you than it is to hit an enemy able to maneuver around you. Multiple buildings also help, as buildings are naturally defensible for the same reason as cities and can also be used as sniper spots or machine-gun nests, meaning literally any of thousands of buildings can attack you. So for an army to be totally effective and safe from snipers and machine-gun nests, they have no choice but to clear every building with a flat roof, balcony, or windows. This immensely slows an assault, meaning information can reach a defending army and they can regroup and respond fairly easily. And if they don't clear snipers and machine-gun nests (as the Outriders are mindless, so I doubt they would), they can (and should) end up losing massive numbers to them, meaning their assault is still slowed, if less so. This means a defending army would not be able to respond as well but has to respond to less. Finally, the streets of a city line up well with the way both the Outriders and the Wakandans fight: in melee. For that, I will refer back to the Greeks and the completely unfair-to-attackers tactic that was the phalanx. Outriders would have likely literally piled up in corpses if the Wakandans could have used that. So imagine, if you will, that they turn the shield inward to the city, open up one section down a wide street with no turn-offs, some sit at the other end in a phalanx formation, and others remain in the higher floors of buildings aimed down at the street. War Machine runs regular bombing runs down the street, starting a little bit ahead of the phalanx to prevent friendly fire. Bucky remains as a commander for the building snipers and machine-gun nests, while Steve runs commanding duties for the phalanx. Black Panther stands guard at the lab to negate any risk of failure. All of the other heroes are dedicated to elite troop hunting AKA taking down the only 3 sentient enemy combatants. The Outriders would have been decimated and the Wakandan troops would have barely taken any losses. Hell, the heroes would have been in so much better shape by the time Thanos got there that they actually would have had a good chance at taking him, having most of an army and fighting shape Vision and Wanda on their side. Plus there would be the fact that it wasn't blatantly and immediately obvious where the stone went, forcing Thanos to figure it out mid-battle. So yeah, the decision was pretty bad, if you ask me.

[@agonleed3841]

@@kabobawsome as soon as you get to a point about chokepoints and such in the city...I had to stop reading. You do know they aren't fighting humans, right? Like these alien animal things would just swarm the builldings and insides like fucking ants. And the main focus was to keep the attention because they kinda actually KNEW shit was going to be bad. They were just hoping for a chance to keep it controlled. But Vision needed protecting. I think that letting them swarm would make it easier to lose.

[@Rebel3000]

Wanda was supposed to be Visions defense, the Black Order needed her away from Vision to even stand a chance, shown by Proxima saying "shes here" when Wanda makes her appearance on the battlefield

[@jacobdennis8734]

I can’t even remember the other 5 parts.

[@batbugz]

The way I've always interpreted the shield scene was that overtime more and more of the outriders get in the more degraded The shield becomes, until eventually it breaks down completely. No shield is unbreakable and no energy source lasts forever (except for caps shield (until endgame) and Arc reactors) So they decide to open it up so that never happens as well as having all of them right where they want them. The shield will hold everywhere else and wakandas civilians won't be killed, the battle is contained to one portion of field.

[@onnixcarmichele3911]

“Part 7 will come before 2039.” At least it’ll still probably be before Mauler finishes the TFA critique series. jk love you mauler

[@stigmaoftherose]

If episode 9 sucks to much you might not be wrong.

[@Themayorofawsometown]

Mauler will probably still bitch about TFA until the day he dies

[@joeiorio9654]

Jay Are Ay but I love the sequel trilogy

[@joeiorio9654]

Themayorofawsometown Also I hate mauler. Who formalism about TLJ for 5 hours? Good god man

[@Crabgar]

this comment is also for jojo fans i hope

[@carmenbetts-jones9562]

It's been over a year since this came out and there is still no part seven

[@NovaDysnomia]

Thor is able to withstand the energy of a star... sort of. Guess that means he's completely immune to being STABBED, SHOT, DECAPITATED, or anything else that isn't the energy of a star.

[@StupidWeb]

Especially considering he gets stabbed by stormbreaker in endgame

[@fightingmedialounge519]

He might be depending on who's doing it.

[@Aplesedjr]

Normal people can survive horrible burns (Thor was going to die and stormbreaker saved him, so he wouldn’t have even survived) but aren’t immune to decapitation, gunshots, stab wound, etc. Not all damage is simple energy, it’s the application of said energy that is important.

[@affsteak3530]

Everything is HP. If Thor has enough HP to withstand a star, he's a bullet sponge.

[@ethanlivemere1162]

Visionbat, Crocodile Daddy, Squidward, Groin Goblin and Female Daddy are why I love this series

[@seancampbell7884]

One thing Cinema Sins keeps missing when they say Thanos could just do all this himself is that he literally couldn't. He nearly loses the glove on Titan is almost killed by Thor on earth and they only reason neither of those things happens is because of mistakes made by the Avengers not because of Thanos skill

[@Excelsior_15]

Its a military courtesy . You always give your opponent the opportunity to surrender , which is normally done by the highest ranked , or one chosen by the squad.

[@XavierXonora]

"You just made a bunch of stuff up about it then loudly announced it didn't make sense" is the perfect definition of a strawman argument. Thank you.

[@finn_underwood]

For the "why did the avengers walk up to the barrier before the battle", the avengers entire goal for this battle is to stall for time so Vision can get the stone out of his head. Makes sense they'd try some diplomatic approach before the proper fight, even if it only gave them a few extra minutes in the end. Just saying.

[@TheRogueAdventurers]

I'm watching this in 2020 and it surely feels like society has collapsed...

[@antimatterhorn]

making your middle "appear" vulnerable to prevent a flanking move is battlefield tactics 101.

[@SpaceNerd117]

28:05 Actually, we do know that: in Thor 1, there's a shot of kid Thor and Kid Loki with Odin walking past Mjolnir leaning against a column.

[@danmakthefirst]

“If you’re watching this after society collapsed” did this man just predict Covid-19

[@jamiee7367]

Last time this was early, CinemaSins was considered fully respectable film criticism.

[@helloworld2409]

Ok there dinosaur

[@Nugcon]

ok

[@MusOfficial323]

Yea, back when everyone was genuinely mad about a lack of lap dances

[@seraphimvalkyrin4543]

One year, to this exact date and we still don't have a part seven :(

[@toffeefeathers]

You can take your time with this one, it’s really good content that I’m sure most of us can agree is worth waiting for.

[@squirrelthegamer8483]

Mhm…

[@liamingram6318]

Little did Jay know... society would collapse just a few months after he released this

[@VideoGameVillians]

Actually the pow-wow at the shield does have an in story purpose. Both sides are buying time, the heroes need time so Vision's stone can be removed safely and the villains are letting groin goblin sneak around.

[@hyperionthundermain]

Concerning the shield: What Jeremy (and most people) ignore about the scene is the part where T'Challa says that the shield will fail if the Thanos army keeps wailing on it from all directions. The open the choke point to get the mindless horde to stop beating on the shield indiscriminately and focus elsewhere. Also, Kill field.

[@matthewmuir8884]

8:38 It seemed clear to me that the Avengers were basically trying to tell them, "Walk away now while you still can". Captain America and Black Panther both try to show their enemies mercy whenever they can, and it's no different here. As for the Children of Thanos, I imagine it was to see if they could get through the shielding, but that one's more of a stretch.

[@destinyvoltaire]

Pretty sure the point that they were making with Bucky's arm was specifically that it is *Wakanda Designed* and made of *Vibranium,* which has a ton of random crazy applications. The fact that they used it to make an arm and the arm doesn't have any additional capabilities shown is odd.

[@sehr.geheim]

Cinema Sins made the world a much better place than it was before. Without it, we would never have gotten Jay Exci

[@bigcountry4932]

The joke ab civilization breaking down at the start from 2019 hits WAY different in 2020

[@TheAdvertisement]

9:44 Demonetized. 23:15 “First and Thor-most”. You clever boy.

[@SuperMatthew345]

1:28 "Three minutes from now" Off by a couple of months, but accurate enough tbh

[@mimicoffey1393]

"I will finish it eventually" 👀

[@pilkers2]

Man I can’t wait for part seven that’s definitely coming out..right?

[@alyssaj8779]

Wakandan soldiers, standing up in their ships and getting out perfectly while holding spears: rip to you, but I'm different

[@jmaitland5709]

Nah to be fair CinemaSins do have a point. Infinity War was good but what would've REALLY made the film stand out woulda been a 12 minute long scene of watching Steve and Nat slowly walking back to the Wakandan army in dead silence.

[@zincshepherd]

That intro hits differently in 2020

[@OffTheCuff444]

I legitimately can't wait to go through all this again with Endgame.

[@StupidWeb]

He's probably not gonna do one on endgame

[@OffTheCuff444]

Stupid Android Depends on how stupid CinemaSins’ Endgame video is

[@MasterofInterspace]

Personally, I would have taken three sections of the barrier and randomly close and open them multiple times over the length of the battle. It would have the desired effect of using the wall as a meat grinder, would continue funneling most troops through, and then have some Wakandans make a perimeter around the capital while the flying heroes can patrol the perimeters and pick off any that get out of line. I mean, it's not all that different, but it would cut the army into more manageable waves and has the added bonus of taking out troops every time the opening is shifted

[@magnatcleo2043]

Though the main problem with that idea is whether or not the shield could handle doing that frequently, as it could just lead to the shield completely burning out in some areas due to excessive burden of rapidly switching it.

[@MasterofInterspace]

@@magnatcleo2043 that's fair, I'm sure. We don't know the extent of such things, though, because Wakanda tech is all high tech and generally has a fictional material, Vibranium, integrated. I will concede to have not thought of burning out the tech controlling the barrier, though, bravo in pointing that out

[@peppermintgal4302]

Not a military strategist in any way, but I think the fact that the decision has disadvantages is part of the point --- what to do is a dilemma. It makes sense from a story writing perspective to put your characters in a bind like this cause otherwise, there's no conflict.

[@bobbiesterling574]

so, uh... im guessing part 7 isnt happening...

[@dabatman5187]

Jay has moved on from Sins Sins

[@nexusshark]

If you recall in Black Panther, Okoye was standing on a vibranium car while in motion, without anything to hold onto. Why could she do that? Because her shoes were designed to stick on vibranium. And those hover cars were made of vibranium.

[@cheekbonestrenchcoat]

"Eventually" Two years later....

[@TriCutNinja]

Hey give him some time, he did promise it would be out before 2039, so we've only gotta wait, lol

[@nightshadoew436]

3 years. Part 7 is going t either rival the Doctor who video and maulers Multiverse of Madness video or just going to be 15 minutes

[@hallowtrash9874]

9:20 One possible motivation could be the children of thanos wanting to get them to surrender with the promise of a quick death but they don’t ask so very flimsy theory

[@Fawkes42]

Maybe they would've asked if the avengers seemed nervous

[@hallowtrash9874]

I guess it is Possible that they realized the mission was pointless from their expressions

[@blueblade6174]

In regards to the Wakandan transport hover crafts, I would argue since they are very technologically advanced, their crafts could have motion stabilizers to make it possible to simply standing on them while they travel and turn at high speeds.

[@mousetvalerie]

2039 is fast approaching, Jay Exci (if that even is your real name)

[@The4thSnake]

If they let the enemy go around the shield, they'd be putting civilians at risk, rather than keeping them targeting only the military forces in this field. T'Challa cares about his people and wants to avoid them being in danger.

[@julia-claire]

.......i AM watching this after society has collapsed..... ahem covid

[@PunkZombie1300]

Hello, I'm from a further collapsed society where there's CoVid _and_ riots

[@christopherlee8989]

The whole "pissing match at the shield" is called a parlay. The avengers walked up to the shield, and proxima midnight and cull obsidian walk up just in case that the humans see the forces and odds stacked against them and could have perhaps given up the stone. It's a fairly common practice when two armies meet up in war time.

[@robboyte1101]

I can see it now: Jay gets dusted suddenly and we all have to wait five years for part 7 to post. 🙂

[@CaramelFae]

I think with Sin 90, the Children of Thanos were doing that 'courtesy messenger' thing where they say something along the lines of "our Lord the Plum Thumb offers you one last chance at surrender." This seems like the most plausible answer to me and I mention it because I'm surprised it wasn't brought up, even if it was to disprove it because the Children of Thanos never actually say anything like that.

[@kylecampbell565]

I like how every video has Thanos in the thumbnail as the directors confirmed HE’S the main character