I Rewrote Endgame by Giving Thanos 1 Major Twist. People Seem to Like it.

[@Uniquenameosaurus]

I'll probably be remaking this rewrite soon to update it with all my new writing theories as well better visuals as I think i've made significant improvements in my standards since. If you're interested in what kind of quality its likely to be, see my Attack on Titan rewrite for what I'm capable of writing these days: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5zSfZuMj8x8oJo

[@matthewlafountain8218]

I'd be excited to see the rewrite! I've never seen your stuff before, this video just came up on my feed, but I'm subscribing in hopes of even more cool ideas! Great work

[@andrebrown4387]

Perfect timing lmao, finally watching this after its kept showing up in my recommended for years. Watched the aot rewrite too

[@juanls2221]

Colddd

[@juanls2221]

Definitely do it fosho

[@webbedshadow2601]

Looking forward to it!!

[@RisingSol]

The idea of Drax thinking he killed Thanos' son and him being confused is absolutely amazing lol

[@RindouHasRan]

God i want a poorly drawn comic of this its so funny to me

[@CyberDrewan]

Considering how oblivious Drax can be, it kind of fits perfectly for him to complete his revenge arc of actually killing Thanos and not actually realizing it was Thanos he killed.

[@Chris-do2ls]

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[@mistermelon72]

It fits draxs character, since he's so oblivious and dumb

[@zacharynguyen7286]

Hope everyone doing good and staying safe. If you need to talk to someone or need help, there are people who care. Sending support and hearts. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@wezzelinator]

What sold me on this was the multiverse-chain-thanos-prime thing that properly justifies the ludicrous number of universes Dr Strange had to experience. It ties the plot together in a neat multidimensional bow.

[@mrsbasia122]

Right? 14 million is simply an outrageous number, but it makes sense if you realize Strange was looking for a method to save ALL the universes.

[@mixttime]

@@mrsbasia122 Yeah, and it expands the scope even more without messing with Thanos's motivation. And it thematically connects to all the multiverse shenanigans of the movies since.

[@thealchemistking4063]

@@mrsbasia122 i mean he was looking at literally every possible different action of... *everybody present in endgame* id say across all those timelines itd sum up to something like 14 million variations.

[@nostalgiatrip7331]

@@thealchemistking4063 yeah man the butterfly effect plus factorial multiplication of every possibility could easily be 14,000,00

[@s0ne01]

andd you got to keep in mind the path he found was probably the least probable occurrence, so things HAD to occur in a certain way. think about antman, if the rat didnt press the button, hed nevee escape the quantum realm.

[@deatrix4746]

The only thing I'd change in this is what Tony says to Thanos after his "You can't kill an idea" from what it was to "No. We can't, but neither could you." It would be an amazing call back to the "There was an idea" that started the Avengers in the first place.

[@ipanesm]

oooooh thats a nice throwback, but i think many would miss it in the moment and that would sadly diminish the impact of the scene

[@NecroticFarron]

God that would have given me shivers lmao

[@jacobfaro9571]

If go further. When thanks says I am inevitable, have stark reply “then so am i”

[@sciencemage6283]

I think maybe something more casual but cheeky like "Do you know how the avengers started? There was an idea." fits more organically and gets him to say the line basically a meta way of say the line but also saying even though there'll always be mad tyrants like you, there will also always be avengers

[@teresar6348]

We can't, but neither can you. It's what created the avengers in the first place. Or adding that last phrase a bit more simply

[@tieranalexander4475]

I adored this rewrite. The ending was especially brilliant. But my God, this movie would be seven hours long.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Seven beautiful hours

[@AmeriChrisTheMage]

These rewrites are always full of good ideas but they're too lengthy. I have a feeling if they were actually done a lot of this would need to be cut or moved into subtext.

[@distantsea]

Ayy it's the thumbnail guy

[@bingo784]

Oh, so Snyder can hock up a four hour long average movie but we can't have an awesome 7 hour long movie? Double standards.

[@nataleynakata3687]

And the finale of the Infinity Saga Rewritten would turn into more of a quadrology/ quintology rather than a duology/ trilogy. Just suggesting, in case there are people who don't want to stay sitting at home/ in a theater for seven hours.

[@ciape7547]

I really love this, especially the "calculated risk" line from the hulk, we all know that people would meme the hell out of it

[@sspectre8217]

Now that you mention it, man I really wish we could have that meme

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

holy shit that's such a memeable line

[@Firesgone]

While he's just holding the POWER stone raw!

[@gentxnova]

So then let’s meme the shit out of it

[@reptiliannoizezz.413]

Somebody's gotta make the scene into a comic or animation and then finally we'll be able to meme it

[@shilohmagic7173]

That "one in 14 million" explanation was AMAZING. I am *so glad* I rewatched this video.

[@Brosethorns]

This just makes me realise that infinity war should’ve been a trilogy

[@スガル]

Infinity War [???] (Time heist part) Endgame (This)

[@wifparanoid]

Should've been infinity war, then a whole phase, then endgame, where thanos isn't talked about in the phase

[@Sploberrie]

Maybe the resurrection of OG Thanos could be the cutoff point? That way each movie can end on a snap - First on OG Thanos' OG snap that killed half the universe; Second on Young Thanos' snap to resurrect OG Thanos; Third on Tony's snap to get rid of OG Thanos once and for all.

[@unconqueredson1424]

@@wifparanoid You and I are of one mind.

[@wifparanoid]

@@Sploberrie The Triple snap Trilogy

[@deekshatewari3022]

And you know another awesome part about the Professor Hulk bit? The soul stone canonically allows for that 'internal monologue' of one's soul to happen, so it's only fitting that Natasha's sacrifice for the soul stone is what allowed Bruce's soul and Hulk's soul to finally reconcile This re-write is so damn cool

[@eliotharrell6061]

Fr, it covers all the bases way better than the original did and fixes a lot of plot holes

[@bluebawls]

I know!!! That was so cool to imagine, wish it was real

[@fireironthesecond2909]

It would be extremely fun and satisfying if Thor was unaffected by the Reality Stone not because of Stormbreaker but because he’s so used to Loki’s illusions that he’s grown immune to that little trick (this was even hinted at in Ragnorok)

[@patchworkgods]

I love this! The idea that Thanos is trying to confuse and distract him and Thors looks right through to him and says something like "you cant fool me, you are nothing compared to my brother" with a big grin on his face.

[@roronoalaw7772]

@@patchworkgods That would imply Loki is more powerful than the reality stone which is dumb.

[@smbenga2]

@@roronoalaw7772 Not really, it just means that Thanos’ imagination is nothing compared to Loki. The stone is just bending reality to be what Thanos wants, and Thor would be saying Thanos’ illusions don’t stand up to Loki’s

[@lilyofluck371]

​@@roronoalaw7772 not at all, it's just saying that loki is a better trickster than thanos. And that should be true since loki is literally a trickster god.

[@d73w80]

@@roronoalaw7772 I wouldn't say so. Just because Thanos has the potential to be greater, doesn't mean he has the knowledge or skills to do so. Loki may have been more limited, but he was the absolute master.

[@statikksheev4390]

That hulk-banner reconciliation scene literally brought a tear to my eye as you described it. Would have been so cool to see that on the big screen

[@anotherjason]

Howdy fellow thumbnail comment

[@Uniquenameosaurus]

@@anotherjason Haha, I love watching people react to me use them for advertising purposes XD

[@barricadethedecepticon1350]

Technically his story arc was 7 movies long.

[@statikksheev4390]

@@Uniquenameosaurus So... I was just casually scrolling through youtube as I do. And then I happen to see this video pop up again in my feed, I look at the thumbnail and nearly shit myself. Thank you so much for featuring me, I appreciate it.

[@statikksheev4390]

@@anotherjason I literally just noticed it now, howdy to you as well!

[@KennyHavoc]

My only real issue is that I really enjoyed Thanos’ death scene. Just the realization his army lost and rather than fight it or scream he accepts and awaits it.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

It does fit his inevitability and destiny theory. However it ends is inevitable in his mind. He sees his solution as the only one, making it inevitable, but at the same time he's also cynical and depressed about the loss of his planet, so even his own failure is also inevitable. Like, you could argue he didn't truly *believe* he himself would win for sure until he succeeded. Thus, when he fails, it's not a surprise to him.

[@TAP7a]

He's the worst kind of stoic. Adopts the affect, and is even a genuine believer internally. Highly driven and motivated, very clear about what he can and cannot control, flexibly minded, resilient to setbacks, big picture thinker without letting it get close to overwhelming him, keeps himself grounded... But his moral code and systems/evidence based thinking ability is absolute dogshit. You have this unbelievably competent and effective guy working towards a goal that he doesn't even realise is absolutely insane. He is so convinced that his way is the most reasonable, the only reasonable way forwards and so good at maintaining self control that he is completely unassailable by things like facts and logic. No rhetoric, no matter how well evidenced, will sway him because his stoicism does not permit that kind of input into his decisions. He's imprisoned himself in his own ignorance and locked the door with his stoicism. Now, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with stoicism, it's an excellent psychological and philosophical practice for producing resilient, reasonable and unflappable thinkers. The problem is that the foundations of Thanos' understanding of the problem, the plan and his ethical code are fully corrupted. He so believes himself to be doing the right thing, and is able to deal with any setback in making it happen, but his assessment of the right thing is just... wrong. He lacks the knowledge or wisdom to see that the solution to the resources problem is not the murder of half the universe, especially with the stones in play, and therefore the ability to accurately process an argument to the same effect. He is unstoppable on the path he's chosen and yet has removed from himself the ability to assess what a better path is and to switch to it. Essentially, he's the ultimate self-assured piece of shit, like the pinnacle of all the people who brag about their stoicism but continue to avoid doing righteous deeds, the actual focus of stoicism.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

@@TAP7a This is actually incorrect, though. You can, indeed, get through to Thanos. Firstly we see that he can change his plan if you invalidate it - where he changes from 'wipe out half the life' to 'wipe out all life and rebuild from scratch' - and secondly What If shows that if someone sufficiently charismatic and clever were to sit down with him and really argue their point convincingly, he would change his mind and take another path. You need 1 to explain to him that his plan won't work when it happens, 2 to explain his plan is inefficient and likely not to succeed in the first place, and 3 to give him a viable alternative he can believe in. The real issue is that throughout Infinity War and Endgame, no one even made an attempt at this. Angry confrontation is not negotiation or convincing, and does not change anyone's mind about anything. It's not the Avengers' fault that they didn't run out onto the battlefield like Naruto intent on changing Thanos' mind with words first, it just so happens that if they had it probably would have worked. -- granted the AU where he is convinced to change is many many years before the point where the Avengers meet him, given that Nebula is barely augmented at the time, but that doesn't mean he is beyond reason (until Gamora's death - at that point he almost certainly has become too emotionally invested to do anything else even if he cedes your point) simply that it is harder than when Starlord convinced him in the AU.

[@jerryballstein]

Ya I felt like a lot of this was over written. There's some good ideas here but this feels like 2-3 movies and half a dozen climaxes and lacks a lot of focus. The ending especially, with the final lines and quips while Thanos & Tony die, all just seem unnecessary. I don't completely mind Thanos saying something to Tony before dusting, but having Thor, Thanos, and Tony all get in 30s of dialogue would screw up the pacing and stretch it all out too much.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

@@jerryballstein This video is...kind of a study on how to get a bad movie out of a good one. And I think the issue is, as he admitted at the start of the video, normally he rewrites bad movies and takes good elements from those movies to rewrite the whole thing differently. This time he took a good movie and tried to tweak weak points in the movie into perfection, but he overthought it. He basically Spiderman 3'd the movie, by sticking way too many ideas and way too many plots into one movie at one time in an attempt to accomplish too much at once. And, to be fair, this is what's ruined many a movie. Directors or writers or studios look at a movie that's okay but lacking a little and start shoving things in until it's overfull. He's also, ironically, missing an important part of storytelling and cinematography that people already complain about related to MCU: silence. So much is happening all the time, characters are constantly quipping and having revelations and revealing plot twists over and over that there's no time to rest, no time for that silent moment when Thanos looks up and just watches his army, his dreams, and finally himself, fade away into dust. I'm not criticizing the guy who does these rewrites in general, I just think that this is what happens when you can't accept 'good enough'. Sometimes you break the thing trying to make it perfect.

[@ThatObnoxiousMagpie]

The idea of Tony getting drunk and getting into a physiological debate with Thanos is for some reason really funny to me

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

In in some way would be in character. Tony thinks he is smart, and he undoubtedly is, but in his mind he is even smarter. So him going out trying to talk Thanos out of his plan is totally believable.

[@aaronholmes-black6621]

Thanos casually pouring Tony more cups in a quietly bemused manner as the small man continues to rant.

[@anotherjason]

Ok the avengers and thanos just chillin' in the garden has to be the COOLEST idea i've ever heard. I NEED to see that illustrated or exceuted SOME way.

[@aben1466]

You’re the guy!

[@wyvern5438]

It's neat to see someone with a ghost game pfp in the wild! Also congrats on being in the thumbnail lol

[@anotherjason]

@@wyvern5438 it's a good show, i've never been this into digimon since like, Frontier. Also this frame is just perfect for me

[@BobbinRobbin777]

Hey look, its the guy from the thumbnail

[@podarium1]

Thumbnail guy

[@SnowOfAllTrades]

The chain-solution to the "1 in 14 million" problem is actually genius, I would have loved for that to be the actual explanation!

[@alecshockowitz8385]

It really does seem like a pretty effective solution and I think its a clear enough thing for what's going on that the viewer wouldn't be terribly confused, especially with the extra bits with Drax interacting with young and old Thanos, as clarification.

[@Gummyskeleton]

This feels like a fan fiction done right I’m obsessed thank you for this it actually gives us fans what we deserve

[@gibbsterV]

"But for someone who calls himself Iron Man, you bend like gold" That was an epic line, it also gave me actual shivers

[@aidanadkins5922]

Also meaningful because Tony's suits were originally made from gold-titanium alloy.

[@ethanweimer-kopf6907]

No hate, but it was REALLY cringe

[@thoroughlyjordan]

I appreciate the idea, but the punchline is a little weak. The maleability of gold is not the most important thing about it in writing. I'd prefer "you crumble like stone."

[@themoviecritic1092]

@@ethanweimer-kopf6907 Nah it was pretty good

[@paytonogallagher3284]

@@thoroughlyjordan Damn, I like that better too. I think it feels more in character too, since Thanos wouldn't know or give a damn about any personal symbolism or meaning behind the name Iron man. Thonos just wants to spit some fire. Did he even ever learn the names of the people he was fighting and how many of them? I don't remember.

[@51918]

You may call it cringe, but "My mind was overwhelmed by a different thought... The Work isn't done. We must all learn to make sacrifices, and it is time for you to make yours." is 100% a badass line. Not to mention that it reinforces the other thing that makes Thanos a compelling villain: He is OBSESSED. He is called the Mad Titan for a reason. You nailed it!

[@peapod5629]

Thanos really is the Kobe of genocide

[@yosephbuitrago897]

1:22:10 or instead of having doctor strange get the time stone back immediately to reverse thanos pulling the planet apart, have him struggling to literally hold the planet together while the fight is going on. Doctor strange is one of the strongest and most magically gifted characters, so having him trying to hold back the planet they are standing on from falling apart instead of holding back some water seems like a way better and way cooler display of his abilities. You could even have instances where an enemy force attacks him while he’s doing his magic and he has to momentarily fight the attacker, which causes chunks of earth to break apart and start drifting from each other until doctor strange goes back to pull the ground together again

[@herobane6488]

i feel like a more powerful stark line would've been "Sure, bud. Maybe you *can't* kill an idea. But something I've taken to heart... _you can always have a better one._ "

[@hasan7275]

that would be perfect

[@SpiderPig42]

YES!!! I was about to write how the original line didn't work. Essentially, Thanos was saying that he lives on through his ideas and then Stark kills him but not his idea. This line perfectly solves it because you aren't just killing Thanos, it's killing his ideas too. And to be delivered by Tony Stark, inventor / innovator / full of new ideas, just makes it work better. I love it!

[@G0L0V0L0MKEE]

*VEN0M* S0 WHAT

[@theaveragecomment1014]

I like that one!

[@trulygoatedd]

THIS IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA I WANNA LIKE THIS COMMENT BUT I CANT

[@fortheloveofgodlaugh2981]

"In fact I was just about to start a collection" why can one random fan write more creative and funny dialogue than a paid team of writers for a billion dollar franchise. Your understanding of Thanos through Infinity War was incredible. The speech at the 50 minute mark gave me chills. It's also a perfect expansion into Post-Phase 3's exploration of the infinte Multiverse.

[@DazzlingDayCee]

Nepotism. A lot- but not all- of these writers are only in the business because their (much more talented) parents were- and they basically passed down their positions to their kids. No talent needed when daddy can pay someone to hire you, or daddy's last name has so much power that he doesn't even need to pay in the first place. Look up the term "nepo babies", it's a real thing.

[@tickledeggz]

That line wouldnt get past producers, to them it sounds like the guy they want to slap on lunchboxes is revelling in brutal executions.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

unconstrained

[@giraffedragon6110]

That bit with Drax and the younger thanos is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.

[@wolfblaze6227]

The bit about “honor in failure” was a fantastic moment for both Thor and Nebula. The payoff for it in the big ending fight was awesome too. I personally appreciated the sentiment that failure doesn’t have to be something you learn from, or something that contributes to a greater success, but that failure itself is something valuable. As someone who’s failed far more than I’ve succeeded, it’s encouraging and makes me love Nebula even more. Your version of Thor is also something I can relate to and appreciate much more than the cannon version. Good job

[@vividao4123]

It's the older cousin of "we don'tmake mistakes, just happy little accidents".

[@cane9965]

Wait... But what makes failure valuable is the fact that you can learn from it and/or it contributes to greater success (whether it is your success or another's). Otherwise, what does make failure valuable?

[@ordinarytree4678]

@@cane9965 "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life." -Cpt. Jean-Luc Picard

[@cane9965]

@@ordinarytree4678 Yeah and you learn to be realistic and take jobs that you can feasibly do. You still learn from the experience of your failure. Even if you think you made no mistakes, there is always a reason why you failed. You're not strong enough, you're not smart enough, you had time-constraints, you're not realistic in your goals, you didn't emotionally prepare for failure... There are a lot of things to learn from your failures. No one is perfect. Take it from somebody who fails a lot... That's why we learn from our mistakes. Other people can learn from our mistakes too. That is what makes failure valuable... Failure in itself is not valuable. It's what you chose to do with that failure.

[@superepicguy]

1:25:51 I expected Tony's final quip to be "We had a better idea. We called them 'The Avengers.'"

[@falxblade1352]

YES! FULL CIRCLE!

[@mr.woklace835]

Yeah this was what I'm thinking too I think it could be much more fitting like this

[@TheCheddarChunk]

“There was an idea to bring together a group of remarkable people-“

[@directspoogles2166]

that would have been SO FUCKING GOOD

[@gracetalbot]

thats where i thought the line was going too lol- go full circle back to Nick fury's line from the first avengers!

[@azuquirtle]

1:03:46 this was actually the original plan for Endgame, however Chris Hemsworth convinced the writers to keep Thor fat and depressed as to not take away the effect depression has on a person. He wanted to emphasise that it is not a thing that you just get over, it takes a very long time and lots of healing, something that Thor just didn't have time to do while he was consumed by guilt and anger. Unfortunately, Thor ends up immediately getting better in Love and Thunder so that entire idea didn't end up mattering.

[@allanorme2093]

He gets better in LaT because while he was on Earth the loss was fresh on him and he felt HE killed all those people, But after he he helped save everyone he took his chance to go and right some of the guilt he felt by teaming up with the gaurdians and saving planets

[@cool_dude_like_really]

I feel like you can be jacked and depressed at the same time...

[@Vladiuzs]

i dont wanna see taika waititi on marvel ever again

[@azuquirtle]

@@cool_dude_like_really Yes, but Thor got fat because he was depressed

[@malcolmw121]

It would make the most sense for his arc in this rewrite to keep him fat, but not flabby. His depression still lingers, even through his attempts to overcome it.

[@Shadowmask8]

I loved this. I was really skeptical at the start when you were talking about young Thanos but you really brought it home with the soul stone swap, that alone solves my single biggest problem with Endgame. I do feel, though, that you got a little wrapped up in finding the perfect ending for every single character and it's just too much. Especially the month long sabbatical with Thanos, that would suck all the momentum out of the story and makes no sense with these characters, many of whom would rather die trying to kill Thanos than live in the same vicinity of him for more than 25 seconds. The final battle should take place no more than a few hours later, and in the gap should be Tony arguing with Thanos briefly to distract him while the other call for help and your Thor/Nebula scene which was very good. Also I really liked that Tony and Thanos both died quietly, it added much needed weight to their endings.

[@jexusdomel5194]

Super agree with this. The idea of cooling off with thanos in the garden is cool, but the movie can't go on forever, finding an in between of too little or too much time would screw the pacing big time anyway, so it's just better to have an immediate solution. As you said, Tony trying to distract thanos but also genuinely talking with him sounds tense and time efficient.

[@geekoverlord34]

I think that another potential fix to this problem would be to place another film break after Thanos destroys the space stone, the stuff within the sabbatical would have to be lengthened, but hey, we've got a month of time to work with. Main problem with this is that it might feel a bit repetitive, with both Infinity war and my proposed Endgame part 1 both ending on that the heroes failed moment.

[@jaybee27D]

Definitely agree. He was right that sometimes cheesy dialogue just needs to be executed right, but towards the end it started to really feel like it was forcing too much philosophical one-liners for the characters and that’s especially clear with Thanos and Tony’s final lines. They should stay silent.

[@Arvensa]

@@jaybee27D I disagree. I prefer most or all fights to contribute meaningfully to the theme and the climax to be resolved by a resolution of that theme and statement of the moral, rather than coming off as Might Makes Right without laying out the accompanying ethical triumph. I do like Iron-man's final words and act being to stand up and take responsibility by declaring himself as Iron Man in a mirror to how his arc began in his solo movies, but I'd really want all of that dialogue given in this video between Tony's snap and his death to then be given by other characters instead, in the closing scenes, re-verbalizing his convictions and vowing to honor him by working with his legacy.

[@jaybee27D]

@@Arvensa I don’t mean to imply I’m opposed to philosophy being conveyed through film. That’s entirely the goal, it’s not great when the conflict is purely physical. My criticism is that the film is forcing in too much explicit description of these themes to the audience. It’s far from subtle enough, personally.

[@mr.moviemafia]

This sounds like either a 10-hour movie or a TV season’s worth of story. I’d be 100% down to watch it either way though!

[@sunflowerbagel]

this would be absolutely awful if it were shoved into a single movie, but if it was split into 2 parts it would be absolutely PERFECT

[@mish8753]

a finale trilogy lmao, that would be crazy, infinity war endgame and endgame 2 electric boogaloo

[@stellathefoxgirl3648]

yeah, i adore this version a lot, but funnily enough, endgame does not have enough runtime for all this so i guess we'd have to get a third shorter part?

[@jaycemcqueen306]

Awful is a strong word for someone with that username

[@Soda_Bobinski]

​@@jaycemcqueen306okay Jayce McQueen 306

[@corellioncrusaderproductio4679]

@@jaycemcqueen306 Come on, don't be like that lol

[@Umcarasemvideo]

1:16:55 Makes more sense than the actual movie to be honest. We never see why this one singular universe is so special that it has to go the way it did, your change actually justifies it.

[@umbrascitor2079]

We never see it, but I think it was simple enough to understand that Thanos is strong enough and unstoppable enough that there may be plenty of ways to _almost_ defeat him or _briefly_ get the gauntlet off him but for Thanos to get back the upper hand before they finish the job. Or they do defeat Thanos but one of his loyal generals completes the task for him. Since they already established that Thanos is effective and resourceful enough to beat down the two strongest Avengers within the first five minutes of runtime, I don't think they need to hold the audience's hand to carefully explain the reason why beating him is a 1 in 14m chance. We should just... understand those odds when Dr. Strange tells us so. To secure a thorough victory, they needed Thanos and his army all in one place, and to capture the stones in some form other than Thanos's gauntlet so that someone with smaller/weaker hands could snap it. Maybe there were other ways to accomplish this, but Strange took 14m tries just to find this one. ... I think the multiple-timelines Thanoses angle was the weak spot of this rewrite because it bloats the plot with way more ideas than the story needs, and is so convoluted that the idea that the Avengers could solve this problem _across the multiverse_ stretches believability way more than anything that happened in original-recipe Endgame. Did Thanos really only spread the word to two other selves, then call those specific ones he was relying on (and only those ones) to help him in the fight _while not trusting their competence_ enough to let them bring more infinity stones? That's a really big mistake in a story that paints Thanos as a tactical mastermind while strongly de-emphasizing his ego. Also, this makes multiverse-level threats look easy to solve before the studio was even ready to introduce the multiverse.

[@cewla3348]

@@umbrascitor2079 other stones don't work in other universes

[@OogaBooga24723]

@@cewla3348then what happened in endgame?? They were going to different universes, they weren’t time traveling, and what if’s season 1 & 2 finale? That is a comic thing.

[@NotTsurugi]

This version of Thanos' master plan is fucking brilliant and I would much rather acknowledge this as the canonical "Endgame" rather than the one we got. It was a good movie, but it wasn't what had been hyped up for over a decade.

[@chrisherber1635]

Infinity war is the movie that lived up to the hype

[@sidsrivastava6987]

@@chrisherber1635you’re 100% right. It’s their one movie that’s truly a masterpiece

[@thoththeatlantean1226]

@@sidsrivastava6987its not even a masterpiece be real, theres a reason why we can even discuss and critique movies, there are movies that are objectively masterpieces and infinity war cannot compare in any way (Blade runner or Blade runner 2049, Fear and Loathing in las Vegas, Pontypool, The thing, the matrix, a dark song, etc)

[@janmaciejewski7273]

@@chrisherber1635 Infinity war is literally just 2 hour long trailer xd Hard to call it standalone movie.

[@irrelevanttroll3312]

​@@janmaciejewski7273bro realized what "to be continued" means and called it a trailer ur dense

[@Piecklvr]

Favorite parts of the rewritten version: -When hulk and banner finally work together. The tension of the scene on top of the logic that lead to it and how they were able to relate over natashas death is great. Also seeing hulk fight calculatively is an awesome mental image -Thor and Nebulas dialogue and Thor’s character growth from it. The way she scoffed at his one failure puts a lot in perspective over how much she has suffered and in the same note how little (comparatively) he has. Nebula of all people showing how there is pride that comes with the scars and failures does a lot for her character and also is a great way to spark a compelling and realistic drive for Thor -The use of the stones throughout the battle bc awesome, and why wouldn’t you -The use of different terrain throughout the battle bc awesome, and why wouldn’t you -Bringing in younger thanos and showing how he has changed not only new and exciting but also adds more weight to thanos’ character. It provides a reason to not just randomly change his whole character in the end by just becoming a mad tyrant who wants to kill everyone. -Utilizing the axe more -Making CPT Marvel not dreadful to watch by giving her an interesting role in all of it -Showing the emotion rocket has built up inside him And there’s a lot more but those were my favorites. I do think that with all that is happening in it, it could almost be overwhelming but still really good job:)

[@luiscarmona7948]

The scene where Nebula and Thor talk about failure hits so hard with me. There is pride that comes with failure is something I have slowly been learning in life and is what has helped me grow the most as a person.

[@agiammarco94]

@@luiscarmona7948 There's a couple things i would change though. For one Thanos is much older than 1000 years since he's an eternal. The second thing I would change is that Thor's fall into depression isn't just about his failure to stop Thanos, but also his failures in the past. This Thor is about 1000 years old. In the span of about 10 years (like maybe a month in his lifespan or so) he lose his father, his mother, his brother, his sister he just found out about, his home, and the majority of his people (culled by Thanos in Infinity War and then possibly again with the snap). So I think that there should be a little more there, and maybe even some interactions with Thanos since he was the cause of a lot of those losses for Thor

[@GearShotgun]

I absolutely love this rewrite. The idea of Thanos orchestrating an “Omniversal-snap” which is what kept the avengers from winning in all but one timeline isnt just brilliant and a better explanation than “he’s just too powerful for us to defeat”, but also a great way to raise the stakes even higher than they were in the last movie, which shouldn’t have even been possible.

[@kevandre]

I don't think this works as a film, at all. However, this works great as a novel.

[@coreythepeanut]

That’s true, it’s hard to recreate such things on the big screen, that’s why Harry Potter wasn’t 100% screen-accurate

[@alphacenturi5117]

Or if they used three movies instead of two.

[@Olortegui14]

You’re right, this doesn’t work great as a film…. But it would work great as 2 films lol

[@frusteratedpenguin]

or at least a comic book

[@Bane_questionmark]

@@Olortegui14 Avengers Part 3: Infinity War Part 2: Endgame Part 2

[@KnightEclipser]

I like how you've given Captain Marvel a larger role in this movie, having her be the one to bring back the dusted, properly making her a bigger and more important character as teased in Infinity War's post-credits stinger and the fact that she had an entire solo film to herself that ended off teasing the pager again.

[@CrossOutBryce]

The snap chain Thanos starts by traveling to other universes and informing himself on how to win is SO COOL. It also makes sense logically as to why Doctor Strange only saw one timeline where they won. Sadly, I think it would've felt overwhelming for many. General audiences just now wrapped their head around the Multiverse with Loki, What-If, and Spider-Man.

[@tord4336]

multivers storys has been in mainstream storys for decades

[@anticlimacticstegosaurus2647]

The other timelines are not in different universes, they’re in the same universe.

[@charles3840]

Nah, people could get that. Honestly, I think people often underestimate how much a general audience can understand complex story threads or overestimate how much of a need they have to understand. Meaning, if the average movie goer doesn't understand what was said in a story, they will usually suspend their confusion because either the characters seem to understand what is going on (and that's good enough for them to continue enjoying the story) or see other movie goers understanding (and they don't want to break ranks). So, they just ignore their confusion. (And if they're desperate to know, they'll go down a Wikipedia rabbit hole to understand later.)

[@JamesTaylor117]

Wait, are you saying the Thanos Chain idea is _more_ confusing than the official MCU multiverse mess ?

[@chidorirasenganz]

@@JamesTaylor117 it’s pretty straightforward

[@joecroft4274]

I really like how you made Thanos' plan go from being purely cold logic to all out obsessive insanity with the reveal that he went to other universes.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. It shows that Thanos isn't just some maniacal monster, but someone who came from the right place and with the right goal, who went more and more extreme along the way.

[@johnhogue9402]

There was never anything logical about Thanos’ plan. It was insanity from the start.

[@SimplySoulius]

The part where Thanos speaks to other universe versions of himself and ensures their victory kind of makes sense because Strange did look at 14 million other futures and they only win in their own.

[@nataleynakata3687]

Nebula: *triumphantly* "I just can't stop failing you, can I, Father?" Thor: *too messed up to even cheer, but gives a weakly hearty chuckle*

[@gentxnova]

My favorite lines hands down: 33:34 “Calculated risk!” 1:10:38 “Where do you think I got my powers from?” 1:19:44 “We missed you too bud…” 1:26:08 “It’s about how you *execute* them!”

[@cameronblanchette6687]

"I dont watch because I want to, i watch because i should." Was my favorite

[@blueberrycrepes]

Drax's "I killed your son" is up there on my list

[@cameronblanchette6687]

@@blueberrycrepes that one is a good one

[@z3ckr0m96]

"I'm talking about the suit. Keep up kid" 😂😭

[@Ghost-nj7nj]

"The work wasn't finished." Chilling line.

[@AlphaStoutland]

While I did like Endgame, HOLY CRAP this would've been incredible. And you made Captain Marvel a good character, bravo!

[@robertwyatt3912]

27:16 it wasn’t in a day. Remember- theyre dealing with time travel. They could take as much time as they needed, since 5 years after the snap would still be 5 years after the snap, no matter what time you’re coming from. I think the biggest flaw about your rewrite is that you just don’t think nonlinearly with your time travel.

[@alecshockowitz8385]

I think its okay to keep time travel fairly linear, and not as convoluted in a movie like this. Characters can sometimes make 'bad' choices in movies, if it makes it make more sense and creates a more compelling plot. One issue with the video is that if this infinite chain has already begun, wouldn't the whole chain of them spreading to other universes complete instantaneously? Since time is non-linear. It'd create an infinite number of Thanos' who have won in their own universe, not just a couple. There would need to be some sort of explanation for why they haven't already spread throughout the multiverses. I get why old Thanos would want to stay and fight the Avengers, to stop them from building a plan where they can time travel and stop Thanos, but why would the younger versions of himself, who effectively have infinite time show up to the fight at all, rather than completing their objective?

[@sopapopp]

Homestuck pfp checks out

[@MrKhalifa9000]

yeah he doesnt understand the time travel at all clearly. and the rewrite is so convoluted and confusing w young and old thanos like what. the movie worked already as is

[@bradleypalmer9953]

I'd love to do a critique of the whole thing, but that would be too big for a comment. I'll say that you've succeeded in your goal of making Thanos better in endgame, and filled in some plot holes. But the clever one liners and last words from Tony detract from the impact of his snap. He knew it would kill him, so he chose his last words. "I am Iron Man"

[@Drekromancer]

This is my biggest critique as well. Thanos and Iron Man's death scenes were perfect - especially given the uncharacteristic silence of Tony's death. It adds weight to his sacrifice; not even the genius billionaire playboy philanthropist can muster up a quip anymore.

[@Hornt2088]

10/10 this movie would have been so long but you put so much care in to meticulously designing the character interactions and the scene

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Let's call it the Avengers Snyder Cut :D

[@matthewfulton977]

“We all stand on the shoulders of giants.” Would be a good line for Iron Man at the end. It alludes to the whole science, learning and humility aspect Iron Man is putting his faith in.

[@sycariummoonshine7134]

too cliche

[@jackradovich1610]

Bro the line was perfect, this is why people like you dont write movies

[@jackradovich1610]

@@sycariummoonshine7134 pop off man, I was replying to the guy who made the original comment. I’m agreeing with you

[@sycariummoonshine7134]

@@jackradovich1610 Ahh... I'm an idiot

[@darrylwayne1292]

Cringe and too fanfic-ish

[@phoenix_dreams6206]

A Captain Marvel rewrite would be interesting, just from how broken that movie is in many places. For critiques of your rewrite, the biggest problem with it I can see is the Nebula and Thor scene. Thor's entire character arch is built on his failure and his getting back up again throughout every movie. That is one of the reasons I hated seeing him degenerate into fat Thor and become the butt of every joke. Him not being able to state when he has failed is ridiculous. Nebula may have been taken to pieces, but his failure led to half of the Asgards to die from Thanos along with Loki right after he thought them rescued. That is not a matter of "pride".

[@KingSpectre844]

Thing is though, each time Thor failed in his previous films, he was able to bounce back and succeed the next time he tried. He never had to stew in failure for a protracted period of time. Thanos was the first time he failed against the same obstacle twice, and had to just deal with it.

[@thexenosaiyan]

Thor has failed before He's never failed TWICE before. That deterioration is what happens naturally

[@Drekromancer]

@@thexenosaiyan Well said. I think that's the kicker: permanent consequences. Thor has failed before - but he's always been able to make up for it, more or less. That is, until Infinity War and Endgame, where he fails to stop Thanos from wiping out his brother, his best friend, and half of all life in the universe. And then, like you said, he just sits in it. This is what proves you right, in my eyes. At the beginning of Endgame, Thor does his normal, heroic bounce back. But once he finds Thanos, it becomes clear that no amount of heroism will be able to reverse the snap. That's when he lashes out, killing Thanos in a sad, limited, and fruitless effort to fix the problem. And that's when he self-destructs.

[@spritemon98]

I hated fat thor

[@KingSpectre844]

@@Drekromancer Elegantly put, Ben.

[@somedood07]

That scene with Rocket near the end made, me, tear, up. Such a good way of pointing out their flaws but making him feel like so much more than comic relief.

[@indatube]

Corvus Glaive is actually a great pick for his longtime second in command, as his dark matter staff also keeps him immortal as long as he wields it, enabling him to stay by Thanos' side, but forever being a "child" in his eyes. That's how he became a sycophantic zealot.

[@djune5735]

I feel that in the soul stone scene when Thanos states to Gamora that’ll he come back for her, she should respond something to the effect of “I won’t go back, not with you.” While I think how you’ve written the scene here definitely portrays his (super abusive) ‘love’ for her it doesn’t show her feelings on the matter. Plus this change potentially sets up a nice contrast for when the Guardians come rescue her in a future movie.

[@eliotharrell6061]

I love that you kept the trademark marvel quips and humor, like at the end when iron man says he’s talking about the suits he designed. Love them or hate them, marvel jokes are a staple and it wouldn’t be a marvel movie without them. I feel like the balance between humor and seriousness was perfect in this rewrite.

[@Pandora_The_Panda]

Yes what he did right in his rewrite is not undermine serious character moments with quips, so the tone switches aren't too jarring. (And for Tony sarcasm in the most dire situation is also just in character and adds to the bittersweetness of it.)

[@detectivealex12]

1:26:20 I think it makes the most sense for Tony to say the “ideas are cheap” part, blast Thanos, then say “It’s about how you execute them.” It would have probably looked cooler than “ideas are cheap,” prime, “it’s about how you execute them,” blast.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

I think the 'ideas are cheap' set of quips, while good, fit better if Tony *isn't* dying. As his final line 'I am Iron Man' is the most appropriate.

[@detectivealex12]

@@ThedarkbunnyrabbitTrue

[@DrBusiness9]

Comedically I agree, but those classic one liners always have a pause and then the death after the line is finished… just semantics anywasy

[@undeadman7676]

@@DrBusiness9 The point here would be that Tony isn't saying it for Thanos' sake. It's almost like he's finally convinced himself that, for once, his approach to philosophy was actually correct. The first Avengers movie highlights Tony's desire to enact his will toward the concept of "the greater good". He sacrifices his own well-being to send a nuke into space because he doesn't view his life as more valuable than the entirety of New York. His basic philosophical framework and character arc is set. The second Avengers movie leaves Tony Stark somewhat traumatized from the attempted self-sacrifice, and the invasion in general, and starts to think about taking preventative measures. "These threats will always exist and will always try to minimize good outcomes, so I should strike first". This obviously blows up in his face, as he ends up creating his own worst nightmare. He then lets his same reckless behavior create YET ANOTHER potential risk in the form of Vision, although the result this time is "good". The "Greater Good" was achieved, but at what cost? The Civil War has Stark confronting his failed philosophical framework, adopting a new one of interventionism. "I have too much power, so something needs to keep me in check". He sides with the UN's Sokovia Accords and gives away his autonomy because he believes that his own power ultimately diminishes the amount of good he can do. He needs somebody else to focus that power in the right direction. In Avengers 3, he is confronted with his former philosophy: "I have power, so I should use it for my own purposes to enact my own "greater good"." Thanos is a direct mirror image of Tony's own former self, and maybe he even starts to buy into it a little bit. But ultimately, he recognizes that Thanos just murdered half of the universe, so his old way of thinking clearly wasn't correct. "Ideas are cheap" *shoots former self* *speaks to current self* "It's about how you execute them".

[@myth86715]

I really enjoyed this. I particularly liked the way Captain Marvel was used, since it restricted her power and ability to fight in a logical way. The only real criticism I have is Tony talking in the end. To me it just felt like the silent visual cues carried more weight than any last words could. And leaving a hologram recording with his final words, as was done in the original movie, felt more fitting for Tony

[@SinnohGreen]

I think cutting out Thor's pep talk with his Mum makes him so much less in a Role model. That scene was an alpha Male who'd completely lost everything. All he needed to remind him that he was good enough, was to expose his insecurities to someone he can trust. That's something that a lot of men needed to see. After that, he sees that he is worthy because of who he is.

[@rickamsler3088]

which in the rewrite has a decent counterpart in the discussion with nebula.

[@triceratops7084]

It was a basic bitch scene we've seen 10.000 times before lets be real

[@johnwebster3d]

I really like most of the rewrite. The changes to Thor, and making Strange's plan and quote tie in better, keeping older Thanos as the final boss instead of a time-displaced stranger, these are all great in idea and execution. Giving Drax a moment of extracting revenge on Thanos is a great beat too. I know Dave Bautista has wished he could do something with that in Endgame, and this works well. I do not like the post-final-snap changes. Let Thanos take his defeat and despair. It's part of the catharsis of victory for our heroes and introducing "But what about the NEXT Thanos" here takes away from the finality. I also prefer the original take on Tony's last moments, and what he really needed to hear was Pepper going "It's ok, you can rest now" were stronger. The other big thing is that when they are debating the merits of the snap, I don't think Thanos should make any progress at all. Every argument he makes should just get clowned on by the heroes in a clear reverse of Thanos's dominating physical fights. Because our heroes are AVENGERS, it should keep tying back to the ideas of loss and misery caused by the snap and other attrocities. When we look in on planets that have been effected by Thanos's snap or conventional slaughter, we see societies that are basically stagnating in despair and loss. Thanos's solution is a failure. It is too much for many people to take. But Thanos is too stubborn and proud to accept that. Just like he can't accept that he was a horrible, abusive father to both Gamorra and Nebula. And we can cap it with a call-out to Thanos's comic-book motivation. "You never really loved Gamorra. All you love is telling yourself you're right, and death." and maybe Thor could quip in "And you weren't Hela's type anyway."

[@andrewsigler7437]

Hela isn't death itself.

[@RedCornix]

I think the story would be better if the snap was changed. Make the lives a trade off for some kind of tangible benefit. The flaws in Thanos's plan are so obvious it's weird that he thinks it'll work in the first place. It's so distracting it actually hurts the plot. I think that's where the real issue is. monstrous

[@bulletproofwhale5869]

I love this. Keeping in some MCU humor with our heroes clowning Thanos is something we needed.

[@empressofhearts7300]

I don't feel like the snap idea should be failure entirely. Lets have it to "it works, but at a cost humanity is not willing to pay" idea, and so keep the heroes mocking Thanos with that

[@cheloxmv]

@@empressofhearts7300 The problem is that the snap and Thanos' idea is just dumb. It can't work in any logical way.

[@tieranalexander4475]

My logical reason for Thanos going insane is this one line from Antman. "The process is highly volatile. If one isn't protected by a specialized helmet, it can affect the brain's chemistry." - Hank Pym Thanos shrunk to travel through time without wearing a helmet so he went insane. Always wear a helmet kids.

[@loganshalloe5927]

Lol even if there's a logical explanation, it doesn't make it satisfying for his character

[@anarchomando7707]

@@loganshalloe5927 and this is why I hate why they rewritten his actual goal in Infinity war and before Thanos was a simp for death herself he wanted to fuck her So he decided the only way to court her was to kill half the universe It makes perfect sense he's a mad Titan

[@iantaakalla8180]

When Thanos is Wanda in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness

[@lucifermagne7458]

I really like your past Thanos idea. It makes so much sense. As for Corvus Glaive, in the comics he is able to come back every time he's killed, as long as his weapon is intact. So him being back with young Thanos works really well

[@pixlv6384]

The drax thing is brilliant. It's probably funnier than most of the endgame humor

[@MagerBlutooth]

Something that occurs to me about this rewrite is that the Avengers go into the past and encounter Young Thanos, which just so happens to be one of the two younger Thanoses in the infinite multiverse that Thanos used to start his chain, which gave Young Thanos the edge that allowed him to come back to the present and eventually restore original Thanos. It's possible to consider that if you were to go to the past, you would end up in the same universe as someone else that went back in time, but then I'm not sure how you would get to a different universe. After they get stranded in the Garden, Thanos says he will keep them there until the other Thanoses start propagating his chain, thereby making the omnisnap too powerful to stop. It doesn't occur to me how Thanos is waiting for something to happen in the past. It seems like the line between "in the past" and "in another dimension" has gotten blurred by that point in the rewrite, to the point where Young Thanoses are operating in real time somehow. It requires some form of "meta-time" to conceptualize, where the process of creating the chain takes a form of time that transcends how we understand minutes and hours. "The work wasn't done" is a fantastic line that feels like a natural extension of Thanos's philosophy from Infinity War and keeps him "in the game," helping to raise the stakes in a believable way. It would provide a realistic reason as to why he wouldn't destroy the stones in Endgame, but the inevitable result would certainly make for a complex predicament. If Thanos were to start his chain, assuming he could only contact two other Thanoses, they would realistically only need the Time Stone to continue the chain. Once the chain started, the Avengers could only really stop it by using the Pym particles to start a "counter-chain", providing Avengers from other universes the information to stop Thanos before he can snap. It seems like it would result in an eternal conflict, where there would always be some universe somewhere where the Avengers and Thanos are still fighting for the stones, since any one of them could end up using the Time Stone, Pym Particles, etc. at any point to keep it going. "Bend like gold" strikes me as a line that would feel off for mainstream audiences, since it requires the knowledge that gold is a soft metal to understand. For those that don't have that knowledge, it sounds odd for Thanos to insult Tony by saying he's like gold, a precious metal we commonly associate with status and value. In terms of alternative lines, I'm sure there are many alternative metals or objects that could replace 'gold'. The first thing that came to mind for me was playing on the fact that Tony hasn't fought in awhile by calling him "rusty", but that's may be too juvenile for a Thanos combat quote. The reunion of the Guardians, Nebula's conversation with Thor, and Banner's merging with Hulk were the stand-out bits of original dialogue from my viewing. The Nebula convo did have a sense where one side forgets all their strong arguments so the other side can have more of a point, since Thor lost a lot more than just his eye, but I liked the integration of Nebula's mostly artificial body into her point. It makes it a speech which only Nebula can give, in a way that puts emphasis on who she is as a person rather than who she knows (Gamora/Thanos). If I were to watch the scene in a film as I envision it, it would be the most prominent scene of Nebula in any Marvel movie I've seen. Your point about Thanos Endgame =/= Thanos Infinity War mirrors my thoughts on it perfectly. The Avengers are fighting against the villain everyone was expecting Thanos to be based on his appearances from Guardians and the 6 years of buildup. Endgame Thanos went through no sacrifice and no on-screen struggle, so all of the investment is on the side of the hero. It's the narrative equivalent to when a human-looking villain in Power Rangers transforms into one of the goofy rubber monster villains. Beyond the physical fight, the Avengers had a ideological battle with Thanos in Infinity War that Endgame robs us of. They never had a chance to make a counterargument against the 50/50 snap and instead are tasked to argue against the 100/0 snap, which only the most fervent anti-natalist could justify. All things considered, an interesting rewrite with a lot of solid ideas. Mostly needs a good deal of streamlining and the ability to reconcile the always-troublesome time travel mechanics.

[@GrimoireM]

The Two Younger Thanos problem is mostly solved by the Soul Stone exchange needing to happen on an exact point in time in that universe, Which Dr Strange found with the Time Stone. However, that Thanos doesn't have the Reality Stone, which could be necessary (along with the Time and Space Stones) to planeshift through the multiverse in the first place, so he could just beeline to that point asap. If that exact Younger Thanos dies before he ever contacts any unnecessary future Thanos in-between, then the whole thing breaks cleanly, so all points wind up converging there. Thankfully, there is a fix for this in-universe. You can have a post-credits version of the exchange scene where Dr Strange, Captain Marvel and Nebula warp to the exact point to clean things up, but someone from the Time Variance Authority is already there, with Loki, and Loki realizes they have to explain how the hell they're involved in this whole mess and they're really not happy about it. That cliffhanger's used to hook people into that show, where this all gets resolved in one of the episodes of the next season.

[@bisnesify]

What about Wanda though: "you took everything from me". I so wanted the real Thanos to hear those words and feel the pain she inflicts on him.

[@webbedshadow2601]

Wanda is just too OP

[@nacho2000]

It's far too convoluted, but far more compelling. It would be very difficult to explain everything, considering not all people understood how the time travel worked in the first place. Also, giving these moments to these characters could take moments from Ironman, making his sacrifice less compelling

[@BobbinRobbin777]

but hey, we can just leave that to the mcu youtubers to recap and explain everything! am i right?

[@christianmccauley7340]

Honestly, this rewrite should be cut up into two movies, endgame part one and two. Then I think it could work. Give people a week or so to chew on the first half before releasing the second.

[@dandanthedandan7558]

This is why I'm getting more into long stories that takes a half a dozen hours up to days to binge. The longer runtime just becomes more compelling

[@belenhernandoscocchi649]

I honestly didn't find ironmans sacrifice that compelling, and having him fight for every success more in this version, coupled with him tricking thanos for a month, really reminds you what his character really is all about. I didn't miss tony at all after endgame (i found it annoying that he continued dominating spiderman's movies after his death) but i feel like i would miss the tony in the rewrite

[@pokemonmaster0079]

@@christianmccauley7340 This one actually feels more like a series, especially given the month long downtime between big momentous scenes.

[@Vi_Vi_1]

The chain you created, and Dr Strange having to give up the Time stone for a REAL PURPOSE, is SO COOL. I really, really love that idea. It not only builds on the character Thanos knows in a real way (he would totally start that chain) but it really does tie back to that scene, establish the multiverse, and make everything feel so much more epic. Love this whole thing!! I realize this would probably have to be two movies but i don't care XD

[@JTtheMid]

That Nebula and Thor scene with failure is the best god damn thing I've heard in a long time. Absolutely phenomenal

[@SpaceLemon.]

My only issue is that Marvel goes from being an overpowered answer to Thanos's physical dominance to a mcguffin damsel. Also, damn it's sad that your ending for Tony felt so much better and more in line with the character. Fuck it, your whole rewrite felt better in terms of consistant characterization.

[@linkandshiek5522]

The best thing Marvel ever did with the character was to make her a mcguffin damsel to give Rogue more power

[@yemmohater2796]

I'd have to disagree considering how every time she escapes the mind control, she's doing major damage to Thanos' forces here (save for her being used to Snap with Tony, which could've been more of a character moment between them)

[@Spoobley]

I think taking her from being overpowered and kinda nerfing her by making her a bit of a damsel or a problem would be more interesting than her just staying overpowered.

[@litrogue6328]

You're right it was a misogynistic pandering attempt

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

The mcguffin damsel thing is an issue, but considering she does basically nothing in the original Endgame it's hard to say if it's better or worse.

[@LucyTheBox]

Man, it took 3 years, but I finally found someone who put the problem I had with Thanos into words

[@sofialouised]

I absolutely love the idea of the snapped people being in the soul stone and sorta like, trapped in time. So cool.

[@miket7869]

Your characterization of Thanos and his past self was so brilliantly executed! And the conflict of dealing with the intricacies of the timeline reads almost comical (I mean that I'm the best way possible) I almost feel obligated to accept this as canon, this is a real epic

[@juicyjuustar121]

As much as I love this, I fully understand that they really just couldn't. It'd be WAY too long, or WAY too rushed, and even if it wasn't or it was split into two movies, it would be too much for the general audience. The original definitely could have used a lot of changes, but this would probably go over everyone's heads. I don't really think they could pull something like this off, is all.

[@Powerman293]

The Thanos Chain idea defintley seems like something they'd do for Kang for something. Wouldn't be surprised if a similar idea is implemented in Kang Dynasty.

[@DrBusiness9]

Not in the way they marketed these two movies no, but in a trilogy…

[@The_Hatt]

Yeah it think the loose ends of rushed arcs would have been solved if they made it a three parter.

[@Notashthetrash2477]

The hulk banner scene was amazing and better than the deleted scene one, also you unintentionally made a version of endgame has more build up to the eternals

[@GameGod77]

I really like what you did with the time stone and creating a chain of multiversal Thanos'. I know a big problem people had with endgame was using the Pym particles for time travel, because now time travel just exists in the MCU so you have to come up with excuses to not use it as a solution in future movies. Plus it keeps Thanos more true to his character in infinity war, so good job on that. I also like the change to give professor Hulk a proper introduction scene instead of just being "a thing that happened" off screen. You miss out on the meme of Hulk dabbing, but I think it's worth the trade off. Not feeling that hot on the dialogue you wrote for Iron man at the end. Yeah it's in character for him to be cracking jokes, but I think that scene works better when played straight and showing him as so weak after snapping that he can barely keep his eyes open, let alone talk.

[@thehomieq]

Tony last words shouldn’t be executed but … as Thanos says you can’t kill an idea but Tony looks back at the rest of the battle damaged avengers and says “your right, but will will avenge them”

[@master0fthearts894]

1:11:06 Dude, I would *love* a Captain Marvel rewrite. Not to mention, you’ve been on a *roll* with these rewrites as of late. Amazing job, man! 👏 👏👏👏👏

[@kieran10202]

I like this version a lot more than the original version. It feels coherent where Endgame felt like a bunch of post-it notes stuck together.

[@edguizar1907]

I think the only bad thing about this would be how complicated it’d be for the casual audience.

[@master0fthearts894]

1:09:08 I love this idea, don’t get me wrong, but remember-Thanos destroyed the space stone earlier in the movie, so Stormbreaker wouldn’t be able to cut through any portals because they weren’t made yet, remember?

[@blakethomas3366]

That’s what I was thinking too, but I suppose the portals could be like the reality portals in Thor: The Dark World maybe? But then what’s to stop him from using that to get off the planet himself since that now just makes the reality stone a better space stone. The spectacle of seeing the axe cut through everything does sound dope as fuck though

[@izukumidoriya8600]

​@@blakethomas3366 Perhaps Reality portals can only portal where the user can see while Space portals can go anywhere accurately, you could also make a Reality portal anywhere but you don't have the targetting system

[@lazerstudios9982]

My favorite part was the Hulk. It reminded me of Immortal Hulk in a way, and it's something I think the MCU had been missing since The Incredible Hulk. Not only that, but Thanos feels more compelling here than even in Infinity War. This is how you do a villain, and this is how you write a hero, and this is how you write a movie. This is genius

[@HankDeTank05]

the concept of the 1 in 14,000,605 in conjunction with the cascading thanoses and snaps across the multiverse is an insane science fiction concept and I’m SO here for it

[@tindevlar]

That Drax and Thanos bit was actually freaking hillarious.

[@robertlincourt8422]

THAT ONE LINER YOU GAVE TONY WAS INSANE. It gave me the same reaction that “On your left” did in theaters

[@yousufelazhary5894]

27:15 "For a whole army?! And a ship?! In a day?!" Well realistically, considering time travel was involved they wouldn't need to do it in a day, they could take as much time as necessary and Nebula would just bring them in whenever they were finished.

[@ebasongaming]

The line at 50:07 makes the title "Infinity War" even more fitting now lol (I know this is Endgame, but STILL that's good)

[@joanahkirk338]

As someone who enjoyed Endgame as it was, this definitely could've added layers to it, though it might've added like an hour of content to it. Though I do prefer Thanos' last lines being "I am inevitable" and Tony's being "and I am ironman" more subtle. Then Fat thor, hey man, I like seeing fat superheroes, I think it's still fine, don't need him to slim up for the final fight, though I suppose he could do some sit ups regardless.

[@alecshockowitz8385]

It would add quite a bit, but it would also cut a lot of the runtime for the time travel scenes, and more could be cut from the very beginning, or the very beginning could be restructured to show that Thanos' plan was effective/ineffective.

[@sspectre8217]

The one edit I would do to how he handled fat Thor is that after the month has passed he's not really lost much fat but he has gotten noticeably stronger so he has a more mature yet powerful body shape, trim the beard and the hair a bit too. He'd be giving mad DILF energy and would acknowledge that he has changed and is more experienced but he's not scar free. Also maybe lose the bionic eye too, say it got damaged when fighting against Thanos before he destroyed the space stone, he'd look even more badass.

[@allisond1645]

@@sspectre8217 came here to say just this! He can be strong and powerful/badass without completely slimming down lol

[@vzxai4275]

Someone said it had to scroll forever

[@askinredroads5132]

I only think Thor should be fat if it’s not just for a joke.

[@andrewlopezmp3]

Great video. Really solves the dramatic tension, but still quite clunky and a bit contrived.

[@-MrFozzy-]

Sir….I’ve watched a lot of rewrite vids. Your thanos and especially Hulk/Banner rewrite is absolutely BRILLIANT. So much deeper and satisfying. Amazing work, amazing channel….amazing shirt

[@JonSwansonE]

The "one chance" explanation is SO good. It's the only explanation wild enough to justify the odds given. Like in the canonical story, they almost won anyways and would have if Quill could chill the hell out for a minute. There wasn't a universe in which Strange coaches Quill to keep it together? No, this chain reaction that you need to be in a position to stop lest it consume you unawares is way better. But what's up with all the portals Thanos keeps creating without the space stone my dude? That is bothering me a bit

[@briarose1234]

i think he was using captain marvel to make them, or the creator forgot that he was using captain marvel and thought he still had the space stone

[@undeadman7676]

@@briarose1234 yeah, this is probably it. He says multiple times "all 5 stones" during the final battle, even though the space stone is gone.

[@theendersmirk5851]

In fairness, Strange wasn't seeing every universe, he was seeing every permutation of his own actions. Apparently Quill was too headstrong to do his job without screwing it up no matter how Strange coached the reveal, so he just didn't bother, and tried to figure out an option where he eventually won. For all intents and purposes his part of the battle was delaying the time as an RNG manipulation so that the right people would and would not be snapped away.

[@ursamajor7]

the fact that Thanos recognizes nebula as soon as she says "I'm your greatest failure" 😂😭

[@Doddser]

I really like a lot of elements to this, but I felt as though there were like 3 third acts. The whole hanging with Thanos on the planet is interesting, but I feel like it needs to be way earlier to allow it not feel like a brick wall for the pacing. The structure falls apart a bit. I love the whole concept of Thanos creating a chain but I wasn't really able to follow exactly how stopping him after he already had started it undid the original? I usually can follow time travel plots, but I was still a little unclear. Maybe he should come up with that idea and they just have to stop him from executing it. I like captain marvel being used as a stone but maybe more setup is needed? I think her being there when Tony snaps is also just a little silly visually. I understand the want to have Tony speak after his snap, but to be honest it deflated so much of the emotional rawness of that scene for me. Him being totally fine and able to quip right up to keeling over is too much. I like Thanos using HIS last moments to speak, but maybe something a little more self reflective. I like the line Tony has in a vacuum (it's a well thought out line), but again, it's too much for this scene. The real endgame made Tony's snap feel so brutal, and I'd hesitate to remove that. He sacrifices everything, including a proper goodbye. Thor also should not speak after Tony snaps, he come to the same conclusion later (maybe talking to Nebula or something?), but him having the conclusion to his character arc right after Tony's snap really robs the limelight. Also there's a lot of characters having big monologues mid fight/scene - way too much dialogue to fit between swings. I really loved your Guardians reunion, really felt earned and heartfelt, and btw I completely agree with your take on Gamora's pseudo resurrection in the original film. To be honest I think you kept too much of the original film, whereas you should have just completely gone from scratch. The whole time heist really doesn't feel like it fits any more, and maybe they should get the stones some other way? I saw you made the thumbnail someone else's comment about this movie being 7 hours long, so obvs you're aware of this but yeh it would be insanely dense if not insanely long. Really like the whole Professor Hulk thing - again, feels like that's where Act 3 starts but then everything slows down again a few more times. I'd worry a little about in this version making Nat's death come across as "fridging" her for the sake of Hulk's development. Obviously we know she dies in the real one without impacting Hulk, but were this the version that came out in cinemas, it may feel a bit like that. Thor's development is really nice here, far superior to "fat joke" Thor in the real movie. I love the whole thing of him admitting that he can't beat Thanos, followed by "You don't have to beat him, you just have to stall him". That is a little stroke of genius. I'm a little conflicted on young Thanos. I think it's a cool thing to show the differences between him and our modern day Thanos, but again there's so much else going on that he's practically an entirely new villain that ends up dying half way through the first act 3. There's so much in this version that you could split Endgame into a further two movies. I agree that the original Thanos needs to return for the finale, and I don't even know how the hell I would achieve that, but any time travelling past Thanos kinda complicates things regardless of whether or not you trade him back for original Thanos. He doesn't really serve much of a purpose other than getting back original Thanos, whom we could have not killed at the start, or used his own time travel/multiverse plan to bring back, without involving another version. As much as I enjoy the original "I went for the head" moment from the real endgame, it may just be best to avoid it for this version. Your idea that he doesn't go for the head again, but on purpose this time, is really interesting and a subversion of the obvious idea. Maybe Thanos lives his time out peacefully in the garden over the five years, but somehow he's reinvolved, or the timetravelling avengers go to the one point they know the stones are all in the one place at the one time - on Thanos after the snap. I dunno lmao this is just spitballin at this point. Anyway those are just my very initial raw thoughts after finishing the video for the first time. I have a feeling I'll probably rewatch it again in the future, but you asked for feedback!!! Overall though I did really enjoy the video and really appreciate a lot of your ideas, and think they do overall provide a more cohesive whole than the original did with infinity war

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

Largely agree with everything you said here. Well put.

[@AliceIsSleepy]

This is pretty well written, but I'll shine some light on the one aspect you said you didn't understand : Thanos, by himself, went to other timelines he was defeated in twice to snap himself, and twice to help their version of himself achieve his plan much earlier and without resistance. He couldn't do more, because even his own body wasn't enough to be completely immune to the stones, so he could only really handle 3 snaps. He ordered those two Thanos to do the same, once they'd found their own stones, so that they would start an exponential chain that would reach the multiverse. Those Thanos still had to look for their own stones. They were looking for them, but they hadn't yet gotten all of them, maybe a few each, so they couldn't *yet* start the chain themselves. Their only chance of victory, then, was to make those two versions of Thanos die before they could start a chain themselves, inevitably ending up with another Thanos snapping their universe *again*. So, technically, if Thanos just refused to call over his younger selfs, he would have won no matter what, but this was all part of strange's plan, as they needed to goad him into doing it.

[@Doddser]

@@AliceIsSleepy Ahhh okay I understand. That also wraps up another question I had about why Thanos doesn't just have infinite versions of himself help out by the end of the movie. But yeah, the fact Thanos decided to bring them there at all seems a bit badly thought out on his part. Thanks for explaining!

[@AliceIsSleepy]

@@Doddser Yeah, it is a 9retty bad choice, unless, maybe, what they were going for is that if Thanos lost, the avengers could use the stones to find the earlier versions of himself and kill them, before a chain could be started, ending it too.

[@LucasPucas]

I really love a lot of this, but I feel as though Captain Marvel shouldn't be dragged around as the surrogate Space Stone for the entirety of the final battle. I think a better solution would be that she gives up some of her power to create an entirely new - albeit weaker - Space Stone that appears in the gauntlet before she snaps (and maybe it breaks apart later so that the stone stays gone). That way you don't need to have her awkwardly sitting next to Tony while he's in the middle of making his sacrifice. Great video otherwise. Love the Hulk stuff and the Thor/Nebula bits especially.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

Maybe she can create a weaker form of the stone that works for the snap and little else at the cost of losing her power, so she's no longer able to fight in the battle but also isn't being dragged around as a space stone doll. Then when the snap happens the space stone dissolves and the power returns back to her because it's keyed to her biology. It opens up the possibility of using this to nerf/temporarily depower Captain Marvel in future movies when the writers want (and explains a little how Rogue can steal her powers) since writers are going to wanna do that anyway.

[@NeonDeity]

I like this more

[@alevanderBatman]

I am SURPRISED that I was 1 hour in before realizing this wasn't a 20 minute video... This rewrite was so good and detailed that I can't even recall the original plot.

[@JohnDRuddyMannyMan]

This is good and certainly explores a lot more character moments, but it’s a bit overly complicated and you’d have lost half your audience (fittingly lol). Endgame just about managed to hold it together regarding complexity.

[@JohnDRuddyMannyMan]

Also, you’ve about two movies worth of story here

[@Sinflair]

Yo I love your videos! Awesome seeing you here!

[@loquiinsani5567]

i disagree making a story more complex does not push people away, it pulls them in.

[@SenatorDodo09]

i dont think complexity has to take away, done right it only adds. I can be wholly confused by one piece every now and then and have to reread arcs to remember what the fuck happened and how that changes my perception of current arcs but still love the writing and enjoy every second of it

[@nathanhills336]

I really like the way you write dialogue. It's something that not a lot of people can master but I can say your dialogue offers both fun and in depth ideas for the universe you're writing in. Great job overall.

[@gg_sam7847]

With the "mass produce the Pym particles in a day" thing (just from memory, I haven't researched). When the team went back in time it would have looked like a few seconds for anyone else in the room, I'd say it took like an hour at least for them to snap everyone back. Not to mention that they can be brought to the future from any point in time, so they could have spent years studying and making it and told evil Nebula "get us from this specific point in time, we should have it all ready by then"

[@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455]

the convo between past Gamora and Present Nebula didn't seem like they spent years together.

[@gg_sam7847]

@@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455 Good point

[@teraptorus1144]

Holy SHIT this was incredibly detailed! I loved every second of it, even it was a little redundant in places. I think with many more drafts looking to combine as many of these scene objectives as possible, and cutting out way more from the original script so the time heist ends up being just the very start of Act 2, it could easily be worked into a 3.5 hour film. This is a masterpiece of an idea and I continue to be impressed with your rewrites! keep it up

[@Maladjester]

That Hulk/Banner inner dialog is exactly what I wanted them to do. Maybe peace between them won't last but today they fight as one. Instead the writers murdered Hulk off-screen and handed Banner a happy ending on a silver platter. The cardinal rule of the character is inner conflict. I guess I should say was, because now he's just an attempt at comedy. EDIT: The connection between Marvel and the Space Stone was something I thought of as well. Like she'd use her power to create a feedback loop with the Space Stone, destroying it but probably also herself. She dies (or is de-powered) but now there can never be another Snap. Overall, thumbs up. Would have been really damn long, but it could have been two movies.

[@bromeohotague]

i literally jumped up and gasped when explained how captain marvel used her own power from the stone to snap everyone back. holy shit

[@kimblepetersen3055]

Loved the rewrite, they only criticism I had was that it seemed like you contradicted yourself a couple times in the final fight saying that thanos uses the space stone even though it’s destroyed and captain marvel is the substitute. I don’t think it took away from the narrative at all. Just a couple changes in the combat. You did specify that he has control of captain marvel when he transports his army to the garden. So that still works.

[@jacksonhinkell]

i’m starting to picture and imagine this as the real endgame in my head and i’m a lot happier now

[@gracetalbot]

this wouldve been perfect- i literally cried at your retelling of it alone. the only thing i would add is at Starks funeral. After the camera pans over everyone, after Tony's final sendoff, we see Peter walk up to Harley and ask "So how did you know him?" for Harley to reply, "I nearly shot him with a potato gun when he invaded my home and gave him a panic attack, but after that he cared for me in a way no one had before. You?" for Pete to reply, "To be honest it's about the same. I'm Peter by the way." "Harley, executive engineer at Stark Industries." for dramatic effect you could have him working at Oscorp or somewhere, but that then changes future movies and takes away from the "walking in his footsteps" kind of idea i had for harley. i picture him being the version of peter under starks wing if the "internship" cover was actually real and he took peter across the world on Stark Tech business- the celebrity """son""" of the philanthropist that will inherit the company one day, and after No Way Home does actually work at a similar level to Pepper in the company (although this might be too fanfic-y to be how it would go lol)

[@lonebattledroid4474]

At this point it would need to be 2 movies (maybe around 4 and a half hours long combined). Not that I have a problem with that. In fact, in the bizzarro universe where this is the version of the film, I can even imagine a really cool twist/ marketing ploy to utilize it being split into 2 parts. Endgame Part 1 is released as normal and you let it be out for maybe a Month or so to give everyone a chance to see it, then you announce that instead of waiting an entire year for Part 2 you're going to release it in a week or maybe 2 weeks to really build up hype again. Then for the premier you can show Part 1 and 2 right alongside each other, then for all the other releases it'll just be Part 2.

[@master0fthearts894]

Nice. You’ve truly created the perfect system between Snyders “long storytelling” ‘idea’ and movie theaters requirement for movies to be at least somewhat not as long.

[@stellarremnant3597]

My god if they showed part 1 and 2 back to back then what the fuck is the point of doing two parts? It's going to feel dragged out anyways. And (if this were real) the time it would take to shoot would delay this movie by at least a year or more. Infinity War is already supposed to feel like part 1 while Endgame is part 2 (as that was the original plan).

[@KittyThaliaX23]

I always thought the soul stone was connected throughout the multiverse, meaning it’s weird purgatory pocket dimension is single and unique, existing outside the concept of the multiverse. Which also technically means you could use it to universe hop if you could figure it out.

[@tribacioustee2846]

A very engaging listen. I really enjoyed it. It's hard for me to talk about the positives over the criticisms, since I tend to just nod my head and go "Yeah, that sounds great", but I think this'd be one of the best ways to solve a lot of things. Drax gets his bit, we get the real Thanos (and he is as good) plus an interesting young Thanos, and you've reined in the habit you had in your other rewrites of making the characters say too much uninterruped - this made this a much better listen. But seriously, I mostly feel like the MCU is just a collection of barely-related events, but you made it feel like a whole setting with the things you considered here. Only three things stick out to me: 1) We've changed how time travel works from how Endgame did it, by allowing present Thanos to interact with his past self and vice versa. That's fine, but now you run into all the other plot holes that time travel brings with it. It's a good job that you thought for why Thanos only warns two multiverse versions of himself, but why don't they just kill baby Thanos like Roady suggested? 2) Length. By god, this is a satisfying amount of content, and I'd want to watch it all, but I can see studio teams stressing their hair out figuring how to manage this. Maybe we'd run into a LOTR case where the true viewing experience is in the extended cuts. 3) This is the biggie for me: the elevated role of Thor is so much better, but with him and Tony getting elevated roles, it becomes painfully clear Steve has no connection with Thanos. In this version, it feels like Steve just does things and provides spectacle, when he's just as much part of the heart of the MCU as Tony is. As a quick suggestion, why not Steve be the one to talk it out with Thanos? Since your Thanos already has the idea of Earth being an exception, the man who best exemplifies humans' best qualities is a good candidate to challenge him with. How doesn't have to be too important - off the top of my head, Steve's roaming the garden planet 'cos he needs some solitude, encounters a predatory fauna, Thanos helps him (no pointless bloodshed), Steve offhandedly mentions he doesn't like bullies, and Thanos kinda resonates with that line. The ensuing chat could be what makes Thanos think Earth could almost have been an exception. Love your work, dude.

[@FumanyuX]

You didn't understand the time travel He doesn't go back to change the present, he goes to the PAST of ANOTHER universe to start A CHAIN of events, ACROSS universes, not to his own (timeline)

[@tribacioustee2846]

@@FumanyuX Ahhh, that makes sense!

[@calebsanchez5651]

Definitely a little heavy on the "tell, not show", but you brought up some great ideas that would have made the film so much better (and I enjoyed Endgame)

[@gracetalbot]

i suppose that could be down to the fact that its only an audio and theres no visuals to "show" anything, but yeah a lot would be shown if it were to be made into a film