A Crap Guide to D&D [5th Edition] - Alignment

[@JoCat]

my real thoughts on using alignment: don't just play your character to whatever their personality is and don't worry about alignment!

[@kairoar8723]

wow you replied on your own video and u weren't the first comment shown! I'm proud of u

[@galeg4021]

relatable

[@davidmanuel8409]

Alignment is smelly. I base my actions according to how far I can throw the nearest gnome.

[@ZeRedSpy]

Its so frustratingly baked into the game system though. Spells, monster abilities, paladins, magical items, and so many other bits of the game reference your alignment. Cutting alignment out of the game is so much work that its best to just sideline it as much as possible.

[@7h3m41n94m3]

But it's such a good and detailed system that has varied and nuanced meaning and depth! Then again the amount of times I've seen Lawful Stupid paladins not only charge the BBEG during the OPENING SPEECH of some thing only for us all to DIE HORRIBLY cause his good guy boner was too busy pointing in the direction of the nearest evil he couldn't think straight past trying to scream SMITE! and running in the general direction of all the rocks about to fall and kill us. So maybe you have a point here.

[@Skywaep]

"Characters can only be one alignment forever" Reminds me how someone filled out one of these meme alignment charts completely with just Zuko from ATLA at various points of the story.

[@Dreznin]

Interestingly, old versions of D&D actually made you lose levels if you changed alignment, which is why a lot of players that started in those old editions treat alignment as a hard and fast rule as opposed to something that can change over time.

[@Tree_-wp5zn]

I have to see that..my brother would flip.

[@connorbingham-davis2091]

@@Dreznin suddenly everything makes sense

[@nevermore7285]

@@Dreznin that explains a lot. Like a class change would be one thing, like on Eq, but loosing levels would suck.

[@DinsRune]

There's one I like that has just different interpretations of Batman in all the boxes.

[@manoknawa]

i like how jocrap is so brash and memey but jocat is so soft

[@EzekiesAcheron]

He's a good boi.

[@darkmoon2503]

Multiple personalities. He played so much Monster Hunter World, that his inner bloodrhirsty hunter manifested into its own crappy, wiggly identity... which subsequently learned to play DnD.

[@EzekiesAcheron]

@@darkmoon2503 lmao yes

[@gilbertofranca9595]

JoCrap: Chaotic Neutral JoCat: Lawful Good

[@kenzelgreen3894]

I like joplant the best because it’s a plant

[@ImusakHctividar]

Actual JoCat: A delicate flower almost in bloom Wiggler-Kun: Doomguy from the Doom comic but somehow more aggressive

[@anemoi6803]

Jocrap: Daddy Jocat: Baby

[@LastDragoon-wi7zo]

so Jekyll and Hyde but for D&D shenanigans... and just like that i have an idea

[@Eihort]

RIP AND TEAR YOUR FAVORITE THINGS

[@WoodlandDrake]

Jocat: Crossing both arms and legs in a folding chair Jocrap: Manspreading both arms and legs without sitting

[@SpecTeach]

The hardest shells protect the softest creatures.

[@damienedmiston3195]

I had a character take a huge shift of alignment after the party bullied him enough and the god of darkness approached him to give him power and respect. So he went from Chaotic Good to Lawful Evil. It surprisingly worked.

[@DGDDice]

Chaotic Neutral had a twist that happened because he had enough of his parties shit as well. found my character changing from chaotic neutral to chaotic evil after being pushed enough. he threw the neutral straight out the door.

[@skell6134]

@@DGDDice Time to do some random bulls**t and commit revenge on party members XD

[@Phoenixqueen77]

sounds like a great character arc

[@lilylopnco]

A deal with the devil, eh?

[@Ramen10420]

Those 1 level warlock dips.

[@StephenGillie]

I like being Lawful Evil and driving exactly the speed limit. I laugh and twirl my handlebar moustache as people angrily change lanes to go 5MPH faster than I am, or patiently stack up behind me.

[@cyndrr6158]

K I'm really glad I'm not the only person who does this

[@spiffygonzales5899]

:( sometimes lawful evil people are the most evil of all.

[@magnagamer8256]

Uhm you do realize alignments aren’t real right cause it revolves around what alignment your dnd character would be not you okay that’s my explanation

[@anna_young]

@@magnagamer8256 it was a joke pal xd

[@carsonrush4152]

Same here, but because I made a promise to not speed. I also subscribe to the bus drivers' response to tailgating: let off the gas until they go around you. The impatient B's usually crack at around 10-15 mph below the speed limit. I usually give them a warning shot by slowing down 5 mph and then returning to the limit.

[@aaronnunavabizniz199]

"Don't let players choose thier own alignment" This is actually good advice. I didn't expect that.

[@sliestwheel]

I kinda agree with that but don't at the same time, I have played most alignments (and get to choose them myself) including a chaotic evil character who made himself look lawful good and when the party wasn't looking snapped the neck of the tavern keep to gain ownership of the tavern so he could use the secret tunnels underneath to run his own smugglers ring. I do agree with it cause we had a chaotic stupid fey warlock hexblade who almost killed my character multiple times because they couldn't get the hint that the puzzle was solved.

[@elijahdavila3684]

I think it's probably best practice to just build your character and think about the roles you want them to play in the group/story and let the alignment come naturally from there. Starting with alignment and building off of it can often (but not always) lead to stale and rigid characters.

[@vnnh_]

in one campaign i played, in the middle of the campaign when we had already established our characters enough the DM changed our alignments for us (with our consent, of course) but nobody really cared because the alignments he picked fit our characters better anyways.

[@Born_Stellar]

In my first campaign/game we just started playing, kinda neutral until we ended up siding with the cult of the dragon, befriending a black dragon and raising an army of lizardfolk. We had no idea what we were doing there just happened to be an encounter where we sided WITH the evil guys cause from our point of view the good guys were the assholes. Lots of fun 11/10 would be neutral again.

[@zairevariegata3421]

One thing I like to do in games is having a shifting alignment. Which makes some solid character arcs. Or even have characters who might fit one alignment but have done an action that would heavily suggest otherwise (a priest commiting murder in self defense)

[@charbplus]

I love how JoCrap is so extreme that JoCat has to apologize for him (Edited for grammar and correcting the name)

[@DefnotKali]

so extreme everyone has to reiterate how extremely extreme he is twice in one sentence

[@DS_Sword]

@@DefnotKali EXTREME!

[@heliosspecialistarrogant7031]

@@DS_Sword NACHOS AND TACOS EEEEEXXXXXXTREEEEMEEE

[@savkat1033]

Jocrap

[@munschirl]

What impressed me is how he can change his voice to sound like this.

[@provalone]

My favorite character ever was LE. He was a fill in for a character that died early-mid campaign and was a straight up mercenary hired by the king to ensure that the 'Heroes' were sticking to the script of supporting his power plays with the neighboring counties. After a few sessions, the party had started planning to do many very naughty things, and as such, the response they received from an LE merc straightened them out right fast. "Good plan, but if you really want to burn out the cultists, we need to ensure proper air flow into the mines. use your spells to open up tiny shafts and then pump cloud kills and poison smoke into the main shaft, then collapse the exits." "Oh, good idea with taking out the foreign saboteurs, but why are we just going to let this chance at a good frame job go to waste? Animate that corpse, Then I'll put on that other ones outfit, and lets go get our neighbor in on this war.... Well it is one now that they are trying to kill the king, so lets make it 2v1 instead. Beside, the our soon to be allies pay well for adventurers right? We can double up and earn twice the pay" "Hey Leader, I love tha plan you have for these POWs, and I think you are making the right choice. You be good cop, and only burn them when they lie, I'll be bad cop, and burn them for fun! I think you will make a great Blackguard some day, just gotta take that last step from the old 'Boss', and the first step towards a new one, eh" Never did see a bunch of murder-hobos straighten up and fly right so fast as when my Merc started agreeing with them. DM even let me 'turn evil' at the end when the BBEG offered to buy my contract once the king was dead. I was balanced into the encounter and everything.

[@CrabOnABeach]

this is beautiful

[@pearchris]

I don't know why but I heard all of this in an english accent sounding like Jason Statham lol

[@Heb_N]

TL;DR

[@ethribin4188]

Sounds like a lot of fun:O LEs are the hardest to play perfectly. But they are by far the most rewarding

[@Attaxalotl]

That's amazing! Props to you and your DM!

[@jamesarmstrongiv8279]

Jocat: here is a disclaimer so nobody gets hurt. Also Jocat: FiRe BaLl

[@rgderen88]

BLAST

[@brockkrueger5255]

What's your point, person within fireball distance?

[@VashdaCrash]

He put two of them, 1:31 for like one frame. He's so thoughful

[@aurias42]

no no it's JoCrap that does the fireball

[@BRamz_121]

SUCK FAT NARDS NERDS

[@Claymorrrr]

Jocrap’s alignment is Chaotic wiggler and no I’m not changing my mind no matter how hard he fireballs me

[@tigerwarrior1787]

But what about how hard he SMITES you?

[@rimurutempest4945]

Or ELDRITCH BLAST!

[@VictorHernandez-vz6iw]

This comment deserves a gold Star

[@Gureiseion]

Best to hide yo' dad.

[@הייויוםטובאדוני]

No, he's chaotic evil.

[@saturnv4626]

The funniest part about this is that your "crap guide to dnd" is easier to understand and so far has worked out pretty well for me lmao

[@Introbulus]

There's multiple nuggets of truth in them, sometimes literally an entire goldmine, if you are able to pick through the blatant moments of sarcasm and goofing for entertainment (of which there is much). But that's also kind of true for any other humor-based series about a hobby.

[@jakegray1723]

"People arent able to categorize themselves without being subconsciously influenced by their own personal biases." You... you keep talking

[@j.j.663]

1 twelfth of his viewers suddenly felt a disturbance in the force when he spoke those words

[@ryanphillips4123]

@@j.j.663 just a twelfth?

[@supersnackbros2423]

So if I'm categorizing a character who's totally not a self insert or wish fulfillment vehicle I'm golden!

[@rhaegnarok]

Lawful Good here, this is the actual truth.

[@partialbullet2215]

I suddenly have a tremendous urge to punch someone

[@jakobbarr4216]

Jocrap: Chaotic Neutral Jocat: Neutral Good JoPlant: Neutral

[@aquamarinerose5405]

I feel like jocrap is chaotic evil, seeing as he fireballed some wizard school because he didn't like the teacher.

[@thepineappledude8487]

@@aquamarinerose5405 THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS 😝

[@sylveoncovers4603]

Joplant: Neutral Neutral I may agree with you but I gotta say it in the way I love

[@MHMichaelHooper]

@@aquamarinerose5405 No, he fireballed a completely evil teacher that dared spread lies like, "Fireball isn't always the answer." Clearly, he is chaotic good.

[@tofastninj9747]

@@MHMichaelHooper also his god sword and shield wants all to express themselves in one way and he is following that way. So he is lawful good.

[@ThePa1riot]

I'd actually love to read a webcomic starring his little characters.

[@nokachi3339]

Me too

[@nephicus339]

I want them as collectible action figures. or just action figures to play with.

[@EvilPaladin11]

JoCat class minis when?

[@sludgy5134]

Debbie (Barbarian) Felicia (Bard) Gadiel (Cleric) Ricono (Druid) John (FighterMAN) Yathyra (Monk) Sasha (Paladin) Rogmesh (Ranger) Emalric (Rouge) Chad (Sorcerer) Busmic (Warlock) Hutrax (Wizard) Silbs (Artificer) I would want a campaign of all of them but with so many it would need to be the hardest campaign ever. Maybe 2 campaigns each with 8, webcomic sounds cool too

[@BVasquezp]

@@sludgy5134 Could be a PVP campaign

[@D1gi4rs]

"Characters can only be one alignment forever" So I guess the corruption and redemption arc are already blocked

[@CharlesGriswold]

That's why I pick Chaotic Neutral. That alignment can justify nearly anything.

[@RandomAmbles]

'Twas sarcasm moin froinda.

[@shelkofsky1]

I believe he said that on context of aligning pop culture icons into this system. He was saying once you put batman in a box people will argue non stop to keep him in that box.

[@jessegd6306]

Batman is chaotic evil.

[@marmyeater]

@@CharlesGriswold No.

[@evantreadwell1469]

>nobody will ever pick LE My friends and i talked about this once and the fact that no one realizes that a politician would be an amazing fit for LE, so in our next session, thats what i played. An LE politician. and hes the best god damn character ive ever made.

[@FireTalon24]

One of my character ideas is a lawful evil diplomatic sorcerer. He would always try to talk his way out of violent encounters (using sneaky enchantment magic of course), but if that didn't work... "Oh well, negotiations have broken down. Kill 'em."

[@jithianlaurent6490]

Isn't most organized crime just a bunch of lawful evil people working together for their own benefit, technically? Like the Yakuza as presented in popular media is definitely LE. Politicians obviously, but also sly businessmen work. Honestly a campaign of a bunch of LE punks rising through a criminal organization sounds cool and would fit their alignments.

[@ManlyPicnics]

I feel like a majority of Warlocks fit LE. I know my current Warlock is LE dedicated to serving Levistus as a Hexblade. I do what I have to in order to free him from his tomb, whether I'm killing or making diplomatic agreements in exchange for souls.

[@Scarletraven87]

I made mostly CN CG characters in my 20s. Now I am in my early 30s I do mostly LE characters. And they are so deep. I made one very deep CN character before but the LE I am playing now is like staring into the abyss. I don't see the bottom.

[@WTFoxStudios]

I once made a LE Dwarf Cleric to act as an Advisor for an organized group of Necromancers with high ambitions. GM was surprised that: instead of directly poisoning/killing my target, I simply convinced them to let me in, appealed to their emotions, and challenged them to a drinking contest. After target blacked-out, I just carried them back to base. DM even had a guard stop me; convinced them I was just bringing my friend to the healer outside town. Overall 2nd favorite char I've made, but def the most fun I've had role-playing.

[@lj1653]

Me: My character is good alignment. DM: Is he really? Shall we go over what your character has done so far in the campaign?

[@IceFire1800]

got a lawful good chopping down trees to kill a lizard sunbathing I'm pretty sure he works for PETA

[@kriss7352]

I feel your comment so hard. i once dmed a story where the PCs ran into a bunch of circus goblins, that demanden they helped them into town, since the pc had ruined the goblins wagon in a drunken bender. one "chaotic good" dragonborn player then killed them with acid calling himself their new god and got mad at me for saying he was evil now. he claimed he was good because goblins are evil and killing them was good.

[@defensivekobra3873]

69 likes so far Will not disturb it

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@kriss7352 fuck he is one hell of an racist boi, even more so than the typical venegance palladin or hunter ranger

[@cillianthestupendous6093]

@@defensivekobra3873 not to mention dragonborn

[@camouldsn]

My current DM has been known to tell us, “you’re chaotic good, not chaotic stupid”

[@IronPhreak]

Stealing..

[@darthnecrosaberjacobrandal4247]

Mine says that to chaotic evil

[@butchbabytoaster]

Helped a friend make a character for a campaign I want to run if we don't get apocalypsed, and we set his alignment as chaotic stupid for a laugh and just left it. As a result, somewhere around a year later, we can't remember what his serious alignment is.

[@hammerofjustice1183]

Unless you're a barbarian who's besties with a rogue.

[@bodkimalone]

That perfectly summed up my -1 intelligence dragonborn character who had an alignment shift from cg...

[@OMGSAMCOPSEY]

Chaotic good attempts to save the village after the mayor has begged them BEGGED THEM to please stop trying to save the village.

[@artemiostriantafyllou7986]

Chaotic good is Frank Drebin.

[@TheOfficialPSI]

Warning: I'm gonna nerd out for a moment and talk about Dragon Ball. I often hear people point to Vegeta as the posterboy for chaotic good, but this example reminds me of Goku. Goku is chaotic good because he always saves the Earth from the big bad that wants to destroy it, but he also stays on Earth and waits for any villain to show up, that in actuality wants to kill him more than destroy the planet, and basically never takes a second to think that maybe when he hears some planet destroying dude is on their way, he should teleport to them, teleport them and himself to a world with oxygen but only like one power signature on it, and duke it out with them there, potentially using the dragon balls to restore said planet if it does end up destroyed. That or just challenge them to a fight in the Hyperbubonic Mime Shaver.

[@balsasjekloca9308]

​@@TheOfficialPSIthat one was on purpose

[@zeehero7280]

HOORAY PATRICK WE SAVED THE VILLAGE *burning village backround*

[@pkfiremkice1883]

The fact that Jocat has to explain that it's a joke despite having a LITERAL DISCLAIMER IN EVERY VIDEO upsets me.

[@arielkliger6312]

Yes as soon as I saw him stopping to explain the disclaimer I was like which overly sensitive idiot is responsible for this bs? Why can't people take a joke -_-

[@Solar-Flame]

this is the internet we're talking about, idk why you're surprised

[@Arcaneraven]

kinda feels like I need to sing my Spaghetti song I sing everytime I make some whenever my housemate is having a bad day. In a tenor voice: "Dooooon't beeeee upsettiiiii, Eeeaaaaat some spaghettiiiii!"

[@stm7810]

I'm blind so don't read it and even I know.

[@Niemandzockt]

The valid points in the video may confuse people.

[@Hifuutorian]

Unironically a better guide to alignment than 90% of them.

[@pbisverykewl]

Yes no joke I actually understand alignment now because of this

[@enixxe]

Yeah, it's surprisingly good for how short it is. Now we just need videos for each individual alignment to make sure no corner of the internet is left unburned.

[@brianmaday9227]

I came down to the comments section to say the same thing. For as much as he belabored the disclaimer in the opening, this is pretty solid.

[@BucketSentry]

the fact jocat needs to point out he's doing a bit, genuinely hurts my brain.

[@LastDragoon-wi7zo]

the fact that people take a series called "A Crap Guide" seriously does the same thing to me but on a *far* deeper level

[@derpythedaedra4194]

more and more emphasis has been put on the disclaimers lately and this concerns me

[@alegendisafoot5436]

Some people just want to be angry.

[@dragonarchive7443]

@@alegendisafoot5436 "I would like to RAGE!" Seriously though, some people need to calm down

[@andrewboyko8304]

Derpy the Daedra probably because of the algorithm, plus this video comes for us all pretty hard haha

[@GippyHappy]

Lawful: follows a code (either the law or a personal code) Chaotic: act in their own self interest, morals often flexible Good: going out of your way to be nice Evil: going out of your way to be mean, or allowing bad things to happen without caring how it effects others LG: Good for the sake of Justice NG: Good for goodness’ sake CG: Good for goodness’ sake no matter the method LN: Acting on orders TN: Depends on the situation CN: Follows their heart LE: Evil within the bounds of the law NE: Evil for personal gain CE: Just wants to watch the world burn I wrote this for myself please don’t stab me for being redundant or wrong

[@Gab8riel]

Evil doesn't need to go out of their way to be mean to be considered evil. A common misconception is that an evil character needs to be a sadist. They don't need to have any pleasure in doing evil, they just need to not care. A evil person is one motivated by their own self interest with little to no compassion.

[@GippyHappy]

@@Gab8riel I said that…

[@greenstarlover1]

I'll add "act according to their own feelings" to the Chaotic description.

[@skell6134]

Neutral Evil is noicr

[@MirrorscapeDC]

I disagree. Chaotic isn't about being selfish or ruthless, it is about not binding yourself to rules. A lawful good character might not do a good thing because they promised they wouldn't. A chaotic good character is going to stare at them like they are stupid, ignore all social norms, and do the thing anyway.

[@censorduck]

I feel like that the lego set toilet incident might be a personal anecdote.

[@demi-femme4821]

He got the set wrong tho. The sign says "Eta-2 Actis" when the image is of the Delta-7 Aethersprite.

[@scoutmainmybeloved8394]

@@demi-femme4821 NAAAAARD-

[@shokvalu8819]

I feel the same way about the fitness instructor who wasn't supposed to fuck his mom

[@thomaslardinois6383]

@@demi-femme4821 So glad someone else said it first, for the reason provided by Doink Boink above.

[@redknight326]

Jocrap's alignment is chaos. No secondary; just pure, unfiltered chaos

[@smoreg]

Chaotic Lawful. Has a set of rules and guidelines but nobody, not even himself, knows what the fuck they are.

[@Lemmywinkks]

I'd like to believe he wiggles up and down the chaotic line

[@CBRN-115]

So he is the warp itself?

[@hamsterdoom360]

Chaos for the sake of chaos... still falls under Chaotic Neutral. Because it's chaos un-influenced by morality.

[@HauntingBull]

JoCrap's alignment is Sword and Shield

[@trueblueryu5713]

The intro reminds me of the quote: “Myers Briggs is just astrology for people who took one business course.” I forget where I first heard it but I know it circulates every so often

[@88michaelandersen]

That's a great description. It's pretty close to true. Neither Myers nor Briggs were psychologists, but one of them was a business major. I forget which one.

[@northwind6199]

That one has pretty specific niches for each category, though, and it's hard to relate to them if they're not true for you. They're not "if you're this type you probably really like breathing and eating". Sure it's not a complete index of all the variations of human personality, but if the options are mutually exclusive, doesn't that mean it's at the very least a somewhat viable categorisation?

[@kieronireikets7884]

I actually use Myers Briggs as self monitoring. I just look at the percentages on the introverts extrovert set, and see if I've swung wildly lately. :P

[@PandaXs1]

@@northwind6199 the issues come from self biases one might have when describing themselves. research suggests the only real accurate part of the myers-briggs test is the introvert/extrovert part.

[@TheBigTheFish]

But this might only apply to the early versions of the Myers-Briggs type indicator. After the Myers-Briggs company took over maintenance they revised the instrument multiple times, and have provided scientific reports based around it crediting the reliability of the instrument. That could of course all be biased, but at the same time most research debunking the Myers-Briggs instrument is rather old, so it's hard to tell what still applies. Also, when using it next, try using a Jungian perspective ( www.teamtechnology.co.uk/myers-briggs-criticisms.html ) which can solve some of the criticisms leveled against the instrument (while also explaining other criticisms, the main part I'm pointing at is Criticism 5). EDIT: Fixed the hyperlink

[@merchantziro4285]

Lawful Good: Determined to get their party to stay away from the grass they're not allowed to walk on because there's a sign that clearly says they're not allowed to do that. Neutral Good: Doesn't walk on grass because they saw the sign and merely asks the party if they could be careful as they don't want to get into any trouble. Chaotic Good: Digs and entire path underground for his party to get past the grass. Lawful Neutral: Flies over the grass so they can take a shorter route and not crush the grass. True Neutral: Just walks around the grass and let's those who want to walk on grass get in trouble. He's not their dad. Chaotic Neutral: Takes the sign with them and probably draws a face on it. Leaving those who ignorantly walked on the grass to their fate. Lawful Evil: Chops a path through the grass so they're not walking on it. Neutral Evil: Ignores the sign and walks on grass normally. Chaotic Evil: Burns all of the grass so there is no grass to walk on.

[@leotheyoshi151]

I feel like chaotic evil would be going out of their way to step on every single blade of grass

[@Crystalelements182]

LE is " technically I'm following the rules"

[@merchantziro4285]

@@Crystalelements182 I mean you're not walking on grass if there is no grass to step on in your way.

[@CaffeineSuki]

The chaotic good answer lol

[@Seikjin]

And if you dont agree with these description above "YOU CAN SUCK FAT NARDS"

[@15oClock]

D&D Alignments: *Exists* People who don't know how to identify themselves: "The sacred texts!"

[@streifyre]

The increased presence of disclaimers makes me worried that someone was hating on the goodness that is this series :(

[@ShadowKnux372]

There's always someone who will, but luckily he seems to avoid that for the most part. Probably just foresight on his part for this one due to the subject being something people take a bit more seriously, I suppose?

[@bast4rdlyreaper]

Can you imagine having Jocrap in your D&D game lol.

[@s_t_r_a_y_e_d]

I think it was more specifically this video cause he rips on people who believe in astrology

[@indialamotte6470]

I don’t think it happens as much now, but earlier on in the series some people got really offended by his videos on certain classes. He took it really hard (I was in his discord back when it was small enough that interaction with jo was more feasible and he talked about this kinda thing) and caused a couple episodes to be taken down and re-recorded multiple times to try and appease people. So I think nowadays the disclaimer acts as a safeguard against that.

[@Nukinator]

@@indialamotte6470 Jo needs to take a hint. You're not doing this to appease people who get mad. You're doing this because you like what you're doing. Criticism is one thing people getting ass blasted about being called out is another. Something people could afford to have a thicker skin about.

[@Gravenkal]

My years on the internet tell me that that intro means someone was rage-stalking JoCat for making fun of beastmaster rangers.

[@rosem325]

Gravenkal makes sense

[@John-wk2fd]

#getjocatagun

[@Nixahma]

Personally, it really helps me to have one small baseline to stick to. Someone told me Chaotic Neutral is “I help the people that help me. That’s how we survive.” As someone who has never played a single game of DnD and is terrified of being inconsistent, this is really helpful.

[@1thedanfan949]

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[@zeehero7280]

as far as I'm concerned Chaotic good is "I try to help people by doing what I think is right, not what they think is right"

[@7792pnaurfr]

​@@zeehero7280this

[@haileylowe705]

That's a good rule of thumb. My character is true neutral, and her baseline is essentially "I do what's best for *me*, whether that's helping and ally/someone I care about, or stealing from someone in order to obtain reward gold".

[@mrummgoat53]

My wizard is lawful evil. He's a bounty hunter who resurrects murder victims, finds out who killed them then goes to return the favor

[@theoptimist5366]

I don't think that counts as Lawful Evil. ...unless the murder victims are bandits, minions of an evil dragon, cultists who are literally trying to destroy the world, executed criminals, etc. It would also count as Lawful Evil if the people he killed are paladins, watchmen and people who strive to eradicate evil. Double Lawful Evil if he also promised to not screw the resurrected murder victims' mom, and screwed their dad instead.

[@BlitzkriegBryce]

The Optimist idk, going around killing things for personal gain is pretty evil (most parties).

[@Qardo]

@@BlitzkriegBryce Lawful Good go around killing for personal glory. But also for the greater good. Lawful Evil would not bother resurrecting the dead. Unless the dead person was useful before being murdered. Then, maybe...unless person was a threat to their power. Then, maybe not. Really more than likely use "Speak with Dead". All to get answers to basic questions.

[@theoptimist5366]

@@BlitzkriegBryce To be fair, 'evil' and 'good' are simplistic systems of thought used to describe actions which have complex consequences. In that respect, 'Raise Dead' is an inherently evil act, because you're depriving worms, insects and other things of much needed nutrients, and you're depriving the land itself of richness and fertility. Killing things is not inherently evil. It depends wholly on the 'things' and the overall consequences of the act.

[@amelia_airhead272]

So he’s Ned the Piemaker?

[@BornAScout]

I think most people use alignment backwards. "I want this character to be Chaotic Good so they act like this" Vs "I've developed my character thoroughly and they usually act like this so they fit mostly into Chaotic Good" Imo, it's better to have a your actions be the reason your character is an alignment, rather than use your alignment as a reason for the character's actions.

[@stolenrelic]

This.

[@TheSharpShootingKid]

Agreed whole heartedly

[@Limrasson]

I had to argue about alligments with 2 people, both of whom were really against it, like it's an enemy or something, and in neither cases did I understand their standpoint. For me it's farly simply a projection of a characters personality and actions in the setting and group. Obviously it's subjective, altough it's weird when the chaotic good cleric tries to argue that the idea of threathening a city's underworld boss for money or he (and in extension us as a group) would let giants siege and capture the city and destroy them, namely the same city in which the same cleric has an orphanage fits as a chaotic good act, because he was just bluffing.... So what I'm trying to say is that just because your character has evil actions it doesn't mean that's a bad action, so being mad about the alligment isn't too useful on the long run. Except if you are a cleric or paladin. In which case your character CHOSE to serve tenets and dogmas, so everything outside of that alligment is a character flaw. (Since the characters themselves took their class with the intent of pursuing that ideal). And characters should have flaws, but when the player thinks that destroying half a village just because a peasant short-changed him with money FITS being good, then that's not okey, lol.

[@DiddntFindANameLol]

@@Limrasson In my experience a lot of people just feel like it puts them too much in a box. Now, personally I kind of lean towards that being a good thing, because new players especially really struggle with nuanced characters, they just become bland and undefinable. But say you want to play a character who's very utilitarian, it's really fucking hard to argue that such a character would be "evil", because they are very much doing everything in their power to bring the best outcome to the most amount of people. Yet at the same time, it's hard to accept them as good too, if you're not a utilitarian yourself, because they just pushed a guy in-front of a trolley to keep it from killing those five other people. If you're with moderatley experienced players, and you want to play something like GoT, chuck away the alignments and just be careful about designing your moral codes. If you're with new players or you're more of a LoTR person, keep your alignments but dont lean too hard on them. That's my take.

[@Limrasson]

@@DiddntFindANameLol As I said, I think it's the reverse. You can very easily use the aligments on GoT characters too. Or in real world for that matter. But yes, the chart can help players design their characters, but I think, for the most part, it is not meant to be used before the character, but after. Like you figure "well my characters is an utilitarian, which puts him on neutral. But he stays from being too underhanded and tends to ignore the possibility of rewards if the reward has no key role. That puts him towards good. On the other hand he strongly opposes characters who act out of this mindset, which puts him towards lawful. Like this. The obvious exception being paladins and clerics where you have to figure out the code or god you serve. But that's a player choice as well. So don't understand the hate against the chart.

[@invinciblecarrot956]

Today on: JoCat has trouble ending video series that he likes making

[@invinciblecarrot956]

Or is this the spinoff series: JoCat's viewers won't let him do anything else but what they like?

[@nathanielgrey4091]

@@invinciblecarrot956 This is the feeling I get.

[@bezretmet]

though he'll never admit it

[@darkmoon2503]

InvincibleCarrot I'd rather him do whatever it is he really enjoys, but I'd like him to come back to the Crap Guides from time to time.

[@The_Evening_Sun]

@Bazooka Joe prestige classes are pathfinder and 3rd edition. Whereas Jocat's videos seem to center on 5th edition

[@bighairyballoon4818]

It’s hard to come up with a lawful evil character, the only one I’ve ever come used was a 12 year old Warlock contracted to a fiend who was acting as their parental figure. Meaning they always followed “moms rules” making them lawful but “moms rules” made me actively harm others or ignore them getting harmed, Making them evil. Lawful evil is surprising easy to role play and i never argued with my party members often because I “moms rules” never actively went against them.

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

I don't think it's very hard, it's just that most players probably don't really want it, as a lawful evil character will be some minion or hired gun.

[@ellies_silly_zoo]

My lawful evil character is quite nice to everyone, but just goes ham when someone hurts her or another party member. And she's not a hired criminal or anything, she's pretty lonely actually, having crashed on sea and not knowing where her home is. Her main goal is taking out her revenge on the kraken that sunk her ship and taking its teeth or something as a trophy. The lawful aspect is obvious, and all the intense thoughts of revenge made me choose evil as best representing her. Note that I first made the personality, *then* chose the alignment that fit best. First choosing alignment and then cramming in a fitting personality is way too limiting. The character works out quite well, and it's nice to have a lawful tiefling, despite the PHB saying that they tend towards being chaotic.

[@shadowdroid776]

It's pretty easy for my character to be lawful evil, because he's a cleric. He follows the rules and code his God laid out for His followers, and this deity is a chaotic evil being that wants to overthrow the world and enslave all non-elven races. So, my character is just a happy little cleric that loves his time destroying the lives of many while assisting and helping all elves he meets. Sometimes he even gets to bring back toys from the surface for his children and some weird food for his God, which is the "highlight of the trip" for him.

[@wolfen26]

@@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052 A fun character to play would be an aristocrat lawyer who took training in fencing both with the rapier.

[@Blarglesnarfe]

My lawful evil is quite willing to do good things, help people, be cordial, etc. The key is his "law" is ALWAYS thinking about what he gains from it in the long run, whether it be reputation, trust, money, allies, etc. If he will absolutely never be truly altruistic or selfless, it HAS to give him a benefit in some way. He will not be truly vulnerable with others, and is always planning things out, carefully playing on goodwill and "friendship". He feels no friendship or love, and believes it's just more efficient to blend in.

[@notanominousperson2221]

Ah yes, Chaotic Good The "well I 'accidentally' pushed the evil king out the window of his tower and he died in the fall, oh well yay justice!"

[@neenm4299]

Or stealing an abused animal from its owner and giving it to a caring person instead.

[@theoptimist5366]

@@neenm4299 Or breaking into a place, after seeing the state of it on a legitimate visit, and renovating it entirely while the owner sleeps, so they wake up to flowery wallpaper, bright sunlight, colourful fabric sofas, and the owner is a Night Hag...

[@3p1c_Mustache]

I had a chaotic good character in a LARP I was a part of for a while. Highlight of his career was stealing the king's homeland (who had become a lazy, disinterested player) and selling it back to him for a 1 silver profit. Years later, that player is still very active in our group.

[@carsonrush4152]

"Oopsy! Osama Bin Ladin must have fallen overboard and drowned at sea instead of coming to America to stand trial and possibly escape punishment! How clumsy of me!! -the US Marines and Navy

[@avacadotoast5571]

@@theoptimist5366 Or killing a ton of wild animals to feed a starving city

[@Groundlord]

How is it that "Crap Guide to D&D: Alignment" is a more sensible guide to how alignments work than most serious works?

[@mrexists5400]

jokes about something that are the funniest tend to be made from people that have a good understanding the subject, like "explain it in a way a layman can understand" level

[@Naoise012]

Honestly, I expected that. What I didn't expect was for such a good guide to come from someone who doesn't care for the use of alignment in the first place. I find most who dislike alignment don't really understand it.

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

Because Alignment is badly put together in D&D and anything that tries to take it seriously is stuck with the fact it is terrible. Thus this is better because this is critically taking the system apart from a cynical standpoint of what the system is, as an argument as to not use alignment in the first place.

[@Naoise012]

@@DoomsdayR3sistance Literally none of that is true, but okay.

[@DoomsdayR3sistance]

@@Naoise012 Literally all of that is true, which is why we see alignment being slowly removed, it's almost entirely pointless at this point. If people play to the alignment then they do end out as bland stereotypes like this video shows, if you want a good character then play them as a character and not an alignment. What purpose does alignment really serve? I'd argue, none. Now a system which has consequences and rewards for certain behaviors, is a much different and fundamentally better system.

[@krakenspar309]

in my campaign, the so-called “chaotic good” edgy elf ranger has been trying to kill me in-game due to an irl grudge, so the DM made them chaotic evil

[@MrCrunchytime]

Your DM is bad. He should've told the ranger "No".

[@iaintgonna3717]

MrCrunchytime and squirted him with a spray bottle

[@Dratspider]

MrCrunchytime I mean making the dude chaotic evil can open up character moments and punishments that would have been hard to justify if they remained good. Also it can be seen as an early warning to shape up and behave. Having an itchy ban hammer can be just as bad as none at all.

[@davidstratton696]

Honestly I’m gonna have to agree with what the dm did here. The player was asking for it to happen. I’m not saying tension isn’t allowed within the characters (I love when that’s a thing tbh) but if your character has done nothing wrong and is innocent then it wouldn’t make sense for a chaotic good character to want to kill an innocent. But with the player is doing here is a form of meta gaming and the dm tried to shut that shit out.

[@chrisonewiththesalt]

Do you sometimes park in handicapped places while handicapped people make handicapped faces?

[@shyguypro9876]

The best way to create a character in DnD is with two questions: (1) What does your character want? (2) What are they willing to do to get it? By answering those two and basing all your character choices around those answers, you've got like 80% of your character work done. The other 20% is deciding whether those answers change throughout the game. This is literally just the alignment chart but actually tailored to your character. What they want is the Good-Evil scale, and what they are willing to do is the lawful-chaotic scale, except these questions allow you to actually determine personal motivations for your character.

[@ellies_silly_zoo]

There's more to a character's personality than what they ultimately want in life. How they interact with the people around them also matters a lot

[@Effel87]

"Nobody will pick lawful evil." Me: *looks at pile of L.E. character sheets ive collected over the years* "I have a problem....send help. Also souls."

[@AveragePearEnjoyer]

LE makes the most compelling BBEGs, thats what I use it for. politicians, zealots, some kinds of demons, litches/evil wizards. did I just say politicians four times? oops.

[@The_shadow_who_laughs]

Lawful Evil is the most fun I've ever had! Everyone expected me to be Palpatine levels of evil, but I ended up being the most moral (relatively speaking) when it came to non-combat moments (I'm evil, but I had standards and integrity lol). Which resulted in people being occasionally blindsided whenever it was time to be an evil monster (I definitely swung for the fences whenever those times came up 😆)

[@copper589]

I play a lawful evil death cleric in service of Luz, god of pain and oppression. He is great very loyal to his family/cult and has strict rules, but very evil without knowing it. I love him

[@arielvalentine2500]

i used LE for my assassin rogue! :) She had a goal that most would see as evil, specifically finding and killing everyone employed by her father, and then her father, by almost any means necessary. But she refused to put innocent civilians in harms way, or she refused to steal from people she didn't think deserved it.

[@svenbrede6151]

I just thought about drow in Eberron: very tribal people that care about their family and nobody else. Drow adventurers actually usually send money back home.

[@AnimeWolf5193]

"Good is going out of your way to help an old lady cross the street. Neutral is helping the old lady cross the street since your going the same way. Evil is helping the old lady cross the street and then making her pay for your services."

[@sarielever986]

Making her pay halfway across, that is. While a truck is speeding toward you.

[@rozieredz]

That flash of text we see at 1:30 says: "hey, I just wanted to put an extra dislaimer here to be absolutely clear that this is the opposite of how most people use alignment and that you probably shouldnt follow this advice JoCrap is giving because it's supposed to be sarcastic. In most cases I'm confident in people catching on the sarcasm but alignment in general is such a touchy and debatable subject in D&D that I wanna be extra clear in this disalimer that however you choose to do alignment, as well asyour own beliefs as to what defines each alignment is totally valid, and up to you and your play group. and if you dont care at all about alignment and never bother with it, then that is valid too."

[@raquelmiceli-keele3290]

Thank you kind person

[@cparle87]

Omg, that closeup with the "I'm lookin at you nerd" absolutely killed me. Also I lost count of how many times he called us smooth-brains. One of his favorite insults.

[@valdemarsmith1249]

"I personally identify as alignment fluid " We both know that's just chaotic, with random scenes of chivalry.

[@goreobsessed2308]

We have that is chaotic neutral

[@squarerootof-1179]

could also be TN i guess

[@robertaylor9218]

Basically rick

[@himboghost629]

That's true neutral

[@goreobsessed2308]

@@himboghost629 true neutral isn't fluid or have extremes

[@Anergyne]

Okay who yelled at JoCat loud enough that he felt the need to clarify that disclaimer?

[@jaronmalone3945]

Seriously

[@rheegret8405]

Fr

[@drakesdrum1]

Alignment is the number one way to start arguments amongst fans of D&D, so it's perfectly Plausible that he might just have decided to emphasise it on his own for this episode, to try and head that off at the pass?

[@jaronmalone3945]

@@drakesdrum1 maybe for those fans he should've used fireball and just close the pass for those bungaloos lol

[@Anergyne]

@Boruch Arnold Nice

[@luke2261]

Did someone throw your lego sets in the toilet? This seems awfully specific.

[@szysi3k]

Not gonna ask about his mom (or dad)?

[@Shrooblord]

_after a night of chili_

[@randallcunningham4360]

Night of extra spicy curry. Lol

[@potato5413]

Or did he throw the LEGO set in the toilet

[@aubreyackermann8432]

I personally like to consider alignment as a way of conceptualizing the thought process the character may have around rules, governments, their place in society, and their priorities.

[@maiapetersen9092]

Bisexual Panicking half-orc ranger girl is my favorite character.

[@maiapetersen9092]

@the science gamer guy YES: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpDUq6yKe7iliqc

[@witherblaze]

Felicia the Bard is my favorite

[@Too-Much-Caffeine]

@Viktor Magnusson that's a disservice to her legendary title. You say the whole thing every time 😤

[@Kimmy0721]

She's my spirit animal

[@timothybelleci3554]

I like the human fighter kobald wizard relationship

[@FatalPapercuts]

Had a buddy that played true neutral as "I don't have an opinion on anything." It was...frustrating.

[@beefedupkronks4371]

I would comment but I dont really have an opinion on it.

[@wow50000]

i would insert my opinion and put something worth reading but i dont have an opinion on it

[@lordxamwethoudeis]

...So they basically just went, "I have no strong feelings one way or the other"?

[@dylanmorris5352]

@@lordxamwethoudeis Yes

[@FatalPapercuts]

@@lordxamwethoudeis The phrase "I'm true neutral, I don't care what we do" was used more than once.

[@Lightning-2153]

Best advice I've ever heard: Don't play your alignment, play your character.

[@edex59]

One flaw: If the DM ever forces alignment onto everyone, it’d be quite hard to “play your character” without, A: having to say “it’s what my character would do.” Or B: switching alignments every 2 minutes.

[@BolasMinion]

Lawful Evil is perfect for evil Warlocks, as it means that they're so good at keeping promises that they made a deal with a higher power with a consequence of eternal damnation or nonexistence

[@darkmoon2503]

What I wish I was: Neutral Good What I actually am: Chaotic Stupid

[@nerdyogre6683]

I prefer to play stupid neutral.

[@CubanSpartan]

[X] I am in this comment and don't like it.

[@bluefan898]

Hmmmm. Have you considered making snickerdoodles for the party? In general balancing out by doing nice things for your party works wonders.

[@connorporter7106]

Same

[@J_Squatch]

*C H A O T I C D U M B A S S*

[@byronsmothers8064]

Chaotic good: Screw the rules, there's people to save!

[@theomnissiah-9120]

Byron Smothers lawful evil I saved the world So I can rule it

[@maximelepage7664]

True neutral: I can't do anything because by doing something I will pick a side and that's not neutral.

[@ZombiePotatoSalad]

Lawful Good: Screw the people, there's rules to save!

[@AricHaldan0782]

@@ZombiePotatoSalad technically more lawful neutral, but it do often be like that when people be roleplaying them lawful good guys :p

[@fablewright8300]

"No one will pick lawful evil" I see someone's never sat down at a table of Vampire players.

[@jaywalmoose9623]

There's an entire vampire rpg called Vampire: The Masquerade. It's too dark and brooding though, I prefer DnD.

[@tkurz3071]

I play Lawful Evil, but as a good character. I run an establishment that serves and helps the community but at night I usually blackmail cheat and kill my competitors.

[@jerp8110]

I have a Lawful Evil character and in the first session I played him he stepped up in the middle of a witch trial and said "Let me do the honors of burning them" all for his reputation

[@AlexActually]

I'd be afraid to cut myself on all the edge at such a table.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@jaywalmoose9623 It's only as dark and brooding as the table want it to be, just like any other system.

[@AflacMan13]

I like how the opening here is basically the really nice person's equivalent of "but it's what my character would do." :-P JoCat... you are awesome dude. :-)

[@luis_pinto]

I just want to remind everyone that today's JoCat's birthday Go wish him a happy day!

[@greatskullz6166]

no

[@renatoafonsomaiacarneiro950]

WTF! 5 of my friends make birthdays today too holy shit XD

[@williamwontiam3166]

Happy bday

[@dashaunf5482]

Luís Pinto happpppppppppppppppp b day

[@animefreak122ist8]

If this is true happy birthday dude

[@coracorvus]

3:37 "Please don't throw my Lego Eta-2 Actis-class Interceptor in the toilet" shows a Lego Delta-7B Aethersprite-class Starfighter being thrown into the toilet

[@machinedramon3532]

Lawful Evil be like:

[@aidensteacorner]

I was about to comment this lol

[@LJL85]

"Muerder Hobo" that describes soooo many characters that I have had on my tables!

[@rgderen88]

It's fun to be a murder hobo

[@justanotherguyontheinterne7889]

My players burnt down a village and then enslaved the survivors and forced them to eat the ashes of the village they burnt down.

[@rgderen88]

@@justanotherguyontheinterne7889 Holy fuck, I wanna meet your group so I know who to avoid in real life.

[@lestiduzaddison8785]

They had to die, they insulted my outfit. "Its just the rules I dont make'em"

[@cheshire2348]

I have like... One character that is truly that. All the others are either good, ambiguously good, or have the potential to be extremely bad.

[@ethribin4188]

This is the best allignent explenation on the internet. Especially when talking about what good and evil are.

[@FreshestPrinceOfNepal]

Huh, it seems people get angry at JoCat for giving them JoCrap who dare attacks the precious boy for his memey man persona

[@JOfJaZ]

Gasp, Jocat is telling us that a video series known as “crap guides” aren’t meant to be taken seriously? Oh my god, next thing you’ll tell me he’s not a buff light skinned wiggler headed herculoid! P.S. one rule that should be for all alignments is don’t use them as an excuse to be “that guy”. We all aren’t gonna think you’re cool if your paladin kills the warlock and rogue because they are evil and you just smite them because your lawful good daddies told you to. We’re just gonna ask you to leave.

[@DrakonLameth]

My paladin would probably slap that paladin. Potentially with their own warhorse if needed.

[@rubbersoulman5533]

my paladin would provoke the warlock and rouge, and he's lawful neutral

[@Sandman382]

To be fair. If they are playing a Lawful Good Paladin in anything that isn't 5e. Them killing a Evil aligned warlock/rogue is in keeping with how they NEED to play the character in many cases. The codes are kinda binding to keep playing their character and if the evil asshole does evil asshole things in front of the Paladin and he DOESN'T have some greater good he's needing to work with them for his only options are leave the party, arrest them, or kill them. The rogue would PROBABLY get more leeway then the warlock though because rogue evil is 'I pickpocket someone' to 'random murder', while warlock evil ranges from 'I'm serving a devil for my power and he is furthering his evil goals through me' to 'lol I burnt down the orphanage for the luls.'. 5e gives a bit more bredth to Paladin with no need to be Lawful Good and having a couple different oaths they can take that don't give a crap about other people being evil.....but in both versions if you are going to have Evil party members and a Paladin in the same group you need to talk this out and either work it out, agree that you don't mind interparty conflict in this adventure or that its part of the adventure, or one side needs to back down. You don't shove two non-functioning things together then blame only one of them, both are at fault for not working out this obvious problem before it even happened.

[@blankflank3488]

@@Sandman382 I played a mostly pacifistic, lawful good cleric once, and dealt with the crap from the rogue that was slowly getting more and more evil. Finally we got to a room with a bunch of petrified people, and I'm like "doesn't matter how long this takes, I have to heal them!" Well the rogue decided he was bored and started bouncing all over the place... and he knocked a guy over, who shattered into pieces. So I pulled out my mace, which did radiant damage, and hit the rogue, a vampire, square in the face, with a natural 20. Instant death, and I did not feel sorry about it because it was 100% in-character (and the player was getting bored of his rogue anyway). Felt really awesome afterward tho lmao.

[@ataiambus5046]

I would say, if you have players of opposite alignments who are going to find themselves trying to kill each other, really the only way to do it is to have a group talk about it and turn some of the characters into NPCs. An in-game spontaneous fight between players seems like a very definite route to a disaster. For a final battle a serious PVP like this could be really awesome (tough the DM must ensure it is balanced enough to be climactic and that no character suffers an insignificant death), but anything more would be really hard to run.

[@AG-tk8by]

me starting the video "oh c'mon, a discaimer, so unnecessary" me watching the video "... I see"

[@minecrashinhard]

I'm glad he didn't hold back

[@AG-tk8by]

@@minecrashinhard Me too!

[@differentlyabledmuslimjewi4475]

It was decidedly mild in the end if you ask me.

[@AnnieMay14]

In my group we don't use alignments. I'm the DM and I want the characters to grow and develop without being chained to some alignment. We never had any trouble with this arrangement and it lead to some great stories so far.

[@TheMrBonzz]

My alignment is a Grandpa Because I don't know what I'm doing most of the time, and my party members need to keep reminding me of shit i had, have and how to use them.

[@theoptimist5366]

Damn. You just gave me an idea for an ex-Arch-Wizard who's slipped back down to level 1, is useless in a fight, and tends to get fired up after the fact when the urgency of the situation finally makes its way through his deaf-as-a-postness and senility...

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Clint McElroy.

[@WAAAAAAGH]

"Nobody will ever pick LE" *Laughs in Palpatine*

[@joshuachristensen9731]

I am the senate

[@koboldprime2257]

*Unlimited Laughter*

[@backseatgaming914]

Oh, someone who wants to be a lich but would otherwise be a lawful good character would play lawful evil. Not that I’d know anything about that. 😅

[@nate51691]

A LE merchant is one of the most fun characters I've played. Trying to find ways to trick people into giving me more money, goods, power, etc., without them feeling wronged / with them actually thinking I was a great, benevolent, and even philanthropic individual, is such a fun time.

[@BVasquezp]

Why not? LE is basically THE way to be evil and get away with it publicly, as good ol Plaps can atest.

[@Deamons64]

Word of warning. If anyone comes to the table with a sheet that reads Chaotic Neutral Rogue, keep an eye out, chances are, you're at the table with THAT GUY. Edit: ok, I get it, not everyone who plays CN is that guy.

[@isaacrenaud5686]

I extend that word of warning to just about anyone who brings a character that reads Chaotic Neutral.

[@patheronaetherson2860]

Not every cn rogue is That Guy, but those that are are more widely known than the rest.

[@dolphincat1446]

Am I the only one that doesn’t know what you mean when you say “that guy”

[@Reluxthelegend]

TBH, I find the worst are the lawful good that want to commit goblin genocide.

[@saelethil]

The random KZbinr it’s the asshole player. Be it his actions in RP, or min maxing, they are always a pain to play with/against (also, he knows the entire monster manual, can rules lawyer when it benefits him, and (mostly) be an asshole out of character too)

[@thecrazyastrogirl]

2:44, middle Animal Crossing time travel exploit reference?? Okay lmao I love it

[@Nuthouse01]

"A slutty weeping angel" Jo what have you done to me, that image will be with me for the rest of time and it's your fault

[@EndermTheSwordsman]

Well...I guess you'll never see them...Cumming! *Lenny face with big smile*

[@roxasthegreek]

And the image of an angel is an angel, have fun

[@selenagamya1612]

"I can't do it if you're watching!"

[@robertnett9793]

@@selenagamya1612 That's what blindfolds are for...

[@Enderzombie2020]

a weeping angel except when you look away it sex's you

[@jonasboel2473]

00:28 to be fair, if you retook the test to get slithery, you're a slyhterin

[@Alizudo]

And if you had to re-take the test a second time at all, you're a Slytherin

[@greenyawgmoth]

If you retook the test to get hufflepuff... ...haha just kidding no one does this

[@justafaniv1097]

IDK, saying "screw you test, I choose what I want" is a pretty Gryffindor move.

[@jonasboel2473]

@@greenyawgmoth I mean i'm hufflepuff, though i didn't have to retake the test to get it. every single person and test agree.

[@janTesika]

picking exactly the answers to get Slytherin is a very Slytherin thing to do...

[@thatguy763]

Me: Puts lawful good on my character Me 20 minutes later: Yes, I do poison my friend’s drink.

[@tafua_a]

Maybe your moral code says nothing about poisoning people and your friend revealed themselves to be the universe's biggest threat

[@Iivaitte]

But did you have a reason to?

[@thatguy763]

Iivaitte The only reason I had was because I was shown the opportunity to do it.

[@mrsmeee1843]

Maybe your friend is evil and is a tyrannical warlord and the only way to save the many is to kill him

[@thatguy763]

Mr Smeee No... he’s just.... existing. And I choose to poison him. No reason why.

[@jamesfilms_]

My friend unironically recommended this series as a way to learn about characters

[@awesome1lunger441]

Everyone here is trying to determine JoCrap's alignment but his alignment is in the description

[@sniderealism2410]

No. That is JoCat's alignment. JoCrap's alignment is SnS.

[@pragmat1k]

This comment should be pinned.

[@nicomoist5336]

As a trans guy, i impulsively want to make a transgender joke but I'm not intelligent in that so i won't mind someone helping me out.

[@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595]

@@sniderealism2410 Which would mean that he's True Neutral because in the Monster Hunter alignement chart the SnS is in the True Neutral spot

[@sniderealism2410]

@@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 Nope. His alignment is still SnS because Monster Hunter doesn't use alignment charts. The one we saw in the video is a fan made one made by a fan who wants to add a personality to inanimate objects.

[@ripley4337]

"Nobody ever picks lawful evil" *laughs in the distance with lawful evil characters*

[@BlueBeast125]

Same, next character I want to play is a LE Yuan-Ti War Cleric

[@antaresmaelstrom5365]

The biggest reason I've not yet played a LE character is that I can never really think of a good enough end-goal/thematic motivation for having that approach for my character. EDIT: Basically I can't think of anything except some form of generalized nihilism or the stereotypical 'take over the world' ideology as a reason. Do you have suggestions?

[@docmnc8010]

I don't think I've ever run for a party without a lawful evil character. They're always a ball to have around

[@ratholin]

oh man I had so much fun with lawful evil when a lawful good character got alignment swapped by a cursed item that I ended up making a few on purpose at later times.

[@RyeFields]

Most of my characters are LE, and it rarely actually goes wrong in the party, but with NPCs OHOHOOO

[@daringdarius5686]

4:37 just wanted to say this is completely accurate. In my most recent campaign, I had to dissuade someone from playing the stereotypical Rogue (he was just going to slowly kill the party because "lol I'm so random! :p" and instead asked him "what do you think a LAWFUL ____ rogue would be like?" We eventually came up with an adequate background, and we have a Lawful Neutral, professional Rogue who's sole specialty is... Lock Picking! (He's got a fuggin +9 on lockpicking checks and he's only level 5 ;-;). He came from a rough childhood, where his friends taught him how to rob and steal, but he always hated it, but only did it because, well, he was going to starve to death. After being kicked out of his home, he decided to do the only thing he knew how to, lockpick! BUT! He's an ethical lock picker! He goes to company's and banks, picks their vaults, and tells them all the faults of their systems. He sneaks in, opens the vault, leaves it open with a note saying "You might want to update your system. If you want some advice or a consultation, please refer to '______'. I'm currently staying at the Flying Crane (Tavern)." Being a lawful neutral rogue, he's willing to open locks, but not steal. Willing to jump in and be a good Samaritan, but refuses to kill. If the opponent does die somehow though, he feels nothing for the death, just disappointment at his lack of being able to calmly subdue the man. The character has had some "growing up" to do in the campaign as the rest of the party is either chaotic neutral, neutral evil, or just plain chaotic evil. Being the only lawful character in the group, he's had a tough time fitting in, and the rest of the crew basically more or less are just using him for picking locks, and essentially treating him like a tool. The party dynamic is also really interesting in how it's been put forth. I like it thus far, just wish the rest of the party weren't such... murder hobos...

[@Raincoat1248]

That is a beautiful character, please update on how it continues

[@dawildbear]

JoCat: I'm good cop Also JoCat: I'm bad cop

[@SvviftDeath]

I love how the little Barbarian Girl is Neutral Evil.

[@bilalozkul8826]

What

[@SvviftDeath]

@@bilalozkul8826 Watch his crap guide to Barbarian ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3i3nHp8hsxmiNk ) then @1:10 on this video.

[@thoren7842]

when a meme video has a better understanding of the alignment than 95% of players

[@horserage]

Debatable.

[@hulkex6575]

@@horserage no it is not JoCrap is our one true savior

[@commandercaptain4664]

@@horserage What's your point, person within 95% of players' distance?

[@normalboy2907]

There needs to be a Crap Guide for Multiclassing. Like the “Sorcadin,” or the “Bardlock.”

[@FonVegen]

Can we get an Abserd entry if we go that route?

[@demi-femme4821]

Barbarian/Rogue

[@sathona5898]

@@FonVegen never speak his name again

[@sathona5898]

as someone who has played a sorcadin to level 9 your spell slots are reserved for smite, shield, and fireball. That's it, that's all you need. Sorcery points and metamagic are for quickened fireballs so that you can deal 70 damage in one turn on low rolls and only for quickened fireballs so that you can deal 70 damage in one turn on low rolls

[@MobiusChickenStrip]

Remember all, never say "SorcLock", say "Warcerer" because it sounds way funnier.

[@couragew6260]

2:44 That Sly Cooper REFERENCE!!! Love it!!!

[@baitposter]

Lawful is the one I see the most disagreement about Most useful interpretation I think is Lawful = principled / has principles they adhere to, making them more predictable in some ways. Chaotic has no constraints and goes with the flow. Good vs. Evil can just be Kindness/Selflessness vs. Generally Agreed Upon As Detrimental Selfishness (sadistic schadenfreude included only on a personality specific basis) True Neutral would entail being able to make dynamic exceptions on your principles as needed, relegating them to guidelines, while being self-serving and other-serving in equal measure

[@drago939393]

Awesome summary.

[@erockandroll39]

I'm not sure if principle is the right word. One may have a principle to only steal from the rich and give to the poor. (A classically chaotic good act.) I mostly associate lawfulness with honesty. That they treat a gentleman's agreement like a formal contract. Chaotic people would rather not be tied down by such commitments.

[@baitposter]

@@erockandroll39 _(final clarity/conveyance edit, for real this time)_ That's a fine criterion to tack on, esp. for Lawful Good characters, though I think I can see a Lawful Evil character being fairly dishonest, such as in contract wording or technically correct deceptions (which are dishonest), while still consistent and predictable in how they operate and adhere to their own code of conduct or an intricate philosophy. Meanwhile, the chaotic operate predominantly on whim and whimsy.

[@baitposter]

@@erockandroll39 You did get me thinking on this again anew, though, and I think we just need a new pair of alignment scales altogether. Perhaps a Y axis based on _presentation/appearance_ of character (e.g. light vs. dark), and an X axis of Stability-Volatility. (e.g. A stable light-presenting character could still be quite evil, but outwardly, you could assume they look like a paragon of what's good and holy, without giving away their actual personality. Like games with uncaring apathetic angels) Alignment detection spells should just be relegated to determining whether someone intends harm to your party or not, contextually based on what the party considers harm (e.g. injury, theft, etc.)

[@erockandroll39]

@@baitposter I wouldn't try over thinking alignment. Especially when it doesn't have the same stake as it did in older editions. I'm inclined to believe the main determinant should be a character's core philosophy. In 3.5, they mention that while a dog may be loyal and a cat free spirited, they don't have the capacity to understand morals and ethics, and thus will always be true neutral. And I generally believe that characters will have pragmatic reasons to adopt those philosophies. (Good, because helping eachother means we all do better. Evil, if the best way to get ahead it to step on everyone else. Law, because honesty and honor gives you status. Chaos, if it's better to keep people guessing )

[@kendrickrochelanzot2053]

A disclaimer? Who would get offended by comedic genius and over a game?

[@lucensei]

apparently people who can't read the disclaimer rip

[@sunfucius5892]

have u seen twitter

[@hilkmeister1382]

The smoothest of brains

[@FrostSylph]

This is the internet.

[@ChasSM]

Lol

[@jpereda97]

Remember that throwaway joke about having a teasing banter with a friend and not knowing if it actually hurt their feelings? That's Jocat's alignment

[@luigipotter16]

I know I'm being ironic on this, but Yoshikage Kira is Lawful Evil. In his famous introductory speech, he lists his daily life, and how he follows a strict schedule. For anyone that's confused, there is a moment where you can see a Jojo alignment chart at 1:13.

[@luigipotter16]

Also fuck you Jotaro's Neutral Good. JOKE

[@aramilrogue]

All jokes aside, you are the first person who has managed to put into words how I view the alignment chart. It's not laws or LAWLS, it's how /you/ do things

[@jadonwinchell2421]

Jocatherine: Exists* Rule 34 Artists: "Write that down, write that down!"

[@choninja21]

I see it more as JoKaren personally

[@peterlane7128]

And here I was thinking Joessica

[@Artrysa]

@@peterlane7128 I like that one

[@choninja21]

@@peterlane7128 Yeah that's way better

[@ITakeItGood]

Before my first D&D game, we had an hour long conversation with the DM on how burning a brothel could be considered chaotic good. My bard wound up with -2 intelligence, so I rolled with it.

[@magnagamer8256]

XD

[@lazilexi]

Ba dum tss

[@Boxygirl96]

0:28 dropped everything I was doing and returned here once again because “or am I” popped into my head and I had to hear it again

[@AstroTibs]

Alignment is a fun idea, but it should be descriptive, not prescriptive.

[@Naoise012]

It is, the problem is a combination of characters not turning out to be what you intended and people trying to frame their acts in a certain way because they think alignment is subjective. Your alignment can and should change based on your actions and what you set it as in the beginning is just what you intend for the character.

[@AstroTibs]

@@Naoise012 I meant, "it should be treated as descriptive, not prescriptive." Failing to do so is what results in what you're describing, unless I've misunderstood.

[@Endershock1678]

Draiocht Tepes The worst for me is when people disagree on what alignments mean. Once, I had to argue with my team because my Lawful Good Sorcerer didn't want to kill a quarter vampire (because to them, Lawful Good means I love to kill evil) even though I specifically said my character was a pacifist.

[@Naoise012]

@@Endershock1678 god, that's the worst. Like, "oh yes please tell me more about how I'm playing my character wrong."

[@Endershock1678]

@@Naoise012 Like seriously. If my pacifistic character didn't want to kill a quarter vampire because they weren't evil, how would you set their alignment? So not wanting to kill undead makes me chaotic evil now. It's not like I literally devoted my life to charity and vowed to always help and heal those in need, even those who are evil. It's actually worse in context. First of all, the vampire was clearly a victim, no arms or legs, bleeding to death when we reached her, and had seemed to undergo some kind of trauma and torture from somebody we just killed. Second, the DM actually sided with me after the event, and was even taking my side while everyone was arguing with me by supporting things I was saying like "I never said that" or "Yeah, she's only a quarter vampire", and when the whole debacle was over, the DM said that I was in the right. He even said he was trying to get the team to help her, since she could help us in our quest. Third, WE HAVE A HALF ORC IN OUR PARTY! They said we needed to kill the quarter vampire because "All Vampires are Evil" and blatantly ignored the half orc in our party.

[@viniciusfrj]

Me: *sees Sly Cooper insignia* I see JoCat is a man of culture as well

[@mariushughes8906]

Right? I can't even count how many times I've tried using Sly Cooper as a reference to stuff and no one knows what the hell I'm talking about

[@viniciusfrj]

@@mariushughes8906 Sly Cooper was my favorite series back in the ps2 days, im still mad they didn't make a sequel for Thieves in Time though

[@brendonhavener]

Sly Cooper and Jak and Daxter.

[@viniciusfrj]

@@brendonhavener two masterpieces from old that deserve a lot more attention than what they got

[@ccvcharger]

@@viniciusfrj agreed

[@aganaom1712]

they're more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules

[@CraftBasti]

I see what you did there, good reference

[@dylanmorris5352]

Literally the best way to play the game.

[@omarzobal8621]

well, we know what you can suck if you are desagreeing

[@CraftBasti]

@@dylanmorris5352 while true, he probably posted it mostly for bering a pirates of the caribbean reference

[@Helmyir]

Easily the best way to describe alignments. As a newcomer who wasn't too sure about how to align my characters, this was helpful.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

That probably won't matter. There's a very good chamce it will never come ip in an entire campaignm

[@enderevangames8376]

A jocrap video over 4 mins? Now this is where the fun begins

[@noobandfriends2420]

Well about a minute of it was him making some weird sound that resembled music?

[@chemistweeb]

Jocat: softest bestest bean Jocatherine: softest bestest bean but likely soon to be r34 material

[@poltergeist4288]

Andres Strider oh no. Why would you say that. It’s going to happen and nobody can stop them. Oh how I wish we could stop them

[@Zerpderp0]

Already is in my mind.

[@johnyshadow]

@@poltergeist4288 Do you? Do you really? ;)

[@poltergeist4288]

Johny Shadow maybe ;)

[@Querliqueue]

Plot twist: Jocatherine is a softdom

[@CrimsonHellkite666]

Bubbles isn't evil, she is the sweetest most innocent animal torturer ever.

[@justincaviness]

CrimsonHellkite666 Man, the Powerpuff Girls have gotten way darker since I was a kid.

[@ZekeStaright]

H A R D C O R E

[@RMOB]

I have my doubt with that. Remember Fluttershed??

[@SailHatan01]

RMOB you mean SHED.MOV?

[@RMOB]

@@SailHatan01 Yep.

[@morphingninja]

I feel like having characters which fall within the Neutral spectrum often either hit the "party mediator" or "party spectator" role.

[@djthefox6762]

hey thats me im the party spectator definitely not a stalker..

[@morphingninja]

@@djthefox6762 Oh, the rogue is doing rogue things, and the barbarian is brawling? I'll grab the popcorn!

[@djthefox6762]

@@morphingninja I wasn't even a rogue XD

[@icarue993]

Well, this clearly shows one thing: JoCat is really a fan of Zero Punctuation.

[@Gingerbreadley]

“Nobody will pick lawful evil” I’m always so alone. It’s definitely the most fun archetype in my mind.

[@anemoi6803]

Its really the only form of evil you can have in a good party. Like, yeah I'm sacrificing people to a dark god who might one day end the world but y'know, we were gonna kill those guys anyway and my delving into deep arcane secrets for that god really is at worst just me enabling

[@sosanmia3]

@@anemoi6803 I suppose that makes me an anomaly then? XD I have a chaotic evil character and I work great with my lawful good homie

[@Bladez10]

Honestly would love to play a lawful evil guy in a party of good and/or neutral characters. Just have to make sure his goals line up with theirs and since he'd know pissing off the other party members is bad for him, he'd go along with what ever they do for the sake of furthering his goals. Plus I'd be devils advocating when ever their is a moral delima.

[@DrunkManSquakin666]

My brother! I have such a hard time finding a DM who'll let me go LE. Last one legitimately thought that a CG person would burn down a village and kill thousands, just to take out the BBEG. I literally had to sit there and tell him what GOOD meant and how he was more likely describing someone who was Chaotic EVIL. XD Needless to say, I never joined his playgroup.

[@stevie_ily]

It's really fun in mafia campaigns. A group of ambitious associates backstab and grease palms all the way to the top of the family tree.

[@shandaniel2999]

*Only acts in their own interest and will kill anyone who gets in the way Guys I’m chaotic neutral not chaotic evil!

[@alfredwinchesterjr]

Shan Daniel evil would just do it because.

[@bskec2177]

Chaotic neutral kills those who gets in his way, chaotic evil goes out of his way to kill. Sort of. If killing those in his way will cause more problems, chaotic neutral will find another way, chaotic evil will find a way to not get caught.

[@Hitlinemoss]

Chaotic neutral will kill in their own self-interest, chaotic evil will kill because it IS their self-interest.

[@rebeccastapley1273]

In one of the campaigns I ran a child disappeared and while the PCs were exploring a cave they met an important NPC who had been turned into a rat, who was supposed to give them clues as to how the child disappeared (the child had also been turned into a rat, as well as many of the villagers). One of my players was a druid who was purely driven by greed. He hated humans and the only reason he had for being in the town was an informant was supposed to meet him there to provide information about his deceased father's hidden riches. He was very excited to talk to the rat until he found out he used to be human, at which point he refused to listen to him. I gently pressed him into conversing with said NPC who described his role in the village as being a fisherman with a wife and baby girl who was the sole provider of one of the town's most important resources: river bass and other fish. This PC at first refused to help him, then admitted he would only do so if the man could pay him (which was impossible because not only was he a rat but he hadn't been at the fishery for a couple days so he would be behind in work orders). Eventually he finally conceded to helping the man... if the NPC would forget about his predicament, the town and his family for at least a day and assist the player as one of his pets, stripping him of all pride and dignity. Even after all of this my player wouldn't believe I considered his character to be an evil character.

[@bskec2177]

@@rebeccastapley1273 Still trying to understand a druid driven entirely by greed.

[@MortimerSCrane]

If Jocat and Jocrap went on a trip to save Jocatherine from a vampire. Could we call it Jojo's Bizarre Adeventure?

[@Artrysa]

Depends on how good your lawyer is.

[@Blace1018]

Only if JoCrap is the grandpa and JoCatherine is the mom. He also needs a Japanese JoCat, an Eqyptian JoCat, a French JoCat and a dog JoCat.

[@rgderen88]

You thought it was Jocrap, but in fact it was I, Jodio!

[@troytab6089]

That One Silly Anime Nobody Likes?

[@LastDragoon-wi7zo]

yes but we first need to establish which one is gonna be Jojo, otherwise it's just not gonna make sense Edit: my friend pointed out that the title would be spelled Jojos' Bizarre Adventure if there's two of them