A Dry Fire Drill to Help You See Your RED DOT!

[@alimaatouk5966]

I have to admit learning to use a red-dot was probably the most stressful, frustrating experience ever. I literally had anxiety and felt like giving up all together and switching back to Iron sights. After lots of dry firing and hundreds of rounds at the range I feel extremely comfortable now. Anyone else feeling like they want to give up don't do it keep trying and one day it will just click what you've been doing wrong.

[@Apolyion]

Hit the nail on the head. First time using a Trijicon RMR 2 on a Glock 19 Gen5 MOS. I always used iron sights or Tru-Glo on my duty weapons in the past and I was consistent, fast and very accurate. Now retired, went with the 19 for easy conceal. Man, with the red dot on i am about to throw it against the wall....lol I can't find the dot for shit. I must as well be pointing a stapler at somebody. Going to try these exercises and relearn the basics. TY for the post.

[@rfaux47]

Best most logical video I have seen yet about red dots on a hand gun!!

[@rickm4295]

This is good advice I think. I did this exact thing when I was learning iron sights. Just drilled that perfect presentation until i could do it blindfolded. Im hoping that having my presentation grooved like I do ; when my pistol gets back from the shop I wont struggle to bad. I took the leap this weekend and got my 1st red dot and cut. Should have it back in a week or so. Im cramming again for the new journey....thanks for the help

[@P3Tactical]

Having an already consistent presentation definitely sets you up for success!

[@SullyCortez]

Whoah.... dude.... I just subbed to your channel because this video just changed EVERYTHING for me. Why in the *%*#** I didn’t think about doing any of this simple technique fixing is beyond me. And I’ve HAD a training class lol. THANK YOU for this, what really helped was closing my eyes, and presenting, opening my eyes, and seeing where and how I was off.... VISUALLY SEEING the correction I needed to make, making it, then trying again. The first four times I was high and left. I corrected, tried again, and EVERY time after that I was spot on. This is HUGE!! Thank you

[@redghost1994]

Very helpful and to the point. Thank you for the info!! Keep up the great work

[@natemanger7322]

Been struggling with this since is started shooting. Thanks fella.

[@jeffgeesaman4386]

My dot is high every time also. I was a SIG guy and recently switched to Glock. After watching this I'm convinced its a grip angle issue between the 2 platforms. I just need to adjust my wrist angle also. Thanks for the good advice.

[@jimmyblankenship5774]

Try a little bit of pinky pressure as well.

[@Timewaits4no1]

I'm curious what made you switch to Glock? They make a good pistol, but I've always thought they were a little over-rated

[@jimmyblankenship5774]

@@Timewaits4no1 I owned a Sig before my current Glock and it was just the bore axis and grip for me. Didn’t like the way it felt to shoot.

[@jeffgeesaman4386]

Timewaits4no1 I went to some training using UTM ammo and they supplied the pistol and it was a Glock 19. After shooting it for a bit I just really liked the feel of the Glock. Ended up buying a gen5 MOS G19 and the 43X using the shield arms 15 round mags. Love both of them. Plus tons of aftermarket support for Glock vs all others.

[@Timewaits4no1]

@@jimmyblankenship5774 I had a similar experience with Glock. Absolutely nothing wrong with them, I just preferred other manufacturers pistols, and I think a lot of it had to do with the grip angle. Who knows tho, maybe I'll try 1 again sometime

[@TheAxe4Ever]

I get how a beginner can have trouble finding the dot. They still have to develop the fundamentals of the draw and presentation. But I’ve talked to so many guys that claim “they’ve been shooting for decades” with irons, and they can’t seem to find the dot upon presentation. All I can think is they may have been shooting “for decades” with piss poor fundamentals and bad habits. Maybe they were never taught. I literally just started with a red dot after over 4 decades of iron sight shooting. Not even a week on the dot yet. I installed it and took it right to the range to dial it in. I saw the dot right off the bat. I have some clean up work to do with it. But I always see it.

[@DavidConleycpataxnet]

Just got the red dot and these drills have helped a lot! Thanks

[@P3Tactical]

Awesome!

[@joehenry1524]

Going to have to try this for competition dry fire. I never thought about closing my eyes to start off with.

[@mcooper3530]

Great video!!!

[@CA2ATrucker]

Awesome!

[@reddragon6026]

The best explanation so far!

[@BoY860]

i didnt realize how much there was to drawing a handgun with a red dot, go me this nice setup and realized quickly theres work to be done aiming it. i will try these tomorrow . so used to iron sights its a big adjustment

[@P3Tactical]

Yeah man a lot guys presume that screwing a dot on the gun will instantly make them a better shooter. Turns out its a whole new sighting platform that absolutely has a learning curve the same way iron sights do. It's 100% worth it in the end though.

[@BoY860]

Update this helped a ton and now I got it on point, pun intended. Not sure I can go back now lol

[@P3Tactical]

@@BoY860 Fantastic man. Dot life forever haha.

[@Sheild_against_the_wicked556]

I guess I got lucky. I just got my first rds mounted handgun and I see the dot 85-90% if the time. But I've been shooting handguns for the last 14 or so years. Plus I play guitar so hand-eye coordination is natural for me. Idk.

[@NearMedia]

Another mistake is always trying to draw so fast cause thats what all the cool people do. Gotta take your time on it to be consistent. Work your speed up eventually.

[@WyWy0207]

Cool fun fact for some of you... The humin retina is more sensitive to green light than it is to red. Look it up if don't believe me.

[@hulufake]

It’s less about sensitivity and more about what color is more easily distinguishable from the most likely background.

[@PkwyDrive13]

I got my first RMR yesterday, and I put it on my 19X, first time ever using a red dot on a pistol. So I did about 50 dry runs yesterday drawing and presenting, I guess I already had good presentation because almost every draw I had the red dot right in the center. Although I have practiced with irons, I guess that helped?

[@P3Tactical]

PkwyDrive13 That’s awesome man. Some people definitely pick it up faster than others. But if your presentation is consistent you’ll be in good shape. Welcome to the dot life!

[@samalbanese464]

Solid advice

[@stevew3691]

Thanks so much for this video. Very helpful

[@roberttefft4322]

What say is very true.Thankyou...

[@Gio-od7if]

Great video, well presented! Subbed!

[@kennyb556]

So, I hate to be that guy. But, that polymer 80 lower and the m&p have the same grip angle. The Polymer80 doesn’t share the bump on the Glock grips, this doesn’t share the grip angle with the Glocks.

[@P3Tactical]

Kenny Burkhart I hate to be that guy but that just isn’t true. The polymer 80 is somewhere between a Glock and an M&P.

[@kennyb556]

@@P3Tactical Uh oh. Alright, here's Dan (one of the main guys at Polymer 80) even telling you: the polymer 80 frame is the same grip angle as the 1911. Are you saying you know more about the geometry of their frames than they do? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYbMeoKFfcqLn6s

[@P3Tactical]

@@kennyb556 All I know is that if you try to present a P80 the same way you do an M&P, it will be low. There is more to consider than just a geometrical measurement of the average angle of the grip. The first difference to consider from a shooters point of view is the relationship between how high the web of the hand gets on the backstrap, vs how high the fingers get under the trigger guard. So for example a commonly reported side effect when shooter get a trigger guard undercut is that they start presenting high. Another thing is the M&P has a palm swell, how exactly is the angle of the backstrap determined? Is it an average? Is it the angle the mag sits? Is the front strap? I'm not an engineer and I honestly don't know. But I do know shooting, and as far as "shooters grip angle", the P80 and M&P are not identical in my opinion.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

What if a person is a consistent mess? I mean they are still being consistent right?

[@P3Tactical]

Modern Samurai Project haha right you are sir! If you don’t have a good base of fundamentals the dot will just drive you crazy! Love your stuff by the way. I need to get up and train with you soon, I’m not too far away in Charlotte NC.

[@ModernSamuraiProject]

P3 Tactical Cool. Lots of classes coming up in 2018. Looking forward to training with you.

[@ABH313]

Dude awesome awesome content 👍 thanks

[@marryellen7713]

First off, I would like an on / off switch. When I am going to carry. I would turn it on before I lieve. Having the sight on while on my shelf is a dead battery to me. The sight is no good if the battery dies. The auto on would be additionally good feature. My first red dot is on a Sig Mosquito. Could not get a fair trial. The Sig failed every mag. Even after returning it to Sig two times at my expense, $80.00 each. I now have a Canak 9mm. First problem is finding the dot. Iron sights you have an immediate reference. You are looking down the slide and immediately Aline the sights. I also had a (maybe still have) adjusting the sight alignment. They put a slot alignment and locking screws. Very tiny. I could not find a screw driver small enough. The one I thought was small was only rubbing on the fixture around the screw and moving the adjustment screw. I was getting frustrated with my shot pattern being off. Finally I called Vortex. They sent an adjustment kit (free). Then it was not working right. I just could not get it right. I used a barrel laser alignment tool. I could see where I was moving the dot. I have only shot a couple of IDPA matches to be confident with my adjustment. When I talked to "Vortex". I suggested they replace the slotted screw with Allen screws. Much easier to a-line Allen wrench than a slot screwdriver. His comment was like it fell upon deaf ear. The battery kept dropping out as I attempted to mount the red dot on the mounting plate. I used transparent packaging tape to hold it in place. Worked great. I just cut the excess off after mounting and securing it. One thing the RED DOT and laser pointing dot showed me. I was shaking more than I realized. I am 76 and not a exercise person. I just started working my arms with weights and my fingers with a 7 lb "Cando Digi-flex" finger grip exerciser.

[@P3Tactical]

Sorry for my delay in responding to this it somehow didn't come through for me. I'm not sure I can follow the whole comment, but I can certainly understand the frustration with hobby grade optics and also the learning curve behind switching to red dots. If you get a quality optic, the battery life should exceed 1 year easily. If you want to leave it on all the time and be extra confident it won't die, change the battery every Jan 1 and July 1 and you'll be good to go. I want my guns ready to go at all times because I'm "armed" at all times even if I'm not "carrying" at all times. For example when I'm sleeping my pistol is not on my body but it is within arms reach. When I reach for it in the middle of the night I would strongly prefer to not have to worry about turning things on, I just want them to work. As far as learning to align the dot correctly and faster than irons, I would just have to recommend getting some training from a red dot expert. Take a class with myself, scott jedlinski, aaron cowan or another qualified instructor who is an expert with red dot equipped pistols.

[@Pistol2040]

Great, logical video with an amazingly low number of views for some reason. Maybe people don't like having guns pointed at them...

[@P3Tactical]

lol

[@TheLastWhiteKid]

You mean... People have red dots, and they AREN'T already doing this? This is the first thing I did with snap caps after mounting my red dot

[@si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906]

I have been practicing my presentation for a whole day. When I started this morning, my dot was way too high, in fact my front sight is in the center of the lens😂 that's kinda my old habit of shooting at really close ranges, so it compensates for height over bore. After a whole day, my dot is now at the center, still a bit close to the upper limit, but with my practicing, ai believe I can do better

[@P3Tactical]

Good work! Honestly I've found the dot can be a great training tool for improving your shooting overall even with iron sight only guns. It really helps expose some of those bad habits or areas that can be improved on that are harder to see with just irons.

[@JustinV911]

This aged well

[@denniskettinger9876]

Or practice drawing and presentation in completely dark room.

[@butchie2752]

Practice free at home? I’m with you.

[@JustDefense]

Nah

[@Curveball]

You went from an M&P to a glock? Man, you take training seriously.....going to an inferior pistol to make your training better. lol