A Nintendo Switch controller that’s BUILT DIFFERENT [NO DRIFT]

[@xbutton6540]

I've been after a controller EXACTLY like this for a long time. This sounds right up my alley. More companies need to start revamping stick and button technology

[@undefined7141]

Yep, ditto!

[@someryebread]

It’s about damn time, analog sticks haven’t changed in 20+ years.

[@MozTS]

Flight sim hotas has been hall effect for a decade. No going back

[@ChristopherFonseka]

Same - are there any alternatives that folks have been enjoying?

[@bassyey]

@@MozTS Damn, really? How come xbox and playstation isn't copying that.

[@terribletruth8201]

I feel like drift is mostly caused by manufacturing variances/issues. I barely play my Switch and when I do it's docked so I use a Pro Controller. Yet my joycon still got drift. Considering how much we beat up our N64 controllers in Smash and Mario Party yet they're still working literally 20 years later, I don't think it's the user.

[@SilvaShadow1990]

Oh course it isn't the user, it's the quality of parts used that gets me. Like Nintendo when it came to controllers were pretty innovative, Sony dual shocks aside.

[@thewhiterabbit133]

my xbox 360 controllers have been abused by my brothers for years yet still work with the only issues being stuck buttons while my joycons drifted after 2 months

[@battman505]

Some older controllers actually used Hall effect sensors, like the Dreamcast for example and a bunch of 3rd party controllers for other consoles.

[@soxar64]

it has to be luck of the draw, it takes nothing for some people to get drifting sticks but for me it took 2 years for example, and i used them for everything in those two years since i didn't have other controllers

[@PaulaS793]

You've been playing Mario party on N64 wrong if the joystick didn't come completely loose

[@dravenmario]

Heyo, I got your case study right here: I get controller drift like crazy, however I actually treat every single controller with tender care. I even did an experiment one time with a PS4 controller where I would only ever use it wearing gloves, and would put it back in the box immediately after using it. After a few months of semi-regular usage sessions, it still succumbed to drift. What confuses me is that I've seen people downright abuse their controllers and they'll insist they've never gotten drift. Yet I'm here keeping them sterile like hospital equipment and they still die on me after a few months. At this point, I just put a warranty on every single controller I buy. It saves me money in the long run.

[@dravenmario]

Side note: I like to consider myself a living example of why Luck is a real thing that does exist.

[@_chavaramirez]

Newer controllers use new joysticks with worse quality than before. My death stranding dualshock started to (slightly) drift after like a year of use. While my older dualshocks started to drift after 4-5 years with heavier use than my newer controller.

[@thewhiterabbit133]

@@_chavaramirez i can support this because my xbox 360 controllers work like new after years of abuse while newer controllers drift quickly

[@dravenmario]

@@thewhiterabbit133 oh yeah I can actually vouch for that too. I have an old Xbox 360 controller where the springs on the inside of the joystick are donezo but otherwise the joysticks are fine. No drift. Crazy shit.

[@selfloathinggameing]

Might br because people who serially abuse their controllers tend to replace them more often? That's obviously why Bob has never had drift, he uses so many different controllers that he probably hasnt used the sticks enough on any one to start drifting

[@GuliKit]

Hey Bob, really appreciate your testing a lot. You've done a great job!! Just want to say something here so viewers know more.:) You can set the analog trigger for two levels of its response, one level of travel sensing for games like racing and another level of quick action with little pressing. Also its vibration has different levels for setting to fit your preference. If you check its circularity, it has only 0.6% average error compared to 7% or even 10% around of all other controllers. Again our big thanks to you. We are very open to know different thoughts from players and committed to doing better.

[@alexfizz7402]

Hey, thanks for the extra info! I'm gonna order mine for sure!

[@charlottearanea7507]

Sounds good but imo hair trigger analog shoulder buttons still don't feel as good as having an actual trigger stop since there's no tactile feedback on the actuation point. If a version of this with physical trigger stops was made, it looks like it would be literally perfect, the absolute holy grail of controllers. Failing that, a version that just had digital triggers would be just as perfect, but for the Switch and non-racing PC games specifically.

[@AstralLovelace]

I ended up with the PowerA Pro Fusion that he mentioned in the video, and everything seemed great except that the Gyro felt somewhat ass -- it turns out it was only reporting gyro at 30hz or so. Dealbreaker for me. The advertising on this controller seems to almost specifically call out use for aiming on PC, which of course is almost always higher than 60fps... Can you sell me on the gyro of this controller? If so I'll go buy one immediately! Gyro is the only concern I have before buying this.

[@carlstokes7321]

Hi Gulikit, do you have a UK seller?

[@alexfizz7402]

@@AstralLovelace Just a curiosity questios. What games on switch or PC do you use the gyro on?

[@YouAreBreathing]

0:36 Before the word "drift" search term became synonymous with Nintendo, "drift" was synonymous with Tokyo.

[@NasiLemakTech]

I reviewed this controller late last year and I'm really loving this controller so far. That joystick is just amazing - very high quality and comfortable to use with good stick height too.

[@mitchelllinley9738]

My only concern is latency for wired pc gaming. Specifically for Rocket League. Would love to see some numbers compared to traditional Xbox one controllers

[@mitchelllinley9738]

@@kennethrather5859 I haven't been able to find any numbers on this thing. I ended up getting the newest Xbox controller that comes with the series x. And it's honestly a big improvement over the One controllers. Deadzones are way better and they fixed the LB and RB buttons so they don't break after light use.

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

the most awesome thing about these hall effect sticks, is that you can dial out the deadzone completely. making sensitive movements, ie., headshots, extremely precise. same with steering in racing games.

[@derekchance8197]

@@mitchelllinley9738 wired it’s fine but bluetooth it’s unusable due to the biggest latency I’ve experienced with a wireless controller and that’s after the firmware update.

[@GATERISTIC]

@@derekchance8197 What Bluetooth generation are you on? and is it a usb dongle or pcie adapter?

[@Giorgio_Parmanie]

1:50 That Bomberman 64 OST right there, perfect for those camera angles

[@SquishyHo]

right? he timed those so good!

[@someryebread]

Damn, I was expecting the price to be in the $130-150 range, $70 (official pro controller price) for these features is pretty freakin reasonable.

[@nani_bow3489]

Broke mine after week of use...

[@Threegale]

@@nani_bow3489 how????

[@FaderFlosser]

If it only had paddles

[@ewanb1086]

@@nani_bow3489 Wut

[@nani_bow3489]

@@Threegale button doesn't detect anymore and can't claim warranty by the seller

[@Antigen__]

I always love the roman ads and how disappointed with yourself you look when you do them

[@hylianlad]

Imma just throw it out there, has anyone ever seen WULFF DEN and penguinz0 in the same room together?

[@prestonrcasey]

What's causing drift? Short answer: Smash Bros

[@SquishyHo]

i had that with Zelda too. Never played smash. It's probably a specific kind of use that fucks with it

[@FaderFlosser]

That's what I'm saying

[@guardiangibbs2663]

Thank you for making that ad so awkward that I don't want to skip it due to my own sick curiosity.

[@AnthonyMiele]

I was talking with some people about Steam deck drift and they barged into the conversation and promoted this controller, I said we weren't talking nintendo and they said the stick could be installed for steam deck, if they make their own joystick daughter boards for steam deck that'd be sick! Oh wait Bob just mentioned that last part I'm too slow noooo.

[@HapsHaz44]

The Bomberman 64 song used was, once again, exquisite. Thank you for showing some love for a classic.

[@BraxtonKovary]

Yeah, ever since my controllers have been getting drift, my go-to controllers have actually been cheap knockoffs, and so far they haven't failed me yet! 😅

[@IrisThatOneGothMf]

What controllers are you using that don't drift? I am poor so this would help

[@Sharkcomet]

I remember the days where you could smash you xbox 360 controller on the wall or on your desk and it would work fine for another 5 years. Now I take care of my controllers and try to clean them often yet they start failing after 6 months...

[@RetroHellspawn]

"Motion assist on FPS on PC, is that something we really need?" Yes. Yes it is. 👁👁 Watch Nerrel's video on how motion aiming is a necessary step forward in the evolution of game controls. He's eloquently put what I've been saying since the Steam Controller for almost a decade now.

[@charlottearanea7507]

I was about to comment this lmao. It absolutely blows my mind that so many people still use analog-only aiming in 2022, let alone people who take gaming seriously enough to make content about it.

[@ppodders]

Nerrel is a god. One of his latest videos is a complete, comprehensive guide for enabling motion aiming on basically anything. And it features his cat

[@RetroHellspawn]

@@ppodders one could say... It was purrfect 😏🤣😂

[@cheetah672]

I'm glad more and more people are aware gyro aiming is the future of console shooters and we need to embrace it. Hell, I've been obsessively playing Fortnite having not really giving a shit about it for most of its life ENTIRELY because it has gyro aim

[@mexrell]

also see Jibb Smart's channel

[@martinng370]

Eren Jaeger to Zeke when asked what he’ll say to Mikasa 12:53

[@lanhikari4930]

I’ve never had drift with any of my joycons, even my original model that I got on launch day, but I still clicked on this just because I love your videos 👍

[@actofwar39]

Ok but who asked?

[@lanhikari4930]

@@actofwar39 I don’t remember asking you to reply

[@jameslewis3133]

You're so lucky I've had 4 pairs and they've all had drift. My record fastest time for a pair to get drift is 5 days

[@lanhikari4930]

@@jameslewis3133 I think bob would like to study you 😂

[@cosmicaler]

yes, because you represent everyone from the world, Mr. Important.

[@naga9939]

Wasn't noted in the video but it's pretty obvious when opening the controller : the triggers too are hall sensing they're actually just a chip on the board with a magnet included in the trigger and a spring

[@Furluge]

Bob they went with this design because it's easier to do. Like you said it's basically doing the same thing as a membrane. That means it's not going to complete the circuit before it bottoms out, which most mechanical switches do, but there may be other benefits to that design. It might last longer than rubber membranes for example. I don't know what it is but I've worn out the A on a number of recent rubber membrane controllers. They aren't make the rubber membranes as thick as they did back in the day.

[@escapetherace1943]

drift never even was an issue outside of being extremely rare, until nintendo decided to use the cheapest parts possible

[@lordnox69]

nintendo 64 had the same issue

[@fred_e]

@@lordnox69 My N64 controllers may be old and loose, but they certainly do not drift.

[@lordnox69]

@@fred_e you clearly never used it enough then pick up mario kart or diddy kong racing every one of my friends growing up always had the one controller no one wanted to use you half of the joystick becomes a dead zone the joystick just flops around i dont think i have ever seen a used n64 controller that did not have the issue

[@fred_e]

@@lordnox69 maybe you're right, maybe I just got lucky. Maybe you were dispositionally unlucky. All I can attest to is what I've experienced.

[@Manueleaf2]

Nah, check every controller, the problem was the dead center, specially on joycons, since the sticks are small the dead center is small, causing any slight change to have a major feedback. Also you can see ps5 controllers drifting as much as the joycons. The potentiometer sticks have always been flawed

[@karakter222]

The controller knows you are pressing a direction, it knows it because it knows where you are not pressing. By subtracting where you are pressing from where you are pressing, or from subtracting where you are not pressing from where you are pressing, whichever is greater. It obtains a difference, or deviation. The controller subsystem generates command using these deviations.

[@kronoase]

GuliKit controller is a game changer already for me. This is what gaming on my Switch is meant to feel like.

[@shinbakihanma2749]

I bought this controller for my Switch OLED, and I gotta say that it is hands down the BEST Switch controller, currently on the market. Better than the Official Nintendo Switch AND 8bitdo controllers. It is worth the price, trust me.

[@Kozy_K]

Thank you, I've been on the fence about getting something other than the official Nintendo controller, but I'm going to give this controller and try and hoping I like the feel of it.

[@xerxesmontes9828]

@@Kozy_K How has it been since then? I'm thinking of getting it too so I can play Demon Slayer with my gf

[@AshenDemon]

Shit, Nintendo has this problem that's so big that I learned about controller drift from Nintendo.

[@FairinArt]

This definitely sounds like a great deal. I'll probably wait until they release a V3 that improves on this with better vibration and more button options. Unless you release some future video going over how to mod it

[@sonicheroesenthusiast6121]

the vibration can actually be changed to be less or more intense with the gear button.

[@Gortall]

The use of Bomberman 64 music threw me right back home as a child. Oh, yeah, good review. :)

[@RogueRen]

If I could get like an 8bitdo Pro 2 with clicky buttons, it would be my ideal controller. I tried to do it myself but every switch was just barely too big and I didn't wanna risk ruining the controller by scraping the traces and wiring the buttons to the pads

[@mjc0961]

YES! I tried to do the same (was going to do it to the Sn30+ or whatever the old version is called, because I didn't want to ruin my Pro 2 not knowing what I was doing), but I couldn't find switches that were the right height either.

[@RogueRen]

@@mjc0961 I got plenty that were the right height, or close enough that you could just trim the inside of the buttons, but they were wider than the pads. These switches in this controller could maybe be a solution? 🤔

[@nicwelch]

Hall sensors have been around a long time. To say that they won’t ever drift might be accurate. However hall sensors can fail completely so maybe over time at one point they will just stop working. Time will tell.

[@thedualitysystem]

The gyro would be very useful for me in PC and the overall high quality build sounds nice. Macro is cool too. It seems like this controller would be great for PC users who like to mess around with the Steam controller settings. Making complete overhauls of a control layout. However I just can't get rid of that sweet sweet PS5 controller. I don't even own a PS5 but I bought a controller specifically to use on PC. Pretty much no other controller has a touchpad on it which can be used in a lot of different ways for PC. Headphone jack, usb-c, fancy triggers that can be modded for use in PC games, and some fancy lights to match my Razer gear and it's kinda hard to beat the PS5 on PC. I don't think I'll be picking it up but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this company to see what they do next. Which the Steam Controller out of production, the PC controller scene is desperate for someone to take it's place.

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

also, what people don't realize, that is so awesome about those sticks, is that you can dial out the deadzone completely. making sensitive movements, ie., headshots, extremely precise. same with steering vehicles. No deadzone while steering vehicles is awesome.

[@GuliKit]

Thanks again Bob. Please don't mind that we tell something more here for gamers. This new controller also has Turbo, buttons swap, all customized settings by only mainly two or a few of buttons' combination on controller directly for stick sensitivity, vibration, Turbo, reset, quick stick calibration, Switch motion sensitivity, PC motion aim assist sensitivity, Autopilot gaming, and support multi-platform including Switch/Switch Lite, PC, Android, iOS,Mac,Steam, and its system upgradeable for bug fix, better performance or new functions.Thanks for all you gamer guys, especially Bob again!!

[@charlottearanea7507]

What is the fire rate of the turbo? If it's 15Hz or more it could be good for Metroid Dread speedrunners.

[@SizzylRuns]

does it have button remapping capabilities?

[@GuliKit]

@@charlottearanea7507 That's far not enough for such game play. Our controller got above 100 frames and very good for your play, and it has auto fire with press free and semi auto fire with press holding.

[@GuliKit]

@@SizzylRuns No. Thanks.

[@bassyey]

Does this work wired on PC?

[@lijahgil]

I would absolutely love to put the sticks and switches in both of my 8bitdo pro2's. I guess I could try buying this controller and then swapping the sticks, and maybe the buttons. Having Gyro, aligned thin sticks, back buttons, mechanical buttons, and buttons on the back would allow me to have the perfect controller!

[@crimsonemperor2219]

My old ps2 controllers which at this point might have gone through a few thousand hours of use still work like a charm after all these years, I wish they would make quality controllers like that again

[@michaeljordan6008]

Agreed

[@magnuslarsen9016]

The fact that there exist hardcore switch users that have never experienced drift is mindblowing to me. I have 5 joycons and a pro controller. 3 of the joycons have drift BIG TIME and my pro controller has a slight drift that comes and goes

[@rikou4214]

I spent upwards of 1400hrs of playtime on my Switch, the joycon has drifted veeeeery slightly, calibrated it and it's back to normal again. I guess I'm one of those lucky enough to get a pretty good joycon. I personally has fixed 3 of my friends' Joycons though.

[@danbooke2001]

I own 3 Switches, a launch model, the Mario V2 edition, and an OLED. I also have a Pro Controller, and 2 3rd party pro controllers for my daughter. Haven't had a drift issue ever. To add to that, I've been gaming for about 37 years now, owned and own pretty much every system since the NES and have only ever had a drift issue with one controller and that was a PS4 controller. I'm also pretty sure it was because I dropped it once. In all honesty I'm beginning to believe drift is made up or maybe people should take better care of their things. I mean I'm still using launch controllers for my 360 and PS3 and have no issues, and they have had heavy use over the years, trust me. 🤷‍♂️

[@magnuslarsen9016]

@@danbooke2001 i promise you that i have taken very good care of my joy cons. I have never dropped them or anything like that, i even have a very sturdy case for my switch. To be honest the pro controller is the one controller i have been a bit rough to, and by that i mean that i travel with it without putting in a good protective case, and as a i wrote before, the drift comes and goes on the pro controller, meaning it actually still works.

[@Furluge]

This controller looks almost exactly like what I've been looking for on PC. The only thing it really needs is A) 2 back paddles that are separate buttons PC so they can be used for more advanced functionality with Steam Control functionality. B) A switch to disable the analog trigger like on the Elite controller.

[@escapetherace1943]

back paddles are a meme, stop this

[@Furluge]

@@mimikyu4817 yeah I saw you can change the response but I physically would like to be able to block the travel like the xbox elite control is able to do. On PC setting the response curve is 100% open to any controller thanks to the software controls we have.

[@IceBlueLugia]

Yeah I’d love for back paddles. Not the kind that you can just map macros to, I mean the kind where you actually get 2 more buttons like the Steam Controller

[@numbtribal1550]

"What are you doing to your controllers to make them drift so quickly?" *Playing fighting games competitively.*

[@troopzaftv0]

playing fifa competitively usually ends up having my controllers not suffer from drift but from being demolished

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

what bob doesn't understand, that is so awesome about those sticks. Is that you can dial out the deadzone completely, making sensitive movements, ie., headshots, extremely easy.

[@keiz_]

Another banger video as always. Loving the content!

[@SonikkuAtrue]

Sega Saturn using Hall sensors: Sega Dreamcast using Hall sensors: Finally...

[@NotSoCheezyYT]

Fun fact: this magnet sensing tech is more or less the same principle that makes phono cartridges on turntables work.

[@FaderFlosser]

And the crossfaders on DJ mixers use hall sensors too!

[@MrMartellSincere]

I got the original model of GuliKit King Kong Pro controller and they're such kind professional people who answered back to my comments via the KZbin section. I'll continue to buy GuliKit products in the near future

[@AbeKozz]

kind of wish you talked about the D-Pad a little, good video though.

[@sweatyhotdabs]

I usually skip the in-video ad skits, but I watched this one. Had a good laugh at the Monster Hunter comparisons haha.

[@WitheredSpirit]

I wish they could have added back paddles as well. I've become accustomed to those, they are very useful for FPS games and Soulslikes. I'm hoping the next Xbox Elite controller will have these hall sensor sticks. Although from what I've heard that could be impossible with the way it has its stick pieces attached magnetically and the way the triggers already use hall sensors that it might cause interferences.

[@bland9876]

unless you can use the paddles independently of the other buttons buttons like you can on the steam controller/deck they will be gimped

[@WitheredSpirit]

@@bland9876 Gimped as in you're not getting extra buttons? That depends. Some software (on PC) can recognize the Elite's paddles as separate buttons. You can assign them to different key bindings. The problem is that not all games support multi-device inputs, especially if they come from controller and keyboard. One solution is to map every controller input to a keyboard/mouse input at that point. But no real situation at that point is "optimal." As long as the controller has the paddles, it will be a great addition. If they add in software like 8bitdo does with the Pro 2, or allow it to be recognized as an Elite controller instead of mapping to be solely done on device/hardware.

[@bland9876]

@@WitheredSpirit even if you have to use all controller inputs you can still do things with the paddles independently of the other buttons say you want the B button to be your jump button you don't have to map the paddle to the B button you can say map the paddle to be the left D pad and the right trigger at the same time. And even if your game doesn't like mixed inputs you can still sometimes find a few mixed inputs that work for example in fortnite there's a dedicated button to allow you to Sprint without you having to push forward on the controller and you can map that button to somewhere on the controller. Pretty handy when you have the regular sprint button mapped somewhere else that you don't really want to be double tapping.

[@diegonoy7445]

I like that the TV in the background is playing the The Lion King game from the Disney classic games collection.

[@wonderfulfable]

I have the exact King Kong Pro 2 controller, and it has been heavily used when playing FPS games on my Switch; Doom 2016 & Doom Eternal. The two thumbsticks with the ZL & ZR trigger buttons are smooth, no drift, and has strong rumble (dare I say even better than HD Rumble). The overall feel of the controller reminds me of using an Xbox Elite Controller.

[@tdistel]

One year later, how's it holding up? I've considered getting one as a second to my Pro

[@jesus042]

Bob really lays into this Bomberman 64 music and I have to say, it is really the greatest.

[@maksf1968]

Thank you ... I just couldnt remember where the music is from. But I knew it is familiar

[@jesus042]

@@maksf1968 welcome! I played it so much when I was young... great soundtrack.

[@Appl_Jax]

Out of curiosity, since it uses electromagnets to function, would holding up a strong magnet near the sticks affect it?

[@danielc5647]

Yes I watched another video and it puts a magnet and affects is slightly, in fact is the only way to be sure its using true electromagnetic joystick

[@TimidSylveon]

For those wondering why older controllers never had this issue, it's because tensions were much greater back in the day which helped keep the stick in the centre. Additionally, consoles like the Gamecube would automatically calibrate the sticks to the new 0, 0 x y at every boot so most people never noticed. Stick drift has always been a thing with potentiometers. It's just that manufacturers were better at hiding it before. Additionally, almost all controllers these days use ALPS pots with the exception of the Switch that uses a modified ALPS with a different pad leading to slightly worse lifetime. These pots are rated for a certain number of rotations. If you only play CoD, this number of rotations comes out to be 100 hours on average before failure and *every* controller with pots will succumb to drift around that time frame.

[@Fifth313ment]

I've done some testing myself. I got my switch and within six months I had drift. I keep my electronics super clean and when the joy on began to drift it looked brand new. Then my cousin, who plays most games with me online, also had drift around the same time that I experienced mine. Then I got new joycons as did he and we play a lot of games in which you have to press down the left stick to run. So going forward we mapped the run button to a trigger or face button. NO MORE DRIFT! I think the combination of pressing down on the stick and a direction causes the joycons to wear much faster than normal. So I think the reason some people never get drift is the face they only play certain games, EG Wulff here. I've also done a survey of those who have had drift and I ask what types of games they play most and those that have drift usually play third person or FPS. Does anyone fit into this methodology?

[@nicholasreyna2164]

Yeah I got drift from playing Minecraft, where your sprint by clicking in your joystick

[@IAmOfficialFame]

The lighting effects with that light bar makes your shots look great.

[@nottommythao]

Quick shout out to Christina Applegate!

[@lost0thech4]

Samantha Who, Married with children actress?

[@kaine7672]

*confused applause*

[@CasepbX]

Oh snap she died?

[@michaeljordan6008]

Worth saying again, this gentleman should be on a network sitcom. Talented.

[@Level1Sword]

Hmmm... I am seriously considering replacing my PowerA wireless enhanced controller with this. I really miss vibration when I use that controller.

[@SliminBlue]

This might be the best 3rd party Switch Pro Controller, or at least tied with like the 8bitdo Pro 2. Full gyro, rumble, no drift, good buttons, insane turbo settings, waking the console from sleep, heck this is the ONLY 3rd party Switch controller I've heard of that actually has NFC. The only things I can think of instantly that are missing are extra back buttons and even then some people just don't like having back buttons because they accidentally press them or can't reach them. All that and even PC support via USB, that's a really stinking good package. I've avoided buying an official Switch Pro Controller as long as possible because of the price, and I've been getting kind of close to buying an official one recently, but now I really have to rethink that with the 8bitdo Pro 2 being a great budget option and now this being pretty much a standard Switch Pro Controller for the same price with even more features than the official one.

[@ScorpionF1RE_USA]

better than 8bitdo 2., the most awesome thing about those sticks, is that you can dial out the deadzone completely. making sensitive movements, ie., headshots, extremely precise. same with steering in racing games.

[@JPHarringtonJr]

The Dreamcast controller was a train wreck (despite how cool VMUs were), but the joy sticks on them did feel great.

[@yuvrajsingh099]

So no one is Confused- 1st Gen Gullikit King Kong Controller(NS08) Gullikit King Kong 2 Controller(NS09) 2nd Gen Gullikit King Kong 2 Controller Gullikit King Kong 2 pro Controller The one in the video is King Kong 2 Pro Controller.

[@whosonedphone]

The only reason I'd be interested in this is if d-pad was any good. The d-pad on the Pro controller really sucks. And you didn't talk about a d-pad at all. Does the d-pad use mechanical switches?

[@Durkhead]

It looks like his light fixtures fell and he thought it looked nice so he left it

[@Gamescook]

But how does the d-pad feel? Is it click-y? Did it avoid the Pro Controller's adjacent direction input problem? Feel like any comparable official controller's d-pad?

[@mm3k224]

For the record, I've had my switch for almost 2 years, I've mostly played handheld, and no drift so far

[@oscar_dl]

Wow, I was so patiently waiting for this video man. I'd love to ask you a question: I've bought three of them, which I've all had to return because the ABXY buttons were getting stuck (or well, one of the buttons at least). Always one button ruining the whole package which is fantastic. Are the face buttons great and not sticky for you? Thanks! 🙏 PS: re-watched the video and heard you said the buttons are "very good". I'm honestly shocked as all 3 ones I had were getting stuck not even after 2 days of use, so no way it was just a random defect. Pretty confusing and sad.

[@rabidrivas]

Hopefully he responds

[@hereticsshallbecleansed7245]

It probably is because it's xbox style buttons. I have an xbox controller SX and they have the same issue, you have to press them straight not at an angle which is annoying

[@oscar_dl]

@@hereticsshallbecleansed7245 That's really weird, because my Xbox one is flawless in that regard. And it's not even about it being sticky or not, there's a big difference: Xbox controller buttons are much more tactile. I have no idea what Bob is prasing with the buttons, they're the biggest (and only) problem with this GuliKit model. They're not tactile enough (at all imo), and the supposedly mechanical switches don't provide anything valuable here.

[@Drewsefer89]

My Nintendo Pro-Controllers last about 1 year before they inherit major drift issues with the left joy stick. 3 of my Switch Pro-Controllers & one of my joy-cons all have drift issues. It's just a matter of time & I put a lot of time gaming in each year. I'd say about 2,500 +or- hours a year and you will receive left joy stick drift issues.

[@RGT85]

Wow more anti-drift narratives from Bob Wulff. SOME OF US LIKE DRIFT MAN.

[@BraxtonKovary]

U crazy man U crazy

[@SquishyHo]

this is not the kind of Tokyo Drift we're into, RGT

[@GreekoCanuck]

I was sure you'd comment about his sex drive over anything :-P

[@WulffDen]

Its not like doing donuts in the parking lot its different

[@anderspaulsson]

Try playing DbD with it, 2 xbox controllers including 1 elite controller(both original xbox/microsoft product) got insane drift on left thumbstick within 1 week of eachother(100+ hours of gaming) and the normal xbox controller was brand new aswell.

[@rgreen82]

True dude, smoked 2 ps5 controllers on DBD. One was a custom from aim controllers. I need this controller on PS5

[@noodohs]

While it would be nice to see them commit to fully mechanical buttons, I suppose a benefit of their approach is that you don't get as much wobble with the buttons as you would on, say, an Xbox controller. You then don't have to worry about the contact pads on the PCB being poorly designed like they are on, say, an Xbox controller, since the button will always press pretty much straight down. So it's kind of best of both worlds, the durability of membrane contacts but the feel and reliability of a mechanical switch.

[@erock.steady]

very pleased with mine. target has em for $59

[@kyleb5124]

For switch I've tested the Pro controller, PDP, Power A enhanced wireless, Power A Fusion Pro, Power A Nano wireless, 8bitDo pro 2, and none of them have felt perfect for me. I ended up keeping the Power A enhanced wireless and adding thumb grip caps to the sticks to make it more comfortable. I liked the 8bitDo sticks more but didn't like it's triggers or the distance between the trigger and shoulder button. I loved my Xbox 360 controllers and the Stadia controller ended up being really comfortable for me. Should I try this one out as a comparison to all those other controllers? Bob, have you tested this controller for long play sessions yet? How much does the trigger travel compared to the 8bitDo pro 2?

[@persechini]

I ended up getting this controller and am quite pleased. Doesn't feel as solid as the xbox controller, I had a few minor issues, but overall, pretty great - My left stick seemed to have some resistance white contacting the ring at the 1 o clock position, but poking it seemed to click it into position and the issue went away - I switched playing on pc and switch, and at some point I must've clicked the calibration buttons because I wasn't able to fully turn and mario kart anymore. The issue went away later after hitting the calibration again - I wish the plastic shell was more of an xbox clone (yes, even more) so we could use some of the same mods/accessories - After the the xbox series controller, it's jarring to use any other dpad - Metallic shoulder buttons and triggers would be better all black - The "clicky" buttons don't stand out particularly for me, to close to a regular controller button to consider it a buying point - The only larger issue is that the stick seem to be pretty heavily biased towards the the x and y axis, making nuanced diagonals harder. I don't know if this is the result of yet another option I activated unintentionally All these are all negative points are pretty minor or just aesthetic or were fixed with little effort and the controller is an excellent option if you like to keep using the same one in many systems or as a second controller that no one would would complain about using. The texture of the shell feels great and while I wouldn't recommend it over the 8bitdo Pro 2 for everyone, if you like the multi-system connection and prefer the xbox layout, I's say go for it.

[@raffikkiz]

The x,y bias will almost always be a thing. It's due to the use of springs. The springs are what bring the sticks back to 0,0. Some controllers have softer springs.

[@persechini]

@@raffikkiz I understand, but when I say heavily biased, it is in comparison to other controllers were any bias is soft enough to not be noticeable. And this was during play, not a calibration or input viewing app where it would be even more noticeable

[@ronniegonzalez7870]

this changed my life, more than time i met the pope

[@Imtempxst]

😂😂🤣😭

[@TheConfiteor]

Glad I got this when I did. They’re out of stock now.

[@Liam16]

not first

[@jacobrivera909]

Cap

[@Liam16]

@@jacobrivera909 i was first lol

[@konyption]

I've heard that the drift can actually happen from not using your controller frequently enough, dust build up essentially. I had a joycon that I owned for several years but maybe only put a couple hundred hours of use into and it started drifting so bad I had to replace it entirely.

[@delecti]

That Bomberman 64 music absolutely slapped me in the face with nostalgia.

[@sephatu6521]

Love the creative ad skits as always 😂

[@LaoziPoet]

You asked what we're doing differently to our controllers that they drift so quickly. Let me answer your question with another question. Don't you own 50 billion or so controllers that your constantly using, swapping, buying and reviewing? I own ONE pair of joy cons for a couple of years, and had to replace the joysticks twice (the pink one is due for a new one rn but it strait up broke. I think someone dropped it and didn't tell me). The problem slowed down when 2 things happened. 1, got the switch light, and 2, I started spraying compressed air in the joysticks (they're due for that too.) So what are we doing differently? Using them more.

[@brandon_leeroy135]

I appreciate when you review products like this.

[@bb_lou]

Just wanna clarify: buttons aren't mechanical. They're what we call membrane with slider, which is some weird combination of both mechanical and membrane. Aside from that, great video! The controller looks dope as hell too, I would have definitely picked one up but I just bought the Forza special edition series X controller cause it looked dope and unfortunately I'm a big rumble fan. This would have made an amazing all around switch and PC controller though, too bad HD rumble is still only a Nintendo thing so far, and even Xbox controllers seem to have better rumble than this one. Maybe one day they'll make one with at least better vibration.

[@wolfiemuse]

When he says mechanical buttons, he’s referring to the keyboard style buttons. Those are called mechanical switches as the common name.

[@bb_lou]

@@wolfiemuse I know, these are not mechanical switches, as I said, they're membrane with slider, as there is (surprise surprise) a membrane and a slider in a housing, but no mechanical connection is made anywhere in the key. It's just a slider pushing down on a membrane which shorts the pads on the board. They're also used in keyboards and have existed in that space since the 80's or even before. Chyrosran22 has a lot of dope videos on weird switch types, including membrane with slider if you ever wanna go down the rabbit hole.

[@wolfiemuse]

@@bb_lou Huh. Interesting.

[@patildo]

Wulff Den has some of the funniest sponsorship segments!

[@Leonidas_L._Lionheart]

Kezu's "floppy-head" the greatest mh-community joke EVER! xD

[@ghirockslog1736]

It's great that a company is willing to put hall effect sensors in their controller. Since, over time they'd probably sell less controllers because they aren't breaking on people. If they had a version or mod kit that put at least two back buttons like the 8bitdo Pro 2. And a hair trigger mod, hell it doesn't even have to be as good as that mouse click like new Scuf. As long as it lasted a year they'd have a serious contender on their hands. Even if it was as expensive as the Xbox elite, or Razer controllers knowing ur sticks are gonna last out of the box is crazy huge value. I just got the 8bitdo Pro2 and love it. I'd get the pro version of this controller for sure though. But, I'm glad it exists and hope that people enjoy it and the company sticks around making better controllers. Hopefully, it gets more companies to use the technology they are putting forward.

[@buckhardly5211]

Wulff Den videos feel like a fresh hot espresso and a blueberry muffin on a Sunday morning.

[@calypsoraz4318]

I had a friend who was going to get a different controller until I linked him this video and then we both bought a white one. Now he's linking me your videos haha

[@ThePalerider12]

Unfortunately these pads have QA issues, this is the first pad I have where the action buttons stick right out of the box. I could understand after years of use, pads do wear down over time, but this is a brand new pad, and the X button sticks coming up. From what I have read this is a common issue, so beware when buying, you may get one that is faulty.

[@conyo985]

I bought the NS08 non pro version. It's way cheaper, has the same hall effect sticks and triggers and the best it's not soft touch material. So it doesn't get as greasy as the pro version. I also purchased their XBOX layout buttons since I primarily use Gulikit on the PC. I'm also planning to buy their thumbstick set. Great accessory to have just in case the thumb stick caps rubber get corroded by sweat. It has happened to me twice and it's not a nice experience. I'm impressed by Gulikit by essentially making the controller repairable because they provide parts for the controller that may get damaged over the duration of use.

[@Moudra.]

Im planning on buying NS08 how is it holding up? i have read for the buttons they squeak latter down the road

[@conyo985]

@@Moudra. No squeaks at all.

[@Moudra.]

Awesome. I couldnt find any review of NS08 while the pro version is all over the place@@conyo985

[@ThrashTrash120]

I'm sold. I LOVE the Hal Thumbstick on the Dreamcast and have been waiting on something like this.

[@Andres-sp2go]

lol at the sponsor part of the video ... "that wasnt so hard ... but i am"

[@Gamerrelm1.0_relm]

Bruh

[@Femboii9]

I recommend bin bok joy-cons if you don't want a king kong controller and want something like split pad hori but it can be wireless

[@Fender178]

Another good thing about this controller is that you can interchange/swap out the switch button layout for the PC/Xbox button layout with a combination of button presses which is a neat feature. I wish some controller manufactures can take some Ideas from the company GameSir with their G4 Pro controller they have magnetic A,X,B,Y face buttons that you can change the layout physically for Switch/Other Nintendo based consoles such as the Wii-U or leave it as the default PC/Xbox layout which is a neat feature. Just like you can swap out the ThumbSticks and DPad on the Xbox-one Elite Controller due to them being magnetic.

[@mekman4]

Thanks! I hadn’t seen this video until I purchased a Nintendo Pro Controller just a few hours ago, thanks for alleviating some fears surrounding drift. It’s something I hear about online, but I don’t know how wide spread an issue it actually is. There may be some _bias_ surrounding the take on the phenomenon. Also, thanks for saving me $100! I would have purchased the Power A Elite! Edit: I got Smash Brothers as well. I’m just now getting a Switch OLED which is my first Switch. I’m really more excited about the Pro Controller though! I enjoy your videos, your classy style and your hair! Great Stuff! As always!

[@svenkraker]

Looks like an awesome controller, love the vids man! Keep up the slick quality!

[@ziero1986]

if they made one of these for Xbox/PC, but add 'adjustable' triggers and some paddle buttons, it could be a great alternative to the Elite v2 controller. But they would need to extend the 'grippy' part of the controller around to the front/top like you sort of mentioned you wished they did on this controller. Also improve the rumble functionality. Not that I personally care for rumble anyway, but for those that do.

[@adriankoch964]

It already works on PC and has a switch to be detected either as Xinput and DirectInput device (depending on how old the game is you want to control) as well as Android and IOs. Paddles would be great and much more useful than builtin macros. True cross-plattform control would also be nice. I'm so sick of Xbox and PS5 having their own little islands despite pretty much every game wanting to use the same buttons and inputs that exists on either controllers. Especially when you want to play some 4 player party game, but don't have 4 controllers of the same plattform (but a rainbow mix of kind of the same-ish where it matters layout controllers but of different generations and plattforms). At least xbox series and ps5 controllers can now just work on PC without absolutely requreing third party adapters or software that keeps on breaking. Hope the EU will eventually force the console makers to get their shit together and implement cross plattform usage. Screw those gimmicky hardware features that only the 1st party titles ever use. What I wonder about the life time of the KKP2 are the triggers. Those arent HALL effect sensors, but potentiometers, right? I've had to retire 2 PS4 controllers from trigger issues and while you can swap that bit out, it's a pain to disassemble and the replacement foils don't nearly last as long.

[@ItsAMeErick]

Lmao RIP Oscario and ElComanche. Your friends list sacrifice will not be forgotten!

[@JackMcSomeone]

I can get this in Australia from an online store called Gamory. Including shipping, it actually ends up slightly cheaper than the official Switch Pro controller

[@DayBreak24k]

You done did it Bob. I'm more excited for your ads in the video than the actual content. 🤣

[@HypocritesExposd]

I’ve never ever had drift in my 8 joy con controllers, but I’m still considering this controller thanks to the clicky buttons, macro, and solid design.

[@AntonioRodriguezSilver]

This controller has been out for a few months; I bought it on Amazon on May, 2021. Unless this is a new revision, I'm not a fan. It looks fairly decent, and first impressions are good. Unfortunately, the D-pad on mine was really unresponsive, requiring too much pressure to use. The shoulder buttons (not the triggers, but the standard L/R) also broke about 2 weeks after I got it. I really wanted it to be a good controller as it does look and feel good in the hand, but it ends up as just another sub-par Pro replacement. Unfortunately, one that's not cheap.

[@AntonioRodriguezSilver]

@João M. The listing says NS09; is that what you meant or is mine an intermediary? Anyway, glad they got their process fixed if this version is really that much better. Unfortunately, I am not spending money on their products again.

[@ArcadiaCrow]

the entire ED commercial made me so uncomfortable . i fucking love this channel LMFAO

[@dankomusto]

To this day, after 5 years, multiple shell exchanges, and many hours on hand held mode, my OG Day 1 Joy-Cons still haven’t gotten drift. It’s crazy to me hearing from friends and relatives that have Switches of getting multiple pairs of Joy-Cons, and I still can’t believe it hasn’t happened to me yet.

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

What types of games do you play? If they're not action-heavy ones like Mario Kart, etc. that might explain it.