Is She-Hulk: Attorney at Law really comic accurate? (No)

[@EquesTron]

Showrunner: “We didn’t feel like being faithful.” Dan Slott: “It’s the most faithful MCU show yet!” Only one of these are true and it isn’t the second one.

[@adampkalb]

First of all, I hate Jessica Gao's admission of laziness that She-Hulk is an unfaithful adaptation, a tv show on Disney+ that is meant to be a Marvel superhero product and a procedural legal comedy, yet insists on being neither. Second of all, I feel very bad for this paradox in which Dan Slott has been boxed. Either he takes the risk of being falsely accused of being a misogynist for telling her she was in the wrong and she is false to the character, or she is the real misogynist here against herself because of how badly she messed up in adapting She-Hulk, and thinks that being a woman of color gives her a free pass to insult white men in her show as many times as she wants, and base most of She-Hulk's attempts at comedy around that! Anyone who questions her methods or corrects her mistakes is supposedly the greater misogynist. Well, guess what? It does not excuse the obvious bad job she did because Jessica Gao and other She-Hulk writers are still going to be chastised by Marvel fans for self-centered writing about a self-centered main character, and more importantly, insulting the audience for whom they were hired to write and entertain by writing a completely different product for a completely different audience, or else no audience at all. The world and the events of She-Hulk are all about She-Hulk even though we know why it should not be all about her. So they should not have made the show all about them and their minor self-loathing problems if they wanted anyone who still cares about the MCU to like their adaptation of She-Hulk.

[@DOFIXERR]

I don't understand all the hate that it got. I read Dan Slott's run and for me it was excellent. The satire was 👌✨

[@Bluepenguin28]

Dan Slott :"I'm saying, for the record" i love how he is pretending everything he says is like a fact, egoist and narcissist phuck

[@guilherme5094]

Slott is a fraud.

[@franks2796]

Dan Slott in the nutshell

[@thorveim1174]

just means being a terrible liar is now on the record.

[@thetruej7872]

Like I said before, She Hulk in the cartoons and video games had better adaptions than in the MCU. My favorites being from Marvel vs Capcom 3 and Fantastic Four World's Greatest Heroes.

[@nyshyn307]

Yup. I'm disappointed that they didn't just rip her from those portrayals, it's one of the times when doing just that would've been perfect

[@monkeyboy317]

Even Lego she hulk is better then this one💀

[@matityaloran9157]

I liked She-Hulk in the 1996 animated Hulk series

[@HiTianshi]

Even if we take his word for it, that doesn't make anything better. In fact, it makes matters worse because if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he's technically dissing his own set of comics because of the show's extremely poor quality. Also, to go on a small tangent, it astounds me that nobody is pointing out how misogynistic the show writers for She-Hulk are. They keep going with these expectations that people hate She-Karen 'cause she's a woman and then go on to project their misogyny with things like Intelligencia or simply how unlikable they made She-Karen. "People hate her 'cause she's a woman!" No, people hate her 'cause you created a misogynistic depiction of a female superhero to represent all female superheroes, and that's honestly disgusting.

[@Doc-Glock]

Agreed. There's much bigger, more fundamental problems than the show not being comic-accurate.

[@happynihilist2573]

Yhe I know the show comes across almost like anity women propaganda The writers referre to themselves as feminists wtf? Is this really what the women's rights movement has been reduced too?

[@RM-cn8pw]

So you’re basically admitting that you’re brain-dead. Because no. He’s not dissing his own set of comics, especially not because of the show’s extremely poor quality. Because the show doesn’t have any extremely poor quality.

[@RM-cn8pw]

“‘People hate her ‘cause she’s a woman!’” This is factual. “No, people hate her ‘cause you created a misogynistic depiction of a female superhero” But they didn’t. At all. Again, learn what misogyny means. Read a book. “to represent all female superheroes” Except this is yet another lie of your creation. Because nowhere was it implied She-Hulk is meant to represent all female superheroes. This is a literal Strawman. “and that’s honestly disgusting.” YOU CANNOT CALL SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE MADE UP DISGUSTING. What’s actually disgusting here is you lying your ass off.

[@RM-cn8pw]

@@Doc-Glock There quite literally aren’t. Especially since it is comic accurate.

[@natto4now]

Just remember guys Ironman death, black panthers death and captain America's death dosnt matter cause she hulk can easily go into the editors room and undo it And yes even those the robot said she can't do this anymore it's not about that but the fact that she can

[@O1OO1O1]

Jen getting attacked by men, and her becoming she hulk because of it, would actually validate much of the show and give her a decent arc. She can learn to own being a Hulk, and rise above the cycle of violence and victim hood. And the bad men can still be bad.

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

If only the writers had half a sense of self awareness, then this would ACTUALLY something to say about harassment!

[@TheSpawnfan]

You would need talented writers for it, which we don't have in this show

[@SchmergDergen]

Anyone could’ve done the show better. You could tell the writers were just projecting from their pedestal.

[@TheLunarLegend]

Comics: Jen nearly dies from mob hit, gets saved by bruce, becomes she-hulk from a blood transfusion, loves being she-hulk Show: Jen saves bruce from a car crash, gets splashed with his blood which turns her into she-hulk, hates being she-hulk. Oh yeah, 100% 1:1 accurate

[@Volvagia1927]

So many creatives assume that the last adaptation of these origins is always the starting template, without considering the "why" of those choices. The why on Incredible Hulk 1996, the only prior attempt at an origin adaptation for her, is that was a 22 minute show that couldn't waste an episode on something NOT about a supervillain or other superhero fight. Having her origin be, ultimately, caused by non-superhero stuff that she wants to prosecute but is being distracted by this super-law junk? That gives it a bit more of an angle.

[@natto4now]

Even deadpool isn't like "lulz ima just ask the producers to undo the conflict and let me win" at least not in the movies which is the equivalent to this show

[@Rockmanbalboa]

not even the comics actually, he and she-hulk in the comics tend to respect that limit as far as i know.

[@MarkERoth]

I disagree I can totally see Deadpool breaking out of frame and going to the producers demanding they let him win reminding them of who the star is. Bonus points if he flaunts the continuity gem at them and threatens to just do it himself and his asking is just a courtesy.

[@Shiirow]

@@MarkERoth I could only see that as a thing if the writers were being purposely mean or incompetent in the comic and Deadpool had to go all Duck Amuck on them. He tends to just voice his displeasure rather than crossing over.

[@leoncoben6983]

Nah Deadpool would 100% do something like that, he'd just make it funny. He straight up taunts the player in MvC3 and reminds them that he's the one busting his ass for the win while they're sitting on the couch.

[@SebasTian58323]

I mean I'm pretty sure he's cut through the pages of the comic he's in to travel back in time

[@jeremyknight9980]

Titania sounds so cool in the Comics and I was really hoping she was faithfully adapted in the show, but of course she wasn't. It's so frustrating that the show was only made to "Own the Trolls" and it's having a negative effect on the character because people will think that's how she is in her Comics and appearances in cartoons. I can't believe that Marvel has such distain for it's characters and it's fanbase.

[@willmangrum3686]

It really is a shame. They didn't go into Titania's (very good) origin story, and the way she was set up suggests she doesn't even have it. And for the life of me I can not understand why she hates Jen in the show. Well, I can, but the way it's built makes no sense.

[@jeremyknight9980]

@@willmangrum3686 Mary doesn't have a reason to bother or hate Jen in the show. She's just this random ass influencer with no backstory. It makes me wonder why she was even there.

[@willmangrum3686]

@@jeremyknight9980 Like I meant to say, the only reason she has to hate Jen is that Jen is unlikable. But the show insists that Jen is somehow a relatable protagonist, so it makes no sense within the context of the series.

[@soulechelon2643]

The biggest travesty of this show is the fact that they made complete fallacies of these originally awesome and interesting characters. This show could've brought so many of them to the limelight and showed off to the general public how cool the comic world can be. Instead it just reinforced stereotypes, fed trolls (which we all know you shouldn't do. Trolls literally won because of this), weakened Marvel as a whole, and pushed away people invested in Marvel and anyone potentially interested in comics in general. And to add: You two deserve far more subs and views. Been following for a little while now and so far I've agreed with everything stated. You two clearly know your stuff and are passionate about the topics you talk about. Hope to see you grow to 30k subs and beyond this year.

[@Adamguy2003]

Good point on how it pushed away people potentially interested in comics in general. The exact opposite of the effect that the video game 'Marvel: Ultimate Alliance' had on me in 2006.

[@dannphan]

They were going for a Lazy and Uninspired Vibe. And they nailed it.

[@i_will_not_elaborate]

I'm sure other people have said this but I genuinely think the main writer (I still can't remember her name) was an outcast who never got to sit with the cool kids which why She-Hulk is treated like a self-insert and Titania is the stereotypical Mean Girl trying to foil her plans. Also, something tells me that Dan's tweet about her bring "comic accurate" is a ploy so people won't read the comics and thus they won't get a warhead sized backlash, as if that'll stop fans.

[@jeremyknight9980]

If she did a google search of Titania that lasted more than a minute she'd would know that she and She Hulk are supposed to be opposites. If her story about being an outcast and never being able to be with the cool kids is true she would find Mary relatable.

[@longtsun8286]

The writers crippled their own story, when they made the main villains "internet trolls." Don't they remember ANYTHING from the stories they enjoyed reading, watching, and playing (in the case of video games)? A hero or heroine is measured against the villain he or she fights. By making the villain so pathetic, the writers make She-Hulk pathetic in turn!

[@matityaloran9157]

The Critical Drinker made a video about that. It’s called What Happened to Our Villains? and it’s about how several female-led action movies insist on making the villains pathetic and these weaken the films as such. I don’t agree with everything he says, even in that video, but it’s definitely worth watching

[@longtsun8286]

@@matityaloran9157 I already subscribed to his channel, and saw the video.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@longtsun8286 Oh. I brought it up since it seemed you were making a similar point

[@MrDj232]

Once a year Dr Doom goes to hell to save his mother's soul. Modern Disney would never let a man be portrayed as a good person like that.

[@Loco0089]

Now that would be a compelling story to tell in regards to Dr. Doom. Sadly, we will likely never get that outside of the comics.

[@casperryborg4869]

I assume that you're serious about that, and if that is the case, HOLY SHIT that is awesome. I'll have to dive deep into that character to see what else he portrays!

[@SebasTian58323]

​@@casperryborg4869 the reason he's so bent on world domination is because he's looked into the future 100, 000 times, looking at possible futures and the only one he found where humanity survives is the one in which he rules over the world as it's dictator. So that's what he'll do if it means mankind will survive. He's still every bit an egomaniac and power hungry as ever, but he believes what he's doing is the only way for mankind to survive and apparently, Bast, Wakanda's panther god, judged his intent to be pure. He fully believes all the evil he's done or will do are in service of this greater good that will save the world.

[@loupblanc7944]

0:39 The irony of the phrase here is that Bruce in the comics ALSO was hesitant to give her his blood because of the entire Hulk thing. But there was no time to wait for rescue and his cousin (Who he had a good relationship with and saw as a sister) was dying fast so he made the risky and split decision to give her some of his blood anyway to save her.

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

I wonder if Marvel 'asked' Slott to drum up attention. His tweet should've been either during or immediately after the show. Wouldn't have helped but might've look like he cared.

[@frug5629]

Most likely so. This tweet reeks of "please don't fire me".

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

My favorite She Hulks: Fantastic 4 when she teams up with Howard The Duck.

[@Rocket1377]

Slott may have written the most issues but that doesn't make him the authority on She-Hulk. Quality over quantity (and besides, he has only written 6 more issues than John Byrne did). Stan Lee, David Anthony Kraft, and especially John Byrne are the ones who created/defined the character.

[@SilentJables]

And John Byrne also wrote the Sensational She-Hulk graphic novel and before that he wrote She-Hulk in I think 30 issues of his run on Fantastic Four in which he replaced The Thing with her temporarily. But hey, apparently Slott has had more time with her.

[@HLHReviews]

Stan Lee and John Buscema would have had authority over it if they were still alive, considering they both created the character together.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

Slott has made the same claims about Spider-Man comics (that he’s written the most of anyone) just so he can win arguments with random strangers on Twitter. The guy seriously thinks HE is marvel

[@XC11301991]

I wasn't familiar with She-Hulk but was watching it from only 1 set of reactors to get an idea of what the show was. I didn't like it but saw your recommendation months back. You really broke down well on what was wrong with the show, and your explanation of the comics really made me more interested in that version of character and the world she worked in.

[@PatrickWDunne]

Of all the criticisms I've heard of the show, not one of them has been about its accuracy

[@animezilla4486]

I agree about that

[@mongooseunleashed]

Um, that's one of the biggest criticisms...

[@twinodoom]

That's because it's possible to not be accurate to the comics and still be good. However, She-Hulk did neither. It lost what people liked about the character from the comics, and replaced it with things that feel more basic.

[@ilcreatoren5846]

Accuracy and the She Hulk TV series.. you can't put them Together. Lol.

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

4:20 - frankly, the fact that it IS true, is why it stings. Because for the fans, for the built in audience that these shows and movies were originally TRULY made for - it pulls back the curtain. Way too harshly. It breaks the veil, and rips apart suspension of disbelief. You kill the magic, and then the show runner can be free to wonder why she's not getting a second season. We want to see these characters, actually comic accurate. We want to root for them, and we'll happily pay for the privilege. When it's done well, and right. To the tune of having made Marvel Studio's literal ungodly profit thus far. The key point in that formula, the contract if you want to apply Tort Law, is DO NOT break the magic. They can't call us "trolls" if they've actively hired someone who admitted openly she IS one. The thing is, Jen's POWERS were derivitive. And it took a LOT of work for skilled writers to create the reasons, within suspended disbelief that Jen WAS her own character and could stand on her own merit. There's a reason she's "not as strong" as The Hulk. That she's actively more articulate in most cases (barring Joe Fixit - or when Bruce has Hulk's body - or Professor Hulk) They went out of their way to explain it. To take apart the science, and the difference in their environment. To me, that's what they disrespect when they write her off as derivitive.

[@cybersketcher1130]

Literally read Dan Slott's run, it's nothing like the show. She-Hulk was a superior Korra if anything.

[@silverbullet7691]

How do you make a crime drama without knowing anything about court proceeding?

[@mongooseunleashed]

I was hyped for She hulk too until I watched the first episode. It only got worse from there.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

No matter what they say or who says it, that won’t change the fact that this show was garbage

[@zev2x762]

EXACTLY!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@RM-cn8pw]

That isn’t a fact though.

[@davfree9732]

Oscar the grouch is offended by this statement. He loves garbage and even he wouldn’t touch She-Hulk Attorney at Law.

[@RM-cn8pw]

@@davfree9732 You’re right that he wouldn’t. Because She-Hulk Attorney at Law is the furthest thing from garbage. You’re all garbage people though, and even he’d hate you.

[@folklore6703]

@@RM-cn8pw your right it's the Divine Truth.

[@loupblanc7944]

Just the fact that She-hulk was more friendly to Bruce in the comic already makes the show less comic-accurate. Honestly, for this version of the She-hulk I don't see how she and Bruce could of add a close relationship in the first place. Wich ironically makes it less believable.

[@PancakeInu]

Never let them gaslight you

[@Shiirow]

The show was terribly written and not fun to watch, but of course that always the viewers fault for the creators incompetence. "Are we wrong? No, its the viewers that are wrong" - Dan Slott

[@falsehero2001]

When Harvey Birdman does courtroom drama and superheroes better than She-Hulk, you know someone messed up.

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

I love your Defense/Passion of how She-Hulk was from the Comics & straight-up stating FACTS! I STRONGLY agree what you are saying J. Tanner because I've seen Comic Book Films/Shows ever since I was young & started reading Comics in the 2010s. The Show LACKS Focus, disrespects the Source Material, & turning Cool/Decent Original Concepts into something LAME! God bless your soul!

[@Channeleven2345789]

Ey Garcia, never expected to see you here, and I agree all the way.

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

@@Channeleven2345789 Oh yeah, you were on DeviantArt with the Marie Kanker PFP with those "Good Idea/Bad Idea" Topics. It sure has been a while since I've seen you but that is because I decided to leave DeviantArt for good.

[@Channeleven2345789]

@@GarciaXVLegend_04 I can’t blame you for that honestly. Had it not been for some of my friends remaining there I would’ve left too. If you want, I’m active here and on TikTok and Tumblr.

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

@@Channeleven2345789 I'll at least Sub to you, I went to Tumblr once (just once) & I had instant regret and as for TikTok, nah I'm good I know that SOME of my Favorite People are there just to branch out but I'd rather stick where I am at for the most part (KZbin, Newgrounds, & PIXIV).

[@Channeleven2345789]

@@GarciaXVLegend_04 understood, thanks a bunch.

[@andrewmclellan1623]

I really loved the comics- Jen was a wonderful character who balanced fun and responsibilities. Dan Slott did a great job with interesting legal questions like a privacy suit against the Watcher or questioning whether Eros' "make people love him" powers was ethically used. The fact that the show was so shallow and focused on identity politics was a huge disappointment

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

Edit: Please do not reply to this comment. I said my part. I don't need more pointless debates. I honestly really appreciate your take on She-Hulk. Too much of the discussion around the show gets weighed down by toxicity to the point where it can be hard to address the objective structural issues. Jen is the ragdoll macguffin of her own show. It's one thing to have a character as the audience viewpoint, but there's a difference between a passive character that takes the lead and becomes more prominent or a character that overcomes struggles to find themselves and what they did to Jen in this show.

[@erikbihari3625]

Toxic? Please people point out how she's horrible here, including robot head and the critical drinker!

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

This is the only reply I will make: I'm not having an argument over whether or not there are arguments surrounding the show. Blaming the show for the subject matter feeds the trolls and/or proves the show right. The show is toxic to the supposed audience, and the type of people shown in the show or with that behavior in real life can be toxic as well. I like approaching the show from the objective writing structure and character analysis, and unfortunately, as your reply demonstrates, people are never able to just leave it at that. If you read all this, thank you. You are allowed your opinion, I just don't want my observations and praise being turned into another debate. Have a nice day.

[@geniusgamerr4517]

@@erikbihari3625 because she is a shit character compare to other version of she hulk I watched

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Anybody noticed how aggro aggressive She-Hulk was being toward her cousin, giving off the " Anything you can do I can do better!" type of attitude when all he was trying to do is just share his knowledge with her. That was really my only problem with the series because I enjoyed some other aspects of it.

[@casperryborg4869]

That was your ONLY problem? Bad cgi, horrible writing, shitty directing and acting, the show taking the worst qualities of men and saying that all men are like that. Please say you didn't watch the show, that would at least explain such a horrible take.

[@seancarroll136]

That's like everyone who's a DC Comic fan saying that 'League Of SuperPets is the most, comic-accurate movie', and it left me being so appalled by Warner Animation Group's lack of research. Which, ironically, HAPPENS TO OWN THE SUPERPET COMIC RIGHTS!

[@GR3GORY90]

I started reading the John Byrne she hulk comic breaking the fourth wall, and it was very fun. There were so many lesser known heroes and villains. I really liked the space truckers specifically poppa wheelie and wide load. The villain Titania seemed more of a nuisance though. I liked the circus villains and the head people. If they actually put them in a good show that followed the source material, it would've been amazing.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

Dan Slott's Twitter comment just simply left a bitter taste in my mouth. Like, dude, the fact that he's the one who read the She-Hulk comics and even wrote them himself means that he knows She-Hulk in the show ISN'T comic accurate; but yet, he has the gall to go on record to say that it is. For him to do that in a Tweet is very dishonest, misleading, and inauthentic. It frankly sounds to me like he was never a fan of the original She-Hulk comics he worked on, and that he wanted to write the character in the way he truly wanted her to be like. Of course, I have absolutely no evidence of this being true whatsoever, so take this proclomation with a grain of salt; but if it is true, then wow, have we been bamboozled.

[@starcatcher9699]

Honestly? I would've been ok with a superhero slice of life detective show, a simple little series that shows Jen learning to control her powers and helping her cousin find his sons. I know I said this in the other video but seriously, the show could start with Jen going off to take down this criminal organization. Bruce begs her not to go since he believes that it's a trap meant to kill her to get to him, to let him or one of the other Avengers handle it. Jen is revealed to not be on great terms with her cousin due to his previous disappearance but she still promises to be careful. Jen goes and there's an ambush, she gets badly hurt so Bruce gives her a blood transfusion, turning her into She-Hulk. The rest of the series could then be about her juggling her powers, the investigation, and her everyday life. Jen is at first unwilling to work with her cousin or her powers but, over time, she reconciles with her cousin, finds that she's actually really comfortable in her She-Hulk form, and they find the criminals that are holding Bruce's sons, leading to an epic Hulk and She-Hulk team up as they fight the villains.

[@lilylove925]

The closest thing know of is Lucifer

[@lordainzooalgown1375]

I wouldn't be mad if Deadpool did this because it fits his character.

[@ChuckieFinster_290]

Lol They turned her like a deadpool

[@sonicroze]

My opinion? Disney needs to stop. I think Anti-Monopoly laws need to be held against the mouse and his assets sold off and divided one by one, allowing a chance that someone who actually cares gets ahold of these properties.

[@Phantomsangel]

I don't understand why shows nowadays feel they need to be these loud obnoxious mouth pieces for topics like 'oh women have it soo hard' sure I'm sure some do but so do men too. Heck all living things have it rough in some capacity. Idk did super hero comics go that hard with that in the past? I'm pretty sure they were more seen as equals and not BETTER than the other. Watching this inspires me to actually read the comics now.

[@a.p907]

You 'own" the trolls by making a good show/movie/book/comic (or at least the best one you can make). Anything else is proving them right.

[@princessmarlena1359]

And anyone online who says they don’t like the show/movie/book/comic is a “troll” to them, unfortunately.

[@Webhead123]

Byrne's run on Sensational She-Hulk is one of my favorite comic series ever. I was hoping beyond hope that the show would do at least *SOME* amount of justice to the character and what makes her so fun and interesting. Every episode was like descending ever deeper into the bowels of Hell, from which no semblance of the original character or idea could possibly ever recover. To say I was disappointed would be a hilariously tragic understatement. What an absolute waste of such an incredible property.

[@TheSpawnfan]

Titania is so far from what she was in the comics that she may be another character, this isn't She-Hulk, this is She-Karen, the Ultimate Karen-form

[@liljenborg2517]

"There's a lot of people who never read the comics, will never read the comics, and this is the only She-Hulk they know." That is so sad. Marvel doesn't even seem to _know_ really what they've done by ruining their own brand, or worse, they think they know and are happy having "fixed" such a "sexist" character.

[@jerelmerrill7100]

It just felt like the writers were more invested in trolling bad-faith critics instead of creating a show for people who were earnestly expecting to enjoy it.

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

They even managed to make the wrecking crew underwhelming. They're closer to thug level and they still managed to make them just pathetic in comparison. They're more annoying and bumbling, their designs suck, and they white washed Thunderball which really didn't need to happen.

[@Vanuslux]

Your videos on the show are hands down the best I've seen, since you're clearly very knowledgeable about the character and are criticizing from the point of view of someone who actually cares, and you're not using any of the the more...er...questionable takes coming from people who are just have a vitriolic ax to grind in general. This show is another example of a piece of media that was created more with the people they anticipated not liking it in mind than the people who wanted the show in the first place, which almost always leads to the haters feeling vindicated by a product that isn't designed for anyone to actually like on its own merits. The idea that She-Hulk owned the trolls is fucking ludicrous...what it actually did was give a huge fucking income boost to the anti-woke content creators those trolls rally around. They may as well have shipped a case of whiskey to Critical Drinker's house for all they ruined the day of people who were never going to like the show in the first place. Meanwhile they ignore the existence of actual fans of the character who just wanted the series to be something that lived up to what we feel the character deserves. Jessica Jones proved you can have a show about a female superhero that is loved by critics and fans alike and is a success by every measure. She-Hulk could have had that too, but instead what is the show's legacy actually going to be? What does it have to really be proud of if you don't think feeding trolls is an accomplishment?

[@seishosutiguma598]

I think he said that so people would read the comics to compare them. But there was one problem in his plans, fans on KZbin who will call him out for his BS.

[@ArnoldFrost]

I don't remember She-Hulk being this misandristic (and ironically misogynistic) in the comics/cartoons. The guy's doing an appeal to authority fallacy too, considering that iirc Into the Spiderverse isn't comic-book accurate but still delivered on Miles Morales as a unique character like in the comics (the initial disdain aside)

[@patchyworx]

It's truly been nothing but downhill since Stan Lee passed away, look how they massacred marvel... Disney what have you done

[@feraldart]

The "problem" with comic book characters is they have so many people working on them, so many different continuities that it is so open to interpretation. Even among fans, fun discussions can quickly devolve into pointless arguments over who is "right" about a character. So, even though I totally get what you are saying and I agree, it is really pointless to try to criticise this show's "accuracy" because it's too easy to get dragged into the weeds splitting hairs and such. Slott is just standing up for his professional colleagues, but he's not really wrong, just maybe not being open to a lot of true fans' opinions.

[@jvts8916]

It really says a lot when even the show's defenders mainly argued that She-Hulk would probably either be proven to be in wrong or admit she made a mistake in her outburst towards Banner. Turns out that no, we really were supposed to think everyday problems like getting catcalled was as bad as everything Bruce went through.

[@MrRobot1984]

I’ve read John Byrne, Dan Slott, and even Mariko Tamaki’s run on She-Hulk. At no point in any of the books was she a twerking troll feeder. The Intelligencia weren’t a bunch of frat boy dude bros. Titania wasn’t an airhead. Pugg wasn’t Malibu’s most wanted.

[@Adamguy2003]

Hearing Slott puke out garbage like this really bums me out. I used to be something of a fan of his. I loved the 'Avengers: The Initiative' comic series he made in the late 2000s (Among other things, it introduced Komodo, who quickly became one of my favorite female superheroes). I personally met him at a convention in the mid- 2010s, and he seemed to be a pleasant enough fellow as we interacted. For him to have then so completely turned to the Dark Side in so many ways (As a writer, AND as a human being in general) over the last 3-4 years or so has made me so sad. It really is a shame.

[@danwilliams1989]

I wouldn’t listen to Dan Slott. He’s had a very spotty reputation, especially on his work on Spider-Man.

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

I have watched Thinking Critical's videos & at 1 point he discussed that they put out a NEW Amazing Spider-Man Comic Series just by turning him more of an A-Hole than before... If that fool was the same writer for that Spider-Man Series then he's he HACK!

[@wlfmanjack]

When he says its "the most comic accurate," he just means it's comedic with 4th wall breaks that's it. Which is only a part of the character and her comics, its like saying MCU's Spider-man is the most comic accurate cause he got his powers while in high school and needs web shooters, while ignoring everything else the MCU changes.

[@ThatGuy-jj3kz]

To dissect his quote even more, "the most comic accurate MCU show" is a meaningless statement on Dan's part. To give Dan the benefit of the doubt, let's say She-Hulk is comically accurate to her series. How does Dan know She-Hulk is more accurate than Falcon and the Winter Soldier or WandaVision? He could say those shows change elements, but I could throw back that Intelligencia only shares the name with their comic counterpart and nothing more. I get that She-Hulk is the newest member of the over-hated female show/movie, but to play apologia like this is embarrassing.

[@HLHReviews]

Dan Slott only says that to appeal towards people who have never read the comics and they’ll see his interview and just think that what they did in the show is justified.

[@turtato2155]

That first courtroom made no sense cause Titania goes in and the guards try to stop her and the next scene the guards are just gone. Does she have snapping powers or something? Also the fact she wasn't arrested and was just let go for destroying a courtroom like what?

[@silverseer573]

I'd maybe take her claims that her life was more horrible than his because of cat calls more serious if she wasn't talking to Bruce frikkin' Banner. You know, the guy who got experimented on by his father, had the same father murder his mother and try to murder him while he was a child and tried to murder him again when he was an adult, who spent years and years running away from everyone who he knew and loved because he was terrified he'd flip out and hurt them or the people hunting him would hurt them instead? Who ate his gun when he just couldn't take it anymore and the Hulk wouldn't allow him to die?

[@kingbash6466]

She Hulk is about as accurate to the comics as Resident Evil Welcome to Raccoon City is to the games. Sure, they say it's accurate to the source material. It look like the source material, but the heart and ton around it is non-existent.

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

Dan Slott really loves to tell people “I’m the guy who has written more issues of X,Y, or Z” when they disagree with him about anything. The guy wishes he was Stan Lee so bad

[@WarGhoulKharas]

Just put one panel of the Wrecking Crew from the comics and one from the series. Argument dead right there.

[@matityaloran9157]

7:40, fortunately the cartoon The Incredible Hulk and She-Hulk is on Disney Plus. People can watch that for a good She-Hulk instead of this “show”.

[@VegimorphtheMovieBoy]

1000 percent agreed, especially about the show's version of Jen not having any agency in her own show. We also never get any sense of why she wanted to become a lawyer, any sort of goals she was after (except maybe her dating life?) either. Makes me want to just read the older comics again instead.

[@GarethDragon]

They also made The Wrecking Crew pretty pathetic.

[@fearlesstryhard1316]

The actor would legit get ptsd from reading what The Hulk is truly capable of against her

[@cecillbill]

Dan Slott tweeted for attention, period. Even the showrunner stated she didn't want comics accuracy, which is only one reason why the show sucked and is the worst MCU offering of any Phase.

[@rikudoubapeck]

I actually really like your She-Hulk takes and it's always a delight seeing you have posted something whether here or on twitter. It's the highlight of the discussion on this show, a discussion I can't seem to get enough of. I generally agree and you are very good at making your points concisely while hitting your major points without waffling. Excellent stuff. I think there are some things I'd argue are accurate in the sense that the idea is rooted in She Hulks history and for the MCU shows She-Hulk draws most heavily from the source material. With that said yeah a lot of it is reworked into something unrecognisable. My issue was always Jen and the things immediately surrounding her like her family outside Bruce. There are other characters who I came to learn are inaccurate through videos like yours though and I realised how badly the show did I actually think Titania's inferiority complex is a consistent idea across the show and comics. She definitely isn't as layered as in the comics but I think her need to one up Jen in the show seemed like something a woman who has been made to feel small before would do. She gets easily beaten in public in their first encounter and then she tries to claim her identity. Maybe a bit of a stretch but I can see it as a take on " there's only room for one strongest woman and it ain't you". Like if anyone should be regarded as the powerful "She-Hulk" it's her. Now a lot of this has to be inferred as subtext but I appreciate that unlike Jen Titania's core seems to at least get the basics of the character right. She isn't with Creel and doesn't seem to know Marsha. She isn't a supervillain and didn't get her powers from Doom. She also hasn't struggled with trying to leave villainy or battled cancer. She is far less compelling for not experiencing all this but a woman who was bullied all her life gaining superpowers and constantly trying to assert herself as no longer a victim? Trying to prove she is the strongest? I think that idea is echoed in Jameela's performance

[@geekyphoton5584]

Very enjoyable analysis, J!

[@xmobius0ne]

John Byrne's run on She Hulk was way better than Dan the neckbeard's and is the version of the character that I wish the show was based on

[@mhc706]

"its the most comic accurate mcu show there is.... because i also write trash that insults real women just like the show!" -dan slot or whatever ive never heard of this guy

[@Vilgax00]

What irritates me the most is She-Hulk has a higher budget than Kenobi show.

[@skaven969]

Love you videos! And no, she-hulk is not comic accurate XD

[@_S0LUS_]

The double think for this show is brain melting: "It's not accurate to the comics and that's a good thing! But it is accurate to the comics, but actually it's allowed to be it's own thing, but actually it's the MOST COMICBOOK ACCURATE SHOW EVER! But actually it's not and demanding adaptations be faithful to the source material is stifling and problematic but actually it's completely faithful to the source material and you should know that! But actually!" etc

[@enterthenameyo]

I hate Dan's tweet because it's acting as if that was THE criticism the show got. Classic strawman

[@scasimir1000]

Who said the sick of you talking about She-Hulk? If you feel this certain areas they can do better, I would love to hear your opinions

[@Wizardbane-ev9zk]

👇

[@jarrettcox3557]

Mjtanner: *cracks knuckles*

[@thebluewind5733]

The sad part is that the show could've been good id they actually use the source material and made her the fun slightly sarcastic but lovable, caring for both male and female fans by immersing us into her story while being aware of us even having an antagonistic but simplistic rival in Titania, constantly poking fun at the writer when getting into situations that is a little gratuitous but turns out to be a positive aspect to the situation at hand. And it could've introduced the Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom in flawless fashion. But nope.

[@danemiller4852]

You are the best she-hulk truther.

[@Arthas30000]

Yeah, Dan Slott just showed everyone how big of an idiot he was. Love your takes on She-Hulk, as I never touched the comics. Keep up the great work!

[@FF-tp7qs]

I don't think Thanos motivation was good. The Snap was a stupid way to deal with overpopulation. He only does it once then gets rid of the Infinity Stones, the population of the universe would just double again in few decades, making what he did little more than a bandaid. At least trying to impress Death is an impressively psychotic reason for doing something psychotic like killing half of the universe.

[@anthos332]

I thought about that, too, when Infinity War first came out. Everyone would call Thanos a simp and probably just laugh at him if they kept his original motivations from the comics.

[@FF-tp7qs]

@@anthos332 comic Thanos is the kind of villain who would ruin a regular nobody's birthday every year of their life since they were born just for kicks.

[@lucymiau5700]

It was the simplest thing to make a good fun Show from this source material. Instead thee went the cheapest way and ruined it like all the other MCU-TV-Shows on Disney+.

[@skywise001]

She also is the original wiscracker that breaks the 4th wall. Id love to see her school Deadpool. Id ague they pissed away anything interesting about Thanos. I heard his reason for the snap before I saw the movie and it murdered what little care I had for the MCU.

[@drockwell1583]

Danny boy was just getting his paycheck from the mouse with his own toxicity.

[@TheSimodon]

Noice vid and pretty informative about some of the characters. Anyone know the comic / issue of the panels at 5:50 and 5:52, story / chars sound neat in comparisson to the show.

[@mjtannertwins]

Issue 10 of the 2004 She-Hulk run.

[@TheSimodon]

@@mjtannertwins Thanks :D

[@tedscheett9420]

I'm thankful for what you said about valid criticisms being lumped in with internet trolls and misogynists. It hurts when you genuinely are fascinated with good storytelling only to be told you are in the same crowd as the pricks who dump on a story just for having a prevalent woman in it. It's honestly kinda brilliant in its own twisted way, because you force your audience to either pick their criticisms VERY carefully or suffer the wrath of a thousand angry She-Hulk stans. Heck, I've even got lumped into that and I just deconstructed the person.

[@collagesandmore8986]

I enjoy your She-Hulk videos. Keep up the good work.

[@O1OO1O1]

Why is Dan Slott saying such nonsense then?

[@brandstongould8067]

she-hulk being the most comic accurate show in the MCU and the writers not ripping the show straight from the comics isn’t mutually exclusive, probably take the advice from the main she hulk comic writer if he’s talking about character similarities, which is probably what he was referring to, not storylines.

[@zemox2534]

I must disagree. The MCU was ruined long before She-Hulk aired on TV.

[@WilliamAGould]

All they had to do was follow the she-hulk comics and the series would have been a hit. That being a strong woman, that respected people, trying to live her life while also being a hulk, set as a comedy. Instead, they could not stop themselves. The irony is if they wanted a "woke" court case, they could have copied the Starfox (not the fox pilot, but the Marvel Comic character) court case and they could have gone full woke and still been in canon for the storyline.

[@rash_punk2815]

the needed better writers

[@ebaugh7320]

How can he call it 'Comic Accurate' is it didn't get her origin story right?

[@scottbattaglia8595]

You think the intelligenceia character is supposed to be Doomcock from the overlorddvd KZbin channel? The mask is pretty similar and he has been clowning on Disney for a while?

[@princessmarlena1359]

Hello, fellow Overlord DVD viewer!

[@opadrip]

Hmm yes, I remember when She Hulk hated men in the comics, put her cousin down for no reason, and twerked after winning a case.

[@RoseRamblesYT]

Your videos on She-Hulk are always clear and concise, and your passion for the comics shows through. To pick out one thing to comment on, one piece I believe the show itself touched on was "people don't/won't like a female lead superhero show/movie" or something close to that. At least from my perspective and experience, I don't think this is true. My reasoning for not really liking Jen/She-Hulk is because of who she is as a Person. She's clearly written to /be/ liked, but... they kinda failed on that for me. You've mentioned in each of your She-Hulk videos why Jen isn't particularly likable already. On a similar note, I never found She-Hulk to even be heroic the entire time, no matter how things were framed to make her seem so. Especially by the end I felt the show was telling me "she's a superhero now!" but again, it really didn't come through to me.

[@qtindavis433]

thank you!!!

[@Devilsblight86]

And these people wonder why we dislike them...