Abelina Sabrina and Weaponized Trauma (Gus Johnson Apology)

[@beneaththedemonmoon]

This whole thing is so frustating to watch. People should be mad at the HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. That was the bigger and scarier part of the story.

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

Lol twitter knows they can't do shit about any of that so they get their kicks by harrassing some dude who was a bad boyfriend. It's never about doing good. Only about tearing others down.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

They just want drama

[@Buddhistsocialist]

@@dalgusmaximus4557 bad boyfriend? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 almost allowing someone to die is far from that

[@shelbyb9965]

@@Buddhistsocialist You know what would have prevented her almost dying? Better fucking doctors. She had been to the doctor multiple times, it's not Gus's fault that the doctors didn't catch it on multiple occasions. His reaction was shitty, but her almost dying is not his fault.

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

@@shelbyb9965 I know right. What disgustingly disingenuous statement.

[@punkopossums]

This happened shortly after I discovered Gus and his content and I unfollowed him. I am now in a place where it's really important to see nuance in things. While I def agree that Gus didnt handle Sabrina's medical issues well, it doesnt make him a horrible person who doesnt deserve to be happy, esp since he has apologized and tried to better him self. If we want people to become better people we have to give them room to grow. That doesnt mean we have to personally forgive or ever speak to people who hurt us, but we need to acknowledge that people can improve.

[@anniehershel815]

That’s really mature of you. I wish more people thought that way.

[@goopytoobers9397]

I think your take is more nuanced and realistic. There’s no heroes or villains, just people and the mistakes they made and what they’ve learned from those actions (for better or worse)

[@Real_Mick3y6]

Exactly

[@yennefer440]

I know this video isn't about Duncan. But I used to like Ducan's videos but he's so annoying. He acts so righteous.

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

I hated how commentary creators like him tried to inflate gus as some villain while acting like it's such a tragedy that the story revolved around him instead of sabrinas poor health care experience.

[@arvelcrynyd6311]

It sounds like two people who were in a terrible situation that they were unfamiliar with and that Gus didn’t handle it well. Everyone handles grief differently and it sounds like Gus didn’t handle it well, but that doesn’t make him an evil abuser or whatever narrative Sabrina is trying to sell. It makes him human. We live in a world where these dumb kids think everything is polarized, you’re either an evil, abusive, narcissistic, psychopath or you’re a perfect, infallible, Saint. This world view, which seems to be more and more common each day, is absolutely delusional. I don’t personally know either of these people and I certainly wasn’t anywhere near them when all of this was going on. So I don’t know or care, and I’m not taking sides, because that’s the normal and reasonable stance to take. Why is everyone obsessed with other people’s personal lives these days? It’s creepy. Stop it.

[@yarielcardona7955]

Great video, but I do disagree with some of the points. 1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're saying that the consequences of Sabrina's accusations equal Gus taking accountability for his actions, and I disagree. The loss of friends, followers, etc were out of his control, he didn't say "hey I did something wrong therefore I must be punished" he was just punished whilst remaining in silence. Even in his apology, Gus doesn't outright confirm what he did to Sabrina, he talks about having been foolish and done foolish things, but never states what that intales (he is vague like this throughout the whole apology). This is the closest he has come to public accountability and imo it isn't valid. 2. You slam Sabrina for her misleading iformation throughout the video, but when admitting Gus did the same cause of the way he phrased the whole therapy thing you just brush it off as semantics. I noticed this throughout the video, you don't outright say it, but the way you present the information and the phrasing you use makes it look like you're painting Gus as a victim of "drama", and like his actions weren't that bad, or at least not the worst part about the whole situation. I might heavily misinterpreting it though. 3. While I do think Sabrina, let's be honest, lying about not going to therapy is wrong, her clarification that they went because Gus wanted to be in a polygamous relationship is necessary since Gus makes it seem as if they went to therapy because of the whole ectopic pregnancy situation. Again, in my opinion. 4. You defend Gus for working after Sabrina's nose operation, not mentioning the fact that, according to her story (the only one we got to go off of), she called him multiple times because she was in pain, but he didn't answer and instead said on stream that everything was fine and she was doing great.

[@yarielcardona7955]

Btw, this doesn't have to do with the video, but I really didn't like Gus' apology. It's very vague and downplays the allegations a lot. It feels like he did it more for his public image (to say that he apologized) than to actually address the situation.

[@landonlee691]

He said multiply Times throughout the video Gus was a bad person. Also as he pointed out Sabrina was the one who picked the therapist so I highly doubt she’s telling the truth when saying it was just about Gus wanting to be polyamory’s

[@landonlee691]

No. He was saying the consequences of his actions were what he called them, consequences. He admitted to it and got consequences for it. Taking accountability isn’t saying “hey I did wrong please deplatform me” no it’s admitting what happened

[@yarielcardona7955]

@@landonlee691 About the therapy, polygamy def wasn't the only topic they talked about, therapy doesn't work like that; I interpreted the tweet as polygamy being the main reason they went. But that's all it is, both you and I are merely speculating, since neither have the truth, and if the truth is being told, we have no current way of confirming it. That's why I emphasized that it's my opinion. I'm not gonna go through the video searching for all the times he criticizes Gus, so I'm just gonna take your word for it and say my bad. Finally, in both of his apologies, Gus doesn't specify what he is talking about; if you saw Sabrina's video it's obvious, but if you were oblivious to the "drama" you're still left in the dark. In both apologies, he mentions that it happened long ago, he was young, and that he's changed. I'm not gonna deny that he was immature, at best, when it happened or that he has changed since then, but the way he mentions them makes them sound as excuses. If you put excuses in an apology video, you're not taking accountability.

[@liittlemiissd]

of course it’s fucking valid. What you said was retarded. Gus has lost nearly everything because of Sabrina because of her manipulative actions and abuse. As far as I’m concerned Gus lost TOO much. “Isn’t valid” stfu.

[@TheEpochCompanion]

This is thorough but not nearly as objective as the comment section is saying. You're actually very one sided in how you present the info. Like how Gus said they discussed the issue of her pregnancy at length in couples therapy and she responds saying that was never discussed in therapy and states what was, and instead of acknowledging the importance of Gus lying about the content of their therapy sessions and how that affects the credibility of their stories you gloss over it with the whole "you shouldn't have brought up what was talked about in therapy" argument and attack her by saying it's inconsistent with her beliefs, but with Gus you only go as far as to say that "technically he didn't lie" even though it was misleading. And that's the extent of it. You hold her accountable for potential lies and what you think may be misleading truths, but don't do it to the same extent when Gus does the same. You essentially dismiss it. Also, if she had talked about their therapy sessions outright, that would be one thing. But if Gus did indeed lie and say they went to therapy because of this to falsely show how seriously he took it, then you can hardly fault her for reacting by telling the truth in the face of a brazen lie. If he not only bought it up but did so in a dishonest or misleading way, that opens the door for her to talk about it in a truthful way. For you to attack her for telling the truth about the content of their sessions but not Gus for not only being misleading about their sessions but also being the one to bring them up and use them the way he did shows that you are very one sided in your assessment. You can still argue that she shouldn't have disclosed that information and that'd be fair, but you can't use THAT argument to entirely dismiss the fact that her methods exposed a potential lie. But that's what you do and you fail to explore Gus's lie in a thorough manner. and for being as thorough as you are but choosing to ignore things like this shows that you are just trying to defend Gus rather than approach this objectively.

[@EatinPaste]

That's very well put of you. I, unfortunately, feel that this will fall on deaf ears.

[@Dantheman-nf9xk]

His first video on this was definitely unbiased, but now Sabrina is being... well you know, so he made this one. Also, couples coaching is basically therapy lol. It's not really so much a lie as just calling it a different name. And you have to think, what if gus had said couples coaching originally? Would Sabrina still have tried to call it a lie?

[@TheEpochCompanion]

@@Dantheman-nf9xk the lie was that they went to therapy to discuss his neglect. Sabrina was being misleading but "technically" not lying about the therapy/coaching thing, yet he tears her down and says it totally discredits her story. But Gus lied when he implied they went to therapy over this and all he says is "technically" it wasn't a lie but that doesn't discredit his story at all, because it was disrespectful for her to bring up the truth in order to point out his lie. Incredibly biased in his approach and his conclusions.

[@Dantheman-nf9xk]

@@TheEpochCompanion if Sabrina had originally said, "we didn't do therapy, it was couples coaching" I would cut her more slack. She straight out said they didn't do anything. By your logic, gus was also, technically not lying 🤷‍♂️

[@TheEpochCompanion]

@@Dantheman-nf9xk yes, i said what she said was misleading. So hold them both to the same standard, i agree. The guy who made this video doesn't do that. That's the problem.

[@AdlersShadows]

As a woman that has gone through infertility and pregnancy problems i sympathize a lot with what sabrina went through. However 1. Gus distanced himself because sabrina and gus said that if she ever got pregnant she'd get an abortion. This is a really dumb thing to casually agree too thinking it will be upheld like no big deal. Thinking that you can just get pregnant and get an abortion just like that is ridiculous. It is a very emotional and hard thing to go through with. The way they talked about it like it would just be on a grocery list was crazy. So that was a big mistake for both of them. 2. Because she had trauma from the eptopic she expected gus to handle her trauma during an elected rhinoplasty. Have you ever dealt with someone with anxiety? It is the most exhausting thing in the fucking world. I say this as somebody who has had anxiety. You can rationalize and talk to them all night and day but nothing you say will ever end the conversation you just go in circles. He probably just gave up. And that's why he played Pokemon cards. I really don't blame him. It just seems ridiculous to me that you have trauma from hospitals then elect to go to a hospital but now its gus's fault that hes not healing your trauma. Idk yes your bf should be there but idk what his resson was for not being there idk but once again this was all elective.

[@mysterm1833]

Thank you for this comment. He asked her permission to stream in his home in the adjacent room where she was resting from her elective nose job. She granted her permission. He needed to make money to continue to subsidize her life.

[@romangudev8770]

I love it when people claim that sharing intimate information with the entire internet is a form of healing.

[@clintony3000]

Thank you. Agreed.

[@yaboibigdepresso5940]

So you’re upset that Jack Wright made a video about about Sienna Mae raping him correct?

[@romangudev8770]

@@yaboibigdepresso5940 what

[@romangudev8770]

@@yaboibigdepresso5940 what is this nonsense

[@romangudev8770]

@@yaboibigdepresso5940 you think you know what I’m upset about correct?

[@MadDogJake007]

This is a levelheaded and informative video, you capture my frustration with the situation perfectly. good shit man

[@CiscoWithAnEmerald]

From what I'm gathering, Gus is a shit boyfriend, Sabrina is a salty ex who is trying to pretend to be the bigger person, but ultimately isn't. You can blame the tramatic event all you want, but she can't play both sides if the card by saying she doesn't want to go after Gus then immediately goes after gus.

[@Brooklynlamar1]

“Gus is a shitty boyfriend” You: continues to shit on Sabrina like this whole situation was her fault

[@CiscoWithAnEmerald]

@@Brooklynlamar1 because everything bad that can be said about Gus has been said. No one at that time had pointed out Sabrina's faults.

[@CiscoWithAnEmerald]

@@Brooklynlamar1 also the whole situation wasn't her fault. I never stated that. You're putting words in my mouth. I am saying she is clearly going after gus but says she isn't.

[@msunje9862]

Salty ? Who wouldn’t be salty after being treated like this and by his fans

[@msunje9862]

Him using his fans to come after her makes him more then shitty

[@zavadajanos]

I don't think we should form opinions about things we don't tunderstand. After all the things this couple has gone through, no wonder they act weird on social media. We only see the top of the iceberg.

[@arivertoeveryone]

definitely agree with you but since the internet will never shut up about these things, someone needs to show some nuance - otherwise everybody else lacking the understanding to be silent, will think they are right

[@re_i_gn]

The problem is we're already way past that point, we're now at the stage where one party's livelihood and relationships outside of the situation have absolutely been destroyed as a result of the backlash. Would've been nice if people shared your same opinions early on, but no, the hate mob has grown too large and Gus's life is forever tarnished.

[@becz9485]

The part that makes me not want to support or “forgive” Gus’s actions is that his best friend and coworker Eddy completely dropped him and has stated that there is a lot behind the scenes that we don’t know about and he really doesn’t feel comfortable being his friend anymore. And I don’t think it’s out of fear of being “cancelled”

[@Darthpederos]

@@becz9485 It is a natural reaction of Eddy. He was friends with Sabrina too and i assume he is that kind of person that wants to be morally correct at any cost (good-guy-syndrom), he feels that he has to protect her, because she was wronged and also he was surprised to get this "new" information. Of course he is going to back out.... I don't think Gus kept this situation under the rug, because of himself, but because she wanted it like that. I think it's sad, that Eddy is reacted this way, driven by false moral and therefore its save to say, that he reacted this way, because of fear of cancellation (in the lng run).

[@becz9485]

@@Darthpederos bro that’s a lot of fucking assumptions you’re making. He said there is a lot we don’t know that won’t be public. You are just as bad as the people making assumptions about Gus, if not worse, because Eddy literally has done nothing wrong, so ya you’re definitely worse.

[@EmlyMarie]

a dating coach is not a couple therapist. are you sure that she only got in contact with Jacksfilms because of Gus? Is that just speculation? Do you have proof? I can't understand the argument that sabrina lied? You provided very little evidence to support this claim This video is a lot of speculation and side issues which have nothing to do with Sabrina directly. It's beyond being a bad boyfriend. I really encourage you to learn more about abuse within relationships and empathy.

[@therealharshlycritical]

remove the foam from your mouth and rewatch the video.

[@natashathomsen7183]

I agree. He seems bias and with a lack of understanding of abusive relationships. The comment about how Sabrina shouldn’t use the term” abuse” is also very troubling. “Abuse” describes destructive harmful behaviour towards other people. It is not the same as diagnosing someone as a type of abuser. Everyone should be able to identify and call out abusive behaviour. And saying that she shouldn’t use the term “abuse” is a way of encouraging victims to stay silent.

[@natashathomsen7183]

​@@therealharshlycritical Implying that someone is emotional is not an argument against their points.

[@EmlyMarie]

@@therealharshlycritical thank you harshlycritical thats a great point

[@ray.deathray]

Not trying to weigh in on what I think about the Gus/Sabrina situation; just weighing in on dating coaches vs. couples therapy. It's not just semantics. Those two are vastly different. Dating coaches are not mental health professionals and are not in the mental health field at all. Coaches may be able to serve specific purposes, but they don't provide therapy and don't require any licensing. Couples therapy is done by a licensed professional. Their goal is to repair relationships by digging into the reasons why people behave the way they do with one another, and working on healthier ways to think and behave. It's like the difference between a personal trainer and a doctor. Both broadly deal with physical health, but you're not gonna go to the gym for lung disease. Seeing a dating coach is not the same as going to couples counseling. Dating coaches are there to help you get dates. At best, a dating coach would help them have more fun in their relationship. They're not going to unpack any deep problems in a relationship. It's borderline unethical if they even tried to.

[@jspaingreene6350]

My question is.. . They're already dating, why would they need a dating coach?

[@vulpixelful]

@@jspaingreene6350 For spice. The same reason couples see sex therapists.

[@unvivi]

Makes you wonder why Sabrina picked a dating coach over a dating therapist. Possible didn't know the difference.

[@el-wizardo]

I would argue that it’s possible/likely that the ‘coach’ was described as or at the very least compared to couples therapy to Gus leading him to have the belief that they did, in fact, take part in a form of couples therapy.

[@landonlee691]

So why did Sabrina choose a dating coach rather than a therapist where she can vent to a medical professional?

[@Destiny2Seishi]

I think that there really needs to be a discussion around 'sharing one's story' online and the line between telling ppl your story of abuse and/or trauma involving another party and making a public accusation against that same party. Because as much as I want to support ppl who come out with these stories, the way these stories are usually framed and the amount and/or quality of information being put out there can easily turn a cry for awareness on an important issue into a witch hunt and it infuriates me how common of an occurrence this is becoming in the last few years -- hell, even the last decade. While I can't adequately describe the "right" way of telling one's story objectively, that doesn't necessarily mean that there is no "wrong" way of doing so as well.

[@luvhair255]

Completely agree

[@shelbyb9965]

The cry for awareness turning into a witch hunt was a feature, not a bug.

[@Destiny2Seishi]

@@shelbyb9965 how so?

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@Destiny2Seishi They’re saying that Sabrina was deliberately trying to create a witch hunt, and that it wasn’t an accident that resulted from her just innocently trying to “share her story.”

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@WrathofFenrir99 You completely missed the point.

[@PurgPurg]

I’m glad you showed how this situation is more nuanced than it seems. It is a little biased tho. Like, if Gus is lying by implication about the purpose of the “”couple’s therapy”” and you’re like eh that’s just semantics, then slam Sabrina for being misleading, it’s a lil weird. But I agree with you overall

[@BareBandSubscription]

But there’s no proof that Sabrina’s accusation about that is even true. She also didn’t deny choosing the coach in question, which would imply she’s flat out lying about what the sessions were for. Her taking that tweet down again later also makes it unlikely that she was telling the truth. So, really, there’s no reason to believe Gus was lying there any more than she was.

[@WatchingYourNethers]

@@BareBandSubscription her taking the tweet down doesn’t make her a liar it just means she doesn’t want to keep engaging in this toxic back and forth when it’s not making anything better.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@WatchingYourNethers Then why didn’t she take down any other tweets? And why did she retract likes from other people’s posts?

[@yarielcardona7955]

@@BareBandSubscription I don't think her deleting the tweet confirms that she was lying. I think it was more of a "oh shit people are mad at me, might as well delete the evidence"

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@yarielcardona7955 Key words being “the evidence”. Why didn’t she delete any other tweets regarding the subject and why did she retract likes from supporting posts that few people actually noticed? I mean you’re not wrong in saying it’s not concrete confirmation or anything, but logically it’s pretty clear.

[@kyrstencarlson8660]

I like your commentary. I don't agree with everything, but I like it. Pretty nonbiased, something incredibly difficult to come by on the internet.

[@adamx1220]

Come a month later after Gus’s side of the story came out you were dead on about all of it. Great job man

[@Likeicare96]

I really don’t see the therapist/dating coach thing as semantics thing. They are very different jobs. As someone else here commented a similar analogy. If someone said I got help becauseI went to a physiotherapist, and it was holistic healer, saying they’re different things isn’t “semantics”. They not only have vastly different educational backgrounds and credentials, they deal with different thing. Plus, even if Sabrina did hire them, it was for something else (opening up their relationship). Gus made it seem like they hired this person to help with the trauma following the pregnancy. I don’t think you can deny that was the implication because why else put it this apology. Back to my analogy, the injury that needed physio was a sprained ankle or something, but because I went to a holistic healer for digestion issues, I “got help”

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

I still think its unfair to flat out call him a lier though. He probably didn't see much of a difference.

[@fashiharz8584]

@@dalgusmaximus4557 he's not that stupid. "Therapy" and "dating coach" are very different terms.

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

@@fashiharz8584 Sabrina hand picked the coach. Honestly I wouldn't have thought about the difference either if I were him.

[@Likeicare96]

@bo rick you did not read my comment. I addressed this. She picked them for a specific situation. The coach makes more sense for that issue (opening up their relationship) vs dealing with the post-pregnancy trauma which a therapist would deal with. Gus very deceptively made it seem like it was for the latter because why else bring it here. Again, this is like me saying that I never saw a physiotherapist and you replying “you saw a holistic healer, you chose them.” And you’d be right.. but I got that for digestion issues… it’s irrelevant to the conversation about a sprained ankle

[@ossumpossum5490]

Anyone can call themselves a therapist or a dating coach. These really are not super specific terms and have a ton of overlap.

[@danielatid7961]

Here’s the basic premise everyone should understand. Gus was being a bad person so he got called out for it and apologized and his following turned against him. Sabrina realized she had a chance at really turning everyone against him so she bended the truth

[@jhonklan3794]

Except he was not even a bad person. He was 100% reasonable.

[@Datjewboi]

Bruh, bless your soul for doing the research. I watched Duncan’s video and was so pissed off

[@JamesEatWorld7758]

Duncan’s hot takes are always absolute trash

[@whyaminotoriginal]

A dating coach isn't even close the real therapy

[@ashketchum4953]

Sabrina chose it though....

[@cameronhirtle7316]

It doesn't matter because she picked the person out. If she had an issue with the technicality of said sessions, coaching or therapy, that was her opportunity to say so. She went with it which means she was okay with it. It's a technicality she can use to trash him publicly.

[@gussjohnson1613]

People hate him for this but all I see is a guy who was scared of having a baby too early, and wanted his girlfriend to follow through with the plan they made together. Some of the things he was accused of also may have been done out of ignorance. But you don't blame a person for ignorance, you either teach them or hope they learn. I feel like Gus learned a lot from the relationship, and probably realized what was wrong about the way he acted before Sabrina ever exposed him. Not saying she's completely in the wrong for exposing him either but she knew what she was doing. So she shoulda just said what she meant

[@leegken3527]

Dude he left her in crippling pain to grab drinks with friends and belittled her when she had medical anxiety from nearly dying. If someone friend, family, or partner had the spawn of satan in them I’d be there for them if they were hurt. He could have at LEAST grown and apologized in a way that wasn’t all about his feelings about her actual experience now that he’s years removed from it.

[@potentialcaroozin2385]

@@leegken3527 I don't see how his apology was "all about his feelings."

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

@@leegken3527 Thats a very twisted way to phrase that. He didn't know she was dying. She didn't know she was dying. That detail wasn't even that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

[@TheHamMann]

I hope this is some sort of sick joke

[@amanSpawn00]

@@leegken3527 you’re literally taking one side of a story. I bet you didn’t even critique her story on what was true or not and what was exaggerated Bro, if you’re great at understanding of language and words, it’s easy to spot that this is less of Gus is a pig and more both of them are quite irresponsible Lemme put it this way. It’s irresponsible of Gus to not check up on her as much as he should have It’s also irresponsible of Sabrina to try having a baby after they already discussed plans for NOT having one Bruh, there’s so much you’re jumping over just for a “MeToo” moment. Which isn’t even what this case was

[@josie3221]

I think you’re missing a key element here. Was what gus did the worst thing a boyfriend could do ever? No, obviously not. HOWEVER, gus’s entire brand was based on his down to earth nature, openness about how he cared for his family and friends, and just all around kindness. I do not believe that what gus did was irredeemable. i also do think some of the ways sabrina has gone about this have been inappropriate. HOWEVER, regardless of these two things, it is obvious that gus’s public persona was a total sham and i have no interest in watching him/listening to his podcast (which i had for three years). edit: also, they’ve explained that the “therapy” was a tiktok counselor and it was about gus wanting do some cuckqueen shit.

[@BareBandSubscription]

That’s a blind accusation made by Sabrina reinforced by no evidence. She also didn’t refute Gus’ outright statement that she chose the coach herself. She also deleted that tweet while his stayed up. All of that logically suggests she was lying about the nature of the sessions.

[@christinemerritt974]

I want to hire you as my defense attorney. You are in the wrong field, my friend. 👏

[@midenarithmos9200]

After getting into a drama about couples like this few years back and finding out the one of the person manipulates the situation so hard it almost made the other person's life and career gone, thankfully they had the receipts to disprove all the accusations and took better path in resolving it. What I learned from it is that I don't want to take side on either of em because you never know which one is manipulating the situation, I'll just wait until a definitive answer or conclusion comes and not bashing them or making personal assumptions to satisfy my own mind.

[@midenarithmos9200]

@@WrathofFenrir99 No, it means giving both party the benefit of the doubt until some piece of information or truth came to be. Until then I don't want to take any sides or yelling to one or both of them because you can't judge someone from incomplete story.

[@The_Cost_Of_Living]

This is a good breakdown, but saying "I'm not telling you how to think" and then mocking them while reading their tweets. Actively shit talking them, and then giving your heavily opinionated viewpoint on this. Don't act like this is just unbiased reporting lmao

[@narutosemails4717]

Wow, finally someone had this take!! This whole situation has been so frustrating, and so many people weren't willing to give any nuance to this situation or change their perspective when presented with more information. Thank you so much for this video, and I really hope more people watch this

[@castielffboi]

This entire situation didn’t need to be public at all. I don’t really know what Sabrina was thinking. Millions of people do not need to know about this, and it’s absolutely none of ours business.

[@CIoneOutcast]

I can't believe this has so few views. It's an extremely well produced and well looked in to video. At the very worst this situation is two people who were both shitty and broke up.

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you, I appreciate it

[@BareBandSubscription]

No. At the very worst, this is a toxic person ruining someone’s life. At the very _least,_ it’s as you suggest.

[@CERTAIND00M]

All his videos are that kind of quality too. And some of them are even about subject matter that doesn't make me wanna cry blood. Which is a nice bonus.

[@morgangunning30]

@@BareBandSubscription the audacity to say this as if sabrina hasn't been permanently scarred by what she went through, emotionally and medically. you think she's ruining *his* life? by telling people what he did? he even admitted to wrongdoing. why are you defending him. this is fucking abysmal behavior

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@morgangunning30 Sorry, at what point did I invalidate her experience and her trauma exactly? Did it occur to you that any criticisms of her current behavior or motivations are entirely independent from what she went through? And “what he did to her”? What was that, exactly? Be overwhelmed by the prospect of losing his unborn baby and potentially his partner? Lash out like _once_ after she wanted to betray their previously established agreement as a couple? Choosing to work while she recovered from a nose job that she chose to get? Where’s the actual abuse here? And were you present to witness this behavior at all? No, you’re just taking the word of an obviously disingenuous and vindictive woman at face value in spite of a mountain of evidence, presented in the very video you are commenting on, that should damage her credibility and make you at least reconsider your position. Instead, you want to be self-righteous and willfully ignorant while you judge others. And Gus didn’t own up to anything specifically, correct? That’s what people seem to scrutinize his apology for. So why the double standard? Why cite his admittance of guilt as evidence of anything when the man literally can’t disprove that he said something to someone in private? He can’t defend himself at all, so all he can do is own up to not being perfect and making mistakes that hurt someone he cared about, which is what he did, but you people choose to internalize it all as abuse purely to justify being high and mighty, and to essentially bully other people. All with ZERO TANGIBLE EVIDENCE. I’m sorry, but you are the one demonstrating abysmal behavior here, child.

[@skylersilvia8225]

I think you’re lacking perspective as you haven’t been in an abusive relationship yourself. You make some good points; Sabrina said some stupid stuff. When she talks about accountability I don’t think she means financial and social repercussions. I think she means that Gus’ responses have been lacking for what she experienced. He minimized abusive patterns to just being young and stupid. That’s not where those things come from. I was in an abusive relationship and it hurts finding so many similarities in her story. What Sabrina went through was some awful stuff, mixed with some EXTREME negligence and shitty behavior from Gus. And honestly I think it’s fine for Sabrina to make mistakes. She went through a lot of shit because of this person and is going through a lot of emotions for it. Trauma can sit with you for a long time. 3 years isn’t that long. I left my abusive partner a year ago and those experiences haunt me on a daily basis. Trauma doesn’t go away easily. Feels like you’re making way bigger of a deal about this than is merited. Think some criticism is fine, but from this video just seems like you’re grasping at unimportant details. Everyone is a hypocrite, especially when they’re hurt. Don’t see how your video really helps anything besides taking away some sympathy from her.

[@acatwithaids5398]

Funny how you preach about lacking perspective when you try to minimize mass manipulation as "saying some stupid stuff". The "abuse" Sabrina suffered was a joke. She's worse than Gus by leagues.

[@skylersilvia8225]

@@acatwithaids5398 sharing your story and experiences isn’t mass manipulation. She’s allowed to talk. There will always be idiots online that draw their own conclusions and go on to do shitty things. But rational people read it, maybe criticize Gus, and then move on. Calling her tweets and comments mass manipulation is absurd, and to say Sabrina is worse than Gus is just criminal. It’s like you know nothing about the situation, but inherently knew what the worst opinion to present was. What a talent you have. You are exactly like the Stan’s Gus himself has criticized in his video about Chris Brown. Don’t even need to hear more from you, clearly a disgusting person and a misogynist to boot. You know nothing of abuse and it shows. Shameful takes, I’d be embarrassed to know you personally. Typical victim blamer 🤮🤮🤮

[@echostorm1996]

@@acatwithaids5398 Emotional manipulation and neglect is by no means a "joke". You are clearly a very apathetic person who has very little understanding of and empathy for the nuances of abuse.

[@courtneylitten9538]

Thank you for being rational and not being afraid to speak up. Great commentary!

[@dubh_glas95]

What does posting a public video have to do with "healing" my therapist would say that's a bad idea and she's only looking for attention

[@evilmerv4645]

Exactly

[@David-gs2tt]

Thank you for disclosing this your a great journalist

[@dee.doubleyou]

22:06 - 22:13 had me in a chokehold, truly hilarious. Great comedic timing, you’re a talent and a hidden gem, hope you blow up big time buddy. Yet again, another banger

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you!

[@yaboibigdepresso5940]

@@JimmyRobins is Jack Wright talking about him being raped by Sienna Mae weaponizing trauma?

[@landonlee691]

@@yaboibigdepresso5940 no. He wasn’t petty afterwards. He wasn’t saying to cancel her. He has video proof he was raped/sexually assaulted . After that he hasn’t constantly said hated on Sabrina on a multitude of platforms like Sabrina did. He did what a actually good abuse victim does. He move on. He didn’t wrap himself up with petty “actuallys” and hasn’t lied as Sabrina did

[@yaboibigdepresso5940]

@@landonlee691 what exactly did Sabrina lie about I shall wait

[@waterbottlefilms6563]

@@yaboibigdepresso5940 Sabrina lied about and ectopic pregnancy or somethin

[@ashketchum4953]

Awesome summary. I share your frustration in this issue, you got it spot on!

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you!

[@that_oneguy00]

Hey Ash, seen you on Gus’s channel!

[@PaulRusty10]

This guy unironically has the best takes about this situation lol

[@JimmyRobins]

Haha, thanks!

[@yaboibigdepresso5940]

@@JimmyRobins you’re an an idiot with all due disrespect you are genuinely moronic

[@TheEpochCompanion]

No, he doesn't. His take is incredibly biased and he clearly has a double standard when it comes to these two.

[@yaboibigdepresso5940]

@@Jorel1235 he wouldn’t say this about Jack Wright who was publicly talking about him being raped anytime a woman comes forward about being abused being raped it’s the woman’s fault it’s Incel shit Jimmy is a dumbass through and through

[@TheEpochCompanion]

@@Jorel1235 check out my comment if you can find it, I'm worn out from having to explain it so many times lol

[@bdunphy4796]

Thank you for doing your research. Thank you for having integrity and respect.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@TacosYBurritos8P Wow. Brilliant response. You think that would work out in a courtroom setting, if someone stood up and laughed at actual evidence?

[@kelleyreeves965]

I dunno man, from Sabrina's recount of things in her initial video, it's not difficult to reason that Gus was being emotionally neglectful and abusive. That's probably why people online are so freely using that word to describe his actions

[@user-pk8bb6lf9b]

Did you watch the video? No one is arguing against that...

[@kelleyreeves965]

@@user-pk8bb6lf9b My comment was in response to around 20:11 where Jimmy starts talking about Sabrina's supporters putting words in her mouth by using terms such as "gaslighting" and "abuse" I was only trying to give a reason as to why they may have felt comfortable "putting words in her mouth"

[@BareBandSubscription]

But her credibility is clearly damaged by evidence of her own motives. You can’t just blindly trust her word without any tangible evidence, just like Gus can’t disprove anything because said tangible evidence very likely doesn’t even exist. All he could do is cave to pressure and apologize for actions that he acknowledges were wrong, but he clearly doesn’t want to even suggest that they were “abusive” nor does he want to begin to argue that she at least exaggerated the claims to smear him, because what the hell is he supposed to produce to back that up? For some stupid reason, the burden of proof is his and that’s why he’s screwed no matter what. Evidence of her own toxic behavior, such as what’s presented in this video here, is pretty much all he’s got, and I seriously doubt he’s looked into any of her activity in the last few months as deeply as the internet has. Also, her BS has actual evidence to indicate her awful behavior. There is zero actual evidence at all to prove Gus Johnson is guilty of the things everyone chooses to believe he is guilty of. That’s a fact. His lack of refuting what he can’t disprove doesn’t mean anything as of now.

[@JamesEatWorld7758]

@@kelleyreeves965 the key takeaway is their both just as bad as the next one.

[@yaboibigdepresso5940]

If a dude this did y’all would not be saying this shit. I find it very funny that anytime a woman talks about a dude being an abusive asshole it’s “you should keep your private life private” or “you’re just weaponizing trauma” it’s genuinely pathetic

[@aurifulgore]

Literally. Plus the ones stating this isn't abuse. Then what is? They move the goalposts every time women share their stories or make police reports because they will never think ill of a man but criticize the woman. Even Chris Brown still has a huge amount of apologists and who will harass Rihanna until the end of their days. It's sickening.

[@Dunz0Washington]

Did you even watch the videos or are you just using a strawman argument to try and white night? How about you have a constructive conversation and point out what you disagree with in the video instead of making up something nobody said to put words in the mouth of people who don't believe without proof?? I'll wait.

[@Dunz0Washington]

@@aurifulgore my above comment goes for you too, I know you had to watch because "moving the goal post" is a phrase you stole from this video. Nobody is talking about Chris brown, we're here talking about this situation.

[@re_i_gn]

Finally, found someone reasonable that shared my core opinions on this topic. Thank you. The most insane part about all of this for me is that everyone's treating Gus as some kind of a threat to the public, thus needing to be ostracized out of every platform he uses. When this was a situation between TWO PARTIES that should've been resolved privately. This is cancel culture at its worst, absolutely insane.

[@shelbyb9965]

Yeah people were demanding a public response/apology, but for what? The only person affected by this was Sabrina. What does he need to address? It was a private matter that while shitty, really doesn't affect anyone outside of that relationship.

[@cocookurr5363]

@@shelbyb9965 I think people (myself included) were just extremely disappointed in Gus. I lost my complete sympathy for him and seeing him showing responsibility would at least gives me of it back

[@fmleverynameistakenx]

Because abuse is not a private issue, it's a societak problem

[@re_i_gn]

@@fmleverynameistakenx i dont see it as abuse as much as a shitty boyfriend not being there for his partner during a critical time when she needed him.

[@fmleverynameistakenx]

@@re_i_gn he controlled her access to health services, and that definitely falls under abuse. It's so important that sabrina talked about this, because people often don't realize how abusive their relationships are until they can't get out. I feel like a lot of people don't really take the whole situation too seriously. I'm a med student, and from what sabrina said, she definitely was in terrible danger. Her having to drive herself to the ER was extremely dangerous. Also, i really hate how the pain of her nose surgery was dismissed here. It may be a minor surgery, but swelling and trauma to the face can be really painful. And she had to deal with the anxiety disorder on top of that. It's not weird at all for wanted support in that situation. This whole "weaponizing trauma" narrative really bothers me. I'm sure she's not a perfect person, but she shouldn't have to be in order to share her story. It's irresponsible to put victims of abuse under such pressure.

[@Nnyandmmy]

Ok but Gus never refuted her claims right (you say multiple times he never contested her original statements)? So if he isn’t defending himself at all and even agreed with her experience in that initial apology he tweeted then he did it right?? He has so much to lose in this situation if these are false allegations and yet he never contested these claims and apologized for DOING them (as far as I’m aware) so... why are you defending him if he seems to concede that this happened??

[@jrbviwiz]

I think the intent of the video was less about defending Gus and more about stop putting Sabrina on a pedestal, she's not as innocent in this drama as she appears. Yes Gus majorly fucked up and was terrible to her when they were together and she needed his support but she has been the one escalating the drama since it has come out. Thats my opinion of it at least. I really only discovered Gus like 1 or 2 months before all this came out so I'm not a huge follower of him, I dont know anything about Sabrina, and I've never watched anything by Jimmy before (found this video because I was curious what happened since hearing about the initial drama, I honestly forgot about Gus until now)

[@acatwithaids5398]

Because what he did isn't as bad was what she did. Being a bad boyfriend is lame, manipulating your audience to get back at her ex is disgusting. Why would anyone defend Sabrina?

[@Sissanee]

@@acatwithaids5398 If her video about the pregnancy is true, which he hasn’t denied and apologized for, that is traumatizing and she has every right to be upset about it. I can’t imagine writhing in pain (an organ literally bursted inside of her body, mind you) and being ignored and having my pain minimized by the person that’s supposed to love me. That shit will stick with you. It doesn’t matter to me that this is years later. It doesn’t matter to me that she made the situation public. It’s a difficult situation to deal with. There is no right way to address things of this nature. Why is it so hard to just have some compassion for Sabrina? I’m not saying cancel Gus. I believe people can grow and change, but he still handled the situation like a dick, and it obviously hurt her very much. Whether he changes or not, it’s not on HER. It still happened to her. It’s still her experience, and peoples reactions are what they are. The reason so many people are upset with him is because his actions were awful. People can change and you are not a bad person for wanting to support him, but vilifying HER for sharing her pain is just tone deaf and not constructive and just makes Gus look worse.

[@acatwithaids5398]

@@Sissanee @Sissanee Sabrina deserves no compassion. Gus wasn't the only one close to her who minimized her pain, she also said in the video close family and multiple medical professionals also downplayed it, Gus was one of the many who Sabrina went to and was blown off, I agree this is lame but really... Who cares? 3 years had past, its old news. I could care less if she couldn't cope with that, its evident from the receipts that she took little to no effort to try and breach any communication with Gus, and since not refuting something means its confirmed then she confirmed this on Twitter, funny how that works. She happily twisted making a decision without consulting my bf at the time too "he was gonna break up with me if I didnt do what he asked :c". She manipulated her entire audience the entire time this played out. Gus was a bad boyfriend and if she had any self respect she would've just left and moved on. In no world is posting a video capitalizing off "trauma" helping a healing process. You wanna talk about stuff that doesn't matter? Ok lets do that. It doesn't matter to me that she almost died, shes a nobody and people die all the time. I dont care about her private life with an ex, shes a worthless loser for using her platform to get back at her ex. A platform she wouldn't have if she didnt date Gus. In fact its really cute how when all this went down and she monetized her "brave video about healing" and her reasoning for doing so was "I lost my home and car and I need the money" when it was Gus' car and Gus' home. Gus didn't owe anyone an apology except Sabrina and after this garbage she doesn't deserve anything but vitriol. I've yet to meet anyone whos pro sabrina with any form of an intelligent take. Its always the same ilk, simps and people who want to cry about abuse but ignore the fact Sabrina happily abused right back when given the chance.

[@Nnyandmmy]

@@acatwithaids5398 this is such a juvenile take, “ooob so what she almost died” soooo edgy of you. Come back to this conversation when you have the ability to empathize with an abuse victim and understand that Gus isn’t a victim for being held accountable for his actions. He never denied the horrid things he’s been accused of and so people can choose to support him or not. She has said herself she doesn’t want to cancel him, this dudes video makes assumptions for motivations to frame her as some sort of mastermind when she literally just shared her story and left it at that. Fuck Gus, he profited off of the wholesome guy image for years when he’s actually a fucking degenerate

[@jspaingreene6350]

Once again...I am glad to have you sum up this drama for me as i couldn't be arsed to look at this directly. It's like the old soap opera digests my auntie used to read... just give me the story! KZbin is so much high school drama...

[@JimmyRobins]

Haha, thank you!

[@burgermind802]

Not looking into something directly is a great way to discern what is true. What an amazing life hack you have discovered!

[@jspaingreene6350]

@@burgermind802 The point is, it has no bearing to anything substantive in policy or culture, and certainly nothing you & I have anything to do with. If it's about disease and disinformation, a voting issue or something I ingest...I look into it. If it's entertainment garbage on KZbin, I spectate. This is not the platform to address serious issues. KZbin is a cesspool & I deal with it as such. I appreciate your deep thoughts and wit.

[@TheEpochCompanion]

He is very biased in his coverage of this situation so I wouldn't consider this an objective summary by any means.

[@davidbendover8036]

This really changed my outlook on the situation

[@akaste4413]

a dating coach is in no way a counselor or couples therapy. to pretend that’s moving a goal post is ignorant as hell. if the COACHING was about a desire to have outside partners that is manipulative on Gus’ part and again shows a pattern of harmful behavior towards Sabrina. A coaching “specialist” is not a professional, and is something that people can stick their noses up at. Gus shared the receipts of the coach, so it would appear he paid not Sabrina, and he may not have been willing to go to actual couples THERAPY instead of coaching.

[@BareBandSubscription]

Then why did Sabrina choose the coach herself?

[@harrytodhunter5078]

I love the Irony of Nickisnotgreen criticising Gus for an embarrassing apology, now that Nick released 4 shitty apology videos for the SuperMega stuff.

[@shanevanmatre3603]

I wonder what your thoughts are on both the Paymoneywuby interview with Gus and Nickisnotgreens response to the interview. As someone who watches both of them I feel rather uncomfortable with what’s been circulating.

[@ContinuedOak]

To be fair on dunkens end I don’t think he’s a bad person nor did it intentionally, only was blind sighted, however he should of just said “hey I was wrong”

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

But he didn't take back he's comment about Svens video having bad motives. He shrugs it off. Kind of a douchy thing to do imo.

[@deadheathen2000]

This is the best video covering this topic, everyone else just goes on Sabrina's side and is just furthering the hate on Gus

[@nnick012]

Holy fuck man I literally just discovered this drama and everybody has gone insane.

[@chrimbus3442]

Im just glad I found this video. I dont think gus is innocent but I thought i was going to go insane thinking i was the only one who thought Sebrina was being over the top with all of this. Ive been around enough drama like this to know that situations like this are ugly and you dont always get to explain shit that needs to be explained. I just think Sebrina is using the clout from this to catapult her (lets be honest) far less popular channel into the spotlight. She hasnt beeing dating him for awhile and hasnt gained alot of subs/interes so of course shes going to use something like this to gey ahead. Doesnt mean gus is a good guy but it does show me that theres more then one side to this and that Sebrina might be a manipulative person.

[@stretchscreamers]

@@chrimbus3442 yeah both of them have been in the wrong. Gus was emotionally abusive and neglectful. But sabrina had handled this very strangely.

[@cameronhirtle7316]

Spot on man. Nobody is saying Gus didn't make some mistakes in the way he addressed that situation and some of his choices during her pregnancy issues. He owned those and apologized for them. But it's a far, far cry from being labeled as an abuser, anti pro-choice, and a horrible degenerate. Her apologists miss your point, which is not that Gus made some mistakes, it's her motives. She isn't trying to resolve the situation and bring light to anything, it was a deliberate smear campaign on Gus' character after a sour breakup. Why else would she lie about the couples coaching and then correct him on such a stupid technicality? She lied then, she lied about him forcing her into an abortion she wanted herself. But nobody questions her motives or anything else she may have lied about? She has taken no accountability for her accountability in the breakup. Sounds about right. Love the breakdown, subscribed.

[@disgruntledtoad2585]

i respectfully commented some more context on kuncan dastner’s last video and he deleted them. he also calls gus a liar when sabrina clarified it wasn’t technically therapy. no research done on his part. super mature.

[@BareBandSubscription]

Successful commentators on KZbin just suck. They gain their subscribers by taking safe stances and pandering to their audience, never challenging them and rarely providing anything insightful. I genuinely think they’re all garbage (of the ones I’ve seen). It’s the smaller channels like this with creators who are genuinely intelligent, well-researched, informative, and without anything to lose in the process of just being honest. That’s what a commentary channel should be. There’s _integrity._

[@disgruntledtoad2585]

@@BareBandSubscription EXACTLY. i’m floored by the whole situation.

[@ei_maj]

@@BareBandSubscription and they always provide receipts. Instead of baseless claims, or trying to sway the viewers perception with overly emotional, mental gymnastics.... Good commentators always have screenshots, compiled social media "data", things of that nature, to put it all out there.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@ei_maj Precisely. It’s just the unfortunate result of the platform’s structure: the lamest, least challenging, least insightful and most sensationalized crap will always rise to the top and maintain dominance of the narrative, because people only want their preconceived notions to be validated, not put into any question. It’s weak.

[@ei_maj]

@@BareBandSubscription very well said.

[@WatchingYourNethers]

Calling couples coaching different from licensed counseling is not “moving the goal posts”. Nor is naming your abuser “weaponizing your trauma” There aren’t words for how disgusting it is to make a video picking apart a victim of abuse and how they came out about their experience.

[@TDMFAN]

Just because someone is a victim of abuse doesn't mean their claims are free from scrutiny, nor their actions. The only identifiable form of abuse she actually pointed out in her video was when he was stepping in to downplay her symptoms. He has acknowledged this as him believing he could control the situation when he should have instead been supporting and believing her.

[@landonlee691]

Ah yes. She’s a women being abused she can’t be criticized

[@landonlee691]

Lieing and being manipulative to the public is weaponizing trama

[@WatchingYourNethers]

@@TDMFAN that’s a bold faced lie. He was emotionally abusive as a pattern. He tried to bully her into getting an abortion. He was trying to use his anger to control her. When she was on the brink of death in the hospital in excruciating pain he told her “someone would have left you by now”. If you really watch her video in its entirety she points out so many things that absolutely constitute abuse.

[@WatchingYourNethers]

@@landonlee691 except she didn’t lie he admitted to doing what she said. The only thing he tried to dispute she literally had receipts for so idk why you’re trying so hard to discredit a victim of very serious life threatening trauma.

[@ghoster7600]

Watched Duncans first video before this one and even I thought how he analyse the sketches were a big stretch. Thank you for making this video. I admire your effort on making things objective as possible.

[@stretchscreamers]

Yeah I like Duncan but that part of his video was a stretch.

[@mikellamont18]

Paymoneywubby did an interview with Gus on twitch about this today or yesterday...it sheds a lot of light on the situation

[@popefrancis6932]

well the problem for me is that what you call being a "shitty boyfriend", seems to be more of Gus forcing her to get an abortion, threatening to leve her, and generally being mentally abusive. Of course, we have no idea about how severe this "mental abuse" was, but he has not denied that he obviously said and did some shitty things. And yes, you can grow and learn from mistakes, and I'm not saying that Gus is a more shitty person than a lot of us probably would be if shit really hit the fan. The problem is that Gus whole career is based around him being a wholesome guy. If you build a career of being wholesome, and a "good guy", then you actually would have to be that in real life to. It's more about the gap between him as a human, and his persona online. Sabrina could have chosen to not out Gus, but honestly she is not wrong for doing it. It's not her fault that Gus career is built around being a person that he supposedly doesn't live up to outside of the internet...

[@arirejtman]

Gus didn't force anyone to get an abortion: Gus and Sabrina agreed to have an abortion if Sabrina got pregnant. Also, Sabrina was the one who decided to not "trust" her family and tell them about this "unique" scenario. She put all the pressure on herself and Gus, and neither of them were "prepared" to make tough decisions about an uncommon situation like having an Ectopic pregnancy. You're impersonating Pope Francis while spewing false information. People like you are part of the problem. I hope you re-watch Sabrina's vid and get your facts correct.

[@austindusek1725]

I think you're being reckless for saying Gus forced her to have an abortion. Pretty sure they agreed on a plan (to abort) if they became pregnant. Not saying people can't change their minds, but it's unfair to Party A when Party B changes their mind. Just because it might be unfair doesn't give free reign to the (more) adversely effected party, but it does allow for some glimpse of understanding. As the video states, Gus and no one should have their professional career nuked from being a poor partner. Obviously there's a threshold of what poor can mean, but generally just being a bad boyfriend, I don't think, cuts it.

[@popefrancis6932]

@@arirejtman according to sabrina he said something along the lines of "well, it's not even a choise, you'r getting the abortion or im leving you." Gus has not denied this, and sure, she might have exaggerated it. No way of knowing. The point is that even if you decided something before it happens, it is still up to the woman to decide what to do. As sabrina herself said, it's different when it acctually happens. Bottom line: Don't have unprotected sex if you can't deal with with the possible outcome of a child.

[@slik-0974]

@@popefrancis6932 thank you papa frank

[@adamx1220]

@@popefrancis6932 bc she would of died otherwise. Do you know what “ectopic” means?

[@crisannmccloy5274]

Thoroughly enjoy your videos. When you make it big it'll be fun to say we were part of the first few fans. :) Keep up your incredible work!

[@CryptoTonight9393]

The fact she only made her video after gus turned her down when she bought him gifts and said she wanted to get back together makes this all seem a bit more vindictive than a part of her healing progress.

[@BareBandSubscription]

Yep. Established motivation and evidence. This was a smear job and she’s a horrible person.

[@Shaabun]

Really solid explanation, great video

[@thewatcher7800]

Finally! Someone who isn't using the drama just for click bait but you DID ACTUAL research I love it, you're dope you've got a subscriber

[@CERTAIND00M]

My thoughts exactly!

[@laurenbarnett8912]

I 100% agree with your viewpoint. As a female, I hate the stigma that the female is always the victim. I remain neutral in situations unless I’m personally involved, however I do think Sabrina tried to take the full victim stance (if it isn’t already obvious) and Gus tried to remain civil while also clarifying the situation which he 100% did NOT have to do. True fans of Gus look at him as you do, and say he’s an entertainer and that’s all I care about. This situation has piqued my interest, however and I enjoyed your video! You now have a new subscriber!

[@skylersilvia8225]

Forget fans who know literally nothing about the situation. What about Gus’ real world friends who have all abandoned him? You think Eddy would end their friendship over nothing? Not likely. What’s more likely is that what Gus did in his relationship with Sabrina was awful enough for Eddy to want nothing to do with him any more. You don’t know what Sabrina went through so you have no right to act like she’s exaggerating what happened. All the evidence suggests Gus was emotionally abusive to her which he has not in any way denied. All this loser did in his video was drama farm and point out some stupid things she said while emotional. She was in an abusive relationship and you don’t care how shitty Gus was. All ya had to say pick me🥱

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

@@skylersilvia8225 Lol eddy abandoned him to spare his own career. Seemed pretty obvious to me. You also don't know what sabrina went through either.

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

@@skylersilvia8225 Sabrina never said he was abusive though. Twitter idiots like you were the one that conflated the situation and made him sound the absolute worst that he could have possibly been. Jimmy wasn't trying to defame sabrina in anyway he was just showing how people like you have been mislead into thinking gus is some irredeemable monster. But I guess you don't really care about the people that were hurt here, you just wanna find a reason to bully someone. That seems pretty abusive to me...

[@electriccarpet4]

@@minumeyli Very well said. Disappointing seeing all the victim blaming in this situation.

[@skylersilvia8225]

@@dalgusmaximus4557 holy fuck people like you are horrifically pathetic lmfao. From the first line you had me laughing because I had already knew everything you’d say from there. Unfortunately, I read your whole comment regardless. You don’t know anything about abuse. She didn’t need to outright say he was abusive. You realize the actions she described in regards to him were emotional abuse, right? Probably not considering how blatantly unintelligent you are. I haven’t bullied anyone besides you now you brittle bitch. You obviously have no idea what it’s like to be in a relationship where you are constantly gaslighted about your own problems, having them minimized, and being ignored on your needs. Well let me tell you, I do have personal experience there. Maybe that stuff sounds trivial, but when the circumstances are so serious and it’s repeated behavior that shit can be devastating and traumatizing for a very long time. So I do care about Sabrina and her experiences. When I heard her share experiences it made me feel sick. The actions of one of my favorite content creators reminded me of my abusive ex. Which is why I care about this situation. I loved Gus and his content. At first I wanted to find a path of redemption for him. But Gus has repeatedly doubled down(blocking any critical responders) and minimized his actions(acting like what he did was just stuff from being dumb and naive in his apologies). Only suggests he hasn’t actually changed which is the worst part in a way. Your take on Eddy is WILD. Straight delusional. Goes against his entire character and reputation among other content creators. I dare you to give me any evidence in past behavior to suggest Eddy would throw away his best friend for his career. He was clearly very hurt by the whole situation, hence why he refused to talk about it in any substantial detail. He didn’t drama farm the situation like this loser did. You morons focus on the unimportant semantics instead of the actual problems that occurred. It’s gross. I hope you’re too young to actually grasp this situation, because if you’re anything over 20 you need to rethink some of your perspectives and get a bit of empathy. But hey, I’m sure you’ll “read” this without anything sinking into that thick skull so no worries there. Never change 👍

[@VideoGameSlang]

I don't agree with all of your criticisms of Sabrina but I 100% agree with your criticism of Kuncan Daster and other ignorant commentary channels.

[@ghoster7600]

I like Duncan but that whole situation just shit the bed with that one.

[@alextric2812]

Young people are bad people sometimes. They’re selfish a lot. It happens. Did he act horribly? Yes, but would a lot of people in this situation understand how to handle it perfectly and make no mistakes? No. I’ve been a horrible young person in a relationship and the idea that an ex would expose me for that and people on the internet would be tearing me apart for it, is so frightening. Let people develop and grow into new people. Otherwise what is the point?

[@tommysalami5268]

This. I got married and divorced before I was 25. I'm so glad we weren't famous cuz all the nasty things we said and did to each other.

[@chlorinelori1064]

All these kids at 17,18,20 defend Sabrina because they didn’t make mistakes… yet, there is still time to make many and when they do oh boy. Like that INabber, I’m just waiting for him to get into a controversy which he definitely will. He is so above all and better than anyone, let’s see. Same as Creepshow art. I was waiting on her too, she had the same “I’m better than these people” approach.

[@pakuma3]

​@@chlorinelori1064Exactly!!! They haven't lived!!! Gus and Sabrina went through a huge ordeal for their age, they lived things the vast majority of yt drama followers haven't, things that would be so hard for any adult of any age to handle properly. But they are young, they still see life in black and white.

[@ei_maj]

Always appreciate an objective, unbiased breakdown. I realized there are way too many ignorant opinions on this situation, and that does a lot of damage regarding the topic of abuse and domestic violence. (Especially when the whole thing had been nearly completely one-sided.) Thanks for covering all the facts.

[@JimmyRobins]

Of course, and thank you for your feedback!

[@ei_maj]

@@TacosYBurritos8P elaborate, don't be a coward.

[@Stevenasty]

It’s happening again save Supermega

[@BareBandSubscription]

Just wanted to point out that TolerLive, a friend of Gus’ who cut ties with him after Sabrina’s video, commented on this very video with a simple “lmfao”, as if to discredit it or downplay it in some way. I responded to that comment by saying this: “Very eloquent response. That really invalidates all that clear evidence. How’s it feel to get played, backstabber?” *He immediately deleted his comment.*

[@seanicus100]

I honestly feel like 90% of these people are just disgusting creeps. I don't know why we get so attached to them. They're just all about the clout.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@seanicus100 I don’t get attached to anyone I can’t shake hands with. I’m here for entertainment and personal education and nothing more. My stake in this situation and others like it is just to see BS get called out, people get humbled, and others be liberated from the bullying and abuse of a childish, self-righteous culture. People like TolerLive simply deserve to be called out.

[@seanicus100]

@@BareBandSubscription I'm not really talking about you in particular, I just mean people on youtube.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@seanicus100 Oh, I know. I wasn’t reacting in any way under that assumption. That’s just me ranting for a moment lol Sorry if it came off the wrong way.

[@douglasgorde5823]

Really well researched and well spoken man

[@Zoso37123]

Sounds like gus was a shitty boyfriend and sabrina a spiteful ex girlfriend. Both in the wrong, but sabrina publicly putting it out there was a lose lose situation and she had to have known it's impact and hoped for that, which if so, was shitty on her part. They were both in their 20s and people can be bad at relationships.

[@MrProofMan]

Once again, you have the correct take

[@StepsofAnie]

My understanding is Sabrina is likely trying to heal by sharing her side of the story but has gotten caught up in the internet cancellation squad that loves anything to try and cancel people on. It comes across to me as someone who is still not completely reconciled with what has happened and therefore she found comfort in those supporting her. With this in mind, she’s then done things she may not (note the word may) have intended to do like call Gus out. With her surge in support and popularity, it has encouraged her to step away from that intention she expressed in the beginning. On a note of the word “accountability”; Gus hasn’t denied the clear majority of her claims but he also hasn’t openly admitted to them either. The best we’ve got is an implication. Consequence can happen without taking accountability which is what you described. The fact it all became public hearsay and cancellation fodder is not a good thing and I do not stand up for Sabrina in any of that. I do understand that she may not have gotten what she wanted in terms of accountability (her feelings validated explicitly about the situation, a clear confession of wrongdoing from Gus) which may have led to the accountability statement. I don’t think Gus is worth cancelling over any of this; being a bad boyfriend isn’t a crime. My opinion of him has shifted with the drama but I wouldn’t describe it as a serious wrongdoing worth ruining his life. The cancellation squad going after people associated with Gus is a sad but inevitable part of their MO. Those people associated don’t deserve that attention. I do hope they can find closure somehow to leave this mess behind. Privately, with maybe something simple to say it’s over and to stop the cancellation squad hounding down anyone to do with Gus. Am I optimistic? No. This is my interpretation of events and, obviously without being part of it, will never be the whole story

[@greenbrickbox3392]

I'd say a portion of it was for healing but she almost immediately saw an opportunity for revenge against her perceived "abuser" by outing him publicly in the comments and twitter replies she liked which straight up called him Gus and abuser who should not have a career. She certainly went out of the way to try and destroy him publicly and youtubers are very vulnerable to cancelation which is exactly what happened. He certainly sounds like an awful boyfriend in his early 20s and not emotionally supportive at all but their relationship overall ticked a bunch of red flags for being toxic with horrible communication and probably should have ended after the pregnancy rather than years later. I still don't think Gus being a bad relationship partner raises to the level of him being an abuser who deserves to be cancelled at a professional level and her trying to get in the weeds of couples therapist vs dating coach and him opening pokemon cards while she was recovering from her elective rhinoplasty surgery made me think the motivation for this was more personal relationship disputes that is really nothing the internet needs to be involved with taking a side in.

[@CERTAIND00M]

I literally thought I was going insane before I found your first video on this subject. when I saw Gus posted an apology to his channel, I actively ignored the inevitable fallout for a few days because I knew it would be an absolute trash-fire. Thank you for making this excellent follow-up and catching me up to speed.

[@souleaterevans4589]

I like most of this video, but a few points are pretty weak. Sabrina uploaded the video publicly, on the same platform Gus is most popular on. I don't see how her doing that is "calls for attention". What should she have done differently? Not said anything?? Speaking out will always garner attention when public figures are involved. Should partners of public figures never be allowed to speak their truth if it hurts the public person? That shouldn't be used as a detraction from the message that Gus did stuff wrong. Sabrina has no control over the fact that he's a public figure that a lot of people will consume content of. Has Sabrina ever once encouraged people targeting Sven or alluded to Sven being involved somehow? I haven't seen that, which makes me wonder why this video suggests that Sabrina is somehow two-faced for reminding people he isn't involved. From my perspective, it seems like she's trying to defend an innocent person from the misinformation spreading about him. Her stirring up drama has no direct correlation with fans attacking Sven if she never told them to. That's her community taking action on misinformation she had no part in spreading. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Lastly, "owing" her KZbin growth to Gus stops being a valid argument when you're suggesting she not speak out about how he emotionally abused her. She deserves to be able to speak her truth on her platform just as much as he does on his

[@JamesEatWorld7758]

She absolutely encouraged everyone to target Gus when she made it public and started encouraging tweets by liking and retweeting random people. Gus’ side of the story adds this up.

[@CB-dj1uz]

Oh I just watched your other video without realizing there was an updated one. My thoughts might change lol

[@peepaw0_0]

You claim to be impartial but your points seem to be biased towards Gus tho

[@BareBandSubscription]

Well, gee, you think that might be because of what all that pesky *evidence* is suggesting?

[@BareBandSubscription]

@Sal Minella People like her cannot help exposing themselves eventually. Just in my own experience, it eventually always leads to people sniffing them out and them getting the hell out of dodge. Unfortunately, even in those situations, the people who took part in the smear campaign almost never showed the humility to apologize to the people they helped smear. I don’t see a lot of these kids who are beating on Gus Johnson being able to do that without feeling socially obligated or pressured to. Situations like this are just the textbook definition of “toxic”. But just wait until Sabrina is in another public relationship and she can’t help but try to exact the same revenge again. That’s when the world is going to hold a big, fat “?” over the whole thing, I’m sure of it.

[@lavender4322]

First, I really cannot express how excellent this video is. The analysis, the critical thinking, and the chronology in your arguments were just really coherent and amazing. I agree with everything that has been said. While I do acknowledge that Sabrina has been going through a very difficult time and that Gus was definitely a bad boyfriend during many stages of their relationship, I do believe like you said that he received his accountability. At first, I was fully siding with her, but as soon as I saw more of her tweets and tried to analyze the situation in general, I realized eventually how she is definitely benefitting so much from this situation and how she DEFINITELY sought revenge. I agree that it can be really frustrating to go through something bad because of someone and you want to see them get their karma, but I believe Gus got enough to learn a lesson or two. No one is under the obligation to still support him, but I do believe that receiving a massive amount of death threats, a wrecked reputation, and losing friendships/partnernships was big enough of a punishment and saying "no accountability may ever come" might be a stretch. I am sorry for what she has been through, it must have been really awful and I hope she is better, but accountability is there for a big part unlike many women who got extremely abused on all aspects, lost everything, and still saw their abusers thrive. Overall, that matter should have remained personal or at least not reach lengths where very specific details were shared with a large audience that has no business in that.

[@oneshot8109]

Yeah just the fact that so many people are assuming the absolute worst possible conclusions about what Gus did is so infuriating. Gus FORCED her to have an abortion? Like physically or he just verbally abused her until she did? He left her half-dead in a hospital to go drink with his friends? He intentionally did that, hoping she would die? That's all such monstrous behavior that you would have called him out on as soon as it happened then, right? But it happened years ago, and no one in their social circles ever mentioned it or had a problem working with Gus anyway? It just doesn't add up... Not that she's totally bullshitting, but people are wildly speculating and making Gus look like a cartoon villain, when there is obviously so much more nuance to the situation. Gus was a bad boyfriend so they broke up, end of story, move on.

[@tass348]

@@oneshot8109 “he JUST verbally abused her” ???

[@R34G4N]

dude. fantastic video. level-headed, sane, fair, FUNNY. great job !!!!!

[@bigbeanburrito7459]

Great video man! Very levelheaded arguments and points defending both sides. Definitely earned yourself a sub brotha. Hope your video clears up confusion around this mess

[@GarretRB]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that could tell she has been taking advantage of this situation

[@BareBandSubscription]

You just made essentially the exact video, with the exact points, utilizing the exact evidence, that I have felt compelled to make for a couple of days now. Thanks to you, that video practically already exists and doesn’t need to be made by me at all. Thank you for having the confidence to come out and try to help put all this in front of the world. Subbed. Also, I’m generally not one to make assumptions, and I would never diagnose anyone as I’m not at all qualified and not privy enough to witness Sabrina’s day-to-day behavior, but based entirely on what I have seen of her and the manipulative and histrionic things she has done in the public eye, from the very jump of this situation (even within her original video itself, imo), and going off my own self-education and personal life experiences with people who are uncannily similar in behavior, I believe she has traits of histrionic or borderline personality disorder. And look, I really, really hate how people throw around these self-diagnoses of personality disorders these days, but I can’t deny what I see clear as day. Her theatrical presentation, her deliberate withholding of information or obvious attempts to mislead the public in an effort to make him look worse, her clearly poisoning her and Gus’s social circles against him, her portraying herself purely as an innocent coming from a place of altruism, her apparent need for constant, unbroken attention (based on the whole rhinoplasty/Pokemon card “incident” and how she seems to perceive and present it), and even that stupid, phoney baby voice I’ve heard her speak in are all one-to-one exactly like specific individuals I’ve been both blessed and cursed to know and love in my life, all of whom exhibited the exact same tendencies and were each diagnosed with BPD. Regardless of the events and actions that we have no actual objective insight into, *she is toxic,* and it’s her own conduct that has proven that. There is actual evidence proving that, and yet the world is beating down on the partner whose alleged abuse really can’t actually be proven and likely never will be. I’m curious to see what happens in her next public relationship, and especially what happens if and when she tries to exact the same revenge on whoever that next partner may be. I feel it’s inevitable people will come around to re-examining this situation once they’re better informed, and especially in light of another bit of relationship drama like this happening with her down the road. Again, *I am not diagnosing her,* but the traits are there, 100%.

[@ryansabin2618]

Saying you aren't diagnosing someone and then proceeding to give all your evidence for a hypothetical diagnosis is kinda bullshit. It's just being toxic without the accountability. Criticizing someone's actions and motivations is fair game but when you start speculating about mental illness is when it's too far, and then acting like you aren't trying to do exactly what you're doing is pretty manipulative. It's about on the same level as people speculating about Sven secretly collaborating with Gus to torment Sabrina via vaguely related KZbin comedy skits.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@ryansabin2618 Hey, uh, buddy, it’s actually _not_ the same thing. Using ACTUAL evidence of one’s ACTUAL behavior to justify an observation of one’s behavior is not the same thing that these children out here do. They are merely pulling mental gymnastics and speaking out of their element. Look at the list of behaviors or traits I typed out, and then do yourself a favor and do some research into personality disorders and BPD, and particularly the various methods those with the disorder go about smearing others. She’s textbook. The only reason I maintain I’m not diagnosing her is because it would be arrogant and foolish, but that doesn’t change the fact the behaviors are _obviously_ there. I know they are there, because I literally saw them, as did all of you. There’s a very clear distinction between diagnoses and what I’m doing. I’m observing very fairly and I never thought to speak out on my observations until I couldn’t help but notice that I seriously couldn’t find any clip or example of her behavior that _didn’t_ somehow line up. I didn’t _want_ to walk in and suggest such a thing of her, but just look at the evidence. Look what she’s doing. You’re commenting on a video that proves this very behavior. The traits or behaviors she exhibits, while symptomatic of a disorder like BPD, are not exactly exclusive to the disorder, either. That’s why I make point of not outright diagnosing her. I actually know well enough about what I’m talking about to make that caveat clear, because it’s not an open-and-shut case with this stuff. I’m commenting on her behavior and the potential neat, little folder they may or may not squeeze into. If it really makes you feel better, I’ll admit that she might just be a horrible person. Mkay, sweetums? No matter how much you want to judge or invalidate me, it won’t change _her_ behaviors or what they might signify to any educated perspective. Also, accusing a random KZbin commenter of manipulation and toxic behavior just for shedding light on a possibility that I’m actually thoroughly educated on, if not truly qualified for, shows the desperation on your end. The fact you can’t tell the difference between your or any of you other kids’ own Hail Mary BS, and what my comment was, says all that needs to be said. ALSO ALSO, making observations of someone’s behavior and floating the possibility of histrionic or borderline personality disorder, IS NOT outright vilification. The behavior itself may be toxic, as I previously declared, but it’s not my fault those disorders have a stigma around them.

[@GreaterGermanRepublic]

This is honestly just sad to see, people milking people's pain and suffering for veiws. This is not just regular internet drama about nothing. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you need to share it.

[@jstnhnt28]

Dissected like a surgeon. Great stuff 👍

[@DravenCross]

I noticed Sabrina is going around commenting positively to any video siding with her or condemning Gus which means she's actively searching these videos up because they're definitely not trending at the moment. You've done wonderful work here, you have yourself a new Subscriber

[@arivertoeveryone]

thanks for this vid i watched gus' vids sporadically but id never consider myself a fan when the whole situation broke lose, i did not even notice it therefore, id never side with anyone from the get go it just seems to me that people always want the world to be black // white it's much simpler then one person is an angel and the other the devil seeing you give this situation and its reaction some much needed context made me feel like i am not the only person in the world seeing some nuance in it so keep it up with the content, i surely enjoyed this vid

[@chrimbus3442]

Same, its unfortunate to see so many people just blindly follow what Sebrina says. Not defending gus or his actions but I think its important to differentiate. People are treating him like a literal rapist or abuser, yet all he did was not be there for his GF during an emotional time. Like thats shit you get help for or break up over, not wait 3 years till your lives are completely separated to expose him over since your channel has plateaud since you dont collab with bigger channels anymore.. .

[@NBlakeslee]

Interesting take. Also, Polygamy (Multiple Spouses) =/= Polyamory, "Open Relationship" sounds more like what you are trying to reference.

[@nonyabidness6492]

They weren't married, so they weren't spouces. So yeahhh, he was right

[@jimmiehenson]

I can’t tell you how glad I am someone made a well-researched, cogent video from this perspective.

[@donte3615]

Your channel is honestly amazing Jimmy. Keep up the good work 👍

[@OMGITSDG]

Honestly its shite… People be like ”yeah i dunno if i ever can forgive this behaivor man”, good because no one is apologizing. This is about 2 people, but everyone insists making it about them if only for a little moment, as much as a articulate comment is with nothing but opinions is enough for most people… pathetic.

[@GreeeenT]

I understand how this happened cause I see how she’s acting in my past self after my last breakup. It took me a long time to finally let go of my narrative and be able to sympathize with my ex and not see him as this villain. Sabrina felt hurt after what Gus did (rightly so) but she didn’t deal with it at the time, she only brought it up after other things came about and lead to their break up. I did the exact same thing, my ex did things that hurt me when we were together but I was so in love that I shoved them to the back of my head and they only were able to come up when our relationship was crumbling and I was already mad at him. Gus was a terrible boyfriend and she has every right to be mad at him, but why bring this to the public? I really feel for him cause he lost his best friend and his career all because she couldn’t keep this between them. Relationships are rarely ever black and white and they’re very messy, I understand tho how you can be so adamant on your perspective but it’s more times than not, not a villain/victim dynamic. I hope she lets go of this cause no body wins. Even tho the internet is on her side and it might seam like she’s winning, hating someone and holding a grudge eventually takes a toll on you.

[@SkitzoFriendic]

Thank you.

[@impv1se]

gus didnt beat her didnt rape her she stayed with him for years after this was a non issue

[@t-rex4211]

Sounds like he was tired of her shit. Having watched her vid 5 times ( YT recommended wouldn’t let it go) it seems she’s bitter about the break up. They both agreed to terminate a baby if she fell pregnant so why suggest considering keeping it? He was out for food and drinks….but drove to the hospital within the 4 hours she was there to one of her many appointments….Then carry on for 3 years after all that. 6 months after I’d say maybe abuse etc but 3 years? She mentions she was mental from hormones after that. These are more the actions of someone that got cheated on. We’ll never know all the facts but this seems like they split and she wanted revenge. Sniff.

[@lei_zsketches]

I’m really glad that I watched this video first instead of Duncan’s because man I had no idea where to go first from all the information. I found out that Gus was in a controversy from a KZbinr who was making an apology tier list (and I think it was deleted). Gus was mentioned and it was surprising because I wasn’t aware of anything happening; then I became disappointed because of everything that was said about what he did. I wanted to know the ordeal to at least understand. You laid it out really well with as much neutrality as you could have. I really hope people who were as clueless I was about what was going on, find this vid because they might be mislead from that other guy with more views

[@deusvult6938]

Okay.. i checked your other videos too and they were good holy shit. You earned yourself a subscriber dude, keep up the good work :)

[@tianna1116]

I think it’s reasonable for Gus to be upset and have confusing feelings about her pregnancy when they talked about the possibility before and decided together that if it happened she would get an abortion. So it happened and she went back on that agreement, and he’s supposed to just be okay with that? A huge permanently life changing thing like having a child, he’s not allowed to be confused or have any negative feelings towards her around that? That’s so not fair. I hate this world we live in now where women get all the benefit of the doubt and men are usually automatically labeled “abuser” for something so normal.

[@jhonz1822]

Realest take I've seen on this issue. A lot of people I've seen are completely one way or the other but tbh both of them are in the wrong. Gus was obviously a bad boyfriend and he should have been there for Sabrina, but responding to a comment saying its Gus 6 hours after posting a video keeping him anonymous is just dumb. I'm about 65/35 to Gus given that this entire thing should have been handled off of the internet, and also because Sabrina continues to try and make Gus look bad. Entire things a shitshow though.

[@morgangunning30]

"Sabrina makes Gus look bad by talking about the things he did"

[@jhonz1822]

@@morgangunning30 yea their both bad people. It does sound like i’m ratting on sabrina on that sentence i saw that gus uploaded a video so i’m interested now about how this is gonna progress

[@eli-kave]

Your commentary is very insightful and this whole video is a very great and interesting watch Thank you for making this video

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you, and thank you for watching.

[@hiiipowerbass2337]

THANK YOU

[@ssnguru]

When you described all the negative repercussions of this, that Gus has suffered, you said, "What does accountability possibly look like if this isnt it?" That's not accountability. That's punishment. Accountability would be Gus taking responsibility for his actions and how those actions affected others. Yes, he did the "apology video" and people disagree on how genuine it was. Me, personally, I thought he sounded narcissistic and tried to come off as the victim ... of fear. I'm just saying whatever he intended, that's how he sounded. But my point is, him losing income, losing the dog, losing his friend/comedy partner, all that is punishment, not accountability. Those things are actions that happened TO him. Accountability is an action one takes themself.

[@BareBandSubscription]

He never once made himself out to be a victim. This video has tangible evidence to support it’s judgment of the situation, and you simply do not. You might think you do, but you don’t. Gus claiming accountability in his apology video (which he totally did; he never tried to refute anything) doesn’t actually mean the things he’s trying to take accountability for are being fairly presented or perceived. He literally can’t disprove anything any more than she can prove anything, so all he can do is what he’s been doing. Why we’re still operating under the assumption any of that stuff definitely happened or wasn’t exaggerated baffles me, because at this point her credibility is extremely busted, based on - again - real tangible evidence. So, consider all that before you suggest Gus is a narcissist based on almost purely nothing but the word of a disingenuous person and your own mental gymnastics.

[@ssnguru]

I never said anything about her or her credibility. I never said anything about proof of what happened. I only commented on what Gus said in his "apology video" and how Jimmy described the actions that happened TO Gus as accountability, which I feel are more appropriately defined as punishment simply by the source of the action. Don't put words in my mouth. I pointed out the difference between accountability and punishment. As for not basing my comment about Gus sounding like a victim of fear on tangible evidence? I based it on his own words, "I think that I was so caught up in my own overwhelming fear of what was going on that it made it difficult for me to see through that to really connect and understand her sense of fear." I didn't comment here to start a fight, especially with someone who is going to call me out for things I never even mentioned.

[@DreamItCraftIt]

@@BareBandSubscription You're gonna talk to us about mental gymnastics when thats exactly what you gus supports are doing loolol.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@DreamItCraftIt I don’t need mental gymnastics. I have actual evidence to support my position, most of which is presented in the very video you are commenting on. You do not have the same. Don’t be delusional.

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@ssnguru Your stance was evident by the fact you thought to scrutinize Gus’ apology to the point of diagnosing him a narcissist, as well as imply that Gus might have anything to be held accountable for at all despite the fact there’s no evidence to his behavior but a histrionic testimony and Gus’ own lack of refuting what he cannot disprove, AND in spite of the evidence presented in this video that suggests this is all a smear campaign or ploy for revenge. If you really only meant to define the difference, then I sincerely apologize, but that’s such a pedantic point to make in the first place that I could only assume it was being made by a Gus basher/Sabrina defender or whatever. Me going on about those previous points was basically just me telling you to stop doing mental gymnastics, look at the facts, and realize you have no place scrutinizing his apology to the degree you did. And that quote is such a pathetically weak foundation to suggest he’s victimizing himself or certainly that he’s a narcissist. That’s so desperate. Screw what I said before, you just wanted to think he’s still the bad guy. AND people often do cite punishment as a form of accountability to begin with, so really, you kinda just wanted to speculate the man’s character based on an apology video. Why you’re trying to save face, I don’t know.

[@insanecamo]

Cancel culture is wack dude

[@dalgusmaximus4557]

I'm so glad you called out duncan. He has miss told the gus johnson story twice and in his second video the coward didn't even have the nerve to redact his conspiracy theory of sven having bad motives. The guy's a snake.

[@BareBandSubscription]

He really is the kind of two-faced, insincere garbage that perpetuates situations like this on this platform. He doesn’t deserve his success at all, and I hope he continues to be called out in the future.

[@tarvitsenapua]

thank you omg it is so fucking obvious that she is manipulating