Ableton Live 11 vs Live 12 | Before You Upgrade...

[@kpopbutlofi]

I don't call that an upgrade but an update and it should be free. Live standard to Suite is an upgrade, not live 11 standard to live 12 standard. About the roll just get 'Sculptor' live device and it's free

[@WillHatton]

Good point

[@Phadddy]

Agree

[@kpopbutlofi]

you can always tip them if you want to pay more hahahah, it's not worth it to me, some features are literally needed for years, using it for 10 years it's lacking for a long time, all thanks to max for live devices, there is gold there @moravi7646

[@allancerf9038]

Agree.

[@JuanLopezmusica]

Businesses $$$$

[@khartbeats]

I love Ableton, but I've always secretly wanted FL's piano roll. Definitely excited for the new MIDI tools and Roar looks pretty amazing, as well. Thanks for the insight :)

[@WillHatton]

Right!? Finally caught up!

[@KHNIsTunes]

im using FL Studio inside Ableton. work in both daws until a point where I export all stems from FL to Live. the piano roll with shortcuts in FL I amazing. I love the efficiency in FL for programming beats.

[@squeezyb]

I started in FL and switched over to Ableton relatively recently. The only thing I truly missed about FL was the piano roll. It's finally caught up and I couldn't be happier! The humanize feature is so useful, it's insanely tedious to manually move every single midi note to give it a better feel. So much better to use humanize and move a few notes if needed

[@MosheBenChaim]

So use FL as a plugin like I do. 😁

[@NSW-ye3xw]

For me, V10 was the last worthy upgrade. V11 was really about the release of Push 3. It didn't have any features that were useful for me. Now with V12 being released soon, I feel the same. The £169 (UK) upgrade price is far too expensive for what we are getting. It definitely wasn't worth it for V11 and it most definitely isn't worth it for V12. I really do think Ableton have ran out of ideas. When you compare to the Cubase upgrades, which are half the price of Ableton, and see what you get, Steinberg's price is very reasonable.

[@What-the-meow-meow]

That's the nice thing about FL Studio. You buy it and you get lifetime free updates.

[@TheRealKeetHarris]

same for me I keep looking at these new versions of live but there are no features past the live 10 suite version I have that I would need. it seems like only reason to update if you own there hardware and I own a mpc so im good.

[@Illiyinmusic]

Glad i just bought it a couple days ago on Thomann.. it's $199 for standard, and $433 for suite...plus you get the free upgrade to 12

[@samnene]

I’m more interested about the CPU usage and RAM usage. Hope it’s better than 11

[@WillHatton]

I tested this live on stream! It performed way better

[@allancerf9038]

@@WillHatton That's good to hear. 11 had so many performance issues (verified and a former Ableton employee verified them to me, too) but Ableton said sorry "we can't reproduce." So I bought Bitwig as I'm a professional but don't really like it. I'm hoping 12 fixes all the bugs the made me leave Ableton after 12 long years.

[@thenumbproject]

downloading 12 now. thanks Will.

[@WillHatton]

Happy to help! Currently uploading a "5 best settings" episode if you want to check back in an hour!

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

Great video! I think Live 12 Suite owner upgrade was on sale for $183 instead of $229. I mean that’s still a chunk of change but I think the features are really nice. Especially the mixer being on the arrangement view. I like the generative stuff for drumming too.

[@WillHatton]

For sure, its definitely not cheap but it all depends if you're going to use those new functions!

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

@@WillHatton true…I am 😂

[@Phadddy]

As most people are only going to use a few of the new functions, it is faaaaaaaaar too much. $60-80 would be fair for people who already paid for the Upgrade to 11.

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

@@Phadddy remember Live 11 has been out for 3 years getting updates. $180 is about $60 per year. If Live 12 gets the same 3 years and you don’t know what else is in store in those 3 years.

[@InnerMotionMusic]

Appreciate getting your take on this, Will. Very helpful. Thank you!

[@WillHatton]

Happy to help gang!

[@francisjohnluke]

lots of cool additions i havent seen mentioned anywhere else...!

[@WillHatton]

Appreciate it John!

[@VentureNW]

I like the changes and I think there will be a few more changes, before it drops next year - improvements. Being an excel nerd, I prefer the Live look and feel over other DAWs and I also like less Window popups, when trying to access different things. I also run dual monitors, so I've always had my mix channels open in session view, above my main monitor. FL has done some cool things in their last releases and keep in mind, those are free updates to existing users, which is awesome. If FL could clean up the interface (and I know, some people love it), I might switch over to the dark side. Cubase 13 has been looking interesting too. Being a Windows user, I don't even bother looking at those other two DAWs, you know who you are. I like the Live ecosystem, but its not a cheap one. I've been a Suite user since 9. Lately it feels like my NI stuff is not interfacing as well in Live, so I may opt for a new Push controller soon.

[@WillHatton]

hahaha, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Sounds like you'll dig live 12 dude!

[@VentureNW]

@@WillHatton yep for sure, already signed for the upgrade whenever it drops. I try to be level headed with other DAWs. They all do certain things right and other things very wrong

[@justcox]

The live of a programmer in Berlin is expensive so get out there and buy Live 12 😂

[@nukenoly8751]

Great info. Been testing Beta 12 for a while now and actually prefer 11 😊

[@MediaMusik777]

I feel the same why all though if they offer a Black Friday discount I may pick it up

[@coreymumper2208]

Howdy Will! The generate is pretty goofy, but really excited to jump into and play none the less. I love the new tab feature for M4L devices, gives a direct option for those really groovy devices made out ther! Overall not the largest update, but I am warming up to it, honestly looking forward to all the piano-roll updates :) Make life a bit easier, ohhh cant forget having the view of both session, and arrangement! IT BANGS! lol

[@madfrequencies]

Bought live in 2016 for 600 Dollar. In 2023 Juni Update 199 6 Months later they want again 199 Dollar for 12? What is this ?

[@christianray7470]

Finally a step closer to a library more usable as in Logic and GB, but I still can’t believe that they didn’t add a drummer plug-in like in GB, where you can just choose style, genre, a pattern and most usefully (in my eyes) just press „follow“ and it plays along the track you choose. If this was included I might have understood the price…. Kind of frustrating

[@allancerf9038]

Will Hatton - You made many of the new features in 12 EASY to understand. Suggest everyone use this tutorial in real time. Don't try to memorize what Will said - that never works! When Will demonstrates a new feature, you should then do it immediately in Live 12 in real time. I think moving the BPM to the left, of the screen is a silly move. Sure it works but why retrain our brains for something that worked very well as it was? Is this and all the other features worth 189 for me to upgrade? I doubt it. This really feels like version 11 1/2.

[@WillHatton]

Totally agree with what you said at the bottom there, a lot of this stuff is muscle memory and it does feel like turning the cogs ever so slowly to get back up to speed at where you were at in Live 11. BUT I love to be proven wrong, so maybe I’ll change my opinion when the official launch comes and I’m 6 months in! Thanks so much for the kind words, I’m glad it was easy to digest!

[@allancerf9038]

@@WillHatton The BPM are still available on the right! I don't know if it was added in a new Beta Version but it's back.

[@JayDeeOfficialx]

ima stay with Live 11 for a while, until they bring FL studio piano roll to Ableton! :p

[@airfixx_8952]

Does it cost the same amount to upgrade from v.10 or v.11; or is the price incremental based on what version you are currently running?

[@WillHatton]

I think from V10 and lower will be like buying it new

[@Reggi_Sample]

Il stick with 11 for now

[@helldotsin]

I stopped using Live 11 suite yesterday because I think they are using planned obsolescence with their updates. Since 12 went up, updates have been coming out more than ever, which crashes the software. Yesterday, I was working on a big track. Out of nowhere, everything just froze up or just crawled. I was working with JUST audio files for the first phase. I am now unable to export any audio individually, by channel, or save as a who project without the program crashing and closing. I'm back on FL now. I feel that if I paid the 230 to update, all problems will go away, but there is not much I am looking forward to in the new update.

[@natefialkoff8258]

Thank you!!

[@morizanova]

Is it worth for the price they're asking? Don't get me wrong, those are nice additions. But if you''ve already used and bought lots of Max Devices with Ableton 11 , the upgrade price seems too steep . I hope they offer more and more about mixing solutions ( auto compensate gain in track channe like Volume Buddy) , one click wizard to setup parallel processing, more return track , native unmask freq tool etc

[@djerikfox]

.still no custom key commands...😪

[@midsoulmusic]

really great video as always Will

[@WillHatton]

Thanks Midsoul!

[@railpressureflip]

Excellent video as always, brother! 👊🏽

[@WillHatton]

Appreciate the kind words!

[@Aikisbest]

So...if I basically only use Live for playing and recording the ocassional MIDI keyboard improv session (usually with Analog Lab or Surge XT, and then to play around with arps and sounds and maybe eventually make some sort of track out of it, but dont really use any sort of "theory" functions (apart from like experimenting with filters and effects more than deliberately applying them to get a certain result), am I correct to assume there is no real need for me to upgrade to Live 12 at the moment? Even if the Live 12 Lite version is offered to me for free? Like, is there any performance improvements in Live 12 that Live 11 does not have?

[@wrexony]

If I have Live 11 suite and upgrade to 12 Standard, do I lose the usage of MAx?

[@WillHatton]

Max for live? Not at all

[@Aikisbest]

I only have the Live Lite version of 11 (but saw now when coming back to music making for the first time in forever that I am offered Live Lite 12 for free, but I am really not in the mood to install a whole new version of this and I dont really feel like I need any of the new features, but I was wondering, do you know if 11 will still be updated for bugfixes and stuff or do they just drop it when a new major version is released?

[@RiqiHarawira]

Kia Ora from NZ brother! I have a couple of questions. I currently have Ableton 11 and I'm wondering if I need to pay for an upgrade to version 12. Also, I recently purchased vocal presets from Cedar Sound Studios, but unfortunately, they don't seem to work with Ableton 11. I'm currently in contact with Rys Studios and they have an upgrade I can use for Ableton 11, which would allow me to use their presets. Could you please advise me on what I should do? Thank you!

[@LuciousKage]

ammm MPC Stem Sampling just came out with akai, hows ableton doing ?? oh... well No update for me.

[@biggmt6832]

That's the main feature I want as well! FL has it, Akai has it, Serato has it... They should intergrade it within simpler!

[@animaxiiima]

Great review! Now I know I don't need the update lol. Thanks!!

[@WillHatton]

Happy to help!

[@jonathanbrito9762]

Hey mate. In Live 11 I was able to automate audio clips in the session view. What I mean is I can lower or raise and mute the gain by selecting clip. I don’t see that function in Live 12. How can I enable that? Would appreciate your help. 🙏

[@강준하-r7e]

so is beta the higher version of live suite?

[@delireent.3960]

For now I use Ableton Standard 11 but I'd like to use Suite Is it impossible to upgrade from standard 11 to Suite 11 now?

[@MannyMusick._]

thank you ❤❤❤❤❤

[@Samy_K]

I dont really think that ableton should call this upgrade yo live 12 but it should be an update for live 11. I dont relly think if I need live 12 over live 11.

[@P_BLZ]

Great video Will, :) I am having issues trying to work out how to save tracks to the library. On Live 11 if I wanted to save a track that I had made then all I had to do was to drag it left and save it in a library. When I try to do it on Live 12 Suite I get an explanation mark to say that move isn't possible. This is something I cannot get my head around, please help if anyone can?

[@lucasdonegan449]

Can you upgrade from abelton standard 11 to abelton 12?

[@Enatural_7]

Yes for like $225

[@JeydetaJosen]

@@Enatural_7 that is bonkers.... :D thats right now FL Signature or Producer Version with LIFETIME UPDATES!!!! I love Ableton Im a Ableton guy, but I cant no longer support this...

[@allancerf9038]

@@JeydetaJosen I would not count on EXCLAMATION MARKS LIKE YOURS !!! lifetime updates from any DAW maker forever. Seriously ask FL if they reserve the right to rescind lifetime upgrades. I'm genuinely curious.

[@hey_maurice]

Ugh. I am SO excited. Question: Can you apply labels to nested folders? Like if I have “kicks” and “claps” inside “drums”… do I have to add keywords once or multiple times?

[@allancerf9038]

Great question.

[@FrozenGenius10]

How to put drum one shots in the piano roll?

[@EdwinArvelo-dl4vg]

Thanks for poping up right after i paid almost 200 bucks lol

[@WillHatton]

Happy to help!

[@MkPlayando]

One question, does the file saved in Ableton 11 Lite open in 12 without problems?

[@WillHatton]

Can’t speak on lite but my Ableton 11 projects open in 12, yes

[@sentimentaltrash]

Super useful video thank you!!! I think there’s also possibly some free m4l stuff on the website like granulator 3, no?

[@TeleCS]

Can you upgrade live 11 to live 11 standard. My computer is too old for live 12.

[@WillHatton]

Yes

[@TeleCS]

@@WillHattonwhere can you get it

[@ridrugo182]

"If you're a musician in mostly records your music in via a What keyboard???? A Viro keyboard? Viral Keyboard? Enviro keyboard?

[@WillHatton]

“In via a MIDI keyboard and physical instruments…”

[@ridrugo182]

@@WillHatton Thank you!!

[@spaggtrait1608]

so to update my 11 suite to 12 suite it will cost 199,- Euros? It's not worth it this time, sorry.

[@WillHatton]

You needn't apologise to me 😂

[@spaggtrait1608]

@@WillHatton Obviously I'm not, I'm making a statement. Weird that you didn't get that.

[@JayKaye_v1]

The main man!

[@ameer6168]

I am still using ableton 10. is ableton 11 stable now? last time i check it. it was using too much resources

[@bostjanmeh813]

11 here. CPU usage is really bad. It's allarming when you have multiple izotopes slates pluhin on. Unusable. I switched back to Studio one.

[@allancerf9038]

DEFINITELY not stable for many Windows users.

[@JuanLopezmusica]

The good thing about 11 it’s saving your own templates

[@NicosNGames]

Wow great video! Thanks, new subscriber

[@WillHatton]

Thanks for the kind words, welcome aboard!

[@gitarman666]

Waiting for 13

[@JRyan29jrs]

i have live 11 lite version,. its can update automaticaly to 12 or i need download 12 manualy?

[@WillHatton]

You’d need to buy 12

[@JRyan29jrs]

@@WillHatton ah its ok, i download 12 lite manualy, and login to my account its unlocked as live 12 lite now, i though its get update automaticly to 12 lite, but its not, i need download it manualy.

[@vincerooney2445]

They are screwing a lot of users by making the minimum requirements BigSur or above. I’m running a 12core mac pro on Mojave because it runs native intel code instead of Rosetta. Apple keeps breaking shit with all new OS releases and I’m not breaking my tuned workstation to upgrade to Live12 because they chose the shiny new thing of M series processors. You don’t need to keep updating Unix operating systems every year which just bloats things.

[@karl9411]

Nope not worth the upgrade ,get it together Ableton this isn't an upgrade its a slight amendment that should be free .Beware your loosing clients to other daws

[@WillHatton]

… I am not Ableton 😅

[@samgoogle857]

top comparison

[@WillHatton]

Thanks Sam!

[@dandelladf]

11 > 12 because TAGS !!!!! 😂😂

[@WillHatton]

RIGHT!?

[@sloboz8787]

Master is called Main. wtf !

[@megan8494]

me still waitiing for them to change the interface aesthetic 🤦‍♀

[@WillHatton]

Oh, wait you don't like grey on grey on grey on grey?

[@megan8494]

@@WillHatton lol i dont mind that but...looking like we are in the 80s not so much =p

[@WillHatton]

@@megan8494 😂

[@tonyreno4130]

Do you have to delete 11 to install 12?

[@WillHatton]

Good question, no, I kept 10 when I got 11 and I have 11 now I have the 12 beta, it’ll be a separate programme

[@tonyreno4130]

Excellent 😀👍🏼

[@cecilia_mackie]

That's amazing! Let's stay in touch.

[@tobytodelafontena]

I would not understand why a user of Live would not upgrade sooner or later to Live 12. Considering that the upgrade price is low as Ableton is not making new Live versions every year, and that they did not instore a fanboy yearly tax... oops sorry I wanted to say: a Bitwig Studio Upgrade plan to pay every 12 months. There are really considerable improvements in this version that are worth the upgrade, word of a Beta tester.

[@user-th6rh8zp3t]

this update is an insult to ableton's customers

[@allancerf9038]

In what way? Not enough features, OR wrong features OR do you mean it should be a freebie? Or 'all?'

[@frattuncbas]

Very expensive as always.

[@cecilia_mackie]

Love it! Let’s connect?