I Asked Massad Ayoob About Saying Nothing

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[@lostpyper6973]

I love his final point. Carrying doesn’t make you a Superman. If your head isn’t in the right place, and you can’t control your emotions under stress, you are potentially a danger to yourself and others. Keeping cool can keep you from even having to “defend your actions “

[@guitchess]

In short, the brief fight for your life with your weapon won't be nearly as scary, dangerous, or drawn out as the following battle. You took them out of the loop by protecting yourself. So they now have to punish you with their unlimited resources.

[@s0nnyburnett]

Gunfight was just the warmup for the real arena of legal quagmire.

[@bearly1727]

Sad but true in most cases. Generally NOT where I live though.

[@bodozier6952]

Just like hunting, the work starts after the shots are fired

[@texasbeast239]

You have to have that same fighting instinct about more than just the violent incident. Self-righteous indignation. Determination not to go down like a wuss, because you were not the bad guy.

[@georgealicea2978]

So let me get this straight. You kill a perp who has a history of robbery & other crimes, and now they want to make you the criminal. Sounds like they trying to railroad you and make themselves look like heroes, by framing you. That's why you say nothing, except" where the fock is my lawyer"

[@beagles70]

After listening to all this--Now i can understand why lawyers advise saying nothing until you speak to lawyer. Simple.

[@elmospasco5558]

You got folks up in Linesville, PA?

[@MrEazyE357]

You didn't get it before? I'm hoping you're a kid or something.

[@tacattac534]

In reply to Jeff Beagle: YEP!

[@mikehascats26]

there is NO advantage to talking to cops. shut up and lawyer up

[@matterbob5x]

@@mikehascats26 There is an advantage, but you have to be careful what you say..

[@pbp6741]

1. Establish the active dynamic 2. Reinforce active dynamic: I will testify against him 3. Point out evidence 4. Point out witnesses 5. Officer, you will have my full cooperation after I’ve spoken with counsel

[@shane727]

This should be pinned

[@lucasoparowski6911]

I think rather than I will fully cooperate say that is my only statement until I speak with counsel

[@PlanktoniusRex]

I understand the list he gave and agree but have a question: what if several or even one of the witnesses you point out are friends of the perp? I mean if witnesses lie to damage your case that cant be good. Just for discussion...should there be guidelines for what one should think about before pointing out a witness?

[@2bituser569]

Char Char Binks To fully cooperate does not mean you incriminate yourself.

[@Morggin]

@@PlanktoniusRex That witness is going to testify against you anyway. Better to point him out where he stands and it will be recorded in the officers duty camera so he doesn't come back and say he was someplace else on the scene.

[@BellDavidE]

Thanks for recording this! People will agree or disagree and each will have to make that personal decision, but I applaud you for having Ayoob defend his position.

[@soujrnr]

Massad is the MAN! I love to listen to his instructions on things. Talk about real-world smarts; he's the epitome of that in the world of carrying a weapon and such. Thank you, John, for this great interview. This is great information to know!!

[@franksaxton3583]

I am former Military and have held a CHL in numerous States for most of my life. I am now 75 years old. I train often and it is very high quality training. I am also a motorcycle Biker and frequently go to seminars to learn how to interact with police during traffic stops. I've also attended a few "adjudicator" training courses where you experience real life examples of shoot/no-shoot situations. Still, having to shoot someone in civilian life and dealing with the aftermath is something I don't look forward to. This was a very valuable video for me and I wish all my NRA course participants spent time watching clips like these. Great job and thanks!

[@mason3307]

"Anything you say can and will be used AGAINST you." Not for you. Also Being mute does not envoke your fifth amendment. You must state you envoke it.

[@timothyclyne]

Even invoking your 5th, you answer ANY questioning afterwards, you reliquished your 5th protections for that line of questioning. Those answers are admissible. God help you, if it's the questioning officers hand written notes of what you 'said'.

[@RealDapperDude]

Thirty years Los Angeles DA: It's not enough to say I"m invoking the 5th. You must say, "I want my lawyer present before answering any questions". The interrogation must stop. Any continued questioning that gets a response is inadmissible.

[@timothyclyne]

Bravo Being mute is admissible if you have not invoked your rights.

[@timothyclyne]

Bravo Being mute is admissible if you have not invoked your rights. www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/salinas-v-texas/

[@timothyclyne]

@Tom Gulbranson you are wrong. Mason is correct. You must invoke your right to remain silent. www.justia.com/criminal/procedure/miranda-rights/right-to-silence/ You are wrong. And likewise wrong to use appeal to authority argument, which is a fallacious argument en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

[@calvinlong1265]

What I was told to say, "I'm going to cooperate, but I want my attorney present before I answer any questions".

[@calvinlong1265]

@bali song thanks!

[@randallwebber9781]

The back of the uscca card has those exact steps in order, and after I've followed those I will repeat the last step over and over...."Officer I will cooperate 100% but first I need my attorney" SILENCE.

[@Numguk]

I wouldn't even bother saying you'll cooperate, as now you're making promises you don't intend to keep.

[@JoshuaFinancialPL]

unfortunately it seems like perpetrators have more rights than victims in our justice system. i'll take my chances being silent and talking with my attorney first.

[@gregfalco4528]

Well the perp is already dead, and the cops want someone to arrest. Cops LOVE arresting people.

[@mihaeltomasovic]

@@Morggin You have never been in a physically demanding situation like that, have you, my friend? Have you ever been in combat or even something like a fist fight or something? Do you remember how you felt after that and can you even remember how you felt during? By saying "of sound mind" - I think the gentleman was merely saying relaxed and calm. I agree, though, that not being "of sound mind" does sound bad, though. I think the person put it wrong, my friend, but just consider that.

[@Morggin]

@@mihaeltomasovic to answer your question. Yes, I have and all I have to say is when things get hard, be hard.

[@mihaeltomasovic]

@@Morggin Just out of curiosity - you don't notice your entire sympathetic nervous system going crazy in those times? The adrenaline doesn't make you say or do some things that you might not in regular circumstances? I just think perhaps some are effected this way, so if it applies to them, it might be good to do their best to remember to stick only with what was said in the video there. For folks like yourself, I don't think you would have to worry about it. I am a combat vet, but I never got used to it or comfortable, so I better try to keep the advice if possible as well lol. Anyhow, nice having the chance of discussing this with you. Have a great day :) . .

[@shawnr771]

@Fafhrd 2 A few years ago the Virginia State Police pulled a guy over who had several rifles, shotguns, pistols, ammo, a knife and a map of Washington D.C. with an X on the White House. After seeing all of this the cops said "Yup you are good to go" Two weeks later the guy drove to the White House. Left behind everything but the knife. Jumped the fence ran across the grounds, entered the front door, knocked the Secret Service agent at the door down and ran around inside the White House for a little while.

[@RandomSpaceMonkeys]

Anything you say can and WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of law. And we all know how honest our court systems is.

[@jonb2046]

This is certainly true. You have to balance that with "How bad can the responding officer make this for you if you piss him off by being rude?" The more I learn the more questions I have.

[@conorfoster2337]

That's exactly why you need to be able to articulate the situation. Silence will be used against you as well.

[@RandomSpaceMonkeys]

@@papimaximus95 Cops are not your friend. Law enforcement officers, are enforcers. Speaking to LEO's is likely going to be frustrating and not diplomatic. Talking to armed enforcers who are confrontational ( the nature of their occupation ) and trained to be aggressive, and not trained to be diplomatic could escalate the situation. They have disarmed you and you are not able to protect yourself. They will shoot you if you say the wrong thing, or get frustrated.

[@RandomSpaceMonkeys]

@Mary Smith let me guess... you subscribe to the theory that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. A notion that encourages the dismal of civil rights.

[@Wr3ckZ]

@@conorfoster2337 A lawyer can defend your silence, easier than your mistaken admission of guilt.

[@timothysherrange]

You should have a round table discussion on this topic with Massad, Marc, and Terry.

[@ASPextra]

It would be awesome but it’s hard to get them all together.

[@timothysherrange]

@@ASPextra For sure. Maybe a video call?

[@beefyoso]

@@timothysherrange not enough money.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad is a retired police officer...

[@Markomyt1]

@@ASPextra ZOOM it Brother!

[@Uberragen21]

Just remember: The police are _NOT_ your friends when they arrive on scene. They are _NOT_ there to congratulate you on a good defensive shoot. They are _NOT_ going to take your word as the _truth_ . (Psst, criminals lie...) They _ARE_ trained in manipulating people into a potentially bad statement (it helps their case). They _ARE_ there to investigate a crime, of which you appear to be the perpetrator. They _ARE_ going to arrest you regardless of how perfectly within the law your self defense shooting was. There are exceptions of course, but be prepared to go in handcuffs. Lawyer up and shut up. If you say anything it needs to be VERY SIMPLE. "He attacked me." "I feared for my life and I defended myself and family." "I need time to process what happened." "I WILL help with your investigation, but I MUST speak with a lawyer first." I think that was along the lines of what Ayoob said, but he drug it out in more detail than I would ever do. The more you add to the equation, the more complex it becomes, and the greater the chance something potentially incriminating is said. I'm certainly not an expert, but I have worked in the CJ field for a few years...and I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night. 😉

[@drewe9514]

Coming from a family of lawyers, more likes on this comment!

[@developingdaddy]

I agree with your comment. The only part I ask for clarification on is if cops are trained to manipulate you into a "bad statement." If by bad you mean INCRIMINATING and FACTUALLY CORRECT then I'll agree. But it's of no use to anyone to coerce false statements.

[@johnbravo1034]

Good info👍

[@johnbravo1034]

gwolff but some do coerce false statements. Read “You Have the Right to Remain Innocent”.

The only thing I disagree with is "I WILL help with your investigation..." You should in NO WAY help the police with their investigation (regardless of 100% justification), and here's why: Ya know that little bit in the Miranda warnings that says, "Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of law?" Well, guess what? The opposite is equally as true: "Anything you say CANNOT and WILL NOT be used FOR you in a court of law." The cops work for the State, the prosecution. Everything their investigation uncovers can only be used against you in court. If the cops find irrefutable evidence that the shoot was completely justified, but the DA disagrees and decides to prosecute you anyway, that evidence will be quashed and never heard in court, I promise you! That piece of shit DA will never allow that evidence to enter the record because he/she has made up his/her mind to get a conviction, and fuck the facts, folks! Lawyer up and shut up!! Repeat it until you believe it!

[@gscop1683]

I know it is tough to do in a short video, but one issue with the "limited statement" given to responding officers is That You Cannot Stop The Officer's Questions while you are giving your story.....and I think that is why a lot of good defense attorneys counsel for you to say nothing. Telling a story to officials is a Learned Skill Set. Thanks For Your Great Work !

[@chasen62]

Just remember- This is advice from someone with a LAW ENFORCEMENT background.. Remember a large part of their job is devoted to EXTRACTING information from people to be used AGAINST (their words) them. To hear both sides, make sure you listen to LEGAL experts that are faced with defending/prosecuting people every day.

[@giii7599]

Never say a word to cops. EVER. The cops today simply cannot be trusted. Law Enforcement isn't what it once was.

[@mrdclark2003]

Exactly!!!

[@gmcjetpilot]

You think Massad is trying to trick you? Ha ha. He is a highly respected expert in self-defense and a professional witness and you know more than he does? What he's saying is besides saying " I fear for my life so I shot him" you should go a little bit beyond that if appropriate. Like they were breaking down my door, there were two of them and one got away. Then you say I'm not going to speak anymore. I'm in shock but later I will fully cooperate. If you play belligerent and the one got away goes to Police and says you murdered his friend, that is the narrative and you stay silent? Get your story out then shut up.

[@chasen62]

@@gmcjetpilot trying to decipher your English but yes, I am saying he is (admittedly) not a legal expert and his advice should be taken as such ..

[@robertvondarth1730]

Correct

[@bungalowmo]

WOW!!! This was really great to know. Good things to help, should the circumstances arise. Not too much, but just some main points to let the cops know of your intent to assist, but also not more than they need to hear, or more than you need to say. I've been keeping a binder of key things learned here on Extra, and ASP original. I hear it, I write it, I say it out loud. It helps me retain info.

[@Wr3ckZ]

As much as I honor and respect Mr Ayoob's knowledge, and experience, My lawyer, (a former sheriff), has explained to me, that even the police don't make their documented statements for up to two weeks after a shooting. And they get coached on how to 'articulate' everything. His response and training for me has been: "be polite, but simply state you want to press charges, then politely explain you'll be glad to answer any further questions under counsel. ... Then shut up." Let me add this: I'm a union steward, and I've had to 'represent' workers at my job much the sane way. And even WE coach people to simply request their Weingarten rights, and shut up too. I too, have personal experience with people innocently saying even ONE fact that the investigator/supervisor tried to twist, making my job harder. I can defend a lack of words, and politeness, more times than not, than a missed/botched detail later. And... we all know how conveniently shoddy those body cams are. Anyways, I'll take my risks with being quiet, over trusting an officer to do his job right/working in my favor. "It's his job, but my right."

[@Athonite]

Thanks for the counterpoints.

[@danni1993]

I agree. I've watched videos of Officers, Lawyers, and Judges getting pulled over and they don't say anything. Even when they get pulled over for driving intoxicated, most often, they will refuse a breathalyzer or take a field sobriety test. Do they know something we don't know? I want to know why they refuse. If a Defence Attorney says "don't talk"...I will listen to him.

[@kys00ner1]

Anyone that’s ever been questioned/interrogated knows not to say a word.

[@hav2win]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 What a fking ignorant statement. Why would he be invited for an interview? And why would people be impressed that he took the time to give his opinion. You're the one who's the blowhard.

[@Uberragen21]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 I wouldn't say he is a _blowhard with zero credibility_ . That's somewhat inaccurate to say. If you said he was an expert in shooting techniques, but not legal stuff surrounding the aftermath of a shooting. You would be more accurate. Ayoob isn't a lawyer, he's a shooting expert. His advice was questionable. The more you talk, the more you incriminate yourself...even if you didn't do anything wrong. That's where I disagreed with his assessment of dealing with law enforcement after a shooting. He had some points that made sense on the surface, but I still would relay that information through a lawyer.

[@freedomluvr5126]

Massad Ayoob is an expert on guns and gun fighting and I will listen to every word he says on that subject. Period. But I will not listen to legal advice from someone who has never defended a shooting case in court. How many attorneys have you heard that said, "I could have gotten him off if he had kept his mouth shut!" A non-attorney cannot know what things will be taken out of context and twisted to be used against you by an ambitious DA. Do you trust police to remember exactly what you said and how you said it? And the most important of all, TALKING TO THE POLICE CAN'T HELP YOU! Nothing you say can be used FOR you in court! It's all hearsay! And who does he think he is, saying that somebody who panics after a gun fight should not be carrying a gun? I wouldn't want to know somebody who WASN'T shaken up after a gun fight.

[@ASPextra]

Mas is a court appointed expert witness who has been on litigation team for hundreds of actual litigations and helped hundreds of real people defend their life in court.

[@freedomluvr5126]

@@ASPextra That's interesting to know, but he is an expert witness, not an attorney. Big difference.

[@Morggin]

@@thebubbacontinuum2645 so ... you're a lawyer. How much did your law school teach you specifically about "Deadly Force law"? Did they teach you about the doctrine of competing harms/doctrine of necessity? Are you familiar with the concept of "An Affirmative Defense"? I suggest you take one of LFI courses. Massad will teach more about deadly force than you will ever learn at law school.

[@marctrundle1416]

@@ASPextra Are you also aware that he has been impeached on the witness stand while testifying in court as a witness? He was made a fool of while involved in court room testimony against the FBI years ago. Many of his articles written for the gun rags, "The Ayoob Files", were largely fabricated and less than factual. This plus his self enamored behavior of which I am personally aware of, leave me less than impressed. He does do a great job of marketing himself though!

[@Rubycon99]

@@marctrundle1416 Where can I read about this case? I read "FBI" and immediately think "scumbags", but I'd be interested in knowing the whole story.

[@RaineyPowerTraining]

I understand where Massad's thought process is coming from. Though in actual practice the likelihood of someone saying what he recommended versus self incriminating themselves seems to be very risky. You are already in compromised mental state after a shooting, yet you have the ability to coherently explain the situation rationally? I think very few people would be able to do so safely, without incriminating themselves. I think it's best to say nothing.

[@danduran4981]

Agreed. You are more likely to say something that will be detrimental to your case then helpful. We are not lawyers and certainly not competent to navigate the legal realm of giving a statement or answering questions without counsel.

[@musicman1eanda]

A conversation between attorney Marc Victor and Ayoob would be fantastic!

[@romans6two338]

That would be an extremely useful briefing.

[@noneyour2461]

Thanks John for going straight to the well for this lifesaving drink of knowledge. Massad brings not only years of experience but also common sense to help us all better cover our ASP

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

Love to hear more from Mr Ayoob!!

[@Edgy01]

Thanks for uploading this for us to see. Another issue that wasn't discussed is obvious to us, but just not covered. Your concealed carry permit. CCW permit holders are some of the most lawful citizens in the country. They break the laws LESS than LE. The arriving LE personnel need to be told, and reinforced, that you have a lawful concealed weapon, and that you had a serious threat and you had to deal with it. You will cooperate in any way necessary, but wish to seek guidance from your attorney.

[@stanleysourelis5104]

I really like the concise statement you advise someone to make.

[@Ericktrivedipa]

As an attorney, its to hard to give advice that at least keeps all your defenses open wo knowing a specific fact pattern. For example, if the government can’t make its case, then saying nothing is the right answer. Personally, if I were in a defensive situation, it would be important for the police to know you were afraid and took the most reasonable course of action you could come up with. Ayoob knows what he’s doing but I don’t think this advice can be applied universally.

[@ASPextra]

I think he gives principles and not a script, and for that, I think it has value.

[@travelinman482]

@@ASPextra Why are y’all at a church talking about guns?

[@Vergoso_42]

@@travelinman482 why not?

[@travelinman482]

@@Vergoso_42 Um, Jesus was against ‘living by the sword’ (aka the modern day AR rifle).

[@travelinman482]

@What saith the scripture? Keep lying to yourself.

[@shane727]

What are cops told to do when they're involved in a shooting? I think we should do that.

[@Scientist_Salarian]

They ask for their union rep. Police Unions are far more powerful and connected than defense attorneys, unfortunately.

[@JK-vc7ie]

@@Scientist_Salarian Fortunately, not unfortunately. Cops risk it all for us for very little money. They deserve more.

[@parler8698]

Public pressure gets them fired for no reason.

[@johnbyrne1022]

It's a good starting point, but there is one big difference between them and you: their colleagues are *not trying* to get them locked up. They're trying to find ways to get them off the hook. .So all they have to do is avoid saying anything incriminating, and it will generally be interpreted in the most favorable light. You can't assume that they'll interpret your actions in the same light.

[@psychodadandjfit3974]

@J K. WRONG. Their job isn’t even in the top ten if dangerous jobs. They should be held to the highest standards. They should be severely punished for indiscretions. You’re either a cop or very naive.

[@JamesJamersonIsAGod]

I think Mass is telling us what he would do and framing it as what we should do. I don't think he realizes the difference between us and him. The guy is a professional orator with many decades of experience as an expert witness, firearms instructor, and police officer. He's well spoken, and extremely seasoned and intelligent. But as humans we are terrible judges of other people's knowledge versus our own, and this is a blindspot for everyone, including him. He is pulling from experience of particular cases he was involved with and thinking "ahh it would have been easier for this guy if he had done xyz at the scene!" but then not ALSO thinking about "hmmm, what if he talked more and said THIS, then he'd be FUGGED". You can be cooperative without saying a darn thing, don't be belligerent with the cops, listen to their verbal commands and enjoy your free ride downtown for questioning with consul present.

[@klaykid117]

All he has to do is show his badge to get off a self defense charge

[@MegaMAWG]

My CCL instructor said the process begins with the 911 call. Anything you say to them can also be used against you. Just tell them there's been a firearm incident, please send police. Call your attorney while they're in route, and if your attorney has a call service, don't say anything to them because they are not protected by attorney/client privilege. If you can get your attorney on the phone before police arrive, he/she can guide you exactly what to say or not say.

[@zerohero6602]

Solid advice

[@jessicagrecco5813]

Fantastic advice indeed

[@TristanRivers-lz4wv]

And your attorney will tell you to invoke the 5th and say nothing every single time.

[@mynamesnotimportant6941]

I feel like if you got your lawyer friends together with this guy, they could take the good ideas of each side, and join them together to make one great idea. xD

[@phillhuddleston9445]

I would like to see a healthy debate about this subject between the lawyers and Massad since their recommendations are different.

[@CallsItLikeISeizeIts]

What he says is golden, you can be silent like every guy in hood. If you don’t talk to some extent, others wil for you.

[@justins8802]

Lawyers want you to be silent since it guarantees you will need their very expensive services. With Mas’s suggestion, you may avoid all suspicion and never need a lawyer, unless the family decides to sue you.

[@Dmanz67]

There is 1 great idea. Say nothing without your lawyer.

[@shannonamos6303]

@@justins8802 That is why anyone that carries needs USCCA insurance. In my State, if you use a firearm (even in self defense) you will be arrested and charged with murder/attempted murder. Then they let your attorney's hash it out in court.

[@dddutuber1]

Well done for going back to Mas for his differing take on the matter vis-a-vis that of Marc Victor. You have dispassionately allowed two thoughtful, articulate, if opposing, view points to be compared and contrasted.

[@elgato7134]

Great content. I train with a five-time champion for SASS, and his advice is very similar. Cooperate with the officer on scene. Your statement should be: 'I was forced to shoot because...' Point out evidence on scene. Make no further comments. Great advice.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob is a police officer.

[@jimbopurple2652]

Make it as easy as possible for your lawyer say nothing.

[@D_A-G]

He is right in the specific contexts that he’s clarified.

[@codemonkeymojo]

I disagree with Massad on this. The Police don't decide your fate. The Prosecutor, Judge and Jury do. IMO you're better off lawyering up than saying something to convince the Police on scene you're innocent. It's not really their opinion that matters. By saying things to them you could hurt the opinions of those people who DO matter.

[@rockslide4802]

Excellent advice from people who know that they are talking about. Thanks Mass!

[@bstimy]

I’ll follow legal advice

[@petergunn1701]

So you're calling your attorney before you call 911?

[@bstimy]

Peter Mahoney um, no. The legal advice I’ve been given is call 911 first. Tell them certain needed info, hang up. Call attorney.

[@immikeurnot]

@@petergunn1701 As Ben said, immediately after.

[@rcvtacticalandfirearmsinst9107]

1). Call 911- it’s recording while ringing - keep your mouth shut 2). Once they answer - give name -location - you were ATTACKED - Yiunwere FORCED to defend yourself- you need 2 ambulances (minimum- 1 for you and 1 for bad guy) - you need the police - HANG UP if safe to do so - immediately call your attorney 3) once police arrive - ID yourself - If firearm is used advise what direction you fired- that way they can make sure no innocents have been hit and need medical attention. 4) politely advise them that you will be more than happy to cooperate with investigation and answer any and all questions......once you have met with your attorney - INVOKE YOUR RIGHTS!! Everyone has the right to remain silent most don’t have the ability. It’s a natural reaction to explain or defend their actions. This is NOT the time or place for that.

[@blackriflemensorganization6139]

The legend! Much respect to Mr. Ayoob!

[@Official_Dadoo]

1) Prosecutor not gonna badger me on the stand unless my lawyer wants him to. 2) According to Marc (Attorneys for Freedom on your channel) if the prosecution does try to imply that I’m guilty to the jury for seeking council, then the charges could be dropped. I’d like to see this guy watch Marcs video on your channel and tell us what he disagrees with. This guy is recommending the use verbal judo on the police at the scene of a homicide where I’m the suspect. No thank you. I’ll play the long game.

[@seankennedy4284]

Verbal judo, indeed. I don't understand why this advice. Seems he's trying to have a trial right then and there.

[@gmcjetpilot]

Have you changed your opinion since Kyle Rittenhouse trial? You assumed the DEA in the prosecutor are super friendly to 2nd Amendment folks killing criminals and self-defense? That's a foolish promise.

[@franksummerlin3422]

ANYTHING you say CAN & WILL be used AGAINST you.

[@mlee81]

I do know this. Detectives are trained at interrogation which includes manipulative tactics. As the shooter, you are the primary suspect. Their primary motivation is getting a conviction which may or not lead to the truth. They can lie about having 'evidence' to scare you into making a false statement and saying something stupid that isn't even true. Agreed to be the first one to call 911, mention there's been a defensive shooting, and fully comply with getting arrested having the gun on the ground and hands in the air upon arrival. Probably after an incident, there will be too many emotions to say anything calculated. Just let them know you want to execute the right to remain silent and need representation from an attorney. Being 'cooperative' doesn't mean blabbing away to them and exerting your right to counsel doesn't make you guilty. My thoughts on this anyways.

[@bonitawauls6274]

Thank you, sir, for your help. Immensely appreciate it. I would have been one of the EMS with the guerney and ambo attempting to help the injured. Sorry.

[@BackPackHack]

I don't see anything in a Miranda script about anything you say will be used for your defense. It's called a Miranda WARNING for a reason.

[@Morggin]

@ maybe you haven't seen that cops now have to wear a body camera.

[@Morggin]

@ so are you intimately familiar with the use of force laws then? What's your stance on Affirmative defense as it relates to the use of force shootings? Have you also heard of the doctrine of competing harms or the doctrine of necessity? (they are the same thing just different terms used in different states). Are you familiar with the Bernhard Getz case? I believe as many others do that Bernhard Getz's biggest mistake is going to a guilty man's lawyer. A lawyer that is famous for getting guilty men off the hook. I honestly believe it's because of his choice of lawyers that Bernhard had to spend almost a year on Rikers Island.

[@richb.4374]

Exactly! They tell you anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law. The deck is already stacked against you before you even go to court.

[@GS-cx6hv]

@@richb.4374 the word you should have highlighted is against.........notice nothing about anything you say might help you? That's cause it won't

[@monzudihungadowski2161]

Bob, I am glad to see you with Massad Ayoob. I have trusted him for a few decades.

[@rogeryarnell1826]

I know that cops don't say anything until they talk to counsel, sometimes days later. But they will also have every cop for miles around coming to the scene gathering evidence on their behalf and working from the assumption that they are the good guy.

[@rogeryarnell1826]

@Scott Allen that's what I meant. I agree with Ayoob's points. The cops have a lot going for them before the investigation begins. They are assumed to be the good guy before the first investigator arrives on scene. Regular citizens don't get the same benefit.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob is a police officer.

[@carrabellicusp]

Mass was my teacher in the 80s when I had a carry permit in NYC just had it not renewed last year This man is an Icon in the world of self defense my courses at LFI were invaluable but in those days there was one criteria for self defense and Mass always said so many are in jail because they didn’t respect the Avoidably aspect of the statute an essential ingredient to a sane self defense law leave it to Florida and others to remove the avoidably aspect of the law Stand your ground means goad someone into an act that qualifies as worthy of deadly force and use it what a perversion of self defense this is thanks Mass for making this so obvious to me

[@lonwoock9881]

Don’t talk to police without an attorney.

[@Trail-of-dead]

Don’t talk to police even with your lawyer, let them do their job

[@adamchurvis1]

@@Trail-of-dead Wisest words yet, Trail of Dead. Bravo!

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob is a police officer.

[@jondavidivey]

@@Trail-of-dead Absolutely right. I've had expert witnesses like him who have been around so many lawyers they start thinking they know as much or more than a lawyer. Get a good experienced lawyer and let them do their job.

[@tad3900]

Great advice. Training doesn't end with a trigger pull. There's a whole process to be familiar with including the after action. The fight does not end until there's a final legal decision.

[@thomasjensen6243]

Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.

[@heathersullivan7294]

As a woman I really appreciate your videos, I’ve been wanting to get a concealed carry license, but need training before I feel comfortable carrying. I have learned so much from you, I’m looking forward to more hands on training, but in the meantime I’ll be watching all ads to show my support of all the effort you put into your videos :) Thank you so much!!

[@jammasterjay]

You’re never in less trouble than you are BEFORE you start talking.

[@ASPextra]

That's not a bad ethic, actually.

[@candyman__87]

This was one of the biggest takeaways I had from Mas' MAG20 - Armed Citizen’s Rules of Engagement course. Highly recommended for anyone who carries a gun!

[@daromee]

Proving self defence ! 1. I saw an armed individual who represented an immediate danger the my life .There is no other way that I can protect myself or the people around me (and assuming that law enforcement is not on the scene) except use a weapon which is in my possession . 2. I saw a clear path to neutralize the threat without hurting anyone else 3. I drew my loaded weapon while shouting a verbal warning 4. I aimed to neutralize the threat again making sure there is no one else that can be harmed 5. I fired my weapon once so as to neutralize the threat ( assuming that the threat didn't surrender in a split second) 6 Once the threat is neutralized , I engage the safety of my weapon and observe if there are any injured from the threats actions . 7 Give assistance to injured parties if any exist while waiting for law enforcement to arrive and take control of the situation. 8 Surrender your weapon to law enforcement and repeat the essential parts of the above order of events to the initial officers on scene and in later investigations . 9. Make sure your recount of the events is accurate and repeat the same details to every law enforcement or court which asks you to repeat the order of events . 10 Never but never change your story even if the law enforcement personel try and force you to do that . 11. Practice makes perfect . Verbally you should be repeating this sequence of events ever since you got your weapon from the store/armory .Know this sequence by heart and be able to repeat it in the middle of the night Now you guess where I learned this song .

[@macEboy]

More Mass!!! please. So much to learn from him. A great teacher. Thanks

[@Gladiator0719]

Civilians are not Leo's, they are under no obligation to make a public safety statement concerning the shooting. Exercise your right to remain silent until you've talked with your attorney. Massad is giving you what the police want to encounter and what they'd like to hear when arriving at the scene. It does not benefit the shooter in anyway, first impressions be dammed. The crime scene is not the court and the ofcrs are not the DA/ Judge and or Jury. They cannot and will not adjudicate anything there. The detectives will investigate, submit the facts, void of personal opinions to the DA or CA for further action. Remain silent, short of identifying yourself, the serialized firearm will more than likely be registered to the shooter if required by their home state.

[@doubleasblog]

Some people just want to do things the hard way and hope for the best. You just need to make sure that the facts present to you in the fractions of a second at the moment of the incident are equally clear to investigators or else... You get stuck with what everyone else says.

[@jameswoods1804]

Hey John, when/where were you in Navy? Nuke EM (SS) here

[@luckybassturd7260]

So don’t tell the officer about the security camera that clearly captured event , just wait until you see lawyer & the video is looped over? & never tell officer where perp threw his weapon/mask or other evidence, wait to tel lawyer 48 hours later?

[@dukeman7595]

"void of personal opinions" That is not even remotely true, there will be personal observations about the shooter, including his demeanor, state of mind willingness to cooperate etc. etc. .

[@gregb6469]

If you are uncooperative when the cops arrive, you can be sure you will leave the scene in cuffs in the back of the paddy wagon. If you are friendly and cooperative, it's possible that you will be released on your own recognizance, and asked to come in later to make a statement.

[@nimo517]

WOW WHAT A GREAT TOPIC!! IM YELLING SO HOPEFULLY YOU SEE THIS BETTER!! HE TALKS SO MUCH ABOUT THE SAME THINGS BUT THIS IS GREAT

[@havocproltd]

I've been seeing Mr. Ayoob's name in magazines for decades! This is the first time I've ever seen his face and heard him speak! The man is a legend! Thank you, Sir!

[@NHlocal]

Thank you Mas and John for sharing this video. I say ditto!!! to a few of the other comments on (somehow) getting Mas, Terry and Marc all together for a conversation on this subject. That would be a great video! Thank you again Mas and John! 😃👍 Keep yourselves safe! Randy

[@popeye1250]

Massad Ayoob wrote a great book some years back, "In the Gravest Extreme."

[@rhoonah5849]

I read that book many years ago. It was excellent.

[@allthingsharbor]

Been there, done that. In 1980, I was involved in a violent incident wherein I was attacked, and I defended myself. My assailant needed medical attention when I finished with him. I made certain I was the first to contact law enforcement, and when they arrived, I gave a brief statement of the incident, looked the officer in the eyes, and asked, " What can I do to help you get this monster off the streets?" Nothing really came of it all, but the incident report did indicate that I was the victim and no one went to jail. A friend chastised me, telling me that I should never have spoken to the officers without a lawyer present ! Three years later, this same friend was involved in a similar incident. He, however, did not contact authorities. His assailant did, claiming victimhood. When the authorities arrived, my friend refused to speak to them. My friend was later arrested, what with having been charged for assault and battery over the matter, and he served a short stent in the county jail. Being his friend, THIS TIME I did not say anything. LoL

[@leehoffman4580]

The problem with revealing some information is that it jeopardizes your right to say nothing. You have a right to say nothing, but even in a courtroom or grand jury hearing you must invoke your right not to incriminate yourself immediately and at the outset. Then it is up to the judge to provide you with immunity so that you can testify without fear of prosecution. The ONLY information you should reveal at a shooting is to inform the investigating officer of any individuals at large who may be armed as a result of your incident. Then invoke your right to speak to counsel. It is not an investigating officers decision to prosecute. It is the prosecutors. When you begin to speak about the incident, you invite the investigating officer to continue to question you, which gives you a chance to say the wrong thing. It is far more difficult for your defense counsel to undo something you said, than to explain to a jury why you invoked your right to speak to counsel. In a high stress time recalling your exact story later is extremely difficult and any discrepancy in the statements made at the scene and then changed later will get you convicted.

[@katf5222]

The difference between Mas and everyone else (pretty much) is that he's talking as someone who has been on BOTH SIDES-the shooter and the cop. His advice both protects your rights AND keeps you from immediately alienating the police. If I've learned one thing in 60+ years, it's that nearly every cop is going to look askance at attitude, and that's what I hear in many of the statements / comments. If someone comes off at the police like they (the cops) are the enemy, they will likely reciprocate. Be a hard ass and you're going to go to jail, period.

[@ddlindsey9001]

My CCW class was taught by a sitting judge. He essentially gave the same opinion as Mr. Ayoob.

[@eldiablo7862]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 idiot, if a sitting judge is giving you a course to allow you to acquire a concealed weapon they are on your side. In my class we teach the same thing. Even as you are on the phone with 911 let them know you are the victim and want police assistance. This also helps you to not get shot for possibly having a gun in your hand if the person fled after you just pulled your gun out. The assailant could return or call the police on you!

[@Morggin]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 NO ... I'm almost certain it's because that Judge has been through Massad's judicious use of deadly force classes. And when your lawyer says "Don't worry I'm gonna get you the lightest sentence" Fire that son of a bitch. He hasn't defended an Innocent man in his life. All he has defended are criminals.

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

He has nothing at stake. If he convicts more people and gets through his docket more quickly, he will be easier to elect when it's time for it.

[@T.E.P.]

wonderful video and enjoy sharing this info .. thanks for this EXTRA channel

[@ASPextra]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@TRONMAGNUM2099]

Sorry but I'm keeping my mouth shut and calling an attorney and leaving it that.

[@seanmcdaniel6818]

Smart

[@yoyo762]

Now THAT is expert advice. Unlike moron Ayoob.

[@glenncaswell9062]

Think twice Tron. AN attorney may get you a divorce lawyer or real estate attorney. Mas has been involved in more self defense shooting cases than.most attorneys that specilize the the field and all of those that don't (99+%)

[@yoyo762]

@@glenncaswell9062 Think 3 times, glen. His advice is the advice of ALL criminal defense attorneys and I'll take their advice over this droning self proclaimed expert any day.

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@glenncaswell9062 how dumb do you have to be to get a real estate attorney to handle your criminal defense case?

[@klorglork6917]

Great to see Ayoob is still in the fight. Great advice

[@MrEazyE357]

"You're being recorded on the officer's bodycam." That's a big maybe.

[@jshepard152]

They've been documented to get rid of footage when it suits them.

[@MrEazyE357]

@@jshepard152 Yeah, that's what I was saying. Did you not understand that or were you reiterating my point?

[@zmanphx]

Which another reason not to say anything following an altercation. You can say something that can bite you.

[@gregoryoshea1999]

I appreciate the information and the reasoning behind it. Thank you!

[@armedrealtorakasheepdog6914]

Always impressed by his knowledge

[@4catsnow]

Given the flavor of the moment.and the confusion and fluidity of the environment...conversation with an officer could easily get heated during an initial "first on scene".,, and lead to "creative narration" on a written incident report...That's where a lawyer comes from...I would opt to say nothing until I could say it in the presence of legal representation..

[@ASPextra]

It's an interesting conundrum for sure.

[@4catsnow]

@@ASPextra There are SO many cases of a written incident report being diametrically opposite of the actual event...total silence until it's legally appropriate is the best insurance...if the cop gets mad about that, he or she can schedule an appointment with the department chaplain.

[@prestfeldt]

This is so important, thanks so much for sharing!

[@stinkycheese804]

You need to adjust your audio levels to avoid that crackly clipping when you have guests that burst out statements excessively loud.

[@geoattoronto]

I Really appreciate this one!

[@cvcoco]

I could agree if we are talking about calmness and prep and a level playing field but with a perp laying on the ground the anxiety level would be off the charts, especially if there is now a mob in front of your house calling for a lynching. AYOOB could do it but i doubt the rest of us can. Here is the problem that the cops know better than you. You think you can make 5 statements and be done. No. Every time you make a statement the cop will expand on your point to get you to spill more which you didnt intend to do. And if you try to curtail the cops probing of the point you just made, suddenly you are uncooperative. Whatever you say cant be taken back later and your lawyer cant take it back either and now youre screwed. Sure, on a good day Ayoob is right but I think everyone agrees the good days are behind us now and we need a Plan B......RUN?

[@dabprod]

Excellent advice. I'll remember that and hope I never have to use it. Thanks to you both for the video.

[@ACoupleStoners]

What?! The ex cop thinks you should talk to cops?!.............CRAZY! Who would have guessed!

[@SuperIwatch]

I think the best advice is to tell the cops everything everybody else did...but never say what you did and did in response until your lawyer is able to speak for you.

[@magicwand6746]

An officer showed up on my involved Agvtd Aslt ... I spoke to him , I was truthful , he was the junior officer and the back up was most senior... But he knew who I was , so I guessed let the young dude handled the situation... They both white and so was the injured party ..I answered every question asked and was cuffed .. He wrote some things against me that ...omg...even the victim was appalled, pulled out and the state picked it up ... But refusal to witnessed weakened the case and my attorney and his hard works let me off the hook .. Hey guys " Talk or Not Good Luck " .....God Bless America

[@gklein4054]

Thank You Professor!

[@rogersheddy6414]

There was an incident once between one of the employees of the outfit I was working for in the big city and a member of the public. I was given the job of investigating everything, going to the scene, making sure our employee was safe. I got to speak to several officers who were there on the scene shortly thereafter. I pointed out to the captain a potential security camera location. They investigated this, and, sure enough, there was a security camera that backed up our employee as to the incident and the players. Always be aware that you are always being watched. If not by human eyes, then electronic ones.

[@karimmanassa9634]

"Never take legal advice from a cop."

[@tbjtbj4786]

I think he's a lawyer now.

[@AtlasJotun]

To be fair, I've heard even cops advise shutting up and not talking to cops.

[@atomsmasher9411]

@@AtlasJotun Until its them questioning you

[@jeanmorin3247]

Very very helpful! Thank You!

[@razorbeard6970]

Right off the bat he begins with a very specious anecdote about first impressions. I can understand why he would have this perspective coming from his background as without it PD and the justice system are working with much less however, first impressions to the PD aren't essential when you have ambitious lawyers working as DA's to keep their conviction rate up. They can make the innocuous statements you make to PD seem like revelations of guilt/suspicious. At the very least talking to PD can provide prosecution with ammo, at worst a definite conviction.

[@olabashanda]

James Duane, “You Have The Right to Remain Innocent” is the best case for saying nothing. Or simply asserting your right to remain silent AND your right to see legal counsel. State it, don’t ask.

[@jamespisano1164]

Mass has the best input. Excellent. Thanks for the info.

[@thorinpalladino2826]

A cop who is completely pro cop advises you to talk to the cops.

[@bigdog4574]

Massad Ayoob is the kind of guy that when he speaks you shut up and become a sponge, hope to soak up at least a fraction of what he says. This man has walked the walk... he has seen and done things, the experience is on his side. What he said is 100% true. You establish yourself as the victim, you point out the evidence the witnesses, you say that you are willing to testify against the perp and willing to cooperate fully with the investigation after you speak with your attorney and have had the time to process what happened.

[@thorinpalladino2826]

@@bigdog4574 On the subject of gunplay you are correct. On the subject of civil rights not so much.

[@bigdog4574]

@@thorinpalladino2826 what do you mean? What did he say that was so wrong in your opinion?

[@thorinpalladino2826]

@@bigdog4574 Talk to the police.

[@Wanderlust2430]

This needs Signal boosted. Our training for the license to carry I went to in texas was "Never talk to the police".

[@guitaristxcore]

Eventually you'll have to talk to them if you're a good guy and were involved in a deadly force situation. Completely refusing to talk under any circumstances looks like you're trying to hinder the investigation, and the people who do that are typically not the good guys.

[@theman5887]

@@guitaristxcore Not true. The police have no requirement to maintain your innocence and the prosecuter has no duty to make things better for you unless you enter a plea deal with them. Staying silent will make it easier to fight the charges in court and possibly even get them dropped. Remember, the burden of proof lies on the prosecution.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Mas was right. Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch says the same: tell the 📞 911 dispatch or cops; I want to press charges, file a statement even if the suspect is dead on scene, seriously wounded. ☠. BTW, get fully ready for by standers or "yard birds" to lie or make false statements to cops, troopers. 👮🏻‍♂️ may distort or trample over key evidence too. Be aware of your 911 call, recorded statements. The DA or prosecutor, detective may hear or see some legal point that will completely screw their case. Dont put ammunition in their gun! Michael Drejka of central FL; Florida VS Drejka did that. He waved ⚖ & blathered on thinking sheriffs deputies would no charge him. Drejka was convicted. 🗂⚖📹. Hes currently in state prison.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

@@guitaristxcore false. OCSO.com and Orlando.gov cops 👮🏻‍♂️ are morons. They lie, frame people, distort data, steal. How OPD is not under a civil rights decree, DoJ ⚖ is amazing.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

@@theman5887 true, this is why I sign up for CCWsafe, CCWsafe.com . They actually defended a member in a court case, won. Check the site. 👨🏻‍💻

[@kmom777]

Lol this guy have a voice and even can imitate different voices. Should be a great actor.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob was a Captain N.H., police officer... J'eesh Of course he is going to tell you to speak with the police.

[@donnypayne9979]

I'll take Ayoob's advice when he becomes a lawyer.

[@sacareapyro6326]

talking to cops or falling for the "we already know what happened so you mise well just tell us what's going on" will get you in jail faster then you can take a pee

[@h.giovannicamacho6483]

As a person, I can “understand” where he’s coming from, though I wonder how many times he’s been prosecuted. As an attorney, I would NEVER recommend that anyone talk to cops if they’ve been arrested. I also don’t agree with his analysis regarding “setting oneself up as a victim complainant, especially about establishing that you’re the good guy. Once you tell the police that you shot the guy, they have everything they need to arrest you. In this day and age, the likelihood that the cops are going to see you as a hero is dwindling. That being said, there are a couple of things that don’t seem bad to say, the problem is if they get you to start talking, they might keep you talking. Last thing, don’t ever take legal advice from someone who isn’t a lawyer.

[@alexgman1988]

H. Giovanni Camacho you should check out Mr Ayoob’s resume....any non-attorney that held the position of Vice chairman of the forensic evidence committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers might be worth listening to.

[@thomasbeck6859]

@@alexgman1988 Well being the "Vice chairman of the forensic evidence committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers" heck you won't even need an attorney for trial.

[@nitrojunkie22]

All fine points. As it comes to witnesses, EVERYONE has a cell phone, so with the exception of your encounter being the rare one-on-one, SOMEONE will have the instance on video. The trick is to get that video before the "edited" version makes it to social media.

[@TheWoodBucket]

I was just told by a Deputy Sheriff, do not say anything and request your lawyer.

An honest cop!?! I thought those were a myth, like unicorns!

[@jakebirkmaier5703]

Kurt Haithcox it's different when you're friends with them

[@righttobearjer9221]

Ha! I was at this training in Phoenix, Arizona. Great week.

[@ASPextra]

Good times!

[@maxkronader5225]

Unfortunately, when dealing with a member of a profession that has gone to the Supreme Court to defend the their right to lie to the public as much as they need to obtain convictions, your wisest move is to say as little as possible. If you are in a position of being a suspect, it is not rational to put your faith in such a person, particularly if you live in an area hostile to your Constitutionally enumerated right to be armed. No offense to Mr. Ayoob, but I'm not going to throw away my right to avoid self incrimination and possibly end up in prison just so some local patrol officer thinks better of me.

[@SubdolphinX]

Virtually every challenge to the bill of rights comes from law enforcement.

[@maxkronader5225]

@@SubdolphinX They don't call authoritarian systems "Police States" for nothing.

[@BasedBidoof]

Thanks for making this video, very wise

[@RabbiTzviHirshGoldstein]

With all due respect for the man, the fact that he cannot find a single attorney to agree with him, is telling. If I gave a class on firearms charges defense, and at the end of the class I said this, you would say I was out of my mind: "Not a single firearms instructor says you should shot an attacker in the leg, but I am telling you to not shot center mass." You were all tell me that I am nuts. Mr Ayoob does not address all the concerns with speaking to the police, and he is wrong on a few points he addresses. Most perps do not remain at the scene, or claim self defense. Almost no one stays at the sence, is arrested quietly, and invokes the right to counsel. Take a look at how much he wants you to say. Point out all the evidence. Hard to do. Also, the police are going to get the story from all the other blable mouths on the street, or cameras. They aren't even going to know who the shooter is, before they receive the story from 50 people. I could go on.

[@ASPextra]

Well, to be fair, there are attorneys who will agree with Mas. The two on my channel do not.

[@RabbiTzviHirshGoldstein]

@@ASPextra names?

[@ASPextra]

Go do your own research. I can think of 4 or 5 I know, but they prefer not to be put on the record.

[@RabbiTzviHirshGoldstein]

@@ASPextra anyone not willing to go on the record is not reliable. If not a single attorney is willing to go on the record protecting this position (that's what my research shows as well) that is a very strong consensus in a diverse crowd.

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

it all comes down to one thing , how well the state selects and trains their law enforcement

[@andym1594]

Great advice. Great advice Don't rely on cops or others to note witnesses and scene correctly. use that camera as a passive device to capture what is there and what went down... w/out disturbing the evidence.

[@VincentSanzoneJr]

Partially accurate. As a criminal defense attorney I would agree with the author. In many some cases it is wise to speak to the police. However, the author does not understand that detectives are good in getting a suspect to say too much and hence hang themselves. Proceed with extreme caution when speaking to cops at a crime scene. Lastly, it is not admissible at trial when a suspect asks to speak to a lawyer prior to giving a statement.

[@greenmonkey7305]

I work as a prosecutor now and even tell people that much. The problem with people is that the very few will literally not utter so much as a word. We had an incident here locally several years ago of a self-defense shooting where he did not even so much as utter his name when the police arrived. You can obviously tell how that went in trial and of course, we got our conviction. It was actually a partial good self-defense shoot to begin with . Our attack on him had everything to do with him being quiet. Under the circumstances had he just easily said that he shot in self-defense and was in fear for his life I believe his attorney (which personally is not that competent to begin with) would’ve won the case for him.

[@adstaton8461]

A cop shoots a perpetrator and the police union sees to it that he doesn't have to make any statement for 24 hours or more. I think I'll stick to remaining silent until I talk to a lawyer.

[@elgar6743]

The most insightful and cogent comment posted regarding this topic. It really is not more difficult than STFU after asserting Miranda/5A right.

[@evandavies5906]

I live in he UK, where fist fights, and knife attacks are the realistic concern. The argument sometimes comes down to "well a judge can't stamp on your head while you are on the ground!"