Addressing The LMNT Controversy!

[@bmeetze]

I like how chill you are, Dr. Westman, about how you address things. No ill-intent or fear mongering in your voice. Thank you for your balanced approach!

[@dajoj9730]

Not balanced ,but a wishy washy approach to what should be a more honest business model from lmnt.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

​@@dajoj9730The so-called balanced approach to a transparency issue implies that deceit is acceptable, much like the fallacy of "everything in moderation."

[@clairehachey2189]

I absolutely love his calm demeanor and knowledge.

[@kdemetter]

@@dajoj9730 I don't see anything wishy-wash about what Dr Westman said. He clearly agrees that LMNT should have put it on their label. And he recognizes that for most people, that tiny amount isn't going to be a problem. But for some people who have sensitivity to it, it could still be an issue. His message is clearly : "yes LMNT was in the wrong there and should have put it on the label" AND "regardless, you are probably fine because it's such a small amount, unless you have a sensitivity to it". In other words : LMNT did a wrong by not being transparent to their customers. But the product ( if correctly labelled) is actually fairly good for most people. I'm not going to buy from LMNT anymore until they work hard to regain my trust. But I'm not going to throw away the box I already have either. I'll just use it up.

[@karenbelonoha8853]

Would ELMT break a fast, I do 16/8 most days

[@jennifermarlow.]

This is about informed consent. We don't have true informed consent with our food supply if the companies are not being completely transparent. LMNT crossed that line.

[@PlantSparingCarnivore]

Wilful ignorance. Sugar industry tactic.

[@cherylh4688]

That's true. But it's also a serious health issue for anyone hypersensitive to maltodextrin, as I am! So I'm really glad I chose to use Dr. Berg's electrolyte powder instead. His is higher in potassium, too - 1000mg per serving - and even tastes better. Well, at least it doesn't taste salty anyway!

[@MelissaC269]

And he said that wasn't right multiple times at the beginning. If one is to stop buying the product it should be for that reason. I would never pay that much. I found a generic version. lol.

[@peterpan408]

We don't have it. All sorts of stuff is in our food. And we have no idea.

[@neocoach]

Bottom line, if it is an ingredient, it should be on the label so that people with a sensitivity don’t have to even try it.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Yes, I am not sensitive to it other than I'm doing keto and don't want it. And I notice that the ingredient is frequently used as a filler or binding agent of some sort. Maybe it is for flavour but I saw it in supplements like kelp based iodine that came in gel capsules.The capsule is some kind of gelatin to swallow whole so it need not the flavour I would presume so they put it in there to make it appear as it is more powder in them?!?

[@zamfirtoth6441]

I really don't have confidence in the comments either. Too many in this space sell the crap. Their business should suffer. The keto /carnivore world is based on telling the truth about mainstream lies. Anything in the store with maltodextrin gets put back on the shelf. If so many didn't profit from this we wouldn't even be talking about it, the product always was a RIP off due to the price alone. Any influencers minimizing this will also suffer popularity.

[@bettylookabaugh9480]

I hope you realize that there I’m not listed every single thing that’s in the products you buy. If you believe that you’re being fooled. There are many people that will still use LMNT. It’s a personal choice. When you were eating Doritos, there was maltodextrin in that and probably almost every other product you consume before going on keto. Just saying…

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@bettylookabaugh9480 That is a dumb response. So people who eaten shit and changed should continue because they done it before (and specifically if it is a product that is marketed for people who are aware of health?). Or people who have sensitivities to some ingredient should just suck up a bad reaction because people who eat like shit have it every day? In the extension you could say youdon't have the electrolytes either and don't give a damn about your health status because your uncle sacrificed his feet for not giving up apple cake.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@bettylookabaugh9480 The usage of the word "should" express a desire for ambition, not necessary a belief that it must be stated (as I presume most are aware of depending on the amount) Which could be more relevant for a company who especially market themselves by health and fitness influencers.

[@koko4kosh960]

No Dodgy ingredients. Maltodextrin is corn, which is mostly GMO in turn heavy with pesticides. Not to mention it is really just another form of sugar.

[@BathtubSkyPirate]

Also; 'Maltodextrin has a high glycemic index of 110, compared to glucose (100) and table sugar (80). '

[@RoryLuciano]

Probably made in the same factory as the cheaper packets he showed

[@Kroh13]

I’ve used LMNt for years and I don’t have high blood sugar after drinking it . I even tested it drinking it fasted so it’s the only thing I drink and nothing my blood sugar doesn’t even move .. that’s said I was never diabetic .. but I disagree that it raises your blood sugar . I would like someone to prove it really does that

[@ColleenWarner-ps5eb]

I am a diabetic and did not raise mine either.

[@craigjory1875]

Their product is non gmo.

[@georgemoonman2830]

regardless of whether it has maltodextrin in it or not, its still a massive rip off for what is esentially just salt plus some useless fillers

[@tezzanewton]

Yeah exactly. In Australia it’s $2 per serving. At 3 servings per day, you can see how that would add up.

[@anthonymuma4602]

They have a recipe on their website to make your own I've heard

[@cynthiagilbreth1352]

@@anthonymuma4602 I’ve used it!

[@JohnnStr1]

This just reminded me of something about those lies! This book called “The 23 Former Doctor Truths by Lauren Clark”. My health shifted in a whole new way.

[@AndiS-dz4pq]

“Don’t sweat the small stuff”. That’s great advice and a good reset. Thanks Dr Westman.

[@Kroh13]

Agreed people have seriously lost their minds if they think the small amount of maltedextrin is what makes them obese . No it couldn’t possibly be that for decades they ate crap and then started taking LMNT and now blame the LMNT for stalls in weight loss .. it’s just laughable to me .. people always want to blame someone else or something else .. if your weight has stalled it’s not LMNT causing it ..

[@ChrisBairKeto]

One of the founders of LMNT said "if you don't like the ingredients in LMNT, formulate your own" (not mix your own, which is interesting) - I started working on exactly that in 2023 and made SALTT with no maltodextrin at all (not easy) and no citric acid either. 400mg of maltodextrin is unlikely to be metabolically relevant to a healthy person, but many of the people in this space are dealing with significant health problems, they aren't performance athletes.

[@cynthiagilbreth1352]

@@ChrisBairKeto I occasionally buy SALTT, but as the name implies it is too salty for me. I prefer to put salt on my food. That being said I’m looking forward to trying the new flavors.

[@nadogrl]

@@cynthiagilbreth1352- Yes, LMNT is waaaay too salty for me, and I LOVE salt! When I first ordered the LMNT sample packs, I even diluted it 4 times, and it was awful. And 1000mg salt vs. 200mg potassium seems like it’s counterintuitive.

[@Paws-A-Lot]

Chris Bair Thank you for creating a 100% maltodextrin-free flavored electrolyte! Your iodine testing experiment was so helpful and much appreciated. I know I can rely on SALTT & Keto Chow to be 100% transparent. ❤

[@finagill]

Thank you for creating a cherry flavor. I ordered some and can't wait to try it.

[@ChrisBairKeto]

@finagill of the 3 new ones, it's my favorite, though grapefruit isn't far behind. BTW, all 3 are using a lot less acacia gum in the flavoring, it's around 0.2g of total carbohydrates instead of 0.35g with the older flavors

[@suzanbleakly3905]

I love the product.. LMNT..it’s helped my leg cramps immediately. I will continue to buy.

[@ItWorksBodyWraps64]

me too it doesn't raise my blood sugar, so I'll continue to use also.

[@cjaneAlaska]

Me too!

[@AZJen480]

Same here!

[@Whoopi2u]

Hi Dr. Westman, It’s about integrity and the lack of it. I choose whole and natural foods. If I find out that someone is not honest with me they lose my business. I have plenty of choices. Teresa

[@deborahnarendorf7106]

I so appreciate your calmness….don’t sweat the small stuff….good way to live! You were the physician that I followed from the start and convinced me to go low carb. That says more than you know as I am a retired RN,CDE and the physicians I worked for did not subscribe to this approach for people with diabetes! Now I know better! Just one more way to be disappointed in some of the medical community. I am not diabetic, but I watch my blood sugar and so far have not noticed an elevation when using LMNT. I enjoy this product and know that it has helped me and my husband. I so appreciate your take on all of this! Once again, thanks Doc.

[@johnwatkinsjr788]

It has nothing to do with the ingredient itself. It is the fact they lied and made claims that are not true.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

The so-called balanced approach to a transparency issue implies that a little bit of deceit is acceptable, much like the fallacy of "everything in moderation."

[@SonnyDarvish]

@@LowCarbLowDrama if your wife or husband sleeps once or twice a year with a random stranger, would you accept it?

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

@SonnyDarvish Dr. Westman should be aware of an analogical point that you're making

[@SonnyDarvish]

@@LowCarbLowDrama but I asked you a question, is it hard to answer?

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

@SonnyDarvish you started this assumption, so I presume you think it's ok.

[@hickoryhollowcreations]

I agree that it was wrong to deceive customers. It would go a long way if they would start adding that ingredient to the packaging. 'Trust' is difficult to get back, once that trust has been breached. That said, I always felt tired and weak on Keto/Carnivore/intermittent fasting until I started taking electrolytes. Bone broth didn't help. Making it, and drinking it was another hurdle. Electrolytes helped...but I didn't start noticing I really felt different and better until I started taking LMNT. A big plus is that I actually enjoy drinking it. Can't say that for any other electrolytes I've tried. This is a GOOD product, and I'll continue to take it. Thank you, Dr. Westman, for being a voice of reason in this controversy.

[@MJ-hl1kk]

@hickoryhollowcreations Thank you for this reveiw of LMNT. Because its on the expensive side, I was hesitating, but the cheaper ones are gross to taste and makes me want to throw up.

[@gBalldevelopmentllc]

I chose to stay with it. I hope this controversy doesn't lead to LMNT to stop making it. I feel like LMNT really helps with my sugar addiction because I can predict how much I'm getting with each packet. I love the taste and other nutrients I get. A product that stops me from getting a Mocha Hot Chocolate from Starbucks (please don't judge me, but I used to buy a venti hot chocolate every day!) is worth the price. I've been addicted to sugar and chocolate since I was 5 years old and I'm 64 years young now. I only drink one packet a day and this product is worth it for me. Dr. Cywes uses a 'bridge' philosophy when he talks about using diet soda to treat sugar addiction and that's what LMNT is to me!

[@Timmiehere]

I agree if you use it, Know it’s limitations and contents. Use in moderation, I think is best.

[@Kamargeree]

It’s all about informed consent

[@dennisward43]

It can be a sugar bridge yes but its should not be a sugar railway line. Only by stopping sweet ingredients (including artificial sweeteners) can you have the potential to get rid of your sugar cravings for good. Your taste buds will soon adapt (maybe even in a week) so you no longer crave sugar.

[@ChrisBairKeto]

SALTT is available with a 2 chocolate flavors and has zero maltodextrin

[@Kroh13]

@@ChrisBairKetothat you know about . I bet they have the same problem

[@hardtruth2039]

They ruined their own business by lying.

[@powerguiller]

The founder of LMNT claimed that their 3rd party producer of raw materials were the one that lying.😅

[@arwenhardy1995]

​​@@powerguillerSounds like deflection and refusing to take responsibility for their lack of integrity.

[@paulchapman411]

True

[@scasny]

@@powerguiller if that was true they could sue the producer to oblivion. So i am not buying the excuse, and it should be on the label. But i still dont know why is it in there in the first place. Its basically a starch powder without taste and the product is already dry powder so its not for texture or to preserve it. I can only think that is used for its mechanical attributes for easier processing by machines maybe. People will be surprised how many additives are in the food just to change the mechanical properties of the raw product to pass true machines.

[@nin6246]

I suspect that LMNT will take the appropriate actions to address the controversy. Just like any other company, their customers are critically important and in order for the company to retain their consumer base, I feel that it's very likely that they will be either more transparent with their products or they will change their manufacturing process. Either way, you can always order the "Unflavored" version however it's an expensive product and there are lots of great alternatives on the internet. In my research, two salts stand out as being clean of most, if not all, heavy metals such as Diamond Crystal salt and Jacobsen salt. The magnesium and potassium can be added to the filtered/spring water or taken separately. None of us "need" LMNT. I believe superior alternatives exist and that it would behoove anyone who is concerned about this issue to find alternative products.

[@Bourdjihez-M9b]

A couple of years ago, I tried electrolytes but did nothing for me. I ended up using water with some Himalayas salt, and Ihad a much better result! I am a pure carnivore. I find that being healthy is basically very simple : meat, butter & salt. Very simple!!!

[@AlmondScented]

Himalayan salt seems to be all the rage because it has a pretty color. There are things about this salt that has uneducated people fooled into using it. It has radioactive elements, including plutonium. It also has lead and fluoride. There is no such thing as "safe levels" of lead and plutonium. Another thing people don't realize is that not all minerals are good for you. You're not supposed to eat salt directly from the mine. It has to be CLEANED of all the filth first. You get all the minerals you need from meat!

[@orchidmuse]

Not so simple for some bc doesn't work for anyone. I have to supplement with magnesium and potassium, otherwise I have severe health problems on ketovore.

[@roser.8552]

​@@orchidmuseMaybe you aren't eating enough animal fat. Carnivore is about the fat not the protein

[@orchidmuse]

@@roser.8552 I have my macros calculated, enough fat. I have some health issues which got worse on carnivore/ keto. But other issues got better, which is more important. It's OK with supplements. I believe both fat and protein are important as our muscles won't grow on fat.

[@Emmm-ii6tx]

Not that simple I have a friends who has been on carnivore diet for awhile now and is dealing with receding gum lines from not getting enough vitamin c on the carnivore diet. It’s a serious problem that is expensive to fix … carnivore diet isn’t a miracle diet as it’s made out to be

[@JillUdocon]

As a type 1 diabetic who wears a cgm, i could tell immediately that these are not diabetic friendly. They caused huge blood sugar rises each time i tried one. This is a big problem with many products claiming to be sugar free.

[@suec2441]

It took me weeks to figure out why my neuropathy pain increased significantly on the carnivore diet. As soon as I cut out the flavored LMNT I felt much better. Thank God I didn’t stop carnivore which has benefited me greatly.

[@2009raindrop]

I really appreciate your approach - it makes things infinitely more doable when we aren't worrying ourselves about every nitpicking thing.

[@Snoopy-mo4hw]

Thanks for this video Dr. Westman. You always seem to be the common sense in the Keto community. I didn’t even really know what Maltodextrin was until all the hoopla over this product came out. It has always been listed as an ingredient on their website. I get that for some people it is a big concern that it is not listed on each individual packet. If I was that worried about every ingredient in what I consumed on a regular basis I would check more in depth before purchasing any online product. Hopefully LMNT will change their practices, but I will continue to use their products. Their customer service is excellent. My wish is that all the people who are are trying to throw them under the bus would put their efforts into going to the Big Food companies that include so much more carbage in their ingredients and try to take them out of business instead of just picking on the small guy.

[@karendeann72]

People listen to social media influencers to make decisions for themselves. Geesh, listen to the info but learn to use your own judgement for yourself!! If you’re a keto doctor that is one thing but most of these “influencers” have no degree. They go on their own experiences which may or may not work for you. I have used LMNT for 3 years. I love it, it does what I need, and I have no plans to quit. Thank you Dr. Westman for being a sound voice in this space once again!!

[@yuka-youtube]

most doctors have no degree of nutrition.

[@janetfisher5992]

Thanks Dr Westman for your review. I have been using the product for 2 years. It has helped me stay healthy and hydrated at 80. Lost 45 lbs since covid on keto/low carb and LMNT stabilized feeling woozy after hot tub. I love it and use it daily. Support Robb and the team for sure.

[@carmensilva3953]

I completely respect Dr. Westman and always appreciate his outlook on topics especially the controversial ones. This video makes me think about all the strict and unforgiving keto and carnivore influencers that strike and forbid moderation, criticizing how moderation does not work. And most of them are sponsored by LMNT. This is rich and I feel the hypocrisy is evident. This is why I respect Dr. Westman bc he is so flexible and promotes a healthy and doable lifestyle. He shows how the everyday person can make changes to their lifestyle and actually enjoy life and not have to sacrifice say a day out with family or friends bc they don’t eat certain foods. Thank you Dr. Westman for your leadership and for teaching us simple ways to improve our health.

[@ronoldow.6438]

Dr Westman wasn't forthright in this video. I think he caved in to LMNT sponsorship, which he failed to mention.

[@MrStanfran]

If you're sensitive to maltodextrin and have a reaction, you think back on everything you've eaten in the last couple of days. Will you suspect the product that has "no dodgy ingredients"? Maybe products that have less than 1/2 a gram of peanuts should be allowed to say they are "peanut free with no dodgy ingredients ". Label your product properly!!

[@katknights9033]

Thank you. I've had this exact same issue with the lie about the ingredients. I personally suffer from disaccharidase deficiency and couldn't work out why my body was still suffering and put it down to slow healing, trying LMNT on and off. The truth finally and I realised (sure, I'm slow but so many possible confounding factors had me believing it couldn't possibly be this clean product). I certainly set back potentially months of healing.

[@MrStanfran]

@katknights9033 The wife, with a sensitivity, started getting atrial fibrillation during a heat wave. Dehydration will cause this, so she started drinking even more LMNT to hydrate and her afib got worse. Finally realized it had maltodextrin, she stopped drinking LMNT, and her afib went away almost immediately. Label products properly!!!

[@katknights9033]

I'm sorry for yours and your wifes difficulties ​@MrStanfran and I agree. Let us know what we're ingesting, let us decide for ourselves with knowledge.

[@nowornever_t2d]

Total respect for your calm demeanor approach to issues. I'd have to say that at 9:50 is the closest you've come to an elevated assertion. Thanks for mentioning that not all keto folks need to stay away from keto bread. That bread & IF got me from 13.1 to 5.8 in 6 months. God Bless.

[@sharonrich7414]

Thank you for your honest information

[@nin6246]

That's one of the best qualities of a content creator. It can't be faked.

[@valerieclark5064]

My cousin's estranged husband suddenly passed away last summer. It took a while for the cause of death to be determined. It was determined his electrolytes were out of balance. Boy, that surprised me, but it did drive home how important listening to your body and eating healthy is.

[@T-aka-T]

Interesting, yes. Four alkaline earth ions - Na (Sodium), K, Mg2, and Ca2 work competitively/together in the body, binding to other things. But it's hard for us to know what the body needs, and you're spot on, I think, re healthy eating. (Listening to you body can be pretty much impossible UNLESS you eat healthy. If you eat junk, your body will report to you that it wants sugar.🫤)

[@yuka-youtube]

how that is even possible? drank soy bottle or something? i heard taking too much liquid salt is deadly but rarely happens

[@T-aka-T]

@@yuka-youtube ​ K (potassium) is one - can be too high or too low, with cardio effects such as fibrillation. K is required for muscles (incl heart) to contract. People on some BP meds are warned (eg) not to supplement or even eat bananas. These alkaline earth ions compete/cooperate in chemical bonds (sodium, calcium, magnesium, potassium). Weird, isn't it?

[@valerieclark5064]

@yuka-youtube I'm guessing he had low potassium or sodium from consuming more alcohol than food. I know having low or high potassium causes identical symptoms including sudden heart attacks. I'm not sure about low/high sodium or magnesium does.

[@yuka-youtube]

@@T-aka-T ty very informative

[@tserevenad]

Yes ditch it. They are liars. Make your own electrolyte drink.

[@petermadany2779]

So far that’s been my approach.

[@ronoldow.6438]

They are like politicians. They got careless and now have to deal with the fallout. I have no sympathy for them.

[@planner722]

When using it for Keto, I use one/day. However, I have noticed I seem to have a little hunger afterwards, so I only use it an hr or two before dinner (I’m also doing OMAD). When I hike/backpack, I use it freely, however much I feel necessary. From a legal standpoint, I believe they don’t have to list this ingredient since it falls under added flavors. That’s the problem with the US laws, if it was in Europe, they would be required to list it.

[@planner722]

BTW, I will continue to buy and support them. Hopefully they seek a way to eliminate or at least reduce it.

[@frenzyviz6296]

Thank you Dr. Westman for your balanced, sensible approach. I feel like I have just listened to a friend who just happens to be a doctor. 😀👍

[@ronoldow.6438]

Dr Westman wasn't completely honest in this video. Very disappointed in him.

[@christiroseify]

Dr Westman, I think you are missing the "deception" factor. I listened to an LMNT interview when this came out and surely he did do his very best to try to explain away with numbers and percentages, but the problem remains. Either they knew and chose to leave it off the ingredients or they don't know what they've been selling. This is a problem. Most people in the Keto/Carnivore circles have metabolic disease, what they consume is important. Sure, it may not "kill" a person but that doesn't mean their body doesn't suffer from an ingredient.

[@RandomHuTaoSimp]

agreed and the lying factor is horrible to do to people who appreciate honesty which is just about everyone. So to blatantly lie to the people that line their own pockets is terrible. They deserved to be ruined like they were

[@5Gburn]

Yes, they misled the public. Yes, they can also retract and reform. Think of all the meat recalls over the years, yet we still eat meat. Why do we forgive legitimately harmful (even to the point of death) occurrences and not this? If they reform, I say it's fine. You can do differently, of course--that's also fine.

[@christiroseify]

@@5Gburn I believe, at this point, the question is whether or not the repentance is genuine. And food recalls for accidental contamination is not the same thing as a product with ingredients it says it doesn't have.

[@christiroseify]

@@RandomHuTaoSimp I don't believe I would say they deserve to be ruined, the good humbling they got/are getting from their supporters could balance the scale.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

The so-called balanced approach to a transparency issue implies that a little bit of deceit is acceptable, much like the fallacy of "everything in moderation."

[@sharonkrzyzanowski2283]

Thank you for clearing that up Dr. Westman. I trust your advice!

[@jazzk4072]

Good on you, doc, for sticking up for LMNT. Oh what a silly story. Home the homeless, feed the hungry, visit nursing home elderly - do not destroy a company because you want to buy the company. A..hats! This LMNT ELECTROLYTE is a pretty good product. The company even GIVES YOU THE RECIPE on their site. I bought the ingredients and mixed my own. 😂 I take two doses of unflavoured mix a day cause I love the taste in carbonated water. Stops headaches, carnivore issues, especially at the beginning. LMNT should have put it on the cover though. Just to safeguard their behinds. 😂

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

Transparency is at the core of this LMNT saga. The so-called balanced approach to a transparency issue implies that deceit is acceptable, much like the fallacy of "everything in moderation."

[@williamcoolidge9884]

He said they should have had it on the label.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

@ so he should and be more consistent with the messaging.

[@tammyteej861]

Don’t sweat the small stuff? In this day and age, you should always consider the small stuff. Having maltodextrin is one thing, but they have like 100 times more the amount that they claim. That is a flat out lie. You can’t tell me maltodextrin is not bad for metabolism… especially in the amount they actually have. This is like one of the few videos that I’m very disappointed with. I know they’re a small company, but that’s no excuse for the horrible lie.

[@LowCarbLowDrama]

The so-called balanced approach to a transparency issue implies that a little bit of deceit is acceptable, much like the fallacy of "everything in moderation."

[@nancyhendricks1410]

Dr. Berry interviewed those guys. It was awful. He purposely didn't put it on the label. Was being sneaky by putting it on website. The manufacturers misinterpreted the dosage. That can happen. But he flat out admitted he didn't put it on the package because he knew people wouldn't buy it. Some people are super sensitive and have suffered from it. He wasn't even sorry. Sorry he got caught. Talked about his own sad story when he should have apologized. I am guessing all these influencers have contracts with LMNT and can't say anything right now. It will be interesting to see if they drop off or re-up their contracts.

[@ronoldow.6438]

@@nancyhendricks1410 Dr Westman was not forthright about this. Big disappointment.

[@TimBocephus]

I may be wrong, but in flavorings they are not required to list ingredients including maltodextrin

[@suzannereeves7768]

Yeah, but all the influencers who sponsor this product, some said they may use the unflavored LMNT, but never said there may be undesirable ingredients in the flavored packets. Yes, I should read the ingredients list, my bad for trusting so many who videos I so much enjoy watching.

[@TimBocephus]

@@suzannereeves7768 well, the manufacturers of the raw ingredients may not disclose they add maltodextrin for various reasons. The rules and regulations governing this disclosure need to be reformed

[@rpl1421]

@@suzannereeves7768the ingredient list does NOT say there is maltodextrin in the packet. You have to go to the LMNT website and search through blogs written by Robb Wolf to find a mention of it. If he were an ethical producer/business man, he would have changed the label on the box and packet to add maltodextrin to it the minute he knew the maltodextrin was there.

[@SimplyHuman186]

Not required to be good people but would be great

[@Lgarell60]

You’re a Good Man Doc Westman 😊

[@PlantSparingCarnivore]

It's begrudgingly fascinating how these influencers/doctors who promote these products fail to address the transparency issue properly, along with their own conflict of interest. Plus, Dr. Westman consistently emphasizes reducing carbs for metabolic health and strictly keeping it under a total of 20 grams, but magically, an extra 4-8 grams (4000-8000 mg) of a carb with the highest glycemic index like maltodextrin (most seem to have 2-4 servings) from LMNT is fine metabolically. It's extraordinary how the phenomenon of contracts can influence influencers.

[@pattylyman7907]

@PlantSparingCarnivore EXACTLY. They all say it doesn't affect them, and use that as their defense of the company sending them checks every month

[@saxgirlhornboy6458]

Ironically, as others have pointed out, the first talking head in this video, Nick Norwitz, often plugs RxSugar's Allulose sweetener, but he only occasionally mentions his affiliation with the company. The post I saw also mentioned Perlmutter, Bikman, Rick Johnson and a few others.

[@janetkittelson]

It’s 400mg per serving. That’s less than half a gram of carbs. While I completely agree on the transparency issue, the people blaming LMNT for keeping them out of ketosis while they are eating low carb bread and tortillas, keto treats, etc need to get real. You’d have to be drinking 10-20 LMNT per day to get the kind of numbers you are throwing around here which would neither be recommended nor affordable for most people.

[@pattylyman7907]

@@janetkittelson Very few are saying this has actually knocked them out of ketosis. What they are saying is, it is having an affect on them. It's a wide assumption you are making that those having an affect of this maltrodextrin, are cheating with breads and other things, is judgmental and not the real issue.

[@carnivorehippie8071]

"Metabolically fine" is not what Dr Westman said. He said (in context) if one takes it and has no discernable negative outcome he's not concerned about it. He then went on to say (twice, btw) that it should have been listed on the label. If you're going to criticize, criticize what he ACTUALLY said, not a mischaracterization of it.

[@elainehearod7013]

Regardless I used it and was very helpful when I’d get weak from fluid loss. I loss 65 lbs and labs are great. I will continue to keep LMNT on hand.

[@JYAN2852]

As a certified health coach I do not recommend LMNT to any of my clients. It is a ripoff consisting of 85% cheap refined salt. Best to mix our own for pennies instead. Ratio of Sodium to Potass is horrible as well

[@judyheidick9793]

What ratios do you recommend ? Thank you for your response

[@Adam-jr4lx]

unless you need extra electrolytes, you should salt your meat to taste. Usually that'll get you to around a 1:1 ratio. natural ratio in meat is 3:1 potassium to sodium.

[@JYAN2852]

@@judyheidick9793 Ancestrally speaking we never had access to salt until the past few hundred years through refinement and maritime trading. We ate meats unsalted for millions of years. People eating low carb keto or carnivore tend to do fasting and under eat proteins, where almost all minerals come in. Not the fats. Proteins generally have a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio of Potass to Sodium (salt is only 40% sodium remember). By over salting it causes the kidneys and sweat glands to dump out excess sodium trying to maintain balance of electrolytes leading to constant dehydration. Every cell has thousands of sodium-potass pumps to escort molecules into and out of cells. Keeping these minerals balanced is very important for metabolism, hydration, nerve signaling, serum PH balance etc

[@hawaiingirlbeth]

That doesn't make you special. The whole " health coach's" of KZbin has caused so much confusion for a lot of people. 🙄

[@JYAN2852]

@hawaiingirlbeth I have hundreds of clients who I have helped with their electrolytes intake. To each their own. Even Dr Stephen Phinney speaks on the importance of Potass to Sodium balance in many if his lectures

[@lindahamm5440]

They are not the only ones, I decided to try Redmond Re-Lyte and first time my A1C went up 12 points! Second time added my iodine to it and bingo, turned purple and just watched Dr. Burg say that was a sign for melodextrin!

[@thecosmicbug]

I like SALtT. It's much cheaper also!

[@DDeden]

It is possible that the purple is from a different starch, though I doubt it.

[@Julia-en9xq]

I tested mine with iodine as well, and it did not turn purple..I have the mixed berry flavor.

[@Kroh13]

I call BS 12 points .. what else are you eating

[@carolferguson]

@@Kroh13um. I am shocked too. Surely that’s wrong. A1C up 12 points? Might need another test/doctor

[@suzannecarrier287]

I haven't seen this mentioned in the comments but I'm coming from a fasting perspective. Many of us know that Maltodextrin breaks a fast. That's why I feel I was deceived by the company. For 2 years I was consuming LMNT during fasting....so angry!

[@LetsBHonest]

You're suppose to have the unflavored for fasting which has zero carbs, not the flavored which has some carbs from the artificial sweetener. Is it on their website that their flavored ones don't break a fast?

[@suzannecarrier287]

​@@LetsBHonestI don't know ...I was just listening to influencers..

[@derekhines1078]

I wanted to like LMNT when I started carnivore over 3 years ago. When I’d drink it the joints in my big toes would cramp up like crazy; excruciatingly so. I just tried the flavored ones and all the ones I tried did this. I do have weird reactions to some things which is why I landed on carnivore.

[@cathleengrady1351]

Thank you for balanced POV. I enjoy your channel.

[@michaelhimes8778]

The FDA allows food producers to not list ingredients that are less than 500mg. So they chose not to list it. It makes you wonder what other companies are not listing.

[@BigSlimyBlob]

Very few people actually need these supplements to begin with. But for those few who do, I would recommend just making your own. It'll likely be 90% cheaper and you'll know what's in it.

[@christineramseyer4721]

This is why I recommend you to people who need to get healthy with keto. You are so reasonable.

[@TL71913]

I used to use LMNT always the unflavored one. I quit using it before all of the drama because I got tired of paying $45 for it. I just add Redmond's to my water now. When I finish the Redmond's I'm switching to Celtic sea salt.

[@cynthiagilbreth1352]

@@TL71913 sea salt had microplastics

[@WH2012]

Might want to consider Jacobsen’s Sea Salt as that has been demonstrated recently to be the lowest in heavy metals (compared to Redmond’s and Celtic, etc.).

[@TL71913]

@WH2012 I've never heard of this salt. Thanks for mentioning it.

[@kerris.3488]

For someone like myself who has been suffering with candida for years, any form of sugar is a huge setback! A couple of weeks before I heard about the malodextrin, I had noticed that I was reacting again and it was within 20 minutes of having LMNT! I was only on it for about 3 weeks & I thought that It was odd that I was starting to react again. It did cross my mind that maybe it was from the packet but dismissed it because so many were toting it for having zero sugar. Well, lo and behold, that's what was causing my reaction!

[@michelletrippi7782]

I reacted to the citrus...but somehow the chocolate in my coffee gets no reaction. I only use that now.

[@CarolElliott-k9z]

Wow! I’m so sorry that happened to you! and this hi-lites the the most basic reason that transparency and truth in labeling needs to be addressed! The old “dose that makes the poison” may be different for every individual! If it’s in it, it should be accurately stated so on the label! So disappointed in the integrity of this company, and the FDA for allowing labeling “passes” based on statistics that can and are being manipulated!

[@CarolElliott-k9z]

Dr Westman, as you stated at about 9:50 how is the public to know they were consuming something they knew was a problem for them if it wasn’t on the label in the first place. Goes back to the integrity and transparency of the company. Very disappointed in their deception. Trust is lost by their own actions.

[@Historyamnesia]

LMNT was good to me when I discovered that my insulin resistance was affecting the way my body was processing everything I was eating. With an elimination diet, I discovered it was sweeteners, any kind of sweeteners. I had just bought over $100 worth of LMNT and had used it daily. The company was great and issued me a full refund. Even though I can’t consume it anymore, they said to keep it instead of returning it and give it to someone who could benefit from electrolytes. Wow!

[@ukjezza8888]

Excusing the mislabelling of food by saying "Meltodextrin isn't that bad for you" is to completely miss the point of the backlash. The claim was that the amount of Meltodextrin in the product was 10 times lower than the actual content. That is absolutely inexcusable. HOW it isn't illegal is beyond me!

[@chuckyd03]

I was mad. But I’ve been drinking this for years. Body gotta be use to it by now. Still buying

[@hosephine1]

I always appreciate a balanced and thoughtful approach. So called keto products are traps. When I do your “prescription science” keto I do great, when I add products I don’t.

[@jamief24]

I learned a few yrs ago that Maltodextrin caused weight gain in me and raised my type 1 daughters sugar level. And that was having it in a product with small amounts

[@cjaneAlaska]

I still buy it. I like it. I monitor my BG with a CGM and it doesn’t budge it.

[@browngirl2533]

Well, as a member of the carnivore community, transparency about ingredients is crucial, especially when we’re vigilant about our dietary intake This recent revelation that LMNT contains between 250mg to 550mg of maltodextrin, despite previous beliefs that it contained only 4mg or none at all, makes we upset 😡 Even if the amount is minimal, the lack of transparency feels deceptive and undermines our trust. It should have clearly communicated to consumers who rely on accurate ingredient to make informed choices If I were LMNT, I’d address this issue by issuing a sincere apology without excuses and consider offering refunds for recent purchases. Such actions would demonstrate accountability and a commitment to regaining consumer trust - I won’t be purchasing again not because of the amount, but the deception Love you Doctor ❤

[@Blitz4688]

I am not worried about the amount of Maltodextrin but I am concerned about the lying and labeling. They proudly display the Magnesium and Potassium that are in much smaller quantities and then turn around and hide the Maltodextrin. Although it was legal it wasn't right. I am done using it and will never return.

[@patwalkins2061]

Next we all have to call out all the products that are sold as no added sugar, sugar free and are laced with another derivative of sugar . Please note there are over 40 derivatives of sugar.

[@benicio1967]

That little bit of sugar wouldn’t bother me because I had to start adding fruit back to my diet anyway. For some inexplicable reason after being on carnivore for two months, I wasn’t losing even an ounce. They should have known that adding that ingredient was going to cause consumers to be upset and stop buying their product.

[@thebeardedmother1535]

Personally I’ve not used LMNT largely because it is prohibitively expensive and I would much prefer to utilise that money buying better quality meat. Regardless, the company has been intentionally misleading regarding their product. Something which they need to be accountable for.

[@tiff688]

I still use it. 7 yrs of lifestyle, doesn't negatively effect serum numbers or give cravings etc.

[@paulpladin9590]

We live in an age of abundant information, much of it about health effects. Before we had a few big rocks of orthodox thought and now have much refiner granularity. We are just discovering facts that have existed all along. What we lack is a framework to rank-order the attention we put to these things in a way that benefits us rather than be herded by interests, or the monetizers of popular opinion. A great deal of what we are discovering is narrowly interesting but of very little general importance. I am a type 1 diabetic, maltodextrin is the bane of my existence but a half a gram dissolved into a quart of water? Of all of the critical uses of our outrage, this ranks up there with fart deodorant. We need to rank-order practical response to new fact, a skill never taught and rarely appreciated. Thank You Doctor Westman.

[@pjbburk.4208]

The point is lack of honesty in listing ingredients. This is important to the keto community, the diabetics and those with ingredient sensitivities.

[@chandrasharma5501]

Dr Westman, l have been following you a long, but ‘ Don’t sweat a small staff’ is a real concern for lies.

[@patcomly180]

Dr. Westman did say that it should be on the label. The "small stuff" is the minuscule amount of maltodextrin., not the label omission. I suspect that the labeling will be corrected.

[@ronoldow.6438]

@@patcomly180 However, they were still lying, and Dr Westman is condoning it.

[@patcomly180]

@@ronoldow.6438 I think he explained it, not condoned it.

[@ronoldow.6438]

@@patcomly180 Thanks for the comment. I still think he came off trying to explain something he would normally condemn. Sweating the small stuff is very important for a lot of people. He disappointed me greatly.

[@dajoj9730]

Dr Westman how about you answering these two questions , have you , or has any of your businesses been paid by lmnt ? People here are saying you have advertised for lmnt, is that right ?

[@shemcatherinemabongor7756]

The previous video on this channel was sponsored by LMNT. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoayZ4Cad8icpdEfeature=shared

[@EurithraPDaley]

Also 9.18.24 video on Intermittent Fasting (see first item in its Comments section).

[@homeremedies-blld]

"3:45 - Thank you for sharing! Very useful information, helping me better understand the benefits of electrolyte drinks. Looking forward to more interesting content from you! 🌟"

[@stevensevek6151]

The citric acid in the product is also inflammatory. It does not come from citrus fruit but it is manufactured citric acid and there is a pubmed article which discloses that it is inflammatory. In fact, sometimes products with citric acid give me headaches which is probably dependent on how much is in the product but they never tell you the amount.

[@fullfrontalgrace]

It's not about the amount of this or that Dr Westman, it's about integrity. Can we trust you, if you think the deception is diminished by the amount of carbs? Have you lost your mind? Again IT'S ABOUT INTEGRITY!!! What a deceptive day and age we live in!

[@mariad1151]

Westman's paid by them for advertising. He used ELMNT in their commercials

[@taniafuentez9588]

👏 👏

[@ronoldow.6438]

Well said. Dr Westman lost a lot of credibility here. I never thought that would happen.

[@Carnivore1959]

I kind of wondered as LMNT did spike my blood sugar 😞

[@LoriP123]

Love Dr. Westman because just like Dr. Atkins and other O.G’s, they focused on REAL food ingredients in ketogenic diets.

[@rochellet7303]

VERY helpful! Thank you, Dr. Westman and team! You always put out great, sensible content. And sometimes I need to be reminded. By the way, LMNT actually provides their recipe for the unflavored version ON their website. How cool is that? I make my own with Redmonds real salt, potassium chloride and magnesium following their recipe and (also one from Mary's Nest). Cheers to ya!

[@Knowledge-b6o]

THEY LIED. WHAT ABOUT THAT???? I’m NOT ok with that!!!!!

[@westoncaceres554]

Completely overblown - good point by Dr. Westman that even very low carb diets of 20g per day would be 20,000 mg. The amount of maltodextrin in each packet is minuscule. They should disclose but it really is minor - if less than 1g of sugar is destroying your health, there’s more that needs to be addressed than choice of electrolyte packet.

[@EurithraPDaley]

Dr. Westman has recently given plugs for LMNT (see his 9.18.24 video on Intermittent Fasting and the first item in its Comments section). Did LMNT ask/compensate him to make this video?

[@The_Victorius_One]

I think he did this video because he had recommended it and notice he did not have a promo for it in this one

[@saxgirlhornboy6458]

​@@The_Victorius_One He also didn't offer a disclosure.

[@CodyLandry]

Finding out LMNT had more maltodextrin in it than advertised pissed me off because it made me realize its processed food just like all the other processed food. So I stopped using it and actually did notice a huge difference. My sugar cravings went away completely. I've been carnivore for 2 years and still had waves of cravings periodically. Those are completely gone now. I dont' think that was from the stevia, I think it was from the the extremely high glycemic index value of the maltodextrin.

[@CoffeeNinjaJinxy]

Their choice to lie about "no dodgy ingredients " is what hurt them. I, for one, refuse to overlook shady practices and support it with more purchases.

[@carlsapartments8931]

I reject LMNT on price alone... ridiculous

[@jd01665]

What might be the reason I find myself not consuming ANY salt when I eat only raw beef? I am wondering why, before, when I was cooking the beef, that I found myself needing to salt it and even then, sometimes having leg cramps when waking up in the morning and thinking perhaps to add some Nigari for magnesium. Now, I am not salting and not cooking and finding the raw beef just amazing. That makes 5 years of carnivore for me and I'm very happy with the results but even more amazed now after 3 months of only raw beef and all these beautiful salts I've collected are going to just remain as decoration in my no longer needed kitchen... Don't even need a refrigerator anymore. I can just take out about 800g to 1kg of beef to thaw the night before and I have everything I will need to eat the next day. Zero electricity, zero carbs, zero toothpaste, seems almost better to just forget everything learned in school... if somebody can explain to me the salt and why, that would be amazing... Thank you.

[@a.k.3074]

Does that not show on the ingredients list?

[@KetoKrazy123]

It’s up to each individual to decide whether it’s truly an issue for them. I believe LMNT knew what they were doing, but if you look around at the rest of the food industry, they’re all doing the same thing-deception, false claims, and absurd marketing campaigns.

[@Chippoka]

Thanks for a pragmatic review to conclusion.

[@goldstar846]

LMNT sell this stuff on the selling slogan nothing bad in it. Not only is something bad in it, they fudged the numbers to get away with it. I watched the owner try to splain it away and he did a terrible job. Will now not buy LMNT JUST ON HIS BS EXPLANATION ALONE.

[@karenstasik2979]

Yes, I saw his interview with Dr Berry and I was appalled. He was being evasive, and though he admitted to what they had done, he also said they didn't know the amounts. What?? You sell a product you don't know what's in it?

[@goldstar846]

@karenstasik2979 yep. That's interview I'm talking about. He would have kept more customers if he had of said..SORRY... we will get back to the lab and do better. Please stick with us while we make this awesome product exactly what customers expect.

[@karenstasik2979]

@@goldstar846 agree

[@janiesippel225]

I use the Raw unflavored LMNT and I love it. I am assuming and hoping there is no maltodextrin, because it’s unflavored.

[@TimBocephus]

The manufacturers of the raw ingredients may not disclose they add maltodextrin for various reasons. The rules and regulations governing this disclosure need to be reformed. That's how you get hidden sugars

[@obamasgirl787]

I have 3 prescriptions worth in my cabinet. I am a very sensitive diabetic and I had some questions about why I started to urinate more frequently but I never connected it to LMNT. Now I’m going to cancel my subscription and give them away because I’m a carnivore right now now to get rid of my diabetes. So disappointed.

[@katiemiller6558]

Although I’m disappointed about them not initially being upfront I still like LMNT. The amount equates to 1/4 to 1/2 the amount of glucose of one egg and I’m okay with that. I guess it’s an individual choice. I don’t drink multiple packets a day & for those that do it may be of concern.

[@dajoj9730]

It's really not about the amount as much as it's there, and people need to know what they are ingesting. It need to be stated on the package.

[@katiemiller6558]

@@dajoj9730 It’s about both. I don’t disagree with you as my comment above states.

[@Kroh13]

@@dajoj9730then take it up with every place . Everything manufactured isn’t listing every ingredient .. I bet you slept on a mattress that has toxins in it you don’t know about .. all you can do is eat the best way you can . You are going to come across toxins daily .. the small amount in lmnt is really the least of anyone’s problem .. how about all the other toxins in the planet slowly killing people ..

[@Trthsker24]

It causes quite a quandary for all the channels including yours, as to which products you accept sponsorship from.

[@Travel_Fanatic24]

It's full of maltodextrin.

[@RoryLuciano]

I've never tried it as have you seen how expensive it is in the UK £50 for 30 servings that's extortionate and some will have 2 servings a day! What do people think of stevia?

[@debbiemalina]

I love LMTS flavors, but it is too expensive to drink on a regular basis .i have been making my own electrolyte with things I can buy from the grocery store.

[@kacyeleightly8838]

Watching this while drinking my coffee with LMNT in it 😊

[@Blacktop503]

I just bought the ingredients and make my own LMNT. They give you the recipe on their website.

[@MaryNelson-hg3gb]

Does the unflavored have sugars? Thats what I like because it’s not sweet.

[@trixieknits]

I’ll continue to use it.

[@pavman42]

Sh!+! 20 total grams/day?! No wonder I've been failing by capping my carbs @ 50 grams / day! Thanks for raising the bar! :D

[@jenniferolg]

It is life changing! As soon as I started to follow Dr. Westman’s program, I finally started to lose weight.

[@brianfritts4305]

Make your own. 20 oz of filtered water, 1/4 tsp Redmonds Real Salt, 1/8 tsp Nu-Salt Potassium, 1/16 tsp Magnesium Glycinate. A couple bottles a day a long with additional filtered water and youv should be goid to go.

[@vbachman6742]

I make my own too in approcimately the ratios you stated. I find it too salty which I won't drink, so I make it with more water per other ingredients. I also don't drink it daily - just when I feel the need.

[@lauriehapner7315]

I combine Redmonds salt and cream of tartar (potassium bitartrate) with my water, 1/4t each in about 24oz water. Not sure if this ratio is the best, but I get potassium without it being so salty like when adding Nusalt.

[@ketomixedchick5587]

I think the reason people are so upset is because it seems like they were trying to hide that aspect, but I agree with you that it's really not that big of a deal and if the product is helping you and not affecting you adversely, go ahead and continue using it.I know I will. I don't drink it all the time. I only drink it when I'm having muscle cramps or when i've gone off low carb, and I need to go back on to help with the transition. The only real problem I have with it is how much it costs it is expensive.

[@sallyharris1093]

So many influencers were advertising LMNT, I started using it. However, my A1C started creeping back up. I couldn’t figure out why. I was so good about limiting sugar and carbs and had reversed my prediabetes. Then I heard about the maltodextrin in LMNT. I stopped drinking it. I am genetically predisposed to Type 2 diabetes. The fact is that maltodextrin is high glycemic. I will see on my next doctor visit whether or not that was the culprit. But I would rather err on the side of caution.

[@suzannereeves7768]

I just bought four boxes, $100+, and threw them all out when this news hit!

[@angelagrant2943]

I got a refund. I'm so sorry

[@ImiChitterman]

Crap don't you have my address.. send them for me please

[@angelagrant2943]

@@ImiChitterman i would send mine to someone.

[@angelagrant2943]

I got $300 refund.

[@rodneybooth4069]

I had about 1/2 of a big box left plus the free chocolate kit they sent. It's all history.

[@leo.girardi]

The problem is not the amount, it's the Lie.