Adoration⎮Miraculous Ladybug Season 5 Review

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

I'll give Zoe this though. She's better at confessing her feelings than Marinette.

[@DruskyPup9954]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 you ain’t lying

[@ayoublahrach4169]

That ain't a high bar to pass

[@topgame2645]

Since Zoey didn't tell Marinette that she loved her, Marinette herself realized that she was in love with her.

[@kirongauff4934]

Straight forward without any complicated plans, unlike Marinette.

[@scullstationstudio8511]

Man your comparing a skyscraper (Zoe) to a pebble (marionette)

[@robinkarlsen7113]

zoe being confirmed as an 8th grader when the others are 9th graders literally confirms that audrey cheated on andré. i was hoping zoe was older so that wouldnt have to be the case. André is so wronged by his family, and is also quite mature about treating zoe like his own child after his wife cheated

[@beetrootsoup3130]

Wait she looks older than Marinette though ngl

[@blablex7222]

I actually think they split up and then got back together and Audrey got pregnant w Zoe during the time they weren't together anymore.

[@darkyami12141]

André is Zoe's stepfather in Collusion she calls him her stepdad while trying to talk to akumatized teacher

[@minyumonet4746]

@@moved18287you do realize that plays absolutely no factor in age right? I’m taller than my sister who’s 6 years older than me

[@randomscb-40charger78]

Wait, I thought Marinette and the other students were in tenth grade? I mean, in the Pharoah episode, Alya stated that the textbook Marinette had was a tenth grade history textbook, unless that was a translation error on the english translation department.

[@KayterinMaimay]

Am I the only one who got jumpscared by Gabriel coming out in the dark while watching the episode? 😭

[@julianmartinez4719]

Since i didn't see the episode, and i'm in my 5 minutes asshole fase of the day, i'll say yes.

[@madam_fox]

Re he heh he

[@alexandruulesan7009]

IKR, how could people laugh at that, that might be the creepiest scene in the show since the nightmare baby dolls from Jubilation

[@KayterinMaimay]

@@alexandruulesan7009 LMAO NOT THE BABIES

[@imanijoybassey3994]

@Gacha Maimay I know right I mean it was like one minute you're seeing two lovestruck teens about to kiss and then the next thing is Gabriel doing 'peekaboo' jumpscare in the dark with very poor lightning like the creepy grown man he is. That had spooked for sure and it's not even Halloween yet

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

The episode wasn't all bad, but it has many inconsistencies, like Sabrina refusing to steal because everything her father taught her even though she has already stolen before, or Marinete present her room to Zoe saying that she has never been there even though she has been in the fourth season. It's like the people who wrote this episode were emergency newbies who didn't have time to rewatch the show 😅

[@Anthyrion]

And if we would talk about the real world, none of the accusations would last long. The first thing, the real police would do, is taking fingerprints. And i would bet, that there are only fingerprints of Marinette on the cloth of her Parent's bakery. Maybe on the instruments of their friends band. But that's it. And after that, the whole case would be crumbling down. Also: I don't think an expellation from the school because of simple accusations would be possible

[@rawdasalmataman7908]

Like no This episode was that bad that these inconsistencies exist

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

Oh my gosh, how could I forget!? Of course! Darkblade! She stole Marinette's diary.

[@Hotgirlenergy]

I think Sabrina is little by little realizing that she should be doing what she’s doing so even if she has stolen before, she is coming to grips that it’s not the right thing to do But I can’t explain the other ones lol

[@Anthyrion]

@@Hotgirlenergy I already saw a leak from a upcoming episode, where Sabrina finaly realizes, that Chloe isn't her friend anymore (and when i look how abusive their relationship was in the past, i think, Chloe never saw Sabrina as a friend, but more as a slave)

[@eviljust9793]

Our boy Gorilla being accepted into the dinner table is one of the most wholesome things.

[@Layla_PlaysGames]

Fr

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

I know they just wanted to create drama, but seriously, how does everyone believe in Chloe without even a doubt and even expeling Marinette from school right away? How her own parents do not even doubt even though in the third season the same thing happened and it was proven that Marinete did nothing? They could at least remain serious in this scene. If I were Marinete I wouldn't trust any of these people in the same way anymore and would be very happy to leave that school...

[@SB-sd1sg]

I felt so fucking mad at that shithead principal for expelling Marinette for stealing shit like paper flowers??? BUT WHEN CHOLE GETS EXPOSED THEY ARE LIKE: OH OK NVM :))

[@TTWglobal]

Nah it’s called power of corruption

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

@@TTWglobal even for Anarka who doesn't care about these things?

[@howardyates4848]

Salt fics are canon

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

​@@howardyates4848 facts

[@VorpalVortex]

GABE POPPING OUT OF NOWHERE HAS THE SAME FEELING OF THAT ONE EPISODE OF COURAGE THE COWARDLY DOG WITH THAT EMBRYO SAYING "youre not perfect."

[@amidoshi1909]

It gives the same vibes as Toffee in the SVTFOE finale (I'm not gonna say which part since I don't wanna spoil it for anyone)

[@bee-18-ki]

you’re*

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

I really feel like Zoe having a crush on Marinette came out of nowhere. Same with Adrien liking Marinette in season 5. They deserve better! Also way too many people love Marinette!

[@scullstationstudio8511]

On my opinion it doesn’t feel like it came out of nowhere unlike Adrian did, because Marinette was her very first friend and trusted her Marinette open Zoe up have her make more friends Marinette sign her shoes

[@shreksyq]

Fr

[@billthecat22]

It's called tokenism.

[@DarkEmissary617]

Ikr it is getting out of hand. I honestly hope Smarty does a vid called everybody loves Marinette and how nearly everyone has had a crush on her at least once or so. It is getting ridiculous and as he even said there are others who don't have a lover yet.

[@victoree6680]

nah, Zoe was always there with her sapphic chemistry with Marinette. since her introductory episode, her and Marinette had this awesome dynamic and were super cute and wholesome. Zoenette genuinely makes more sense than Adrienette

[@little.prince]

When I was 14 I confessed to a friend who wasn’t into me. We remained friends. It’s been five years and we’re still close and even joke about it. It’s not that unrealistic, it does happen. Edit: Wow, I’m so glad so many of you guys have had a similar experience. Keep your friends close, I hope you have an incredible friendship 🩵

[@asa.ahmed2749]

Yeah! I’m 16 haha and I confessed to my best friend, but he rejected me lol. We’re still best friends today anyway

[@robinkarlsen7113]

i confessed to my best friend when i was 15 and it was weird between us for two months, then we got into contact again and now we're better friends than ever

[@doctorwhat779]

not unrealistic but it is pretty rare. most of time things just goes worse

[@Hepoxni]

I used to have a crush on my best friend multiple times and confessed to her like 5 years ago too, and it didn't affect our friendship at all, we actually became better friends afterwards she's the best BFF ever :D

[@Chiales]

Yep. When I was 13 a friend confessed to me and I didn't really change anything. I don't really get what the alternative would have been here, it's not like Marinette is like Chloe and would have made fun of her

[@Saturday6981]

Can we pls talk about Gabriel's horror appearance at the end there..., literal jumpscare😂😂😂

[@racheljackson4428]

This dude belongs with the Disney Villains. who agrees with me?

[@StevenDaze]

@@racheljackson4428 He IS a Disney Villian. This Show was Created by ZAG and Disney

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

For Marinete it's expulsion right away, but for Chloe is nothing, she literally walks away calmly without anyone saying a word 😑

[@TTWglobal]

Power of corruption

[@madam_fox]

Power of racism

[@alexandruulesan7009]

That's classism for you

[@jackts2375]

That's sexist for you

[@fav4825]

All of this comments are right and its sad 😭

[@xDeath35]

I think andre is a decent person when he isn't pressured into doing things that he doesn't want to do in the first place

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

He is an enabler. That's awful already.

[@millicentgordon5427]

He is a weak simp,but fair enough to say ye is decent

[@kanannerz8427]

He's a good guy who's too easy to persuade and who's so deathly afraid of disappointing his daughter and his toxic wife that he's willing to put aside morals to try to make them happy and love him. The mayor is kinda a tragic character in that way. It's his own fault, and yes it's horrible the things he'll allow to happen, but you've gotta kinda feel bad for him. His whole family only sees him as a tool / pet / way to raise their social status, and if he can't do what they want they'll hate him or abandon him for new York 😞

[@Wingedlight-nn4hl]

He’s a good person when not in the presence of Chloe or Audrey and is actually a caring father figure to Zoe despite being her stepfather cuz Audrey and Andre were still married when Audrey was pregnant with Zoe and is strongly implied that Audrey has an affair during her stay in NY and didn’t actually marry Zoe’s father Mr. Lee so it’s good that Andre doesn’t hold Audrey’s affair against Zoe cuz it’s technically not her fault.

[@millicentgordon5427]

@@Wingedlight-nn4hl agreed,this man is too much of a push over though,not only is he scared of disappointing his wife and daughter,he changed his name for a wife who basically cheated on him,I honestly liked the episode where they were arguing with each other at least he kind of stood up for himself

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Honestly I could see Marinette and Zoe as sisters before I saw them as dating. Their personalities are super similar.

[@Momoe_Nagisa]

Their style is very similar too

[@keriannekerr1876]

Ever since someone somewhere suggested that Zoe was a time-travelling Emma Agreste that's ALL I've been able to see her as. As in "Zoe" got the cat miraculous and Plagg's loyalty so quickly because in the future she's the next holder, I saw her interaction with Scarabella as auntie-niece, and her interaction here as mother-daughter. I know it's not supported by the words spoken but I in my personal life want better family bonds so I see familial love everywhere before I ever consider romantic love (which is non- existent in our household so I wouldn't know how to understand it outside of reading stories.) As for how if "Zoe" is Emma then how is she impersonating Audrey's daughter? Simple, as we see in this episode, Audrey can't tell anyone from anyone else. There probably is a real Zoe but Audrey would have forgotten her age and not contact her regularly enough to know that the real Zoe is still in New York. Therefore, I've been watching these 2 seasons expecting something to happen that "Zoe" intervenes and reveals herself but it didn't happen in Transmission so that fun idea has all but passed.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@keriannekerr1876 The show has a serious writing problem when it comes to development and being convuluted (a dozen miraculous, Chloe's tossed redemption arc, Adrien's lack of screentime, Marinette being hypocritical, etc.), so I never would've gussed about the time travel theory. I usually don't indulge in theories without proof--and that goes DOUBLE for this show. My ideal version of this show would be vastly different from what it is now. And question: since you said you can't understand the romantic feelings in the show, do you not enjoy romantic aspects in the media, and how do you feel about the show pushing Adrien and Marinette together?

[@Mahipalyaduvanshi_04]

​@@keriannekerr1876if zoe is marinette and adrien's daughter then why didn't she met adrien! She never had this kind of interaction with him as she has with marinette! She got her hair and eyes from adrien and as you said she's gonna be the next holder of cat miraculous then why didn't she ever thought of sharing some time with her father?

[@hjuoowou560]

wait zoe has a personality??!?!?!?!?

[@gabrielcutter3484]

I think Zoe is actually the only person that would be okay confessing her feelings to Marinette because she already knows that Marinette is in love with Adrian. Not to mention that in the beginning of Emotion that she will support Marinette no matter what The funny part of Sabrina given the dog miraculous and that she was able to keep up was to really fetch the item to help frame Marinette

[@sinistethic2897]

i hate how they didnt give Marinette any chance to explain anything and immediate expulsion. But when Chloe is found out literally little to no one apologises- and there is no punishment

[@heckerlil6171]

Well if it was made correctly, this is a good way to make us hate chloe. Giving her no consequences to her actions. But I feel like marinette is a Mary Sue in this scenario. They are trying so hard to make her feel “victimised” to the point it’s not realistic. If it was more relastic like an investigation actually happened and all evidence points to marinette it would make more sense.

[@sinistethic2897]

@@heckerlil6171 true

[@sinistethic2897]

@@heckerlil6171 tbh they did this a lot of times throughout the show. Very unsatisfying

[@ChileItzKatara]

All these ppl liking Marinette is giving major Velma(Mindy) vibes and how all her "friends" have a crush on her

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Oh. Ohhh god.

[@-Secret]

Except Marinette proves to be likable and kind to her friends unlike Velma. She makes mistakes, but she always tries to make things right when she feels she is in the wrong, she also does things for others, it's not always them doing things for her. Velma on the other hand is not only ugly, she's mean, selfish, a hypocrite, dumb, arrogant, egotistical, and so on and so forth, there aren't any good qualities about her, and they never give a valid reason for anyone to be friends with Velma let alone have a crush on her. Marinette having people like her is way more Believable

[@chatastrophic]

@@-Secret i can't really say anything about the velma part since i haven't really watched the show but i definitely agree with you besides that!! marinette's good qualities are attractive to others which makes sense

[@ChileItzKatara]

@@-Secret The only problem I have w her is that she broke multiple laws to stalk Adrien (without any real punishment) otherwise she's a decent Marysue

[@-Secret]

@@ChileItzKatara I 100% agree with you. Interestingly enough that was indeed a flaw with her, but it's unfortunate that her stalking habits stopped when she simply had no time to stalk him, was trying to convince herself she wasn't in love with him, and when she finally got him. There could have been more growth, or her being held accountable for her actions

[@nangbaby]

My issue with this episode was the lack of continuity with other episodes. Everything from Chloe suddenly being super-territorial about the hotel lobby to Vanisher suddenly becoming a willful pawn of Chloe and Lila instead of wanting to target *them* for revenge (Vanisher got her powers because she felt invisible) really seemed off from a character perspective. I get the idea they want to push is "adoration" can make you do some crazy things, but they really bent the characters to tell this story. Plus, while LGBT rep is good, why does yet another character have to fall for Marinette? Wouldn't it have been more fitting if Zoe was actually into Sabrina and Marinette mistakenly *thought* the target of Zoe's crush was herself. Sadly that would have come from out of nowhere, but it would make sense if Sabrina and Zoe bonded over Chloe's mistreatment.

[@glimmerstantroop46321]

That's excactly what I was thinking, Zoe falling for Sabrina would actually make sense and unlike this, would probably be referenced in the future. Since Chloè is beyond redemption, they better have Sabrina break free from her, their relationship has become less "tsundere" and more "genuinely abusive". If they wanted LGBT reps. Jule/Rose and Marc/Nate are right there, Juleka and Rose have had that energy ever since season 2 and they are amazing freinds to each other and are the only ones who understand each others conditions + Juleka feels comfortable around Rose in comparison to the rest of the class. Marc and Nate would make a good pair if they just got more screentime too.

[@sammig.8286]

I actually thought this show was against having LGBT representation, because Juleka and Rose were established as really good friends rather than lovers. Honestly, it felt like LGBTQ just didn't exist in this universe, like everyone was heteronormative regardless of how close a friendship they had. That was until Zoe showed up. I agree, having a crush on Sabrina rather than Marinette would have worked better.

[@Omnislash7]

What I’d love to know is, on a practical level, what exactly was the point of this episode? They had already had ships that paired both Adrian and Marrinette with others only to sink them instantly after they came to fruition and have been fully headed towards Adrinette ever since to the point that the love square that contained only Marinette, Adrian and themselves was all that was left. So on a meta level what was the point of giving Zoe a crush on Marinette that had zero chance of happening this late in the game? Even if it was to give Zoe some substance, why have it be with a character that they aren’t already having tied up in their OTP?

[@alpaca6462]

Because they can't have rose and juleka be canon without losing the Chinese audience so the wanted to put a gay character in somewhere that would be easy to dub over

[@lxyipop23]

@@alpaca6462 what do you mean by chinese audience?

[@alpaca6462]

@@lxyipop23 the show airs in china

[@SonicSpeedGaming759]

If both Gabriel and Nathalie were to die I think Felix and Amelie will just move into the Agreste manor so then Adrien doesn't have to leave his friends and also so Felix can be closer to Kagami

[@delianazare2553]

That sounds amazing, but I don't want Natalie to die ..... She has done pretty unspeakable things but she deserves a second chance because she started to care a lot more for Adrien's happiness and wellbeing than Gabriel and his plans. He deserves to die

[@clo.9ud]

It’s the fact you are completely correct

[@BreadBush]

Godd job prediting that tragedy, cant wait for adrian to continue suffering as a side character in marinettes shadow Fr he shouldve been the main chatacter

[@Amatareesu]

No adrien will move to england.

[@SB-sd1sg]

Istg this is so random... Like Zoe just randomly starts hinting tht she likes Marinette when there was no hints in the previous episodes... Like why not build it up or whatever. Like season 5 is good but it just rushes shit that should have build up seasons ago. Also Gab randomly poking out when they were about to kiss freaked me out 😭

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

EXACTLY! Zoe's crush on Marinette comes out of nowhere! And why does everyone love Marinette?! Meanwhile Adrien is stuck being shipped with Marinette?! That's a fate worse than death!

[@SB-sd1sg]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian Lmao fr it's like marinette being a stalker makes her more loveable??? 😂

[@elinasakura]

In my opinion, I think it was hinted in Transmission, Deflagration, and Perfection that Zoé was not happy with the Adrienette set-up and that might have hinted she had a crush on Marinette

[@michalelkin-bronner13]

​@Feligami Adrizoe Powser Huntlow TOH Krazyshipping marc max mylene juleka rose alya sabrina kim don't have a crush on marinette and nath and Nino don't have a crush on her anymore and many people have a crush on adrien not just marinette

[@michalelkin-bronner13]

​@Feligami Adrizoe Powser Huntlow TOH Krazyshipping marc max mylene juleka rose alya sabrina kim don't have a crush on marinette and nath and Nino don't have a crush on her anymore and many people have a crush on adrien there both the main charcters so makes sense everyone will have a crush on them

[@split776]

I'm happy Zoe is canonically queer because... yeah, duh, but it's so disappointing that her crush is Marinette. At the start of the episode I thought she was crushing on Scarabella giving how they flirted in Kwamis' Choice pt. 1, then Zoe blushed when she saw Marinette and Alya and I was so excited but then the show had to let me down like always. Not in a "waaah but muh ship" way, I just don't think Zoe's bond with Marinette is special in any way, I don't see any difference between they friendship and Zoe's interactions with the other girls in class, whereas with Alya she already had that moment as Kitty Noire

[@Ryko175]

I can’t remember the episode but did she know who scarabella was?

[@kirongauff4934]

It's nice to see Adrien's bodyguard sitting at the table with them. I wonder if he likes to eat banana pie for dessert?🍌🥧

[@ladypool1404]

Zoe's affection for Marinette came out of nowhere. We never saw that she was in love with her since she appeared, not even seeing her blush when she talked to Mari or being shy when they hold hands. Also, if the teen loved her all this time why she confessed only now? Zoe is not affraid of sharing her feelings with others. I don't know this character a lot but i'm sure the girl is brave. At least she isn't jealous of Adrien and won't forced him to eat with her like Chloe did, she is boring but polite 😂

[@chatastrophic]

zoe did actually blush a little in sole crusher when they first met, but even then just because someone doesn't blush or act shy around their crush doesn't mean they can't be in love? also im pretty sure that since zoe knew marinette was in love with adrien she probably thought she didn't really have much chance and so there would be no point in confessing + in the beginning zoe was going to give up on her at first anyways until andre encouraged her

[@Mathivich]

It's clearly just astrucs way of trying to get us to care about zoe, I honestly can't feel anything for zoe, because she feels like she only exists to replace chloe, zoe doesn't matter, I used to love Chloe but but now I don't care about her, because she's wasted because Thomas is ridiculous

[@solidSnake4580]

Her whole character came out of nowhere. Edit: And she she doesn’t even have any character. She’s just here to be Chloe’s replacement and it sucks.

[@denizkaragullu6239]

I think their first interactions during Sole Crusher was pretty flirty ngl. I even shipped them a little bit back then. Also, I think Disney can't put it so openly and that's why she didn't blush and stuff

[@MeemahSN]

@@denizkaragullu6239 Don’t even bring Disney up. They’re the reason Juleka’s and Rose’s relationship was never actually mentioned within the show.

[@000Dragon50000]

Everyone being so chill with people having feelings for others lends a lot of weight to polyamorous fanfics of Miraculous lol. Except Nino I guess.

[@jackelsupreme666]

EXCRUTIATING EVIDENCE, that Adrian is a sentimonster. That's what this episode is, evidence

[@victoree6680]

Zoe always had sapphic chemistry with Marinette imo. ever since her introductory episode, her and Marinette had this awesome dynamic where and were super cute and wholesome. Marinette helped Zoe settle into a completely new setting - a different country, new school, new people and helped her stand up to chloe's bullying and pretty much abuse. Zoenette genuinely makes more sense than Adrienette

[@opase]

PREACHHH!!!!

[@felipeveloso1578]

Her color scheme is literally the pansexual flag. People don't even try

[@notoriouslysky]

​@@felipeveloso1578 💀 ok

[@cheribitch5396]

no it doesn’t lmao, they barely interact and you know that the ship / Thomas got no talent astruc would show and lgbtq couple on screen, like y’all looking for queer things when there simply was never any implications in the first place

[@chatastrophic]

i think adrienette is pretty similar though, marinette has been severely bullied by chloe for years and when she met adrien she assumed he was a bully too; but yet he was still kind and gave marinette his umbrella even though she misjudged him. i feel like that really touched her since he went out of his way to do all of that for her and she probably wasn't ever really treated with that amount of kindness before. but other than that though i agree!!

[@autumn3686]

Adrien being a senti monster is no surprise anymore

[@josemacias8010]

Sadly:(

[@millicentgordon5427]

The hints were already way too obvious,people rejected it because they didnt want to accept it

[@stefaniarusso]

​@@josemacias8010 agree

[@StevenDaze]

Yea- I've come to believing it. Prediction of why he exists as a Sentimonster: Gabriel and/or Emily are Infertile so they used the Peacock Miraculous to create Adrien

[@craigpeoples9883]

Crud he's gonna die isn't he

[@KanaHyoshi]

A trampoline at a school dance?! My school acted like balloons and a student's laptop was gonna destroy the budget.

[@littlesparrow303]

Vanisher using her new power was so cool. I hate that stupid people in Paris still believe Chloe. Zoe saying she had love at first sight is so BS because the signs would have been obvious from the start. I agree that Marinette & Zoe talking in her room all mature didn't feel like middle/high schoolers. Those Zoenette shippers will be going wild for this on Twitter sadly.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

We are in hell. Basically.

[@brodypl5804]

So I am the only one here who likes the ship huh

[@littlesparrow303]

@@brodypl5804 well there are other people who do but not a lot. The signs weren’t there until this episode. For those who never noticed the fandom talking about the ship they would notice in this episode. For me if Marinette was into girls it would be Fei or Kagami. Which people do agree on

[@cheribitch5396]

@@littlesparrow303 I think it’s funny how Thomas / show writers / it was confirmed they would never fully show rose & juleka/ mark and Nathaniel ‘s as queer couples on screen fully and not just subtly but when it comes to Zoe the ultimate mary sue and useless character they’ll show her confess to a girl on screen? Like I’m crying I hate this show man, like man this show blows

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@brodypl5804 If you like the ship. That's totally fine. That's your call and opinion. And we have no right to judge you for it. ^^

[@mosesmm5473]

Hold up, doesn't Zoe know that Marinette has a crush on Andrian? Pretty sure the whole class knows, so it was doomed from the start.

[@haliehope7067]

this makes me curious if the writers even watch the seasons to know what is canon

[@MeemahSN]

Or if they even know what they’re writing about

[@goros2289]

To be honest the most sensible person in the show that’s left is Chloé… Like yeah marinette has proven time and time again that she is a terrible person and deserves to be exposed at least once, and Zoe is literally implied to be the daughter of Audrey’s affair with another man. Chloe disliking Zoe so much is actually very understandable in context

[@marcorizzoni9766]

It would understandable to hate Audrey for cheating her dad. It would make no sense to hate the child that was in no ways responsable for that. Or even existed when it happened. Instead she worships Audrey and hates one of the VICTIMS of her affair (to the the bastard unrecognized child of an affair makes her a victim, getting the stigma and the lack of one parent growing up. Not that having Audrey as an active mother presence in her life would be an improvement, just look at Chloe…)

[@clarisacalderon9555]

@@marcorizzoni9766 I mean your right on alogic standpoint but chloe is basically a spoiled child who doesnt really run on logic...she runs on emotions. her mom is succesful and strong and well admired while andre is mayour he tends to spoil chloe and gets pushed around by the mom which reinfores the idea that chloe would want to be the mom rather than the dad. chloe also loved her mom but then her mom left when chloe was young...probably to young to fully get why. and zoey was the daughter that actually got to be with the mom in paris. wanting attention from your parents is logical for a child to want. and yes andre was there for chloe..but andre tends to spoil chloe without giving real guidance because he is busy being mayour(and lets face it andre isnt a good person either) and it just enphasized that she WASN'T getting the affection or attention she wants from her mom. yes WE understand its the mom who is horrible and that zoey wasn't treated well and is just as much a victim of the situation...but on a emotional level it might have felt like the mom left due to zoey and it doesnt change from chloe's perspective zoey was with the mom while chloe wasnt. not to mention zoey has returned and while chloe is still 100 percent in the wrong.....from chloe's perspective everyone in the class likes zoey better as well and zoey has kindness come more easily to her and has the understand that chloe doesn't really have. chloe knows what kindness and goodness is in a way...but chloe honestly didnt REALLY understand it to the point some of her greatest progress wasthrough a butler helpig her to try to be nice to not disappoint her teddybear who in chloe's eyes was there for her properly. chloe at times WANTS to be good but doesnt GET it. and due to the influence of her parents burnsthe bridges of the few attempts to get through to her. zoey actually seems to understand. so your right that zoey doesnt deserve the hate from chloe...on the other hand emotions are not logical and from chloe's emotions zoey is better liked by theclassmates, has a easyier time understand stuff chloe struggles with and had the time with the mom and chloe had wanted and zoey's existence probably did cause a rift between the parents that probably made it easier for the mom to just leave. WE see its obvious zoey wasnt treated well by the mom either...but its not like chloe actually really knows zoey very well...abd now zoey is here is paris and is better liked after chloe was already feeling at her lowest and doubling down and what she finds more familar for comfort after chloe was influence and cornered by hawkmoth into giving into him and betraying ladybug by a master manipulator...manipulating her feelings. made even worse when WE know zoey waschosen as her replacment for the bee...which while a better fit...was kindof fucked up and and even zoey was concerned about chloe's feelings if chloe ever found out...but it still stands the sense of being replaced. and adrien was siding with zoey when chloe was hurting......it made sense sijnce it doesnt erase chloe is in the wrong...but on a emotional scale its not that weird fo her to hate on zoey considering circumstances when chloe already loved her mom nf you dont WANT to hate or blame to people you love or admire.

[@clarisacalderon9555]

@@moved18287 i don't really get the 'her friends don't trust her' thing? like when it comes to lila its not like they were against mari...like...maybe that time when lila lied mari out of the school...but lila created evidence and some actively tried to prove her innocence. and that time inreards to adrien leavving and not believing when she said he didnt want to go made sense because adrien had hid that feeling from the other friends...including his best friend. and even though the friends were wrong on that...mari HAS acted odd about adrien leaving the country before epsicaly when another person is involved...like when mari followed him to hongkong(though she at least had a good cover story) or when she reacted to him going on a trip with kagami to london. even back in chameleon it wasnt as if they were against mari...lila keot distracting them but also marinette from giving the proper information and asfar as they knew that was the first time mari met lila doesnt exactly mean they don'ttrust her. though i do think you ARE iright mari has been going through alot and people need t give her a break as she isnt worth ALL this hate. the show doesnt really adress her actual flaws all that well s mari isnt the most sensative person to others or putting herself in others shoes...but she when she realizesshe messes up does always feel bad and tries to do better to fix things. mari is still a good person

[@JuniorGustabo]

Chloe is wasted potential like everything else in this series.

[@joshuamerriweather2861]

Zoe having a crush on Marinette makes no sense and is not hinted at as Zoe has had little screen time. It came out of nowhere and is a waste of story/plot

[@rosewilson7393]

Show with Zoe legit feels like fanfic

[@garthdavis4320]

The LGBTQ thing is everywhere these days.

[@Pteriidae]

I'd say Zoe's feelings felt as abrupt as her sudden appearance in the show itself but they were handled in a somewhat more believable way. Nice to see André being a decent dad once in a blue moon though he's still such a pushover, sigh. Watch him completely flip and bend over backwards to satisfy Chloé's every whim the next time a chance presents itself. All in all, while I don't really feel one way or another about this development, I don't exactly understand what the purpose of this episode was. Could have used a stronger connection to the overarching plot, perhaps.

[@alexandruulesan7009]

I mean, it did push Marinette into finally telling Adrien she loves him

[@Pteriidae]

@@alexandruulesan7009 True, but I think you can agree it could be handled in a more compelling manner than this.

[@brodypl5804]

"Nice dad" I mean yeah but too bad he couldn't be a nice dad to his actual child and instead treats this new suprise daughter like one.

[@cheribitch5396]

@@alexandruulesan7009 the only thing Zoe (aka mary sue #2) did right

[@theskystarbell9566]

@@cheribitch5396 I disagree that Zoe is a Marry Sue because one of the problems she face is standing up to her half sister and at first she had a hard time fitting in saying she feels like she’s playing different roles and can never be her true self. She doesn’t have as much flaws as other characters in the series but she does have problems that she faces

[@nobodyofknowhere973]

I feel like everytime people have a crush on marienette it came out of nowhere. Shes a full on mary sue harem protag at this point

[@morangoshake]

12:10 I got jumpscared when I was watching that scene hahahah but I agree that it was pretty funny, poor Adrien and Marinette tho. I think in season 5 it's the first time I see Adrien LOOK so mind controlled by his father

[@TrueLucinova]

While it was certainly a little clumsy on the writing side, I don't think Zoe's feelings necessarily came "out of nowhere" like some seem to feel; it's fair enough if it really felt that way to them, but I feel like it was at least loosely set up for S5, even if not in S4 - her interactions with Marinette this season have always... stood out, in a way, and this contextualizes that for me In either case, I do think the source of those feelings is reasonable enough, especially considering how I was as a teenager. I'd also like to add that, for what it's worth, I did stay friends with my own ex throughout high school as well

[@lashizzal7095]

At first I thought it was nice to see Zoe finally have more development to her character, but then they turned it around to serve right back to Marinette confessing her feelings to Adrian. I get it it's a show all about them, but it would be nice if the writers could focus on their side characters instead of just making their development only to serve alongside the love plot. This kinda also came off as a bit queer baiting since OF COURSE the ship wouldn't sail.

[@Enderstorm20]

Along with the powers they ask for, all of the Butterfly Miraculous holders' champions get enhanced physical abilities as a bonus. This has been a thing ever since season 1. Lady Wi-Fi powers come from her phone yet she was still able to put up a good fight even after her Wi-Fi was taken away. Same for other villains.

[@Aaliyah.204]

“C*ckblock his son” I laughed WAY TOO MUCH 😂

[@leoniemelodie7]

Just watched the episode, I was shocked in a good way. Even tho the reveals might not make sense (and it's a bit annoying that everyone falls for Marinette) it was really cool and I love DRAMA. Anyways, WHAAAAT, Sentimonster Theory almost confirmed???

[@cheribitch5396]

I’m more pissed that they’ll never show rose and juleka or mark and Nathaniel being openly queer on screen and stuff but miss zoe Mary sue gets to confess to a girl on screen ? like and once again marinette-sue gets another person in love with her, and it’s fact they never showed or hinted Zoe liked her ever even when she was introduced this is what we call.. ☺️CONTRIVED WRITING☺️

[@leoniemelodie7]

@@cheribitch5396 Yes maybe, of course there are issues with this. I also hope Rose x Juleka and Mark x Nathaniel's stories were told, that'd be even better. I'll stay optimistic and hope that they might do it one day.

[@imanijoybassey3994]

Ok so I'd like to point out the fact Marinette's own parents and the adults believed Chloe's false accusations, the same Chloe who has repeatedly gotten Marinette in trouble and for the same crime that she was accused of in the third season? Yeah I think realistically I would take Batman's motto of trusting no one from there. And I agree with you Smarty about that Gabriel jumpscare, I found it funny and shocking at the same time but subconsciously we all knew that kiss wasn't going to happen in front of Gabriel's mansion and the man himself. Honestly felt bad for the two kids, Adrien leaving Marinette alone awkwardly and creepy and Marinette being in between surprise and disappointment. Good episode though as you have said.

[@ToasytBread]

11:29 THIS IS LITERALLY SO FUNNY TO ME I SWEAR as a teenager, I can confirm that our friendships totally do not get awkward when someone confesses and we totally do not get jealous if our crush likes someone else and we're totally real mature and fine about it because we're totally not in that stage of life in where we're known to be VERYYY emotional (if someone somehow can't tell, yes I'm being sarcastic)

[@faithcoles1166]

Of course Zoe is in love with Marinette, who would’ve seen THAT coming 🙄 I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t add another wasted love interest character with no personality to fall in love with one of the worst main characters known to TV 😂❤

[@faithcoles1166]

That’s wasn’t the point of what I said. There is nothing wrong with the concept it’s just the execution of these love-interest characters. Some if not all of them are just there to be in love with the main character and have no personality of their own. In fact, the main character also needs some work. I know there working on her now, it’s just not my taste tho. But to each their own, yknow? 👍 also quick side note: Marinette is now getting development i just feel that it was a little too late for me to root for her anymore because all of the things that she did that was wrong and then some were even justified and not corrected when it needed to be. I feel like most of if not all of the writing for the characters, even the show itself is just forced and “development” only happens because the plot said so not because it was character driven. Take Chloe for example. She had actual character development that felt organic to the character and the story. But the writers forced her character assassination all because the creator of the show hates her. Why give her development only to take it away in the end? It’s a waste of time when we could’ve had episodes to further develop other characters and the, I don’t know…. ACTUAL PLOT OF THE SHOW??? I mean the main love interest literally for most of the show was toxic and then all of a sudden it gets developed after 5 whole seasons of waiting for them to actually be a normal healthy couple and the writers expect people to care after waiting for something good to invest in? I don’t think so. 👍

[@rosewilson7393]

​@@faithcoles1166shows going downhill tbh in my opinion. If they were gonna create a character to love Marinette couldn't they just keep Luka on the show? Like wasn't he supposed to be the love rival of Adrien. Plus Luka is a great character and very trustworthy. Frankly the whole Zoe character is disappointing for me cause she just spured out of nowhere and was immediately trusted with a miraculous when not even alya got one that quickly and she was Marinettes best friend. Plus I find Zoe suspicious, like something seems off. Random character shows up out of nowhere, no foreshadowing about her, wants to be an actress, and 'acts the way people want her to',, we don't see about her past we hear about it, trusted with a miraculous on their second episode and their costume resembles a wasp which aren't really sweet and friendly. Part of me feels like her being sweet and could be an act. Like what if she was a Lila to us the audience. Like audience= classmates creators=Adrien and Marinette who know Lila's true nature

[@kaleyahgilbert9840]

I wanna know what deal Gabe has with Kagami’s mom to the point where he’s this invested in his teenage son’s love life as if dating Marinette or Kagami now means they’d be together forever

[@B-eign]

Just wanna point out something,when zoe says that the reason she's not afraid anymore is because of Marinette. Defo did that just to charm her. Cause despite how nice Marinette has been, plague was the one who helped her stand up for herself. It only took a few exchanges of dialogues between plague and Zoe,then she was just able to drag Chloe back to her seat. Also did you not notice how funny Gabriel was when he walked back into the shadows at the end. He was literally doing a tip toe walk🤣🤣🤣

[@steveseven3206]

The character of Zoe made a strange impression on me from her introduction in the series, a bit like her fanfiction characters that you intrude into the protagonist's group and who quickly become the hero's best friend... Except that here it is Thomas Astruc who writes the fanfiction! Why did Zoe have to be Chloe's hidden half-sister, set aside to be Chloe's reverse mirror?

[@hannahbarley61]

Zoe having feelings for marionette honestly came out of no where. I don't remember there being any build up to this in previous episodes. I like the storyline but I doubt that it'll be expanded on and most likely forgotten

[@Mrcleanfrfr]

Not really, I mean Marionette was Zoe's first friend

[@hannahbarley61]

@blixxie.1273 but there was never any hints that she was romantically interested in Marinette. It was more like they were good friends and that was it

[@jendoe9436]

It’s something annoying I’ve noticed when it comes to female friendships these days. Gals are naturally more outgoing and expressive, especially with their other gal friends. Can’t tell ya the number of times my friends and I were/are so open around each other in public. Yeah we love each other, in a very platonic way and don’t have any issues distinguishing friendship from romance, familial, etc. However, these days no two characters can ever be purely platonic 🙄 I can see Zoe admiring and appreciating Marionette for being her first friend in France, but I really don’t like how they quickly turned those emotions from good friendship to crush levels 🙄 it’s so annoying to see and just adds to the nonsense of Mari being “oh so loved, and good, and pure” blah blah 😒 If Zoe had developed a crush on another girl I would roll my eyes at the obvious pandering, but wouldn’t really care. But since Mari is already such an energy sucking character I find it more like the writers expanding Mari’s harem than as any sort of character for Zoe.

[@felipeveloso1578]

@@jendoe9436 The show contradicts your whole theory with Alya's entire character.

[@felipeveloso1578]

@@jendoe9436 Same sex friendships are everywhere, you choose to ignore them because gay relationships bother you. "Obvious pandering" grow up

[@leoniemelodie7]

I also couldn't help but laugh when Gabe backed out in the shadows 😭 I'd say the episode was a bit messy with the pacing, but it was nice. It is kind of a big deal to have a girl confess to another girl on a kids show, and Miraculous is watched in the whole world, so I found that kind of a significant step from the Miraculous writers. There wasn't really a lgbt character explicitly stated (even though we know Juleka and Rose and the emo character that likes to write stories...). Yeah, it's a good thing.

[@notoriouslysky]

Don't worry I'm sure that part of the episode will get edited out in most countries

[@leoniemelodie7]

@@notoriouslysky Okay, still, many people watch it illegally on line and would see the full episode.

[@pescuezoee]

@@leoniemelodie7 ok so 💀 that’s their problem brah

[@leoniemelodie7]

@@pescuezoee ??? Did you understand the context of my reply or... Anyways...

[@ethantay4630]

Of corse Zoe and Andre ge tot know oen another…it’s liek she’s andres replacement daughter, the one he never had even though he has Chloe who he neglects constantly

[@bluebird1914]

Honestly. I know that the narrative keeps trying to frame Andre as "actually a good guy" But it's impossible to see him as that, when he continues to blantently make the choice to neglect Chloe. Like I've yet to see a scene or dialogue or just anything, that hints at the fact that there's a relationship between Andre and Chloe. It honestly seems like he never even tried to get to know Chloe, let alone be a parent to her. Shame that they're probably not going to do anything with it. It would've been so cool if Andre getting closer to Zoe inspired him to step up and actually be a parent to Chloe, and also to divorce Audrey in the process.

[@ethantay4630]

@@bluebird1914 the worst part is that andre is gonna get off scot free with his negligent parenting. hes gonna live wih perfectzoe in a perfect apartment where they can become a perfec family while chloe and audre are kicked out! ande should have done the more responsible thing and divorced audrey, and taken chloe as full custody, that woman is a terrible parent. let alone a cheating one

[@user-nw7pe8hp8o]

Bro really doesn't give a fuck about Chloe's issues and just feeds her ego then turns around and suddenly becomes a caring parent to Zoe😭he doesn't even acknowledge it he just says that chloe is a brat and that she should stay with her abuser while zoe is a cute mew mew who did nothing to deserve a mother like audrey and that he likes her better😭😭😭😭like bro zoe is like that just because she wasn't raised by a babyman servant and a selfish idiot

[@bluebird1914]

@@ethantay4630 He should've! The dude just sits there as Audrey with about as much subtlety as a glass shattering on a wooden floor, insults or belittles Chloe. Like for someone who's such a simp, he is surprisingly cold to Chloe. If anything, he should be an extremely doting dad because not only is Chloe their daughter, but she's basically a mirror image of Audrey personality wise. I seriously want to know what happened to Andre that makes him not divorce Audrey. I mean he does on some level know that you're not supposed to treat people like that, and that he prefers people like Zoe who treat him nicely. So why hasn't he A: Actually sat down with Audrey and been like "Hey, I don't like how you treat me and our daughters. If you don't stop acting like that I'm divorcing you and taking the kids.' or B: Just divorce her on the spot. I mean what is he scared of? I'd understand if he had a different job and maybe he was scared of a famous celebrity slandering his name. But he's the mayor, he's more famous than Audrey.

[@ethantay4630]

@@bluebird1914 lemme say , I’ve seen the spoilers,Andre dose divorce Audrey, but not in the way you expect …it’s not satisfying at all to see

[@ivanivanov8497]

If Zoe is Chloe’s little sister and stepdaughter of Andre, does that mean that Audrey has cheated on Andre?

[@Kensuke22]

I won't be so surprised...

[@brodypl5804]

Pretty much yeah. Guess Audrey just had an affair with Zoe's father a year after Chloe was born.

[@riotkitty]

Yes, yes it does. She cheated on her husband abroad when they had a baby at home. It’s so glossed over it drives me up the wall.

[@michaelsarmiento3362]

I wonder who Mr. Lee is, what relationship he had with Zoe, and is Mr. Lee a better parent to Zoe Lee than Andre Burguoise.

[@kiddiewinnierobloxgaming6449]

​@@michaelsarmiento3362maybe master fu

[@tonythunder6048]

So is Astric just screwing with us? He keeps saying Adrien isn’t a sentimonster but that was the most sentimonster like thing Gabe made Adrien do this season besides when he was stuck in his room. And I swear if it turns out the clothes or something Adrien wears are sentimonster sand they force him to move in the direction Gabe wants, I’m gonna riot and call a bunch of bs

[@springdemon.w.]

I honestly think the writers just took the fan theory bc it was better than what they could think of for a plot and drama. And to shut up people who want equal focus on Adrien/Cat Noir to Lb/Marinette

[@cheribitch5396]

@@springdemon.w. yeah exactly, they literally added chat blanc in cause it was a popular fan theory, lmfaoo Thomas the laziest and most entitled man I’m dying

[@riotkitty]

@@springdemon.w.If this is confirmed, I would think so as well, and it would retroactively would make the villains complete idiots. Astruc has to check what he has written previously, because on the surface while this fan theory might seem cool, beneath it would be complete and utter incompetence from those that are considered villains or antagonists.

[@googleitlol6590]

Gabriel in the void isn’t real, Gabriel in the void can’t hurt you. Gabriel in the void: 12:10

[@Saturday6981]

I really love this episode..., 9.5/10😅 There was some great stuff in it. What I liked: - the animation was just so GOOD..., I'm impressed at how consistent the animation is, especially with these episodes: 516: Protection 517: Adoration 518: Emotion 519: Pretension 520: Revelation - i like that we got more from Zoe in this episode and in this season overall, her role in this show is getting bigger - i was a bit afraid about the scene were Zoe confesses her love for Marinette. I don't have a problem with lgbtq+ characters..., but I was nervous that it might come across as forced or unreal, but I was really surprised at how well they handled it. I'm not a woman or gay, but I thought it was quite authentic, so yeah, I thought that scene was really good - the family scene with Gabriel and Nathalie was just great😂..., I love how Nathalie just keeps being the queen of the show. She was great👍🏼 - WOW. I'm so happy that we are seeing a lot from Lila this season..., she will most likely be the next big villain, so I'm glad that she's appearing more often before she gets that role..., cause in S4 we pretty much didn't see anything from her. Lila, yet again, proofs how smart she is... - The dynamic between Chloe and the akumatized villain was really interesting. We never saw such a relationship between a akumatized villain and a human being. The first time we kinda had that, was in Oni-Chan with Lila and Oni-Chan - Chloe was so funny😂😂😂, i know that it was supposed to be serious, since she accused Marinette of stealing those things..., but the way Chloe speaks and acts is just so funny to me... - I really loved how Zoe protected Marinette..., (i did that once too for a friend of mine, yet i couldn't rely on Ladybug to save me😂) - Okay, the ending was just INSANE, like what tf was Gabriel even doing😂😂..., the scene between Marinette and Adrien was really nice, real and actually cute😅..., and then Gabriel's voice comes in and I was like tf😂. And the way he moved in from the dark and just said NO with that odd facial expression and then moved back into the darkness, was just scary, creepy and i actually got goosebumps😂😂 And yet again I felt really bad for Adrien and Marinette, but I really liked how concerned Marinette was after that, like, you can really tell that Marinette cares for Adrien's safety. The way Gabriel literally controls Adrien makes me feel so uncomfortable, like imagine being in love with someone that is controlled by his/her father..., so sad - SENTIMONSTER!? Why didn't I give it a 10/10? - even tho I know that this episode was about Marinette-Zoe, I wished Adrien would have protected Marinette a bit more, when Chloe attacked her..., he just said "Stop it, Chloe" and after that he just stood there like a statue😂 - also, the episode wasn't crazy enough..., therefore 9.5/10

[@raybeak0769]

Him:poor single kim Me:wait what abt ondine?

[@stefaniarusso]

Yes

[@MrJunk-ie9np]

If I was the mayor of anything, especially a major city like Paris, I would absolutely carry around a massive portrait of myself in my "mayor outift"

[@anyaamehta9765]

I really don’t like how in this episode Marinette family was against her because she apparently “stole something“ from her boulangerie which makes no sense because that’s also where she lives and she designed the thing that she apparently “stole”.

[@kastiloshepherd1892]

You would think that after Lila pulled this shit, the entire school would think twice about "Mari did this bad thing and *I* the person she outwardly dislikes, am pointing it out" m. Dude half the school has been a victim of your shit

[@Cailan_Mors]

Why is everyone in love with Marinette aat some point? Seriously, WHY? I only want Adrien, Kagami and Luka to be happy at this point, everyone else can drown in a river. I shouldn't be getting this heated when I don't even watch the show proper anymore, but Miraculous just makes me so mad for some reason.

[@springdemon.w.]

No bc same

[@dgameryoutube5045]

It's possible but not likely for a teenager to fall in love and not feel a little hurt when there feelings are hurt because the love isn't given the same back but you can ignore that as well

[@funtimewildmutt]

9:14 Cleo make Sabrina chase her car so she’s probably use to catching up to a vehicle

[@stupidcoyote5453]

Okay, the part about Sabrina running with them DOES make sense, because apart from simpleman, who only has one power, ALL akumas have the physical capabilities of a miraculous holder. And, you know, she manages to keep up with a car all the way from the Hotel to the school every day, so she must be quick

[@phantom115cw]

The adults need .... TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES!!!

[@gaelgonzales3672]

So the rooster can't copy other miraculous' powers but the moth can give powers of the other miraculous?

[@Ren-Yamato]

what do you mean , there no miraculous that make you invisible, if you refer to the dog power , he used his stoopid rings

[@thorodinson6625]

The difference is that the moth can't actually use these powers. It still works

[@brodypl5804]

Uhm Monarch gives the powers through the rings that he made. But yeah he can also make villains with miraculous powers like Volpina, Antibug, Timetagger, etc.

[@WhoAsked123feelinggood]

I somethimes think about this: Is this even a kids show?!😂

[@llamaporg282]

Man I feel like I’m weird then. I’m one of those people who confess to their best friend, get rejected, and be the wingman to that same person for their crush while maintaining a good relationship. It hurts but their happiness is more important… when you mentioned that didn’t happen in high school very much I was surprised 😅

[@mikado_m]

Honestly i think thats good to do.. Like.. its up to each of their own yk but what good does just.. wallowing in bitterness do?

[@mythical.toaster]

the craziest thing is that these are FRICKING MIDDLE SCHOOL CRUSHES?? Like-

[@wigjhensonsaintyl1810]

It shocked me after all the thing that went on , the director was so prompt to expelled marinette based on accusations that have not solid evidences as support, What chloe said vould easily be debunked if we speak about real world, as pointed out, by a person in the comment section

[@Sanakudou]

I get the feeling using an unrequited lesbian crush as a plot device for the advancement of straight couple is probably not going to go down too well with some lgbtq viewers, especially if Zoe liking girls just completely vanishes from the story, as that would likely meet the definition of queerbaiting the audience. Hopefully the show follows through with a new relationship option for Zoe, even if it’s a subplot or background event. But considering how out of nowhere her crush was written, I wouldn’t be surprised for the writers to just as jarringly never write about it again.

[@fatherplatypus2316]

S5 has been nothing but plot convenience and outright pure stupidity. I just can't fathom how anyone could think this season is good (except maybe Passion and Jubilation). Seriously, ive reached the point where i watch the show just to give me confidence of my own writing skill. Cuz holy smokes, this is something that a group of professionals came up with

[@perezgfacts2396]

There's definitely no need for them to have a romantic relationship. Zoe and Marinette should be more like sisters, not some lovey dovey crap. I see this as lazy writing they should work on this.

[@Esterfox1987]

aint no way im the only one who hated adoration? like omg like out of all episodes I've never seen such a bad written episode like this before. everyone keeps saying that this has bad writing this doesn't this and that, and since I watch the stuff just to know the story i didn't really care, hence why im still watching those stupid ass episodes from MLB. but the problem is because of not caring enough to know what bad writing is i might just enjoy anything i watch and give a 7/10 but i don't think that's a good criticism from me. but this episode... THIS episode made me realize what bad/lazy forced writing is. ALL OF IT was bad. the fact zoe just gets a crush on marinette cause she was nice with her (everyone knows its because the creators needed to insert a openly gay confession to someone) or with the fact that zoe clearly says: "'she'' instead of ''he'' when zoe was talking bout their crush. and marinette just screamingly thinking its adrien shes the one in love with for no damn reason. omg nd even how chloe is now being treated like nothing, like chloe can literally get them fired and yet she is just mad. and how sabrina is just easily manipulated and yet she is a mean girl. and omg the fact mari outta nowhere goes to adriens house after zoe CONFESSING to her, just to CONFESS to him. and im not even gonna talk bout the eyefish zoom thingy they did with gabriel's face omg AHHAHAHAHAHA, but seriously there's nothing good with this episode. all of it, i blame zoe for it tho. and if yall not convinced yet i still have more proof this is the worst episode ever made from MLB just because of this stupid ship tht shouldn't even exist.

[@sarcasmwillbemymiddlename8622]

You caught me off guard with the covkblock man, I was tryna write and that’s the first thing I focus on?

[@snickerdoodell]

ngl, in a bunch of dramatic moments i just burst out laughing, i dont think that's the effect they were going for

[@galexyfight556]

That Gabe close up gave me Yoshikage Kira vibes 😂😂😂

[@hirahiro2331]

I’ve yet to understand why many are attracted to Marionette. First Nino, then Luka, perhaps there were bystanders who liked her and now Zoé and Adrien. One day…it won’t be about just her.

[@hirahiro2331]

@@moved18287 I don’t think you are getting what I’m asking. Also, I’m not part of the fandom. I was asking because anytime I saw some episode, someone likes Marionette which confused me since they’d move on as if it never happened like it was supposed to be that ONE episode and one alone. Adrien popularity came from his ties with his father. Not much to question there. I do, however, think they made too excessive but I also feel as if they’re making fun of die hard fans? I’m unsure. As for the others, I’m not watching this show the minute an episode comes out, so I don’t think I’ve seen anyone attracted to the side characters other than Nino and Aliya who are dating. To add on my confusion of why they like her, they have actively seen her stalk, sabotage, and infiltrate things and places and you find that…attractive?

[@BreadBush]

When i was 14 i also confessed to a female classmate who wasnt into me, its been like 8 years and now we're still close friends, so that bit of the story isnt exactly wierd Its kinda nice that its a gay character getting rejected by a straight girl, i dont see that situation all that often in media and its frankly the one and only thing i think the show did right The one right, among the many many many many wrongs

[@NeneKusanagi-]

The Gabriel close up scene is just gold, it's hilarious

[@Pink_Rose23]

This has to be the most entertaining/funniest review ever 😂😂❤️ keep it comin

[@marcy2225]

Bruh I’ve lost all faith in this show lmao I can only hope the movie is what the original guy wanted it to be

[@matthewhanlon1568]

I have no idea of what’s to come but I had a dream of watching the next season of miraculous and Adrien has two mothers Emilie and Nathalie and it was wholesome so I hope that’s the direction they will go (if you know please don’t spoil anything I am fighting tooth and nail to stay away from it all)

[@Orkprof]

Zoé, who's in love with Marinette, shows no reaction whatsoever as Marinette keeps talking about Adrien with heart eyes and pictures of the boy pop out from everywhere in Mari's room. NOICE 👍🏻

[@Orkprof]

Not that it is any better with Marinette: she's convinced that Zoé is in love Adrien, and yet she actively encourages her to go confess to him. Adrien and Mari are basically an official couple as of now, who would ever encourage a third person to make a move with their own significant other?

[@LittleSealPupper]

Marinette gets expelled for stealing while last year we were missing 2 stall doors and tons of toilets from the devious lick challenge

[@leahwilliams978]

Seriously, the "adults" should have known better than to listen to the juvenile nonsense Bourgeois came up with after all the nasty things she's done over her main victim. Who was right when she said it didn't make any sense, but they refuse to believe her. And when they find out that monster was framing her, all they do is stare at her without saying anything. They can't even apologize to the victim for not listening to her. It's really stupid!

[@riotkitty]

Am I high because seeing this episode feels like there’s been development for Zoe that quite literally does not exist. 😅 Welp she ain’t the most pointless character for nothing. I also thought the show had moved past so many characters crushing on the main characters, goodness knows how many that makes it with Zoe in the mix. Marinette basically has her own harem at this point lol it just feels repetitive

[@hardenedclay8840]

another comment prompted me into writing this but, when i was 15 i confessed to one of my best friends in school who didnt like me back and she was cool about it, were still good friends til now and hang out every day in school

[@AbiRose539]

11:24 as someone who has been in this situation trust me, literally nothing changes (MOST of the time). I'm still one of their best friends and it's literally exactly the same as before they confessed xDDD

[@brinfreit4934]

I agree, I've been both the person who confesses and someone people have confessed a few times when i was in middle school and high school. In every one of those situations I've maintained friendships with them after the confession until like a natural drift has happened ( mostly people moving away/moving schools), or there was a fight for a different reason. But I think it comes down to the maturity and how much each person values the friendship.

[@AbiRose539]

@@brinfreit4934 Pretty much this! It just seems to be a natural portrayal in tv shows that rejections are the big "Oh no! How dare they reject me!" and ruins friendships. But realistically you clearly like the person enough to ask them out so I don't see why this should change anything at all :)

[@riotkitty]

Well there’s a reason for it. I’m very glad for you that your friendship was retained, though I have seen so many others destroyed because of a confession of feelings. Heck sometimes either the confesser or the one being confessed to gets treated like absolute garbage or ghosted completely.

[@jedemu]

I agree with you that this episode was a good one, but the reveals here does make me a bit worried about the finale. Just to be clear: I don't mind Zoe confessing her love to Marinette here. I think it adds to both ladies their characters. However, since it's so close to the season finale and the confession is between her and Marinette, I do feel worried for Adrien. They've been trying to build up Adrienette for an entire season and it finaly got somewhere in this episode, so why did the writers add another love option for Marinette so close to the ending of the season? Why didn't they just confirm Rose/Juleka or Mark/Nath as couples, since it's been hinted at before? In my tin foil hat theory, I'm afraid that something will happen to Adrien in the finale, so Adrien and Marinette will be unable to be a couple, so Zoe will step up and comfort her as a love intrest. I've always been against the senti-theory, but this time, I'm realy worried that he's gonna get his amok destroyed somehow, and I don't like that. Also rip Luka

[@ibrahimsasi9215]

Rose/ Prince Ali Nathaniel/Marinette or Alex

[@whatscookingoodlookin1]

@@ibrahimsasi9215nah man, their not cannon

[@phantom115cw]

I makes me wonder more about Zoe's real dad

[@michaelsarmiento3057]

I also wonder if he is a better parent to Zoe Lee than Andre is to Chloe, who he spoiled rotten too much, explaining why Zoe Lee is very nice and why Marinette likes her.

[@stefaniarusso]

​@@michaelsarmiento3057 yeah totally agree

[@RockSunner]

All akumatized people seem to be super-strong and capable of leaping great distances, so of course Vanisher can keep up with the scooter.

[@darriongeorge5137]

What I can believe this is the third or second time marinette been framed yet somehow her friends and family don't believe it's her and believe someone like chloe over her

[@YinYangAngel55]

Didn't Chloe already try to expel Marinette once for stealing once? Anyone else feeling deja vu?

[@maulerxfringy4313]

No that was Lila Rossi in season 3.

[@brodypl5804]

Chloe tried to get Alya in trouble in S1 and it was succesfull. But Mari got expelled by Lila in S3.

[@paw-pie869]

that scene with Gab at the end of the episode legit looks like a meme. imma use it as a meme template from now on

[@violaghiringhelli5698]

The budget for their school dance is higher than the one of Rydell (the high school in Grease)

[@B-eign]

I honestly thought it was gonna be Kim. I mean makes sense right,she's the complete opposite of Chloe.

[@lasercraft32]

I seriously feel bad for Zoe. In order to make her character more likeable/interesting, they made her have a crush on the main character, who we ALREADY KNOW won't like her back, just to flesh out the character I guess... Zoe already KNOWS about Marinette's crush on Adrien at this point, so its weird that knowing all the obsessive tendencies Marinette has, she still decides to try and confess, as if she has any chance with her. Its kinda cruel for the writers to do that to her. For what? Extra drama? Its also strange that YET ANOTHER random person has a crush on Marinette...😑

[@kamarismith9422]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that scene with Gabriel was hilarious.

[@kamilslup7743]

about the males in marinette's class not getting anyone to have a crush on them, i don't think kim could pull it off considering he had a crush on chloe, which was instantly shattered in the episode "Dark Cupid"

[@alexandruulesan7009]

For people who'll argue that Zoe's crush on Marinette was a pointless development: you're missing the fact that it finally pushed Marinette into telling Adrien she loves him. She needed to see how a confession of unreciprocated feelings is not the end of the world. And as for the maturity argument, after everything she went through, how would Marinette not be too mature for her age? Season 1 Marinette might have fumbled the situation in a believable manner, but she has grown.

[@-.Cosmic.-]

> appears out of the shadows > says *n o* to cock block his son > returns back to the shadows > refuses to elaborate further