Aero Bikes are a SCAM?!! Bike trends made to take YOUR CASH!... FAD or FIT?!! with Phil Burt

[@christerohlsson9034]

Turned in hoods is the best thing I ever done to my fit all my problems on my hands went away and it’s much easier to stay deep in a aero position for a long time

[@LFMC1]

From year to year I am more and more convinced that everything in cycling is a scam, including some video channels!

[@clinlashway9147]

I'm 6' 2" tall and I went to 165 mm cranks from 172.5 mm, based on some online leg length sizing. I have a long torso and relatively short legs. This immediately eliminated almost all knee pain I had developed. And within a few weeks all the knee pain was gone. No real downside other than effectively losing just a little of the lowest gearing. Another upside was the higher saddle height allowed me to have more drop to the bars, which were already slammed because the saddle was low due to short legs. Put 152 mm cranks on my wife's bike that had 170 mm. She's 5' 1". She immediately loved it and no longer looked like she was going to hit herself with her knees. Short cranks for the win!

[@Stevenwalks]

I went from 172,5 to 165 mm and there is where all the knee began

[@ianlyons]

I’ve learned so much from your videos with Phil over the years. Without doubt, it helped me complete the TCR injury free. Thanks Katie 👍.

[@Milo-wl2if]

As a former pro who has ridden 175-180 cranks for more than 30 years, I recently moved to 170s and found an increase in my peak power.

[@KatieKookaburra]

That’s awesome!!!!!!

[@gaza4543]

For the giant seat post for others that might not know they actually have a 15/25mm offset and a -5 offset ie you actually spin the plates round on the seatpost which allow for more adjustment. No need for a 0 offset seatpost it’s a 2 in 1 if that makes sense. That’s why giant don’t make zero offset seatposts for some of there bikes

[@basvlaskamp]

When I went back from 155mm cranks to 175, my climbing improved in a noticable way. Shorter cranks are not to bad, but the increase in cadence is restricted as well. Its hard to spin 10% higher cadence with 155 compared to 172.5 expecally when fatigued and cadence naturally tends to drop due to muscle fysiology. I have ridden almost everything from 155 to 177.5 for the past 5 years extensively and wll probably stick to 170mm as the best compromize.

[@thelmaviaduct]

On many Giant seatposts, the head and cradle can be rotated through 180 degrees to take them from 25mm lay back to -5mm lay(forward). This is the case on my 2014 Giant TCR.

[@gaza4543]

Still the case on the 25 variant. Except it’s 15mm these days but still the same -5mm

[@ruairidhalexander7631]

Offset seatposts have been the norm for decades, and are a perfectly sensible way of adjusting your fit relative to the bottom bracket (not for adjusting reach to the bars). Sure, there's a problem with non round and proprietary designs.

[@Infinitesimal-ho7it]

I have my hoods turned in because I feel like it is closer to a neutral position for my wrists. If I were to turn my bars up a little, it would probably be even closer to neutral. Is it better to have the shoulders over the bars? I'm not sure what I've noticed looking at other cyclists

[@job9902]

I have a mix of 175 and 172.5 cranks on different bikes at present and have swapped components around to try alternate set ups. Generally I feel slightly better on 175s, so I certainly won't be forking out to try 165s any time soon

[@MM-kt5dv]

Some things are just plain common sense. It was nice to see you touch on the turned-in hoods trend. If you turn your hands in, what happens to your elbows? No one talks about it because it's not in fashion.

[@theycallmebernd]

True. But some things work for some that won´t work to others. But most people i see around are like "look pro- still slow"

[@ZenGarage]

Thanks for these videos. I appreciate the time and effort that goes into making them and the more bike fit videos I watch the more curious I am to get one. Having said that I'm 49 and have ridden bikes my whole life and never gotten a bike fit. If I took any of my bikes to a bike fitter they would most probably think my setup is wrong if my main goal was to be more comfortable on the bike, but that's just the thing, if I want a comfy bike I'd probably buy an endurance bike, or hell I'd sell all my road bikes and buy a mountain bike. I'm a car guy too, and if a bike fitter had a go at my race car they'd most likely rip out my fixed bucket seat, raise the suspension, soften the dampers, replace my harness with a normal seatbelt and fit smaller wheels with taller tyres all for more comfort (at that point I might as well have left the car dead stock).

[@justsomedude7556]

When I picked up the new Red shifters, since they are longer, I found replacing my seat post was a better option to get me into the correct position versus replacing the stem. Love the shifters, so they so much better than the prior generation and replacing the seat post was the golden ticket.

[@scottwatson7844]

Excellent video with some really useful information.

[@Neil.C57510]

2:28. I had to buy a layback seatpost as my saddle was as far back as it could go on an inline one and I still needed it to further back. Some would say I've bought the wrong size frame then! 🤔

[@SnowyPe]

Great discussion. Most welcome to bring him back for more chats

[@romanpramuka2703]

165mm cranks are not short, it should be standard for average height people. Short cranks are 150mm and less.

[@grahambowes756]

Great discussion. I got Phil’s book which has been really insightful. I recently got my dream bike. An S-Works Aethos. I’m 68, so didn’t see any benefit for me in an aero bike, I won’t maintain the speeds on the flats to benefit. The bike is great, having non-proprietary shapes, external cables, so it is super easy to adjust. A joy to ride and maintain. And perfect for 60kg me. Thanks again both.

[@sccxvelo]

Just moved down from 175mm cranks to 170mm cranks. In the processor of getting used to it with short easy rides before a longer ride in a few days.

[@christopherrichards387]

Offset seatpost vs inline seatpost has to be considered alongside seat tube angle and, potentially, saddle type (i.e. where the rails are positioned relative to where you sit on the saddle). You can't decide it in isolation.

[@vermilionink]

The next upgrade I'm going to make on my bike is shorter cranks! When I got my current setup I wish I'd known (and wish my local bike shop had known), as my cranks are a "standard" 170mm but I'm 5'2"... even though I'm lucky enough to have good mobility in the hips, I still have no business riding 170s!

[@Tinycactus]

Hi Katie.. the short cranks thing is amazing!! I switched to 160mm last year and can’t believe the difference its made!! 👍🏼😁

[@KatieKookaburra]

Great to hear! ☀️

[@ahnilatedahnilated7703]

I am 6'4" and I went from 175's to 170's and my knee pain went away. I used to have horrible knee pain when I put out more than 200W on longer rides. Now I don't have any of that even on the trainer for 2 hrs or more.

[@timcollins340]

I agree with all of this except crank length - and that’s because I’ve got short legs and a long torso, I’ve been riding 172.5 for 40/50 years, and changing 9 bikes worth of cranks (all Ultegra/Force/Red/Athena, most with Stages power meters, so between £200-£900 a set) would break me!

[@musclelessfitness2045]

Great video 👍 As far as the D-Fuse seat post goes, I bought the zero offset one and then I turned around the top part to move my saddle forward👌

[@gaza4543]

Where did you find that I can’t find one

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@@gaza4543 Local Giant stores.

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@@gaza4543 Local Giant stores

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@@gaza4543 Giant local store. Search for d-fuse-composite-0-offset-seatpost

[@musclelessfitness2045]

@@gaza4543 Local Giant store

[@georgie40ful]

Lots of good, thought provoking stuff in this video. Importantly the take away should be each to their own, no one's the same. I bought an aero bike last year, largely for an event and to move on to modern kit from a high end mid-teens machine. That bike had got down to sub 6kg at one point, a little over these days with 58mm wheels. Still super light, I thought reasonably aero and a joy to ride. I'd keep it for hilly days, right? The aero machine has kicked it into touch, faster, more comfortable (can take 28mm+ tires), brakes better, shifts better. The only thing better about the old bike is it's easier to lift and hang on the wall! Okay, I can ride at 20 mph+ on hilly routes and in 100m events up to 25mph so probs faster than average but just an occasional masters racer in the past, never got enough races in to even get past 4th cat, a regular club rider. The aero machine, for me isn't just hype/fad, I'm shocked at just how good it is. Mine is consistently 2kph faster on a like for like ride whether hilly or not. On a 240km this year, my longest, held on to the young sprogs and averaged nearly 20mph, would have been quicker but for stops and a slow start with a slower group. Very much doubt I'd have held on, on the old bike. I also prefer to size down and use a laid back post (: everyone's different

[@davidmartin305]

If you discuss offset seatpost, you should also discuss seat angle. I need seatpost offset on smaller frame bikes with steep >75.5° to get the BB to saddle setback

[@lilwondair4836]

Yeah, thanks to that short crank hype I tried short cranks too. All it gave me was horrible knee pain. Back to 'long' 175s

[@DavidBigandt]

of the new bikes is Specialized Aethos a good one for making adjustments?

[@ariffau]

From what I heard, turned in hoods was already a thing a good 8 years ago and it actually came from 3rd tier South East Asian Conti Teams racing in races like Tour of Philippines and Tour de Langkawi. It began with a rider crashing which accidently turned his hoods in. Instead of fixing the hood, said rider continued to ride on and he actually liked it. 😂 As you know, World Tour Teams like Dimension Data, Astana and EF also races in these races and Asian Pro Conti Team also raced in biggers ones like Tour of Abu Dhabi and that’s how the world eventually adopted the turned in levers hype.

[@maxlloyd3740]

I am running a offset seatpost and always have done. I am 6'2" with 34" inside leg. If anything i sometimes need more room on bikes i have had but have always found a comfortable position. I am still on 175mm cranks and 44cm bars as well but thats another story! 😄

[@James-zu1ij]

I have an Specialized SL7 with round off set seat post. I just put it on backwards and its perfect.

[@hobscotch6161]

Ref lay back seat post is that also not directly linked to seat angle?, I have a long torso and short legs, I cant ride a 74 degree seat angle as I cant get the seat far enough back, even 73.5 can be problematic and I actually have to use that Jtek seat post shown as it has the most lay back that I can find to avoid running the seat to far back on the rails causing stress. Cant wait for 155mm cranks to become mainstream, riding 160;s at the moment and it has been a game changer, I would like to go a bit shorter.

[@blahqwe]

On the aero bike issue, people will do anything to avoid seeing that they're the problem, so throwing money at a bike, rather than losing weight.

[@mark950-d7d]

Pogacar is said to have used 165mm cranks in the Tour.. Is it one size is best for all?

[@DarrenChubb-g7f]

Hi Sarah another good video all my roadsides all the same side cranks for me 172.5 stem 120 mm handlebar 42 cm were all different have a good weekend takecare

[@jimmy0987654321asdfg]

SHORTER CRANKS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE YOU CAN DO... it was a total game charger for me!

[@lukewalker1051]

Its a big one for sure. Narrower handlebars than what bike brands sell helps as well unless you need the leverage off road.

[@marvinkamei7007]

instead of shorter cranks would it be better to first get a bike with a steeper seat angle frame?

[@garyboyle695]

Aero on a normal bike is a total waste of time. Your front profile will more than negate any benefits of the aero frame. Fools and their money are easily parted.

[@ariffau]

KZbin is starting to make me believe like there are only four bike fitters in the UK.

[@pedalforsanity]

So my 2021 Pinarello Prince is obsolete. It’s only 11 speed, tires too thin and contain tubes, handlebars too wide, crank arms too long. What’s next?

[@markriley232]

Great comments on aero bikes from the magic twosome!

[@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853]

Thank you thank you thank you; for addressing the GOD-FORSAKEN offset seat post! I thought I was alone in this awful rearward seat position- I hate it and have been trying to correct it on my bike since the day I bought it; 'actually flipped it around once in a desperate attempt to move the seat forward.

[@gaza4543]

Except they have thought of it, you spin the plates around 180 for a -5mm (layfoward) setting no need for an offset seatpost it’s a 2 in1 at least in giants case

[@tongotongo3143]

You must have very short upper leg bones… Usually longer legs people have to move back on the saddle.

[@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853]

@ No, quite the opposite, a very long inseam. But contrary to positioning fads I've no comfort in being pushed back to be hyperextended, rather to be on top of the pedals more TT style.

[@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853]

@ Yes I realize that. I was speaking metaphorically with industry "pushing" ideas set by racing (possibly) ie: clipless, aero, rearward seating, oh and how can we ignore road tires on single track (oh brother), all having little application amongst gen-pop. Flat pedals on my roadie with an aggressive "approach" sole and practical tire, straight seat post; the rest is nuisance. No clickety-clack of un-walkable priss-shoes that are impractical, uncomfortable, with little purpose. Yeah... 'been there done that, as I imagine we all do sometime or another.

[@tongotongo3143]

I bet you burn your quads quickly and constantly have numb hands. TT bike as a system works slightly different although for some it may look very similar like just pushing saddle forward:)

[@ericpmoss]

Awful ideas I wasted money on: 1. seat masts rather than seat posts 2. one piece stem+bars 3. ultra stiff carbon bars and stem 4. ceramic bearings everywhere 5. "12% stiffer than last year" 6. wide bars (46cm is nuts when 40 is my shoulder width) 7. skinny tires and wheels 8. tubeless road 9. GoreTex (fine for walking, but sweating to death while riding) 10. ultra-stiff custom shoes 11. crazy pedals (carbon/titanium/etc) 12. electronic shifting (although wireless for separable bikes is handy)

[@jamar959]

Love you Katie, but I can't fit on a road bike without an offset seat post. Cheers!

[@johnmcnulty1129]

Great vid Katie & Phil I'm not a fan of AERO bikes Too many chocy bubbles in the frame ! ❄❄ ☃️🐿

[@treesnbikes]

Leave them out in the sun and you have a puddle of pudding

[@HabaneroTi]

Ok, this has nothing to do with the theme of this video or channel, but I just had to say that Katie has the most beautiful profile. Ok, I'll shut up now and stop embarrassing the both of us. 😀 And, I never really cared much about aero myself. Not fast and fit enough for it to matter. If I want to go faster it would be a lot more efficient to lose weight than worry about my bike's cockpit and tuck position.

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Going longer cranks can cure hip pain also.

[@tongotongo3143]

Also increase speed because allows you to spin harder gears otherwise you wouldn’t be able.

[@roberthotter7008]

​@tongotongo3143 You both are welcome to take my 175's😂

[@CarnivoreDMD]

Thanks Katie!

[@MrYAMAHA32177]

Speaking of the shorter crank conspiracy, could you drop your pedal stack height by 8mm resulting in a lower stack height? Ekoi has a new pedal system called Ekoi PW8. They claim that pedals offer an 8 mm stack height, far lower than Shimano SPD-SL (16 mm), the updated Look Keo Blade (14.8 mm), Time Xpro (13.5 mm), and Wahoo Speedplay Zero (8.5 mm). Asking for a friend.

[@seanoreilly6774]

if you are not racing any bike will do you personally i like flat bars no need to spend big money on a bike.

[@goldenretriever6261]

Pogacar has won the TDF 3 times on a non aero bike.

[@AntiMatterDeathray]

Offset seatposts are a fad? I think it just depends on your height, etc. I’m taller with a longer inseam and an offset seatpost is what I need to get my fit right.

[@gaza4543]

Offsets depend greatly on arm length as well if you’re on the right size bike it shouldn’t really be a problem I feel

[@chrisfilby9678]

Considering for many years the only type of quality seat post was set back, I doubt you can call it a fad.

[@bsmukler]

I treated myself to an aero bike (S-Works Venge) while recovering from an accident in early 2020, right before the pandemic. I consider the timing fortuitous because, of course, bikes quickly became hard to get (and the Venge was later discontinued). I know I’m not at all “aero” myself, but the bike is beautiful and I just love it, regardless of whether the aero design makes much difference for my use case. These bike fit videos are very interesting and instructive. Thank you!

[@doctorscoot]

offset seatposts: oh yeah, I have a BMC teammachine with an offset D shape seatpost, and my saddle (Selle Italia SLR) only _just_ made it forward enough. They have a zero offset seatpost (and an even more offset seatpost) but I’ve got to _buy_ it, their list price is CHF 250 or something like that, and it will probably take forever to obtain. I was lucky that the seat fits, I guess.

[@kimburlison8447]

Giant has changed the seat post options.

[@martincoenen2]

With the trend of shorter cranks you probably gonna need more offset seatposts ?

[@carlpentney290]

Trouble is I have 4 bikes so to change all to 165mm cranks plus a couple of crank based power meters is just silly money. A decent bike fit out my way will set you back £300 and that's before any components need swapping out. Cycling is getting a bit silly now. As I've gotten older I've got a bit slower. There isn't much I can do about that.

[@KatieKookaburra]

You might have 4 bikes but you only have one body. So look after it 🙂

[@greghart6310]

Aero notably coming back from some brands. Totally unimportant for the average Joe or Jill but if you're pushing average zone 2 speeds of 30kph or more it will make a difference. Nothing beats a comfortable bike though

[@chipsimons4694]

Giant needs more options for seat posts.

[@KatieKookaburra]

Agreed!!

[@edstorey4675]

❤️logic. Thx I am long leg short torso and I appreciate the fit tip

[@cecilecorpuz5735]

For myself If you not competing at a high level then a BIG BUCK$$$ AREO bike is a total waste of time and $$$! Crank arm deal, I've been riding a bike for well over 45 years and I'm just fine with the norm from way back then, 170mm and many thought I was crazy because I used to ride a TRACK / Road bike for many years, it was a true Track bike that was converted to road a frame builder did all the proper modifications but kept the normal rear track drops, I did many 100 mile plus rides riding over the Santa Cruz mountains which involved roughly 7.500 ft of climbing, the only components change I made from my road bike will be a longer stem and AERO brake levers. Lugged steel bikes served me well back then, so why change.

[@lukewalker1051]

Phil is a brilliant fitter and I agree with him on just about everything...but...turned in hoods is more ergonomic for most including me. It is not a fad IHO. Great conversation. Overall discussion really underscores the 'power of marketing' and debunking actual benefit from just selling something to the consumer for bike company profit. Walter Mitty syndrome. Nobody is going to ride like Pogacar because they have all things discussed.

[@markreams3192]

A set back seat post is probably not a fad because they’ve been on bikes at least since I’ve riding which is over 50 years. Zero setback posts are more recent. They are all I use. I don’t migrate to the front of the saddle any more. I found that I was faster in the more forward position. The body is at least 70% of aerodynamic drag. Position is way more important than aerodynamic bikes. I find it hard to believe that an exposed cable slows anyone down. Aero bikes and integrated bar stem systems are more for aesthetics than function and to sell bikes. The gains are very marginal. Turned in brake levers looks stupid. It looks like you dropped the bike on the pavement.

[@Miekzz]

Phil's a legend!

[@craignunes-wg6gq]

Turned in hoods and I have far less numbness in my hands.

[@mikeowen000]

I bought a Giant D section seat post with zero setback here in the US. Easy peasy.

[@gaza4543]

Can I ask where I can’t find them

[@musclelessfitness2045]

Same here, I bought it from a local Giant store. You can also rotate the top part to get a few more CMs\INs

[@mikeowen000]

@@gaza4543 Search “giant d fuse seatpost zero offset” and you’ll see listings at Giant and Performance Bicycle. $85 at both sellers.

[@mikeowen000]

@@gaza4543 Weird, my replies keep getting deleted. Maybe because I’m mentioning sellers(?) If you Google “giant d fuse seatpost zero offset” you can’t miss it.

[@edwarding4355]

I'm fine with an off set seat post. Is that just me?

[@julianallen515]

This video can be summed up in two words "It depends". All of these things can benefit certain riders, not all riders but some.

[@tongotongo3143]

To be more precise, just very few riders.

[@julianallen515]

@@tongotongo3143 I wouldn't eve say that. It could be the majority of riders. Integrated cockpits work just fine for riders who know their fit and either home wrench or ca afford shop labour. Setback seat posts work for riders with good flexibility or long torso to leg length ratio, shorter cranks for most riders for the reasons Phil stated.

[@tongotongo3143]

Exactly the opposite on set back seats. With longer legs in order to maintain proper mechanically advantageous angle between center of the knee and pedal axis you will certainly need to push back your seat. Actually only with short legs and long crank scenario one would need to push forward, but that’s not very realistic scenario.

[@julianallen515]

@@tongotongo3143 Yes, sorry. I was in a rush and switched that around

[@1hz901]

These problems occur again ehen you try to sell the bike or want to buy a used bike.

[@BenSietze]

Setback a fad…. Really?? It’s the only type of seatpost I can use to have a proper position on my bikes. And yes, I’ve had bike fits by well renowned bike fitters. At least in my case, setback is the way to go. No doubt.

[@HarryCarrr]

Just get fitter, then if your in the top 10% get the best you can afford.

[@davewood4228]

Mint aero

[@Handletaken4]

Get a custom steel bike and be happy. Let the builder fit you.

[@kornenator]

The inward tilting hoods i think work well for flared handlebars, on normal 0-flare road bars they look silly and probably don't add much to the comfort

[@ecopennylife]

Great video. Another thing to mention is quality cycling shorts, made a big difference to my road cycling, upgrade the shorts before you think about upgrading the saddle 😋

[@dieddf]

Thx for saying that aero bikes are fad. Cycling midia is so vicious and full of marketers, it's a shame. It's beautiful 1kg of chinese 100 quid carbon sold at 8000 bargain price, topped with less than 3% gains if you're able to ride really fast for long time ALONE in the wind. Sounds like a plan ? No way.

[@ebikescrapper3925]

I wonder if a bike company could make a bike frame with removable top and down tube. They could then offer the tubes in size increments, they would be attached to lugs by glue and bolts. This would give you a custom bike without the custom price, the front and rear end would be made in a factory as standard. You could get a bike fit and if the change of stem length was still not enough to shorten the reach you could change the tubes. It made be easier to change the tubes straight away and leave the front end alone.

[@AnthonyScott-q2l]

Thanks for sharing such valuable information! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?

[@TBATTIECYCLING]

Turned in hoods look better

[@dylanliu6758]

The thumbnail shows her handlebar at least 2cm too wide.

[@KatieKookaburra]

Oh wow! Thank you for letting me know. 🙄 what width are my bars?

[@bertusbob]

👍👍👍

[@TBATTIECYCLING]

Aero bikes look best so they are best

[@tongotongo3143]

Short cranks for average people is a recipe to ride more comfortably but slower because this means you will have to spin lighter gears. If the goal is speed the only people who can benefit from reasonably shorter cranks are pro athletes who are able to produce lots of power per kilogram.

[@gregmorrison7320]

It's not slower when it puts you in a more comfortable and aero position.

[@tongotongo3143]

No, cranks can’t put you in a more aero position, let alone make you ride faster.

[@gregmorrison7320]

@@tongotongo3143 Of course they do, please do your research, firstly your claim that you have to spin lighter gears which is slower is just plain wrong, studies have shown no reduction in power, also the more open hip angle allows the rider to lower the upper body into a more aero position, which is obviously faster, not sure why you would think otherwise.

[@fireblade6756]

and lol an aero bike makes absolutely no difference if u have a fat rider sitting on it!!!!

[@thelmaviaduct]

Fat riders are more aero, look at the bullet train 🚅 a huge gut is aero.

[@gearmonger8616]

Ahhh, so the "fad" of setback saddles is about 60 years old, huh. Find me a classic road bike without setback.

[@thelmaviaduct]

Much more choice buying a layback seatpost post than in-line, unfortunately.

[@BenSietze]

Nothing fad about a setback post..

[@gearmonger8616]

@@BenSietze That's what I'm saying, seems like your top tube my be too long or frame too big if you need a pillar, just saying.

[@tongotongo3143]

This bike fitter “fixes” problems of too big bikes, poor flexibility, or too short arms, by pushing people forward on the saddle regardless their knee angle to the axis of the pedal. That’s why he doesn’t like set back seat posts. Lots of long leg athletes actually have to push the saddle back in order to achieve optimal angle.

[@BenSietze]

@@gearmonger8616 agreed.. also depends on people's core strength and a whole lot of other things. anybody claiming set back seatposts are a fad I can't take seriously. Sure, a custom frame could be designed where I will not need a set back seat post, but at the expense of what?

[@marvinkamei7007]

people were born to walk and run not cycling. No wonder so many issues to deal with!!

[@KatieKookaburra]

We were meant to walk and run on soft ground - not the tarmac we have. That’s why there are SO many injuries with runners and that cycling is used as rehab for that.

[@marvinkamei7007]

@@KatieKookaburra vise vera. Much injuries from cycling and auto accidents and crashes!! I ride but enjoy the conversations, social talks among us!!

[@marvinkamei7007]

women ,most ,short upper, longer legs. They dont end up with turtle neck upper back like men.!

[@markriley232]

Cycling is so much easier on the knees and hips compared to running…

[@AlexPeka]

I've never watched your channel, just popped in to represent the population you don't see blocking your channel for titles like yours 👎

[@peterbee8892]

As an all year round rider in all weather's my fad is drop handlebars. They cost a fortune to make and fit and yet only about 5 percent of riders ever use the drops at all and never on a club ride. Let's have cheaper bikes with flat bars and save 500 off the price.

[@gregmorrison7320]

No, flatbars are just too slow and uncomfortable over anything over a short distance of about 50kms especially if racing and trying to stay aero, it's just too hard on the core. Drops are usually only used for descending and covering the brakes and cornering. Hoods is a more aero position. Raced gravel on MTB's for awhile, the gravel bikes have it over the MTB as the distances increase.

[@peterbee8892]

Next time you watch the Tour watch the peloton racing . Only the sprinters are on the drops . Everyone else is on the hoods. May as well have flat bars.

[@gregmorrison7320]

@@peterbee8892 Lol, so why don't they do you think? They are on the hoods because it's more aero (forearms parallel with the ground and puts their body in the right position) as you noted the drops are also used in the sprints, next time watch a fast descent. Flatbars only give you three positions, dropbars give you six. I've never spent anywhere near $500.00 for a set of dropbars. Infact I've sold quite a few pairs for $20.00.

[@peterbee8892]

It's not the bars that are expensive unless you have carbon but the brake levers . The additional cost puts road bikes up by 500 dollars.

[@andygoldensixties4201]

Aero bikes and other technologies are not a scam, but the gain in performance is so marginal that only top-end pros can have a (modest) benefit, with such a lot of money spent. Nothing significant for all the other, but unfortunatly too many beguinners don't realize what really counts in cycling: legs and brain.

[@garyboyle695]

They are a scam unless you are riding in an aero position..

[@clp91009]

Marginal gains and marketing claims