World of Warships: Hakuryuu - RTS CV from Closed Beta

[@Aerroon]

Just dodge.

[@fanatik2134]

I started playing CV with this RTS Style but i ended it i dont like the view because u are so far away from the team now i can fly close to them drop torps on an enemy who fight my boys and then rescue him. After the RTS change i played CV really much and it was the right decision to change it a good old RTS CV player can crosstorp every enemy ship it was just stupid.

[@captain_loeffel]

But it was still easier to dodge then now. Now it is impossible and the CV needed to wait for reload and fly down all the way. Today it is more like zipping around getting in attack after attack with useless AA on the defending ship. I even managed to dodge a cross drop from an Hakuryuu in my Benson. Unfortunately I was under fire of a Des Moines and an Iowa I think so in the end I was sunk. But no torpedo hit me and I avoided them all. You can even see it in Aetam's Project Wrecked Episode 57. And cross drops are still possible by the way. ;) They are harder to perform.

[@almitov]

CVs are not balanced but they are definitely not as OP as they used to be. It was either you are an AA platform or food for the CV. I remember in the last few days of the RTS CVs I got dropped by a Midway through my defensive fire and I died. Single drop, no detonation. Unfortunately now Hakuryu can do the same in 2 drops, but your AA doesn't matter. Overall CVs will never be balanced as they are OP AF IRL too :D

[@jozseftoth9368]

@@fanatik2134 its some console-ish looking shit now. Which attracts(or at least WG think) more kids whom are needed to keep the playerbase. This was the reason behind the rework, not balancing the game. Officially they stated that: 1. A t10 cv with its so many squadrons can fly a fighter over a dd non-stop. 2. CV economy was shit they earned so low amount if credits Now the first part everyone can see how much worst became with the non-stop plane train. They even added rocket planes because why the fck no. The second part they could fix by just raising the amount of credits earned. So i think they can keep their cvs with this childish shit rework over the old rts mode.

[@captain_loeffel]

@@almitov Now AA doesn't even matter if you fully push it and if you activate everything you have and those two ships around you too. If you have a decent CV player he will bring his attack through with losing just one plane. That was impossible in the old days and then you had the chance to move into a better position. That chance you haven't if the CV decides to come back right away. Yes, in RL CVs are very strong, that is the reason why they took over the job of the BB, being the strike force of the Navy. But IRL they aren't even as OP as in WoWs. They need to be protected very well, they burn like hell and then no air operation is possible for sure. When they burn it is far more dangerous and they normally burn longer than other ships. To sink a CV in the old game was far easier than it is now, especially if you rely on fire damage. But to be true, a high tier CV can angle against a BB and a T8 BB will struggle to damage the T10 CV because of the armored deck. What bad joke. And last but not least this game is far away from reality, so CVs could be balanced, but the new ones draw kiddies into the game. I can see the dollar signs in the eyes of WG. ;)

[@itsReiWoWS]

Although I play rework CVs nowadays, honestly preferred RTS more

[@CorporalAdrianShephard.]

I do as well. It would be nice if they returned to the old ways or brought in a game mode just for RTS carriers.

[@aitoririso2257]

I miss the rts so badly

[@edwinspruijt5460]

Me too, it was much more interesting, you could actually protect your team from the enemy CV with your fighters. AA was also strong on a lot of ships and your planes where limited especially at lower tiers so you had to be carefull with your planes. I dont really like the rework, AA means nothing and I really miss the CV vs CV component with the rework.

[@M4st3r507]

Yeah, I miss the old CVs, you actually needed to have skills to play cv back then. Now anyone can play CV; i miss my North Carolina with insane AA dmg

[@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43]

Main problem is that we used to kind of reck other people's gameplays

[@TheScania1991]

Oh my, thats a throwback and a half, damn. WoWs looks so weird with that old UI and stuff :o

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

when planes went back and not magically dissapeared

[@ST-tn9ow]

I still remember those days when all japanese Battleships had 3 hulls to research and they took longer to grind

[@fifthcolumn388]

The rework honestly drove me away from PC Warships. I had invested a lot of time (no money) learning how to play well in RTS mode- with a controller no less- and then suddenly all of my acquired skill was useless. Totally left a sour taste in my mouth for the game. I didn’t play Warships again until Legends came out on console, and now I’m happy to have a fresh start and to come in on the ground floor of carriers in Legends when they come sometime next year. I’ll probably never go back to PC now since it seems Legends is improving on a lot of PC’s mistakes.

[@Aerroon]

You played RTS CVS with a controller?! Wtf.

[@stoirmslw7195]

props on using a controller the closest i ever got to that was playing Battlestations Midway on my xbox* and i could never quite get the hang of the RTS map

[@trickledowneconomicsfail7127]

they needed to overhaul it because it was too complicated for braindead peope

[@homefront1999]

Anyone know the release date? I can't get into the beta.

[@craftysnail5912]

I miss this so much :((

[@bella_ciao4608]

In a way I miss these

[@Aerroon]

Yeah, the 5 torpedo bomber squadrons at once were great.

[@nokiaforever461]

I dont(bb player)

[@許進曾]

I really miss the ability to cross torp.

[@zam023]

@@Aerroon WG could have made it not stackable. So you can't group planes like that.

[@ItsJeremyChan]

I miss my Taiho in this RTS setting, it was amazing back then

[@guillermofischer1837]

Taiho 2/3/2 was amazing

[@AssassinAgent]

Damn I miss RTS CV, especially the ability to actually counter enemy planes with even fighter locks

[@cobrazax]

yes! i loved to shield my team from the enemy CV!!

[@thelvadam2884]

Disgusting another BOTS clan member

[@AssassinAgent]

@@thelvadam2884 No place is safe from the might of BOTS

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

This was good tiimes! I miss RTS CVs!

[@admiralschroher2172]

The RTS CV was more strategic. You could control multiple squadrons at once, and the AAs/fighters actually did something. I play world of warships, took me long to master the Carrier RTS skills, and when I did, they changed it. Carrier RTS was the best gameplay I did. I still play the game

[@homefront1999]

This will be my last comment, but Aerroon, have you thought of doing an overview of the history of World of Warships? What features were brought into the game in an update, whether these features were well received or poorly received, were they good features? were they just poorly implemented? Has the game gotten better or wore after 5+ Years? Is there anything you miss? Such as old cv's? I think it would be a very interesting and informative video that no one has really done. We've got lots of ships with gimmicky items, such as the Hood with that AA and so on. We used to have the Kitikami with the top spam, then was replaced by the Atago. We have ships like Arkansas Beta, the beta reward ship. It'd be cool to see how premium ships shaped the game also. It'd probably be a bit unreasonable, but a complete overview of all the premium ships would also be cool.

[@Aerroon]

I have thought of doing a video like that, but it's hard to find footage of some of those things. It's also kind of difficult to remember it all. Also, what do you mean by "complete overview of all the premium ships"? Do you mean a video that mentions all of them or what?

[@homefront1999]

@@Aerroon Something similar to that. While I don't expect anyone going through all the ships. I mean it more as all the ships that made a big splash in the community. Such as the Hood, Tirpetz, and Massachusetts. Wether it was loved, despised or just controversial. I'd love every ship. Buy aren't we around 100? Maybe less? Unless you give a brief overview of the ships, then I can imagine the video being 40+ minutes just talking about them.

[@xpercade8926]

@@homefront1999 he could make it into a series if it's too much. that would certainly be entertaining to binge

[@kmpaton]

I can’t even play my Arkansas Beta anymore with all the CV players at low tier and having zero AA. Real fun reward ship......

[@Aerroon]

@@homefront1999 The problem is that I don't know what made a big splash in the community. Before WG gave ships to CCs I didn't pay any attention to premium ships, because I wouldn't have bought them anyway (I've bought I think 2, maybe 3 premium ships total - everything else was gifted by viewers to me at the time). The only ships that I remember that were super popular were Tirpitz and Atago. I also remember the Graf Zeppelin saga, but most premium ships were pretty uneventful for me.

[@Anldiot69]

I miss these so much. Haven't played much CV since the rework. I loved playing fighter setup CVs against bomber setup CVs and melting up to 20 planes with a single fighter strike. Wish they would've kept the RTS style and rework something around it.

[@Stavrosstavrosstavros]

Same, the game was better even in sound design and graphics back then in my opinion, and the old CVs forced people into team play. I think the RTS style is better than the current and that in order to make it viable they should just buff the player rewards for plane takedowns and air attack prevention or something like that, like plane dmg prevented for a cruiser that was attacking planes that were attacking a battleship, so that they still get rewared even if they didnt engage with their main battery so much.

[@sleepygryph]

What was hilarious was the spalling mechanic when shatters did 10% damage. I remember watching Atlantas melting Iowas. What's crazy watching this is that you were just showing advanced level play. Low level being auto drop, mid level being manual drop and advanced being the group up mass drop. Of course without DDs you didn't have the opportunity to show off cross dropping. The Midway also had those jet fighters, so you could nerf 3 attacking squads and with their speed they could be really frustrating. Once strafing came in though everything changed. Everyone else really were just extras if CVs were in the match and if your CV derped well your team was boned, of course it also happened back then that your team would spawn without a CV while the red team would get one.

[@tommihommi1]

this video is showing decent play, not top level

[@MohammadRashadyandere-sama]

DDs were top class back in the day due to that shatter mechanic

[@Snagabott]

Everyone else was just extras if CV's were in the match. Oh boy... thank god those days are gone, right?

[@sleepygryph]

@@tommihommi1 like he said without fighters and more dds there really isn't a way to show off top play

[@sleepygryph]

@@Snagabott it's not as brutal now as it used to be, now it feels that way cause aa is crap. Back then you had good aa but if you left an opening cvs would claim that free property

[@Spartaner627]

oh man, the memories of this map, bringing good old T8 fubuki down between the islands, getting permanently lit up from the CVs empty bombers till the torpedo bombers arrive, walls of shima torps. thanks for the nostalgia. i would absolutely not mind the occasional RTS CV or even surface ship combat from the early days.

[@tommihommi1]

I remember Papedipupi breaking 500k damage with this loadout

[@skdKitsune]

I only remember him seal clubbing in his Saipan

[@tommihommi1]

@@skdKitsune that was a lot later :D The best things was the first T10 CV game after the wipe. Pape, two T9 ships in his division on one team. The other team: A SINGLE SIMS.

[@redxi572]

that guy was a total C*&T who used the disengage 'bug' on his shitty premium CV fighters to extreme effect. Yes i got WTFowned

[@badboymaster666]

So nostalgic even tough I only played up to around tier 4 or 5 in the RTS days. I remember unlocking strafing and all that. I came back to the game just before the CV rework, I had an open mind but the rework is just way less enjoyable then the old CV gameplay imo. Nice to see how it was before, and about grouping around AA it's not like that is not a thing right now. If you don't group the CV will never run out of full squads of planes to send.

[@HarunaKaiNi]

I miss getting obliterated by bogue ASS cancer using my Zuiho :(

[@Birdman369]

Oh boy, I got so pissed about the American air supremacy setups that I ended up going up the American tree myself.

[@mylenewhalen5375]

@@Birdman369 A mistake though. I was at about 75% solo win rate in Zuiho with 150ish games played in it. The thing to remember is that AS Bogue was a wasted slot on the enemy team, incapable of dealing any damage. At best, he could deplane you and take you out of the game, but then he's accomplished nothing other than breaking even. Meanwhile, the Zuiho was actually a real threat. Zuiho was the better choice.

[@Oniontrololol]

RTS cv mode is so much better than the current one, I enjoy my Kaga immensely on it

[@jay2541]

I miss being able to actually deplane CVs

[@jozseftoth9368]

And shred whole attack waves with my cruisers def. AA fire before they could even start their attack run

[@joshbarnes3692]

Exactly, you could almost hear a simultaneous wail of pain from US cruiser captains the first time they played the rework and the aircraft just laughed at the aa fire. My poor Atlanta has been gathering dust since then, and don't even mention the HE pen rework that just beat my poor girl into a pulp.

[@jozseftoth9368]

@@joshbarnes3692 aircraft being able to touch an Atlanta.. what a shame.. rather let her rest in peace

[@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43]

@@joshbarnes3692 And then I bought Atlanta :-( I had to switch over to BB's when the rework came. One of the reasons that I play WOWS instead of WT is because I can't drive planes. And then I got rekt in yamato by the HE rains from Smolensk. I thought Atlanta would be capable to do HE rains, so I bought her and sh*t happened. Was one of the worst trades of my life ever.

[@TheAradar]

​@@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43 Atlanta is still a brilliant ship, it's every destroyers worst nightmare. But it's not an easy ship to play, I would say it's high risk high reward (and fun) ship.

[@yikyak4249]

Imagine dodging 20 torps

[@Aerroon]

That drop 3 km from your ships.

[@CorporalAdrianShephard.]

“Kitakami”

[@kysz1]

Imagine dodging 20 torps and get dev striked by the other 12... XD

[@zam023]

@@Aerroon but you are suppose to start maneuvers before they get that close.

[@jozseftoth9368]

3:58 now this is Aerroon at his peak! 👍👍 Gold times

[@petersha576]

Now I get where the idea of RU CVs coming from...

[@enterprisegaming6980]

This is quite a trip down memory lane... like wow

[@sigmawarrior.fokeryou]

I dont miss this time at all. Guys think CV op today because they didn't played at this time.

[@TheDinis553]

I think people hate CVs now because they're just unfairly annoying. The old CV could crossdrop delete you, which was more powerful, yes, but at least you felt like you could fight back because your AA could kill planes. Nowadays, you have carriers flying their planes through the AA of 4 ships, all shooting at the same time, and you can still get hits off. Modern carriers feel like that one mosquito that has bitten you three times already and you can't wait to slap the shit out of it, but you can't because it's dark in the room and you don't know where it is.

[@trainfan-ks5hk]

I hate that they culled the damn cv tree for that new update

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

Massive maps and more secluded fights I want this back :(

[@SebaX92]

Massive maps in today’s camping meta? Dude.... pls no. In the past people were pushing much more. Even on NA server people are camping.

[@shoukatsukai]

"Good luck and have poi" yeah you can def feel the age of this replay lmao

[@Aerroon]

Yep

[@darb77]

Ngl i prefer these kind of « getting wrecked af by CV » than actual one. At least u use ur brain and it FEELS like a air supremacy and all CV stuff thing than a World of Naval Planes

[@bofaschmucosa]

i started playing after the rework. looking back this seems like such an easier method compared to the more battlefield-y version the remake provided

[@Aerroon]

The UI was significantly worse though. There was considerable input delay and you could only give about 2 commands a second or so. It did allow for more control over the map, but everything was significantly slower too.

[@bofaschmucosa]

if they worked on the rts style i think it'd easily wipe the third person style. I've ran into situations where my ryujo would have the free-est torpedo hits but i have to return to base just to control my cv in order to dodge torpedoes in the end I'd say it's personal preference, and the rts style seems more flexible in my opinion

[@MagnusVictor2015]

I wasn't in CBT, but I really miss the (pre-strafing) RTS CVs. They would devstrike you in a heartbeat if you misplayed, but at least a good player could really make CVs pay for damaging him. Not to mention the much longer time between strikes and the possibility of deplaning, or the actually-scary AA if you built for it, or the more-involved AA...

[@homefront1999]

I never understood the 'rework' we got, it seemed to just make it worse. The issue back then was that CV's weren't in many games, so people wouldn't go for an AA build and end up in a match with a cv. I actually remember having somewhat of fun being a ship and watching the planes come into aa range. Cause, while flawed, it was a satisfying feeling of watching an Iowa or Des Moines rip into the planes. But now, aa isn't really worth it. While yes, they did manage to nerf the potential damage of CV's into the ground. It's just not fun. Hold the W key for 30 seconds, dropping off a load, circling around and dying. It was also fun getting into fights with the CV's fighters. I miss being yelled at by my teammates to give air cover, and actually being able to do so. Now, you get yelled at by your teammates and you plop a fighter down that by the time it's ready, the enemy planes will be gone. The only real issue I had with these old CV's, was that the controls bugged me, as an RTS and strategy guy, the controls were nightmarish to me. I can't even remember how they worked, but I remember it not feeling right. In doing this 'rework' they actively made the CV's considerably less interesting and fun. I wouldn't even be against it if they just nerfed the health of planes or damage ability. At the end of the day, having 5 TB will net you a ton more damage than just one crappy TB, that won't even drop the entire load at once.

[@tommihommi1]

some of my favorite games in Wows was using the T6 Cleveland in division with a T7 CV to absolutely destroy higher tier planes. Good times.

[@homefront1999]

@@tommihommi1 Clevland used to be god tier. I remember complaining about the slow shell trajectory and thinking this would be buffed later on. I didn't realize that this was the downside to American ships. My fondest memories are all the back in the beta. When there was only Japanese Battleships and only American Carriers. I really don't know why, but it was really fun. I also remember the Shimakaze actually being viable back then and being a rival to the Gearing.

[@miwky406]

Never understood why this game didn't have build templates that you could just swap out before a match started, but after you saw the line up. Like, if you had multiple commanders/builds for the same ship, just switch out a non-AA build for an AA one when you see there is a carrier in play. I feel like it would have solved a lot of problems :p

[@tommihommi1]

@liam ekaf it used to be the case that if you were playing an AA ship, you could become a no--fly-zone out to 7km and completely delete an entire attack wave of a CV. I'm talking >20 plane kills in a few seconds. From the CV side, AA has become more interactive, while from the Cruiser side, it has become a lot less satisfying.

[@NavaNix]

Damn i miss the old carriers. back then you could take a ship and wipe entire squadrons or scare the planes off cause the CV did not want to run out of planes

[@brett76544]

Back when if A CV wanted you dead, you were dead Even Yamato's were not excluded.

[@Snagabott]

That was when battleships couldn't hit close to their ship. The dispersion ellipse never got smaller than their "regular" pattern which started at 60m for Americans and 72m for IJN. It was quite funny when the engine would force shells into that pattern from point blank range.... essentially they would fly out from the barrel at a 45 degree angle. You can see it at 11:50... that DM is pretty safe as long as he is in the Iowa's face, but once he overshoots, he's in trouble again.

[@Syrrani]

Good Old Days .... I miss the times there it was possible to "De-Plane" a CV

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Its still completely possible, dude. In most ships cases they have less planes than they did back during the RTS days, you're just made you're not swatting down twenty or thirty planes in a go anymore.

[@Syrrani]

@@palladiamorsdeus hmm true but since the rework and with it the change off aa it feels like a near impossible task

[@SkyKld]

Yeah me too .. I miss these. I know this not the best for some reason, but the Rework is just a prank and a really failure. I hope for 2021 Wows think too "remake" rework. Thank you for this gameplay and good memory Aerroon :)

[@julianheafy768]

We were happy and didn't know it 😭

[@Unitra2550]

ahhhhhh this brings back memories, back in the day, i would like to see some more rts gameplay

[@TurinekSS]

Damn, I miss RTS so much...

[@lisaruhm6681]

Oh, so this is the very olf cv, pre fighter squad.

[@s.antonio9554]

I no longer play, but I really enjoy coming here and watching how it was. Man, I really regret not having a good PC to run the game in those days. And I feel sorrow for what the game has become.

[@Aerroon]

Thanks! I feel like the game wouldn't have been much more fun to be on the receiving end of CVs as it is today though.

[@arandomfinnin1939]

Ah, those good old days

[@pureradio5655]

Thank you NATO. Very cool

[@enimious1]

I really miss the old layout of ice island map :( Sure it was really large but damn was it nice to play, and, come to think of it: with how long-range performance is dominant nowadays, this old map design could've been more interesting than ever

[@nailed2ax_126]

T9 Kagero, the ghost of T9 back then dam I miss playing back in these days

[@kevinzhu5591]

Talking about T9 Baltimore here as well.

[@moliangzhou1782]

I remember watching you featuring Haku when it came out multiple times...time flies really!

[@boreos3499]

After watching this, I can't believe there are so many people still saying they miss RTS CV's. Don't get me wrong, I would have really enjoyed a more "comprehensive tactical" version of playing CVs, but good lord this demonstrates how BS they were. The changes make them way more engaging to play by and large. And it's way easier to avoid and counter them. Great video, good for perspective.

[@Dumb-Comment]

People who are salty about the old system is because their CV sucked at protecting his ally, i have once encountered a pro cv player who toyed with me with his ONE squadron of fighters, somehow he absolutely destroyed me

[@skyyy4570]

God these old CVs would be insane at punishing solo ships

[@viking10194]

CBT. That brings me back. When the enemy got a carrier and your team got the fail division. Oh how I miss thee.

[@spectrumwarships8501]

I never was able to play the old CV, but this older version does exist in Blitz, and I think if it ever gets reintroduced I sure would want to play them in PC

[@kaizermierkrazy6886]

This style of carrier play is so much better

[@Arkarkyawwin]

Thank you. I joined the game in 2020 April to play CV. So I have no idea how RTS CV play look like. I would like to see more. Thanks.

[@trim406]

Goodness I miss these days

[@typezero_archange1593]

I could Still Remember the Time I Dev Striked a North Carol in my Reeeeeeyujo..... Aaahhhh.... Those were the Days....

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Did we all prefer RTS: Yes Are they going to bring them back if we whimper everytime a CV video gets posted: NO its been almost 3 years

[@palladiamorsdeus]

They've invested too much into this rework, yeah. It was also a litmus test for console CV's, which are now the test bed for things before they go to PC.

[@NCISCherno]

No fighter threat really makes it look much worse than it usually would be after strafing was added. And it also highlighted the issues with one team having a good CV and the other who was bad. Uncontested air attack was just as oppressive then as it is now.

[@SWIFTY_WINS]

I miss the old RTS CVs too, the rework looks cool and makes CVs more accessible to the masses and all, but between the rework only allowing control of a single squadron at a time now and the many many buffs to AA that have been implemented for surface ships of all classes the CV class in general has had its damage potential and battle influence severely neutered. I've been playing CVs since RTS style and I have 2 Tier X CVs now so while I'm not a CV main or a CV pro by any means I'd like to think I'm still decent in a CV, yet I still struggle to break 100K damage on a regular basis during the course of the average Tier X battle. Meanwhile I can hop into my Kremlin, Grober Kurfurst, Montana, Salem, Yoshino, etc. etc. and break 100K without even paying attention or really trying that hard... I don't think it's fair that a tier X CV needs to play in total try hard mode 24/7 to even try to have a decent outcome for the average match, while any other tier X ship class is capable of approaching and breaking up over 200k damage when they play in that same try hard mode. I think CVs need a buff already to either the potential damage that each attack can deal or simply a buff to the HP for each plane/squadron so they can survive this drastically OP AA for a little longer than they can currently. With most high tier battles containing multiple Smolensks, Minotaurs, Des Moines, and Worcesters that tend to group up with eachother or with their nearby battleships, it becomes next to impossible to even get near the enemy to deal any kind of meaningful damage even if you are willing to say f*ck it and just fly straight in with a full squadron and attack ASAP regardless of how many planes you might lose. In some cases no matter what you do or how you approach the enemy, there's just nothing you can do because of how strong AA is in general especially with lemming trained/grouped up enemy ships all popping defensive AA and reinforcing sectors.

[@xpercade8926]

they should just make the CVs like they are on blitz. Nobody really complains about CVs on blitz

[@joecool2810]

stubitman 12 watch your fucking mouth

[@joecool2810]

stubitman 12 CVs on Blitz are Cancer. Using VPNs to lag your planes so they can scout ahead yet when you stop lagging them they return to where they were pre lagging

[@joecool2810]

stubitman 12 also teleporting Planes. Planes that take no damage. Planes that won’t die until expel all their combined health. Fighters that won’t lock into dogfights.

[@joecool2810]

stubitman 12 CVs can use additional glitches in commander skill system that allow for planes to move 8% or 16% faster(depends on the glitches). You have torpedo planes that can go from traveling along side to you into a half second later releasing their torps into your broadside.

[@faiflowright01]

15 to 20km TORPEDOS at high speed and low detection. I miss those so much.

[@TiOBu4]

I got an Argentinian friend wich stopped playing since cv rework. He was good at playing cvs

[@khangan4334]

Good old day when you see Midway AP dive DM and send back to port in 3 minutes.

[@aetius9]

Yep, don't miss this at all.

[@GunnyGreenhill]

Was fun to watch an old game again. Never got the hang of playing higher tier CV’s, to many planes to handle.

[@ST-tn9ow]

i still miss RTS CV, they were not perfect but still with minor tweaks and adjustments they could had been better

[@Cyberboi]

Still wish they kept the ability to use all planes on 1 run, maybe a tier 4 skill or something in the new skill overhaul, so you'd have to sacrifice something else

[@blueangels111]

That would be suuuuuuuuuuuuuper broken. I dont care if you had to give up 10 skill points, that is so ungodly broken. I think we need an rts overhaul, but not a rework. The rework is what made them annoying. They were broken in rts, but they are just so infuriating to face now. Playing against old cvs was pretty fun at least, whereas now you just feel powerless and it is literally the most un fun thing on this planet. Id much rather have rts back

[@Cyberboi]

@@blueangels111 You definitely do not want old RTS back, did you not experience the RTS days or even watch the vid and see how utterly broken they were? It could easily be balanced if some basic thought was put into it. Because they'd be huddled together their resistance to flak would be decreased drastically, meaning you risk losing a ton of aircraft per flight in exchange for more torpedoes/bombs dropped, their concealment would be worse as well. Attackers would still remain the same though.

[@annofan-jz7dq]

I always played my Bogue with a full fighter setup 2x6 Fighters and 1x6 Bombers to ruin the matches for CVs who ruined my BB matches. I liked it and I miss those days.

Thanks for that video. It brought a lot of memories. Please feature Saipan game.

[@apzm0799]

Ah i remember these times it was my favorite time playing cvs and was honestly more fun then current cvs i wish it was just this with the reloading planes we have now

[@skdKitsune]

I miss RTS CV's. Should have just nerfed T10's and the premiums and fixed the UI bugs and call it a day. The new ones are just plain boring to play and fight.

[@slingshot99]

And not fun to play anymore. :C

[@RothankX4RE]

so true. I loved old CVs. I was reaaaly good at them too. Left the game for about a year when WG reworked them into this unfunny mess they are now.

[@cobrazax]

just needed some tweaks for RTS CVs...like longer torp arming distance to allow dodging to work better. AA stronger over time to remove perma DD spotting. maybe limit spotting data to 1-2 squads at a time to limit mapwide spotting. i really liked my CVs and had them all...now i refunded all and never play them. so boring.

[@stoirmslw7195]

when they changed CVs I quit playing I didn't and still don't find the rest of the game that entertaining I wish thay had added a hybrid system of what is in now and the old RTS system

[@cobrazax]

@@stoirmslw7195 I still play but never touch the new cvs. So boring...

[@soldierxgaming8753]

The kill sound is better here than nowadays

[@lerbronk]

people may says that rts do ez dev strike. but for one sq of torpedo bombers to strike once and ready up, it needs 7minutes.

[@Aerroon]

This is true!

[@brucewayneisdeadpool830]

Am I only one that noticed the old music... Damn the nostalgia.

[@jmackmcneill]

I miss playing this format so much...

[@orangedream267]

I want that map back. The south east looks to be fantastic for DD duels. And french sneakings.

[@darb77]

CV RTS needed just good tweaks with spotting system and AA system. Changing the whole thing just makes it sooo bad now... doesn’t feels immersive as a CV captain at all.

[@eiskaffe0]

I remember when i played CVs like this I used the map for controlling the planes for some reason.

[@warhammervietnam5770]

Ah RTS Cv was great they just have to add fuel consumption in the squardon to prevent cv striking cv at the beginning of the game and it would have been great.

[@Aerroon]

I think it would've been an interesting idea. Add fuel to planes, minimap spotting and reduce CV concealment. That way CVs have an incentive and the ability to actually go closer to the battle. This would also put their ship at risk when somebody flanks or catches them off guard.

[@warhammervietnam5770]

@@Aerroon if you ever play the game call navyfield my first ww2 online naval game, you can see that airplane have fuel consumption which make it really strategic, cv can customize their airplane composition for each squadron etc. You can even play as ecv that fill with very fast and strong fighter but very high fuel consumption etc. flak is manual control, these are thing that could be add into wows. However we get none of that but what we have now.

[@cedric1731]

Just realized I still got some games left as well from that time. E.g. a Clemson with 4 devastating strikes and 100k or Zuiho games :D If you want you can have them and do a comentary or whatsoever out of it... There are some neat little games :D (I got them as video files in 2k so they might be quite large as they are still uncompressed.)

[@martinxxcz2919]

I remember how i first played Bogue with 1 fighter and 1 torpedo bomber, and then after american cvs lost availability to change decks it was ship that could bullyeveryone

[@Halbostfriese]

Oh those were the days, when AA actually meant something...

[@zublacus]

@liam ekaf No it doesn't. There's only a very small number of ships that have AA. Back then, if you flew to a Des Moines....You lost ALL your stuff...GONE. Texas? GONE. There were many Cruisers that were No fly zones.

[@badkarma3059]

always makes me laugh when players now complain about how O.P. CVs are. Guess then never knew what it was like to get deleted in one strike. QQ nation lol

[@2fame4name24]

Well and, whats your point? Just because something was more disgusting a few years ago, you have no right to complain? Nice logic....

[@minghinleung6560]

I really miss these sound effect and RTS

[@vecioalpin8998]

This video should be show to those who says that CV back in those days were more balance. I remember very well when a good Hakuryu player could delete a montana witha single strike like you did at the enemy CV.

[@kusajko3644]

Yeah i remember deleting BBs in one torpedo drop too. And I remember how they just moved in one line, not trying to dodge. Honestly I think carriers back in the day while being OP in the hands of good player were MUCH easier to actually balance than the new ones. You just had to do some tweaks to torpedo damage and absolutly do something about AP bombs cause they were an actual cancer.

[@Scarheart76]

This is some nostalgia!

[@thepavl]

I remember all iterations of this map. I think the second was the best

[@canivor81]

Wow can remember a lot of CV Main defending this as completly fine

[@Pigeon-py7kx]

I miss the old Island of Ice...... You can push in easily with the cover of those small Islands which makes it enjoyable to play

[@captbambino3638]

Do you have any Midway gameplay? I would love to see what the RTS gamestyle would look like with the Midway

[@happycatto9555]

Aerron I think that the old RTS system was unbalanced, but I also think that they had way more potential to be balanced than the new CVs we have today. However WG never considered to fully change the RTS to balanced it more that i was.

[@HighCalibr]

What did I miss out on? I joined mid 2019 right as the CV rework was being introduced. :(

[@Aerroon]

RTS CVs that made current CVs look kind of like a joke.

[@dgray3771]

I remember the first time they released the new style and Haku had the heavy torp bombers. You could do a tripple strike insta delete the enemy cv at the start of the game. They quickly removed that. Such a shame...

[@Aerroon]

I find it weird that that was removed, because the triple strike was just dropping the torps in a line. You could just accelerate when you saw the planes to dodge it...

[@dgray3771]

@@Aerroon Some players had a ...late load into the game. Then they'd spawn and were already dead.

[@YagabodooN]

Ahh yes, back in the good old days when a CV actually had to live with the consequences of missing drops and losing planes.

[@xyz-uf6vf]

and when he was able to dev strike full hp bb, ahh yes

[@infinitytacoz]

I remember all this! I miss all the old sounds!

[@warmike]

5:27 as a WoWS Blitz CV main (we still have RTS) I FUCKING HATE that mechanic

[@IV-V-vi]

DAMN TRUE happens all the time with torpedo bombers turning around so many damn times just to hit a ship

[@-ZM_Gaming-]

​@@IV-V-viespecially when the ship is atleast 30 knots, man that lost me a couple of planes

[@quatschkopq186]

12:23 Don't those ribbons look better than the current ones?

[@Magick_-lx7dm]

These old times :) I'm actually a bit sad, that they not overworked this system, but instead reworked them completly...

[@sacer666]

aaahh! Old islands of ice

[@ST-tn9ow]

can u show harkuryu fighter jets gameplay? There are midway jets gameplay but not for hakuryu

[@zam023]

I think to balance CV in the RTS mode WG should just nerf torp bombers, since they are air-borne torps they should not have a dmg output. So, even when you group up your torp bombers, it would not delete a ship in one strike.

[@nooblangpoo]

I feel that the old rts is more harsher than today's single plane cv.