After Morbius: Can Sony's Spider-Verse be Salvaged?

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Morbius was terrible. So where does Sony go from here? I dig into the Spider-Verse here. Venom, Spider-Man, Black Cat, Kraven the Hunter, what should they do with it all?
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[@captainmidnight]

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[@anubusx]

Give Garfield more screen time.

[@anubusx]

The first ASM is still visually really beautiful.

[@yonical5857]

@@anubusx I'm in the minority it seems, but the first ASM is, to me, extremely boring. It's fine, I guess.

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

For them to stop production on the Morbius movie and cancel everything else on their slate

[@Mitcheck315]

the same thing I want from marvel proper and DC, ditch the cinematic universe concept entirely and make unique director driven stories that aren't obligated to set up more movies

[@Repicheep22]

"Everyone wants to make the next Avengers, but no one wants to make the next Iron Man." I can't remember where I heard that, but I think this explains why so many superhero movies fail these days. Every studio wants to reap the benefits of having their own cinematic universe without laying the groundwork. What they forget is that Marvel's Stage 1 films had virtually no interconnectivity, mostly limiting it to after-credits scenes. And only once they had a solid down-to-earth foundation laid, did they start moving into the weirder aspects of their lore.

[@4ProStudios]

I think The closer look said that In a video he made about cinematic universes,

[@tyde4610]

this is so real, and even after avengers when most people knew the films were connected, most the movies were still mostly stand alone with just slightly more crossover stuff and still mostly left that to the avengers movies

[@wdcain1]

That is such a good quote. I remember how the Dark Universe failed despite Tom Cruise's Mummy film having a decent story but all the pointless shared-universe stuff weighed it down.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Pretty much.

[@IScreamedWolf]

Facts even after the first avengers there wasn’t a crazy amount of crossovers til like halfway through phase 2 if I recall correct

[@blank7764]

The best scene in morbius for me is when he said "It's morbin time" then morbed the entire room. Definitely one of the movies of all time

[@bullymaguire6091]

All of the characters are so. In every scene, I felt. Gotta be one of my movies ever made.

[@veermanghnani]

hhahhahaaahagagha

[@jamangel]

@@bullymaguire6091 lol

[@SarcasticDuck]

@@bullymaguire6091 I don't. I just can't. This dude really thinks?

[@onyourleft5648]

It really exists. My feelings are strong that a morbius exists. It is a movie, and the scene in which morbius is morbius is in fact filled with a single morbius. One cannot ask for more than one morbius in a movie about a single morbius.

[@devaunbeats]

I don't give SONY any credit for Into The Spider-Verse because it was so good BECAUSE Sony didn't interfere. They didn't think it would do well and left the creators to do their own thing.

[@IcyDiamond]

That makes me worried about Spider-Verse 2

[@kayjaypug]

@@IcyDiamond Too true.

[@asr2021]

@@IcyDiamond Don't worry! Spider-Verse 2 will be the best. Spider-Verse 3 will be the worst and Spider-Verse 4 will not be made.

[@jamesmutombo5565]

Lord and Miller say otherwise

[@amadeusbintang6914]

@@asr2021 Oh no, they're gonna force Venom into the third film, again!

[@Zombiesnyder13]

VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT And now KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT Sony's cinematic universe is doomed to fail

[@ytuser_3122]

Sony: *Hire bad writers* Also Sony: Why are these films not doing well with critics?

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

@@ytuser_3122 Oh no, Sony understands fully why. They just hope the movies make bank anyway. They got lucky with Venom but Morbius had their luck running out.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@ytuser_3122 because they keep AVI ARAD in charge And the dude has less ambition than a steam train powered by money

[@jewelyJewels]

Venom 2 had Andy fucking Serkis tho. And I loved that movie personally. Much better than the original venom which was utterly determined to try and take it's self too seriously, when all the best parts were the buddy cop dynamic, Hardy's hilarious over the top acting, and the nonsensical over the top action, and the cute little relationships and interactions between the dumb characters which were actually pretty sweet. Venom 2 leaned hard into all that shit and I loved it.

[@singletona082]

@@jewelyJewels Venom 2 succeeded in spite of itself because the director and actors put everything they had into it. So even though i see the things it fell down on (the peter mulligan EVERYTHING... dude is an unrelenting asshole. Why eddie has to run at the end making no sense, etc) it felt like a good fun movie that didn't overstay its welcome. 'But the ybackslit on eddie and venom's dynamic.' Dude the honeymoon period ended. venom is chafing at not being able t ogo wherever and do whatever, and eddie's floundering. All relationships go through these growing pains and these two literally can't go to their seperate corners and get help re-centering.

[@biocapsule7311]

The problem is that they are trying to build "something" without knowing what that thing is, thinking they can just make it up as they go along, banking that the MCU is enough to carry them until something sticks.

[@thepubknight6144]

Sony saw the success of the spider verse and went "we can do this on a live action scale without near the heart and lore of the comics"

[@biocapsule7311]

@@thepubknight6144 Honestly... Morbius could have worked if they just wait a bit and do an adaption of the 90s cartoon version where they have Spider-Man, Blade and Morbius against Marvel vampires.

[@nicholashylton6857]

It keeps their costs down if they let the MCU do the heavy lifting.

[@radrno7]

@@nicholashylton6857 Yea, but if they make the movie all by themselves, they get all of the profit, not having to give anything to Marvel or Disney.

[@nicholashylton6857]

@@radrno7 Yes, I know. Sony is so fixated eating the whole cake, they don't care if it tastes terrible for audiences.

[@mikefloyd3152]

I loved the scene when Ius was bitten by the Morb and he said " I am becoming the Morbius". It was definitely one of the films of all time.

[@Stinkoman87]

And then he said, "Bleh! It feels like I'm becoming a vampire, bleh! I vant to drink blood!"

[@maximussaktish]

And at the end when jared leto said "so thats it, we're some kind of morbius"

[@christophermallett7983]

Maybe the real Morbius was the friends we made along the way

[@mikefloyd3152]

@@maximussaktish you win bruh heres your prize🏆

[@mgc9965]

Nonsense How is it "It's Morbing time!" not your favourite moment? It was the defining moment in all of cinema.

[@jacksonjordan4429]

Can we just appreciate how captain midnight never exaggerates his feeling towards a film or show and gives not only a good critique but also tips on how to possibly make it better.

[@joshfriedman7099]

Authenticity in movie criticism is sorely lacking on KZbin. Just clickbait titles and pompous video essays about why they’re opinion (often a contrarian one) makes them smarter than everyone else.

[@IcyDiamond]

Yeah he’s so calm compared to other film critic KZbinrs

[@Blitz-dm3kv]

I like that he's not condescending like a lot of other KZbinrs who make video essays.

[@colemcgwire1950]

It’s so weird seeing people talk about movies on video essays and say shit like “this movie BROKE me”

[@srivatsavyaddanapudi7772]

While I do enjoy the emotional film reviews (I find them funny tbh more than anything) this style works great in film critique and Cap Midnight is damn good at this

[@spoonabenson8762]

Still crazy how the MCU is the only cinematic universe that has been sustained and still gets people hyped while also creating enjoyable movies.

[@ytuser_3122]

They did what Sony and other studios failed to do: Worry about making a good movie first, set up a universe later.

[@spoonabenson8762]

@@ytuser_3122 yeah the only MCU film that heavily felt like it was setting up other movies was Age of Ultron. Yet that movie to me was still enjoyable due to the character interactions and Ultron himself. Since then they haven’t really done anything like that again which is for the better

[@raichu753siordia2]

Sonic Supremacy

[@nathanwilson5565]

I’d give the Conjuring universe credit

[@ukculture9240]

Well that’s what happens when your owned by Disney 😅 you control the critics and have the most money resources and promotion in the business the MCU universe was destined to keep going strong

[@sam7732]

Honestly, as someone who really loved Venom 2, I feel like the answer is simple - embrace the fact that they're making silly B-movies. Venom 2 felt like it could've been a Roger Corman schlocky movie if it'd been made back in the 70s, and Andy Serkis fully embraced that tone for the better. And of all Spidey's minor characters, Morbius slots into that vibe even more than Venom - a doctor who turns himself into a vampire? That's perfect for silliness! And yet Morbius takes itself so incredibly seriously - it refuses to go full camp, but it also refuses to go beyond a PG-13 rating and embrace the horror, hence why it just felt bland

[@bullymaguire6091]

If these movies can feel like a 60’s era, goofy comic, they might have something going for them

[@HonestObserver]

I like this idea because the problem with the MCU, and most of the DCEU when they're trying to imitate Marvel, is that these movies are huge, epic, and tiring. We could use fewer Eternals and more Shazams. If Morbius was more like pre-Iron Man era movies like, say, Blade, it could've been more light and fun. As you say, campy. Also Jared Leto likes to go all out into madness (see his performance in House of Gucci) so they really should have just let him ham it up instead of playing it straight.

[@justinarzola5782]

Yeah it would've been cool to embrace the 70s horror vibe like how the character was in that era.

[@TheDCbiz]

Batman and Robin killed campy comic book films thats why we got Nolan films. Rami tried bringing them back but Spiderman 3 being poor received reaffirmed that. The mcu films or a lot of the are very campy compared to other comic book films but in a more wink wink nudge nudge kind of way not like Batman and Robin or 60's Batman campiness. I say stay in the horror lane. Horror does well financially. Campy b movies are destined to be doomed unless they ride a very tight balance.

[@darwincity]

I think that giving Morbius to a man who made one (1) sci-fi film and proclaimed it an equal to 2001: A Space Odyssey was a risky bet.

[@mexicandruglord]

I just don't understand why they need to drag the MCU into this mess, couldn't they just made the Vulture a variant instead of actually making him the same person.

[@chrisgreig98]

In all fairness, we shouldn't act like Disney is an innocent victim who was needlessly dragged into another studio's mess... They've done it themselves in the past, Dark Phoenix being a prime example. That was supposed to be two films, following the comics closely as a way to basically apologise to fans for X-Men: The Last Stand. We were gonna have the Skrulls as the main villains, Magneto leading the Hellfire Club in Genosha (with January Jones returning as Emma Frost & Olivia Munn as Psylocke), Xavier's relationship with Lilandra, a more accurate Phoenix design (with the costume) and so much more. But when Disney bought Fox they made them change it from two films down to one, and further from 2hrs 45mins with a massive UN battle scene down to a trimmed 1hr 50mins mess after they wanted the Skrulls to be saved for Captain Marvel. They even made them change Jean's Phoenix design so they could keep it in their back pocket should they decide to use it in the MCU down the line... Disney's done it as well, so I don't think people should be so quick to feel back for them when Sony done it in Morbius.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@chrisgreig98 Disney didn't force FOX to do any of that. FOX chose to do that.

[@Ineedgames]

Because Sony are incapable of making their own success and are ran by morons. It's even affecting their own games like Gran Turismo.

[@chrisgreig98]

@@ShadowSonic2 That makes no sense, Fox were mid way through building sets and then they were forced to abandoned them before they were finished due to being told to scale the film down and wrap up the franchise, cancelling not only Dark Phoenix but the New Mutants trilogy and the Gambit solo film (which was cast and was just about to start filming in New Orleans before it was canned according to Channing Tatum)... Fox, told themselves to make their film smaller and cancel their big Marvel property, and the Disney merger had absolutely no impact on that decision? Makes perfect sense

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@chrisgreig98 Fox didn't have to make it smaller, they could have just made it a longer movie to wrap it all up. They chose a shorter cheaper film.

[@tux75]

Morbius is, without a doubt, the most film I have ever seen. It’s characters and plot are, it’s writing is, and the acting is done. Definitely one of the Marvel movies ever made

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

It’s Definitely the movie ever

[@AdamSoucyDrums]

Movie/10

[@anubusx]

The most ever?

[@mikefloyd3152]

Its one of my films of all time

[@iamwyse1269]

After seeing Morbius it definitely was, I give it 2 fingers up. I rate this.

[@jackacebedo2318]

Honestly I think it’s about high time Sony pack it in trying to make this spiderverse happen. They’ve been trying to push this stuff for 8 years. Amazing Spider-man 2 tanked because of Sony’s meddling. They win an Oscar for Into the Spiderverse, and No Way Home was an insane financial success. But something about their handling of the Spider-Man brand feels very similar to Warner Brother’s handling of DC. They’re chasing the dollar signs. I agree with Captain when he says we need more bold movies. There’s a reason The Batman was kicking ass at the box office despite no connection to a prior cinematic universe. We need to let go of the idea that having a cinematic universe means a lot of money. Good movies means a lot of money.

[@adamkalb1]

At this point, it should be common sense that letting the writers and directors do their own thing will work out and make more money in the long term 80% of the time. Instead of chasing dollar signs, you have to wait to let them come to you, if that makes any sense to you. April 17, 2022, 11:25pm

[@DUDEBroHey]

Ya no way home made a lot of movies and it was garbage movie with a few great moments. Back home i easily have over 200 Spider-Man comics but haven't read one in years. I was an avid comic reader for years. Any depiction of Spider-Man is probably better than Tom Holland's.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Using Spider-Verse as an example of how Sony can make a good Spider-Man movie isn't great because that's not really Sony. They gave control to Lord and Miller and their team, similar to with Marvel Studios.

[@JerkWarlord]

Sounds like exactly how Sony can make a good Spider-Man movie then. They can do it by staying in their lane (funding the project) and not trying to control any more than that. In other words, by precisely doing what they did with the Home trilogy and Spider-Verse: Giving creative control to others. Same shit they did with Raimi 1&2, and same reason Raimi 3 failed. Same reason TASM2 failed. etc. Spider-Verse is exactly the example for how Sony can make a good Spider-Man movie lol.

[@chem.4919]

@@JerkWarlord Totally agree with this. Instead of trying to create their own MCU, just give the characters to the MCU and cash in from their success.

[@nicholashylton6857]

@@chem.4919 By making the movies themselves they get _all_ the box office and don't have to share it with Marvel.

[@chem.4919]

@@nicholashylton6857 True but the latest crop of spin-off Spidey movies aren't hitting with the same success as their Marvel Studio collaborations. Give these characters to Marvel Studios and let them make the creative decisions. Sure Marvel Studios takes a cut of the box office but usually MCU movies make more than Sony. And Sony can also get paid by letting Marvel Studios use Spidey characters in their movies. You can't tell me Morbius vs Blade wouldn't get people in the theater.

[@nicholashylton6857]

@@chem.4919 We fans would like that, but Sony is only obligated to put out a Spider-Man film every 5 years or so. The character is extremely popular and so Sony is virtually guaranteed to get money back on its investment regardless of the quality of the film. If the movie is a box office hit, then bonus! That is a _very_ sweet deal. Selling Spider-Man back to the MCU would be killing the Golden Goose in their eyes.

[@huddolife4830]

I saw so many people hyped for this movie because they thought Andrew's Spider-Man was going to appear. Of course that didn't end up happening, but its funny how people were more excited to maybe seeing Andrew again over Morbius in his own movie.

[@Molly-ml1wn]

That's like 30 movies in the MCU. Let me say this as clearly as I can: I don't WANT anyone else to have a franchise that prolific. I want to see more _Arrivals, French Dispatches, Everythings Everwheres Alls At Onces,_ and _Mitchelses versus the Machineses._ We haven't lost our ability to create or adapt amazing *original* movies. But everyone trying to make their own Cinematic universe is desperately trying to change that.

[@TheDCbiz]

Uhhh how do you think those films are financed? Movies like bvs or no way home pay the bills so studios can make those art house films. Those don't make avengers $. Thy don't even make eternals $. Those films are made more and more by the success of franchises. Without successful franchise films, none of the films you named will be made. Times have changed. In the streaming era with oversaturation of premium content, franchise films are what subsidizes the avant garde films.

[@radrno7]

You're just limiting the market and the craft of itself then. Wanting franchises to not succeed is basically like saying "it's not what I like so I hope it stops existing". Those franchises are a part of the "Arrivals" and all those arthouse films you enjoy so much. Unfortunately to get diamonds in the film business, you'll have to go through the coal. That's industry for ya. You never know what you're gonna get.

[@29holden]

I don’t know. I feel like a cinematic universe should be something that makes the movies better, not the goal of making the movies. The creators should WANT to make this universe of characters, not the studios. The DCEU would have had a solid chance, if they didn’t go and blow their wad of characters in the second movie. But you build up a story, have a focus on a single plot, then maybe make spin offs, or other stories in that universe that don’t involve all, or even any, of the previous characters, and you have a solid chance for an extended universe.

[@twistedgambit9084]

EEAAO would be amazing as a sequel identity!

[@AtticusFink]

I think a major hurdle for Sony is one that Warner Brothers has: no clear guidance. Marvel films do suffer from a same-iness, but their cohesion comes from the same root cause, that being Kevin Feige. I think someone like Feige knows that for every No Way Home, you're going to have an Eternals, and you have to keep rolling through it. I'm not trying to applaud him as a visionary; this process seems to shun interesting filmmakers (see Edgar Wright, and I'm curious to see what Sam Raimi can do under this), and it turns movie making into even more of an industrial product. But I think that kind of direction to let things cook until they're done, before you bust out your huge superhero smash up (*cough* BvS), has been a benefit for the series as a whole. If Feige isn't the CEO of Disney in the next 20 years, I'll be surprised. If this was a comic book publisher, what they lack is a good editorial team with a view of the whole picture.

[@adamkalb1]

Like many other people who want Disney to have a better CEO than Mr. Chapek, I was rolling for Josh D'Amaro to be the CEO of Disney, but you also make a really good case for Kevin Feige to be the new CEO, if he can manage the rest of Disney as well as he does for Marvel Studios alone. If he has really good financial skills, he could figure out how to save some money to revive Blue Sky Studios! I know all of the Ice Age and Rio and Horton Hears A Who fans who were let down would want that. 👍 Thank you, Chris Henry! April 17, 2022, 11:23pm

[@jcruz2255]

I really liked Andrew Garfield in the "Amazing Spidey" movies and having him show up for the next Venom is a great idea.

[@icedcapplord710]

Regardless of how this Sonyverse turns out I gotta commend them a little bit for being so committed to trying to make Sinister Six happen on their own turf, especially when the MCU could probably do that idea way more justice The only Sony-Marvel universe I care about at this point is the Insomniac Games universe

[@SkylightCiel]

Either Sony needs to completely change their plans with these villain movies or completely start from zero again with something else cause it's clearly not working

[@mastaimpasta5044]

Morbius is a movie, definitely one of the movies of the year. Of the superhero movie lineup, it's arguably the most movie, with characters, writing, and a plot. Movie.

[@theguardian1993]

Yes it movie

[@elloowu6293]

I like the idea that Sony should be making actual villain movies vs these mixes of anti hero and hero. The sinister 6 aren't anti heros. And no one else is making legit villain movies

[@justinarzola5782]

Yeah it makes sense for venom since he's an anti hero in comics but dosent make sense for other Spidey villains.

[@tcrpgfan]

@@justinarzola5782 But then you realize one thing.... none of these characters barring vulture actually have beef with spider-man since they never met up with him.

[@calebray1834]

Heck even Vulture squashed his beef with Spider-Man after he saved him at the end of Homecoming.

[@elloowu6293]

@@tcrpgfan exactly, build them up as actual villans that pose a legit threat, then eventually throw em at spider man. Have non here's trying to stop them and fail building them up

[@TheDCbiz]

Warner Bros is with films like joker. I think a Mr freeze joker style film could do well. Maybe that'll be saved for the Batman idk

[@lkf8799]

They didn't do enough of the groundwork establishing the characters. As it was he was a weak stand alone character so it would have been better to beef up the supporting characters or even better, have him as part of an ensemble 🤔 Another big issue IMO is the studios feeling the need to do origin stories for a character like this when a flashback in a better story with a better developed character would suffice.

[@thepubknight6144]

Morbius is a r rated type of anti hero...and why would they take away vulture's chitauri tech origins just to force their own Sony verse?

[@rommix0]

True. I mean Sony Pictures Animation is a different beast compared to regular Sony. SPA also put out Mitchells vs the Machines which is another good movie.

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

This whole Morbius idea seems to stem from around the release of Amazing Spider Man 2, when Sony were planning on releasing all these spin off movies. Some of them being Aunt May, Kraven the Hunter, Venom, Spider Gwen, etc. This seems to be a remnant from that time period and after Venom and recent Spider Man movies, Sony greedily put Morbius Venom and whatever else they could into production. The Raimi Spider Man graffiti image and Keatons Vulture in Morbius where inserted into the script or production design, inconsequentially.

[@thejonkler224]

An aunt may spinoff??? How in the world would Sony ever pull that off

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

@@thejonkler224 you didn't know about that? Yeah, that was going to happen at one point and I think it was supposed to be the Sally Fields Aunt May from the Amazing Spider Man movies. 🕷

[@thejonkler224]

@@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast that would have been... interesting to see

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

@@thejonkler224 what's your thoughts on this Kravem The Hunter movie that's being made now? For me, I don't have any confidence nor any interest in that one at all

[@thejonkler224]

@@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast I feel about the same. I honestly had no interest before, but now after morbious I have no interest and I'm like 80% sure it's gonna be bad

[@livelierfellow]

I think Shazam! is an example of what you mean by making bold artistic and visual choices. It feels as much like a buddy comedy a la "Big" or "Goonies" as it does a superhero movie and that helped it feel fresh and interesting. It wasn't as much about introducing Shazam into the DCEU as it was telling a story that happened to occur in the DCEU which made it far easier to digest.

[@spoonabenson8762]

As someone who didn’t really love Spider-Verse as much as everyone else I agree that animation is where these characters shine. The aesthetic of Spider-Verse was definitely my favorite part of it

[@alphacountdownlists7111]

I just wanna see someone other than the mcu have a decent cinematic universe

[@dietznuts8106]

I for one, am a casual enjoyer of the Based-on-a-true-story Cinematic Universe. There's a whole lot of them, and the continuity and consistency is on point most of the time

[@thatguywiththecoolusername6787]

Monsterverse ain’t too bad

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Monsterverse is the closest but I'm not a fan of GvK and Skull Island.

[@rommix0]

Or here's a thought. How about not make a cinematic universe at all and start making stand alone movies again. We've seen what happened to Game of Thrones.

[@TheDCbiz]

I'm convinced no other studio has the patience of marvel studios despite seeing the big rewards. It'd be nice but at this point please make good solo films studios and if a film universe can occur let it be, stop trying to make one happen and just make solo films like joker or The Batman to use as jumping off points

[@IcyDiamond]

They need to put more faith in the directors and creatives instead of trying to control every little aspect to set up a Sinister Six movie

[@crazyimaginations1244]

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[@venom7558]

Venom is,obviously,my all time favorite villain and one of my all time favorite characters in general. The Venom movies are fun...but dumb. They lean WAYYY too much on comedy. Venom himself can be an anti-hero,sure. Although,again I do prefer him as a villain. But,I wanted to see a more badass,scary and complex Venom film. The scripts needs work,but the tone is also in question too.

[@singletona082]

The problem is up until the donny cates run that is what venom generally was.... a GOOFBALL. Even as a straight up spiderman villain dude was... a damned goof half the time. Hammy and larger than life and this was the leifield era where Eddie brock had a flat top haircut and was built like a joestar on steroids. Go look at the actual majority of the venom run. yes there is complexity there and I love the dynamic but 'oh waaah i wanted scary angsty badass venom.'

[@venom7558]

I understand what you're saying and I agree with it. I mainly read the McFarlene/Larsen era. At times he could be a goof. I guess what I'm trying to say is that,at least to me he was still intimidating in those issues. I especially remember in Mcfarlene's run that Spidey was scared of him. Even in Spider-man 3(which I do love)he felt more like Venom to me than he does in these newer movies. You can have the character be silly sometimes,but still have there be an unpredictability and menace to him. He'll crack a joke,but then rip out someone's spine. Just my opinion,however.

[@Gloomdrake]

I think it's comedy because they don't seem to like the idea of making the villains of their villain lead movies be very villainous. So they make the tone lighter so that they can gloss over the potential horror. It seems to be shooting themselves in the foot

[@calebray1834]

Right if you’re doing a VILLAIN movie let them be a villain.

[@TheLionKiller101]

@@singletona082 I don’t think the weird goofy campy tone works for the movies. That’s not how people see the character. I actually hope they consult with Donny Cates on the next one to figure these movies out.

[@CybershamanX]

They leaned SO HEAVILY into Venom and even the "real" MCU in the trailers that it's no wonder people were pissed. I've been saying for a while now that Sony was tempting fate by confusing people into thinking their films were part of the MCU. Oh, well. Sucks to be you, Sony. 😉

[@fyrijou5202]

Imagine with the right Director, Kraven could turn out to be like Rambo. A guy who uses the jungle and his own Hunting skills to take down the modern Army who have far surpassed him in firepower and equipment, only for him to have like Wooden traps that impales the soldiers and etc.

[@theyounglinksociety6258]

How to fix the Sony Spider-Man Universe Step 1: Make a film about Matt Smith's character Step 2: Make a sequel to Matt Smith's film Step 3: make a third film in the Matt Smith Trilogy Step 4: Retire knowing you've made the greatest series of films ever made.

[@channelsofash]

Some of the Spider-Man villains really need Spider-Man for their stories to work. Instead of thinking they can turn every Spider villain into a Sinister Six series of connected films maybe they need to focus a bit on the various Spider heroes they have. With an endless Spiderverse there have to be a few good Spider people to make a movie about.

[@StuartLugsden]

I just want Sony to give up the rights. Make their version of Venom and everything in his universe part of the MCU, finish the Spiderverse and cancel everything else.

[@professoridiot26]

Tom Hardy Venom in the MCU REALLY should have stuck, plus I wanna see him and Tom’s Spidey fight

[@MapleStoryRocks009]

A Robert Eggers Kraven story is something I didn’t know I needed until now

[@willswanson4264]

it would be amazing but there's exactly 0% chance of it happening

[@_cat_smith_]

I always thought that the leaked "Thelma and Louise" style script for Silver and Black had serious potential, and would have been a great movie in the right hands after a few more drafts.

[@TheDCbiz]

Please no, I'd like to see black cat be a former widow interacting with a slowly more darker Holland Spiderman film with him even getting black suit too. Pair silver sable with spider woman (Jessica drew)

[@pedrovallefin8406]

@@TheDCbiz A former window? What?

[@margiesings]

I’ve gotta say, I’ve watched A TON of videos on Morbius, and you absolutely nailed it with this one. Great commentary man, love your videos!

[@wdcain1]

SONY should follow DC's model with individual styles for each movie like Blackcat being a fun heist film, Silver Sable doing the mercenary/spy genre, and Mania doing edgy gothic supernatural tales.

[@batistaandreymyst]

I actually liked Let There Be Carnage. Was a solid follow-up to Venom for me, Morbius was very disappointing however

[@batistaandreymyst]

@MajorGalah agreed. One of the more puzzling decisions they made

[@darwincity]

I think that having an actor of the caliber of Tom Hardy helps. Jared Leto is comically unreliable.

[@silverbification]

Captain midnight you've come such a long way great job

[@ajayr1383]

As everyone else has said; I really would love to see venom and tasm taking place in the same universe. I think they fit pretty well with each other. Hopefully Sony can make that work well.

[@carlossuarez4702]

i always wonder if anyone from these studios ever come accross videos like yours. I would LOVE to see the gears turning when they hear intelligent and critical critiques. i really hope the right people come here.

[@MarkTheCat]

i don’t think that people who make strategic decisions watch youtube. but even if they do, i bet they don’t watch anything geek-related as they are 50+ years old and don’t care about comics and superhero movies at all

[@LightsOnTrees]

I think unfortunately what we're seeing is that Studios like Paramount and Sony are simply not cut out to survive in the current landscape. Yet each have an IP (Star Trek and Spider-Man) that has a sufficient enough legacy to, for some time yet, counterbalance their poor management. Without Spider-Man my money would be on the fact that Sony would of sold off it's movie making interests quite a few years ago, and though Paramount is different, without Star Trek, they don't have a lot of IP's to succeed outside of the previous distribution model before the streaming wars. Sad as it is I think we're going to see fairly terrible continuations of both franchises for quite some time as low level interest generates enough money to insulate executive level decision making from creatively rewarding risks. The first thing Sony did after the success of Into the Spider-Verse (a film which by the way had a budget half that of Homecoming) was to set up a whole slew of projects in the same vein with the same creative team. They aren't interested in the least with original film making, they want a formula and they will happily run the franchise into ground trying to find it.

[@armygeneral2023]

My favorite part of the video is when it starts and captain midnight says “it’s midnight time”

[@Ultinuc]

Bargain Bin is the exact term I would use to describe Morbius. it feels like the kind of movie you forget and then remember 7 years later and wonder if it was even as bad as you remember, then you watch it, and question if it really came out the year it did, then look it up, find out it did, and you question how the movie ever even made it out of the editing room

[@Odyssey_Central]

With how much money morbius made they probably have the budget to make the next films masterpieces! (Just like morbius!)

[@IcyDiamond]

Morbid is almost as good as Rosalina is

[@JerryFlowersIII]

Kraven is one of the characters I'm most excited to see jump to the movies. Boy I don't have faith it could work in SONYs current state but there's no reason it CAN'T work. You gave a great example and I would love to see it happen.

[@extremetoast5723]

But Kraven without Spider-Man? No thanks. It’s weird that Sony have about nine choices of Spider-Man - Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, a new actor for Peter or Miles, or even bringing back Emma stone and doing Ghost Spider. Makes me think that the Disney-Sony deal somehow restricts them from outright using Spider-Man.

[@TheDCbiz]

I have no faith in Sony not to fuck up making kraven for the big screen.

[@calebray1834]

Can’t believe this character is being waisted in a crappy solo film, when we could be getting him in a future Spider-Man film.

[@TheDCbiz]

@@calebray1834 maybe like with no way home we'll have to wait for him to pop into the mcu almost 8 years from now like with electro

[@crazyimaginations1244]

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[@SocarellaDeToussaint]

Love your vids!

[@thatoneguychad420]

Does anyone else turn their volume down until the brief intro has finished? The captaaaiiiinnn miiidnight bit? I always do, I don't know why it's got some sort of misophonia with it 🤣🤣

[@mexicandruglord]

The thing that got me about the post credit scene is that Kevin most likely approved it or at the very least was told about it. Kevin said that him and Sony made sure that the post credit scene of Let There Be Carnage and No Way Home work together so that it would make sense.

[@SSJPENGUIN]

Director stated KEvin wasn't involved at all

[@Blitz-dm3kv]

Nope, Feige wasn't told about it. It was all Sony.

[@IcyDiamond]

@@Blitz-dm3kv They’re legit taking a character from *his* cinematic universe because they are too lazy to make their own characters for their own universe

[@879SCSP]

Venom worked, at least for me, because it had a strong center (the bond and interactions between Eddie and Venom) that at least kept the story interesting. Plus, it knew what it was and it never took itself serious to the level that it bogged down the movie. Morbius, however, had no center and wasn't at least fun. If Sony doesn't want to make their films better, they at least need to stick with Venom vibe and make their movies fun.

[@IncredibleFlyinSquid]

"give them something they aren't getting with the MCU" - This is exactly why I was so disappointed when it was announced that Venom went from R to PG-13, because I wanted that R rated non-MCU/Disney experience.

[@emadshoaib7846]

One explanation to fix can be that the vulture which returned was the vulture of some other universe which is a look alike of mcu vulture . When nwh started all different villains started coming into the mcu . But when the spell was fixed , they started going back , so the same happened to this alternate vulture . But when he went back he ended up in morbius' universe instead of his due to reason

[@Zombiesnyder13]

If Sony decides to greenlit SPIDER-MAN 4 or even TASM3 They'll have to get rid of AVI ARAD Or it will be just another failure

[@johnkobebalod9211]

Can you imagine if Sony made The Amazing Spider-Man 3 and it was bad? That would be so messed up. Andrew is finally getting more appreciation after No Way Home and Sony might actually ruin it all over again.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@johnkobebalod9211 as long Arad lives There's no hope

[@matthewtapia1669]

Andrew Garfields spider-man could be a varient of the one in the amazing spider movies and this version of Andrew's spider-man in the venom universe could have a similar orgin like the amazing spider-man movies did but changes could be made. Gwen could be alive in this universe and Peter actually saved Gwen In the clock tower and she becomes spider Gwen or ghost spider. A better version of TASM2 could have taken place in the venomverse.

[@beneifert5899]

A Robert Eggers Kraven move is just brilliant

[@nabongobong9155]

The thing is, Infinity War did a genius move by not adding "Part 1" in the title, making people who dont follow superhero movies that often like myself genuinely surprised at the ending of the movie, when everyone just disappeared and Thanos won, everybody was like "wow, so there will be part 2?" making it part of the twist which is really captivating also refreshing at that time

[@motherplayer]

I was genuinely surprised by the choice to go with a "Part One" for "Across The Spider-Verse". And when I really think about it, that's actually pretty fitting. The vast world of the Spider-Verse is gonna get plenty of time to work with these various characters and leave an impression. I'm actually admiring the ambition to do that so suddenly. And heck, Japanese Spider-Man does deserve a tale that will be fittingly large enough for his giant robot. And hell, maybe it might be for the best that these films may still be second priority to Sony. That way they'll have less studio meddling going about. In a way, I feel that's exactly why Spider-Verse was able to succeed and leave a unique impression beyond "setting up shit for the future."

[@jonathanstubbs8158]

He’s right. Sony releasing Morbius is an absolute insult to audiences. “Dollar Tree MCU” indeed.

[@kindofanmol]

Obsessed with your videos!

[@linkdk59]

Whenever I see "part 1" i always wait until part 2 is out before i watch it. Ive been burnt before.

[@FabulousKilljoy917]

Spider-verse is spectacular, I could watch it everyday, and Venom is fun b/c it’s a man going mad talking to a voice in his head that wants to eat people. But honestly trying to build a Spider-Man universe without Spider-Man is so stupid and Sony just needs to throw the SPUM in the bin. 🗑

[@sterling7]

There comes a point where you aren't "boosting" your spin-offs off of the beloved franchise, but rather watering down the beloved franchise by trying to offload some of its love into the spin-offs.

[@NightmareproductionsOFFICIAL]

Basically make Venom Vs the Amazing Spider-Man. A third film for both franchises with incredible leads and middling films.

[@beezlebob9705]

Great Video!

[@davidcauley9400]

SONY: JUST STOP AVI ARAD: JUST STOP

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Of course it can Morbius is the most movie ever in the cinematic universe

[@Somebody-pq1jq]

It’s more movie than anything in the mcu

[@IScreamedWolf]

It really is so movie when you think about it

[@edselgreaves6503]

A Robert Eggers Kraven The Hunter film is the best idea I've ever heard in my life.

[@shathaan1763]

i really was hyped about morbius, the first teaser i saw was the one where he trasforms and kills a whole swat team with his vampire powers, that looked dope, a real shame honestly

[@joshfriedman7099]

I don’t want any more of these cash-grab MCU knock-offs from Sony. Kraven will flop hard and they’ll probably have to end it with Venom 3.

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

They need to do the same thing WB did with Snyder, and recut/rerelease Morbius it so it actually makes sense. They need to make Kraven and Black Cat etc so much better

[@joshfriedman7099]

They won’t make those movies good and they’ll probably flop

[@icedcapplord710]

I sincerely doubt there is a good movie that can be salvaged out of something like Morbius

[@IcyDiamond]

What streaming service would they put them on though? Netflix or Disney+

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

@@IcyDiamond Disney or Hulu eventually. They could pair well with the Hellstrom series nobody watched.

[@IcyDiamond]

@@CityPlannerPlaysChair Is that Hellstrom series part of the MCU?

[@Volvagia1927]

6:19: "Less than half" is so inexact a phrasing that I have to give you a more exact proportion. Using low estimate on Joker and high estimate on BvS? Joker cost less than 20% what BvS did. Using high estimate on Joker and low estimate on BvS? Joker cost around 30% what BvS did.

[@anthonybaker7134]

We need more people like you

[@solvseus]

Everyone knows... Sony doesn't learn from their mistakes. I'll show myself out.

[@DarkKnightofAnime]

However they approach it from here at this point they need to decide who their Spider-Man is and which universe this takes place in: is it Andrew or Tobey and they need to commit to it

[@Avinator5712]

Or a third spider man?

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

@@Avinator5712 it's not going to be Tom. Marvel Studios would do anything legally available to stop that from happening

[@theangryvoltorb8638]

Tobey wouldn’t make sense in that universe

[@IcyDiamond]

@@theangryvoltorb8638 Yeah he already has his own Venom

[@Eman-co3ik]

Even Andrew doesn’t make sense because what bullshit could they make up to drag him from his own universe to this one, and why wouldn’t he just appear in morbius since him and vulture should have been brought to the universe at the same time? Even vultures appearance doesnt make sense because his home universe is MCU. This shit is a mess

[@PrimeParadiso]

Gotta do this whole vid again for the Fantastic Beasts franchise haha

[@kirani111]

I read the thumbnail ss "Fixing my son's film" and was very intrigued

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge They might be the only ones capable to save it from AVI ARAD

[@jewelyJewels]

Every studio should give over control to our Lord and Miller. The world would instantly become a much better place

[@ShadowSonic2]

Or James Gunn.

[@Gardetrace]

No, it can't. Sony needs to stop with it's stupid practices regarding Spider-Man movies. They have learned no lessons from Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and now they doing even more screw ups on top of that. No one anywhere wants to see a movie with a Spider-Man villain without Spider-Man, and we sure don't want to see some half-assed Sinister Six movie with characters in movies that have no connection to Spider-Man. Sony really doesn't know what the hell they're doing and this ill-advised Spider-Man Universe they made is dead on arrival.

[@AmericaThePridefullySimple]

This is what we deserve for supporting this industry.

[@Silver_Spectre]

I didn’t even realise until 3/4 way through this video that Red A on a train that was on the Morbius poster is the train he glides in front of but did that actually have enough significance to be in the poster? Idk why else it would be there

[@Ineedgames]

Do you ever get the feeling that companies just want their movies to fail?

[@elijahdoesstuff4600]

Honestly, if I were in charge of "Sony's Spider-Man Universe", what I'd have started with is a Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman movie set fully within the MCU. While I still would have made (much better-written) solo films for characters like Venom, Morbius, Kraven, Black Cat, etc., the main focus would be on other Spider-Men and Spider-Women, characters like Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Gwen, Madame Web (the Julia Carpenter version), Scarlet Spider, Silk, and of course Miles Morales. I'd keep the Venom movies out of the MCU though, as I think they work better in the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man universe and I'd rather have Mac Gargan/Scorpion become the MCU's Venom.

[@scubasam4255]

man they need to stay the f away from scarlet spider cause that brings about all the clone saga garbage. i read through all the clone saga and wow just wow it is so bad

[@nonexistantuser1639]

This movie was one of the best april fools day prank ever I actually thought they brought the MCU Vulture into thier universe

[@bishopwhite1822]

The friend with the same powers turned bad was the biggest nail in the lazy coffin to me. Mostly I'm ok with origin stories being slow. Then they normally have an arch, this was more of speed bump.

[@mando1741]

Well, they better just stop making movies. Let Marvel and Fiege handle that.

[@williamsimkulet7832]

Re: Garfield in Venom 3 - This is a great idea. But more than that, I say make him the background character of all of these (ill thought out) spinoff movies; by this I mean if you're going to do a Tombstone movie, do a cool crime thriller and pepper Garfield into the background - as a bystander who slips away moments before Spidey prevents a crime, etc. - then have him come in and rescue Tombstone's daughter after he puts her life at risk for crime stuff. Have Spidey beat up a variety of the film's lesser bad guys, have Tombstone kill the ~Kingpin and take his place, but then have him lament that he's gotten all he wants, but at the cost of his family who have fled. Tombstone doesn't even need to fight Spiderman for this to work; it's his movie, not Amazing Spiderman 3. You do this N times, then you can do a Sinister 6 movie where they fight Spiderman, who might be a main character.

[@lilsquirt6842]

Dude exactly, i cant believe Sony doesn't see the market for a quinteccal part of Spidey that is missing in live action, intense emotional and experimental stories with directors matching that value with their own experimental methods of projecting those beautiful and heartfelt stories

[@ahmetaksu7674]

Sincerely I hope Sony makes a deal with Disney to be able to continue their animated universe while letting Disney have the rest of Spider-Man’s lineup. It’s frustrating to see Sony continually pushing back against Disney.

[@danielmedela8725]

Fixing the Spiderman villain movies? Sorry, but.... there´s not fixing that. There´s just no point in trying to make a movie out of a villain that never had his own history besides being Spiderman villain. Unless you stablish them like the Marvel movies stablished Loki, there´s just nothing there that is compeling, and certainly no comics to use. Because, what comic could you find about Morbius or Kraven without Spiderman as protagonist? Venom did have those. As Thunderbolt, and as Dark Avenger. So cancel Kraven, cancel Madame Webb, you can´t make those good. Not without Spiderman.

[@peterandben]

I agree but why are you not using the E in 'establish'

[@danielmedela8725]

@@peterandben Because I am not an english native speaker, and sometimes I mix up the spanish spellings and english ones...

[@tubercritc]

Now I understand why morbius was released on April 1st So they can get good reviews.

[@almightycinder]

What you described cinemascore doing was very accurate. They gauge how accurate the trailers are. Did the audience get what they expected? The vast majority of movies that have bad scores are grossly misadvertised, some just straight up advertising a different genre or making an arthouse film look mainstream.

[@designtechdk]

Morbius is definitely the movie of all time!

[@UP4NONE]

I think the Morbious movie should have been a horror movie set in an isolated area. Morbious fighting for control while on a cargoship or in an underground bunker would have been cool, meanwhile we also follow his girlfriend trying to figure out a cure. You could set it up so she injects him with a cure for his affliction....and it doesn't work.

[@Antonio_Ortiz]

6:13: BvS budget: $250-300 mil. Box-office: $873 mil. Joker budget: $55-70 mil. Box-office: $1.07 billion + 11 Oscar noms and 2 wins.

[@Tootswilligers]

Ahh Morbius, the poor man's blade.

[@de1998]

So here's a crazy movie idea: Venom - The Last Hunt I can't be the first to think that might work, right?

[@magnusskallagrimsson6707]

For books, I was told publishers are looking for stories they can spin off into a series, that can become a franchise. By the same token, I was told to write my first book as a stand alone that is capable of being spun off into a series - if the demand is there, or the publishers see a possibility. That seems like good advice to the film execs driving film franchise mania. Make a good first film, follow up if there is a demand for what is being offered. Not every story needs a sequel, and a one off isn't any less worthy of being screened than a franchise. In the end - maybe just be a little less greedy, have the courage to take chances, roll the dice.

[@MrTDWfan]

What if the antagonist of the Kraven movie is Garfield's Spiderman? Filmed almost like a horror movie, where Kraven, though a villain, is the protagonist of the story, unstoppable with a clear goal that he desperately tries to achieve. Like Thanos was portrayed in Infinity War

[@andrewlim9345]

Good analysis of the problems facing Sony’s cinematic universe. Hope they pick up some of your suggestions.