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@Nightmare-we8vm
@Nightmare-we8vm 11 ай бұрын
Agent's conclusion was wrong because what we discovered is that most, if not all, teams that win championships are top tier defensive teams in the playoffs. What we also discovered was that there is at least one example of a team winning a ring with a relatively, below average offense through their playoff run.
@curtiszyr
@curtiszyr 11 ай бұрын
Better Offense and defense wins championships
@detroitshinobi4995
@detroitshinobi4995 11 ай бұрын
Even 2k13 and others state this and they play it. No one has never heard defense wins championships??
@SDTheGhost23
@SDTheGhost23 11 ай бұрын
Only like Denver and Cavs won chips with a avg defense. Also cavs were hard to judge cuz LeBron doesn't go hard in regular season.
@birthgravy
@birthgravy 11 ай бұрын
2004 Pistons come to mind
@Gurberbull
@Gurberbull 3 ай бұрын
Yup I’d say offense is more important in regular season and defense is more important in playoffs just like football the games are more tight the gameplans are better to stop players
@minimaldrip8177
@minimaldrip8177 11 ай бұрын
Agent shouldn’t be arguing sports with someone like low 😂 still an entertaining watch though
@camvole8806
@camvole8806 11 ай бұрын
Just basketball bad defense wins superbowls all the time
@hoodiejaybert8581
@hoodiejaybert8581 11 ай бұрын
@@camvole8806you have no clue what you’re talking about
@cuzoronoi7190
@cuzoronoi7190 11 ай бұрын
@@camvole8806nah bro In the NFL u need a good defense to win
@lucyfir2166
@lucyfir2166 11 ай бұрын
​@camvole8806 lmao tf
@camvole8806
@camvole8806 11 ай бұрын
@@hoodiejaybert8581 bad defenses don’t win super bowls all the time?😂 let’s go through it how many chiefs defenses was good before this year? 0 the Super Bowl was literally a shootout for a reason. Patrick mahomes beat the 49ers without a good defense who else. Bengals made it to the Super Bowl with a mid defense. The nfl doesn’t even let you play defense the same so yes bad defenses can win superbowl
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
KEEPING THE OPPONENT FROM SCORING MATTERS!! "Fk it, we'll just outscore them" RARELY happens!!
@ogjames9695
@ogjames9695 11 ай бұрын
Agent just chatting 💀
@hybriddavinci
@hybriddavinci 11 ай бұрын
No one is sayin u can win w ONLY defense lol. Agent knows that. He got smoked
@prod.byhooper
@prod.byhooper 11 ай бұрын
Denver had an average defense and needed the most unstoppable playoff offense to win I think it’s one of those examples where the exception proves the rule
@ryanscott1680
@ryanscott1680 11 ай бұрын
Bucks 2021 had a bottom half offense in the playoffs and the first overall rating on defense. Boom.
@darnarxz
@darnarxz 11 ай бұрын
Boom what? I saw the Lakers lose 1 game in the playoffs with one of the worst defenses in the league.
@davyunwashington3613
@davyunwashington3613 11 ай бұрын
@@darnarxzwhat year cuz if we taking about Kobe and shaq year they was top 5 in defense when the playoffs roll around
@curtiszyr
@curtiszyr 11 ай бұрын
Nuggets warriors Offense >
@nileagia8291
@nileagia8291 11 ай бұрын
​@curtiszyr the warriors are a terrible example. Everytime they won a title they were top 10 in defensive rating
@andrewmays8990
@andrewmays8990 11 ай бұрын
@@davyunwashington3613The Lakers in that era had a habit of coasting especially in 01 and 02 with the drama. I guarantee in the playoffs it’s a different story.
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
LOW is always so thoughtful and smart when he talks hoops
@trillavanilla3425
@trillavanilla3425 11 ай бұрын
facts
@roscoeorginal
@roscoeorginal 11 ай бұрын
He gets a lot of hate
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
@@roscoeorginal him, Don, Rusty Buckets, The Flight Mike, Jimmy Arnett, we have some awesome NBA KZbin content
@Gmacshow
@Gmacshow 11 ай бұрын
He is a basketball reference merchant. I have schooled him many times.😂
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
@@Gmacshow you don't have to be right all the time to be entertaining. But if he is only going off basketball reference (I don't watch him as much as I used to) that's going to give you some bad takes.
@cratwinterz200
@cratwinterz200 11 ай бұрын
So I was curious so I decided to check: Over NBA history, only in 2 decades was the average playoff offensive rank higher than defensive, the 2010s and the 1980s, which are also the only decades where no champion was in the bottom half of either ranking. The best playoff defense has won 31 times and the best offense has won 16. The last time a team won without being in the top half of both stats was in 2021 when the Bucks were the 11th best offense in the playoffs. Before that was the 2006 Heat also being the 11th best offense, and they of course address the Spurs in 03 being the 10th best. The last time a below average defense won was 2000 when the Lakers had the 13th best defense in the playoffs. All in all, Defense alone typically won’t win. But if you had to choose one to be elite, defense is probably the better bet.
@shamsielshahar120
@shamsielshahar120 11 ай бұрын
Not to mention defense is easier to teach than offense.
@Juan_rivera
@Juan_rivera 8 ай бұрын
That's only one outside the top ten for 2 of these, and one still top 15 the top half of the league.
@presidentialkingdom2201
@presidentialkingdom2201 11 ай бұрын
Didn’t Ryan Davis just obliterate KD on this very same topic? There is no debate here
@hooprealm
@hooprealm 11 ай бұрын
Stop listening to Lowe and Ryan Davis for sports opinions 😂
@presidentialkingdom2201
@presidentialkingdom2201 11 ай бұрын
@@hooprealm you’re right I should’ve been listening to hooprealm
@darnarxz
@darnarxz 11 ай бұрын
Ryan Davis was wrong. Look at all the defensive and offensive ratings for all the teams that won chips. Almost all of them have top 10 defenses AND offenses. You'll rarely see a top 10 offense and not a top 10 defense win. It's also rare to see a top 10 defense, and a not top 10 offense win. Both are generally important. Also, Ryan Davis saying that to KD was hilarious because KD has one of those rings where the team didn't have a top 10 defense, but had a top 2 offense.
@presidentialkingdom2201
@presidentialkingdom2201 11 ай бұрын
@@darnarxz Fan: defense wins championships KD:offence wins championships brother Ryan Davis then responds to KD by saying KDs response proves why he hasn’t won outside GSW. The only right answer is both ends are important but KD was discounting defense so Ryan simply emphasized it’s importance. He didn’t say anything about offence, clearly you need to put the ball in the hole. Also the stat you are referring to is for regular season and is clearly not the case for the majority.
@michaelbarnes2126
@michaelbarnes2126 11 ай бұрын
@@darnarxzdude, when KD was in GS they had a top 3 defense. The only time they didn’t and won the chip was in 2022. And even if you have a subpar defense in the regular season you can improve in the postseason on both ends. Look at the Heat last year they were a bottom half offense all year until the postseason came and they became the best shooting team in the postseason. Also we have seen multiple times that a defensive team with a subpar offense can beat an offensive team with a subpar defense. The KD Nets and Celtics are a good example of this
@brando8888888888
@brando8888888888 11 ай бұрын
agent saying Peyton had BAD RBs most of his career is actually insane lol
@KimarKurosaski
@KimarKurosaski 11 ай бұрын
Bro was super chatting
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
3-13 as a rookie (Trash OL) Marshall Faulk - not shit Edgerrin James - not shit
@brando8888888888
@brando8888888888 11 ай бұрын
@@dazgordon-hill2660 Faulk, James, Addai, & Moreno we’re not good RBs when they played with Peyton? Are u serious?
@JRoyal504
@JRoyal504 11 ай бұрын
​@@brando8888888888its sarcasm but even then bell was good too with the broncos too
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
@brando8888888888 "Marshall Faulk - not shit" WHAT DO THINK O I MEAN BY "Not shit"??? I am shit at running back, being an Englishman that never played the sport. Edgerrin James is NOT shit at playing the running back position Apparently FIVE people UNDERSTOOD ME (thanks for the likes, guys), so this issue looking like a you problem. HOLY JESUS CHRIST!!!!!
@kesavenelayapallavan7414
@kesavenelayapallavan7414 11 ай бұрын
If you have a transcendent offense you can get away with subpar defense, but even that is really rare (2016 cavs and the 2023 nuggets).
@tugreat820
@tugreat820 11 ай бұрын
the nuggets were subpar? el oh el
@rex6830
@rex6830 11 ай бұрын
But both of these teams are capable of turning up their defense in the postseason
@picassojulien899
@picassojulien899 11 ай бұрын
Nuggets had the third best defense in the playoffs this year LMAOO
@kesavenelayapallavan7414
@kesavenelayapallavan7414 11 ай бұрын
@@rex6830 that's a moot point ALL championship teams step up offensively and defensively, that's why they win
@OGSauceDaddy
@OGSauceDaddy 11 ай бұрын
2023 Nuggets were the 3rd best defensive team in the playoffs, average in the regular season. Cavs were top 10 in the regular season and 7th in the playoffs. Neither team was "subpar"
@Nightmare-we8vm
@Nightmare-we8vm 11 ай бұрын
I personally believe a great offense will best a great defense because of the nature of the game. Defense, however, is far more consistent because even the best players shooters can miss shots.
@curtiszyr
@curtiszyr 11 ай бұрын
Modern nba better offense wins championships
@HaissamMouard
@HaissamMouard 11 ай бұрын
​@curtiszyr how do you explain the bucks
@SlimShadyCypher
@SlimShadyCypher 11 ай бұрын
@@curtiszyrthat’s simply not true lmaoo, most championship teams even in the modern era are good-great defensive teams
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
​@@curtiszyr No - modern NBA chucks bricks then says "Just wasn't our night"
@curtiszyr
@curtiszyr 11 ай бұрын
@@SlimShadyCypher and their offense? Very convenient to leave out that part they’re also great offensively typing lmaoo doesn’t make you right
@ninoseason2716
@ninoseason2716 11 ай бұрын
If you really want to go to the nfl example look at drew Brees’s career. He put up a top 5 offense almost every year in New Orleans but from a stretch of 2014-2018 he missed the playoffs because he had a league worse defense and even when he was putting up madden numbers it didn’t matter because the defense would give up more defense isn’t always the best thing to win chips but to say it’s not important is crazy saw my goats prime wasted
@shaquille.oatmeal4999
@shaquille.oatmeal4999 11 ай бұрын
U could also say the same with Matt Ryan he had a top 10 defense once during his Falcons years even when he made the superbowl he was up 28-3 sure he choked but the defense completely sold him cuz even if he was choking if the defense just played a little better in the 2nd half they would’ve won
@kyddopeness
@kyddopeness 11 ай бұрын
Peyton Manning had bad half backs *stares in Edgerrin James!
@MartyMcFly__25
@MartyMcFly__25 11 ай бұрын
And Marshall Faulk 🤣🤣. the amount of confidence some people talk is amazing to me
@PTBIC
@PTBIC 11 ай бұрын
Agent must’ve been talking about Arch Manning because Peyton and Eli had all time level Halfbacks most of if not all of their careers
@camwilson2583
@camwilson2583 11 ай бұрын
​@PTBIC montee ball, Joseph Addai, and knowshon Moreno were all time?
@HoodedAlchemy
@HoodedAlchemy 11 ай бұрын
​@camwilson2583 Addai went over 1000 yards his first two years in the league and was one of the biggest reasons they best the Pat's, Peytons record breaking year Knowshon Moreno went over 1000 yards and had 10 touchdowns you talking just to talk
@lukacalov1988
@lukacalov1988 11 ай бұрын
And dominik rhodes
@DLtheGreat
@DLtheGreat 11 ай бұрын
Agent is out of his element. This ain't 2k
@panashe5268
@panashe5268 11 ай бұрын
JxmyHighroller already made a video debunking this narrative that “offense wins championships.” His video proved that most/if not all, championship teams weren’t decent to amazing defensively.
@gaboswrld
@gaboswrld 11 ай бұрын
Only way a bad defensive team could possibly win a championship is if that teams like Steph, luka, dbook, kd, jokic And even that’s iffy
@Kwirkyy
@Kwirkyy 11 ай бұрын
Don’t put Booker there.
@LeefsBurnerFr
@LeefsBurnerFr 11 ай бұрын
@@Kwirkyycrazy slide in 😂
@WoodsOFF2023
@WoodsOFF2023 11 ай бұрын
Jokic isn’t bad at defense it jus isn’t all time
@jxmmykriminallive
@jxmmykriminallive 11 ай бұрын
@@Kwirkyy book is arguably the best offensive sg in the league what’s the issue?
@gaboswrld
@gaboswrld 11 ай бұрын
@@jxmmykriminallive thank you!!!!! They pretending like I’m wild or something 😂 the whole point is offense no defense “Why didn’t you add Paul George or Kawhi !?!” Dawg. The point is no defense .
@josestacks730
@josestacks730 11 ай бұрын
To say Manning didn’t have any Rb’s is wild , Edge averaged 1400 a season easily , give it take 100
@eduardomarquez9210
@eduardomarquez9210 11 ай бұрын
I’m convinced Agent doesn’t watch sports
@albericponcedeleon2696
@albericponcedeleon2696 11 ай бұрын
This debate is pretty silly and relatively easy to find out the answer for. Somebody with NBA reach just has to do it: -Make a histogram of playoff teams by regular season drtg rank. As far back as the official data allows. -If you want to make it more illustrative, make additional histograms for each playoff round until you get to finals winners. If defense is as important as we think it is, we should see a greater percentage of teams at the top ranks the further in the playoffs we go.
@malikjackson6866
@malikjackson6866 11 ай бұрын
This was entertaining but Agent was getting cooked💀 glad Low knows how to play along wit it
@glcsander
@glcsander 11 ай бұрын
My question is does defense improves or the way the games slows down in playoffs impacts teams offense. That Houston team in 2018 might be the number 1 in offense and 6 in defense but against the warriors the offense imploded as they went on to miss 23 3 pointers, do we them give props to Warriors defense?
@fdub301
@fdub301 11 ай бұрын
Agent really don't know what he's talking about most of the time
@markellcain3417
@markellcain3417 11 ай бұрын
I think Agent got his Mannings wrong and then proceeded to get deep fried by LOW 😭
@pp3917
@pp3917 11 ай бұрын
Why agent soo mad 😂😂😂😂
@heycxpid
@heycxpid 11 ай бұрын
Cause bro REALLY didn’t wanna be wrong even though he kinda was 😭
@DLtheGreat
@DLtheGreat 11 ай бұрын
"intellectuals" hate being wrong
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
​@@DLtheGreat Too used to being "smartest man in the room"
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
​@@DLtheGreat Including but not limited to paying people to act dumb so he looks smart
@danielmartin3687
@danielmartin3687 11 ай бұрын
In ⚽️ we say offence wins games defence wins trophies 🏆
@BLee09
@BLee09 11 ай бұрын
It's been that way for all sports. Idk why everybody is trying to make this a debate now lol
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
Look at the Gobert era Jazz. Bad guard play forced Gobert to cover and get blocked shots and DPOY trophies. But in playoffs Gobert can't account for bad teammates as much. So
@glcsander
@glcsander 11 ай бұрын
Hold up you are cooking right now, I wonder how many teams had a top 15 all defensive guy on the roster.
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
@@glcsander showtime Lakers had Michael Cooper and Kareem. Kobe Lakers had Ron Artest. It's a team thing. The Bucks play team defense. If you rely to heavily on one player, you will be exposed. All your great teams had guys who defensive terrors like Hakeem, Rodman, Duncan, Garnett, Tayshaun Prince, Tyson Chandler, Iguodala, Kawhi, Draymond. You need to be able to make the other team sweat.
@BLee09
@BLee09 11 ай бұрын
People shit on Gobert and it's annoying lol. He by himself made the Jazz a top 10-15 defensive team, but when the playoffs came his teammates were literal turnstile doors forcing Gobert to help and the lack of rotation got them KILLED by corner 3s. It was like teams started spamming them with that playstyle every year once they figured it out.
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
@@BLee09 he is a big guy. He isn't built to chase around guards. Plus he is kind of a liability on offense. He's not like Brook Lopez where he can pick and pop. You need shooters around him so he can dive on pick and rolls, clean up the offensive glass for second chance points and work out of the dunkers spot. Him and Towns are a bad combination. He's a drop big like Dikembe Mutombo. He's not the switching versatile defender that a Bam or AD is. So you have to build your team with that in mind.
@BLee09
@BLee09 11 ай бұрын
@@clanwaddell5628 I agree. 💯
@B00MR0ASt3D
@B00MR0ASt3D 11 ай бұрын
Idk why they’re acting like the nuggets stepped up so hard in the playoffs… 3rd in the playoffs out of 8 teams is barely better than being 15th out of 30. It’s actually less impressive cuz there are great defensive teams with trash O that can’t make the playoffs.
@KimarKurosaski
@KimarKurosaski 11 ай бұрын
Agent already bugging cause Peyton literally played with a Hall of Fame Rb his first 7-8 years in the league in Edgerin James
@andrewchester3527
@andrewchester3527 11 ай бұрын
Agent needa stick to just doin 2k news vids, mf don’t know what he talkin bout in the slightest, doin all that actin cause he losin the argument
@RufinoMaldonado
@RufinoMaldonado 11 ай бұрын
Agent trying to act like Kai so bad with the overreactions. Being fake and overdoing every single emotion really pops off these days but it’s cringey af
@patrickschafer2973
@patrickschafer2973 11 ай бұрын
Every NBA Champion had a great defense in the playoffs. Its a different brand of ball in the playoffs. Games are way more scrappy than reg season games. Lol Bro wanted to point out the Rockes in 2018 when they defended their ass off. Capela was only there for rim protection and catching lobs. Tucker, CP3 (at that point) and Ariza were great defenders and even Harden was defending guys in the post well. The Nuggets last season had a great team defense especially when it counted and they needed a stop.
@AreYouFNQRAZII
@AreYouFNQRAZII 11 ай бұрын
1:45 The 2018 Rockets had a top 10 defense because they literally had the best offense EVER at the time. They would ISO consistently, it was like a football team runnin out the clock with Time Of Possession‼️ That’s exactly how the nuggets played last year.
@Dontpayattention88
@Dontpayattention88 11 ай бұрын
Agent is wrong 15 seconds in to the video is crazy
@theking60ful
@theking60ful 11 ай бұрын
Man the fucking raven won with Trent Dilfer
@GloKageTre
@GloKageTre 11 ай бұрын
Agent is proof just cause youre smart doesnt mean you know ball 😂
@kevinlimbombe9256
@kevinlimbombe9256 11 ай бұрын
Agent’s Peyton Manning example is a poor and uninformed one. Edgerrin James was a top 5 running back for almost the entirety of his career, and the Colt’s defences at the time played to the offences strength. Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders were ELITE defensive players.
@eduardomarquez9210
@eduardomarquez9210 11 ай бұрын
He doesn’t watch sports
@oceanairguitarforce
@oceanairguitarforce 11 ай бұрын
Literally edgerrain James and Joseph addai 🤦🏻‍♂️
@erv.7663
@erv.7663 11 ай бұрын
Bro Payton Manning had a HOF Running Nack Named Edgerrin James lmao what is Agent talking about? No team has never won a SB or sustained team success without a decent to great running game.
@eduardomarquez9210
@eduardomarquez9210 11 ай бұрын
Ya I don’t know what he was talking about, I think what he meant to argue was rb on Super Bowl winning teams make a very low amount of money & are usually not top backs besides marshawn, look at the chiefs last year with pacheco etc but I don’t know what he was chatting about 😭
@tavistaite8592
@tavistaite8592 11 ай бұрын
2011 mavs should've been mentioned. They won with a pretty mid defense ngl.
@iitzblitxen3770
@iitzblitxen3770 11 ай бұрын
the Lakers defense was bad during the regular season bc of reasons outside of basketball. context for everything
@pierolam8515
@pierolam8515 11 ай бұрын
Agent is trolling, good defensive teams are what wins championships its not that hard
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
Dude is fucking boring
@LarryFisherman742
@LarryFisherman742 11 ай бұрын
Marshall Faulk has something to say about that
@alsadiq19
@alsadiq19 Ай бұрын
2000 Lakers were 13th in defense in the playoffs, 2011 Mavs were 8th in defense in the playoffs, and a couple championship teams in the 21st century were 7th in defense in the playoffs
@michaelbarnes2126
@michaelbarnes2126 11 ай бұрын
Why are we still haven’t this argument??? The Denver Nuggets who was a top offense last year literally showed you that you gotta PLAY DEFENSE in order to win close out games. And if you gotta play defense to win close out games, you are literally playing defense to win a championship…..
@chosen_mizzy
@chosen_mizzy 11 ай бұрын
I have submitted work to published that goes in depth on this topic. Stats back up the point that defense matters. The most important feature in the model I conducted shows the amount of points the opponent scores is the most important feature in determining if your team is successful or not. If you cannot stop your opponent from scoring efficiently, you will not be successful. So, yes, defense wins games. The reason we say otherwise is because of the medias obsession with offense. When Lebron has a bad shooting night, people question Lebron’s ability as a scorer. No one talks about how effective and successful the defense’s scheme was in the game. Hope this makes sense and helps shed light on an interesting topic
@gorcsauce696
@gorcsauce696 11 ай бұрын
Cavs 2016 defense was not good it was just lebron and jeffferson 😂 but those play off jus pure chaos and ultimate duo
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 11 ай бұрын
That is an absolute lie
@quayshawndameron1349
@quayshawndameron1349 11 ай бұрын
Pistons pure defense Spurs Dynasty top defense Warriors Dynasty top defense Bucks top defense Lakers dubs defense brought in Ron arrest to help Kobe with defensive assignments Bulls Dynasty defense Houston rockets defense Celtics Dynasty top defense
@dylanbarrett508
@dylanbarrett508 11 ай бұрын
The Bill Russell celtics were a bottom half league offence every year except 1 year, 3 of those years were the worst and in several the second worst. But they were a top defence every year and won 11 out of 13 seasons with Bill Russell.
@clanwaddell5628
@clanwaddell5628 11 ай бұрын
There are a few good numbers to say a defense is good How much do they lower an opponents field goal % What is their opponent points per possession and points per 100 possessions What is their opponents true shooting percentage How many uncontested shots do they allow How many turnovers do they force How many points do they allow in the paint I think that if a team is top five in most of those areas, they are elite. You can play slow and allow less points per game, I think points per 100 possessions, points in the paint, opponents field goal and true shooting percentage, turnovers forced per 100 possessions, those are better ways to say a team is elite on defense. A championship team needs two things on defense Make it hard for the other team to score And also force turnovers which lead to easier fast break opportunities. Any great team, showtime Lakers, Bird Celtics, Jordan Bulls, Heatles, Spurs, big Three Celtics, Warriors, Bucks, Nuggets. You need a defense that helps you win games
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
Sane person. Step 1: minimise the amount they score Step 2: beat THAT target Ben Wallace Pistons held many opponents under 85pts - VERY WINNABLE GAMES!!!
@starscreamjesse2121
@starscreamjesse2121 3 ай бұрын
I think it's understood, when people say defense wins championships, they don't mean you don't need a good offense to win. Teams in the playoffs all have the ability to score, that's why they are there. It's the teams that step up defensively against other good offenses that will be the most successful.
@ojsimpson.
@ojsimpson. 11 ай бұрын
How many defensive juggernauts have won championships? It’s probably more than teams with shit defense.
@rileyburks8856
@rileyburks8856 11 ай бұрын
Agent was just yapping
@trayskii_7350
@trayskii_7350 10 ай бұрын
Agent called Edgerrin James (HOF RB…Colts All time leading Rusher) mid 🤣🤣🤣
@griffongaming4474
@griffongaming4474 6 ай бұрын
Even the example with the 03-04 Pistons, they went from 18th best offense to 6th best offense in the playoffs, so even they had a fairly solid leap
@sadp9013
@sadp9013 8 ай бұрын
It look like being the 11 best offence is the worst you can be. Only the 2004 piston are 18 at the time. As for defance the 2001 lakers are 21 in defance that years but most team are below 8
@griffongaming4474
@griffongaming4474 6 ай бұрын
Bro used the 2018 Rockets who literally had the 6th best defense as his example 😭
@colinabney2550
@colinabney2550 11 ай бұрын
Warrior’s are a good examples of slightly above average defense wins championships
@craigjohnston5781
@craigjohnston5781 11 ай бұрын
Agent out here arguing like a flat-earther lol debunks himself, but just keeps trying.
@c.k-da-kxnghere
@c.k-da-kxnghere 11 ай бұрын
2018 Houston defense was atrocious, they just defended the fast break well
@d._minor3303
@d._minor3303 11 ай бұрын
Defense wins games offense just makes it look pretty. Defense can literally score and stop the other team from scoring offense can just score. If you have a great offensive team with ass defense they’ll just be an ass team because how will they win.
@andregardiner3071
@andregardiner3071 11 ай бұрын
I don’t understand how ppl use a regular szn defense rating to judge a championship team’s defense the championship is won in the playoffs what does a regular szn rating have to do with that
@constanttco7509
@constanttco7509 11 ай бұрын
Agent really just be chatting about everything thats why he’s a good content creator a little knowledgeable but casual enough to be relatable. Damn I wish he wasn’t streaming feel like it would’ve been a way better convo he be acting corny sometimes when he stream like he gotta be Kai or sumn.
@Khalil_44
@Khalil_44 11 ай бұрын
That’s cap you always need a somewhat dominant rush game especially back in the 2010s it was a pretty run heavy league
@KevinSmith-nr2xt
@KevinSmith-nr2xt 11 ай бұрын
nuggets offense was unstoppable but in the playoffs teams have time to skeem up defense , study u so nugg vs la jokic drop coverage against ad and bron cause there horrible 3pt shooters so u just need kcp and ag mpj to go under screens to prevent rim pressure . and heat honestly was not threat u can defend all u want but if u cant score not win that battle never heard a fight won by just blocking.
@Ace75271
@Ace75271 7 ай бұрын
Kansas City Chiefs did have the best defense but they had a very explosive offense that compensated for the lack of defensive presence
@bila5319
@bila5319 11 ай бұрын
I mean Denver for most of the year was a rehear to slightly above average. You don’t need to be a good defense. Just make enough stops for your offense to do the rest. End of today it’s about points
@newdoo3936
@newdoo3936 11 ай бұрын
06 heat had a bottom half offense in the playoffs and the best defense in the playoffs and won the championship
@Gmacshow
@Gmacshow 11 ай бұрын
Low is overrated he thinks holiday is a better defender then the glove.😂
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 11 ай бұрын
Can u prove why he’s not?
@Gmacshow
@Gmacshow 11 ай бұрын
@@TheIcemanthomas yes glove dpoy lead a team to the finals being a number 1 option and lead the league in steals 96. Glove top 5 in steals all time. Holiday none. Good enough for you.
@jaynunya5136
@jaynunya5136 11 ай бұрын
defense in Basket ball is about effort, even if both teams are not playing defense, the team that puts in a little of effort on the defensive end will come out victorious.
@dontcallmeblerd3371
@dontcallmeblerd3371 11 ай бұрын
Agent kind of exposed himself with this one. Get him on Whose The Casual.
@emmanuelc316
@emmanuelc316 11 ай бұрын
Taking a shot for every "literally" imma die but it's gonna be lit
@sleevenash_
@sleevenash_ 11 ай бұрын
Wtf the Lebron playoff stats brought up major ptsd for agent 😂
@SuburbanDude.
@SuburbanDude. 7 ай бұрын
Who was around when LOW and Agent had the AYO Podcast?
@ogsellout1897
@ogsellout1897 11 ай бұрын
You guys never played sports 😂 but spend hours arguing
@theripper631
@theripper631 11 ай бұрын
This is why I stopped watching agent, dude acts like a child half the time
@yannikamaya
@yannikamaya 5 ай бұрын
The only NFL team I know to win with no defense is 99 rams
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
How to win in sports: STEP 1: minimise opponent's scoring STEP 2: outscore them NOT "If they score 150, we'll just score 160"!!! NOT "Let them score 5 goals cos we'll score 6" Baseball pitcher IS NOT giving up runs cos "We've got a lot of homerun hitters"!!
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 11 ай бұрын
That’s what the 60s Celtics motto was.
@smike7309
@smike7309 11 ай бұрын
Agent used to get cooked on a weekly basis on Off Top
@chrisptophu
@chrisptophu 11 ай бұрын
19:56 “this might ring y’all bells” is such an Ayo moment😂😂😂
@underratedszn6549
@underratedszn6549 11 ай бұрын
It’s really simple honestly u need both. In the playoffs sometimes players have bad games or have amazing games. If a player on your team is having a bad shooting night towards the end of the game u might need an important stop to stay in the game if u got a bad defense u probably gonna lose that game. In reverse if a player is having an insane shooting night on the other team u gonna need players to score and keep up if not u gonna probably lose that game 🤣
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 11 ай бұрын
Depends on the era. The 60s Celtics won nearly all of their titles literally being the worst offense and best defense in the game. So did teams like the pistons of the 2000s.. there is no team to win with the opposite being beat offense and the worst defense. Serviceable offense is all u truly need when u have great defense. It’s far more consistent to win that way than having top tier offense and bad defense. You atleast need average defense to win titles consistently. U see that clearly in the warriors last year compared to the year before. 2022 great offense and great defense= title. Next year, still great offense, but bad defense, eliminated in the 2nd round.
@kelvinsantos9527
@kelvinsantos9527 6 ай бұрын
“ offense wins games, defense wins championships “
@xitachi_da_goatx9975
@xitachi_da_goatx9975 3 ай бұрын
Agent is a 2k guy. Not a basketball guy.
@brandonsanders4954
@brandonsanders4954 11 ай бұрын
Agent should never talk football again
@itsjayn4538
@itsjayn4538 11 ай бұрын
can you at least link the original video for us?
@JeffreyLee-zd4xm
@JeffreyLee-zd4xm 27 күн бұрын
6127 Wuckert View
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
OMG, WHAT'S HE SHOUTING FOR?????
@frazieroverton5971
@frazieroverton5971 11 ай бұрын
Dawg turned into red shirt treyrags rq
@chillbob38
@chillbob38 11 ай бұрын
Who certified Agent to debate with LOW about basketball😂
@TheIcemanthomas
@TheIcemanthomas 11 ай бұрын
He’s been talking bball with low for years.
@kingstonhughes9380
@kingstonhughes9380 11 ай бұрын
bsloz look like tearitoff greezy
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
THIS IS WHY I DON'T WATCH AGENT
@duel2803
@duel2803 3 ай бұрын
MARCELL CLOSE THE TABS
@dazgordon-hill2660
@dazgordon-hill2660 11 ай бұрын
THEY PLAY DEFENSE WHEN IT MATTERS!! They COULD play defense in the All Star Game. They CHOOSE not to. Game slows down in the Playoffs
@chupapi6724
@chupapi6724 11 ай бұрын
Its like talking to a wall.
@blackout8777
@blackout8777 11 ай бұрын
04 pistons said what?
@noahbean436
@noahbean436 11 ай бұрын
Imo I think that regular season defense really shouldn’t matter in this conversation. If it translates into a better defense in the playoffs, and you’re playing against more talented teams; that should prove you’re a good defensive squad. The cherry picking squads was weird cause you’re looking for outliers. This makes your argument even more invalid.
@drewbaby98
@drewbaby98 11 ай бұрын
Close the app 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@trillionairemarii_3854
@trillionairemarii_3854 11 ай бұрын
Just did a bit of research I only got down to 1995 but the best example to at least support agent would be the 95 rockets, they were the 14th ranked defense in the regular season and the 9th ranked defense in the playoffs. I can see where agent is coming from but I just think your defense can't be below average to win a chip no matter how good your offense is. Which side of the floor matters most is really irrelevant honestly because basketball isn't other sports, they both matter and in basketball the teams the win it all always have a great balance.
@enemy2714
@enemy2714 11 ай бұрын
the 00' - 01" lakers are the only team i could find that had a below average defense and still won a ring albeit ranked 23rd. >it seems to be more like agents argument is the exact opposite since most finals winner have a top 5 defense
@aiiso_
@aiiso_ 11 ай бұрын
Agent ass on blow😂
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