An HFY Story : What do the humans know of space war tactics? | 2483 ~ Deathworld,War and Humans

[@mikkelnpetersen]

"The war to end all wars" "We had that, twice, and then some"

[@Wastelandman7000]

Then we fought four more in space. Mars has a lot more craters than it used too....

[@razer78397]

@@Wastelandman7000 'and we lost Mercury.'

[@markfergerson2145]

@@razer78397 Well, we needed something large to throw at Neptune…

[@razer78397]

@@markfergerson2145 and you don't want to know what happened to Uranus

[@stevewhitten-p8m]

@@razer78397 I heard there was a catastrophic input/output mishap

[@erushi5503]

The Xeno general's shock to the realization that Humans survived world ending wars not once, not twice, not even three times but dozens of was so hilarious

[@Wastelandman7000]

You say it was one war and unity. We call it if at first you don't succeed....

[@goldengryphon]

Twice to figure out we needed rules for war. Then time to work on weaponry to use when we couldn't use the weaponry we'd just said was too much for war.

[@panan7777]

Well, PRACTICE makes perfect.... AND humans ARE practicing ALL THE TIME.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

I did not get that impression

[@Jaegerrants]

​​@@goldengryphon there were some rules before ww1, more came after it and more after 2nd. But problem with rules is you need both parties to agree to and actually follow them. 1941 Finland had signed but not ratified treaty of Hague, Soviet Union done neither. Finland offers to respect the treaty if Soviet Union would too, they refused, so we didn't either. Then ahgain qith hiw many POWs were killed in 1939-1940 by soviets, shouldn't have been a suprise they wouldn't agree to it.

[@RoseKindred]

Space or soil, the playground is all the same... Ready. Shovels.

[@raffia16thblaze10]

*affixes bayonet and makes gasmask noises as she waits for the whistle*

[@snidecommenter7117]

@@raffia16thblaze10 When I was a teenager, I met a man who had been in the trenches of WW1.

[@Wastelandman7000]

We haven't lost so long as we have the straight silver.

[@imperialinquisitor510]

*Happy Krieg noises*

[@Just_Tired]

*muffled by gasmask* FOR THE EMPEROR!

[@wngimageanddesign9546]

I've survived two marriages and ex-wives. Aliens would be a piece of cake!

[@Jakes3130]

LOL!

[@evannpalma2404]

bro is so real💀

[@firefighter_raven]

Why'd you join the Galactic Marines? To get away from my ex-wives of course.

[@Adiscretefirm]

I heard Lucifer was hiring, you've certainly got the resume

[@raylouis7013]

Maybe, although there is a common denominator there....

[@Shadow.Dragon]

Great story; Excellent narration! "War, War never changes." Reminds me of "The Road Not Taken" short story by Harry Turtledove. Its about a galactic empire that decided to invade Earth. Their elite troops marched off their transports, formed lines, and shot their matchlock guns (think muskets). Humans returned fire with machine guns and rockets. LOL!!!

[@Terran.Marine.2]

I read that. The invader's air was going stale by the time they reached Earth. I think their technology had stagnated at the time they learned faster than light space travel.

[@markfergerson2145]

@@Terran.Marine.2They discovered the trick to FTL about the same time they figured out electricity and didn’t bother advancing because everybody they encountered had not even invented gunpowder. Until they got to Earth that is.

[@Terran.Marine.2]

@@Shadow.Dragon They have a never forgeter! We're fekked!

[@Wotan874]

@@markfergerson2145 did they even have electricity at all? I don't remember them using anything electric, they were still using oil lamps and people running around to deliver messages and even used optical-mechanical devices for navigation

[@ironwolfF1]

"Global War?" "Oh, you mean old home week."

[@vladyvhv9579]

Aliens: We have orbitals! Humans: The F-15 says hello.

[@davidragan9233]

Yeah we would smoke Tie Fighters from orbit and they wouldn't even see the fighters the missiles are launched from.

[@Terran.Marine.2]

I played F-15 strike eagle on the very old Atari 800 computer. While the graphics were somewhat better than me drawing with a crayon , the weapons usage appeared somewhat accurate. If anything, it seemed over powered, which may or may not been accurate (supposedly going up against just slightly older end of the Soviet era military technology). It was fun, and it really showed off what the airframe was capable of (maybe?) I don't remember many of the specifics, but I do recall two 55,000 pounds of thrust General Electric turbo jets provided the forward thrust, which was supposed to be more than good enough to break mach 2 in a vertical climb (while fully loaded). It was however, huge. I don't think it was possible to land or take off from an air craft carrier, not even with Jet Assist Take Off (disposable solid fuel boosters). And again, forget landing on a ship, it was just too damn big and heavy. 20 meter wingspan?

[@selador11]

"worried the batteries for their guns wouldn't last"..... You would think that any army that uses battery powered guns, would make sure that each soldier had both a photovoltaic panel, and a hand cranked generator to recharge their batteries in down time...

[@oscarphillips3654]

unless of course what they called batteries was more like fusion power cells or some other high-energy power source that either cannot be recharged using conventional means or simply burn out when depleted.

[@selador11]

@@oscarphillips3654 Very good point!

[@goldengryphon]

@@oscarphillips3654 Even then, have a backup power source for the inevitable loss of power - assuming you plan for equipment to last past the manufacturer's warning label. If you're a soldier and don't know how to jury-rig your gear to get a little more out of it, are you really a soldier?

[@jmurray1110]

Or at least a backup weapon

[@thomasschulz2167]

Not necessarily. If they're fighting using pre or slightly post WWI tactics. Logistics like charging a depleted battery generally isn't a big concern especially when a front line soldier has a life expectancy of minutes if not seconds. You don't want to be sending too much extra resources over the top especially when the enemy can capture those additional resources and turn them on you. So they get limited ammo, limited rations, etc with the idea that if they survive, supplies can be moved forward after the next trench is secure to resupply those still alive.

[@mackenziedrake]

Yeah, time for history lessons once they get out of this. Many thanks.

[@EricTheKei]

"World War *One*...?" "Oops. Spoilers."

[@InternetGravedigger]

That was from an episode of Doctor Who, right? It's been awhile...

[@EricTheKei]

@@InternetGravedigger Indeed! Well spotted :)

[@Arkyn-99]

That moment was equally funny and depressive. The actor did a good job with the facial expressions of that realization. I need to go back and watch Doctor Who again. I went to college at the start of the 13th doctors run so I stopped watching and I’ve never caught up.

[@Kualinar]

Before that one, there was the 1890 Great European War, The War To End All Wars... Or so they though at the time.

[@jmurray1110]

More accurately Capaldis final Christmas special

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

Ah so that explains it Their last big war was before or at WW1 Tech, so no supply chain or good logistics at all. And no portable/moveable ground to space weapons. I really want to see more of this.

[@alganhar1]

You obviously don't know your WWI history very well. Let me put it bluntly, during WWI, on the Western Front alone, a total of 1.5 BILLION Artillery rounds were fired. 1.5 Billion. If the WWI Supply and Logistics chain were as crappy as you so fatuously suggest then pray tell me how in the name of all the Gods did they get more than 1.5 Billion rounds (because not all were fired) to the Front lines? Also tell me how the British, French and Germans, were able to keep millions of troops supplied during the war? And then Britain, who not only kept its initial force supplied, but raised its army numbers from a few hundred thousand to over four million, yet STILL managed to keep those men supplied, equipped and fed? The Logistics of WWI were actually VERY VERY good. The Western Front was fought in land with the densest rail network in the world at that time. Germany and France had literally designed their entire National Rail infrastructure around a war with each other. During WWI Britain not only had access to the largest Navy the world had ever seen at that point, but also owned some 70% of ALL merchant shipping world wide. I suggest you go and learn more about the Logistics of WWI before suggesting it was inadequate. Otherwise someone like me will come along and crap all over your misinformed opinion. I suggest starting with Janet Macdonalds Supplying the British Army in the First World War which you can find cheap on Amazon for Kindle at the moment. It will give you SOME idea of how complex, evolved and complete Logistics in WWI were. Just as the roots of modern Combined Arms Warfare lies in the mud and the blood of the Western Front, so does the root of modern military logistics.

[@wngimageanddesign9546]

As long as you can spit into the eyes of your enemy, you've morally won.

[@MrDj232]

Or at least the doctors who declared you dead.

[@brucenorman8904]

Victory or death either is fine, there is room in this grave for you

[@GenStallion]

I just love the realization. Sometimes, it just brings out my Palpatine laugh.

[@ArronRatliff]

Silly aliens We are humanity. War has been in our blood and bones since our first ancestors decided that the Uggs across the valley had a nicer cave and went to take it.

[@vladyvhv9579]

And quickly realized that the reason the Uggs had the cave was cause they had bigger and better rocks and knew how to use them.

[@Katzztar]

I'm convinced that the first ancestors to wage war was before humans were human. I mean, look at one of our close cousins, the chimpanzees. They form war parties to take territories. Meanwhile the other close cousins, the bonobo were the opposite and took the route of "make love, not war". And humans took the middle road between them. No wonder aliens get confused when a human comes up says "Fight or F---k"

[@davidragan9233]

Reminds me of the HFY story "Drums of War" [I think] turns out the drums of war continually beat in our chests.

[@kiltedbroshar4187]

Yes. Luv that one​@@davidragan9233

[@syvajarvi2289]

We also learned from the tactics of Alexander the Great, Gingis Kahn, the Roman Empire, and the barbarian hordes…. Not counting the odd number of crusades. So WW1 and 2 were just one of a dozen world wide wars but definitely the most modern. General Thomas should also explain the exercises we do like RIMPAC with US Navy, Australia, Japan, and the Philippines. “Just because we are paranoid, doesn’t mean they are not out to get us, General. So put your big boy britches on and we will come with some sh*t Geneva hasn’t put on their list yet.”

[@Darqshadow]

Does the Conventions even count against xenos?

[@syvajarvi2289]

@@Darqshadow technically no. They have to ratify the conventions for them to apply. Just like technically the US ambassador signed the conventions but congress did not ratify them so the US sees them as a guideline. We follow most but not all of the conventions. Also to quote one of my favorite KZbinrs, “it’s not a war crime the first time.”

[@MidnightSmoke]

Here is a like and comment for the story, for entertaining me, to help your channel grow, to appease the great and powerful KZbin algorithm demon, and get you the recognition you deserve.

[@Jakes3130]

Looking pretty spiffy there, in your new uniform, Admiral Agro!

[@maelglorious]

Orbitals don't mean a damn thing when you realize a mere shovel is one of the deadliest weapons ever.

[@snidecommenter7117]

As long as you can dig deep enough.

[@syvajarvi2289]

@@snidecommenter7117combat shovels are a thing😂

[@imperialinquisitor510]

*Happy Krieg gasmask noises*

[@Darqshadow]

​@@imperialinquisitor510beat me to it XD

[@erikbergqvist83]

Thanks!

[@AgroSquerril]

My absolute pleasure , thank you for the dono it is very much appreciated

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

Watching this for a second time, still a great read of a great story TY for the story and the read.

[@yomogami4561]

whoa as a light dawns on the humans great story and i'd like to hear this fight resolved thanks for the narration sir squirrel

[@quinnbell2388]

Great War? Yeah, and then we had a Greater War. And then we threatened an Even Greater War. And then we had a few dozen okay wars. And then we got to space. And now we are fighting some actually pretty shit wars.

[@robertstoneking7916]

The Great War, back before we thought we'd have to start numbering the damn things.

[@nobodyimportant2470]

@@robertstoneking7916 "The War to End All Wars" sure failed to work as advertised.

[@brentmartin6833]

I don't think they had passed the true in advertising laws yet. But WWII really knocked the stuffing out of European taste for war (in their front yard at least) for not quite 50 years. (Yugoslavia break up... should have sent better divorce lawyers).

[@WingManFang1]

Looking back on history with the lense of hindsight….we are insanely efficient…

[@mattpotter119]

"We're doomed" - Private Frasier in space.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

Meanwhile in a rail gun battery that scored a hit on a ship in orbit, a certain Gunner Jones exclaims "They don't like it up 'em'" 😉

[@razer78397]

"Oh shi-" - Unknown Red Shirt

[@jeanannd]

Never give up!

[@goldengryphon]

Never surrender!

[@lurkerone7389]

Thank you

[@Inforiel]

A comment since the voice in my head demanded thus - May the many whispers of the Squirrel reign eternal

[@tellyfanatic]

Very good I enjoyed the story immensely and the narration was second to none.

[@thatotherguy8138]

"Civilizations either destroy themselves or wake to wisdom BEFORE they destroy themselves and never do that!" "Yeah, we thought that too." "THOUGHT?" "Between our Second and Third World Wars, after we developed Atomic weapons, we thought "Either we're going to stop all war, or we're going to destroy ourselves." "But..." "Yup." "But..." "Yup. "You're... you... THIRD?" "That proved that there's a third option." "Was that your... last... world war?" "Historians are fractured on that. See, after the Third World War, we finally made ourselves some Space Colonies, so the next war wasn't technically a WORLD war, more like... WORLD-S. Plural." "Four? FOUR??" "Eleven. Or Twenty six. Depends on how you define "World War" now."

[@kennethfarrand-collins6405]

Ok, good start, time to set about making a part 2 for this story. Good read as always sir, stay well and happy; thanks from Down Under.

[@jasperzanovich2504]

I was expecting the human general do yell "Nuts!" as a response.

[@Jakes3130]

Excellent story great narration

[@woolph58]

Excellent story!

[@robertstoneking7916]

The aliens apparently don't have rules of war or limited engagements so when they get world killer weapons they either stop fighting amongst themselves or kill themselves off.

[@goldengryphon]

Silly aliens! War is just trial-by-fire for new tech.

[@kurtismiller9544]

First for DA SKWERL and his Nest

[@MakerGrigio]

Oh, just noticed you cleared the 100k subscriber mark. Congratulations.

[@ombrepourpre7562]

This one as make me laugh so hard 😂 Thanks you ! And for the algorithm 👍

[@allanfitz3535]

Not cleaning their weapons has triggered me.

[@goldengryphon]

Same. What kind of grunt doesn't clean their weapon and why did the general just walk past. That hurts and makes my spine itch.

[@merlinathrawes746]

Sheesh, for being a part of a so-called professional military, these aliens don't have much of a fighting spirit. It would have been nice if humanity had come together after WWI, but things actually only got worse and our weapons only got nastier. Survive all that and then get into space? No, we won't forget those lessons.

[@TheShadyProtector]

Game over, man. Game over! You see that nine year old girl who didn't quit? She is your squad leader now!

[@kirkbarber4040]

Nice one

[@deathbedquestion]

Inspiring!

[@randomstranger9674]

Chapter two needed immediately, if not sooner.

[@firefighter_raven]

Technically it is chapter 2. It's an addition to a story I posted

[@TheJMPD]

​@firefighter_raven Then chapter 3 is needed! And thank you for sharing your talents!🫶

[@firefighter_raven]

@@TheJMPD - I didn't write this one but I'll pass it along

[@cybercifrado]

Waiting for the general's spit-take... "They irradiated their own atmosphere?!" (yes, that's Quark from DS9, "Little Green Men"). :D

[@mfree80286]

"Yeah, but just a little."

[@jgkitarel]

Humanity: "Meh, the radioactive isotopes, uranium and plutonium dust, and so on give it character and flavor."

[@xunheilvsnipezx3324]

Howdy howdy from Tucson

[@9LiveEmpire]

Human: thé gunpowder child

[@Tiewaz]

Yeah, humans are tenacious like that. We keep trying to obliterate ourselves, but enough stick around to rhyme history. (It never repeats, just rhymes.) And we make better tools to do it with.

[@SiegeTF]

Sounds like we should restart the Commisar comission!

[@danielmouatt5570]

Have to admit…. I miss the Nanite swarm. So many problems taken care of by simply referring to them as my “other sock” 😂

[@grogvaughan5649]

For The Algorithm, This Is The Way

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

yep , while the idea of planets destroying whole fleets with ground to orbit weapons might be a bit silly in a equal footing tech scenario buuuuuut , just like soldiers and warriors of ANY era hints in the fragments of their experiences ...just because its crude and of limited effect a ditch and tree pole barrier still tilts the situation slightly in your advantage when on the defence , so any planet with a large enough population to be self sustained or industry providing for such be it locally or not ..likely have something like anti orbit railgun assets , if for no other reason then to force a foe to reveal if they are seeking a war of annihilation or conquest

[@charlesashton6273]

Good choicw.

[@clintwarlick9241]

@General Naram-Sin. Humanity has not had more than three years when we have NOT been in a major conflict. We decided that nuking each other out of existence wasn't worth it, but war was just the cost of doing business when the other side is too pig headed.

[@bigjay875]

Excellent work narrator. Thanks for the great story

[@mikethurman3147]

Portugal sounds great.

[@ravenouself4181]

"What do humans know of space tactics?" Next to nothing, but we do know how to ake things go boom

[@goldengryphon]

We learn quickly. Please, demonstrate some more.

[@bf-696]

Meanders a little, but an OK story. Nicely narrated, as per usual.

[@shaunford8529]

we dont know how to give up

[@RobBreckenridge]

Forgetting the fact that this is fiction in the story. There is a hidden truth here, if you are an alien race who has not taken the time to look at your history of war...... would you not be shocked at the realization of what the general learned at the end. Granted humans maybe be primitive by the more advanced species but that is what makes a human even more deadly and evil when the chips are down and its the last hand on the game 😊😊

[@KuDastardly]

Dude, that 'sticks 'n stones' was a quote from Einstein IIRC.

[@Cadiangrunt99]

I think this general is going to become a badass when trained by the humans 8D

[@allenmorgan1007]

For the Algorithm, for the Author(s), for the Holographic Voice!

[@CaptainShield]

The human gods of war never died.. they retired when humans took their jobs.

[@13thBear]

There ya go-very good story! That's more like the stories you're good at, not those bullshite nonsense mutterings you've been passing out the last week or so. Good. Solid. Meaningful. Stories.

[@johnsanford3596]

Commenting on the title question during the intro: FAFO!!

[@CALCIUMDOMINATOR]

"global war?" "nah its just the family get together"

[@Maverrick2140]

you really need to get yourself a captains hat :P

[@RealArcalian]

Greetings, Mentlegent! For the Rhyhtm that is Algo Yeah, we might know a thing or two about how to fight in the long term

[@goldengryphon]

Persistence hunters do be persisting.

[@oldbutnotdead1]

Yep, that's us all right. Have a world wide war and don't learn a damn thing...except how to fight the next one better.

[@jacobsilva6334]

Your reading style. Voice. And just style always has a choke hold on my attention

[@Blutwind]

"The Final war? Oh you mean world wars? Ywah first one was realy muddy" "What do you mean first?" "Well we basically started a second one right after.. it was realy messy.. and after that we couldn't decide if we start the next one or not for about 50 years so we had a few on the side but smaler and confined to mostly one country or region...the second great emu war was particualy brutal and nearly lost again" *alien screams of terror"

[@MrBishop077]

👍

[@ocnier]

I miss the old uniform

[@robertstoneking7916]

It's better suited to the more civilian centered stories. Maybe he should have a few I'm sure there are a few fans with the skills close enough for reasonable shipping costs.

[@Myrddraalfade]

Ah the mellifluous tone only last a few minutes.

[@saunshilu]

this must be how casuals look at max difficulty newgame+ players

[@gmradio2436]

I am trying to understand the alien supply lines, and I cannot think of a good comparison. It seems to be an expedition force, but supply is horrible. Maybe an early industrial European army of a small nation. Dependent on the existing rail network. That doesn't match the armor they brought to the conflict. It seems to be a skirmish force primarily, but is supposed to be slow. Light armor mechs, slow maneuver, crap supply lines, and limited battlefield endurance. Worst, low morale. Maybe "wars" between cities from European history, or riots. The War of the Bucket. No surprise that Terrans are out performing them. More than a few police forces are better prepared.

[@goldengryphon]

We practiced a lot at home before taking our tricks on the road. There have been mistakes like this in our history, too. When all the generals studied the same book and you had blocks of troops all doing more or less the same thing, the battle went to the guy who was a little bit better, or whose troops believed a little bit more. When technology upgraded, we didn't abandon the "old ways", we added them. So a soldier learns to use a fancy raygun, but also one with bullets, and a knife. Same with modern war - just because we have drones doesn't mean we don't also use simpler methods.

[@gmradio2436]

@@goldengryphon I think I confused you with my rambling. I was unable to find an accurate comparison to any earth military. The story described it as Napoleon, but even that force was vastly superior in logistics and moral. I settled on citizen armies of the middle ages. Specifically the ones like the War of the Bucket. Little better than a riot that invaded another city. If you could think of a better comparison, please let me know.

[@goldengryphon]

@@gmradio2436 I don't see a need to pin things down to a specific battle. I'm confused as to why you want to. Yes, humans have managed to make war, more or less well, for eons. We're pretty good at breaking things that other people own and killing others. Sometimes we're more organized about it than others. I was thinking back to the Hundred Years War with my reply. The idea of all the different generals having read the same book, and going about warring the same exact way, has always been a sign of humans being ultimate humans to me - imagine those large blocks of infantry marching around and crashing into each other. That we, as a warring species, managed to force ourselves into formation when it goes against almost every instinct is, to me, the ultimate sign of our species' insanity. That's not to say I don't appreciate war skills and how far we have come from the early rock throwing days - rocks are very effective weapons, after all. I'm from a military family and grew up being taken to military museums and hearing the stories of naval battles. Maybe one of those would better illustrate what you're looking for? It's hard to keep supply lines going while you're out at sea, the ships usually are the supply lines. There are quite a few wars where attacking the enemy's ships and breaking that line did win the war.

[@gmradio2436]

@@goldengryphon I keep coming back to the War of the Bucket because it is one of the most incompetent "wars" in human history. You are bringing your own argument into this with reading from the same book. A point I never raised. Why? I am very aware of military navel history. This story is worse than Roman navel history. Maybe the Peasent Crusade crossing into the middle east could compare to the logistics, but even that comparison breaks down. The Peasant Crusade did not have armored units.

[@Kualinar]

Great wars... We had the 1890 great war to end all wars, then the 14-18 war, called World War 1, then, WWII, then the Cold War, then... And before that, hundreds, even thousands, in the 16th to 19th centuries.

[@blarg987665]

Me a Human: Guys I Figured it out we were supposed to stop at world war 1 All of Humanity: Ohhh....thats what we were supposed to do.

[@johnnyrotten3175]

4 D 🐿️ ❗ ❗ 4 D author ❗ 4 D algorithm

[@B1RD0FGOD]

@Argo please get a pair of Jon Lennon style reading glasses, i think they'd be sick with the rest of your style

[@SpectroliteDS]

Everything, as it turns out. They wrote the second edition.

[@anathardayaldar]

What, doesn't their Xeno military academy have their version of the Kobayashi Maru scenario?

[@bewarethegreyghost]

What it's worth, it's pronounced "câs-vâck" (the a as in cat) it's a contraction of "casualty evacuation"

[@chrisdufresne9359]

Humans are stubborn critters. Never tell us that defeat is inevitable. We might just do something outside of the box. Hold up, they stopped advancing tactically at their equivalent of WW1?

[@macmcleod1188]

Just look at Ukraine. It's been a long 3 days.

[@goldengryphon]

It explains a lot.

[@Dreju78]

CASEVAC is cas evac not case vac CASualty EVACuation

[@straydog2758]

6th ? who hasn't liked?

[@johnsanford3596]

Title is very misleading. Good story, ends just a bit too soon though.

[@gregorypryor7401]

Subscribe, I might stop liking your videos. The algorithm takes likes as a hint to make AI generated stories. 😱

[@merlinwizard1000]

5th, 10 August 2024

[@lance2005]

The 30 years war could be said to be WW0. It involved all of Europe and millions dying. The war lasted 30 years and was the heart of the holy Roman Empire. When it was destroyed Germany was built in its place 😂😂😂.

[@earmunchermuncher7639]

Fta

[@t.p.3456]

For the algorithm 👽👾🤖🌌🛰🚀🛸🌠

[@Lefteyeofgia]

Fta