True Power of The Demi-Gods

[@Dev_Six]

I believe the old proverb applies to Mohg: A child not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.

[@OMGxITZxPACMAN]

Unless that child is Naruto Uzumaki. Believe it!

[@mothh7600]

In this case the child bled the village to feel the warmth of its blood

[@fartsneed9464]

The new proverb. The proverb from the movie Dark Knight.

[@Dev_Six]

@@fartsneed9464 I didn't know, though I'd presume it'd have some other origin, because they usually do.

[@firstnamelastname80046]

@@fartsneed9464 umm pretty sure that proverb is from Africa and that its pretty old

[@deflavigny]

Morgott truly inherited his father's (Godfrey) righteousness and sense of responsibility/honor. Had he not been born with the Omen curse, he would have been a powerful pillar holding together the Golden Lineage and an excellent ruler.

[@j.vinton4039]

One could say that it’s only the Golden Order that viewed Omen kind as cursed. I believe Morgott is actually blessed due to his ability to channel light weapons and use holy magic. It truly should be Morgott the Golden King.

[@bazah23]

Do u realise that an omen is stronger than normal people so we can assume that the omen twins are stronger than the other demi gods physically in top of being the sons of Godfrey the physically strongest person in the lands between

[@crackededge9351]

@@bazah23 Not necessarily. Radahn, Melenia, and Ryukard are all stronger than Morgott. Mogh is the variable in this discussion because he is just as powerful as Radahn or Melenia is before she became goddess of rot.

[@crackededge9351]

@@bazah23 Radahn especially dominates in physical strength, his sword have some of the highest strength requirements in the entire game. Paired with gravity magic, Radahn has a devastating combo of power.

[@bazah23]

@@crackededge9351 yeah I radhan is so impressive he one of my top three demi gods maybe even the first Also he’s a giant and he controls gravity so it possible that these sword are light to him But my point still works the three sons of Godfrey and the god marika are pillars of strength in land between in my opinion And radhan is a prodigy for someone born from the Queen of the full moon and the god radagon

[@akaErma]

Elemer of the Briar is not a member of House Marais. He was condemned to execution at the hands of House Marais, and he stole the Marais family executioner's sword and freed himself at his own execution, taking over the Shaded Castle. There is a ghost in the castle who bemoans this fact.

[@tinminator8905]

@@whoisj Same. Lul

[@phillipmitchell2254]

Yeah Maleigh Marais is a miniboss you fight outside the castle.

[@TheMrrccava]

Appreciate you pointing this out so succinctly, I had an issue with that as well, then read your comment. Still interesting in general.

[@piketheknight2581]

basically elemer is a badass

[@MirruArcade]

Yeah man you’ll come to find that this channel posts theories based on shit that’s either been disproven with in-game lore but this dude doesn’t look hard enough or just likes making up shit as he goes

[@valentinvas6454]

Fun fact about Ranni: She is so powerful she doesn't even have a death animation. Even if you reduce her health to 0 with hacking the only thing that happens is her glow fades away a bit. Even the two fingers can be killed by hacking but not her.

[@andod881]

Also shes the only enemy in the game that oneshots your healthbar instantly, when you betray her and refuse to leave her tower.

[@nickytheanimal2413]

She is a puppet

[@tankbeast8480]

She could have done her own quest by that point most likely it was just over looked tbh you are high balling nice theory though

[@Inviabledude45]

​@@tankbeast8480considering she litterally kills the entiety that sent her assassin, there's litteraly no reason she couldn't have powerscaling wise. Her ending is your character litterally bowing to her and agreeing to be her number 2 for eternity. Now that doesn't mean you are weaker but its heavily implied considering the elden beast can't one shot you.

[@itsawoodchuck4330]

That’s not intended though, just because something doesn’t have a death animation that is not intended to be killed doesn’t mean it can’t be killed in lore. Ranni was too weak to defeat Blaidd’s impersonator by the Lake of Rot, the Two Fingers assassin, so she’s not that powerful. She’s no doubt a great sorceress but her true strength lies in conspiracy and manipulation, not battle.

[@draghettis6524]

As far as we know, for an Elden Lord-like figure, 3 elements must be present : - An Outer God. The Greater Will in the case of Placidusax, Godfrey, Radagon and most of the game's endings. - A god, who is the vessel for the Elden Ring. The Dragon God, who fled, and Marika are examples of this, and Empyreans are said to be candidates for that position. - The Elden Lord, the consort of the Ring's vessel god. Placidusax, Gofrey, Radagon and some Tarnished players fill that position. Mohg wants the Formless Mother to be the Outer God ruling the Lands Between, with himself as the Lord of her Order. But he needs a vessel god. Problem, his mother is already serving the Greater Will, Ranni already has ditched her Empyrean flesh, and Malenia is linked to another Outer God. So that only leaves Miquella as an available Empyrean.

[@declicitous1763]

Another reason why Mohg likely isn’t a pedophile and just wants Miquella to satisfy his own goals

[@elleofmusic]

Agreed. But I think Mohg's fatal error was not realizing that Miquella, despite his desire to live outside the influence of Outer Gods, did in fact have a "patron deity" so to speak, in St Trina. Understandably, considering the descriptions for both are pretty identical, right down to their namesake flowers. It's easy enough to assume that St Trina is merely an alias of Miquella's, and to an extent that might even be true. It could be that St Trina is not actually an Outer God, but a more terrestrial one like Eiglay or the Ancestor Spirits, so Miquella was willing to work with her to grow the Haligtree (if you closely examine St Trina's torch, which says it "unnervingly" depicts an adult St Trina, the carving is of an androgynous beauty with billowing hair and a third eye on the forehead. We see no such eye on the figure in the Haligtree roots, but the billowing hair resembles St Trina's image more than the sleek braids we glimpse on Miquella) and St Trina's power of revealing someone's deepest secrets through their dreams was no doubt essential for Miquella's plans to have gone as far as they did. But the main clue for St Trina's claim on Miquella being the reason why Mohg had no luck in linking Miquella and the Formless Mother is the fact that Miquella's slumber has simply been too deep and impenetrable.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

That leaves one question, who were the shadows of Malenia and Miquella, Marika has Maliketh and Ranni has Blaidd.

[@draghettis6524]

@@blizzardgaming7070 Probably dead or otherwise not serving as Shadows anymore. Miquella would probably reject his, and Malenia's Scarlet Rot would easily make her shadow die

[@thegk-verse4216]

Why so you keep bringing up placidusax ? I know that there is a description saying somehwere that he was the first elden lord, but an error in translation is most likely. It doesn't make sense considering he was fought by marika's forces and he had his own outer god he waited for, reason of the attack in the first place

[@something8886]

Fun fact about Ranni, she defeated Adula the glintstone dragon in combat which lead to Adula swearing loyalty to Ranni and being given their famous spell "Adula's Moonblade" this information is also found in the spells description!

[@pratiksengupta5336]

Ranni is a beast herself. She is a fckn empyrean, she defeats dragons and makes them her biaatch, she stole a fragment of the rune of death and is one of the key players in the night of the black knives, destroyed her body to get freedom, killed her two fingers, and finally became a fckn god.

[@JoanofArc-yk8dc]

@@pratiksengupta5336 Don't forget about war crimes

[@mattagon6407]

I believe Melania was at her all time strongest when we battle her, at least in the second phase. She transcends to the goddess of the rot and becomes albeit temporarily the embodiment of a outer god. Her first phase perhaps she was weakened but her second stage she was stronger than in her fight vs Radahn.

[@bohemonddhauteville9001]

Agreed, with her second phase being reflective of the phenomenon detailed within the description for Scarlet Aeonia: "Each time the scarlet flower blooms, Malenia's rot advances. It has bloomed twice already. With the third bloom, she will become a true goddess."

[@tz5116]

Yup, she defeated Radahn in her 'normal' stage, I think thats a good argument for your idea.

[@libertyprime6932]

@@tz5116 Malenia invaded Caelid and was dragged unconscious from the field after having her arm sliced off and being impaled, meanwhile Radahn still rages on the battlefield. Malenia clearly lost and it wasn't even particularly close. Then she wakes up only to die to a single tarnished, meanwhile a festival of the greatest warriors in the Lands Between brought down Radahn. Chadahn >>> smelly rot lady lol

[@tz5116]

@@libertyprime6932 Well, both didn't do well after that fight. But you have a point there.

[@larrydewesse655]

@@libertyprime6932 but by the time you fight Melania unless you're purposefully staying low level your at least 60+ levels higher than radahn and radahn isn't the warrior he was there is more than one way to win a battle remember the Alamo Texas lost that battle but because of bad strategy mexico lost that war Technically Melania fought that battle to a stalemate but her rot curse not only left radahn a husk but infected the entire region changing it forever

[@raximusrex3464]

Very cool to think that Morgott defied the golden order to serve the golden order by going under an alias and breaking out of the sewers

[@Litigation342]

He's built different that's why

[@facundovera3227]

Morgott pinned a Radahn to the ground.

[@revthescatman137]

@@facundovera3227 “a”?

[@Skully_14]

One must certainly hope that *when* Miquella awakens, he will be an ally. Otherwise, I fear the Lands Between will certainly face a threat grander than anything else.

[@khandimahn9687]

If Miquella awakens. What little we see of him, he doesn't look particularly healthy. When Mohg took the cocoon, we have no idea what effect that had. Being placed in that temple, surrounded by blood, surely corrupted him in some way. It's very possible Mohg may have 'given' blood to the cocoon in some manner. I'm certain that if Miquella somehow survived, whatever emerges will not be what he had intended to become.

[@Drawnartist]

You basically just confirmed that he will in fact make an amazing next big threat

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

@@khandimahn9687 it doesn't help that we slaughtered his whole family (we know he loved Malenia at least) while he was kidnapped and being corrupted.

[@OrigamiPhoenix]

@@khandimahn9687 Orphan of Kos...2!

[@lilricebowl9731]

I think we’ll get a dlc where we go back in time and fight demigods at their full health (like Radahn) or in a different form (Rykard before becoming a serpent) and possibly fight Miquella

[@TheTakenKing999]

Pretty sure Malenia and Rykard were at their strongest when we fight them. Rykard was preparing for years to take out Malekith while Malenia blooms the third time when we fight her and ascends to Godhood in her second phase. I think the weak argument can only be made about Radahn and Mohg I guess. Rykard was dishonorable and gluttonous but definitely more powerful.

[@hecc7906]

She doesn't become a God, proof being that we don't need the rune of death and it doesn't say GOD SLAIN

[@onnijoutselainen7465]

*maliketh

[@mohammadsaleem5990]

@@hecc7906 her name literally says goddess of rot. The god slain probably doesn't appear because she isn't a true God in the sense Marika is with her connection to an outer god.

[@hecc7906]

@@mohammadsaleem5990 Ok? we still don't need the rune of death, you forget about that part? You just conveniently disregard that?

[@Soogooroo]

Didn't she only bloom twice?

[@absoluteandrew398]

What is interesting to me, lore wise, is there’s a reason for all the demigods and other main game bosses to be exactly where they are in the game when you find them. Margit is trying to prevent tarnished from gaining power, Godrick is being weird, grafting stuff in Stormveil, Godfrey’s old castle, Renalla is obsessed with her “children” and rebirthing them, Rykkard is completely insane with greed and eating stuff so he’s kinda stuck where he’s at, ironically underneath his Manor, Radahn’s mind is mostly gone from the Scarlet Rot, so he’s still on the battlefield he lost his sanity at, Morgott is Margit so again he’s at the foot of the Erdtree trying to off you before you can figure something out about getting inside the Erdtree, the Fire Giant is cursed by Marika to guard the flame, since the flame can’t be destroyed. Maliketh is guarding the Rune of Death, and Sir Gideon appears for you to warm up on him before you fight the *real* bosses after him (lmao) but no Sir Gideon figured something out about Marika, that she wants us to “continue to struggle”, Godfrey returns “to be granted audience once more”, he’s also Marika’s husband so yeah probably doesn’t want you offing his wife, and of course Marika/Radagon are by the end of the game literally an empty shell for the Elden Beast to act through. Until we kill them and then we fight the Elden Beast, an Envoy of the Greater will. INB4 this game turns into Bloodborne 2 and we have to hunt the outer gods 😈

[@robertpronk6297]

On one note. I’m sure that Godfrey just returned from the badlands and tries reclaiming his position as elden lord. But finds his grace (he is tarnished) to lead to you. Knowing that he now has to defeat you to fulfill his task

[@aughaughinson8600]

True though, imagine the DLC has us fight like..the Formless Mother for example lol. But it's probably just gonna be time travel shenanigans.

[@mastersk8er997]

18:11 aged well

[@phillipmitchell2254]

I don't believe Ranni's 2 fingers fell to the Lands Between in the wake of the starfall after Radahn's death. What I think, was that the Fingerslayer Blade must be wielded by someone with a fate, and that wasn't possible until the stars resumed their movements since the Carian royal family's fates are governed by the movements of the stars.

[@user-ns4zm8qe9p]

That is correct, as definitely as we could possibly say of course

[@ericsanino7341]

wrong. the finerslayer blade was hidden in the eternal city. We cant access the eternal city until he starts are released and the meteor can hit the ground. Rannis fate

[@phillipmitchell2254]

@@ericsanino7341 That doesn't imply that Ranni's 2 fingers fell from the sky

[@pratiksengupta5336]

@@ericsanino7341 Listen we cannot use the fingerslayer blade to kill the fingers and only Ranni can. That thing is conceptual.

[@user-mw5zz8xz1w]

​​@@pratiksengupta5336 l don't think we cannot use, l think we don't have to use tha sword, because she is specially for kill the 2 fingers, we literaly kill the concept of ORDER in the endgame.

[@TenpennyTower]

Morgott and Radahn are hands down my two favorites Morgott's honor and loyalty to the order is to be admired as is Radahn's loyalty to his horse

[@markdunham9634]

That horse deserves some lore of its own.

[@gibby_da_birb]

W take as well the horse is named Leonard.

[@takoyakiiii]

Tarnished: And I somehow have to clean up this family drama?

[@tateallen9972]

“Subscribe to the channel but only if you enjoy the content.” Bro. I have great respect for you. Thanks for not shoving the subscribe button down our throats like 99% of other KZbinrs. I just finished Elden ring 25 minutes ago, so Im definitely going to binge all your lore videos now that there’s no risk of spoilers anymore

[@jeftecoutinho]

12:10 I think that's fairly simple. Mohg wants to create his own order, but for that to happen he needs a god to be a vessel for the Elden Ring.

[@mattwebb563]

I never put that Marika line about “make of thee what you will, but not become anything and die as a sacrifice” and Godwyn’s death together, but it makes me feel like the death of Godwin was specifically because he did not reject the greater will. He was a member of the golden lineage, and probably intended to continue it. And of course, of all of her sons and daughters, he is the only one to die. At the feet of someone rejecting the greater will, no doubt. It makes that line much more nefarious. Marika issued an opportunity or a threat. Godwyn chose wrong according to her, and he died for it. If he would not reject the Greater Will, she would reject him. She tried to use her children to supplant (or maybe just dominate/subordinate?) the Greater Will, and when they failed, she turned to the tarnished, her ace in the hole

[@basedgodly1623]

Thought the exact same thing. I think maybe she even knew he would never turn and had the dragons on his side I think she had a hand In the night of the black knives and chose him to die for the reason

[@themissionary58]

And of the 7 dead (soulless) demigods in the 7 mausoleums? They are Marika's unwanted children and died after Godwyn and seem to be succumbing to Destined Death, at least according to the 2 eclipse shields. Maybe they were "sacrifices" too? They are something I've been thinking about a lot recently.

[@Rusty_Spy]

I don't think so. It doesn't make sense for her to tell her children to "make of themselves as they will", then kill them if they do something she doesn't approve of. It's clear to me she's anticipating the Shattering war and declaring they will be forsaken if none of them make anything of themselves, i.e a stalemate. Considering she's the one who later extends grace to the Tarnished to lead them back to the Lands Between to kill the demigods and take their great runes, this is the sacrificial state she's likely condemning them to. It all points to her wanting someone, ANYONE to bring about reform to the Lands Between after she shatters the Elden Ring, and the demigods, failing to do that, being condemned to die at the hands if the Tarnished seeking to become Elden Lord.

[@mattwebb563]

@@Rusty_Spy it’s not the part of her telling them to make of themselves what they will, but rather part of the line where she says if they fail to do so, they will be become a sacrifice. And Godwyn became a sacrifice to the plan of Ranni, who made of herself what she willed. Which Marika likely assisted with. Maybe it was simply a prophecy, but that line sounds much more like a threat. Also reform is a nice way of putting it, as Marika is the one who caused much of the stagnation and issues of the world due to her removing the Rune of Death, and outliving her welcome. It is actually the Greater Will who attempted to reform the Golden Order, via electing new Empyreans who were to create a new order. From Ranni herself. Yes still under the thumb of the Greater Will, but what evidence is there that the Greater Will was the issue? Ranni seems to view the order that the greater will brought as a net positive, but that it needs to be removed from the world as that is what causes the negative. It seems the issue was Marika and her desire to not be supplanted.

[@BigBossDP]

Marika knew that the demigods would fail to succeed her and Radagon and that one day the Tarnished would return. In the mission of the Tarnished the Demigods serve as simple tests, sacrifices. Forsaken by the Greater Will for their transgressions. Marika knew that, but still she hoped for her children that they would brace the challenges that would follow with the inheritance of a Great Rune. The Greater Will simply wanted to test them, 3 champions for 3 Empyreans. And then, when these failed, came Morgott. You know the rest.

[@justmustard56]

About why mogh whant Miquella: we know, from a dialogue from melina with the words of Marika, that she (marika) said to the demigods to make something of themselves, be it a lord, be it a god, if they didn't, they would be forsaken and will die as a sacrifice (that's why the final words of morgoth is that in the end he was forsaken). Well, why she said to them be lords or gods, because only the empyreans could become gods, all others would become lords. The empyreans have the power to communicate/become hosts of the outer gods, like marika, and only them could make a new order (gowry say this). Since mogh is not an empyrean, he could not start an order, he would need and empyrean, that's where Miquella comes in. We see on the items about mogh that he wants to become a consort, a lord of blood, and he needs a god to be married with. The only empyrean left is Miquella, well, the only that would not nuke him to death. Miquella had so much trouble with outer gods that he created a golden unalloyed needle so the outer gods wouldn't influence him or malenia. So, thats why he goes after Miquella and that's why he is the lord of blood.

[@martinpoletti7845]

Yeah I thought that was quite clear...

[@stevenniece8588]

The Golden alloy needle was made by miquella to stop the scarlet rott from consuming melania

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Gotta disagree with the beginning, not every boss is at its weakest and some are stronger than ever. Godrick was the weakest of the demigods during the shattering but by the time we find him he has been grafting powerful warriors into him for a long time, AKA he looks ugly but is stronger than ever. Rykard finished his experiments and decided to be consumed by the Immortal Serpent, he looks ugly but is perhaps (very likely) stronger than ever. Malenia blooms for the third time and LITERALLY BECOMES A GOD, goddess of Rot to be precise. Mogh powered up by becoming a follower of the formless mother and gained the power of Bloodflame. IMO only Radahn and phase 1 fire giant fall under the “nerfed” category. But again, this is Fromsoft, we could always argue on technicalities. Dark Souls was way clearer on this theme of “lost greatness” (although again, some may feel otherwise with their head cannon or specific bosses) and I’m glad that Elden Ring allowed us to fight bosses that are by all means legendary and at their “arguably” best. I would say the boss that gave me this feeling of greatness by the enemy the most was Godfrey, he looks regal/legendary as he is meant to because Serosh nerfs him, and then he fights you at 100% as Hoarah Loux, not as honorable but by all means a powerful enemy that is giving it his all without any handicaps.

[@zora508]

I don't think malenia bloom three times The one you see before the arena looks like millicent flower and it’s much smaller and different from malenia one Also it doesn't make sense cuz she was sleeping after the first bloom until you meet her

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

@@zora508 like the end of my comment said, interpretation. At first I felt just like you, that at some point of the DLC we could fight Malenia again because of the idea that she has only bloomed twice (Radahn and our fight), and to an extend I hope that’s true in order to get a rematch with an improved moveset. However I now have the head cannon of us seeing the 3rd bloom. The first and most obvious reason is that her name CHANGES TO GODDESS OF ROT, how is she suppose to become a god when she already became a god. And that’s when I got the following Head Cannon. The dexterity talisman tells the tale of Malenia’s Master, a blind sword saint (Ok sword-man but I’m adding flavor to the story) manage to defeat an Outer God of Rot long ago. Later on he took a student, Malenia. Later on in the game we receive the weapon of Malenia’s master as a treasure from a carriage in the land of snow and fog. The lore of this weapon let us know that the creator of Malenia’s Waterflow combo was in fact her master. Now comes the theory head cannon, after arriving to the Haligtree thanks to Finlay’s help, Malenia would have woken up to face his master, disappointed at her for being unable to resist the call of the Scarlet Rot (remember Milicent’s quest, apparently blooming is a dishonorable last resort of sorts, giving in to it may cause a loss of self if not something similar to becoming a puppet to an Outer God). This would have lead to a duel amongst the 2 in which Malenia would again have to bloom in order to win the fight. Please remember that during our fight against her she does in fact bloom again and can even use the bloom as a regular attack. We already saw the size of her Aeonia in fight so the size of the one outside shouldn’t be an issue. And we got to love Fromsoft. Being formulaic isn’t a bad thing by default. Becoming stronger meaning dishonored isn’t a new concept. Lady Maria in BB also became desperate when using her Vileblood heritage despite her preference of using only her skill. Lady Friede in DS3 doesn’t show her black flames powers most likely because of the shame of being a failure at attempting the Lord of Hollows ending. She is an Ashen therefore she did try to link the flame but failed. I’m sure in a head cannon and not Miyazaki item description kind of way that she feels shame on her failure and hides her true power. Emma in Sekiro didn’t learn the way of the Blade to kill people but solely to kill the Sculpture if he were to become a demon. On the Shura ending we are about to becoming something far worse than the Demon of Hatred and Emma sees the need of stopping us before we bring chaos to the land, despite being our former ally, a more tragic than dishonorable fight but I wanted to give her amazing fight a mention anyway. And now with ER we got Malenia giving herself to the Scarlet Rot completely and ascending to Godhood. Where Radahn and her Master failed we managed to rise above and win. And so we win against her, an Empyrean, not a mere demigod and a vessel for the power of the Rot Outer God. Fingers Crossed Miquella’s DLC boss fights lives up to the hype and continues this trend of Marika’s children finding their purpose outside the Golden Order by following the teachings of another being of great powers!

[@eetfuk3571]

agree about Mohg and Malenia where Malenia literally warned us that we will witness true horror, something Radahn himself never saw but us Tarnished will. Mohg literally never fought in the war, he went incognito and took Miquella out and all he did was to hide and make Miquella talk and Mohg unveiled his true form.

[@jimschuler8830]

Well, my question is, if Elden Ring had a head cannon, would it be a cannon sat upon the head, or a cannon that shoots heads? I'm guessing both.

[@zora508]

@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 I love fromsoftware story telling but I think they should have been more clear with elden ring cuz almost everything is becoming a headcanon

[@TheDuckPowers]

with what we’re told about Godrick i don’t think he’d be the son of Godwyn, he’s described as a “distant relation” to Marika and Godfrey which at least to me makes it sound like they wouldn’t just be his grandparents, more likely there’s a decent distance between them on the family tree

[@nickhunter9673]

"The Fact that she can repel our attacks says everything we need to know about her power" JUST LIKE RODERIKA!!! RODERIKA IS A DEMIGOD CONFIRMED?! XD

[@playmaker7871]

Roderika needs to be all-powerful Best person to rule the lands between

[@KingTairun]

Some Demigods are stronger some are weaker Rykard is way stronger, The Omen twins are stronger than ever. Godfrey is at full power. Malenia is stronger than usual by unleashing her rot form for the first time summoning the flower multiple times. The Elden beast is as his usual strength only difference is they don't have an army behind them and are forced to fight 1 on 1

[@damienmitchell3104]

the scar on its belly i think was meant to be a visual clue of where to repost. i ave no diea how else it could get there.

[@maliklovelace7000]

@@damienmitchell3104 the scar could be from the thorn in Marikas side.

[@rafsandomierz5313]

@@damienmitchell3104 Well our character burns the erdtree and unleashes destined death so the death comes back to Elden ring it could somehow hurt Elden beast.

[@damienmitchell3104]

@@rafsandomierz5313 idk how that would work since removing destined death iirc actually pissed the greater will off

[@justhair17]

Is Godfrey at full power tho? He is no longer Elden Lord.

[@_ariosto1519]

Those lines from Malenia regarding Marika’s message to her children, truly amazing! Thank you for another great video!🏋🏿

[@Dayhawk101]

Melina*

[@camila_costa12]

@@Dayhawk101 it's malenia

[@letsgitcrackin]

@@camila_costa12 melina

[@Frostbite08]

In a weird way, Marika's plan is starting to remind me of the Godhand. Marika to her children: "Make of thyselves that which ye desire." Godhand to their apostles: "Do as thou wilt."

[@oliverhambleton4337]

Excellent video. A demonstration of Rannis strength and capability you missed, is the battle against Rennalla. Ranni managed to not only prevent Rennallas death, but to also conjure a pocket universe for phase 2, to protect her mother & help battle the tarnished. I know it makes practical sense in game for Rennalla to stay alive, however, it is also likely that Ranni is the one to place the protective seal around Grand Library following Radagons betrayal.

[@zrainpacific4582]

im here in 2024 and this guy was right about miquella at 12:29 miquella used his ability to lure mohg to kidnap him

[@aranthur]

I don't know that I've seen anybody discussing this exact topic yet, but is it possible that the reason Godwyn becomes a big fish thing is because, as one who lives in death, he has now technically become an inorganic or artificial form of life? Every other form of inorganic/artificial life we've seen, such as the Albinaurics, have one thing in common after all Silver blood! And what in the real world has a lot of quicksilver (or mercury) in its blood?? Fish! So his body is changing into a form more fitting for a being of silver instead of gold Maybe this is even also why the second generation albinaurics look like they do. It is somehow the natural inclination of silver-based lifeforms to become more like deep-sea creatures over time, and to spend their time in lakes and rivers and such... Love the video, by the way! Can't wait for the next one

[@bigchungus6827]

Wait hold up, did you just call fish inorganic?

[@alfalldoot6715]

@@bigchungus6827 They are demonic creatures

[@aranthur]

@@bigchungus6827 lol I didnt, the game did! In addition to Godwyn and the Albinaurics both turning more aquatic over time, you also have spirits turning into jellyfish, the most powerful undead being "mariners" on little boats, and the few living creatures able to use deathblight attacks being amphibious lizards and some giant crabs. There seems to be a pretty clear connection being made between inorganic forms of life and the sea

[@bigchungus6827]

@@aranthur Albinaurics are organic, though. They are artificial life, but they are organic, and also completely unconnected to Godwyn. There is some forms of life specifically stated to be inorganic in the game, and they are all explicitly connected to the stars and space. A few counterpoints to your examples, though: The majority of the spirits present in the game are either headless soldiers, who willingly got themselves amputated or the ancestor spirit civilization, almost all being either humanoid or horses. The most powerful undead in the strictest sense is Fortissax (if you count him as undead, which is, tbh, very debatable), and as a species, the Death Birds, both avian creatures. Albinaurics as a whole seem to still follow the majority of the rules that organic life do, such as having diets, blood, and seemingly body functions that can be (and often are by default) compromised. Those that live in Death (so undead as a whole) also seem to retain aspects of their organic forms from life, and largely seem to originate from regular humans, which also calls the artificial part into question.

[@aranthur]

@@bigchungus6827 I'm not trying to diagnose the anatomy of these beings or define the rules on how undeath works. I'm saying that, thematically, the creators of this game want you to think about the sea when you think about things that are alive in a nontraditional way, such as being undead or artificially created. It is called symbolism

[@baron7562]

if you read the description of Beast Blood, it says: "This glimmering blood never rots or decays". Maybe Miquella realized that his original plan to solve scarlet rot by growing the Haligtree is not going to work. So he let himself be intentionally kidnapped by Mogh so that he can get access to the literal stockpile of blood that is in Mohgwyn Palace.

[@darknessscythe1]

I don't think so but this is an interesting idea and I'm glad you voiced it. It's not outside of possibility.

[@takoyakiiii]

A possibility

[@baron7562]

@@darknessscythe1 yeah I may be totally wrong here xD but if you read the item description of Bewitching Branch, it says: "The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people. Indeed, he has learned very well how to compel such affection." This means he has the ability to make people love and trust him in some way so it seems quite likely to me that if he didnt wish to get kidnapped, he could have simply bewitched Mogh and made him an ally instead. And you can see he kinda did that to Mogh to some extent as Mogh's behavior suggest he is basically obsessed with Miquella. :v Now you can obviously bring up that he was in his slumber at that time. But if we cross referemce him with the whole St. Trina thing, we can also speculate that he/she has control over sleep/slumber etc. Anyway, its all just theories. Hopefully a future DLC will clear things up. :)

[@UnholyWrath3277]

Miquella despised the outer gods it's extremely unlikely he would resort to siding with one after all he did to stop them. But it's not impossible that's the fun of head canon

[@baron7562]

@@UnholyWrath3277 good point. But then again, he does have access to Miqulella's Needle which when used in Placidusax arena, can remove the influence of outer god. Which means he can meddle with them for his benefit and then remove it when he doesnt need it anymore ;) He kind of already did something similar where he initially sided with Golden Order Fundamentalists(namely Radagon himself) but eventually broke off to do his own thing when he realised it wont stop scarlet rot.

[@dimensionalshade8290]

Going back to this video its interesting because miquella was indeed an empyrean level demigod

[@jamesnorman9160]

It's always the case with these worlds, we're only seeing them during the long decline, long after these figures have been at their peak. But what we face in the game still gives you a good impression of their original power. I do feel that Malenia and Radahn were easily the strongest of all the demigods back then and even now (Radahn continues to hold the stars in the sky even in his degenerative state and Malenia remains a fearsome warrior and even ascends to partial Godhood, plus unlike the other demigods she's been hidden away sleeping so she didn't go to war or start other plans that would weaken her further), though I also feel that in his current state Rykard may be getting up there, if the serpent continued to devour other warriors and grow stronger and stronger. And as for Miquella, who knows? By the time he finally wakes up he could truly be the most fearsome Empyrean of them all.

[@TheBacknblack92]

Actually with the exception of radhan all the demigods we fight are at their highest power. It's usually the case in fromsoft games you're facing the enemies at their weakest but not this time. Rykard has his union with the serpent and consumption of thousands of warriors. Melania became a full God during our fight with her. He covered morgott and mohg being more powerful. Godrick gained considerable power through the grafting process after his defeat in the shattering. When we do eventually face miquella he will be at full power since he was slumbering in an attempt to reach godhood. There is nothing to suggest that they're weaker now than they were in the past. People are just assuming they are because that's how it was with darksouls and bloodborne. Their armies are weaker but that's because they fought against one another so much

[@Rolfhn]

@@TheBacknblack92 Also, if you piss off Ranni she kill's you just by being on front of her, I asume she is actually the most powerfull until we see what happens with Miquella on a future DLC.

[@reggielacey2235]

I actually disagree with the fact that when you face then, they were weakened. Most actually got way stronger when we meet them and Melania literally because the goddess of rot For the first time. I'd say only radahn was somewhat weakest but I don't think by much. Dude was still able to hold back the stars with his power which isn't a easy feat

[@autisticturtle1849]

@@Rolfhn I feel like Ranni’s instakill leans towards gameplay more than canon personally as it would be easier for them to just make your character die instantly rather than spawning a bunch of projectiles Ranni’s definitely cracked tho since she made the Rennala 2nd phase which summons fucking agheel

[@maliklovelace7000]

@@autisticturtle1849 this is an open world game tho and you can kill pretty much who you want regardless of them having quests or not, Ranni being unkillable and strong enough to kill us may very well be lore related.

[@maleniabladeofmiquella3758]

I hope we get to see Malenia one day again. I want to find out the real reason she fought Radahn Interesting that she skipped over the capital and went straight for Caelid

[@darthacez]

I believe we will see her again in Miquella’s DLC.

[@maleniabladeofmiquella3758]

@@darthacez I certainly hope you are right Not as a fight again but as an NPC or maybe even a new ending

[@Soogooroo]

There item descriptions removed from the game that talk about it I think. I think someone from the capital allowed to walk through it

[@maleniabladeofmiquella3758]

@@Soogooroo that’s pretty interesting. They removed a lot when it comes to Malenia and it frustrates me lol

[@Soogooroo]

@@maleniabladeofmiquella3758 actually it was about her cleanrot knight carrying her back to the haligtree. No one came to attack her and they let her walk through the capital. I'm not sure who let her walk through it I can't remember, it might of been morgott but idk

[@wuggey5686]

Soon as I heard about ranni giving rykard something to defeat maliketh , I thought that ranni was using rykard like he said to get the rune of death , rykard probably tried , failed and wanted more power so he turned towards the snake . Ranni realizing her plan failed then went on to the next

[@Shane-gg3hl]

No Ranni actually gave Rykkard a small part of the rune of death to create the Blasphemous Claw which Rykkard can then use to beat Maliketh should their plans go south.

[@RoninWaffle]

One thing I haven't really noticed anyone talking about with Miquella is what you see the very instant you walk into the Mohg boss arena. Mohg is literally *inside* Miquella in the form of blood. He has to bleed himself back out of him to keep us from interfering. Coupled with the cocoon, you have to assume that Mohg is using some kind of blood magic to effect some kind of metamorphosis on Miquella--likely on his body, trying to manually override the curse that traps him in a child's body. And this is a metamorphosis *_we interrupt._* I think we could very likely see a DLC where we enter Miquella's dream and see that whatever stage of metamorphosis we cut him off at, whatever this exposure to blood magic was, it's turned him into something dreadful

[@jarthegiraffe3303]

Just got back into ER and this is one of the best theories I've read of Miquella thus far. There's no way this loved and caring demi-god of the past will wake up and still be that same person. Not in a Fromsoft game.

[@myralumen]

Somehow it is very difficult for me to name my favorite demi-god, or character even, because they all have something very cool and charming about them. Rather, if I look at everyone's ties and relationships to each other, I would say the Ranni-Blaidd-Iji trio and the Melania-Miquella duo are my favorites of all.

[@justhair17]

I'd say Morgott, then Miquella/Malenia, then Ranni for me

[@hugocontente6260]

theory: Malenia and Miquella were working together with Ranni and Rykard. The twins were empires, they served as receptacles for the other gods. Malenia already possessed the god of rot, but Miquella was still an empty vessel. The twins were aided by Ranni and realized the possibility of life that did not originate from Erdtree but from the Black Moon, the albinacules, and decided to give rise to a power parallel to that of the great will. There are several things that link these gods together, like Loretta and the Black Knives that protect the entrance to Halightree. For this plan to work, they had to kill Radahn, who held the stars, and Godwyn (I couldn't think of a reason), who represented the golden order, the sun god. I believe that Miquella should shelter the Black Moon because the other half of the medallion that leads to the sacred tree is in Sun Castle, where there are several references to an apocalyptic event that did not occur, named Eclipse, where Miquella's black moon would overcome the Sun. of the golden order, even the spirits that guard Godwyn's mausoleums are marked by this eclipsed Sun, and the Fia's rune of restoration is also an eclipse. While Malenia was trying to kill Radahn, Mogh invaded the Halightree and kidnapped Miquella with the intention of using him as a vessel for the Formless Mother, and, as the spirit atop the Sun Castle says, the Eclipse did not go as it should.

[@drewblock1365]

Ok bro but where's the sun?

[@hugocontente6260]

@@drewblock1365 It is not explained but it is possible to understand the sun as a symbol for the golden order, after all the order is often related to rings of light, in the dung eater's armor there is a sun, which is a symbol of the guidance of grace, the elden stars spell it's described as a star of light... I believe they didn't explicitly use the sun because of the parallels with the lore of Dark Souls.

[@rafsandomierz5313]

@@hugocontente6260 Well Godwyn was very effective peace negotiator, to the point he stopped the war between Dragons and Golden Order.

[@tinminator8905]

I think Malenia was also at her most powerful when we fought her as she literally becomes a god during her fight with us.

[@ungoliver]

exactly, the title also changes to goddess of rot

[@darthacez]

@@ungoliver Yep, but she became a Goddess temporarily with the third bloom becoming a true goddess meaning that the the goddess form will become permanent (which is why we didn’t see Goddess Slain message)

[@dragonsinofdrip9023]

@@darthacez that's a lil head cannon-y plus malenia is an emperyean meaning she was born of a single god as such she has the capacity to actually BECOME an true god or goddess so her goddess of rot wasnt temporary

[@darthacez]

@@dragonsinofdrip9023 It is deduction. Plus I deduced from the description of Aeonian Butterflies - butterfly with withered, scarlet wings found in the swamp of Aeonia. Material used for crafting items. According to myth, these butterflies were once the wings of the Goddess of Rot herself. These butterflies only appear whenever Malenia transform into the Goddess of Rot as we can see in the second phase. Secondly, when we returned the Unalloyed Gold Needle with Millicent’s dew - the essence of Malenia’s “sense of self” and dignity to Malenia aftter the boss fight, the flower (sentient) reacts giving us Miquella’s needle and Ancient Smith Dragon Stone(deduced as form of gratitude from Malenia for returning her dignity.) Also unlike, the Elden Beast where we have see the God Slain message, we haven’t seen the Goddess Slain message when we defeat Malenia. There is a reason why true goddess term was used. She was still a demigoddess ,deduced that she only temporarily ascended into Goddess of Rot state allowing Aeonian Butterflies appear in the Swamp of Aeonia where the first bloom occurs and second time against us. She only blooms when she is in high distress or close to death during battles (can be seen against Radahn and us). With the third bloom she will become a true goddess, meaning the state will become permanent.

[@thealmightyavocado5616]

@@dragonsinofdrip9023 Empyreans are not just born from a single God, they are chosen by their two fingers to succeed Queen Marika. Ranni is an empyrean but she was born to Radagon and Rennala. She was chosen by her two fingers to succeed Queen Marika, along with Malenia and Miquella.

[@damienmitchell3104]

16:20 Radahn did choose the golden order over the carrian royal family but he did seem to love his family alot so i doubt the blocking of the stars was to fuck them over. there are theories that his magical tutor came from the stars and warned the warrior of what was out there, also by halting the stars he could take a neutral ish position imho. he stoped the carrian fate but doesnt have to fight them since he did that type of scenario

[@beniron5807]

I forget where but it mentions that he did it to protect the sorcery town of Sellia where he learned his magic. Radhan has a habit of being overly sentimental. He loves the legend of Godfry, mastered a magic type to ride his horse. I mean I 100% believe there was a threat from the stars to a town and place he loved dearly so he just stopped it in it's tracks. May have been a unexpected coincident that it halted Ranni's fate too.

[@Nebulisreconx]

Also wanted to point out that the second phase of Queen Renala’s fight is a kind of illusion cast by Ranni showing what she was like before Radagon abandoned her. The potency and power of that illusion is also a great testament to Ranni’s capabilities.

[@TheOdinsLance]

Elden ring is a very recent post apocalypse. A lot of the damage feels like it happened less than a hundred years ago.

[@HenryGreenEngine3]

the actual heir to house Marais is found west of the Shaded Castle in a field of broken statues and rocks n stuff alongside a flame golem

[@aryanjain7669]

5:10 it says that due to death of godwyn the golden he became the prince of death and then the dragon empire became very weak due to the corruption and death within. If queen marika knew that after godwyn's death that the dragon empire will shatter, she might have plotted with ranni for the night of the black knights.

[@justmustard56]

I would like to see a video about the walking mausoleum. We find things linking them with Godwyn, castle sol, Miquella and we even find the same headless statues that are inside them in that room with the big flower close to malenias arena

[@jingalls9142]

That's an astute observation. I never noticed that one. Good one person!

[@ricardodarcangelo2437]

I second this request. There's very little I know about them

[@Dark_Anarchus]

You forgot to talk about Godefroy The Grafted, you could've said that he was by the side of Radahn in the first siege of Leyndell. You could've also talk about the grafted scions. A scion is a descendant and a heir to a wealthy or influencial family ( golden lineage ) and can also be a grafted part of a plant.

[@Empireo_sebastian]

What if Godwyn actually procreated with a Dragon to have Godrick? It would make Godrick's line "Lend me thy strength oh kindred" actually literal. I doubt it since he's very weak but it sounded fun to me

[@tinminator8905]

That would be such a hype theory. I know it's a bit memey but I kind of like shipping Godwyn and Lansseax' human dragon priestess form. It does sound really funny when we say that Godrick is a dragon.

[@Empireo_sebastian]

@@tinminator8905 I'm kinda pissed off we couldn't interact with Lansseax tbh. Item descriptions made her sound like an interesting npc

[@boilingpot3285]

@@tinminator8905 I to, love watching Dragon maid

[@eprimchad2576]

i think he calls them kindred because dragons were the first elden lord and he considers himself in that same line of elden lords so theyre like his family in that sense. he even refers to the dragon in his boss arena as a trueborn heir.

[@Empireo_sebastian]

@@eprimchad2576 perhaps that's the case. I'm wondering if there's additional lore to be found in the original text. Maybe his dialogue is mistranslated

[@TheSUGA1202]

Hey guys, i have the theory that the blasphemous serpent might be a shadow. It is a beast with a voracious appetite like Maliketh when he devours the deathroot and like Blaidd in the mistwood, it is inmortal. The serpent could be the shadow of the former god before Marika . Another interesting thing is that in dark souls 3 we learned that snakes were imperfect dragons . The former god that wielded the Elden Ring had Placidusaax as a consort and might had the Snake as a Shadow.

[@eprimchad2576]

dude wow that is a good insight im gonna have to look into that more see if i can find anything about it.

[@Rusty_Spy]

Shadows seem to all be characterized as wolves or wolf-like creatures though

[@TheSUGA1202]

@@Rusty_Spy True, my way of justifying it is that the snake is a beast and that at the previous god era wolves didnt exist or the requirements for being a shadow were changed afterwards but its still just a wild guess.That is a hole in my theory.

[@draghettis6524]

Morgott may have placed Margit there in order to prevent Godrick from getting stronger by grafting Tarnished upon himself, in addition to protecting him from strong Tarnished wanting to get his Great Rune.

[@Shane-gg3hl]

Its more likely he wanted to prevent the tarnished from fighting and defeating Godrick, thereby gaining Godricks great rune and becoming more powerful as Godrick was lore-wise the weakest among the shard bearers.

[@ldeeevs1747]

Or maybe he didn't want Godrick to completely lose himself through grafting.

[@Shane-gg3hl]

@@ldeeevs1747 LOL come on, almost everyone in the lands between hated him especially Morgott who branded him (along with the other shard bearers) as wilful traitors.

[@mothh7600]

Morgott was concerned about godrick becoming stronger via grafting and tried to sneak into the castle in order to stop him This is where we first encounter him

[@wrathofthegods4739]

@@mothh7600 no, morgott just tries to stop you at his earliest possible convenience, he sees the tarnished heading for stormveil and try’s to end it there under the guise of Margit the fell omen, it already tells you that he is trying to protect the erd tree and anyone that tries to approach the capital he kills, it says he’s stacked up piles of bodies over the years protecting the erd tree as his alias Margit

[@twelve11]

18:40 love the note, the voice acting here is truly iincredible

[@patrickmorin752]

I do hope that DLC involves time travel and that we can choose what demigod we support, for example if we choose Radhan or Morgott we could participate in the defense of Lyindell.

[@Keidon1337]

11:02 For me Formless also reminds me of Bloodborne, a game completely centered around blood. In that game, the overuse of blood turns you into a beast, the bullets you fire from your gun are crafted from your own blood, and an upgrade you can equip, called Formless Odeon, increases the amount of bullets you can carry. Formless Odeon and Formless Mother could be either one in the same, or related. Could Bloodborne possibly be the dynasty Mohg brings forth?

[@QxTYoko]

Elden Ring = "Some bosses you'll fight are not even fighting you with even an ounce of their strength"

[@tylerduncan5908]

20:04 additionally, ranni can just straight up kill you. If you decide to administer the amber draught from selivus, she is not affected, and asks you to leave. If you talk to her 3 times after without absolving your sins, she instantly kills you. No weapon, no spell, no words or incantation, she just straight up deletes the player. She could probably delete your entire save file and uninstall the game if she wanted to tbh.

[@darthacez]

Malenia was at her most powerful when she temporarily ascends into the Goddess of Rot state for the second time but will become even more powerful after the third bloom when she becomes a “true goddess” meaning that the state will become permanent. (I deduced this due to the description of Aeonian Butterflies - A butterfly with withered, scarlet wings found in the swamp of Aeonia.Material used for crafting items.According to myth, these butterflies were once the wings of the Goddess of Rot herself”, leading me to believe when she bloomed for the first time against Radahn in Caelid, she temporarily ascends to the Goddess of Rot state in Caelid before passing out and going to a deep slumber. We see these butterflies when she temporarily apotheosizes into the Goddess of Rot state a second time.) Also due to us returning the Unalloyed Gold Needle with Millicent’s dew - containing the essence of Malenia’s “sense of self” and dignity she will be sane when she wakes.

[@Necrosman89]

I think its actually quite fitting that Godrick tried to artifically enhance himself by grafting others to his flesh, so to do you artifically enhance yourself by use of the Great Rune. Thematically, it makes the most sense out of all the Great Rune effects.

[@TrueAuthenticSweets]

I hope we get to see Radahn in his prime in a possible time travel dlc

[@terrinator133]

Elemer of the Briar is most likely at Shaded Castle because it was once the house of Maleigh Marais, Shaded Castle Castellan. A "castellan" is a "governor of a castle" and Maleigh Marias is a descendent from a long line of executioners. (The Marias Mask item description states "The Marais family has a dual history spanning generations, serving as both executioners and castellans of the Shaded Castle") My theory is that when Elemer escaped execution; rather than face him in battle, Maleigh fled - which is why you can find him as a hostile NPC just outside the castle grounds.

[@stinger1988]

Man this is fun to watch after shadow of the erdtree

[@johnokazaki7967]

Great video! Sadly you just got so confused in the mogh part. Gideon talks about how Mogh yaps about the arrival of his dinasty. Mogh keeps Miquella because he, as an empyrean, can take the place of ueen Marika. Finally, he converts Tarnished into the Bloody Fingers we all see in different places of the world, like Elonora.

[@draghettis6524]

Godrick is probably not Godwyn's son, but at least grandson, because of Godefroy

[@David.M.R.]

Isn't Godefroy Godrick's cousin ?

[@draghettis6524]

@@David.M.R. Being his cousin would imply it is the son of another demigod. So probably not. Brother maybe, but I'm more for father or grandfather

[@thegk-verse4216]

I won't even count godefroy as existing

[@draghettis6524]

@@thegk-verse4216 Fair

[@funky952]

Ranni is like her mother, doesnt trust the higher will and does crazy stuff to get out of it

[@erin1569]

Bruh, I feel like Marika&Radagon could imagine their children into existence, they're gods and stuff. That might be the same thing that Mohg is trying to do with Miquella, but it's possible that Miquella has to be awake to think their child into existence like that.

[@Iso20227]

12:03 Mohg may be a descendant of Godfrey and Marika, but he is not an empyrean. (A potential vessel for an outer god). Miquella was an empyrean, and the most easily “acquired” one. While Malenia fought Radahn in the shattering to protect Miquella while he grew his haligtree to cure Malenia’s scarlet rot, Mohg snuck into said haligtree and kidnapped the unconscious Miquella. Even as Miquella grew his tree, Malenia lived there causing it to rot as it grew. (Explaining the pools of scarlet rot near Malenia’s battlefield.) But apparently, empyreans cannot accept a host while unconscious, and Miquella has yet to come out of his coma, even after we kill Mohg. The formless mother has yet to find an empyrean host.

[@en4069]

Have you noticed that there are 3 demigod children born of Godfrey and Marika, 3 of Radagon and Rennala and 3 of Marika and Radagon if you count Melina as their child beside Malenia and Miquella. Their name even starts with the first letter of one of their parents (Godfrey: Godwyn, Marika: Morgott, Mogh | Radagon and Rennala: Rykard, Radahn, Ranni | Marika: Malenia, Miquella, Melina) But only if the theory is true that Melina is the child of Marika.

[@TyIerTheeCreator]

Wow

[@banjokazooie170]

Tbf in Rykards case his power gain is near absolute. Imagine him fighting any of the other demigods had the serpent Hunter spear been hidden or destroyed

[@ShirakiAkarin]

The first bloom of Malenia is unknown, the second is with Radahn, third is with us, that's why she is the goddess of Rot in her second phase and why she now blooms as she pleasesn has wings and other powers.

[@lilricebowl9731]

You can see the second one in the room to the left right before entering Malenia’s boss room

[@mccoolfriend6818]

Honestly, the lore here is just amazing especially Ranni's whose quest ending where I marry her (best thing) is on the meteor that fell from the sky where her 2 fingers were. I just thought they were hidden but everyone can agree with me, with the Fingermaiden of Our 2 Fingers, told us straight "Go ahead and burn the tree, the 2 fingers wont see" Cool Granny

[@Mike-zx6sl]

What's wild to me is how strong some of these characters scale. Radahn is, without exaggeration, on par with Frieza Saga (or perhaps even Cell Saga) characters in Dragon Ball. Morgot and Malenia aren't terribly far behind, and supposedly Miquella is the strongest of all. Typically when people throw the term "God" around in fiction they just mean really strong. In Elden Ring THEY ACTUALLY MEAN IT.

[@Inviabledude45]

Radan feats are actually less impressive than you think. Normally holding up stars would be impressive but key note here, he is only holding them up with a gravity spell and he doesn't actually have full control over them. Second normally, without context being able to control these stars would put him at multi star level which is 17 thousand times weaker than a solar sytem level fighter like cell( which extremely low balled cell. Going of android 16 stament of cell being able to wipe out the enitre unvirse and the fact cell scales to super sayain 2 goku and majin vegeta who are able to fight kid buu a multi galaxy level entity, this would mean cell is galaxy level to multi galaxy level. The only reason people say he's only solar system level is because he states he's going to destroy the solar system so that's a good low ball for him). However back to radan, that mutli star level is going off the assumption that radan is holding up and can control stars the size of the soon which we know he isn't. One of these so called stars crash after his death and we can see the elden ring stars are far smaller than planets. So this means radan high balled at best is multi planet level which puts him in line with nappa high balled and even saying raditz is low balled. Considering 10k is needed to destoy a large planet, raditz could destory a small planet like earth with relative ease and even not using the offical guide and just using the actual magna piccloo easily destroying the moon with a power level of 300 means raditz actually using his full power at 1200 could destory the earth. This means even if we high ball radan and say he could just use all the stars as nukes and theoretically blow up the planet, that puts him at raditz level. However that's just power speaking wise. Speed wise, well considering radan is so slow that having a horse boosts his movment speed, its only logical to assume light speed raditz is millions of times faster.

[@ricardodarcangelo2437]

Ugh, I'm fighting Malenia now at RL65... That "we know" after she said her name hits deep man. Lol Awesome video concept and expert editing my dude, keep up the awesome ER content!

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

Dude you are super underleveled

[@ricardodarcangelo2437]

@@thediabolicalraisin8953 yeah man, I'm aware. It's intentional lol. And I'm playing without summons. She's the last boss in the game left, besides final, and I was one hit away last night... survived waterfowl, but was out of preserving boluses and died to rot. She's going down today

[@CptDawner]

Rykard is evil, but he is a fearless leader, and a good brother. I can respect that. My Lord will weep, for there are no more worlds to conquer

[@aarontruong354]

12:08 I thought this was because since Miquella is an Empyrean, Mohg becoming his consort would allow him to be Elden Lord

[@blizzardgaming7070]

I think opening cutscenes shot of Radahn being pinned by Morgott took place well before the shattering, I think this was how Morgott introduced Margit to the world. Radahn is too small for it to be during shattering and none of the soldiers are red-manes.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

He was still large in his youth, just not as huge as we see him.

[@blizzardgaming7070]

@@blacktigerpaw1 in that shot he is about Morgotts size, maybe a little smaller.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@blizzardgaming7070 You can see his legs slightly bent, but yeah he's around Morgott's size at that point.

[@Rusty_Spy]

Sounds like a stretch since the narration is referring to the shattering when displaying that image. Occam's razor would point to it just being artist interpretation.

[@filippogrimaldi7228]

I believe it's simply to show that Morgott was winning (historical character in victory-celebrating paintings are usually larger than the defeated, not respecting actual sizes most of the times). Also, in the next frames we're shown Rykard's head being eaten/inglobated by the God Devouring Serpent, but they are represented in realistic size, and not as enourmous as they are in game

[@customersupportdeer6150]

1:28 This is not true for the majority of the demigods/Shardbearers: -Godrick grew more powerful with each grafted limb, and is at his strongest with the grafted dragon. -Rykard is one of the most powerful beings in existence, grows stronger with every devoured victim, and is certainly more powerful than in his human form. -There is no evidence for the twins being weakened in any way. Both Morgott and Mohg are in their prime, and Morgott even awakens his omen blood and powers up in second phase. -Imo Malenia is also reaches new heights in her Rot Godess-phase, and this may not even be her final form. The only who are obviously weakened are: -Radahn, who is dying, rotten and falling apart from the inside. -Renalla, who has gone mad and is a passive punching bag. We may only speculate about the rest. -Ranni may be more powerful now than in her corporeal form. She is a champion (of sorts) of the moon, is probably unkillable and ethereal, can kill us in one hit, can create powerful illusions (second phase Renalla), and a lot more we don't know about. -We have no idea what Miquella and Godwin are capable of in their current forms. For all we know, Godwyn is slowly infecting and taking over the world, and Miquella may be battling outer gods in his dream dimension (though we could probably kill him easily in the cocoon).

[@dalton2592]

People forget most Elden Ring bosses are in their prime or it isn’t known what their prime was.

[@oscarm4095]

I believe Rot Goddess Malenia, Rykard, Mohg, Morgot and Hoarah Loux we fought in their most powerful states, with Malenia, Rykard and Mohg in particular powered up by their respective outer god... For Morgot, he was never really inhibited by anything and Hoarah Loux, while we fought him past his glory days as Elden Lord, we do fight him without his bloodlust/power being mitigated by Serosh. Oh, and the Elden Beast is a literal manifestation of the Greater Will, probably the closest anyone will get, and we beat it and stole his weapon (Radagon is still a feat but he might not be fighting at his peak considering how we find him/her). As it stands, our Tarnished is the most formidable being in the history of the Lands Between imo

[@eetfuk3571]

Godfrey was and always is that strong. he never lost his touch to battle since he was sent to the Badlands just to fight forever and definitely grew stronger than what he was. we fought the strongest version of Malenia and Godfrey.

[@oscarm4095]

@@eetfuk3571 Great point. I agree that was probably Godfrey's strongest version. He did die in the Badlands but I don't think rising nerfed him in any way. Come to think of it, despite Renalla being in a weakened state, her 2nd phase was Ranni's projection or her in her prime and we brute forced. Maliketh was also probably super strong with the Rune of Death. So really, only Radahn, Placidusax, the Fire Giant and maybe Radagon were in weakened states. Radahn being the farthest from his normal self.

[@asterodon]

I love Godrick's fight, you can hear the desperation in his voice and the music. He wants nothing more than to be seen as a lord but he will never be more than someone playing as a lord

[@marcozamudio6970]

Why is Godwyn gigantic

[@piketheknight2581]

Only i replayed that part at 8:17 just because the pure energy of that voice acting??

[@arashnabavi5932]

So she gave a great rune to morgott and mohg even though they were forsaken and kept a secret in the sewers? I thought they all claimed a great rune after Marika destroyed the whole thing

[@christianlowman2698]

That's what happened. He just got it wrong

[@Auberc]

Ironic how godrick has the best second phase transition I’ve ever seen

[@Entertainment-ev6ob]

If ranni was as powerful as she’s implied to be she wouldn’t be relying on us to get everything done. If we weren’t in the lands between her goals would’ve never been accomplished because blaidd is too weak. I think goddess of rot malenia is stronger than radahn and equal to a prime radahn because she’s the only demigod considered reaching a “god” state.

[@donogoodatgames]

She is relying on us because she doesn't have a physical form to carry out any of the actions that we carry out for her. When the night of the black knives happened, she used the death rune to remove her physical form and Godwyns soul, so that she could still have influence over the world, even from the doll that she was using as a means to communicate with us. The issue with Blaidd is nothing to do with weakness, he was literally formed from the 2 fingers to protect Ranni and to make sure that she works for the Golden Order, so the fact he is even still in her service goes against everything that he was formed to be a part of. The fact that when he invades us, he is going insane because he is still defending Ranni in spite of his sole purpose of making sure she is working towards the goals of the 2 Fingers, shows that his weakness is nothing to do with his physical strengths and is entirely due to the fact that he is protecting her even though he knows it goes against everything he was created for. Also, we fought Radahn for her so that we could release the stars from his control, and then the stars would be allowed to take back the influence over the world that they had. Because the Carian Royal family have their fate tied to the stars, she could then wield the Fingerslayer Blade because it only works in the hands of somebody who has a fate in their lives.

[@Entertainment-ev6ob]

@@donogoodatgames ok rannis is still weak lol

[@maxsun13]

@@Entertainment-ev6ob everyone is literally weak in this world no one can do shit alone that's the whole point lol you're the king maker so to speak

[@Entertainment-ev6ob]

@@maxsun13 unless your the mc

[@minhsonpham6709]

7:10 notice how Godrick tries to imitate Godfred’s super big ground stomp but instead of using his feet, he uses he axe to slam on the ground. I think he probably tried using his feet before and got hurt, so he had to switch to the axe 😅

[@patrickmorin752]

Strength ranking( past/during shattering) 1/2. Radhan/Melenia 3/4/5. Morgott/Mohg/ Miqualla 6. Rykard 7. Ranni 8. Godrick (Current) 1. Melenia 2. Mohg 3. Rykard 4. Morgott 5. Radhan 6. Godrick 7. Ranni 8. Miqualla Don't take this seriously since we know very little on how strong they were mainly that Melenia and Radhan were the top 2 and Godrick was likely the weakest

[@YR-jg1gk]

Apparently the only thing wrong with ur list. Is miquella was actually the strongest demigod. The other Demi gods was afraid of miquella.

[@eetfuk3571]

@@YR-jg1gk you're referring to Maliketh. Miquella is the strongest Empyrean not the strongest Demi-God fighting wise.

[@YR-jg1gk]

@@eetfuk3571 maliketh wasn’t even on the list. Of course he is the strongest. I’m talking about all of marika children. Miquella was the strongest

[@reggielacey2235]

@@YR-jg1gk why would maliketh be the strongest even over Melania and radahn

[@soheelegb6851]

​@@YR-jg1gkMiquella is the most fearsome empyrean because he is the most brilliant not because of strength.

[@theguitarman5311]

Hopefully we do learn more about Miquella when the DLCs starts coming out, he is definitely by far one of the most interesting of the demigods

[@TheBacknblack92]

Eh I'm going to have to disagree on them being a shadow of themselves now. Thats true for Radhan but godrick is much stronger after grafting. Rykard gained power from joining with the serpent and then consuming thousands of warriors. Melania literally ascends to godhood during our fight with her. Morgott and Mohg are already covered

[@Shane-gg3hl]

Just like the other comment said, Elmer is not of house Marai but a prisoner that awaiting execution by the House Marai, but snatched the sword and slaughtered everyone in shade castle. His signature special move with the Marai sword is a technique he owned from the his home land of Eochaid ( making him a Giga Chad in the process). More likely he might have wanted to know where Malenia was to challenge her and probably won if he knew about the Marai sword cheese.

[@KitsuneShapeShifter]

Guy was a rotussy simp

[@barbarianpiggy5273]

first lol

[@battlericky17]

Confirmed you are first 🤝💯

[@oualdo94]

Last

[@barbarianpiggy5273]

@@battlericky17 *:)*

[@barbarianpiggy5273]

@@oualdo94 Bruh

[@itsm9818]

@@oualdo94 last

[@Infamous_SSJR]

Actually glad u did these lore vids.. Kind of understood what was up but u elaborate more and now when playing I approach the game differently...

[@MaxHilton]

Valeu!

[@Toasdio]

i have a genuine question, how isn't this video with at least 100k views? holy shit bro, the editing, explaining and studying that went in this video is not normal i hope, and believe, that a lot more people will discover you soon, keep getting better and best of luck, sir

[@reggielacey2235]

I mean it's wrong but still

[@Toasdio]

Lmao yeah

[@plumbus7253]

18:20 I completely agree malenia didn’t even end beating him in the end and ended in her retreat and him still having his great rune (malenia took advantage of the shattering and wanted to get everyone’s great runes obviously but this didn’t end well as she had to be carried back to the haligtree by a clean rot knight and passed into a coma which is why in the cut scene she’s sleeping) although it costed him his sanity he won in the end, this is kinda cool it ended like that tho because radahn seems so unique and is my fav demigod.

[@jakobos93]

I keep wondering how the death of Godwyn seems so insignificant in the eyes of the other demigods as well as Rannis betrayal of kinslaying. She should be hunted down and tortured for eternity for her crimes, as well as introducing a way to kill gods into the setting. She kickstarted in a way the Shattering, supposedly. How is she allowed to exist?

[@TheMachine_CB]

I believe they think she's dead, seeing as she's going around in a puppet body called Renna

[@andyknightwarden9746]

Ranni was not the only one who plotted the night of black knives. The black knife assassins were commanded by Queen Marika herself. For another thing, Godrick is, as is told to us, only distantly related to Queen Marika. You can find another of Godwyn's descendants in an Evergaol on the Altus Plateau. His name is Godefroy, which is pronounced exactly like Godfrey. And his title is also 'the grafted'. It's basically Godrick phase 1 all over again. But yes all of Godwin's descendants save for Godrick are dead by the time we awaken.

[@MrJpc1234]

One thing of note is that it seems Rannibis the only that seems to have been successful in pursuing her goals (or at least does in one of the endings)

[@umarsong8362]

When we fight Malenia, she blooms a 3rd time not a 2nd time. The room just before her boss fight has a scarlet rot bloom which is evidence that she bloomed again after Caelid. Which is why I think she becomes the Goddess of Rot when we fight her.

[@nieralyte6531]

I think godrick might the great grandson of godfrey, considering godefroy the grafted is referenced in the ancient knight kristoff ash and he waits in an evergaol called the "golden lineage evergaol", and perhaps godefroy created the art of grafting and was imprisoned for it by kristoff after teaching it to godrick, or maybe he left behind notes on grafting that godrick found in order to grow in stronger. Extra: there isn't really any referance as far as I know to anyone who is the direct son of godwyn which is why I think godefroy is the son of godwyn, since he created the art of grafting and was imprisoned for it maybe he was wiped from the records like the nameless king was in ds3.

[@martinpoletti7845]

7:51 "best great rune" is the best for low level since then 5 points in a stat you already reaches a softcap is meh... but I guess it fits Godrick since is good on weak characters

[@actualreplyguy]

At endgame is only useful for reaching 37 int to unlock Goldmask ending, without rebirth :)

[@Blandy8521]

Yeah I tend to use Morgott's great rune

[@diandrea4]

Sinclair Lore & Sophie propose that Marika & Radagon had the twins before they fused. They grew up, were given runes then the shattering happened. Something like that.. awesome vid dude!

[@inabyss]

I don't know but this whole tale, it's tragic, sad, powerful, yet never satisfying in the sense that all these tragedies, pain they bore and most of them had a noble reason. Ultimately their paths tore them. Tragically Beautiful

[@chocvanswirlx_o]

Love listening to your videos while I work. Elden Ring has drawn me in like Skyrim did back in its day. I remember even going to GameStop for the midnight release… the lore of the game is captivating, to say the least. Thank you for delivering it to us so well.

[@hilde7008]

The demigods we end up fighting are most probably the ones who lasted the longest, while many others died. That's why the mausoleums are carrying the remains of other demigods, children of Marika who were not strong/cunning enough to survive. Who knows how many names and figures who used to be mighty and important were finally forgotten. Just shows how good Fromsoft are at worldbuilding. It makes sense we cannot find out everything about the world and there remain secrets and stories we'll never know about. ... please, can we get a book about the backstory from Miyazaki and Martin.

[@Tyler-hw9nz]

If you travel West from the impassible great bridge grace site you’ll come across one of those sword monuments. The big sword lore reads something along the lines of the reason Radahn held back the stars was to protect Sellia. I believe Sellia was where Radahn learned his gravity magic, and the lake of rot where he fought Melania to a standstill is just west of there. The monuments do not state what Radahn was protecting Sellia from…. so more questions.

[@kevinfortsch]

I feel like "heart of aonia" is where she nuked him.

[@Tyler-hw9nz]

@@kevinfortsch you’re right, I misspoke. I refer to that lake as the lake of rot, but that’s the place I meant, and if you look at the map, it’s just west of Sellia.