Chair Expert Reacts: JayzTwoCents Needs a New Chair??

[@leryeo]

I think he will always find it hard because he is like 6'3, 6'4 and I own embody and leap and prefer the leap. Sat in many chairs and always preferred the leap. Jay should make a Lamia as that is end goal chair!

[@Ahnestly]

From a google search, he's actually 5'11, but who knows! At 5'11...almost every chair will fit him. I think he wants a headrest though.

[@superplusextra9634]

From the first video he made, Jay mention his height being 6'4 at 6:59 mark. FYI

[@Ahnestly]

Damn the internet. Google says 5’11 lol

[@steveshin820]

@@Ahnestly Google is not reliable. They've been making the search engine worse and worse over the several years.

[@fuhrab]

I saw Jay's video and immediately thought of you. I bought my Embody after watching numerous reviews but yours pushed me into the decision. I don't regret it.

[@aarong2374]

Bought an Embody 10 years ago and it's still going hard. Surprised how much they cost today with a much more limited option of colors.

[@zeus3freedom]

Bought a regular Embody made post 2021 when they started adding more padding to the seat and backrest (confirmed by a HM representative I've talked to, prior buying it). I love everything about the chair, using mostly for work and also for gaming. Best decision and investment I've ever made! I can't recommend it enough!

[@IndigoVikingTV]

I was just thinking the other day when I was cleaning my office, how well built my Herman Miller Embody Gaming chair is. The design has so much thought put into it, things you wouldn't notice at first glance. The bottom chair base (where the wheels go into) is designed where the top is a pyramid shape, which makes it so that dust and debris doesn't build up on it where other chairs are flat and it builds up dust. I have never been so happy with a chair, in terms of comfort, build quality, durability and design.

[@droomagon]

except for the arms for the stupid clonking noise whenever it comes in and out, and it will broke over time, because my friend's embody has already broken down twice, and yes i said twice

[@ProNerdy]

Great video analysis, when I watched Jay's vid the day it came out I also noticed them using the headrests "wrong" and that he got the details wrong about the Embody chairs. I don't know if you take video recommendations, but I would love to see you make a video reviewing banana chairs.

[@Ahnestly]

First of all, WTF!? Thank you!!! Second, I have never wanted to know more what a thing is than just now. What is a banana chair? I've gotten like 5 different types of chairs (including a banana throne....which I hope is what you mean by banana chair)

[@ProNerdy]

@Ahnestly To me a banana chair is a "rocking chair" that usually sits lower to the ground. They usually don't look like a banana, just have the general shape when you look at them from the side.

[@Ahnestly]

@ProNerdy any specific one you know that has a lot of curiosity / reviews around it?

[@ProNerdy]

@@Ahnestly No I don't know any in particular, I bought a cheap less then $100 about 6 years ago from my local furniture store and it hasn't held up the greatest with it's cheap "leather" peeling away and the cushion bottoming out. The one I got is from a company called "Gone Bananas"

[@zeus3freedom]

I've bought an Embody, regular version, but first I've confirmed with a HM representative and he said that starting 2021 or so, they started adding more padding on the regular version. Now mine is white frame with Carbon Balance fabric and it feels really great and super comfortable, I love it, not feeling a thing in the backrest or through the seat padding (I've seen in some videos that some people feel the springs, but on my side this issue never occurred and I sit over 10 hours per day in it and I'm quite a heavy person). Best chair I've ever owned!

[@Ahnestly]

Hey! The padding is in the seat cushion only. Called a scrim layer. The embody I tested my gaming vs non gaming version was a post 2021 chair!

[@Ahnestly]

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[@jaydensydes3478]

all these chairs are over 3k now in australia i just can't fathom it. i bought my embody for 2k and it's very comfortable but with how much it squeaks, creaks, wobbles, and rattles, 3k would be an absolute scam.

[@albertko1]

The only issue I have with HermanMiller is that MillerKnoll (the parent company for the brand) is still run by CEO of "Pity City." I'd rather give my money to Steelcase or Haworth or just buy refurbished.

[@freedonx]

Lol and if you think other companies aren't the same lol Utopia thinking. What's wrong with pity city? Many companies are firing employees who aren't giving results.

[@comgeturs]

HM are greedy scumbags. All the signs are there. They're like the apple of the chair world.

[@Monokai]

I bought a HM Gaming Embody about 2 years ago mostly based on your videos on reviewing chairs and can easily say it's the best chair I've ever owned. Seeing Jay's video on the Steelcase... yeah honestly if I was one of the people who bought one of those based on his recommendations and now seeing this video by him, I'd be pretty furious and probably not trust his opinion again, especially seeing how much money he made from that partnership. Really glad I found you especially when you put your own money on the line to review all those chairs. Keep up the great work.

[@roadkill11000]

I bought my Gesture with headrest after lots of research and your videos. I watched Jay's video and was literally shocked at the condition of their chairs. I am also size "fat" and my chair is still like new, so it makes me wonder what the hell they were doing to those chairs?! My only complaint is I wanted more cushion so I added a gel cushion to catch the booty juices. My chronic back pain has gone away since I got this chair. Love it.

[@droomagon]

it depends on the user of the chair, if you have been watching Jay for the past few years, he isn't sort of a person who is gentle with things (except PC stuff and components), even with his car he isn't particularly gentle with them either, so with that mentality, his "fat" just sit on the chair day in and day out, its bound wear itself out pretty quick, but i give credit to that gas cylinder didn't explode though

[@roadkill11000]

@@droomagon For sure. I watch all Jayz stuff. Watching the RTFM show right now. I always see him treat his tools and components with care except when he is intentionally testing durability. So it was surprising to me to see his chairs in such bad shape especially when I have the same chair that I use all day every day and is still in great shape. Specifically got the Gesture for the ratings and reputation of Steel Case, and I am a big guy too. The crossover between JayzTwoCents and Ahnestly is kinda funny tho!

[@droomagon]

@roadkill11000 indeed, but I do agree gesture headrest needs redesign when v2 comes

[@Ahnestly]

Before I was ahnestly the chair guy, I was ahnestly the tech tuber, so I watch all the tech tubers. Used to watch jay a lot and had him in the back of my mind if/when I decided to make a custom loop pc. That day never came due to cost (I wouldn’t want a “good enough” loop…I’d want mine to be like highest quality brass / crazy glass loop lol) / me knowing I have 3 left hands. KZbin also shared that viewers who watch me also watch him, so thought it would be a cool last minute idea. We filmed this past Wednesday with my off the cuff take (that’s why my opinions are pretty rough /unrefined lol) and released today!

[@roadkill11000]

@@Ahnestly Right on! I build my custom loop because of Jay. I had never seen anything like it before and knew right away I had to do it. I started with a Corsair kit. Learned a lot but hated their stuff. Ended up going with EK and Alpha Cool components. I really love the looks, but coolant change time is a lot of work.

[@MrCubiccon]

Will there be a Backforce Plus Chair review ? I would really like to hear your Ahnest opinion about it. 😉

[@Eskoxo]

Bought HM Embody brand new on ebay for $900 with no warranty still going strong after 6 years.

[@bassplayer2011ify]

I bought an HM Ebody gaming a few years ago. My one and only grip is I wish it had more lumbar support.

[@neilquinn]

Which chair do you think the most people would have no problem with if you had to buy just one for an office? Amia?

[@Ahnestly]

for an office? yeah I think the Amia is the most office-y chair ever. Fairly simple adjustments, great cushion.

[@formulaic78]

I actually watched Jayz video before this. While watching I commented something like " why is he complaining if he hasn't used his warranty and seen what Steelcase say about his issues". I also think you make an excellent observation about them essentially using the headrests incorrectly. I probably would be doing the same with my atlas headrest if I hadn't watched your videos.

[@viscuro]

Thx. What kind of chair are you using now?

[@Ahnestly]

every different kind of chair on earth....I test them almost every other week! But I have a few favorites. Anthros for proper sitting (my posture is so bad) Fern with digitial knit back (sitting on it right now when I WFH and love it so much). Gaming Embody - My overall rounder. It lets me slouch in it too easily though...but that's why I love it lol

[@Etb323]

11:24 I also agree with Jay about Steelseries long term quality. Where I work everything used to be Herman. The chairs are still ok and are pretty usable. However, they refreshed some spades with Steelseries and after a year, there were several chairs with issues with the recliner, arms, the desk dividers started falling apart. That's why I bought Herman for my personal chair.

[@whocares0503]

Makes me happy I have an Embody with an Atlas headrest. There are pricer chairs, just don't care... I love using Affirm payments too... And yes I used your links...

[@ineffable9777]

I own the regular embody with medley fabric. I got it from an authorized HM dealer so it costed drastically less than from anywhere else. They only had the option of buying the charcoal medley version, although it has the carpet and hard floor casters. I think I like the grey medley anyways, but I wanted to comment that yes, the embody is an incredible chair, and you should definitely try it out somewhere if you’re considering a high - end chair! Get it from an authorized dealer if you can! It costed half as much as anywhere else I could find brand new!!

[@awill891]

Went to LA for a concert and the next day I was looking to buy a used Herman Miller Aeron on OfferUp, Marketplace or thrift shop. The first thrift shop I went to had a Steelcase Gesture for $45!! The only thing wrong is the bottom seat fabric was worn down and had small holes. I didn't end up finding anything in other shops and traveled back home to my desolate small rural town with no chair. Regret not picking up the Steelcase and just buying a seat cover for it.

[@andreasels779]

I use a Steelcase Gesture for around 5 years now (for 40+ hours a week) and while I am generally really happy with it and don't regret the purchase at all, you have to admit, that it tends to do some squeeking noises when you move in certain ways. How loud and often it squeeks, seems to depend on the room temperature and/or humidity from my experience. My chair also had a failure of the tilt mechanism, which resulted in really loud cracks when leaning back (started after around 1 year of use). This however was fixed under warranty no problem and I got a replacement chair from my retailer during the time it was away for repair. I don't have any problems with the headrest, but I also don't use it as often and when I do, it's in the way you are describing as the intended way.

[@skrabio]

Embody with Atlas headrest is the peak of Mount Everest for chairs.

[@DogiTheWallcrusher]

I have a freak long torso so I can't use any headrests. Got a karman recently but I'm not enjoying it at all. Doesn't help that one of the armrests came broken, but I also just don't like the 4D thing they designed. I get the idea but give me a way to lock it in place

[@krich106]

Fun fact. Regular embody now costs more than the gaming embody.

[@Ahnestly]

Correct! And I keep hearing from people that HM tells them the non-gaming Embodys are custom made...and I just tell them yeah...probably because more people buy the gaming than the non-gaming and they don't want a bunch of inventory just sitting there...

[@HappyStupendous]

The gaming embody has the copper infused cooling foam, and sometime around 2020 the normal embody got an upgraded foam padding that wasn't there before. This was the main reason I purchased the normal embody over the nicer looking gaming version.

[@Ahnestly]

Hey! So that happened in 2021 and it was to the seat (added a scrim layer). My non gaming embody is a late 2023 model and my gaming was from 2020ish!

[@HappyStupendous]

@@Ahnestly I see, thanks for the reply!

[@weirdodude1173]

I have an Embody, a newer office one. And it's not as great as the internet makes it out to be. It was very loud when I first got it and I had to lube the heck out of the seat suspension rails to quiet it down. The backrest does not conform to the back as well as some non-adjustable chairs with natural curves do. I would caution anyone to be prepared to return it within 30 days if they aren't totally happy with it or they could get stuck with a too-expensive chair that is not as comfortable as ones half its price.

[@Ahnestly]

Different chairs for different folks! I can only speak to the 10 or so people who’ve been in my studio who think the embody is incredible and the best chair (esp when paired to atlas headrest). But they all preferred the gaming version bc of the thicker padding!

[@Kelekona_808]

Thought of you as soon as I saw Jay's thumbnail. It would be cool if you guys could work together on chair reviews occasionally to get the opinion of someone of his dimensions.

[@Ahnestly]

I’ve got some big plans in the future!

[@bbbo85]

isn't Leap way older than Gesture? 4:25 got me confused for a moment

[@Ahnestly]

I Should have been more clear! Spoke off the cuff so didn’t really plan everything out. I can’t find historical docs on when the headrest came to the leap, but I think the leap headrest generally sucked and I think they may have tried their hand at a real headrest on the gesture. But maybe people reported headrests breaking down too much to actually try their hand at another one? I asked about headrests when they launched their newest chairs and they just gave me a “yeahh..haha”.

[@msolace580]

i wish there was an option to go someplace and test chairs in my area. at best you find some resellers, i shudder at buying a embody before sitting in it, aeron was not pleasurable the seat sides dug into my legs. and nobody wants that after leg day.

[@Ahnestly]

you could always fly out to PA and hang with me! :-D

[@ei..]

There actually is copper infused in the logitech embody. But it's in the foam, not the fabric. You can read about it on the logitech website

[@Ahnestly]

Yup!

[@Etb323]

10:03 he's right about the gaming embody having this stuff to keep it cooler. It's in the FAQ as well as the extra cushion. Also I remember reading about it having copper when I was researching it before buying.

[@Ahnestly]

Hey! Never said the cooling stuff isn’t correct, but he said the non gaming had extra padding and a thicker fabric. Check out my comparison video!

[@spencechan]

I wouldn't say that I've been convinced that 5/5 Gestures will fail in some way. What I *have* been convinced of is that the JayzTwoBrainCells crew can break 5/5 Gestures

[@Romoredux]

I got my Embody based on your "Reviews". I'm a tall guy "Freak" (6 foot 4 inches tall), and this chair has treated me well for the past 2ish years. EDIT: The Atlas headset is VERY NICE for tall freaks also!

[@Ahnestly]

Hahaha you are the one confusing all my data points! Out of curiousity, how do you use your headrest? Crook of neck? Back of head? As shoulder cushion?

[@samuelbaird4983]

​@@Ahnestly I also tried the gesture and the embody, and I'm 6'2" but all torso. I didn't like the gesture at all, but really liked the embody. The gesture wasn't really able to conform to / support my upper back like I wanted.

[@Ahnestly]

@@samuelbaird4983 Man that's so interesting. I'm 5'6 and I don't have torso or legs..I think my neck is freakishly long. Gesture did not fit me right either, but for those it does, they love it. My friend (6'1) bought a headrest gesture and my other friend (5'6) loved the gesture.

[@ei..]

I have a gesture at work. It's from before i started, so not sure how old it is, but it has most of the same issues. It creaks a lot, and the headrest is very floppy. We tried getting it covered by the warranty, but due to being in a country where steelcase no longer sells chairs officially, we would have to pay for shipping both ways which ends up at around €300. Edit: I dont know who used it before, but it wasn't creaking when i started. I'm about 60kg, so my weight should not be an issue. I slouch a lot, and put my weight on the backrest, but again, at my weight it shouldn't be a problem

[@Ahnestly]

So if you were to make the video Jay made, I think my conclusion would be yes, absolutely do not buy a Gesture and/or avoid Steelcase. You paid that extra money for insurance, and never got it so screw Steelcase, go buy something else.

[@BRSxIgnition]

Hated my Steelcase Gesture that I used for a week. The lumbar support was painful and the seat pan was a swamp within the day. Greatly prefer my current HM Cosm.

[@Ahnestly]

The gesture did not fit me well either, but my other friends who test my chairs when they drop by the studio really like it. The gaming embody was still their #1 choice. Ironically, I really can’t stand my Cosm…I paid $2k and it’s effing beautiful, but it hurts my back after 1-2 hours

[@The1astGuardian]

Unrelated but thanks to this channel I've purchased my second nouhaus ergo 3d. First one still going strong 💪

[@The1astGuardian]

Not paid commenter I swear lmao

[@thedr8993]

Minor thing when Jay is comparing the gaming to the regular embody, in his first point he's saying the seat pan has more cushion in the regular embody, and the Logitech embody has the "cooling" seat pan. He wasn't talking about the back rest

[@Ahnestly]

Both are not true (seat and back are more cushioned based on my tests). Check out the comparison video if you have a few minutes! I’d link it for you but I’m on mobile right now

[@keblin86]

You really love the embody, but are you using that as your main chair right now? I get the impression your not? lol. If so howcome? It's just gone on sale and I told myself next time it does I am buying it. Going to try decide tomorrow. I've wanted to try it for so long! lol

[@Ahnestly]

sorry! thought I responded. I test a chair almost every other week, so I am barely sitting in the same chair. One of the pros and cons of my profession! I will say that when I'm Working from home, I'm sitting in a Haworth Fern digital knit (love this thing) since my wife stole my non-gaming Embody. At my studio, when I'm able to grab it, I grab the gaming Embody, Haworth Breck, or Anthros chair depending on what I'm looking for that day. Just depends on what my needs are. Gaming Embody - when I want to work and lounge, my go-to, esp with the Atlas headrest. Haworth Breck - I'm loving this thing..my butt feels so good in it. Not the best built chair, but super breathable and great seat experience for not much money. Anthros chair - my posture sucks in chairs so when I know I need to sit healthier, I grab this. Hope this essay helped...lol.

[@keblin86]

@@Ahnestly Thanks, well I slept on it and decided to finally take the plunge. This morning (before your message) I ordered the Embody, I can't wait!! Hope I like it. I would love to try the Anthros and Fern too but living in the UK we get shafted lol. Hopefully Anthros eventually do their free returns for us UK folk but as of right now they don't so that was the deal breaker for me with that one. I Love a lot about that chair but for now I shall try the Embody. Thank you for the reply and your videos. They are always great

[@Ahnestly]

@ awesome!! Hope you were able to use my link!! Helps the channel a LOT! And hope you love the chair!

[@keblin86]

@@Ahnestly Ah sorry I did not as I used TopCashback in hopes of saving another £40 and I didn't know how to do that with your link as I have to be directed from TopCashBack. I think it might of broke things then too as cashback sites can be very weird! I do link to you and talk to my friends about your channel though so hopefully that helps!

[@Adam4]

If we're talking nerdy differences between the Embodys then: - Gaming Embodys obviously have a design on the sync fabric for the backrest that makes it not flat. - Gaming Embodys have an extra strip of foam that runs down the center of the backrest, this strip is about 15cm wide. - Gaming Embodys have a layer of "copper-infused cooling foam" under the sync fabric on the seat. Also worth noting that sometime in 2021 Herman Miller addressed an issue where this foam did not extend far enough to cover the area of the seat that can be extended, so taller folks who pulled the seat out would feel there was no foam at the edge of the seat. It's unclear when the cutoff date for this is, but it's sometime in 2021. - Regular Embodys made after ~Feb 2021 instead have a layer of scrim foam under the seat to give them a similar level of cushion as the gaming variant. Prior to this date the sync fabric interfaced directly with the pixel structure on the non-gaming. Everything else outside of trivial things like colors is pretty much hearsay and hasn't been demonstrated by stripping a chair down.

[@Ahnestly]

I didn't want to comment on all the nitty gritty so as not to lose people, but love this!

[@Adam4]

@@Ahnestly For sure, definitely overboard for the video.

[@IStratz]

One of the comments on Jay's videos said that apparently the newer version of the regular embody has updated to the same thicker padding that is used on the gaming version because of its reception. I have no idea how true that is, but just thought I would point it out.

[@Ahnestly]

The Embody I bought and compared is a 2024 chair. I didn't want to get into all the nerdy stuff, but the regular Embodys were updated in 2021. However, it wasn't the backrest that got an upgrade - the seat cushions on the Non Gaming got the upgrade (basically it didn't have a foam layer called "scrim", and they added it)

[@IStratz]

@@Ahnestly Ahhh okay. So the backrest is still thinner on the regular version. Yeah not sure where Jay got that info from then, cause from every review I have seen people say the gaming version is better lol. Hopefully he can put that Herman Miller return policy to use and change it out for the gaming version instead.

[@Ahnestly]

lolll my tinfoil hat theory, which I realized after I recorded, was that he probably heard that BS from a local Herman Miller rep. I believe Herman Miller won't let their gaming chairs be sold by local stores, which means the stores have all the incentive in the world to sell you a non-gaming one.

[@IStratz]

@@Ahnestly Yeah they didn't have any gaming versions of their chairs at the store on display in Austin, Texas. That would make sense. Can't trust anyone nowadays it's wild

[@Jodah175]

At 1700 dollars for a freakin chair, that thing better never break. Ever.

[@nykz2358]

5:09 HE SAID THE THING

[@bonanzabrandon6877]

Jay is dumb. Saying that the warranty is "irrelevant" is silly. Use the warranty, get your chair(s) fixed. It's actually that simple.

[@Xiaowahh]

On a unrelated note....Did you see the Atlas released the Headrest for Embody Gaming chair for Amethyst 👀

[@Ahnestly]

This is news to me…and I may buy another gaming embody because of this…people have told me their gaming embodys (newer than mine) don’t squeak, so I’m thinking HM changed something about the gaming embodys. Ughhhh do I do it?!?! Do I really need 5 effing embodys?!?!

[@jackboxer7537]

JayZ needs to try the ergoCentric sCentric Hybrid. Better headrest, more adjustability, and same warranty as the Embody, plus free returns via Staples.

[@SomeFrenchDude]

For some reason, none of the chair reviewers want to buy this chair. I asked BTOD and they had no interest.

[@Ahnestly]

That might have to do more with the ability to get the views on the video

[@ObeyaCorpsArmory]

i think the steelcase gesture is well made but its not comfortable at all. I wish I couldve bought a herman miller instead at the time (pandemic)

[@droomagon]

you probably have bad posture to start with, but then again some people whom are too short also doesn't fit into the gesture category, its mostly about the seat imo, i find it pretty comfy, just the price tag, damn!

[@huycao100]

did you get a perm/curl? it's a good look my man 🙏

[@Ahnestly]

Thank you!! My wife’s not a fan…

[@NyteStalker89]

My two cents.. Jay throws his weight into his chairs. He even says as much. I don't care what chair you get. Someone his height and weight that just yeets themselves into a chair, is going to eventually get pops and creaking when sitting in it. They are designed for a specific max weight.. yeeting into it day after day is going to push the chair beyond that limit.

[@Kelekona_808]

LOL at people yeeting themselves into chairs. I'm sure that would be a hilarious video or series of videos.

[@Ahnestly]

man i love that word "yeeting". Now I just need to feel young and hip enough to use it...

[@droomagon]

@@Ahnestly omg can you imagine someone about 350lbs and yeeting into a chair? momentum+weight+gravity? holy yeet! no chair can withstand that kind of abuse in less than 3yrs, or maybe even 2

[@NyteStalker89]

@@Kelekona_808 2025 Chair Yeetlympics!

[@NyteStalker89]

@@Ahnestly I'm 35 and lie too myself that I'm both of those enough to use it :D

[@TheCasualSubculturist]

Thanks to your recommendation, I am using Embody with Atlas Headrest... so I don't have to suffer these issues. This just look like poorly made chair, just like how they treat potential buyers. NYC showcase center ignored my call for three day straight, so couldn't even go there.

[@Golemslord]

Waiting for the secret lab titan evo nanogen review 😀

[@Ahnestly]

Had no idea it even released! I'll talk to Secretlab and see if I can get it in!

[@RVDL]

I like this video format. Sort of like musicians reacting to music video's. But then in Ahnestly's niche.

[@Ahnestly]

Would you like to see more videos like this? I wish KZbin would have a feedback system for this!

[@RVDL]

@ yes! It’s sort of the video equivalent of Community Notes on X. Giving useful context on what others share. And, ahmestly, it’s entertaining (pun intended 😬)

[@mead5185]

in my opinion youtubers like this guy love to be insanely overdramatic and piss their pants about everything for views and i just think its super boring and stupid. woah if you use the headrest wrong itll break?? i can't believe this... i like your videos because you are extremely calm and balanced and chill and you never make a massive spectacle out of anything and i respect that.

[@fuhrab]

That's not fair to Jay. He's a tech guy not a chair guy. He also doesn't "piss his pants" about everything. Please watch content from the person in question before presenting an opinion. Thanks.

[@CL_Stinson]

Hey Dan! After watching your recommendation, i feel that the HM Embody feels like the right chair for me, however there is this chair called the Kokuyo Duora that i really love the backrest (like i feel it is even better than the SC Leap and Gesture), do you mind reviewing this chair and make some comparisons with the other flagship chairs on the other aspects?

[@Ahnestly]

Hey! I doubt I'll be able to pick up that chair as I keep getting errors when trying to purchase and just not enough interest to justify spending that much on a video unfortunately...

[@SomeFrenchDude]

They could simply use aluminum instead of plastic crap. Would fix the issue. But nah, can't do that on a 2k chair.

[@Ahnestly]

Aluminum frame is always great. To maintain the flexibility, I think they'd have to incorporate some plastic though.

[@Ottobon]

I'm sitting in a chair you reviewed rn, why don't you have Jay money? The world kinda stinky sometimes

[@Ahnestly]

@@Ottobon hahahaha appreciate you!

[@venom5809]

Steelcase are dumb. I love the headrest on my Humanscale Freedom and I will never buy another chair without one. Ironically I use it both ways, the correct way and also with it against the back of my head. Got rid of my Embody for the Freedom and never been happier. Like I have said before, a Steelcase Leap with Gesture arms and headrest it would be a killer chair, I would buy one in a heartbeat and for full price. For now I will happily sit in my Freedom. I finally am happy with a chair and not actively searching for my next one.

[@droomagon]

every company has their own short comings, no company is perfect wouldn't you agree? i've tried the freedom chair and i don't like how it pushes your head/neck forward when you are leaning back, its a personal pref, but i don't like it at all, also the seat padding seems a little thin to me, but arms are extremely easy to adjust, but nowhere near the flexibility/adjustability as LEAP

[@venom5809]

@@droomagon I don't disagree with you, that's why I said a Leap with a headrest like that and the Gesture 4D arms would be elite. The Freedom padding is definitely thin and I wish it had the solid build quality of my Steelcase, Herman Miller or Haworth chairs but it works. I am sitting on it right now and even though the padding on it is thin it kind of works. I still have a Leap and a Haworth Improve HE from the 90's and those things are tanks, the fabric and padding so much better too. I would kill for a Leap with a Freedom headrest and Gesture 4D arms, full price with no hesitation. I had a love/hate relationship with my Embody and had pure hate for my Haworth Fern. I find the Zody much nicer. If you kind of slouch in the Freedom it kicks the back back more than normal and is kind of comfortable for watching TV. You can't always replicate it but it will do it. I also have a fabric Freedom which I suspect is more comfortable than a leather one, my Fern was leather and I just hated it.

[@mileskt9232]

I hated the gesture sold it immediately

[@Jaxs3003]

Plain and simple...He treats his chair like Shit. I hate that guy

[@krypt]

hair is looking great bro, looking good keep it up

[@Ahnestly]

Thanks!! lol my wife doesn't like it, but I'm loving it. Just tryna trick you all into thinking I'm young to extend my KZbin career 😂😂

[@chromastrophe]

​@@Ahnestly u will never grow old king

[@mexifry222]

infomercial

[@Ahnestly]

haha am i on crazy pills? Only his chair was having issues beyond the headrest...in the original video, his employee tried to tell him multiple times his chair was fine other than the headrest...

[@MichaelMariscal]

I feel like talking about his financials was bad taste. disapointing beghavior to see.

[@Ahnestly]

I could see where you’re coming from if I said it in a negative context, but it was just a matter of fact / interesting point. It may be a surprise to some, but he has 4M subscribers and KZbinrs talk about money quite often, so many people know that that number is par for the course.

[@joshuahensley9395]

If it made you feel uncomfortable, its just a self report. Maybe some self reflection instead of being upset at him.

[@Haru_no_ki]

Tbh when I pay premium for a product, I expect to not use the warranty because... its a quality product. If it costs 2k euros for a chair and it breaks down after one month you bet I will want a refund and not a warranty repair. Just got the ikea Järvfjället for 170 euros and saving up for a gaming embody blind buy, hope it lives up to the hype of the 2k euros price point in my country.

[@Ahnestly]

I guess maybe I'm too into the chair world now, because that $2k price is NOT for the product. The product prob costs like $300-500, and most companies spend $1,500 is on marketing + profits. But there are a few companies out there where the $1,500 is also focused on after purchase / customer support, and I've had personal experiences with Herman Miller, Steelcase, and Humanscale and all their customer service experiences were excellent (either people came to my house or they shipped me a box and I just rolled my chair in, and someone came and picked it up to get fixed).

[@groto27]

Jay is my favorite tech channel

[@nickpeterson9896]

Remove booty juices from your lingo please

[@ElfDestruct]

Gesture seat foam bottoms out below 250 lbs, the recline tilt ratio is very minimal, and the PTFE on plastic sliding hinge accumulates dirt and then starts squealing (dish soap will fix the moaning but that's ridiculous). Gesture is tremendously overrated and doesn't even begin to hold a candle to the Embody.

[@putzmann]

1st

[@RandallLind]

You should rename video I hate JayTwoCents. They guy is saying what is issue is and you are defending the chair makers.

[@Ahnestly]

Hmm..I thought I was being really fair to both sides. What do you think was me being unfair or biased against Jay?

[@RandallLind]

@Ahnestly it just seemed to me every time he said something bad about the chair you clap back at him. Not everybody's going to have a positive experience with a product. My Andaseat cushion is all ripped up from sitting on it plus my dog puts his paws on it. I paid $500 a year ago for it. Would I buy a new one? Yes I would and I'm not blaming the company for it. I could also just get matching leather and stick it over my seat which I thought of.

[@Ahnestly]

I could be wrong, but I agreed with him about the headrests being a real and serious issue. I agreed that squeaks and pops weren’t okay either. But the squeaks and pops only happened to his chair(s). If you watch the original video, his editor tries to tell him multiple times that his chair is ok and the other guy only talks about his headrest being missing, so no clapping back, just operating off the info provided

[@Kurskayaduga]

was first to comment his video with recommendation for your channel