Ahsoka is Neither Terrible nor a Masterpiece

A review/video essay of season 1 of the new Star Wars show Ahsoka. I go into the many flaws and strengths about the show and why it's primarily decent. Former Jedi knight Ahsoka Tano investigates an emerging threat to a vulnerable galaxy.
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[@enricllorcamendoza7664]

The truth is that Ahsoka's writing problems are usually present in most of Filoni's work. it's just that in animation (and in the childish nature of most of rebels) this is overlooked. The other main problem is that Filoni is not as prepared to handle live action as he is with animation

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Here he is at his worst.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

didn't rebels have a team of writers? including others who are better at writing than Filoni? Clone Wars also had better writing

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

​@@Ar1AnX1xFiloni directed the Clone Wars, but the head writers were Henry Gilroy, Steven Melching and Scott Murphy. Meanwhile, Filoni was in the writer's room for Rebels, though Scott Murphy did return as well.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 this is kinda like the Sopranos, the main guy for Sopranos(the guy who created it)was David Chase and everybody gave most of the credit for the success to him, meanwhile they had a team of amazing writers whom all were successful writers on their own and when Chase wrote his own movie people realized he's not that great of a writer its the same here, a lot of people gave most of the credit to Filoni even though there was a whole team behind it, I'd argue those people are probably more of reason for its success than Filoni

[@thedemonhater7748]

@@Ar1AnX1xlooking back, yeah, the issues Ahsoka has are present in a lot of his work, though I’d argue it’s way more severe in this case. The character moments and decision making seem totally incoherent.

[@Blitzo8390]

Man, one thing I hate about the show is how Ray Stevenson will never get to see how much love his character and performance is getting

[@proteus5340]

😢

[@marcusclark1339]

honestly he was fine but he didn't DO anything to be so liked, he said nothing in actuality if u really think on his dialogue and isn't even the "main bad" cause he's bossed around by girl boss who does nothing and thrawn literally doesn't care - he's just there

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I don't think this show is terrible but there's something so weird about how Ahsoka was so much more interesting in the Clone Wars and Rebels than she is in her own show, her relationship with Anakin was so much more natural and alive in the Clone Wars than in this, and she had a lot more personality in that as well

[@achaudhari101]

I don’t see the problem with her relationship with Anakin in this show.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

@@achaudhari101 not much of a problem necessarily but I like the characters in the animations better I thought episode 5 was kinda good

[@marloncebo242]

It's because of KK's influence and Disney in general. Thrawn was poorly done here too.

[@dancingvalkyrie]

So it IS terrible

[@achaudhari101]

@@marloncebo242 Thrawn wasn't poorly done like that.

[@bambi_het_gevaarlijke_hert5150]

The worst thing about the show for me was how they showed relationships between the characters for example how ezra acted when he saw sabine, my dude was stranded in a different galaxy for years and the only people he knows/ can understand are trying to kill him and then when he finally sees not only a person he knows from his home but his goddamn sister/crush (idk) he acts like she found him in a big hide and seek game.

[@miguelrosado6348]

Yeah, I remember feeling that their rencounter didn't felt emotionally believable. She basically risked her life to find someone who she wasn't sure was alive and when they meet there is no big hug, no kiss, no fight, no tears, nothing?

[@manz7860]

Reminds me of seeing a coworker after a few days off They shouldve just went all in on the romance. F it. I'm not a fan of it usually but it would've added depth in this situation. At least I'd be able to see sabines temptation

[@marcusclark1339]

cause they aren't allowed to show attraction to each other, modern politics girl and guys actually running up, hugging or even kissing is wrong think, seems crazy yet it is

[@Luc9986-Gaming]

People get chills over the Anakin scenes not because of a love of star wars, but because of nostalgia and love for the old star wars. Many of us grew up watching Hayden Christensen as Anakin in the prequels, seeing him reprise his role as the chosen one in such a glorious way is why those scenes are the highlight of Ahsoka. I'm glad I watched it, it was alright and I agree with you about everything else, but the *reason* I watched it was because I'd seen spoilers of the Anakin cameos.

[@nunouno001]

Nostalgia must be one heck of a drug, because I never liked Hayden Christensen as Anakin and I still don’t. Please keep in mind, it wasn’t his fault, it was George Lucas who gave him bad direction and awful dialogue. Hayden did his best, but there was no way to salvage that character. Most of the love Anakin get these days is thanks to Matt Lanter.

[@lorealiiiii]

nostalgia shouldn’t carry the shit writing the that get away with lol. bsfr i was a huge fan especially of the prequels and ahsoka and this just feels beyond flat lol

[@MoonWeasel23]

Another thing I’ll add that I’ve seen elsewhere. Dave Filoni seems to be the heir to Lucas in that, he has these interesting stories, characters and ideas, BUT leaving him alone to develop stuff doesn’t work out as well as it could. Just like how the prequels had a great overarching story with flashes of greatness, they also had huge issues with dialogue and character growth. Filoni probably has the potential to make one of the best Star Wars series/ films but that is only going to happen if the Disney execs force him to work with some competent writers who can talk him down from the worse aspects of his writing and direction. There’s a reason Clone Wars and Rebels are loved and hated. We love to remember the highs of each show, but we also tend to forget that a lot of the episodes are just flat out bad. That’s fine when you have 80 episodes to work with. It’s a huge gamble with 8 episodes or a single film.

[@ragingshibe]

Really good point. Whenever people say how absolutely brilliant Clone Wars is, they almost exclusively talk about to the Siege of Mandalore and a few other genuinely incredible arcs. Its kinda like how people say Up is an absolutely phenomenal Pixar movie, but usually base that almost entirely on the first 10 minutes.

[@heynowur9146]

@@ragingshibeayo a shiba, woof woof

[@luisn642]

@@ragingshibeI’d say there’s only one great clone wars arc in every season (except the first)

[@creationfied]

if the definition of interesting stories is injecting stuff from old myths and other genres all the time without coming up with much on your own

[@MoonWeasel23]

@@creationfied *Cough* Most of Clone Wars *Cough* Most of Rebels minus Thrawn

[@calebford6318]

Honest to god opinion, the actress who played Sabine felt like a theater kid. She made captain marvel look charismatic. Being smug and never showing emotion doesn’t make you a strong powerful woman.

[@KeybladeWielderXV]

It doesn't help that the way the character was handled in Ahsoka is such a downgrade from Rebels. The material she was given was pretty bland. I'm curious to see if she can do better if she were given a stronger script. The only time she got to be Sabine was her introduction scene. Everything after made her this one note, overconfident and smug prick.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

No one is acting in this show except for Ray Strevenson.

[@Michael-hc2vs]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8pI mean I’d argue Lars is too, doing his best with the writers attempt to dumb thrawn down

[@JCShadow0202]

Felt the same way, Star Wars isn’t exactly a soap opera but I expected a tearful reunion when she found him bc it’s been 10 years and Ezra was the last family she had; I expected it to be more a bittersweet moment bc she threw away the safety of the galaxy for this. Instead it felt more like high school friends who lost touch bumping into each other after a couple years.

[@JCShadow0202]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8pI’d argue young Ahsoka’s actress does a better job acting than Rosario’s acting of old Ahsoka

[@omariontheninetailsjenchur5908]

Ngl the lightsaber fight choreography is shitty, gotta love it when you start spinning in front of your enemy and they don't slash you in the back on top of ahsoka not killing baylon when she had countless opportunities to do so during their second fight

[@System-ly6de]

fr i had to pause the screen and rewatch Sabine clumsily fight enemies.... makes me wonder why Disney can't hire Asian stuntmen

[@moony7948]

spinning in front of your enemy has become a very common thing not just in star wars media but in sword fighting media as well. in the prequels all of the fights were dramatized with spins and turns that are 100% not effective at all. but also in other media such as game of thrones, where characters such as jon snow and arya stark are always spinning in their fights so it looks visually more appealing. i think the choreography was great in terms of visual aesthetic however in terms of practicality, ofc its a bit terrible.

[@lordporpoise8761]

I agree, but I'd argue it was also mostly better than any other live action lightsaber fight we've had since Disney bought the ip. It might be below what we want, but it's a step in the right direction at least?

[@moony7948]

@@lordporpoise8761 i agree too. i preferred this choreo (other than final episode, little bit dodgy in places) to the prequels and sequels. however, i do ultimately prefer how grounded the originals did it

[@uglahboi6074]

It’s always jarring to see characters that are supposed to be proficient at combat suck at fighting 😅. I get they want to add flair, but there are better ways to do it than having the character expose their back for a solid second while twirling

[@Jojob541]

The show completely destroyed Thrawn as a credible threat. "oh, they're down on the planet? Send in the two sacrificial fighters against the jedi, that'll definitely work out. Hmm, yes, they've been destroyed, just as expected, I am a master strategist. Okay, now that they're getting away, lets start shooting them with the big guns."

[@achaudhari101]

You don’t send everything at an opponent to waste resources.

[@grumpus5248]

​@@achaudhari101But he did waste resources.

[@Jojob541]

@@achaudhari101Fairly sure two TIEs are more expensive than a few shots from the big guns before they are on the weird dogs.

[@achaudhari101]

@@grumpus5248 That's why he has the Great Mothers and why he went to Dathomir to get 10x more.

[@idontgetit3245]

Thrawns goal was never to kill the heros though, he just wanted to leave. Sure he tried in the initial skirmish, but when Baylan left, Thrawn knew he was over matched. Thrawn isn't scary because he's powerful enough to just kill whoever he wants, he's scary because he's smart, and he only fights what he can win. Two Jedi and a semi-force sensitive Mandolorian are god damn dangerous and he knows that even if he can kill them, the resources he would lose might cripple his chances at the war he actually wants, so instead he wastes their time with tiny forces he can afford to lose. He's not inept, he's just thinking waaay ahead of this show.

[@grandengineernathan]

My main problem is how they butchered Hera, Sabine and Ahsoka. Hera goes from leader and admiral to being the most corrupt general in the galaxy. Sabine constantly has that arrogant smirk on her face and just seems dumb in general while in rebels she was the smartest of the group also why is she almost never wearing her helmet? And Ahsoka just doesn't have a personality and is just there to have some lightsaber fights. Like seriously, remove her from the show and it just removes some fights

[@thechunkmaster8794]

How the Hell is Hera now the most corrupt general in the galaxy? Her one sin is acting on a threat that the New Republic refused to acknowledge.

[@grandengineernathan]

@@thechunkmaster8794 the senators not wanting to do anything is dumb for no reason. But Hera is constantly pulling some strings and personal connections to go against orders. She also proceeds to bring a child to a warzone for no reason and gets two pilots killed. But she gets away with it because someone wanted a reference to leia and a c3po cameo

[@thechunkmaster8794]

@@grandengineernathan Hera isn't "constantly pulling strings" to pursue Elsbeth. Given that Leia was so dissatisfied with the New Republic's apathy towards the Imperial Remnant that she founded the Resistance, she likely had C-3PO intervene of her own volition. As for the deaths of the two pilots, they chose to go with Hera; they were well aware that they were risking death.

[@sageseeker9197]

Is the corruption in the room with us? Sabine was always like that? Ahsoka is a middle aged woman now and not a seventeen year old girl?

[@burtreynolds8030]

I like you’re take but unfortunately I think the flaws bring it far below decent, you’re first point is that there is no stakes, what is an action piece without stakes?

[@holysecret2]

"Decent" should probably be quite a challenging bar to meet. If we posit a 5/10 as "averege", 6/10 and 4/10 as "slightly above/below average", "decent" realistically should be somewhere in the 7/10 or 8/10 territory. And from everything I have seen about Ahsoka, it's nowhere near deserving that level of praise. I feel like *everything* (and everyone involved in the discourse) gets dragged down when we devalue / inflate the concept of quality and achievement. Of course, the same goes for the other extreme. When every new show is the worst thing ever, you get desensitized to these concepts and start thinking "maybe everything isn't as bad, because people are exaggerating anyway". So I think everyone on both sides will ultimately benefit from being more accurate (and genuine) in their criticisms and their choice of words. Ahsoka isn't great, but maybe that's fine. And it's also fine to be disappointed that it isn't better. When you have a track record of critiquing things quite accurately in the 4-6 category, your "decent" will all of a sudden carry a lot more weight and influence. Not to mention even higher scores. I much prefer that way of thinking.

[@KingSlayer_.]

Lol, true. It's ruins the whole fight scene. It makes the whole story un-engaging.

[@trevoravery9270]

which we LITEERALLY already know it wont happen.@Katybeamn

[@ricardobarragan8258]

​@@trevoravery9270We also know that they are planning a movie that is meant to tie all of the shows together, so we know that Thrawn has to get back home for that to happen. With the outcome already decided before the finale even started, the episode really has to deliver with the emotions for it to land. It was a high bar for Ahsoka to meet, and it just didn't. I liked it, but it definitely wasn't as engaging as other Disney+ shows.

[@trevoravery9270]

the show is LITERAL garbage.@@ricardobarragan8258

[@MaurDL]

So it's a show that feels simultaneously slow and rushed? That's kind of impressive.

[@JCShadow0202]

I just wish Sabine wasn’t so strong in the force in the finale, was hoping her Jedi training was a “be a better person” thing. But in the finale she goes from youngling to Jedi Knight; I’m glad it was built up but her being force sensitive at all kinda ruins my perception of her in Rebels

[@MoonWeasel23]

I dunno, I personally like the idea that anyone can wield the force, but there are obviously people who are naturally gifted and taught from an early age to use it. We don’t actually know how long Sabine had been training with Ashoka before the show, so for all we know, this isn’t the first time she has tried to actively use the force. For me, Rebels Sabine was just starting to learn about the force when she received the dark saber. I wouldn’t expect her to be pulling objects or anything, but after a long time training I can kind of buy it. I really hope they expand on it more in the future though and make it clear that she isn’t a gifted force user like Ezra or Ashoka.

[@JCShadow0202]

@@MoonWeasel23 “anyone can wield the force” right here I have a fundamental disagreement; I’m just not a fan of this idea. It makes sense that the force flows through tall living beings but for it to actually be wielded by anyone who trains for 10 or more years is crazy to me. Like imagine if Cad Bane, Watto, or Jabba started using the force with enough training. The term “force-sensitive” literally becomes obsolete, I preferred it when Sabine was just a Mandalorian. Glad you liked it tho Edit: Although it is cool that Ahsoka is probably the first in history to train someone who wasn’t born strong in the force to use it

[@MoonWeasel23]

@@JCShadow0202 I get that point of view, but from my perspective we have someone like Chirut in Rogue One who is clearly force sensitive but not so much that he is performing the acts traditionally associated with the force. To me it isn't hard to believe that after tens of thousands of years where the Jedi and the Sith are the only people who can wield the force, the rest of the galaxy would just assume that if you aren't exceedingly talented, there is no point of even trying. One the other hand, I was surprised at how powerful they made Sabine for that scene. I figured they would just end it at Sabine pulling the lightsaber, and I think it might be a mistake to give her the powers of a fully fledged Jedi. I do wonder though if there wasn't some extenuating circumstance which helped her out. Maybe Anakin was there as a force ghost? Also, Cad Bane as a force sensitive would be broken as hell, lol.

[@thechunkmaster8794]

@@JCShadow0202 The possibility of anyone wielding the force has existed since the very beginning of Star Wars. Ben Kenobi describes the Force as an energy field that permeates all living things. "Force-sensitive" isn't an obsolete term just because someone like Sabine finally learned how to do a basic force push. People that can do shit like that as children (like every Jedi youngling ever) are what would qualify as "force-sensitive."

[@JCShadow0202]

@@thechunkmaster8794 In what world was Sabine’s force push for Ezra in finale, “basic”

[@Qwazin]

There isn't a single lightsaber fight in the original trilogy that didn't have tremendous consequences for the story and characters. Obi-Wan gets killed, Luke gets his hand chopped off and Vader reveals his identity, Palpatine temps Luke into killing Vader and taking his place... Here in this show it's just used as filler to give the illusion of tension even though we know the characters are scheduled for five more spin-offs or something.

[@SturmtrupplerNr595]

To a lesser amount this IS also true for the prequels: 1) in the only lightsaber Duel (LSD) (Not counting the Brief Exchange between qui gon and Maul ON tatooine) qui gon dies and Obi wann geht's at least promoted to knight for (presumably) Killing the First Sith in a thousand years. 2) in the LSD between dooku and our Heroes He chops anakins Hand of and Managers to escape by forcing Yoda to save our Heroes, WHO arrogantly tried to Take dooku on alone. The war could have Ended at this Point and they would have gotten the death Star Plans If IT wasnt for especially anakins arrogance. 3) the one with the Most LSDs and the biggest implications. The Leaders of the CIS get both killed, showing of Anakin murdering an unarmed (und unhanded) dooku. Windus Duel with palps directly triggers anakins fall. Yoda once again hast the Chance to end this new Empire right ON the Spot, but fails while Obi wans Duel with Anakin cements anakins fall and His new Vader persona.

[@thechunkmaster8794]

We're just going to pretend that Ahsoka vs Baylan and Ahsoka vs Morgan weren't consequential fights?

[@javierlopez9789]

Yes​@@thechunkmaster8794

[@notobi-wan8344]

1:46 Marrok crying In corner after everyone forgot about him when he wasnt anyone we knew

[@YodaOnABender]

I swear all disney has to do is dangle stuff from the clone wars in front of our faces and twitter will claim it's the best thing since ROTS

[@achaudhari101]

Except it had a purpose to the story.

[@YodaOnABender]

and? That doesn’t automatically make it a masterpiece. That's literally doing the bare minimum

[@achaudhari101]

@@YodaOnABender It’s important to see how Ahsoka evolves.

[@YodaOnABender]

@@achaudhari101again, not proving me wrong here

[@achaudhari101]

@@YodaOnABender Wrong based on what? That it only serves to be a reminder of the good old days? If it was shoehorned in with no reasoning behind it, you might have a point but that’s not what happened.

[@JCShadow0202]

I disagree with you on Thrawn, compared to his book or even Rebels counterpart, he’s comes off extremely underwhelming. If it wasn’t for plot armor he would’ve killed off the entire cast and crab people in episode 7

[@a_agadir3964]

Nah. He was worse in Rebels, I dont think he even won a single time, when he heroes got away he would always be like “i let them go on purpose” Ahsoka Thrawn is more realistic to the character because 1. He actually uses magic and force esque stuff (even though he doesnt exactly understand it) to his advantage 2. He respects his troopers, and his troops respect him, they were willing to sacrifice their lives for him at Episode 8 Adding on to n2, in Episode 7, Thrawn actually conducts and orderly retreat after Ahsoka appears, he only lost in Episode 7 because Baylan was absent. But yea, EU thrawn is obviously still the best, but theres still a whole plotline with Thrawn that will continue next season. So, any issues could easily be fixed or overwritten with the excuse of “he was in exile for years and is rusty”

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I don't understand how these billion dollar companies can't find actually high level writers, I'm sure there are amazing writers out there but there's something wrong with their hiring system and how they attract Artists, either great writers don't wanna work for these big companies or Disney doesn't know how to find one, but then again they made Andor which is masterfully written, so why can't they do more of that? Filoni's not bad but I think he's gotten too much credit for Rebels, probably, because if Rebels was this much better than Ahsoka then it means a lot of other people were responsible for it rather than Filoni getting so much of the credit

[@Ar1AnX1x]

a lot of people don't know that George Lucas was the main creator of the Clone Wars animated show, more people should watch that, it has a lot of average episodes but in general it gets so good as it goes on and it adds so much context and so much life to a lot of what happens in the Prequels

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I think the portrayal of Thrawn is pretty good, the dialogue is mostly good but obviously he also suffers from bad writing which ends in him not showing any actual 'strategical genius' that he's supposed to show since that's supposed to be a big part of his character

[@grumpus5248]

It's obvious no time was spent training the gunners how to hit anything other than a massive stone tower or glance a couple hits on a nearly stationary ship.

[@bobfrekene3019]

It felt like Thrawn was kind of dumb. I felt like he could have wiped them out easily.

[@creationfied]

there would be no story if he were good

[@BuzzingMeat]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@creationfiedand there would be no good story if he’s incompetent

[@TheEvilDedolok]

I think the whole time he could just bomb everyone from his ship instead of sending troopers on the land but that would make our heroes dead :D

[@wisdommanari6701]

​@@creationfiedthen the conflict should have been restructured

[@creationfied]

@@BuzzingMeat he is incompetent lol

[@DarthDevorin]

I didn't ask for a masterpiece. I asked to be entertained. I've seen low budget Star Wars fan films with more heart than this show.

[@guilhermegfreitas]

since mando season 2, lightsabers have been looking really off for me in the SW shows. in some shots, their hue looks different, the blade length also changes between shots and movements... they look stiffer and less fluid

[@everburn]

They look like glow sticks

[@grumpus5248]

Fight scenes were boring and terrible. All of these spin moves and putting your back to someone with a weightless light blade is maddening. Also saw Ahsoka pull her blade across her body between her and her opponent when she could just flick a wrist and gut her opponent. The finale was the worst. Stone-cutting laser swords can suddenly *not* dice zombie troopers into pieces. At least, not until we needed a cool beheading obscured by a pillar because Disney? A series is not fun when I end up yelling at the TV pretty much every point made in this video. Watching Andor 2 times now to restore balance to the Force.

[@manz7860]

I had to watch the end of season 1 of mando. It's too bad we'll never get a story with the master luke we wanted. The whole time I was watching Ahsoka I was just wishing she would've brought along Luke.

[@lolcats987654321]

Knowing filoni doesnt have the guts to kill his characters takes away ALL tension and stakes from the story. Thrawn doesnt win so much as the heros fail to win. Eu thrawn was a SOUL CRUSHER.

[@thechunkmaster8794]

You know Morgan is dead now, right?

[@christiannoriega428]

Kanan is dead as well. So is Maul. Most stories have that trait anyway because most of the time they live (at least till the end). The goal is to suspend your disbelief by entrancing you in the story. The execution wasn't great so it pushes you out of the story.

[@javierlopez9789]

​@@thechunkmaster8794no one cares about morgan

[@ryansarafin12]

I think they should just have Faverou work as the director, Filoni as the supervisor, and someone else as the writer. The story telling in these shows feel very empty and lack luster and I really think they need to look to other writers

[@a_agadir3964]

Nah peter ramsey, bryce dallas howard, and dave filoni should be the only ones directing

[@captainrex6484]

While I enjoyed the show, Andor and the first 2 scenes of Mando easily overshadowed it for me. I love Rebels with all my heart, but I don't think Dave has quite figured out how to write for live-action yet. That being said, I was beyond excited to see Thrawn. I loved him in the books and Rebels. Seeing him in live action was epic

[@davidci]

Finally, seeing an actually good Ahsoka review that talks about its flaws without resorting to 'wahmen bad' and sporting the worst eyesore of a thumbnail you've ever seen

[@ThomasRichardson-lj1ig]

No one thinks "women bad." If anything, they object to the notion that "women cannot be bad or flawed." At this point, you have to be delusional if you don't see that gender/racial politics have negatively impacted these kinds of series and movies. The problem isn't the presence of women, it's that the execution is poor and the products become extremely contrived because gender politics is so highly prioritized to the detriment of things that actually matter for good writing. Supercuts may pretend that his criticisms are totally unrelated to this, but in fact the problems he points out are intimately tied to these issues. For example, the plot armor examples are obviously exacerbated by these politics, because they so desperately want to contort it to a Mary Sue/"strong woman" archetype.

[@ThomasRichardson-lj1ig]

Like nearly every major criticism he has of the show is so obviously hugely affected by this: 1) he hates the plot armor. Obviously exacerbated by their need to make women unrealistically powerful and "badass". 2) he likes the antagonists (male) but not the protagonists (female). He points out that the protagonists have uninteresting characters. Ahsoka had "pretentious vibes" and was a "dull figure". He found Sabine "largely annoying, given her selfish and rebellious nature". Wow, who could've predicted this? This is literally what happens all the time when people are politically motivated to write "strong, independent" female characters. Supercuts may think that he is above criticizing this aspect of the show. But it doesn't make him sophisticated -- it just demonstrates his inability at identifying a real and more fundamental issue, which is a major contributor to (if not the source of) many of the things he dislikes about the show.

[@zachv465]

The Star Wars universe is so inconsistent with their quality that I’m constantly getting whiplash. Mandalorian started strong but ended poorly, the sequels were kinda meh but Rogue One was excellent. Kenobi was meh but Andor was amazing. There’s just no consistency in this universe. For anyone that contests, I’m glad you enjoyed it-only vocalizing one man’s opinion.

[@achaudhari101]

Mandalorian isn’t even that bad.

[@JoeNasr123]

I was with you 100% until you said Thrawn was done intelligently. I disagree completely, I think every one of his decisions demonstrates incompetence and bad strategy. He was clearly written by people who don’t understand more than simply labeling someone as a “mastermind” without actually knowing how to demonstrate it. Thrawn only “wins” because everyone else is written as equally inept.

[@achaudhari101]

Or he didn’t want to waste resources.

[@akai1up]

My main gripe is that Star Wars shows seem to be afraid to kill off major chatacters. The OT killed off Obi-wan, Yoda, Tarkin, Jabba, Vader, Palpatine, etc. The prequels killed a ton of characters, esp in ep 3. Even the sequels killed off some major characters. But Boba Fett show killed only Cad Bane, Mandalorian took 3 seasons to kill anyone of note, Ahsoka killed only Morgan; Marrok wasn't really a character. Andor is the only show that kills a significant amount of the characters it introduces.

[@achaudhari101]

Give it unlit the movie. A lot of those characters are going to die.

[@AlbonitumG]

​@@achaudhari101dying of old age doesn't count my man.

[@Infamous1892]

The fact that there are no stakes or tension, leads to poor quality. This is just live action Rebels, and Rebels is boring. Plus the Nostalgia factor drags the quality down even more. Yes we remember the Clone Wars, we remember the empire, we remember Darth Vader. Now write something new, write something different, expand the universe, Don’t just repeat what came before.

[@dereksreviews]

Ahh yes, a decent show. Literally zero stakes or tension, boring action scenes, bland characters...

[@aviowl]

arent the stakes the return of thrawn, Dont know how you missed it they wont shut up about it

[@dereksreviews]

Idk why it's a big deal because he's a fucking moron 🤷‍♀️

[@FunFilmFare]

You just described "The Way of Water" 😆

[@t7489]

@@aviowltalking about it with no metric of WHY he’s bad is not a good measure of tension. It’s next level lazy.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

this show is a 6/10, maybe even 5/10 but no stakes? Thrawn is going back to the main star wars galaxy to rebuild the empire, are you sure you figured out what even happened? I agree the tension is not there but there are definitely big steaks, medium rare steaks

[@alejandronunez5110]

I'm sorry but i liked sabine more in rebels,I understand its been 10yrs and she's been grieving clan wren and Missing Ezra but holy shit...

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I also like Ahsoka much better in the clone wars, she was just more interesting

[@System-ly6de]

back wen they all had personalities

[@Badmunky64]

You shouldn't apologize for having an opinion.

[@achaudhari101]

@alejandronunez5110 Except characters change and there’s a reason behind it. How is that a problem exactly? Sabine can’t be too happy that she lost her family and Ezra within years of each other.

[@achaudhari101]

@@System-ly6de Personalities doesn’t mean Boy Scout Clown like personalities.

[@jmccrimmon75]

Being average implies there is a story here. Ashoka is a fan service mess. The creators may like Star Wars but there’s a clear difference between a sw show with good writing/character arcs (Andor) and a show like this. There are no stakes, action scenes happen for no reason, you have to do research just to know who the characters are, almost all the performances felt bland, the pacing was God awful, etc

[@achaudhari101]

Or YOU have an issue with the stakes since there are stakes to be seen here.

[@christiannoriega428]

​@achaudhari101 Although it's also how you present the stakes. Ahsoka's journey in this show on paper is very good. However they don't show what that is very well leaving the audience just confused. The stakes are technically there but the presentation bogs it down sadly.

[@ionutcristian9650]

The show is indeed boring, and that was a bummer because i like Ahsoka, and what realy bums me out is that Disney either is uncapable or just don't care enough to make decent lightsaber fights. Even Hayden who has always been amazing with a lightsaber, is so slow in these shows, maybe it's his age but i feel like he could do a lot more. Maybe his co-stars can't keep up if he's serious 🤣.

[@AlbonitumG]

Still Hayden is faster than anyone else in the show. Well, it goes to show that they really trained for the prequels, and for the show, no-one seem to bother going that extra mile.

[@javierlopez9789]

Because disney wants the lightsabers to feel like baseball bats for some reason.

[@arcoffice4448]

Ahsoka light saber battles are so wooden and uninteresting. She needs a lot more practice, her character should be much more agile.

[@marcelk2753]

That´s the problem of life action. You cant translate her fighting style very well.

[@inboundxcx]

It was insulting to me as a viewer that Sabine completely ignores/never tells Ezra the details of the situation. We learn she purposely withholds the information that she has only 2 days or whatever to get back to the ship when shes like lets not talk about it when he brings it up. If Ashoka doesnt show up, Im completely led to assume she is just come here to live out her days in this galaxy with no plans of leaving with Ezra. She shows no sense of urgency except in the last episode because the plot needs her to. Such a horrible character.

[@marcusclark1339]

cause she's not allowed to ever be called out for her actions "strong female character" must always be right, that's not hyperbole, its just the state of politics in the company same reason Hera gets away with the soldiers she got killed for a non mission and endangering her child's life than keeping him home by c3po ass pull, modern politics

[@kevinzhang6623]

What utter foolishness in your comment. If you hate what is actually present, that's great, but don't get it so twisted. After finding Ezra, she needed to take it in, after Thrawn now having a means of escape and Ahsoka being dead. You think under that emotional gravity, especially for someone like Sabine, it's that immediate? She's ashamed, worried, can't think of a viable plan, knowing it would likely result in both of them being dead, and didn't want to face the fact that Ezra would know she let him down, somehow waiting for a solution to manifest. This was her low point, a DIRECT ECHO of her low point in Rebels where it would've been all over just the same if Hera and Kanan didn't find her. That's an insane amount of character, and because she has Ahsoka's support near the end, they are able to fulfill their roles in a plan that... nearly succeeds simply due to time. Why do you need to see saints as the characters to the point you'll lose your mind if they're a fraction of being as flawed as you would be in that situation? Remember in Rebels when she made a weapon used to murder and enslave every Mandalorian who rebelled against the Empire? Hundreds, perhaps thousands of Mandalorians died with their blood on her hands. She stood up to the Empire, and for that was unjustly abandoned(Just like Ahsoka did later for no other reason than the possibility that Sabine would apply her anger the wrong way, rather than guiding her). She made the wrong choices, her bounty hunter friend betrayed her, leaving her for dead and could not have expected the situation to be resolved or to survive if not for Hera and Kanan showing up. Just like in Ahsoka. By giving the map, she ACCEPTED the consequences of her actions, and Thrawn escaping is far worse than what anyone in the Republic thinks. It was a gamble, to somehow get Ezra, then escape while sabotaging Thrawn. Who Sabine always is is someone who screws up, and it takes someone else rescuing her to set her straight, and once that happens, she goes all out in correcting her mistakes. The purgill appearing at Seatos signify this was meant to happen, and now the Remnants that had been wreaking havoc and ignored by the Republic will all be unified and reveal themselves, giving the Republic(far superior in force) a chance to wipe them all out.

[@nickpalumbo8046]

Saying its decent is too kind. The show is mind numbingly boring. Why did they make ahsoka such a robotic bland character?

[@achaudhari101]

Maybe that’s a you problem.

[@nickpalumbo8046]

@@achaudhari101 your probably one of those people that liked the last jedi.

[@achaudhari101]

@@nickpalumbo8046 And here’s the mind blowing part: I don’t.

[@nickpalumbo8046]

@@achaudhari101 ok good atleast your not totally insane

[@vixouu7925]

I feel like they were trying to show off her blame, guilt, and “depression” to anakin’s death which is why they fight. She does change after their encounter, but the change is so subtle you’d never notice it. Still, the actual flaw about this show is that it feels like it’ll get better with season 2, which shouldn’t be the case.

[@spacekingvids7496]

Imho feloni’s biggest weakness is setting up plots in early seasons but he ends up really getting things going come later seasons

[@Ale-dd3ek]

This show feels like was written by Vulcanians Nobody ever show any emotion

[@KingSlayer_.]

Star Wars isn't supposed to just be decent. The OT and the prequel movie ROTS all had real magic to them and you could tell they were made with passion and felt like a real grounded world you could lose yourself in. If Star Wars is mediocre, it's bad and not worth watching.

[@achaudhari101]

Fandom hated the Prequels growing up to where I had to listen to them bitch about it.

[@CarloPrivat]

I mean you re right at the beginning, that Ahsoka is neither terrible nor a Masterpiece and that is fine. YET Star Wars has taken lots of L´s in the past years and to finally proof again that Star Wars is worth watching Ahsoka should ve definetly been an at least very good show (like Andor, just with a beloved character) which it isnt. So while I think the show is ok, I also think its once again bad for the IP and its reputation

[@achaudhari101]

Sometimes those “L’s” are very questionable and comes off as being rigid or uneducated.

[@TheBandgeek014]

Does it bother anyone that, for some reason, the modern day lightsaber fights have sparks coming out of every lightsaber clash? I literally went back and watched Obi-Wan vs Maul in Episode 1 and there are no sparks. Anakin vs Obi-Wan also had no sparks. I just feel like that is a major change that really bogs down the pace of lightsaber fights

[@christiannoriega428]

That's an artistic choice. The OT had flashes of light for every clash. I get why you like that better though. They all make sense enough but just a different direction.

[@Badmunky64]

While it isn't terrible this show was far from decent.

[@jorgehuertas3995]

We don't have the same definition fo decent. Squid Game is a decent show. Really interesting characters, some great episodes, some not so great inclusions that drag the show down. Ahsoka? No stakes, no character, barely any story, a huge waste of time, plot contrivance, plot armor and plot holes everywhere. Blatant key jangling. Savine survived the wound that killed Qui Gon, Ahsoka used lightsabers against battleships that conviniently forgot that they could stay stationary and don´t get me started on that world between worlds fanservice mess. This show is both painfully bad and painfully boring paded with insane levels of filler and dragged shots. "Decent" is a 5/10 not a 2/10

[@achaudhari101]

Half of those things are in the show were shown for the long term but you have a goldfish mentality so I’m not shocked.

[@farwoodfarm9296]

Dave Filoni is a co writer & co storyteller, and a director supervisor but he is a Creative Collaborator, not a sole creator of Star Wars tv shows or content in general. People took this man and made a god out of him because he played a heavy role in the storytelling department and supervising department but he is a collaborator at the end of the day who works well when teaming up with others. His best work will always be with George. Outside of George his flaws start to show more.

[@christiannoriega428]

Yeah. He's great at what he does in his role, and it shows in his work, but everyone assumes he's great at everything. If he does everything by himself, it will put down the quality as shown here. You need a team of experts that work together to make a great product.

[@nunouno001]

This is honesty my biggest problem with Dave Filoni as a creative. He knows how to make functional and serviceable fine products, but lacks the imagination or skill to elevate his writing. Instead, he relies on call backs, references, and general fan service as a crutch to support the show. You can tell that he knows and loves Star Wars, but because of that he doesn’t take risks to explore new territory or push the boundaries of what Star Wars can be. Even the Clone Wars, as good as it is, still relies on the prequels to provide a framework and foundation to tell its own stories. Dave Filoni sadly isn’t much of a creator, he’s more of a creative plastic surgeon whose been working on fixing the prequels for the past 10 years and now he has to fix the sequels. Compare this to Andor, which has the guts to show us stuff about Star Wars that we’ve never seen before. Outside of Mon Mothma, we don’t need to know anything about the rest of the franchise to understand the story of Andor.

[@manz7860]

I think he's great when it comes to interpreting George's story. But when it comes to OC content it's just out of his element. Reminds me of the game of thrones writers.

[@nunouno001]

People say Dave is George’s successor and I do agree with that. Because both of them operated at their best when they had a team of other people around them to help streamline and improve their ideas

[@javierlopez9789]

Add to that fixing the sequels is a much more harder, i would even say impossible, thing to do than with the prequels. Because at least the prequels, save for some minor details, respected the originals, the sequels spat on them and led to a very underwhelming (to say the least and being very generous) conclusion.

[@vixouu7925]

Filoni’s biggest flaws come in the fact that he’s used to multiple season shows, so he wastes time knowing he’ll “make things better” in the next season, that’s how he hooks you. At least that’s how I see it.

[@SentryUwU]

No, it is terrible. It has one of the worst writing, acting, editing, story telling etc.

[@achaudhari101]

Very debatable.

[@KneelBeforeNeil]

To be fair, I think the reason Sabine gaining force powers doesn’t sit well with people is primarily from a writing perspective, not the in-universe logic and definitely not any anti-female sentiment. To sum the problem up simply, her resume is way too long. In Rebels, this is her character’s history at the age of ~16 alone: -Born into a Mandalorian household, thus learning their customs, traditions, and trained in their ways -Learns and becomes a proficient artist from her father -Joins the Imperial academy -Is smart enough to create armor-material-targeting Imperial superweapons -Drops out and is shunned by her family -Becomes a bounty hunter -Joins the rebellion and becomes their unofficial(?) propaganda artist -Repairs and designs machinery (including complex shield generators, like the one on Atollon) -Gains the Darksaber and becomes pivotal in the initial reclamation of Mandalore (prior to the Great Purge) However, this was acceptable for the time because she had a character to support it. Aside from the art, she never really openly flaunted these skills & experiences, and even Hera admits she doesn’t open up well with her past. By the time she actually does anything with the Darksaber, we’re all rooting for her. Not because she’s force sensitive to use it, but because of what it means for her, her backstory, and most importantly, her character. She didn’t need to be force-sensitive because she was already so interesting without it. She showed that (though her backstory was nonetheless bloated unnecessarily in some areas) you don’t need the force to be a standout character in the Star Wars galaxy. Giving her this ability flies right in the face of this. It turns her from an albeit bloated but likable character to one almost designed for a fanfiction. It makes it feel like she had to have it for the plot’s sake, not because she herself needed it. Ahsoka and Sabine didn’t even have many scenes together for Rebels, so this “need” for her to become a Jedi feels VERY hollow. Heck, almost all their supposed “history” together was fabricated off-screen just so this show would have this inevitably mishandled master-and-apprentice subplot. Adding it on was not only unnecessary but also highlights other missed opportunities. Considering Shin is practically abandoned on Peridea by Baylan, a good plot line for Ahsoka gaining an apprentice would’ve been for her to convince and take on Shin as one instead of Sabine. This way you don’t have to make Sabine’s resume even longer than needed. Anyways, I hope that clarifies why some people aren’t happy with the idea of Sabine becoming Force sensitive. Thank you for coming to my TEDxTalk.

[@montenegroafro4454]

“For every good aspect there has to be something weighing it down.” Summarizes the impact of the whole season..it should’ve been great but ended up annoyingly Meh.

[@inboundxcx]

TO BE FAIR to the fights, these lightsaber fight cutaways are the norm in the movies, and I didnt relazie that they do it for like every fight until rewatching the who saga with a friend. The fights were the best part of the show, which shows how lacking the rest was

[@joaopedrorosa6198]

When i first hear about Ahsoka series i thought they were going to do some Rogue One type of movie to explain why she didn't appear in the original trilogy. Some kind of important assignment that would cost her life or end her arc once and for all. She started as a padawan of anakin, help him grow as a character, help him change his view about the jedi. When she parted from the Jedi Order disappointed with the jedi and Anakin was worried i thought that was the perfect ending. But then she appeared on rebels, start helping the rebels and gets into a life and death situation with Anakin now Darth Vader. That's it. Now she can complete the arc showing how her master is now lost but still showed some emotion in the fight. But, no she is saved once again. BUT TO DO WHAT? What do we want from her?

[@Dragonten312]

How often do other lightsaber fights end in casualties?

[@eeurr1306]

A great thing about this show is definetely the character design. I especially like Baylan's and Shin's character design, they kinda give me a Game of Thrones/Lord of the Rings vibe and that also makes them look Old Republic Era, where Jedi and Sith had more armor and different armor in general.

[@sageseeker9197]

1. there are stakes..... Thrawn being unleashed onto the galaxy, and then them being potentially trapped. (Speaking as somebody who ignored everyone and went it without knowing what would happen). 2. Sexism, because female characters aren't allowed to lose limbs or be "ugly." I personally think Sabine should have lost a limb. Only men are allowed to lose limbs and be disfigured. 3. I was honestly expecting Ahsoka to die, or Hyuang to die the entire time. 4. The lightsaber battles are pretty hard to be skilled and stylish when you haven't really fought in a lightsaber battle in years. Honestly watching it, I was expecting them to kill off either Sabine or Ezra, or even Hera. Because it reminded me of Rebels. I think most people see female characters (ehem men because ALL the reviews about Ahsoka the allegedly beloved female character they like to use to shit on any other female character, is finally the LEAD, which they aren't used to, and all the others are leads. I also hate how everyone is screeching about pointless- IT'S A ENTERTAINMENT TELVEVISION SHOW YOU DIMWITT> We all know you just want Darth Vader to unleash his murder boner upon the galaxy and watch women and children murdered by him in a horrible horror fest. Go watch a sci fi horror movie and stop trying to make that star wars.

[@collinmiller4721]

I’m so glad you highlighted how great the villains were. I wanted so much more of them. ❤

[@aimlessgamer6187]

"Neither Terrible nor a Masterpiece" is a perfect description of all of the Star Wars and Marvel shows.

[@T3hAgus]

Except for Andor, Andor is a masterpiece in every way.

[@thehallowayboys]

Most of them I'd say, but you do have a few fantastic ones such as Andor and terrible ones such as Secret Invasion.

[@irish-italianintrovert.8600]

I would have changed Sabines scene getting stabbed to her arm getting cut off instead. It would’ve been a better of snap moment in the beginning of the show.

[@carlossegura8607]

I absolutely hated when they would cut away from the lightsaber fights like why was that at all necessary

[@christiannoriega428]

They could have even just shown them getting ready to fight and then cut. Instead, they cut when they finally escalate tension by lunging at each other 😡

[@MoonWeasel23]

I think Ahsoka’s arc and the whole point of her flashback episode with Anakin is to show her that she failed Sabine as a master out of fear of becoming Anakin. To me, I thought it was clear that she does change and becomes more active in her relationship with Sabine after that point. As for the action, yeah there are the dumb no stakes moments, but I generally liked the fights, especially the first Ashoka and Baylan fight. I think the final episode especially could have used less action and more dialogue to give the characters just enough time to really flesh out their situations and personalities by the end of the show. Overall it’s got the hood and the bad I expected going it, but the bad isn’t to the point where it degraded my enjoyment, and the good was really good, escpecially as someone who loved both Clone Wars and Rebels.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

She never once mentions Sabine in World between Worlds.

[@andrewlowden322]

The main issues for me are Rosario is too tall. Cartoon Ahsoka was bubbly and closer to 5'1". She is scripted to be extremely stoic ("Bc thats how all older jedi have to be") and teh line delivery is...sooo.... soooo....slow. Pregnant pauses galore. IF it was just 1 character it would be fine but pretty muah when A, Hera, and Sabine are all doing it I feel like Wiggum Eddie and Lou while interviewing Principle Skinner after Burns was shot. Also the lightsaber choreography is so random: they spend too much time twirling and exposing their vulnerable spots. Over and over. I really really like Ahsoka from Clone Wars and the characters from Rebels a lot so the stoic direction is tough to swallow here. Also there are many nods to those series so I can understand why people who havent seen CW or Rebels are confused. Visually its great. Thrawn is much more menacing and in-shape in Rebels and here hes out of shape. Disparu makes me laugh as he just refers to him as "Elon". I call Ezra "Chosen" as he looks like any one of Jesus' disciples in the Chosen

[@achaudhari101]

You do realize why Ahsoka at First couldn’t be that bubbly after Rebels right?

[@andrewlowden322]

@@achaudhari101 yup, but even as we grow and events change us where she went is too far. Like a different person totally. While that caaaaan happen irl, the choice to do so might as well be a totally different character that they just threw in there.

[@jakubmikoajczyk3699]

Tbh I cannot agree with the statement that thraw is any good. Is is always like "yeah its all happening as I predicted and he is always screwed". This guy lost every encounter in this season.

[@zanderaw]

The plot was decent and the villains were cool but it was executed very poorly imo. The way they filled time was terrible

[@miguelrosado6348]

It's boring for who haven't watched the animated shows. For the ones who watched it there is probably a lot of call backs, easter eggs, fanservice and nostalgia but filmmaking for me is not that about these things. I think Filoni might be a good at designing the storyworld but he is a terrible writer and a worse filmmaker.

[@SimonMester]

It actually surprised me how bland Sabine was. I don't mean character even, but she should be decked out in literal blothches of paint and colour and motives on her clothes, hair and armour.

[@MrStatement]

Nah the show sucks, there are so many bad things about it like clunky action scenes, little tension due to contrivances, bad dialogue, bland characters due to them barely having any emotion to them, etc. etc. In my opinion this show is right there with Kenobi as one of the worst SW shows out there.

[@manz7860]

As much as it pains me to say it. Reva was a more well written character than discount dooku and his funny looking emo apprentice

[@justlivin2499]

Honestly, Ezra’s actor perfectly captured his character from Rebels

[@manz7860]

I thought it was kind of weird. 10 years of exile and he's still the same dumb kid.

[@MaxwellWurme]

I hope this video does well I think you did a great job with your analysis and you’ve really got me thinking now It’s truly sad that Ashoka doesn’t retain any of her personality from the clone wars I had attributed that to her growing up but now I think your right about it being lazy writing

[@afadingdream9675]

I think it's terrible, and the droid had more personality than anyone else. I don't blame the actors, I blame the writing. I can't think of a single thing I actually enjoyed in the show. I came into it with a really honest attempt to enjoy it.

[@bishbosh4815]

I seriously dont understand how the Star Wars franchise still has fans. Y'all are just clinging onto that childhood wonder and love for the original trilogy with dear life, even though mostly everything thats come out in the last 30 years has mostly sucked

[@Ar1AnX1x]

that's the best take, the based take, like chill out, its Star Wars, Ahsoka is like 6/10 show, don't get unhinged, its not garbage and nobody expected it to be insanely good, but that's where the money is, calling anything mainstream 'Garbage' while acting like you only consume masterpieces while you can't name even one well-written all time great Sci-fi outside of Dune.

[@silveratlas2706]

It's not good. It's not as awful as the other Star Wars Disney Films and TV shows (save Andor) but it's still pretty bad. 4/10

[@slowjoe0485]

No it's pretty awful, some of the blandest/most meaningless character writing and silliest plotting I've seen in recent times. The amount logistical errors in this epsiode were astonishing. There's no tension because of how predictable everything is and how much plot armour the characters have. Don't try passing it off as anything other than bad because it's not quite as terrible as Kenobi or some of the other shows.

[@grumpus5248]

As soon as Sabine survived that kill shot, it went off the rails. I feel bad contributing to the views count.

[@slowjoe0485]

@@grumpus5248 The signs were there before that, Sabine's introduction was bad, they tried to make her look cool by not attending her friends memorial service? Then there was her taking the map in the first place from Ahsoka and Ahsoka not doing anything about it until much later. The whole concept of a map leading to someone (like in TFA with Luke) was a bad omen and unoriginal too. The sheer amount of dead space in the show too, there's scenes that contain only a few lines of dialogue that last like 5 mins just because of the pauses between sentences and excessive establishing shots. It really just feels like a waste of time because there was next to no meaningful character writing and the plot was bland and predictable, they should've just had Thrawn return from the start and not bothered with all the other crap.

[@kevinzhang6623]

Fitting username.

[@slowjoe0485]

@@kevinzhang6623 Totally original line, nice one. Am I wrong about the show though?

[@AllOne95]

To me, it felt like the only good thing about the show was star wars IP. Remove it and there is no reason to watch it, you know no one will die... no matter the scene (like Star destroyer bombing the riders on the surface)

[@manz7860]

I actually felt bad for our villains lol. They bombard our sheroes blank with naval gunfire. Our sheroes survive without a scratch. One of the antagonists impales a main character....our main character survives with just a cigar burn to show for it 😂

[@Zieg_Games]

It's just kinda crap. 23 years, and no FvF fight comes close to Jen vs Shu Lien. Sad.

[@TheBloch007]

Decent? What show did you watch wat. Nothing works in the show, the action is bad, the plot is bad and the characters are terrible.

[@TheBloch007]

"There is no stakes or tension, but that doesnt matter, it is still decent" ???????

[@TheBloch007]

Every decision Thrawn took was a failure. He could had killed all the good guys instantly yet he fumbled the bag every time. He could had left instantly and he would had won, yet he decided to stick around only to lose so so many men + his waifu witch

[@TheBloch007]

Also the show is 6 hours. The OT is 6hours 20minutes. Every scene is 5 seconds of nothing.

[@achaudhari101]

@@TheBloch007 You could have just worded that as one big comment. Even then some of your criticism makes no sense. Why does he need to kill all the heroes when they’re going to be seen again in the future? The stakes is that Thrawn is going to have an Imperial Army and undead zombies with powerful witches at his disposal.

[@TheBloch007]

@@achaudhari101 more comments mote engagement. Thrawn could had left the instant we saw him. He just stayed around for the story and that is just bad writing. He finally got a way to escape and he didnt take the first chance. 10 years stuck in a galaxy and he didn't wanna leave ...

[@tapanjoshi7710]

Sabine definitely felt like a downgrade from Rebels.

[@reyagu4607]

I just thought it was boring, like the Obi-Wan show I’m just sitting here wondering what was the point of it? Star Wars Feels so played out to me personally

[@achaudhari101]

You have a crap attention span.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

The choreography was just so.. I'm just gonna call it straight up, bad. There is few fights I genuinely enjoyed.

[@Wolfstar-cd4jl]

I think the show is alright but Thrawn doesn’t look right and Ahsoka has been made like more of a bulky warrior and she’s condescending and mostly uses one lightsaber. The Ahsoka theme tune wasn’t used. But Ahsoka is supposed to be quick and agile, and witty but also really kind and friendly

[@litguru4748]

Decent. 🤣🤣🤣 Come off it mate. How come you're not as rational when rating this show as you are when rating other stuff? This show cannot be decent when at least one of these is very bad: writing, acting, action, tension, plot, dialogue, pacing, characters, effects, cinematography, directing. Wouldn't you agree? Like half of those would have to be at least good for me to be able to call a show decent. This however was time wasted and yet another one for the pile of garbage Disney seems so keen on building. I wouldn't rewatch it ever and I'll have forgotten all about in T-10 minutes.

[@maxmagnus3793]

You lost me at Thrawn. His "genius tactics" were generally stupid and wasteful of men and ships. Punctuated by Thrawn saying: Well, actually, I consider this a success despite not harming a single enemy combatant. Think about it, Thrawn and his soldiers don't manage to harm or kill a single enemy life form or droid. The most they manage is to annoy some space whales, destroy the smaller one of Ahsoka's lightsabers, and singe Ezra's hair. Thrawn was a bad joke on this show

[@javierlopez9789]

Thrawn is basically high school me explaining to my parents why failing on a test was part of "my plan"

[@g.t.werber4476]

Sabine didn't train hard enough to use the Force it's BS. And also unnecessary,since she was already a cool character. She didn't need to be a Jedi.

[@kaboomkieboom8777]

This review perfectly captures what I thought on the show I love Dave Filoni and for his first time taking on his own show in live action it did ok. But honestly I rather him turn this into a animated series. I think we need to keep movies live action and tv shows in animation honestly. Its just you aren't as limited with animation. Kenobi and Boba proved that they went cheap on the budget. I would have rather seen all shows in a high quality animation form

[@shadowfax1552]

Agreed. People are bashing Dave now after one mediocre project, but considering he doesn't have much experience in live-action, this isn't bad. I really hope he gets a team of more experienced writers to help him out in the future, because if you removed all the major problems with this show, it would have been awesome. The story and concepts were great, the execution was not.

[@PsychedelicDude]

The sequels are definetly not part of my headcanon. The ST being headcanon should be considered mental illness.

[@marcsoren7]

The entire time the show aired, I felt myself trying so hard to love it, and instead I walked away with: It sure was interesting, but it didn't make me feel much (and if it did, it lasted for a few seconds)

[@AlbonitumG]

The problem for me was that I was more worried about antagonists than protagonists. I was hoping that Shin survives every encounter, I was hoping Thrawn won't end up surrendering to smug faced duo of Ahsoka and Sabine. I'm glad that antagonists won the day, but they will ruin that eventually by killing Thrawn, converting Shin to the "light side" and getting rid of Baylan sonehow. I shouldn't be rooting and actually caring for the bad guys, dammit!

[@Lucaemar]

Excellent review as always! I thought the show was alright, but one thing I thought could have been improved upon, was some of the acting performances - especially Sabine, but also Ashoka herself didn't quite convince imo

[@Luig117]

After watching Andor I knew that that level of writing, dialogue, character/world building, and acting would disappear with the upcoming series. Mando S3 was disappointing and Ahsoka was just as bad. The callbacks and fan service felt forced/unnecessary and as much as I like Prequel nostalgia, that is all it was; nostalgia. Also, why was the acting so bad here. I know that Rosario Dawson can act, so what happened? And why did Sabine feel like a boring version of Negasonic Teenage Warhead? I want to like Star Wars again, but man is it rough to sit down and watch these shows.

[@davidxd-pm1pb]

The only problem that i can see, i'ts the fact that the new republic aristocrats give less than an aching-fawke about literally a number of usurper forces completely the same as a rebel cell like they were back in the empire days. Then in the mandalorian 3, they actually say that there's already ex-imperial people in basically all sectors in the New Republic. Given that this one dissapears in the 7th movie, idc ; but it's still a big joke. Then in ashoka an enterprise man talks with any or barely a litlle bit of fear to a GENERAL (Hera) and says that he's staff it's almost made out of "ex"-imperial people. The joker would rofl about this. The top moments of the series is the martial court, in real life there are already cameras rocording everything that happens. 6 x-wings and the Ghost don't have any? Christ. All that being said, i loved it. (but then again, those "details" are important.

[@henkaan7741]

The show is definitely below decent for me, and I also mostly disagree with your opinion on Thrawn... great review tho.

[@knight-_-meh]

friendship or peace -----------friendship you always need friends in a war spare bodies and all that

[@liamnicholas8969]

The stakes are SOOOO HIGH. Thrawns return means another war, he’s the next big threat.

[@FrankFreezy_]

Watching this whole show was very underwhelming and I would get confused when I saw people praising it online. It feels good to hear someone confirm all the thoughts/critiques I had while watching the show. Great analysis man👏🏾

[@bornjusticerule5764]

Sabine was annoying

[@TheRetifox]

Kinda ironic that Sci-fi show about rich and deep universe is always about the same 5 people lol Also you totally lost me when you took seriously head canon that was establish by Last Jedi from all of the things BRUH

[@AMultipolarWorldIsEmerging]

No more Star Wars garbage. No more super hero garbage. Bring back bullying dorks who love any of this

[@System-ly6de]

yesss

[@javierlopez9789]

Fine, lets start with you

[@masongreen1385]

THANK YOU. I've been trying to find a review for this show that didn't cater to one of the extremes. It's just really frustrating that it's almost impossible to find decent media criticism in this era of catering towards extremes for views. I do think that the characters felt very strange. Ahsoka felt kind of like she appears in the last Tales of the Jedi short - trying to find some peace with herself and a place in a changed world. She looks put together but really, it doesn't seem like she would be. The whole sequence with Anakin when she's told to "fight or die" but instead she chooses to live instead is a great idea for an arc, but it doesn't feel like there's enough buildup or payoff to make it complete. I personally love that Sabine can use the Force. It makes it feel much more like the original trilogy in my opinion, where the Force is something mysterious that people can use with dedication and training. It feels much better than the "you need to be born with the talent" idea; some people are more talented in the Force, sure, but that isn't the limiting factor in how someone can use it. You just need to be open to it. Dave Filoni has honestly done some of my favorite stuff with the Force, because he's constantly going "yeah, it's weird, and sure, there's the mainstream way of how the Jedi and Sith use it, but here's all the other ways it can be used." It makes it feel way more mysterious and powerful. I totally agree with you on the parallel editing thing. That's something that's seriously frustrated me with a lot of recent media, because you're never in a scene long enough to get invested in it. (See, this show, seasons 4-5 of The Dragon Prince, season 4 of Stranger Things, heck, even some of the recent X-Men comic books have this problem). It's just indicative of a general problem in recent media that we have to have multiple storylines going, and also tension, so every time something is about to happen, you have to cut away to another storyline. Hopefully they can just let scenes play out fully in the future instead of cutting away right before a fight scene begins.

[@marcusclark1339]

its not extreme to say a show is bad - calling out bad writing or calling it trash isn't "hating/hate click/extreme/istaphobic" its just criticism that's BLUNT the show is bad, NOTHING happened in the entire show that couldn't be skipped, why watch for some arbituary season 2 when the lore is ruined the force for everyone doesn't make it stronger as a plot device it weakens it to anytime someone doesn't use it as asinine same to Thrawn being dumb cause the writers are dumb same to Sabine being a sue (despite the show name, entire thing revolves around her, gains abilities out of a whim, breaks lore to allow it, never faces consequence to her actions, and by the end accomplished nothing yet happy) Ezra not using a lightsaber then using one, one episode later just stupidity but actually done to metaphorically hand his D over to a woman, that's why he won't take the saber back when she hands it to him

[@boxonothing4087]

Ahsoka is neither good or bad, it's unambitious. Everything remains in a safe zone, where it can't fail but also can't succeed.