AI as God, Deepfakes, and Consciousness | John Lennox

[@Mrguy-ds9lr]

I love me some john lennox! He is the perfect mixture of grace and force. Thats the kind of debater and counselor i want to be. GOD willing.

[@cellospot]

Orthodox Christian churches around the country have been exploding with new converts in the last couple years, and mostly young men. It's really fascinating. My church alone has more than doubled in size, and we're way out in the boonies!

[@sierragrey7910]

Are these new Christians or Christians who were previously Roman Catholic or Protestant?

[@williamoarlock8634]

Last Christian I spoke to bleated 'find a safespace' at me. Says it all about shutting yourselves off from reality.

[@beksinski]

Do you think this represents a significant demographic shift? Churches in general? It's hard to get clean numbers on such things.

[@jayluss]

My church is more Protestant, and it’s blowing up as well, and we’re in the heart of Portland, Oregon. People are turning to God in droves, it’s amazing.

[@matthewwhiteside9991]

​@@williamoarlock8634What is??

[@carbonbasedunit3422]

Josh Anderson and John Lennox are a wonderful and powerful combination. I'm so glad this conversation is preserved forever for our great benefit. Thank you both.

[@TruthIsFreedom7777]

As Jesus said "where your treasure is there your heart will be also" So yes, it's quite possible for AI to be a defacto god for those who depend on it for all their needs and for amoral direction for their lives

[@Hyperboler]

God does not allow suffering. God allows Life, and Life is part suffering.

[@HopefulAIMusic]

Thanks. I'm upvoting now and will watch tomorrow because it's already late.

[@LongweDominicSinya]

This is real stuff! Tell us more!

[@marksmit8112]

AGI is all AI hype but the God complex mentality inside silicon valley is mind boggling

[@jackrogers1115]

It's great that John Lennox is sat there, dressed all nicely and properly and smartly, but repping a pair of retro-looking Air maxes - come on! - And God bless you, John.

[@NicholasMGlasson]

God bless you all

[@richardchisholm5151]

Mr Lennox mentions CS Lewis in connection with science and faith, (rather than science versus faith). Lewis mentions a moment in time when ‘the mind became more capable of abstraction and analysis.’ The age of science began then. Logic and reason, given pride of place in the scientific project, rejoice at what they find in the Kingdom of Heaven but they are not the means of entry. The task of thinkers like Jordan Peterson and others including (gasp!) French philosophers, is to indicate how and where the key to the Kingdom is to be found, and then logic and reason come into their inheritance - with ‘an angel’s reach of thought’ to use John Henry Newman’s phrase, the human mind enters, and reflects upon, realms and realities hitherto closed to it. Food for real thought, at last!

[@chadjcrase]

I take from your comment that you are against hyper-rationality...is that fair? I am a fan of Ayn Rand to many extents; she was at least more innocent in her hyper-rationality than someone like Peterson, who is rather fleeting in his rationality. Ayn at least had her own narrative.

[@richardchisholm5151]

I haven’t come across the expression ‘hyper-reality’ before, but it strikes me that if strict adherence to the rules of reason and logic (rationalism) constitute a prison for the mind, then hyper-rationalism is a high-security prison. The capacity of faith to release us from such a restricted life is placed before the believer in Scripture: ‘Peter, bound with two chains, was sleeping between two soldiers, while guards in front of the door were keeping watch over the prison. Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and said to Peter, “Get up quickly.” And the chains fell off his wrists. The angel said to him,” Wrap your cloak around you and follow me.” Peter went out and followed him.’ (Acts of the Apostles Ch. 12) ‘bound with two chains.’ The two chains are time and space. ‘between two soldiers.’ The two soldiers are logic and reason when promoted above their station to a rank they do not merit. ‘guards in front of the door… keeping watch,’ These guards stand sentinel over the human heart, determined to prevent the word of God from taking root there. They are myths, legends, superstitions, Old Wives tales, philosophies, the fashionable opinions of every Age, the isms ( among them rationalism) and issues that colonise the minds of so many in our time. All of these constitute the Labyrinth of Greek mythology. Well, faith is not exactly everyone’s cup of tea these days, I get that, but it is mine. As has been pointed out, it, (faith) is ‘ wholly supernatural and its exercise leads us into the supernatural order.’ I like it there, I like what I find there, and I take great delight in listening to the conversation of those who speak out of lived experience of that order. Podcasts such as John Anderson’s constitute the Samizdat of our time.

[@qPolakq]

Professor John Lennox is a very interesting thinker. Thank you for this conversation!

[@honeytherat2017]

Humble, brilliant man of God. Thank you so much for this interview.

[@ChrisOgunlowo]

Excellent conversation. John Lennox is brilliant and insightful as ever.

[@user-ch4ex3yy4l]

Love Lennox!

[@truincanada]

Looks practical. Remember when one gets older while carrying weight the extra cushioning power of the sneaker aids immensely in comfortable parambulation ! Love the look!😊

[@karenkline7221]

To me, science is the tool we use to figure out how God made things.

[@frankmoylan7168]

"We thought that when Christianity had been removed, that Atheism would takeover, and that's not true, polytheism has taken over. Every person has their own God or is their own God." Wow!

[@TheAtticradio]

Christianity removed ? Pardon ?

[@frankmoylan7168]

@@TheAtticradio direct quote from Lennox in this podcast.

[@lesmotley6839]

The statement only rings true in western society. Islam is taking over in the religious space and due to socialism taking control in our universities people have become hedonistic, particularly women.

[@MrMonikura]

One cryptonite in declaring yourself god... we age and die.

[@merrybolton2135]

A short step to Rational critical thinking .

[@akpaul9883]

CHRIST IS LORD💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

[@lesgillard985]

Yes Jesus is The Lord sent by God the Father, who is The Lord Almighty. 🎉

[@lesmotley6839]

But only to those who believe in him. He seems to be in the minority now.

[@lesgillard985]

@lesmotley6839 You are right mate. If you don't have the Son ( Jesus) you don't have The Father ( God the Father, ). Remember minorities can grow. 😃

[@Obeytheroadrules]

What does the A stand for in AI ?

[@PeterbFree]

Good point

[@rm2h]

Artificial 😊

[@Obeytheroadrules]

@@rm2h exactly

[@myreddays]

I thought he'd been killed in NY by a lone gunman

[@Musicmyvideo]

AI is 666

[@gmcq8623]

Another excellent interview and discussion. Profoundly thought-provoking and helpful.

[@boombeesharkful]

Fantastic! I love the discussion about reason / revelation and describing how people think they are in conflict (when they are not).

[@mdmm1010]

they well never know YOU HAVEN TO KNOW THE KEY OF SYSTEM OF UNIVERSEL

[@anabegins7349]

We thank the Lord for such great minds and souls. God bless you.

[@ricardofolive]

This man is a giant of our faith

[@MartinHindenes]

Alex O Connor is suffering from being smart enough to recognize that either atheism or Christianity could technically be true, while he has the ability to persuade himself of any truth he likes through his deep reasoning and arguments. So him not believing in Christianity is a choice on his part. Hyperfocus on the details you dislike or don't understand, and you can disbelieve anything you want.

[@honeytherat2017]

Maranatha

[@chopincam-robertpark6857]

Another Great One John. At your best.

[@johnschuh8616]

Many years ago, I read a comment that has stuck with me, which is We cannot read the Greek philosophers except through a Christian prism. I include the Islamists, for I reject their origins story, Islamism is a warriors faith, which sees Jesus ,such as did the German Warriors who chose Arianismm and whose success until the resurgence Of of East Rome was equally spectacular and unmiraculous as that of the Arabs, If Justinian’s had not been stopped by what seems to be a world wide catastrophe, which also affected Persia. almost was ,much. No doubt in my mind that tewifr would have been no Arab Empire.

[@chadjcrase]

Well said. People really do underestimate the influence of Greek philosophy on New Testament Christianity in particular. Tom Holland, of all people, should be more alert to that possibility. Stoicism flourishes in Christian teachings and the Cynics to some extent.

[@RickDelmonico]

Wisdom is about the alignment of what actually happens not what we wish to happen. Hope is the foundation we stand on when everything around us begins to shake. The end result of politicized law enforcement is democide. Law is more closely related to morality. Grace and mercy are more closely related to ethics. Nature always takes away everything it promises, only God keeps his promises. There are tragedies that can't be avoided and there are triumphs that can't be ignored. The molecular machinery of life is liquid crystals playing quantum jazz. Liberty is not just a game, it's the only game that matters. A complaint lives in a spectrum from politely pointing out a flaw to becoming the self proclaimed voice of reason. The word 'evolution' has blinded many to the miracle of existence. Something from nothing, energy from nowhere, and order from chaos is not an explanation.

[@craigwillms61]

Truth is not static and it's not always absolute, but it is definitely real. When people say "that's my truth" there is something to it. This is particularly "true" when fear is the subject.

[@ldevon2318]

So great!

[@LongweDominicSinya]

I wish we could hear and say more of this in our Church settings!

[@gregpfaffe4098]

They have church softball… but some live their lives with eternity in view; I believe

[@Mevlinous]

@@gregpfaffe4098 do you think Jesus’ teachings were repetitive and dull, or fresh and relevant? That’s one problem with a Church which the left brain has come up with. A church of the known, yet god isn’t in the known. That’s why we search and seek.

[@rebereb3593]

Choosing to believe in the Christian God is surely the beginning of becoming a Christian for some people. If God is drawing them to Himself and they meet with the Lord Jesus Christ and have a personal relationship with Him, then they will be a Christian.

[@akpaul9883]

If you agree that atheism is likely false give this a like!

[@KevinSolway]

Without a clear definition of the term "God" it's impossible to know what atheism would be.

[@ScourgeTaught]

My dude, probability is just order that we don't perceive. God is real.

[@KevinSolway]

@@ScourgeTaught "God is real". Define what you mean by "God", otherwise what you say is meaningless. I agree that probability is just order that we don't perceive. All things happen because they are caused to happen. All of our thoughts and so-called "choices" happen because they are caused to happen.

[@hooligan9794]

Quantum physicists would disagree that probability is just order we don't perceive. God is real, I hear you say. Ok. Praise Thor!

[@ALavin-en1kr]

I will not only give it a like, I will make a comment. Atheism or materialism is false as so far it has a little knowledge of the elemental world and based on that it extrapolates the elemental to be the nature and sum total of reality. There is the hard problem of consciousness for philosophy, and mind? Is it elemental emerging with quantum events? Atheists are basing their theory on limited information. Usually in science the method is not to be dogmatic about anything but atheists are not following that play book. The definition of religion is; that to which we are bound; it is the nature of reality and all there is. Consciousness; Mind; elements have been named God. If atheists believe that none of this exists then what world are they living in? A world of consciousness; mind; and elements that is created by elements is magical thinking and defies rationality.

[@NandKumar-qq3xk]

Life's age as 100 years everage then exten loon loong 1000 years is not possiable by modern medical science" ancient times it was possiable" Super Humans era"

[@Rimpilskin]

My theory is that ai can only ever perceive its own reality in 2 dimensions. Hence has no ability to understand let alone manipulate our reality. just as a gun is not at fault, This to will be a smoking gun for us to blame for our feelings.

[@MrMonikura]

Fighting for the Soul of America. Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic. 2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority. Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words). This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power. Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible. For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken. However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?

[@NandKumar-qq3xk]

Transmission of seeds naturaly have kinds of track air flying to animals through" and Scientist must devoloped distant frome native land and nature of native needs every one of new generations" Parental nature ?

[@KevinSolway]

Lennox is completely wrong about "the laws of Nature". "The laws of Nature" is not legal language. They are Natural laws. They are inherent in the system.

[@MarkPatmos]

Why are there laws in nature?

[@KevinSolway]

@@MarkPatmos I would say that cause and effect is a law of Nature. Change is a law of Nature. Interdependence is a law of Nature. Logic is a law of Nature.

[@MarkPatmos]

@@KevinSolwayYou seem to believe in a lot of 'laws' in nature if everything is self-forming and emergent without design

[@KevinSolway]

@@MarkPatmos "Why are there laws in nature?" All around you, and inside of you.

[@MarkPatmos]

@@KevinSolwayI think you are confused about what word 'why' means

[@theomnisthour6400]

I find it hilarious that those of little faith can't grok that God created AI long before his AI children created organic AI

[@Orlando-Braga]

Thank You (both) for this video.

[@DorotheaJacob-c5s]

Hernandez Timothy Rodriguez Patricia Smith Brian

[@FitzGeraldBurgess-g6o]

Miller Jason Anderson Carol Anderson Jennifer

[@JordanArno-l7x]

Davis Jose Clark Cynthia Lopez Margaret

[@Mevlinous]

AI literally cannot be god, if you understand what god is. Ai could be viewed as some kind of superbeing, but god isn’t a super being, God is existence itself.

[@robertholland7558]

If anything AI would look at us humans as “God”, it’s creator, long after AI has replaced humanity.

[@Mevlinous]

@@robertholland7558 You are more right than you realise. God exists outside our perception. These AI’s have no conscious experience. They exist as a kind of thought process. Their conception of us is merely a projection within its thought process. To us God is similarly transcendent, seemingly inaccessible. Yet God also has the value of immediate and imminent closeness, closer than our mental space which possesses a detached object subject division.

[@robertholland7558]

@@Mevlinous the Annunaki?

[@Mevlinous]

@@robertholland7558 I’ve heard of that, never looked into it as it seemed a little tongue in cheek, like flat earth. But no. God cannot be ‘the Annunaki’ or any other being you could point to or label. An ‘Annunaki’ would still be a PART of this universe. God cannot be a part.

[@robertholland7558]

@@Mevlinous read the book of Enoch. Conveniently left out of the Bible. The universe is undefinable, so referring to it as “God” is false. We exist in a 3 dimensional, 5 senses universe, extremely limiting our ability of perception of anything beyond that. Only those that achieve the rare state of transcendence meditation have the slightest insight.

[@theomnisthour6400]

Humans playing at being gods was always part of the plan, demonstrating the virtue of humility that even God had to learn the hard way by waking up as a human Messiah

[@chadjcrase]

You're right; that is integral and this latest hubris of Transhumanism is just the latest reiteration of playing God.

[@theomnisthour6400]

@@chadjcrase It's the modern way of turning humanity into pillars of salt, only this time pillars of silicon and graphene implants

[@MrMonikura]

Fighting for the Soul of America. Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic. 2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority. Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words). This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power. Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible. For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken. However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?

[@zapcat4194]

A long time ago, someone might have asked..." Do you think that Christianity will replace our belief in our Viking gods?.......Gods come and go with changing societies. Man's propensity for inventing new gods, lives on

[@stuartwilliams5212]

And Christ is one of those inventions? Lennox just said we are moving back into polytheism (e.g., Norse gods). Does that strike you as Hegelian synthesis or perhaps people who have not done the hard work to understand the problem and are trying something already rejected thousands of years ago.

[@harlowcj]

You can always find men in history who attempted to deify themselves. And it never ends well for them. Just because it's now becoming mainstream doesn't mean this version is a new invention. It just means that now it will end badly for lots of people.

[@zapcat4194]

I don't believe that Christ was an actual invention. He may have actually existed. However, people's willingness to believe that a man named Christ was some sort of magical messenger, and the manipulated stories which were spread regarding his life, are what caused the propagation of the Christian sect. My original point was intended to provoke thought about mankind's tendency for inventing gods and eventual religious belief systems......Delving into a discussion on Hegelianism would be way above my abilities.

[@rm2h]

@@zapcat4194he appears in history and the survival of the Jews p😊😊 proves it.

[@JungleJargon]

Al is the image of a monster.

[@siemhaa]

every 5 mins an ad...unwatchable

[@crockmans1386]

Nope. Min 17.02 : wrong mr mathematician Lennox. science is not limited. Our human understanding of it is limited. And .... The childs question? Answer : oh, easy, god made us. That is an answer? Seriously?

[@wizzzone]

What is science?

[@Alexroberts666]

0:16 *Those* shoes, with *that* suit?

[@romanumeralz]

G

[@chadjcrase]

Nice to know I'm not the only one who notices shoes in interviews! 😄

[@ldevon2318]

A legend in the flesh.

[@user-oi9iz9jr8y]

Great conversation John

[@chadjcrase]

'2084' is a very good book and Lennox is much better when he talks about his own brilliant books instead of just repeating the C.S. Lewis apologisms ad nauseum. The last ten minutes is a pretty good discussion, at least. Generally, I don't think Lewis is even close to Hume's level and I still don't get his point about the laws.

[@harlowcj]

So you accept Hume's argument that there is no justification for rationality or logic under his worldview? A Humean point Lennox makes frequently?

[@chadjcrase]

@@harlowcj No, I don't accept that argument at all; that is another one I still don't get even after watching many interviews with Professor Lennox. I respect Hume's practical approach to miracles, whereas many times it feels to me that Lewis is just making an argument that sounds good to justify a latterly gained Christian faith, which at times seems a bit too contingent.

[@harlowcj]

@@chadjcrase Where did Hume go wrong in his argument then? Afaik no philosopher has provided a justification for rationality or logic in a disteleological universe. So what do you perceive this justification to be? You can find Hume's argument in his work "A Treatise of Human Nature".

[@chadjcrase]

@@harlowcj It's a while since I read any Hume, but although I love philosophy I don't like to discuss through other people's words, I would rather know that you think. I don't believe it is a disteleological Universe though. I haven't seen that word - 'disteleological' before, but it's a good one. I believe, somewhat along the lines of William Lane Craig, that God is a mind...or consciousness. Therefore, there is no disconnect between what we think of as good, true, beautiful, evil etc. and what God thinks.

[@harlowcj]

@@chadjcrase I see, so you reject Christianity, but accept some form of deism? My opinion is that you cannot justify things like rationality or logic without the nature of reality itself being rational and logical. Some call it a presuppositional argument. It seems a bit silly to call that an argument for God in and of itself, but it's on the shoulders of those who wish to dismiss God to provide a different justification. But it doesn't sound like that's a problem for you. I would reject Hume's argument for miracles, because it assumes that no rational being formulated and sparked what we call natural laws into existence. And if a rational being is powerful enough to create a universe, that being certainly is powerful enough to introduce events to that universe that are "extra" from these natural laws if it so desires.

[@G0ldfingers]

In a materialistic world you will be miserable, you can only be happy in this world by helping others and living in a community, that values truth, the materialistic world leads to selfishness, the individual's needs over everyone else.

[@lesmotley6839]

I don't think that is entirely true. I know a lot of wealthy people who are generally quite happy and I have known others who have devoted their lives for others and they seemed to me to be quite unhappy. The meaning of life is different for everyone. A materialistic world doesn't determine your happiness.

[@adrianramirez8955]

There are different levels of happiness Anybody in the world can be happy either having their basic needs meet ot having the human love around them True Joy is when we share our life with others by walking the extra mile Sometimes a Little bit of love goes a long way The Real Live that God offers to us and the Love that comes out of us after He had change our life's and making New Creatures in this big Universe, is what making thirst True happiness is to let our light shine to other with real Love and unselfish kindness Love is the answer for true happiness ( Joy ) ​@@lesmotley6839

[@MrMonikura]

Fighting for the Soul of America. Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic. 2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority. Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words). This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power. Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible. For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken. However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?

[@philharris5848]

Like all theists, John expounds endless supernatural assertions each one more ridiculous than the one before. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. God, which is only an abstract concept, exists purely in the mind of a Believer.

[@billwalton4571]

You can choose to believe it and act like it is real without the evidence you require. I know you wouldn't apply that to anything else in life but Christianity is the best way of life for all of mankind to live by.

[@tomgreene1843]

What is supernatural ?

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

No AI will not replace God. This is because AI will be real whereas there is no evidence to support anything supernatural and many of the claims of religious texts have been empirically demonstrated to be false.

[@paulthiele3102]

Near Death Experiences are plentiful evidence of the supernatural.

[@uberwayz]

God is superior to us, whilst AI is inferior.

[@harlowcj]

Many would disagree that AI is inferior. You have to be capable of critical abstract thought to realize the truth of this. And that skill has always been in short supply.

[@bertrandrussell894]

How on earth do you replace something that wasn't there to begin with?

[@KevinSolway]

Without clear definitions of what is meant by the word "God", or "Natural", the whole conversation is meaningless.

[@ScourgeTaught]

It's because you're blind and deaf. Jesus Christ created you before the foundation of the world to do good works.

[@KevinSolway]

@@ScourgeTaught What do you mean by "Jesus Christ"? Is "Jesus Christ" identical to "God", to you? If people were created to do good works, then why are they always doing bad works?

[@MarkPatmos]

Jesus said if you really know me you know the Father

[@MarkPatmos]

@@KevinSolway"For by grace you have been saved though faith. And this is not your own doing: it is the gift of God, not a result of works,so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8

[@KevinSolway]

@@MarkPatmos "Jesus said if you really know me you know the Father" You need to define what you mean by "Father" or "God", or your words are meaningless.

[@johnpine9945]

First comment thankyou Very good

[@cellospot]

Christianity is about spirituality and you have to look at the history and teachings in the Bible from a spiritual POV, not a materialistic one. Richard Dawkins and Alex O'Connor are both materialists who worship their own intellect. That's why Christianity doesn't make sense to them.

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

How dare we demand logic and physical evidence for our beliefs, right? That’s so boring and believing in magical fantasy is fun!

[@chadjcrase]

You're right. I like Dawkins, he does seem to have a compass for the non-literal meanings, but materialism is certainly not the best path to follow.

[@wizzzone]

Indeed. The purely science-fixated, materialistic viewpoint does not really yield much explanatory power to phenomena outside the boundaries of science, yet many people blinded by their apparent intellectual prowess tend to become prisoners of their own rationality and fail to see that the mechanistic description of the world is unable to capture the meaning and purpose of experiences that are profound and self-evident to any human consciousness but impossible to describe within a scientific framework, except for some vague explanations of brain chemistry or such which ironically in the end amount to similar explanatory power as saying it's "magic". To add to the irony, we humans are not even as rational as we would like to think, as a lot of our decisions and viewpoints are heavily influenced by our personal history and interrelated emotional context. This effect can be also seen in many an atheist who seem to possess irrationally "holy" hatred towards any non-materialistic interpretations of the world.

[@user-wx6pf2bc2r]

Ultimate clown

[@MarkPatmos]

Everything emerged and self-formed without any purpose or design, I wonder why that's not a firm foundation for a belief system?

[@Mevlinous]

Because the dissatisfaction of a nihilistic life reflects one half of a return to true meaning, a necessary gateway if you will.

[@MarkPatmos]

@@MevlinousSo true meaning is there is no objective meaning, are you sure that is true?

[@Mevlinous]

@@MarkPatmos meaning is found on the other side of the meaningless. All is subjective. Objective reality is an hallucination. Confusing the map for the territory. To find meaning one needs to stop seeking for it outside of oneself.

[@MarkPatmos]

@@Mevlinous Those are objective statements so I guess you do believe in objective meaning.

[@harlowcj]

No bigger contradiction than the belief one has obtained rationality in a disteleological universe.

[@EatRawGarlic]

"What was god doing on a cross?" Well, apparently despite being almighty and all (and thus all-knowing), he didn't foresee (or took for granted) that the pinnacle of his creation could and would do things he didn't want them to do, but rather than preventing it from happening and going for a root cause solution, he sacrificed himself to himself on a Roman torture device, got revived by himself (thereby essentially becoming a zombie), as that somehow retroactively fixes this design flaw (but only if you believe in it). And when certain Christians tell you about this - not at all convoluted - story, they look like emotional 4 year old girls who just got a puppy for Christmas for some reason. This story is just as nonsensical as the woke doctrine.

[@harlowcj]

What story is sensical to you? The "we are all the product of a cosmic accident" multiverse story?

[@EatRawGarlic]

@@harlowcj I'm not familiar with that specific story. In general, stories that aren't internally contradicting make more sense than those that do not.

[@harlowcj]

@@EatRawGarlic Then what story makes the most sense to you?

[@EatRawGarlic]

@@harlowcj For example, there's a story about the expansion of the universe, nicely supported by the amount of redshift of celestial bodies relative to their distance to the observer. There's another story about how mutations can influence the chances of organisms passing on their genes depending on selection pressures in the environment. Something which can even be demonstrated to work in a Petri dish, and supported by fossils and genetics. Stories like these you mean?

[@harlowcj]

​@@EatRawGarlicSure, I'm pretty sure Lennox agrees with all of that. So where does your story differ? Where does this expansion come from? How many natural laws do you need to get a universe where chemistry that leads to biology is possible? Do you have a story for that? Lennox and I are both far more interested in the meta story than we are in this level of story telling.

[@Bruce-ph9nq]

All concepts and their referents in material reality must ultimately rest on fundamental axioms. That is, they must all reduce to irreducible primaries that sit at the base of human knowledge. Axioms are a fundamental fact of reality that can’t be analyzed further, they cannot be broken down into smaller parts, or be proven within a larger framework. They are the base of the totality and permeate at every level. They are inescapable because any attempt to deny them requires their use in the act of the denial. The axioms are: existence, consciousness, and identity which is the form existence takes. The problem with belief in god lies in the contradiction that consciousness is conscious prior to existence. Since god by definition is the creator of everything then his awareness precedes an existence of anything to be conscious of. If nothing exists then there is nothing to be conscious of. A consciousness conscious of nothing isn’t conscious and is impotent to create a universe. I have found no way to resolve this contradiction short of evading it or abandoning it.

[@thierryf2789]

When you use reason to read the bible ( which one by the way because there are different bibles for different Christian faiths?), you read it as a historical document written and edited, then selected, assembled and ordered by different people at different times in specific historical circumstances with different ideologies and theologies, with crucial borrowings from Egyptian, Phoenician, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian and Hellenistic religions and cultures. It is strange that a scientist should consider this book that comes in different versions as anything other than a historical artefact. When it comes to Christianity itself, obviously their understanding of what this all means has also evolved over time so why one would you choose?

[@billybobwombat2231]

I spent 20 odd years happily calling myself an atheist, it was a healthy time for me, cleaned my head out of religious dogma and freed me to spend the rest of my time on my own personal spiritual journey, their is much healthy spiritual freedom to be experienced outside of mainstream religious thought, religion needs you more than you need it.

[@MrMonikura]

Fighting for the Soul of America. Immediately, Woke agenda administrated into all govt. institution and public sectors. By passing "we the people" public information and understanding the significant effects and practicality of Woke agenda. Unknown, unchecked, unproven, undetected intentionally in replacing and reshaping America's Christian fundamentals tradition. Once in power Woke agenda spontaneously spread throughout all Western culture, in a combine coordinated Govt. effort worldwide promoting Woke Indoctrination: LBGTQ/DEI/Gaypride/Atheism/Racialtheory/BLM/Greens/Feminist/Abortions/MarxismIslamic. 2024 looking back learning and understanding now the negative effect we experienced... we the people judge Woke agenda is a lie, therefore revealing its unfairness and impracticality moral inferiority to our traditional Judeo-Christian principles ethics and values attributing to God's Moral Authority. Those unelected elites who hide in the shadow, knowing this monstrous Woke doctrine obviously crafted by those Woke university corrupt philosophers. Deceptively counterfeiting human rights/equal rights aligned to Wokeism. Then those clever elites using our value against us redefining right from wrong, good from bad (changing the weights and measures of Biblical scales: changing and meaning of words). This was a coordinated Woke global effort. Mass immigration open boarders 20 million aliens changing the demographic ratio in America population in intent to re-shape American, by granting them citizenship making them eligible to vote to remain in power. I shock and in diss-belief the low levels and length the party will act to remain in power. Seem's now the party allegiance and interest unto itself, everything else is tolerated as long as they remain in power. Trump exposed and revealing what wrong with America today. When that assassinate attempt happened... The World witness a miraculous Miracle, the Hand of God spared Trump life... if Trump victory become the next US President: this is an act of God continue mercy and blessing towards America and the world Christian community. Answer to prayer and blessing to good people around the world living righteous God-fearing lives. A sense of return to normality, giving us all a bit more time and preparation of what have been foretold incoming fulfillment of the Holy Scripture. Warning terrible days foreseen ahead, great persecution and tribulation targeting many Christians. State of Israel fights alone: Almighty God will defend and fight for Israel. Revelation last book of the Holy Bible. For now, we are in a fight to retain control of the ship command post, in which the former captain has capitates to mutiny by its own crew. Now the mutiny crew are in command steering the direction of the ship sailing path. But the mutiny crew on watch has coming to end of their term in commanding the ship, and are once again up for re-election by their passangers to be allowed to stay and continue or vacate position the passengers have spoken. However, if they lose by vote; the mutiny crew have no choice but to surrender command, making way for the next captain and team to take control and command. The ship’s election is conducted by the millions of passengers aboard, a majority vote win victory, declares which teams and captain takes over command of the Ship Helm (what direction and path the Ship follows). Weather forecast and navigational warning: uncharted dangerous turbulent stormy seas ahead!?

[@PB-mp4rt]

What a ridiculous silly infantile comment! I always wonder at the sanity of those who go around saying that they don't believe in something that doesn't exist!

[@TheConservativeClearinghouse]

How familiar are you with the Holy Bible?

[@billybobwombat2231]

@TheConservativeClearinghouse enough to know its a poor spiritual guide book compared to what spiritual understanding is available from our natural world, if one cares to make that journey.

[@sjurdurkjv]

Intelligent design is a false doctrine. Adam is is Jesus´ literal genealogy in Luke 3, and Enoch was literally the seventh from Adam; therefore Adam was literally the first man created. We are given many overlapping genealogies in the Bible, and can make a timeline that shows that Adam lived about 6000 years ago. The gap theory is also false, because Jesus said in Matthew 19:4-5 that God created Adam “at the beginning”, and in the creation account those words only occur in connection with the heaven and the earth; so day six was also at the beginning, and the beginning had to be a short time space, that is six literal days. Be a Bible believer, and honour God, lest you be a false teacher leaving folk suspended between the devil´s Darwin and God. I don´t give a thripence for any professor, unless he speak the words of God.

[@heatfield4243]

Much like Donald Trump, Mr. Lennox keeps on losing and is not aware. He has lost every public debate on this topic.

[@harlowcj]

Meanwhile Lennox vs Dawkins is one of the most lopsided debates of all time. Who do you think "beat" Dr. Lennox? So I can go watch it and laugh at your inability to comprehend the points.

[@alschneider5420]

There is no god.