Challenging how you see bullying in East Asia in 25 minutes

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Bullying in East Asia is a big deal, and the rates of bullying there might even be the worst in the world. At least - that's what we've come to think. But there is more to this story than meets the eye. And no one is talking about it.
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1:30 How East Asia understands bullying
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3:58 A history of bullying + cases
12:33 Comparing bullying in East Asia to the West
17:31 Addressing the perception gap
23:08 Conclusion
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Detailed references & my thoughts!
All the papers I read in researching this video were so eye opening but if I could only recommend two (I couldn't cut this down to one) it would be Wong and Ahuvia's paper on interpreting social events and Rappleye and Komatsu's paper in examining the bias exhibited in international reports on bullying in East Asia. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh when I told you my jaw dropped at both their findings and conclusions !!! And of course the PISA/OECD reports are all down below if you want to see the data for yourself!
Academic references
Ji, L., Zhang, W. and Jones, K. Children’s experience of and attitudes towards bullying and victimization: A cross-cultural comparison between China and England. In: Smith PK, Kwak K, Toda Y, eds. School Bullying in Different Cultures: Eastern and Western Perspectives. Cambridge University Press; 2016:170-188.
Kanetsuna, T. (2016). Comparisons between English bullying and Japanese ijime. Cambridge University Press eBooks, pp.153-169. doi:doi.org/10.1017/cbo9781139410....
Koo, H., Kwak, K., & Smith, P. K. (2008). Victimization in Korean schools: The nature, incidence, and distinctive features of Korean bullying or wang-ta. Journal of School Violence, 7(4), 119-139. doi.org/10.1080/1538822080197...
Morris, M.W. and Peng, K. (1994). Culture and cause: American and Chinese attributions for social and physical events. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 67(6), pp.949-971. doi:doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.67.....
Rappleye, J. and Komatsu, H. (2020). Is bullying and suicide a problem for East Asia’s schools? Evidence from TIMSS and PISA. Discourse: Studies in the Cultural Politics of Education, 41(2), pp.310-331. doi:doi.org/10.1080/01596306.2020....
Zhang, W., Chen, L. and Chen G. Research on school bullying in mainland China. In: Smith PK, Kwak K, Toda Y, eds. School Bullying in Different Cultures: Eastern and Western Perspectives. Cambridge University Press; 2016:113-132.
Other References
2018 PISA report
www.oecd-ilibrary.org. (n.d.). Home. [online] Available at: www.oecd-ilibrary.org//sites/...
2022 PISA report
Schleicher, A. (2023). Programme for International Student Assessment Insights and Interpretations PISA 2022. [online] Available at: www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202022.... Pp.55-57
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[@aini_]

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[@dzm7443]

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[@alexandersumarokov5901]

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[@LordMacGyver13]

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[@kostis9081]

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[@arielyuille4472]

Rebuttal: I don't normally comment, the idea that they got the Definity data of bullying can be so easily mis-interrupted or poorly gathered, i think the common heuristic that in Asian countries such a china, japan and korea. Its more like than not that people will never answer honestly about bullying and the prevalence will never truly be quantifiable enough to make a accurate assessment of it. My experience in high school dealing with bullies re-enforce this fact, it can happen all the time without the notice teachers, parents and peers.

[@adalovelace521]

Bullying is not an act is a culture, if you look down on someone poorer than you, your child will do the same

[@HanQ28]

It’s classism taken to the extremes. And kids are not immune to it.

[@IshtarNike]

Agreed. However, I think we need a different term because if you use the word bullying in English to cover everything from targeted campaigns of harassment, to just a generalised exclusion of someone considered undesirable it gets confusing and messy. More precision would be helpful, not less.

[@ishathakor]

that is also a culture thing though. like i get what you're saying but looking down on poor people is literally a cultural thing.

[@brighterphantom4530]

@@IshtarNike Don't we have the term isolation/isolating/ignoring. I know these do get grouped under bullying, but they may have been used independently.

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@W385TER96]

It makes sense that the number of victims is smaller, but that is largely because the form of bullying is more collectist. Fewer victims doesn't mean fewer bullies.

[@aini_]

“fewer victims doesn’t mean fewer bullies” i love this point! I was actually looking at bully to victim ratios and Korea and Japan have a higher bully to victim ratio than many countries in the West, though interestingly China had a very low one (hence Collectivism not being a perfect theory accounting for more bullies because you would expect China to be high in this ratio too). I really wonder why this difference exists between Korea + Japan vs China but so far i haven’t come across research explaining this. I would love to hear if anyone had any guesses though thank you for adding to this discussion!

[@andromedamessier3176]

@@aini_ could be a case of unreported incidents. School protected them because of reputation. There is one case of this Chinese boarding highschool in the US. They mostly housed rich troubled Chinese. Their parents just shipped them to that school in the US. If the girl didn’t reported it to police, nothing will be done. The school protected the richest kids cause of money. I think rotten mango, a youtuber made a video on it.

[@Zei33]

⁠@@aini_ this is really thought provoking.

[@Zei33]

@@andromedamessier3176 I don’t think so. China’s a big place, I don’t think many of the people would actually think like that. With the massive population it may just balance things out.

[@HanQ28]

@@aini_Probably because there aren’t a lot of rich kids in Chinese schools. So they can’t really gang up on the poor kids. A lot of Chinese rich kids just go overseas to study in America, England, Australia etc.

[@Alee55520]

The interesting thing about the Korean context is that 왕따 doesn’t mean bully - it’s the person getting bullied. When you talk about the bully, you say they 왕따시키다, or “to make someone else an outcast” rather than “they are a bully.” There’s probably some interesting cultural stuff to unpack with how the language focuses on the victim rather than the perpetrator.

[@aini_]

Great point, 왕따 can also refer to the person being bullied. Since we're on the topic of language and its implicit meanings here are some more interesting points to consider: - The Korean ministry of Education discourages the use of 왕따 because it's not an official term, but other terms like 집단따돌림, 집단괴롭힘 all carry group connotations to bullying, so 왕따 ends up being used in literature as the most similar equivalent to the English word. The Korean terms emphasise group bullying, feeding into the verbiage of "making someone an outcast" as you mentioned - There's a brilliant study done by Lee, Smith and Monks in 2021 looking at the moral reasoning of Korean children when it comes to bullying, and they found that physical group aggression was considered the most harmful and wrong, whilst social exclusion was considered the least harmful and wrong. This finding was consistent with research conducted in the US by Goldstein et al., and I wonder if these attitudes justify bullying in the bullies minds, because a) bullying through ostracising "is not that bad (compared to other forms) and b) victim blaming intensifies if bullying is perpetuated by the majority. And again, these attitudes would feed back into the usage of 왕따 This was a great callout, thank you for adding to the discussion!

[@raymondcasso7966]

Wait does Korea not have a word for this? In some western languages we have a word for this type of behavior and they are recognized as individuals. However in some western cultures they are given words that make them part of a group. I.e. Hooligans/criminals/ect. The west creates these groups and eventually if they grow big enough they sometimes come to power and we become more independent... and then back to colectives.

[@raymondcasso7966]

@aini_ I know this vid isn't about bullying in the west but in some cultures in the west physical harm was seen as less harmful. The reasoning is that wounds will heal and blood will be replenished but words will can cut deeper than any blade (see Psalms 57:8, Psalms 64:3) for it is told that is sharper than any two edges sword (see Hebrews 4:12). I can personally can see a side to that logic in a how we can use memory to remember verbal abuse far better than if someone was to shove us out of the way one day and we could forget it the next day. Though it might be true that the east(except Philippines) might have less bullying, I would like to know the verbal to physical rational. I'm not one to say which is worse, but I so know that words resonate with me for far longer than anything I've dealt with physically. So I leave you with these words that have resonate with me ever since I've read them when I was a child oh so long ago. "You can never truly kill a man if he lives on in the pages of a book" - Edward Teach (Edit)- I hope I have fixed all my spelling mistakes :-]

[@soupydoopie07]

@@raymondcasso7966i’d say the most similar word i’ve encountered in korean in “일진“ (iljin) which has a similar meaning to being a delinquent or kinda like a rough kid (although i’m not a native so do take this with a grain of salt)

[@SiriProject]

@@aini_ A heavily definitional approach to these topics is actually a detriment of most KZbin essays. The word in origin might have a different frame of a phenomenon, but in lived experience all cases of said behavior exist. Bullying in the "West" also is always a collective phenomenon, you can easily tell if you had been bullied.

[@jigglycarollo805]

I've always heard that when it comes to Japan: The crime rate is low, but the crimes that do happen are the most heinous. And I think that's pretty visible in that low rate of bullying, but the public perception of it being worse. Because when it happens, it's so much worse than what we understand. We think of getting stuffed into lockers, meanwhile these kids are getting psychological torture.

[@HikoRoone]

Yeah, that could be the case. Anybody notice how the scandinavian countries have the most horrifying crime thrillers? Similarly, it could be that its so uncommon that the only cases that get any attention are the extreme ones, (or somethjng like that, i dont remember)

[@AIIIAKS-vn4co]

> The crime rate is low, but the crimes that do happen are the most heinous Because Japan has less crime, so those serious crimes would only stand out. For example, if a similar crime happened in Mexico, no one would care.

[@HereComesThePaine]

There's bullying being reported, and then there's bullying that ain't. We only see the superficial surface level of things, we don't know the horrors underneath.

[@lesliejordan9620]

​@@AIIIAKS-vn4co I love how you mentioned Mexico since a kid (primary school) got beaten to death by his clasmates and it didn't become a national concern.

[@paulszki]

I lived in japan for a year about 10 years ago. 1. While I was on my bike, a taxi driver would overtake me on the road and immediately hit the brakes. That felt very intentional. Possibly accident insurance scam. Luckily I was paying attention. 2. I got scam-called once or twice by people acting like they new me, probably trying to get me to send them money. 3. Someone stole my bike (non touristy area, way up north in Kyoto). 4. There are people who will try and lure unsuspesting tourists/foreigners into really expensive bars purposefully trying to obfuscate the true cost of staying at said bar, probably costing several hundreds of dollarsfor a couple drinks. (I obviously never went.) 5. While chilling on the river side with friends and classmates, a guy from some other group a good 10 meters away suddenly got really angry and unhinged and kicked a guy, who was still lying on his back, in the head with full force. No idea why but it was completely out of the blue and the victim might as well have taken permanent damage from it. Just imagine yourself kicking someone, who is lying down, in the head with full force. What would make you do that? 6. I had a traffic accident (bike) because some girl decided do jump backwards onto the bike lane. I got harassed by the police for it, assuming it must have been my fault and the mother of the girl tried to get me to pay for the ambulance for something that, again, was clearly not my fault. I don't think any of these incidents appear on any criminal statistic. Either because they're not really a crime or because it didn't get reported. Rather, my point is, there are clearly people in Japan who don't have the best of intentions. And if they can get away with it, no harm in trying. Japan is not, somehow, magically, the land of benevolence and peace as if people with a sociopathic disorder can't be born there. It's merely the land of surface level politeness. Obviously, like the rest of the world, most people in japan are well-meaning. But a lot of people naively assume that Japan is somehow the world capital of pleasantness and good feelings. Nope, it's just another country. If you're unlucky and/or not careful, you can have an absolutely bad time there getting absolutely scammed, stolen from etc. and you will get no help from the police because it's not like they can catch the thief for you and if they don't record your crime, then it's not on the statistic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And at the core of it, is just that as long as you stay within the rules (law and societal), you can be as mean and horrible as you want. That or you're sure the police won't bother because your target is a foreigner, or a homeless dude or some other unworthy individual. And it's not like the Japanese movies, tv-shows, books etc. are lying to you or themselves about it. Just watch any high school anime or J-Drama, play Persona or the Yakuza games. (Of course there is some dramatization). It's not like Japan is delusional about it's own issues. They are absolutely aware of them. It's really just naive westerners thinking Japan is run bei giggling Geishas or whatever.

[@genepozniak]

In the US, bullying among males is primarily physical, though they use humiliation on the Internet; while it's relational among females, who also add such humiliation on the Internet. Studies of bullying have mostly been focused on males because adults can easily understand violence, while relational bullying is (or was) considered too complicated to deal with.

[@GregXHunterz]

I think a lot of relational bullying has to do with detecting subtleties, which is very hard to detect. Even the most gruesome forms of violence are not hard to miss, but microaggressions and expressions are hard to detect because it is easy to act. You'd need to really dedicate yourself to studying subtleties in order to see them clearly, which even then still messes up your brain if you trick yourself into thinking you saw something else. In my experience, even the men are using subtle language to dish out insults nowadays.

[@dj.girlswholgirls]

u dont live in current decade

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@prismpyre7653]

that's not true at all-- boys bully with words and emotional abuse all the time-- and girls fight, too

[@genepozniak]

@@ville__ That was the most random comment I've ever received. 😳

[@MrGillb]

relational bullying isn't even acknowledged in the US, you just mysteriously get denied opportunities and people tell you to just try harder.

[@deltasaves]

There's a lot of that and it's never spoken of in Western countries. Workplace bullying I've experienced in being a new included a lot of my preceptor just "forgetting" to tell me VERY important things and then continues on never giving me a real report on the unit. She doesn't do thing with everyone, just me. That's being a bully as well. I think in all places it's about the same percentage if we broaden what bullying really should include.

[@Wnuzel]

@@deltasavesreport her

[@deltasaves]

@@Wnuzel I have and personally confronted her as well. She didn't like me from day one I've called it out since. I was bullied in grade school and know all the tricks. She's mean to a lot of people and I don't stand for it at all. I'm also her supervisor and have warned her on her behavior and that it's subordination.

[@cutienerdgirl]

I don't know where you live in the US, but relational bullying is talked about A TON! 💀 I remember my school had peer counseling for relational bullying. Verbal/psychological bullying, especially when it goes from at school to social media, has been talked about PLENTY in western media. I remember my local news stations would constantly talk about reduced mental health in teens due to high social media use. I remember the release of the movie 'Cyberbully' with Emily Osment. 💀

[@deltasaves]

@@cutienerdgirl I would assume you're QUITE younger than me. The person you mention I have 0 clue who that is. Unfortunately, the press and school assemblies about "don't bully each other" have done little to curb the problems. Schools will do nothing when faced with a situation and even blame victims. So until I really hear from kids they can report someone harassing them in school and be believed, it's the same as it was over 20 years ago for me: got beat up over being one of the gew black kids at my school and finally fought back after reporting the 4 boys who made it their mission to make me miserable. School wanted to suspend me. To this day I hear similar stories, unprompted.

[@789julia789]

"Less common" does not mean "less of a problem" though! If 39,4% of kids in the UK report being bullied, isn't being bullied getting so common the victims are barely a minority? Compare that to the isolation of being the only one being bullied in a class, or even in a school. It could definitely be said that getting bullied in a setting where it's rarer would have a larger impact on self-image.

[@hmvollbanane1259]

I think it is also due to cultural differences leading to a different level of reporting. East Asian cultures are infamous for being forced to preserve face, so I highly doubt that their report rate on abuse is anywhere near to that of western countries

[@kora4185]

In the west I realize most classmates would say they were bullied in school but it was often a mutual conflict, unlike Japan where is a whole class against one (though many within the class feel they gotta bully/ignore to not be bullied too). Not to say the west has more perception and conversation around bullying - and mental health, assault, etc. so people talk a lot about it (even sometimes to feel included oddly enough), which doesn’t mean Asia doesn’t have them as much or more, but is more tolerated (or so common one doesn’t even notice unless is ‘radical’)

[@chickenfoot2423]

i think in the uk specifically (obviously this is true in other countries too, but this is my personal experience) there may be many people who consider themselves victims of bullying that others would not agree with or be aware of etc. because theres more casual victims than bullies. being humble and able to 'take a joke' and have no ego is a bigger cultural thing in british high schools than in other places . so a lot of constant verbal bullying goes unnoticed by others- particularly the bullies themselves- because its not understood to be serious or impactful by anyone but the victims. its not thought of as bullying because it happens to so many normal students who must not be seen to take it to heart. you have to be good natured and brush it off immediately with a smile.

[@michellehyman8468]

@@kora4185l

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

I have been bullied and neglected for so long and it legit ruined my life in so many ways I often felt like killing myself n others but I just tolerated and persevered so far. It's a mess here and social dynamics are not what people generally assume, I don't get any support in such individualistic society from my own family, people and no surpise we just being taken over and dominated by others with no goodwill for my kind, or maybe I am problem for failing to adapt. I don't even get to talk about this all and can't really expect others to understand how I do but nvm, there always someone worse out there and I try to focus on better side of things now,

[@Lonaticus]

18:30, that's because Korean and Japanese students don't report it. Bullying happens, a lot! I lived in Korea for 5 years and the stuff I've heard from Korean friends who had kids in school and from English teachers in Hagwons is harrowing.

[@andromedamessier3176]

Ye a lot of case go unreported because the schools want to protect their reputation.

[@kairossoteria6215]

bullying is global problem and as someone who lived in europe and korea i would say korea is more concerned about social issues. thats why issues pop up in internet

[@Lonaticus]

@@kairossoteria6215 True. But it's also why it goes massively unreported in Korea. Because the teachers/school are trying to save face.

[@Lol.dllllllllllllrioeh]

In Korea, children are taught every year to report school violence.😅

[@Lonaticus]

@@Lol.dllllllllllllrioeh being taught and doing it... and even moreso, the professors actually taking action instead of sweeping it under the rug, are different things.

[@annagardner1482]

I grew up in Japan and was heavily bullied. I was the only foreign child in the entire city, and happened to be placed in the most vicious class and school. I have lifelong issues with acceptance and confidence thanks to the ijime I experienced. And the reported bully numbers, are so not accurate to reality. Kids are TERRIFIED to report ijime. The few times I reported it, it got so much worse. So. Much. Worse. And anyone getting bullied knows that. The closed classroom environment ensures that the bullies know who reported. They have all the tools needed to retaliate and they do. And my teacher told my parents that I am a liar and need to be punished for my dishonesty. For reporting on how I was bullied. For showing her my destroyed school supplies and ripped clothes. Id like to add that the exclusionary tactics that are prevalent in the schools of Japan are just as ubiquitous in all levels of the society. I will never be accepted. I will never been seen as Japanese, despite being born and raised here and neverbhaving lived anywhere else. Even people who are "allies" will slip up and use exclusionary language when talking about me, because they dont register that it's segregating. I have never been able to explain what I went through well, so thank you for this video. Everything you talked about with the Japanese classroom dynamics is exactly what I suffered for 9 years of compulsory education, and 26 years of life here.

[@23Lgirl]

Most countries are like Japan and you cant change your DNA.

[@themelancholyofgay3543]

wtf, even the teachers are ganging up on you....

[@TheSonOfDumb]

It seems that your parents really screwed you over huh

[@annagardner1482]

@@TheSonOfDumb they by no means meant to, but in essence, yes. They didn't know what to do, and I don't blame them for that. Japan is in no way intuitive or particularly helpful in such circumstances

[@sayfolman7752]

Fight Back, Believe Or Not Most Bullied Are Coward I Can Say This From My Experience After Running Amok With Metal Baseball Bat, At School All Of Them Begging Like A Coward Not To Harm Them You Can Insult Me, You Can Beat Me, But Harm My Little Sister One Year Younger At Same School Is Crossing The Line

[@Josh_Quillan]

I think the fact the PISA survey is about students _self-reporting_ being bullied, rather than _third parties observing_ bullying is 100% the key here and the reason the PISA data is effectively worthless. I taught in Japan for 10 years and everything I understood from my students who were in school, company workers and from the school teachers and managers I taught suggested to me that what I would personally call fully endemic and institutionalised bullying, most Japanese people would just call a normal day at school/work. Even if they weren't being bullied they lived under fear of bullying, making every decision on the basis of what others might think or how they might react. I don't know about your cultural background, Aini, but my observation from living in and observing Japan and trying to understand people's lives was that Japanese people's first reaction to criticism is often to close ranks, conceal and deny the problem and hope people stop asking - we can see this in the industrial scandals at Olympus, Takata, Nissan and others. In the case of Olympus, the whole thing was only exposed when a British executive received a promotion and, having differing cultural values, felt he was obliged to expose the routine, systematic concealment of billions of yen in losses. Carlos Ghosn, taking over Nissan, only saved the company from bankruptcy by ending wasteful practices that Japanese executives chose to ignore or downplay. To me this low bullying rate data is exactly the same thing - institutions burying the problem rather than solving it because that's what they are designed to do. They don't self-report bullying because that is standing out, and invites further hammering down. As someone who was bullied in school, the last thing I wanted was to do something that might make things worse - and a bunch of bullied schoolkids don't understand PISA sampling methodology, they don't trust or understand that data is being handled anonymously, telling someone is telling someone, it's a risk. I doubt anyone is tampering with the data that is reported - but I'm sure that what is or is not reported is at least a bit massaged, if not significantly manipulated before it is handed over to surveyors. The fact that the OECD survey basically acknowledges all this in the statement at 22:09 is, I think, the real point. "How are we supposed to trust this data? "WE AREN'T. That is PISA telling us that they themselves don't trust it. If you believe PISA's stats overall and acknowledge it has a good reputation, I don't see how you can then discount their own analysis of the validity of their own data. They have no reason to perpetuate a stereotype unless they believe it to be true. Ultimately I feel the prevalence and enduring popularity of bullying as a topic for fiction produced within and for these cultures indicates that it resonates with people; I find that a much more reliable source than a self-reported survey on a topic where reporting that thing has negative consequences on the sample population. [minor edits for clarity and to further highlight that bullying in Japan is at least as much about work as it is school, if not more]

[@Nadrill]

Exactly. Great video but relying on data based on self reporting is questioning the whole point. Based on numbers me and cat on average, we have 3 legs.

[@noorislam4968]

I had this exact thought! It wireded me out that they would just change the data and given context for that data completely so that it would go with their thesis/ narrative

[@outerlast]

agree with this. and agree that the research should include bullying in workplace as well.

[@Josh_Quillan]

@@outerlast In Japanese workplaces they've developed a novel strategy for reducing workplace bullying: call it something else. Workers being abused or negected by their managers generally call it "Pawa-Hara": power harassment, in the same vein as sexual harassment or similar. When I asked if they mean bullying, most people who used this word have said yes, and didn't realise pawa-hara wasn't English, and many didn't realise that the word bullying could apply to that sort of situation.

[@outerlast]

@@Josh_Quillan oh, that's a good point, if they call it something else, not all people can recognize it as the same as or part of the umbrella term. and that brings new questions to the pisa result: do the students who answer the questionnaire understand the questions? and does it only consider bullying by schoolmates, or include other potential perpetrators such as teachers, parents, school admins etc?

[@floragcaldeira]

This week a 13 yo died here in Brazil after being assaulted by classmates. I feel like we only talk about it when it ends with tragedy.

[@awts..7954]

@@zelven6109 i think you need to re-evaluate what the fuck you're saying

[@bobob9969]

@@zelven6109 aren't you classy

[@kyushinin]

@@zelven6109 No, it shouldn't be "no shiz sherlock", it should be stopping the bullying before it gets even worse, it should be preventing the bullying from even happening in the first place actually.

[@zelven6109]

@@bobob9969 shame, i would go for ancient

[@zelven6109]

@@kyushinin arent you a righteous one sir knight of the white

[@laovvi7140]

While it's interesting to compare and contrast bullying found in different cultures, it's important to note that one being worse or more frequent doesn't make the other better or less worse.

[@teshi1424]

That's so true. For example, the comparison of bullying in Japan and England. I've lived my whole life in England, I went to secondary school and experienced bullying in my first year. It was a closed class system for my first year in secondary school, so we had different teachers for different subjects but it was the same students in the class. I did find the bullying hard because it was the same kids I was always seeing who treated me badly. In others years when the students were mixed up more, you can experience some relief from being around other students or you can experience where the ring leaders of the bullying will then involve students from your other classes because you may be with them in a different class but with other students who they then try to involve in the bullying, I think this kind of topic is difficult to discuss because you cannot overly simplify things. As you said, bullying happens in every country and not matter what you experience, it's still a horrible thing to go through, that can really shape you as a victim.

[@Meimoons]

It’s literally like comparing apples to oranges.

[@stephanielim5544]

The reason why the Philippines has the Highest of reports being bullied it's because both the bully and the one being bullied usually always ends up being in the principal's office due to fighting and being stabbed by a pencil. most Filipinos have a fuck around and find out attitude that's why most of those being bullied usually ends up fighting back, and our classmates are not that hesitant to report bullying because of our culture, which sympathize greatly to the downtrodden.

[@thomgizziz]

Welcome to every country on the face of the planet. You all act like somehow your country is special. People tend to think and do the same nonsense everywhere and it is sad that everybody seems to be so prejudice that they assume that other people must be more different than similar.

[@xcileter2063]

​@@thomgizzizChill tf off, let the op explain bro- it's not like they said that it's only in the Philippines 😭

[@JOSHUASUBASCO]

​@@thomgizziz Gurl, chill. They didn't said that Philippines are special. They are just saying in the Philippines, students are really that sassy when fighting back. Philippine laws is very cruel when u hurt someone on school campus yet these students don't care cuz they love the taste of revenge more than they're own life.

[@stephanielim5544]

@@thomgizziz if it is like every country on the face of the planet then what are the statistics showed for dumdum? I'm explaining why despite the statistics of having reports of bullying is high, the environment that most Filipinos live is way more healthier than that of those countries with low reports of bullying.

[@jeant6502]

​@@thomgizziz OP is making a point. Filipinos in general are really nosy. So it's not really surprising to encounter some students that would bravely inform that someone had bullied them physically. Even simple ones like being name called or getting trash in their bag (some would even loudly proclaim "who the hell put these here?"). Also, years ago. We had this infamous bullying case from a prestigious school that went viral as it was videotaped (it happened in the school bathroom). And the bully then was in High school and a member of a karate club. And until now, he was still in lie low as he had been shamed, parodied, and just famously called "Bugbog o dignidad" kid (Beating or dignity) despite his identity had been revealed right away.

[@Radiance17]

As someone who grew up in the US, the idea of staying with the same group of students and the same teacher all day every day is horrifying. Obviously if your teacher and peers treat you well it's great, but if you're the kid who gets bullied, this means you never get a break. And if the teaching style doesn't work for you, it affects every subject, not just one. Even if bullying is less common, it's inescapable, and the fact that many of the survey respondents saw introspection as a possible solution may indicate that they blame themselves for the way they're being treated. All of that is a recipe for a terrible ending to the story.

[@TheGamer2001]

As someone who went most of their life to a post-soviet school and then had a brief study stunt at a university in a Western country, I would say that going to class with a constantly changing group of people is both freeing and confusing and lonely at the same time. I don't know which system I would prefer better, but I can say that despite being bullied in a post-soviet school, I had much more sturdy friendships and connections in a post-soviet school as well.

[@BryanLu0]

Many elementary schools have such a system in the US, though you're less likely to find middle schools or high schools with such a system

[@TaLeng2023]

It's the same teacher all day? They don't have different teacher for each subject?

[@HudaefCares]

In the Philippines we change teachers every year, only got the same teacher for different school years once (grade 4 and 5 history teacher) and I was mindblown that that was even possible lol. Tho I guess it also depends on how many teachers a school has. Also when we got to highschool I was mindblown again by the fact that we the students weren't the ones changing classes, it was the _teachers_ that did so. Like "ooh, we don't have to get lost in the tropical heat outside for the first few days after school starts just looking for the right classroom?? Awesome." We also had a system where classes were referred to by the adviser's (homeroom) initials, so what our class ranking academic-wise was was usually a guessing game. But after a few days you'll get a feel for it. Only the Pilot Class were the ones who you know for sure are the smartest. Now that I think about it, idk why they're called Pilot Class. They don't fly planes.😅 As for bullying... We had occasional fist fights and hair pulling, but other than getting excluded for a time coz I hurt someone's ego by impressing a teacher with my knowledge of random trivia I was never actually picked on. That and xenophobia, coz ethnically I'm a very Chinese person that was born and raised in the Philippines. But no one ever said mean words or told me to "go back", just dumb shxt like "open your eyes lol" and "do yunno karate?" (yes, wrong martial art)

[@thomgizziz]

That literally happens in almost every elementary school in the US...

[@EZXSniperZzz]

Bullying is a tricky topic to study accurately based on my life as an Asian American. Up until I got therapy, I didn't know I was bulled by my parents and friends, let alone know that I was a bully to others too. I doubt my parents saw it as that, and I know my friends didn't see it as that until the whole friend group died to toxicity. Meeting some other Asian Americans in the college associations really opened my eyes to another level of bullying. The shit they would say and do was unbelievable. I doubt they would ever consider themselves bullies. All that is to say, I doubt the physical nature of bullying in dramas was ever accurate. Some of those Manhwas have whole ass corporations and adults roaming in high schools. I quite frequently SEE bullying in the west. Hell, some people in the U.S. thinks it "builds character." I do wonder if a lot of emotional/rational bullying is under reported due to it not being perceived as bullying. Which was my life growing up.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

Dude with all due respect but your sense of self-awareness is zero

[@frogalphabet4851]

i would be very curious to hear some more specific examples of the types of bullying you describe, but i also understand if you don't want to delve into that any deeper

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@adam.maqavoy]

@@ville__ No one cares.

[@adam.maqavoy]

*No its not* The people whom think this way are chasing a ~ *False Dilemma*

[@jasonquigley2633]

I don't think it's correct to say that westerners think bullying is primarily physical. Any time I've discussed this with acquaintances, everyone has always agreed that verbal/psychological bullying was much worse then physical bullying. Likewise, when we discuss "workplace bullying" (a concept related to the more commonly discussed school bullying), it's almost exclusively verbal/psychological/relational. One of the slogans around bullying that are repeated commonly throughout English speaking countries is "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never harm me", which A) shows that the form of bullying that people are most concerned about is verbal bullying and B) Shows a particular cultural response to bullying IE you must not respond to it, rise above it and maintain your dignity. The usual advice given to anglophone students about bullying is to ignore it until it goes away, which may in fact be part of the problem in anglophone countries. In a sense, the bullies often "get away with it". Part of the problem is the alternative for students is "snitching", which is not only condemned by other students, but likely by parents and teachers as well ("Nobody likes a snitch...") I'm Irish, and my perception has always been that bullying is more common in the UK/Ireland then in East Asia, despite the mass hysteria you get from Asian media. I hear stories about bullying in Asia and I think "that's just normal where I grew up...". A thought provoking video, as usual.

[@siohunndai]

In the U.S. and Canada, verbal bullying is almost always talked about differently. If you’re a girl in high school and a popular girl insults you and spreads rumors, she isn’t a bully, but rather a “mean girl”. If you get regularly excluded because people are spreading rumors about you, you’re experiencing people “being mean”. When North Americans hear someone say they were bullied, if they believe you they’ll instinctually feel very bad for you because in their mind, you’re implying you were physically assaulted or stolen from.

[@keithhorning7753]

Olney a few years ago I started understanding anything other than threats or violence as bullying.

[@ArquaticDreamer1994]

This is so common and true and it hurts

[@ArquaticDreamer1994]

​@siohunndai someone who was regularly had milk cartons thrown at their head and verbally and sexually harassed by so many students and teachers I can only remember begging my mom to let me stay from home I missed so much school just because of my fear abd PTSD of being bullied and straight up psychologically tortured at school. Not to mention being born disabled and in a SPED class can get your nearly murdered by the teachers alone who are prone restraint. I witnessed actual child abuse in my SPED class on the daily and the main stream class kids call you ableist slurs all the time and think you're incapable of understanding them or knowing anything

[@cutienerdgirl]

Verbal/psychological bullying, especially when it goes from at school to social media, has been talked about PLENTY in western media. I remember my local news stations would constantly talk about reduced mental health in teens due to high social media use. I remember the release of the movie 'Cyberbully' with Emily Osment. 💀

[@ef8725]

I'm from the Philippines. Our stats are high because we are not ashamed nor afraid to report it. I'm also shocked about the extent (the cruelty and severity) East Asians and Americans go through with bullying their colleagues. With us its usually is just mocking and fist fights. I don't have the exact number for bullying but I assume that it is one of the main reason for self-deleting among adolescents (aside from depression). Based on stats, in South Korea it is the leading cause of mortality among adolecents with an average rate of 7 deaths per 100,000 people. Meanwhile in the Philippines, self-deleting is only 0.349 per 100,000 people. Is it just because Filipino kids are just so resilient against bullying or is it because the level of bullying in South Korea is just so cruel that a lot of kids just choose to self-delete themselves?

[@s2oop436]

self deleting is rare in our country because of christian value that we will go to hell if we did that. also poverty and revenge make are children resilience. if they get bullied in school, they will call their friend or relatives to retaliate back. unfortunately my paretns are worse they allow me to get bullied cause they are spineless religious

[@cringeyetfree]

i definitely had the wrong perception of bullying in east asia going in but i'm not surprised that the uk does so badly in these studies. british schoolboy culture has a long history of being crude and abrasive and it's become so instilled there that often what would be called bullying elsewhere gets dismissed as "just banter"/"just a bit of fun"/etc. by bullies, school staff and even sometimes victims good work as always, also props to presage for that genius japan/england flag graphic

[@ninjacats1647]

Good point on banter. I've recently realized that the root of most social bullying is banter and sometimes passive aggressive behavior. I've never experienced bullying that didn't have its roots in one of those two traits. The banter to bullying pipeline is very real. Teachers in school should be on the watch for banter as a major indicator of the presence of bullying and strive to reduce it in schools.

[@xx-----------xx873]

@@ninjacats1647 Or the students should fire back harder. Worked for me, worked for everyone I know, makes people tougher. If they can't handle some words from some schmuck they'll be steamrolled in the real world. The average viewer of this channel doesn't live there in fairness. It's the teacher's job to teach and get the children to the universities they want to go to, why should they attempt to change social culture?

[@tutulalababa4013]

​@@xx-----------xx873 such an undeveloped way to think about it. I was a 4'7 14 Yr old getting relentlessly bullied by a whole yr of giant football and rugby guys. It was mainly racial and physical bullying aswell. What was I supposed to give back ? (UK btw)

[@xx-----------xx873]

@@tutulalababa4013 Assuming you're a chick you just relentlessly snitch, I'm suprised other people let that slide. If you weren't a chick you probably could have been on somatropin and at least tried, would have got some respect at the minimum. I dunno though, I worked 5 years in a couple foundries in brum and I don't think there was a day where I wasn't called paki boy or shortie lol maybe it isn't acceptable now. Regardless my sons will learn to fight, or I'll leave here for tax haven pastures.

[@exoticeditz8863]

Glad the uk is being brought up too. I live near a local McDonald’s and it’s disgusting seeing the amount of school boys having fights/ assaulting others there. Boys who are victims of bullying are rarely taken seriously

[@nosuchpersonexisted]

One thing I have to question is how accurate the Chinese data is. First, there is the question of whether the surveyed subjects want to save face. Second, as you said, east Asian students may choose self-reflection as an option to deal with bullying. So maybe some students think it's their fault that they are bullied, or the bullies have some good reasons to be assholes. Therefore, do not report any bullying. Even if all the students, teachers, and school officials surveyed by the researchers are truthful and reliable. Their locations still matter because school culture in big cities like Beijing and Shanghai differs significantly from small towns and rural areas. And one last thing, if the studies are correct, that East Asia indeed has a lower bullying rate compared to other OECD countries, I think the exam culture in East Asia can take a lot of credit. In China, kids must prepare for high school and college entrance exams. School hours are insane; something like from 7:00 am to 7:00 pm with 2 hours for lunch break would be the norm for a vast amount of middle and high school kids. Those kids have little time and energy to pressure much else. And if anyone dares to mess with the kids with the most potential, teachers and school officials will quickly get involved since their salary and the school's reputations are tied to how well the kids do in those exams.

[@TsubasaAkai]

I thought of that too, even if the surveys were anonymous there could social pressure to give a good answer rather than the truth. And I wonder too if the studies considered the students that dropped out due a harsh academic environment and the unfortunate cases of juvenile suicide in which bullying was a factor.

[@aini_]

Loved reading your thoughts, and I agree that there’s likely a bias from the Chinese sample because of the urban skew. It’s so interesting how you raise exam pressure and rigid schedules being a reason why bullying may be less intense there, since historically a lot of scholars have used this as a reason for why bullying is more intense in EA compared to other countries (eg. a “pressure cooker” environment as described by Yoneyama and Naito in 2003, “cram schools and pressure intensifying cultural problems” asserted by Treml in 2001). Culture plays such a big role and it’s fascinating how depending on the way you see it it could inhibit or encourage bullying. Thank you for adding to the discussion!

[@heha2684]

​@@aini_ L CCP

[@16Muslimah]

I've taught in Korean elementary schools and studied abroad there as well. I think bullying is so normalised there that when people report bullying it's often the more extrême versions. Because of the hierarchial nature of the culture, talking down to youngers or your juniors seems to be more normal. But if that took place here, it would be considered bullying.

[@allenk6373]

I watched a khabib podcast and he said that if you bullied you have to fight Or you will be victim I guess I’m Dagestan if you a boy you expect to be a man and learn to fight Because of these manly aggressive environment

[@thomgizziz]

I have lived in korea for longer than you and have taught there for a couple years. I also taught in the west for a year and the levels of bulling are pretty similar. You all seem to think that the most extreme case is the norm or something. Also I'm guessing you don't speak korean fluently but have decided that you understand the whole culture.

[@alangivre2474]

In Argentina, bullying is mostly defined in a group level. The theory is that it is the creation of a scapegoat, and you also have the negative leader who collects the followers against the scapegoat. I was the bullied (the scapegoat) in my teenager years.

[@alessandrakalini]

I’m also always the scapegoat. It’s said if you all hate the same person it strengthens the groups bond.

[@cyrhyllpusta5575]

i think that countries with latin influence is like this becausem i too was the scape goat and they didn't like it when i fight back and have my own posse

[@SiriProject]

Honestly, I think this is actually the case for all bullying. It does not matter if only one or two people do the actual physical violence, the dynamic is only able to last and to get worse because it unites people, gives them someone to laugh at collectively, allows them to "show up" to others (especilly the opposite sex). And on the other side, the bullied is always alone, or left alone. It is like a scale where bullies get all the adoration and attention, and the bullied are left by themselves. People are not open to the reality that hurting people is the root of many "friendship groups" from a very early time, and for some of these "passive followers" it constitutes their entire psychology.

[@roanred555]

To correct an assumption you made, social bullying among women and girls was a popular issue in the early 2000s and 2010s. Westerners do not associate bullying with violence. They associate male bullying with violence. I learned this years ago as a teenager. Social or relational bullying was explored in movies like Mean Girls, Odd Girl Out, and the Heathers (a much older movie). I am only naming a few but there are definitely other shows and movies that display this type of bullying.

[@user-yl2so8db5t]

Re: your comments on the oecd study’s conclusions - while I don’t doubt that there are preexisting biases in how people interpret data that handles cultural differences, it’s important that the researchers highlight confounding variables in their research that might skew results; it’s just how researching works, I’ve done it in my own studies. In fact, while you were talking about the data findings I myself was thinking that it could be skewed by the students’ environment and societal attitudes, even before you mentioned the oecd’s conclusions.

[@jasonjasso666]

You expressed my thoughts on the matter more eloquently than I. While not completely awful, my take read more like I was somehow defending Western ways by claiming maybe Asia embracing more of a collectivist society skews the data. In reality factors from both East and West cultural ways prevent any set and stone take on either when it comes to who has more of a bullying epidemic, as reportings are heavily influenced accordingly.

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@chandlerrodrek]

The research was just acknowledging issues with self-report that come with having survey and questionnaire based data. The idea of low self report for collectivist societies like East-Asian countries seem to align with in-group/out-group behaviour.

[@doubleru]

This is exactly what I was about to comment. With all my respect for aini, I think that it is not the PISA study that is pushing a narrative, but Rappleye and Komatsu. Highlighting unknown confounding variables (such as the percentage of all bullying victims self-reporting per country) is proper scientific procedure. PISA is not invalidating its own data but acknowledging a known issue in the only methodology available to them. To conclude from that that *they're* the ones pushing a narrative is exactly the kind of narrative-pushing being decried here. As it stands, we do not know the *actual* prevalence of bullying in surveyed countries, only of self-reported cases. Rappleye, Komatsu, and aini's conclusions from that data are not scientifically sound, and further research is needed before any conclusions on the validity of competing narratives can be feasibly reached.

[@aini_]

I hear you, thank you for adding your perspective here! I see the importance in highlighting confounding variables in explaining data, I believe though that Rappleye and Komatsu were arguing for a more balanced interpretation of this data. Eg. Seeing data from Korea and Japan reflecting low levels of bullying (which culture could have influenced) but then cherry picking questions that Korea and Japan did poorly in when summarising the data would not be providing that balanced perspective. Thank you for your feedback on this, I'll continue to work on how I convey these points in a nuanced manner! I appreciate it :)

[@draculus666]

18:25 "reported of being bullied" and "was bullied" are very very different cases. And in many cultures (I know about post USSR and eastern Europe) complaining is BAD (especially for boys). So Kazahstan on the very left (less than Germany and Finland) is actually so far away from reality... It might be true if we count only 'students reports' but is completely wrong if we count actual cases (at least based on my experience).

[@EnjoyingLife2024]

The three types of bullying exist in the USA. My understanding is the bullying is worse where social media is involved. My heart breaks for any child anywhere who experiences bullying. If I ever have children, I hope my relationship with them is so open and loving that my child would not hesitate to let me know if they're being bullied.

[@Bonita.Vampira_]

I was growing up in the times when social media was relatively new, but it was being used day by day. I came across a post this girl posted about me, and even though it didn’t have my name on it, she made it clear that “she was going to show them who it was” the next day. I never really enjoyed going to school because of the constant taunting of my weight by other kids, but this was a new level, especially when her male friends started to bump my shoulders and stick their middle finger to me when I turned around in “wtf” Now she’s a crackhead with bad bleach blonde hair, twerking her non existent ass online

[@alessandrakalini]

Of course the 3 exist in all countries, but some are a bit more common in one country over another. Yes, it’s so sad how it can become worse due to SoMe

[@dzm7443]

Babe wake up, new aini video dropped

[@willocoptor]

new video, same theme of collectivist vs individualistic / interdependent vs independent. isn’t it reductive and over-stated at this point?

[@genepozniak]

@@willocoptor Perhaps a bit, but most people haven't given the behaviors that arise from that much thought, while Aini provides a very scholarly review of these individual and mass behaviors I haven't seen anywhere else.

[@13hehe]

@@willocoptor Not really because all points are still valid and relevant?

[@jadeks_]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@willocoptorif it enhances people's views on East Asia, then no. there's a lot of differences between the east and west, and these culture differences is what sets us apart. these "themes" is what makes East Asian society they are today. a lot of people just idolize some aspects of Asian culture and don't see the whole picture to it. it's not always glamorous and cutesy; just a whole lot "darker" (speaking from someone who is Asian-American).

[@willocoptor]

@@genepozniak yes - its just that after seeing a bunch of aini’s other videos and of course some other channels talking about similar topics, the claims made are coming from the same angles as mentioned - so much that I could kind of guess where the video was going to go. hence why I thought it was over-stated and reductive as if one aspect of east vs west is explanatory of so many phenomena. i guess for the folks hearing this argument for the first time it may be interesting as to the other two commenters, i’m just saying its overstated and reductive, not invalid or not useful

[@Yukinoomoni]

Growing up, I experienced all three types of bullying, both at school and at work. I'll be honest with you: The Glory has been one of my all time favourite shows ever since the first 8 episodes aired, simply because of how relatable Moon Dong-eun is, and how similar her experiences were to mind. I honestly never thought it meant that bullying was especially bad in South Korea, but in general, workdwide, especially back in the 90s and aughts. This is an excellent video for perspective. Thank you 💚

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@Yukinoomoni]

@@ville__ and I also have level one autism, whom has also been beaten up their entire life. You don't get to come on someone else's channel and tell them that you're better than them just because you're mad that they get more views than you. Least of all under a comment of mine. Maybe if you had approached this better, I would have been interested in your content. Instead, I find you completely repulsive, and I will never view your content -- ever. Do not use autism as an excuse for bad behaviour, one autistic person to another. Thanks and have a day.

[@SiriProject]

Many people in the comments seem to buy the distinction and report having suffered from all of them. That is because they are only divided conceptually as an academic exercise: the reality is that to get to physical bullying the other two must have been set up already. You can only hit someone to which you don't grant verbal respect, and a person you know will not have friends coming over to get revenge. And even if they have, once people see you are being threatened, they will leave you alone. These are not TYPES of bullying, they are ASPECTS of bullying.

[@Yukinoomoni]

@@ville__ I didn't ask and I don't care.

[@Yukinoomoni]

@@SiriProject Sadly, as someone who's experienced both, I can confirm this. The verbal stuff always starts, and then the physical -- and after that, the sexual. And it's so permissive in schools, especially by teachers, because deep down, teachers can and are bullies, too (though they're not the majority). I still don't know why I "deserved" to be bullied, and I'm 40, but if I were to guess, it was a mixture of ableism, ignorance, and innate homo/transmisia, especially the older I got. (I'm autistic and trans non-binary.)

[@kanzenatsume]

lemme be clear, we filipinos don't have a strong face culture. we report it or get our friends together and brawl with the offending party 😂 and THEN we get reported for bulling the bully sometimes both.

[@animesenpai1163]

I see the thumbnail but like in the Philippines I rarely see any bullying... Tickling is considered bullying here and usually things like it is immediately reported to the councilor... I went to both private and public school... The bullying I personally experienced is short lived cuz I immediately retaliated... The other experience of mine didn't really hurt me that much if at all... Cuz most people tell me I'mmediately like when someone spreads rumors about me, the physical stuff I just thought to be absurd... My classmates see me and the bully as a "Tom and Jerry" case cuz I retaliate to a similar degree lol. These examples are just two different people at different times btw.

[@generizze6243]

because most of us filipino hates being bullied. and fight back instead.

[@kurtashley5988]

Is the rates low because the victims don't report it that much compared to the west?

[@anarecinos1590]

The OECD study does account for that variable. Meaning it could be plausible given the group mentality that East Asian countries have.

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@nguyenviethung9162]

one reason. Another is how they perceive "bully", unless it is severe cases that made national headlines, sometimes small acts that are perceived as bully for Westerns students might not be so for Eastern students. Like Aini's data showed, Western bullying cases lean more towards physical, while relational and verbal ones aren't truly apparent. I have friends who do not realize they are bullied later in life because of their opaque views and the pressure to conform in a collectivist society.

[@notsojharedtroll23]

​@@ville__ sus

[@RoryMajule]

Mark Walburg literally admitted to committing hate crimes in his youth and everyone just shrugged like “I guess someone has to star in Transformers 4”

[@mrmusiccrow2461]

Why should his past from 30 years ago stand judgement for him starring in a movie in a present day and age. That's such a twisted and immature way of thinking. We all make mistakes we're not proud of when we're younger, and then we learn.

[@Charlisimo123]

@@mrmusiccrow2461You make a fair point. But that all depends what kind of acts it was. If it is murder or sexual crimes, don’t expect people and normal society to ever forgive you. Those acts cannot ever wash off. For the case of Mark Walburg, even though he did not commit murder, he permanently crippled an Asian man. If the victim was you, and you were crippled. Would you have such an easy going heart to forgive them? Is not that easy as you claim it is. So to look down on someone as immature for not forgiving something that happened decades ago, does not make them immature. It is what it is. Is the complexity of our miserable species. If you are willing to forgive, good on you. But don’t expect other people to hold the same feelings as you. ‘Cause if some bastard crippled me or someone I care about. Don’t expect me to forgive that person, no matter how changed they are. Good deeds does not wash the bad. Neither the bad to the good. And change is a hard thing to do. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. For all we know, Mark Walberg is still the same in secret doors in order to keep his cheesy acting career a float. Just my two cents.

[@jolp9799]

@@mrmusiccrow2461 Bro he committed atrocious racial crimes. His victims are scarred forever.

[@lolithighs]

@@mrmusiccrow2461”we all make mistakes” is the immature ignorant take from someone who’s never seen the real world

[@mrmusiccrow2461]

@@Charlisimo123 Spare me the father lecture man, i responded to a comment which said he committed hate crimes. I do agree that the weight of the punishment should be equal to the weight of the crime committed. If he physically abused someone to a point of the victim being crippled obviously its a different story. That's horrible and he should be held responsible. And obviously i was responding to a comment which did not have the full context established. I fully agree with that you've said btw. But you completely missed my point. "Hate crimes" is a broad term, it could have been anything. So I assumed to objective default which most people would. In hind sight i should have asked what is it exactly that mark did. I haven't looked down on anyone, i am simply iterating on the idea that the past shouldn't be accountable for present actions, at least in most cases. Cause internet is famously known for canceling people for something that they've said.

[@tilllindemann7945]

in europe, bullying is also more linked to verbal and relational bullying

[@macksii]

this is really fascinating, here in nz our bullying isn't like america. so many of us don't really realize bullying when it's happening right in front of our eyes. since our media is nearly entirely western based we learn to pick up that culture in our mind and that builds our understanding. often, bullys will be 'friends' with the victim but sort of target them as the butt of the joke. i feel this makes it so much harder to identify as the bully and the victim will be joking and laughing together while minutes earlier the victim was feeling horrible and being told they're taking the joke personally

[@Kaz7.]

That's how most male bullying I've seen in Canada is too, it's really sad that it almost always comes from the people you consider your friends. My partner was surprised when I told him that friends don't usually scream at you when they're angry, damage your property, make you the butt of every joke all the time, not care about your feelings, and tell you you can't take a joke whenever you're upset when we met at 18, he didn't even seem to realize he was being bullied through all of high school :I

[@vtheory7531]

Cuz you described my primary school experience :') bullying here is subtle and more like 'toxic friendship' because those ones go under the radar compared to the more obvious types of bullying which as you said we are aware of due to media and would be quick to report. Deep down you knew what your 'friends' did was not ok because they're not respecting your boundaries, but in other times they are nice to you so you don't see them as bullies. It's gaslighting and manipulation at its finest. I think NZ culture of being polite and also somewhat more collectivist compared to other Western countries ('tall poppy syndrome') plays into it as well.

[@destinycantwait]

you really think US bullies are different from NZ ones 💀. Stepping on American soil doesn't make you change your bullying tactics. Bad behaviour exists in everyone

[@Kaz7.]

@@destinycantwait Bullying looks different in different cultures. as is like the whole point of this video...

[@pateHNBTA]

I'm Colombian and schools are mostly closed classes so you end up sharing the same environment with the same people for many yrs. I find it so relatable how some of the people who either phisycally or verbally bullied me were or I thought were my friends. The horrific thing is how a lot of bullies were glorified by other students or no one would advocate for the students that suffered bullying.

[@stoup7280]

Can we really trust self report of bullying in East Asia knowing that they might get silenced dor the school's reputation and that 1 in 7 victims (in the case of Japan) choose self reflexion as the way to cope thus may e not truly seeing themselves as victims so they might have been less inclined to report them

[@user-yl2so8db5t]

Parts of this video, especially toward the end, seem to contradict the parts at the beginning

[@Unhappytimeaper]

I grew up in Japan for awhile and now work in Korea in a middle school and I will say we have constant issues of bullying from physical to verbal to online; the answer is- my school simply doesn’t have many resources to handle it all. To understand, we have about 60 students per grade with 3 grades and one department of 5 who is meant to handle all bullying on top of teaching. While schools closer to Seoul and other major cities might have more departments or people in them, it’s simply really difficult for us to keep track and handle it all when daily teachers are working to resolve bullying in many different angles. And parents… well parents don’t care and if they do it’s usually only about their own kid either reputation of not being a bully (or anything negative) while those bullied push it onto the teachers as not teaching better/not being able to manage every single student on top of our already busy workload. Reporting goes unnoticed because those handling it are often in a state of constantly trying to manage handful of people while students and parents don’t want to report or have it be known that they are being bullied because it tends to only make things worse. Many of these are a bystander culture; if you see something you stay quiet and not get involved mostly to save face and not cause an issue; reports are taken very unseriously for many serious issues as proof of verbal bullying in a collective culture can be easily denied (I didn’t hear it/they didn’t say anything) and taking actual actions often can’t be done without physical proof. I don’t mean to bring in other topics but it reminds me of how many cases of DV are ignored because “they didn’t hit you” or “you have no proof” all while people are left suffering. In another sense, I see a rise my generation and younger with what is “friendship teasing” which can be saying rude or mean things to a friend as a joke but often if not clear it can be really hurtful to a point there is a very blurred line of conversational acceptability. Growing up if someone insulted your looks in Japan (say calling you a pig because your overweight) what makes that different than the generalized notion of stating someone’s looks in what comes off as rude in English- what if it’s your parents doing it too and this is just your normal from everyone despite “insults” and exclusion being your norm. Do you report it as bullying, or just see it as a piece of the culture? It took me a long time to say I was bullied when I lived in Japan- I was in elementary school and honestly didn’t really think about it much as bullying until I got older and realized it was intentional exclusion, I still don’t talk about it as frequently as I do about how I was bullied when I moved to the USA again as a kid despite there being many overlap in how I was bullied. There just isn’t a culture to speak on it, survey or not, which makes it hard to admit because while in the west the notion recently of “trauma dumping for fun and hey I was bullied too!” being such a connector to a community admitting being bullied in East Asia to me feels like a secret your meant to keep away even to those your close with. I don’t mean to say this is everyone’s experience, just mine but all of this is why I feel data doesn’t justify actual stories based on what I experienced and see every day…

[@funopticongaming]

This is what I was thinking as well. People who come from East Asian cultures also tend to deny they have any mental health issues as well (speaking from experience) and will unlikely self-report that also.

[@stoup7280]

@@user-yl2so8db5t not really she spoke about the pact of silence but keeping silent would implie that you're aware that you're the victim, not the person in the wrong and choose to keep silent for X Y Z but if 1 in 7 bullied students would choose self reflection as a coping mecanism it probably means that they don't really perceive themselfs as the victim if they think they did something that had provoked it, if they don't see themselves as victims theese 1 in 7 bullied students might not report it since they they think they provoked it somehow

[@pisangmelinjoe34]

Or they don't feel they're the victim 🤔 i've met several people from east asia and they've been treated unfair from their friends,family and you know what?they blame themselves for it...they think they're not good enough...they don't think they're the victim...i found it weird...

[@sleepydewdrop]

absolutelyyyy, we have crazy stories of bullying, a poor kid died a few weeks ago after being jumped in a school bathroom by other kids (Nex Benedict, who was bullied for being nonbinary), but theres a diffusion of responsibilty. The individual kids are presumably at fault, but theres no call for the school or society to do better about bullying on a large scale. I think individualism really fails us in terms of how society struggles to take responsibility for people being targetted or singled out. In terms of the media, it kind of reminds me of how bullying in America was depicted in 80s movies or steven king novels, truly horrifying and extreme, and not at all reflected in reality. Like no ones actually drentched the unpopular girl in pigs blood.

[@AdianBlack]

Just to point out, Nex started that fight and later tragically died from an overdose. So, not a bullying story really. Still sad though.

[@expedition346]

@@AdianBlack you literally just proved OPs point

[@AdianBlack]

@expedition346 Except that the drug use and violence have no significant correlation to any bullying.

[@sleepydewdrop]

@@AdianBlack given the comment, I looked up the newest article from NPR, "What happened to Nex Benedict?" which is written a month after their death, so less confusion over the facts. you are right that Nex actually died from an overdose the next day, however there is evidence that it was an intentional suicide (notes). So while I appreciate the correction, that seems to relate even more to bullying. I also saw that while the police indicate it was a "mutual fight" there isnt really camera footage either way, so we only have the circumstancial evidence that bex was accompanying a trans friend, my speculation was that it was for protection, and cameras indicate that they were then followed by the three girls. My read is that indicates blame on the three girls, but theyre arent cameras of who started what.

[@viik-tor]

​@@AdianBlack the "drugs" were antidepressants and antihistamines, the "violence" that nex instigated was splashing water on the girls that ganged up on them, even if they died from an od, what those girls did to nex is inexcusable

[@katethielen3883]

Relational bullying seriously SUCKS cause there isn't anyone to confront, and there isn't a way to verbalize what's "not" happening. For example, people will say "I could have sworn someone invited you" to take away the personal accountability from themselves safely. And yet, it feels SO personal. Additionally, we were part of a smaller program, which made "find new friends" impossible. I didn't have words to put to this before, and so this video was really educational

[@jasmine1926]

I kind of suspect that the reason so many Americans (speaking to what I know) think bullying is worse in east asian countries is because of negative perceptions of collectivist cultures. Americans greatly idolize individualism. Anything that hampers the ability to express oneself would be seen as abusive/oppressive in and of itself. In the US, many would just find new friends or join a sub/counter culture if they are bullied. The emphasis on conformity in east asia wouldn't make this as much of a cultural norm. This probably leads to the perception that people are trapped (Americans have the same perception of traditional non-white communities, like conservative hijabies). So, the cultural undertones of east asian bullying feed into an existing bias that their bullying is particularly worse because victims "can't" escape via socially encouraged rugged individualism.

[@markigirl2757]

I was just gonna sayyyy! Kind of irritated me when people try to claim the East was worse and they claim they were from the west and I’m like how do u know? We can’t perceive what’s worse when we don’t even live there or even part of the culture. Westerners (I can only speak of US specifically the south east side so I’m very sure it could be different for other states) do tend to think for themselves thus how they perceive things can come across like they know better and I can tell why the east side side eye them bc of how different perceptions can change things.

[@jasmine1926]

@@markigirl2757 Yeah. Went to school with a lot of Korean students who had lived in the US for different amounts of time, but all regularly went back to Korea. My best friend was Korean and I often witnessed bullying and heard about it from her. It wasn’t any different from the bullying among American kids BUT, the reactions were different. My Chinese friends also reacted differently from the Korean students. Cultures are different and there are social benefits to different cultures. However, it’s normal to prefer what you’re used to. I just wish people would stop thinking dramas are realistic cultural representations. That’s like other cultures thinking “The Young and the Restless” or “You” is how all Americans are.

[@bornaunicorn]

bullying was a huge topic in USA like 20 years ago when i was in middleschool, the movie mean girls was partly based on that book queen bees and wannabes that was everywhere if your kid was around middle-highschool school age. everyone in the PTA read it and there were constant discussions about this type of thing. it was huge. we had so many "assemblies" about bullying, workshops would come in and we would take time off class to do "anti-bullying" projects. this was in public school. the tv shows for kids that came out around that time also heavily featured school bullies. it was all over pop culture and entertainment media. after i aged out of this group the next huge thing was cyber-bullying. if you ask an american millennial what they think when they think about school bullying the majority will probably think of "cliques" of girls psychologically bullying another girl. maybe it's different now for gen alpha and zoomers

[@smallm3nac3]

As a person who was relationally bullied in a Western country, this video essay really helped me put in words why it was so hard growing up. Thank you.

[@frustratedbones5527]

honestly the more i watch about s-e asia, the more it feels like it has the same problems the west does, but on steroids… insane beauty & academia standarts, obsession with status and showcasing wealth, combines with contempt towards the poor/ and now bullying, too apparently

[@realavi1]

the video essay argues the opposite

[@Hotshot2k4]

Although it's only mentioned briefly, I think it's pretty clear from the context of the rest of the video: We hear more about bullying in East Asia because instances of bullying are considered failures on the part of society, so they are more widely reported and discussed. By contrast, bullying is more common and therefore doesn't tend to get national attention in the West. Bullying in the West is apparently all a series of individual problems... somehow...

[@ishathakor]

this video wasn't about southeast asia at all

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@adam.maqavoy]

@@ville__ #Hi bot

[@r1ppl3_13]

Philippines is surprisingly high. Havent really witnessed any. Though i guess it would be a mix of social exclusion and direct confrontation? I think it really depends on the school and other factors.

[@ssyphs]

hi, i did one of those international bullying surveys and fully lied on it because i was still worried about it affecting me. I don't think casting off the idea that people would lie is an intelligent approach

[@Tracks2Jam2]

I love how Australian KZbinrs always release at about 12am

[@ville__]

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[@MyOldNameWasTaken]

​@@ville__lol lmao, even

[@senatuspopulusqueromanus2082]

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[@nicao_o]

@@ville__ you might want to consider adding more than one video to your channel before commenting something like this.

[@anarecinos1590]

I find it interesting that you mentioned students get re shuffled in English schools and that this helps them not feel the bullying as much. In my experience in the West (U.S.) most students end up with students that are the same level of intelligence as them. For example honors students tend to stick with the same honors students. And so while some students are shuffled around; students are usually surrounded by the same peers EVEN in secondary school in the West.

[@cstrkm]

Bullying in Korea is called “학교폭력,” which directly translates to “school violence,” and is often shortened to “학폭.” While “왕따,” the word that was used in the video, does translate to “outcasting,” it’s used to describe a type of bullying that often occurs in Korea rather than used to describe bullying as a whole. Therefore, Korea’s term for bullying is more a reference to how severe cases of bullying are, rather than a way to highlight its collectivist culture.

[@ailleesha]

I am not East Asian, but Central Asian (Kazakhstan) and I was shocked at how many similarities we share with Eastern school setting, group relationships and types of bullying. until it hit me, that Kazakhstan is literally a post-soviet country lol

[@allenk6373]

At least on Kazakhstan a father of a kid encourage to fight back because if you don’t you will be a victim forever In Russia if you don’t fight you will be a victim forever

[@allenk6373]

And Koreans just have that installed victim mentality

[@lilsneepsnorp4951]

A major thing you overlooked in this was who is being bullied. I have been bullied my whole life in ways I’m just now understanding. As an American who got ripped to shreds, I would still be ripped to shreds in Japan or Korea. I am seen as the odd one by others constantly. I got diagnosed with autism and ADHD and six years old. I was relationally bullied severely in highschool. I was teased in middle school.

[@janmil5630]

Aaww. I wonder if anything can be done for this. I've noticed sometimes in random discord calls that there are sometimes people with autism/adhd and they always end up the odd one out, people don't necessarily bully, but you can obv tell they'd treat them differently. but you also can't treat them "normally" cause they just behave so differently. I just remember one time I liked a guy like that, and wanted to treat him "normal" and tried to talk to him a lot more. He ended up telling me bluntly how he wants to treat (like pay with his own money to buy food for someone) my 2 girl classmates cause he found them pretty and wanted them to like him. xD I was kinda heartbroken and felt ugly and stopped trying cause I can't handle how cold people with autism/adhd sound even when they don't really mean to be lmao

[@lilsneepsnorp4951]

I understand where you are coming from, but I think being treated “normal” is more of a not being a spectacle, infantilized or excluded and mocked. Being blatantly misunderstood and questioned is genuinely so infuriating when it’s a large part of our existence. It sounds like the guy you liked was a very personal experience, but often with men they don’t understand the sheer gravity of women’s struggles with being attractiveness. I respect you and your experience. I don’t want to engage in further debate because I don’t do internet debates because of miscommunications and the tax it has on my energy levels.

[@lalalalaland84]

I lived in southeast asia. I was bullied for my inferior physical traits throughout my entire school life, continuing into adulthood. The bullies remained bullies as adults. Verbal, gossipping, actively egging others to avoid you socially or to also bully you.

[@EarthForces]

Typical SEA cultural attitude. If you look at "bashers and troll culture online" in a global context, some of the Western countries and SEA got the most volume (numbers) for such things.

[@generizze6243]

where?

[@generizze6243]

where are you from?

[@BloodyGir7]

I was severely bullied daily when I was in school in the 2000's and nobody did nothing, not teachers, not students,not even my parents who knew, it's definitely not seen here in the west as a big issue, or at least it was worse in that time, hopefully there's more and more awareness each year

[@kjracz15]

Filipino here. The thumbnail got me interested. Bullying exists in many forms here, from kids fooling around to gender hate. I experienced being on the receiving end of it back in high school, however, it rarely heavily impacts a victim's social life or future social life. It's cultural, you know. Filipinos are an outgoing bunch. Also, not only your parents & adults, your peers are more likely to point out and scorn you for being a bully instead of being quiet about it. Also, as minors, your own parents will beat you up for being a bully, and the victims themselves often fight back. But this was years ago, social media pretty much made it worse.

[@abioticflyer63]

I think that japan and korea have low numbera because the victims do not report the bullying due to the nature of their societies.

[@sirati9770]

i love how youtube has forced the creation of the new word unaliving due to its advert filter

[@Khymeira]

I roll my eyes every time I hear it.

[@skrzat3483]

why would you love that???

[@meirisoda]

@@skrzat3483 sarcasm.

[@ville__]

I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS. I'm a 30+ year old media creator with aspergers syndrome who is a jack of all trades with a passion for fighting against cyberbullying. I've been doing these kinds of things for over 10 years and I've picked up a whole set of different skills along the way

[@bloodydove5718]

I think about this a lot too; Social media platforms are so concerned with ad revenue that they make having meaningful conversations (on social platforms they've designed for it) difficult to have. And thus their users needs to flex some creativity to simply have discussions that are relevant to their lives, on platforms that say they want people to be able to do that. The language that evolves is weird, annoying, but... Also very understandable with what they mean and why its a thing lol

[@mfuentes4961]

I think there needs to be more research done on the type/severity of those recorded cases within those surveys and reports because in some cases, quantity may not equal the level of severity of abuse/harassment happening within these schools. It could also provide a lot more context to the bullying culture within that area of the world and what level of bullying/abuse/harassment is being tolerated within the schools until it gets severe enough to report.

[@zeruiahthompson1406]

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[@aini_]

you’re an og!! thank you for being here :)

[@padorupadoru4477]

Could mention Hazing culture too. There has been multiple news reports in S.Korea and Singapore, where people have died in hazing rituals in the SK armed forces and SG firefighters. In a weird way, you have to be bullied first to become included, and it seems to be pretty prevalent in male-dominant social circles like the armed forces

[@ninjacats1647]

I thought hazing was an American cultural thing, its sad that it is a cross cultural phenomenon. I've been calling for the abolishing of hazing for some time now. If we can abolish dueling, we can abolish hazing too. I see elements of culture as trends over time. Some things fade away like dueling and gladiatorial combat. This shows me that elements of culture are not fixed and permanent, but can be altered with enough stigma for social change.

[@vkskms]

​@@ninjacats1647 it is an american thing that they brought over eg when the japanese colonized korea and the us got involved during the korean war. they wouldnt have these things if not for the american army bringing that culture over, you could even say that it was forcible

[@koharaisevo3666]

I still think the bullying rate statistics in East Asia is low because the victim didn't report, not because the fear the consequence but because they do not realize they are victim of bullying.

[@koharaisevo3666]

Or they do relize but refuse to accept.

[@AmberPatoc]

Or people will just victim-blame them if they report it

[@lucasprobably]

I wonder if the increased coverage and awareness of bullying as a societal issue in east asia, as well as shaping this negative perception, is also part of the reason they have seen the recent decline in bullying, while the west hasn't, since people would naturally be taking it more seriously and looking out for it more

[@julio9898]

i absolutely love how well produced your videos are from the research and siting to the visuals every time i see a new video of yours pop up i immeduately watch it!!

[@talievincent2184]

I always learn so much from your videos, you balance academic rigour with more accessible language and accompanying graphics. Thank you for all your hard work! The only drawback is it makes me impatient for your next video 😅

[@minigul]

this was honestly fascinating. i myself have definitely perpetuated the thought that "oh bullying is a big problem in east asia" purely because of how i have seen it portrayed in east asian media. its so interesting to me that east asian cultures might focus on bullying in media because its such a big deal to them i.e. seen as a collective failure. so much to think about and so much to reconsider about how i consume media!!! thank you for another wonderful thought provoking video essay!

[@bloodydove5718]

I dont want to turn this into an essay, so to sum up my point: In regards to bullying, if the only opinions in the west that are being listened to are from older generations, then the take-away is going to be seriously distorted because most of the conversation wont be heard. If you want to hear more of what I mean: I think in the West it's just the older generations that consider bullying just a physical thing. Based off my perception as a millennial born in 1990, having a litany of educators in my family and friend's group, as well as having mentored several people in Gen Z and Alpha... Millennials and younger do see far more than just physical aspect of bullying as bullying. Especially since the transition from the analogue era into the digital. If older Gen X, Boomers, and The Silent Generation are the only ones being listened to about Bullying in the west, then I could understand the argument. But the more populous generations who are the ones who've been dealing with and talking about it for the past number of years, seem to have a more nuanced and less dismissive understanding. For example: It's been a very common talking point in the west for years, that the internet has made it so that bullying isnt just regulated to physical locations such as school; there can be no getting away from it now because of the level of connection and access the internet provides everyone. People started talking about this back during AOL's chatroom days, and it made even bigger waves when myspace was popular and kids were unaliving themselves because of their treatment on it. That also happens to be something older generations struggle to understand, largely due to how far less they interact with the internet since their formative years and day to day arent as intertwined with it; they still think getting off social media will fix the situation.

[@dj.girlswholgirls]

west? you mean WHITE COUNTRIES. south OF white countries has nothing in common.

[@IshtarNike]

Yep. Emotional abuse is still abuse. Same way verbal bullying is still bullying.

[@dj.girlswholgirls]

@@IshtarNike says the racist begging in white

[@ville__]

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[@bloodydove5718]

@@ville__ Thats definitely not a decent strategy for building an audience; going underneath comments on other people's videos to talk about how you think you're better than "x" content creator, is going to make people more adverse to you than endeared. I mean you're disrespecting the person the people you're speaking to Chose to watch and are probably a fan of. Its also somewhat ironic because you're saying you're fighting against cyberbullying, while trying to syphon off someone's audience with arguing "I MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN THIS.".

[@reganlandau]

I'm really glad your channel landed on my recommended-- you've consistently presented lots of well-researched stuff in ways I'd never before considered. Thank you!

[@nadiyah5734]

Found this video so interesting and definitely food for thought but I'd also like to call attention to the VISUALS!! The editing...the graphics... the lighting... girl you have perfected this craft ❤

[@godsdaughter8439]

I think it's confirmation bias. We look at the outcry against bullying in the media in East Asia as confirmation that bullying there is terrible, when in reality the frequent outcries against bullying helps remind East Asian societies that bullying is wrong and not representative of what these countries find morally acceptable in how their societies should function. Therefore, the media representation is actually regulatory rather than representative. Meaning, the outcries help to keep cases of bullying down by reminding East Asian societies that that's not representative of who they want to be. The West sees the media examples as representative of the East Asian cultures when in reality the media is actually helping to reduce instances of bullying in East Asia in comparison to other western societies. EXCEPTIONAL video. Thank you for researching and sharing.

[@and7376]

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[@softpawbs2410]

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[@Raven-bi3xn]

Thank you for the video. Super educational as always. With regard to the US, I think a nuance that might have been missed in your video about North American society is that the treatment of national headlines are very selective depending on who the issue is associated with. For example, if a black person commits an act of violence, the interdependent point of view is strong in certain media attributing it to a broader problem in the black communities. Whereas if a white person goes to a school and shoots kids, the same media will attribute that to that white individual independent from the rest of white communities. Here is the key into understanding this collective vs individualistic treatment: Minorities are often deemed homogenously and colored as the same in the US. If one Asian person does something unpleasant, Asian hate grows in he US. If a Muslim commits an act of terrorism, all Muslims take the blame. But when it comes to (cishet) white people, they are the only group that can be collective and individualistic. You could be part of a Christian denomination and enjoy a collective identity, and simultaneously comfortably feel distanced from act of violence by mass school shooting in the US, majority of which are done by white assailants, as no one would say white people are terrorists in the most media. This is a privilege of not being a minority group. None of this is to say we are not more individualistic that South Korea or Japan - I would not make a comparison because I am not very educated on those two societies and have been learning from you. What I want to point out is that there is more to it that the binary of independent/individualistic vs interdependent/collectivist when it comes to the US. Another nuance about US not being as independent/individualistic as it looks like is the political mega-identity in the US developed in the last 2 ish decades. For that, if you are interested, read "Why we are polarized" by Ezra K. The core idea is that the interdependent collective political identity in the US has grown to the extend that where you do grocery shopping or by coffee could not be deemed as being part of a collective political mega identity even though your taste in coffee or where you grocery shop are individualistic choices. Last example. We are used to bully fat people and do fat shaming in the US. Very collectively. In the media, school, tv series and movies, late night shows, etc. Where we get collective to bully is nuanced.

[@rice_frying_shrimp]

When I was bullied I was once s*xually assaulted by the other kids and they regularly got within inches of killing me so I'm pretty numb to anything that isn't that. Needless to say I would have much preferred the East-Asian kind of bullying. I constantly tried excluding myself in order to escape the people bullying me. Had they just ignored me or called me names I probably wouldn't have even noticed.

[@rice_frying_shrimp]

By the way, that's just classic European bullying right there. School also gaslit me at every level, teachers and everybody higher up as well, even the school counselor. They just told me it was my fault for playing the victim. Playing the victim leading to what happened to me there. Classic. I was also physically assaulted by teachers twice and despite the fact that the entire class was watching, nobody spoke up in fear of retaliation. This is pretty common stuff here unfortunately. Two kids from my class killed themselves before they could ever graduate (despite the fact that you can choose to legally walk away from school at 14/15 to start working) and we had one of only a few nationally occurring school rampages in my district (basically what happens when school shooters don't get guns) and had around one bomb threat a year, this has continued on the same path since I graduated 5 years ago. The school was also swatted just last year, except it turns out it wasn't so much swatting as it was the result of some dipshits threatening teachers with an airsoft gun and then the special forces just targeting the wrong people.

[@aradcohen4309]

I am sorry that you went through that I hope you are doing better now

[@KhanhDinh291]

thats rough. would you mind if i ask which part of Europe you're in ?

[@rice_frying_shrimp]

@@KhanhDinh291 central. Not slavic, baltic, balkan, scandi or british. That’s all I‘ll say.

[@KhanhDinh291]

@@rice_frying_shrimp thanks for responding. thats quite surprising to me. i've always thought your experience was more common in more explicitly macho euro countries like the balkans or italian

[@cutienerdgirl]

I don't understand why some people are saying the USA doesn't acknowledge relational bullying. We literally have countless TV shows, news segments, movies, and PSAs that acknowledge relational bullying, especially when it transitions from the real world to social media.

[@Highschoolgiril]

Yea, the girl in the video is very one sided. There are news outlets that talk about and what to do about, but the girl didn’t put either because she didn’t find it or she just want east Asia to look like they are the only ones who care about bullying 😑

[@wannaufal416]

Its funny how low korea is considering most manhwa is based on high school bullying 😂

[@mourdredmourning3865]

Filipinos consider teasing as bullying so yeah we bully each other on a daily basis just for fun but never in my 20 years here in this country have I ever experienced nor witnessed extreme bullying (physical violence) around my area.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

What's ironic is that countries with the lowest rate of bullying have more physical violence bullying than us.

[@ToastieBRRRN]

Love the clever use of imagery by using the English Cross, showing how English students classes are divided based on their subject choices.

[@Leeknuar]

Off topic from the video: I absolutely enjoy watching/listening to your content! Your voice is so calm & soothing, and very easy to follow along with! The editing is also amazing! (Not to mention you’re very beautiful❤ ) Thank you for making your videos, I always look forward to a notification from your channel! ☺️🥰♥️

[@Beth-ux6jn]

This kind of analysis and commentary is crucial as our mainstream media landscape continues to diversify. I never even realised I held such biases and clearly the researchers of that study failed at that, too. I even found myself asking "but what about differences in definition/self-reporting" but she's so right to say that not controlling for or considering those variables wouldn't even address the objective of the study and render its results inconclusive. What a great video 🙌🏼✨️

[@gotkelpie]

i noticed that the bullying percentages cited were for ‘frequent’ bullying. something to consider is the possibility of a lower overall rate of bullying, but with a higher intensity when it does occur. it’s hard to measure something like that, but with that + possible reluctance to self report data, i think it could likely be more of a problem than is reflected statistically. from what i’ve heard and seen east asian bullying can be more extreme in terms of how it emotionally affects people and the consequences it has on their life

[@deadhouseplant1585]

Ok I can’t lie, this video was pretty vindicating. As someone who grew up in England I can say that I have seen many people verbally bullied and excluded but many people are reluctant to say anything about it. A lot of what took place was very insidious and would have flown under the radar of teachers and the more optimistic students. It was stuff like stealing school supplies, spreading rumours, verbally harassing during a lesson (so they couldn’t really escape) etc. This got especially bad in PE when they split apart boys and girls and put everyone into a competitive setting (I wonder how that could go wrong). There was also the issue of homophobia still being seen as pretty normal. People didn’t speak up about homophobic bullying because they didn’t see anything wrong with it. The same applied (to some extent) to people being made fun of due to their physical appearance. A lot of the anti bullying messaging we got when we were younger was very focused on physical and verbal bullying. There were attempts at explaining indirect and cyber bullying but it evidently didn’t work as some of the worst indirect bullying I personally experienced was in primary school. I forgot where I was going with this but I guess I’ll finish by saying thanks for the video and sorry for the essay.

[@jesslytomorrow]

Thanks a lot for your video! This is an important topic and you bring so much light into all of this ❤

[@StarstreamJester]

In primary school, kids are in the same classroom all day. The splitting doesn’t happen until middle school.

[@anny8720]

In my us elementary school, you would only switch classrooms and teachers for math I think starting from 3rd grade since that's when you start testing into G/T math classes

[@DavidRBrown7]

Growing up in Australia, I suffered some terribly bullying. While there was both physical and verbal bullying, most of it was cowardly and indirect (ie done behind the back). The worst example was when someone took a dump in my school bag and I had to throw away all my school books and the bag. The basis of the bullying was because I was one of the more intelligent pupils. Also, the people doing the bulling was not mostly male as there were groups of girls that would sometimes gang up on a wimpy boy and do for example hold him down and take off all his clothes (didn't happen to me though).

[@UndeadGirlCyber]

jfc I'm sorry that happened to you

[@caloocanboy5800]

What, I can't believe the graph says Philippines the most bullied country...waht?? Im from there and in my 14yrs of going to school of different levels I had never seen or encountered bullying, there is some teasing but it doesnt end in something awful and everything normal in the end, I also had never heard of any bullying from my siblings, cousins and friends who go to different schools. Or maybe people just hide it idk.

[@tableryu7557]

The data is based on self-reported incidents, so it could also be interpreted as the other countries, while having a lot of cases of bullying, don't really have a lot of the victims reporting that they're being bullied.

[@francisquebachmann7375]

sensitive people here considered your mom jokes or unfunny nickname as bullying. I've seen this during my high school years, which why i usually avoid joking around with a classmate that is not close to me. Violent bullying very rarely happens here and if it happens it usually gets broken up. What's funny is that violent bullying happens much often to east asia and the west.

[@nevercoald]

this was super eye-opening, i really liked how the information was presented. after watching a few other videos, i might have to subscribe! the editing was really good too. props to both of you for your hard work!

[@Nanancay]

Literally the best channel omfg - I love how you have an answer to every question, specifically about the underrepporting 😭 I still have a hard time believing studies, but if we can't believe any studies then what CAN we believe in 😩

[@rice_frying_shrimp]

I do admittedly think uses self-reported statistic about how frequently bullying happened in a collectivist society is a bit of a problem from a scientific perspective. Those are just never going to be entirely accurate because students will fear about the privacy of their data being mishandled and it possibly carrying some form of negative effect with it if they answer honestly so they might downplay or deny the situation in surveys.

[@sophierose6543]

Quite interesting having faced relational and verbal bullying and in group situations. The environment was quite close knit - the reaction of the adults in charge was to brush it off or that I was imagining it. There’s a very narrow window of what is viewed as bullying. Coming from the uk, as mentioned in another comment a lot of things get brushed off as joking.

[@jrstevie4241]

I’m a little late, but I just wanted to say I think you are a really talented journalist. This is the first one I watched and ended up binging almost all of the other videos you made. They are very thought provoking and well put together. Really good job with the references too. New sub and I can’t wait for the next one.

[@alwaysnamjooning1899]

I'd just like to say that as someone who grew up in East Asian cultures (China, Japan, and Korea) because of being raised with exchange students since before I could talk who I see as sisters, I feel at home here. Your exploration of these cultures that I feel such a connection with despite being a white Canadian makes me feel seen. I was a victim of relational bullying for my cultural differences and no one in the environment called it out even though it went on for years and years. My sister though (Japanese) IMMEDIATELY recognized it and actually reported it to the school when my parents would not. When you asked to think of an example of bullying I thought of relational examples whereas my mom who was raised with cultural values of Canada, thought of physical. I find this exploration so interesting and well thought out. Thank you for your videos. You're my comfort KZbinr

[@genepozniak]

I was shocked to find out that one of my adult brothers, a computer systems supervisor where he worked, had engaged with his other employees in relational bullying an employee who was on the autism spectrum (basically teasing the guy past the point he could handle). The guy eventually quit, but was so traumatized that he self-published a critique of his treatment at the company (not using real names). When my brother read the book, he was torn between finding it funny and being ashamed of himself (and I encouraged the shame). But there is an archetype for this situation of groups of humans bullying an adult who doesn't behave like "regular people": Milton, the "I'm going to burn the building down" character in the movie, Office Space.

[@clara-rq9my]

also, i'd just like to add something as somebody who was bullied myself: most victims don't tell anyone. partly from shame, partly for blaming themselves and even convincing themselves that they're exhagerating. so the statistics research on that topic is still taking babysteps, as we need more ways to be able to point out bullying other than the victims' words. i guess a better way would be to ask participants if they knew or saw someone being a victim instead for example. the silence doesn't come "just" from fear that it might get worse, so the study being anonymous doesn't do the trick to convince victims to report. and this fear of getting worse once you report it is a real possibility, it happened to me, so it's also understandable that the fact that their names won't be shown doesn't shake away that fear completely

[@yourlocalbagget2605]

Once again I learn more in this video than a day at school keep up the good work!

[@PJKim-2413]

Hey aini, thanks for this video essay. My heart was pounding a lot in the beginning, which made me wary about watching the video. But in the end, I thought that I should face my fear head-on. And honestly, i'm glad i did. As being half-korean, moving to Korea when I was 9 and dealing with the new environment was hard, to say the least. Especially during my elementary and early middle school years, I've dealt with the pettiness of some of my classmates, which also made me distance myself from them entirely. They would make fun of me from being a developing country, throw my shoes and bag at the trash can, and even taunt me while taking my things and calling me names. And when I try to confront them, I'd end up being the one who gets blamed. Those were some of the darkest times of my life. And without the moral support I got from my parents and community, I would've been done for. And when I look back, I wouldn't say that I was purely innocent either because I've been a part of the ignorant majority who were scared or wouldn't care for those who've had it worse. I understand now that what I and others have gone through is also a result of the flaws of some societal norms and culture we've been through and that it's important to not only see it as an individual matter, but a collective whole.

[@cassandra2968]

I’m from the U.S. and have dealt with both physical and verbal bullying from males; and verbal and relational bullying from females. I learned to retaliate by fighting back, throwing back insults or simply just giving people the cold shoulder. Deep down I am very empathetic towards people who have been bullied….but my experience from school, the workplace, and even losing “friends” make me distrust people. I guess it’s a good thing I was born in an independent society. Though I value friendships and family, it’s easy for me to know my own worth, and not blame myself when these relationships unexpectedly go downhill.

[@allluvin7977]

Wow I admire your strength to endure. I have experienced relative bullying which was better than being physically or verbally bullied, still hurt. I felt so isolated and so lonely it hurt to the point I could feel myself hurting physically.

[@markigirl2757]

Same tho I physically fought off and threw back pretty cruelty throughout my youth-as soon as I realized how wrong it was I froze when I dealt with work/school based psychological bullying and beating people up or telling them they are worthless could get me fired or lose a job 😅

[@reverie6034]

I wonder how the data correlates or does not correlate to work culture in East Asia? So kids aren’t being bullied in school so why then when they enter the workforce is it such a brutal environment? Or is that a misperception as well? Or are they fundamentally different situations that should not be thought about together? I have so many questions. Great video

[@edvaedan9161]

I really enjoy your essays. Well written and thought provoking.

[@cesaravegah3787]

Bullying on Korea is undereported because it is so bad and so common that the victims are conditioned to keept silent

[@rjlee-cc4xy]

Stats? I don’t fully doubt you or anything, it’s just a lot of people have been claiming this and I wonder how this is a certain fact.

[@Lol.dllllllllllllrioeh]

I have lived in Korea for decades and have never seen school violence. It's annoying when people who aren't even Korean spread fake information about Korea. They even deny statistics.

[@nannanteapartyprincess]

It's a video about bullying in East Asia, but I wanted to put my 5 pennies in about bullying in Belarus (since I went to school here). It's pretty nuanced: the bullying is pretty collectivist in a way. I relate a lot to being excluded (literaly ailenated) and face verbal attack every weekday and even physical bullying too, but probably not that bad as other have. The physical aspect would be - getting pinched, kicked in the knees (or other parts, one dude hit my head really hard), putting the leg out for me to trip on it and so on. And all of them were fast too, so I could never answer them back. Verbally they called me every word in the dictionary (cow, hippo, phsyco, virus and so much more) and threatened to call the cops, nut house on me and just treated like extremely unpleasant person to be around. Idk about rumours tho, never experienced it. I don't feel like spreading rumours is really big here, but it's just my perspective. All of that bullying was coming solely from boys tho, girls never did even 10% of what they did (maybe exclusion and talked shit behind my back, Idk).There were some girls who wanted to befriend be tho, but they never did bc I was that singled out and considered weird. Still managed to have girl friends tho. Other forms of bullying involved tossing things around, ripping appart my drawings or stomping on them, trowing my backpack in a trashbin and just not letting me rest, always bothering me. And bullying is not exclusive just for kids - teachers and adults too! My elementary school teacher was pure evil witch! She called us dumb (in creative way), screamed at us. tossed us around and did really bad things (like one time I drew a star on a desk to kill time and she took me by my hand, put infront of a mirror and drew a star on my forehead to "teach a lesson"). And talking about adults, my own grandfather contributed to bullying: he often "joked" about how bad of a kid I am, pinched my ears or nose if I "misbehaved" and even once choked me as a joke (I'm not kidding). So here's that. In general, enviroment is not that bad with other kids, but they often faced bullying in school too. And the thing is that many might not even call it "bullying", bc it's just considered a norm. "Who wasn't puched/insulted as a kid? Many, so stop complaining, it's not that serious". When I talk about fights, it usually would be pulling each other by clothes or hair, tossing around and trowing into desks, for example. And it would be taken lightly. So in general - adults are really numb to bullying in school and kids, who grow up in this enviroment, tend to overlook that too and maybe not report it much. My case was just pretty bad, even tho physical aspect wasn't considered as "outside of the norm", so that's why I see through this bs. I'm not sure if other's people cases are as bad, but you should understand: I had speech development issues, pretty sure I have autism and ADHD based on my expreience then and now and I didn't have secure and stable family, so bullying for me was BAD.

[@holographictheory1501]

It seems like a similar problem with America being perceived as having a larger racism problem than Europe, despite studies showing that Americans, on average, are less racist than most European countries -- the takeaway being that because we discuss it much more as a society, it's perceived to be a more prevalent and extreme problem than other countries that don't.

[@markigirl2757]

Thisssss! Tho racist systems still exist racissm in an individual has definitely decreased significantly! Especially in the last decade! I recall the Mexican/latina hate train when I was a school! It made my parents leave churches bc it was super common among Christians in mega churches at the time. But now I never or hear any of that as much as it used to. Seems to me only the older gen tend to be more overtly racists but some younger ones do it to be edgy

[@leanagauvin1359]

I love your videos they are so well edited! You do a lot of research and it shows, you are very clear and you have very interesting topics to share. Thank you for your hard work!

[@aespa690]

Another aini video! my favorite youtuber of any content! im actually learning so much