Airscape Airtight Coffee Canister vs Atmos Vacuum Canister

[@JiriUL]

As a person who has spent more than 24 years in technical service and design I can say this: A simple mechanical solution (provided it is designed and manufactured) always beats complex designs in terms of longevity and being fail-proof. It is a rule of thumb you can bet on no matter what industry you work in.. When looking at the mechanical design of the two competitors I can also see the main setback of Atmos - 1. Complex mechanism necessary to generate negative pressure (be aware this is not full-fledged vacuum..) Such pump mechanism will always bring some troubles on the way since there are rotating parts. 1.1 Also, there is a need of of one way sealing valves which do fail over some period of time (they will loose their sealing capability due to aging of the material they are made from). Moreover, by mere twisting of the lid you barely pump all air out from the jar since the pump design limits the max. negative pressure ! 1.2 Once you create negative pressure, it always naturally wants get balanced with the outside atmospheric pressure - in another words, it wants to suck-in some air from the outside and thus creating strain on one-way valve and sealings. And since they are not 100% tight they will surely allow some air in over the time. This is inevitable. 2. The Airscape design on the other hand, uses an old, time-proven design when you get rid of the air by limiting the empty space around the protected items by pushing against it with a sealed cylindrical valve which is super simple solution. 2.1 Since you don't need to generate negative pressure, but rather push the excess air out, there will not be the effect of the "pressure balancing"- so no fresh air from the outside will be sucked in. 2.2 Moreover, the wear and tear of the mechanical parts will be minimal. The only spare part needed will be a new sealing ring for the "push-valve". And that's it. So to me the Airscape is clearly a better, reliable design which can achieve the desired effect of preserving freshness of the stored items.

[@xjaireyes]

if anyone's looking for any real world review of the atmos, i've had mine for more than a year now, while it still works, a common issue with it is that the vacuum seal will eventually fail. mine can't keep it's seal for more than 2 days anymore. If you make coffee every single morning, that wouldn't be an issue. But for me, I usually keep two different beans at a time. There would also be some days where I don't feel like making coffee at all. It should hold for 3+ days for a week old beans. Fellow recognizes this problem and their solution to it is to just blow at the valve to clear out any dust/particles that accumulated. But since there isn't any seal at all once the vacuum releases, I would sometimes forget to reseal the canister for days. I would've been better off just leaving my beans on the packaging it came with

[@Hillbillyspree]

The vacuum fails because fresh coffee beans give off CO2. There will still be no oxygen in the atmos even if the vacuum "fails" which is the contributor to staleness.

[@zackgraymes3665]

@@Hillbillyspree this still happens when your atmos is empty. The seal just fails.

[@Hillbillyspree]

@@zackgraymes3665 not to me. I've never had that happen. I use one for brown sugar and have never had an issue with the seal.

[@zackgraymes3665]

@@Hillbillyspree not to you, but to me and seemingly others.

[@dubtube6691]

My air scape is 10 years old and still working every day 3-4 Times 👍

[@dubwork]

only the lid is not that clear any longer, more brownish after time

[@chrissandoval7675]

been using airscape for a few years and they work great. that plunger valve makes an incredible difference, combined with the gasketed lid to keep moisture out, i'm voting airscape. i do very much like atmos' idea and hope the two team up someday. i'm an older man and i just don't have it in me to spend that much time shaking a jar. the more you use from the jar, the more air gets in, the you have to shake and by then your coffee's cold.

[@jules5350]

I had several Atmos containers in various sizes and none of them stayed sealed. It didn’t matter how well I twisted the top or that the green button became visible. Within 24 hours the lid would become lose. I much prefer the Airscape canisters.

[@TheDjentlman]

If the beans are always fresh this is likely due to the amount of Co2 coming out of the beans themselves. Try it without any?

[@davidhunternyc1]

Yes, the Atmos is still sealed. It’s CO2 coming out.

[@rlucho555]

Atmos says they have a lid problem, so just contact them, they will offer u a refund or just to wait for new Lids to be ready, it's a known issue.

[@rlucho555]

@@davidhunternyc1 nope, they acknowledge they have a lid issue, so now if u Contact them they will offer u a refund or to wait for the new Lids to be ready to ship and replace yours.

[@jules5350]

@@rlucho555 that’s ok, I am done with these containers

[@TheVinl82]

What do you think about how coffee freshness is affected by light in clear canister? Is it only affected by sunlight or all.

[@zedorda1337]

UV protection would make clear containers just fine but truth is it would take some time to affect coffee through direct sunlight. Like repeated over days so just not storing it in direct sunlight fixes that problem if not UV protected already. Artificial light sources would take many years to equal direct sunlight.

[@lelandphill4408]

I have the airscape and have used it daily for about a year.( love it.) I like the concept of the atmos. Maybe when they offer larger capacity I’ll buy one.

[@Frenchpresscoffeelove]

Thank you!

[@KaizenOz]

Atmos loses its seal after a day or two

[@AndyS2K76]

@@KaizenOz it',s not true. co2 equalize the pressure but no air get insiede

[@timothyclingerman5430]

@@KaizenOz No, actually I have kept a kind blend in an Atmos for nearly 2 MO. and it is still fresh

[@taneliharkonen2463]

This totally glosses over the fact that the other creates a vacuum and the other doesnt. Being just air tight prevents new air from entering the canister, but the air inside (rather in between) the coffee is not removed at all. When on the other hand the other removes part of the air in the container. I dont feel this was a particularly good review. The reviewer seems to lack knowledge on what the product aims to accomplish..

[@JorgeAlvarado-nx9tv]

I have one fellow atmos. Storage is a bit insufficient, and maybe if you need preserve that small amount of coffee, probably don't need a special canister for it, cause the bag its more than enought. But it looks so cool, that i bought another one whit the labor's day discounts.

[@Frenchpresscoffeelove]

Thank you!

[@darrelllannigan1560]

The Airscape containers have been fantastic.

[@MCPAN211]

still happy with them?

[@Coffeeluver22]

You never mentioned the inside part is for degassing newly fresh beans that are roasted.

[@ginojeffries4285]

I wanted to say I bought one of these without knowing anything about them and damn I got lucky. It keeps the beans much fresher than other thing I’ve gotten

[@ginojeffries4285]

I’m sorry I bought the air escape canister

[@charliecrash3450]

Can Argon Gas (used with preserving wines & spirits) be employed with Displacement type canisters, inorder to purge unwanted Oxygen before sealing?

[@EarthbendR]

The Atmos is a waste of money. Bought 2, they didn’t vacuum seal for more than one day. I should have researched the Atmos more before buying. So many people have this same issue, and Fellow are aware of this it. I got sucked into the new Fellow Atmos collaboration with La Colombe, because it looked really nice…my own fault. Lesson learned: do my homework. Currently Fellow offer replacement lids, which will just do the same thing. They are currently working on a new lid, but they are still selling the defective canisters. I’m going to try the airscape…after some more research 🧐

[@bokz4482]

I have both and Atmos actually works better than airspace, I bought 2 lbs of coffee and store 1lb on each and take coffee alternate from each container everyday and the one from airscape tends to require more adjustments on my coffee grinder than the beans from Atmos.

[@rlucho555]

Atmos have lid troubles, they are not selling directly from their website anymore because of this, they don't have an ETA rn for new Lids, but is a known problem, the container loses airtight.

[@jr6949]

@@rlucho555 is there any news about this problem please?

[@rlucho555]

@@jr6949 i think its fixed for new products you can buy now, but now they don't sell to EU, only UK and USA. The ones i bought at amazon spain (7 months ago) both are working fine without issues.

[@icowrich]

The only real advantage to an Atmos that I can think of is aesthetic. They look fantastic. And I like the idea of getting a clear one so I can put a coffee bean label on the inside so I know which beans are where. Other than that, though, it seems that the Airscape works better. It doesn't create a vacuum, which means it won't suck the CO₂ out of the beans prematurely. The plunger really minimizes the volume of air, which should keep it fresher than an Atmos would unless the Atmos was totally full. But, because the differences in freshness as tested by many other KZbinrs I've seen are minor, I think I might just go for the aesthetics.

[@DR19X]

I get the idea of the airscape but will not regular bag with valve have less air since you pinch it close to the coffee? I do not understand why would they manufacture an issue (large container = more air) then give you a plunger solution to get to what the bag with the valve does. what do you think?

[@The_Cali_Dude_88]

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[@davidhunternyc1]

Sometimes I think these storage containers are solutions searching for a problem. Most coffee bags are airtight too. If you plan on drinking a 12 oz bag within a month, why not keep coffee in the original bag in the refrigerator? Contrary to popular belief, refrigerators are dry places. My humidistat shows only 18% humidity.

[@ChurroWaffles]

Refrigerating Coffee Beans won’t do it any good. Now, Freezing them if you don’t plan on getting through them right away does help but only if your beans are sealed shut in a Vacuum. There’s more risk of your Coffee Beans tasting like whatever is in your fridge and your food tasting like your Coffee if you Refrigerate it. A dark, cool, and dry environment is all your beans need.

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@ChurroWaffles A refrigerator is dark, cool, and dry. A glass mason jar works great. No food flavors inside. Besides, my fridge is as clean as a whistle. In hot, humid environments, a fridge is a great place to store coffee.

[@ChurroWaffles]

I’m really digging the Atmos and I actually am a big sucker for Fellow products but something about the Airscape really gets me.

[@TheCurlyFitChicOriginal]

I like and use the Airscape Ceramic Canisters.

[@zedorda1337]

Good quality original containers are the best for short term storage and immediate frequent use. There are millions of dollars that have been spent to research these disposable clean maintenance free containers. For longer term storage putting the unopened original container in an airtight storage container will benefit it's longevity. The next step would be to control the temp and humidity so access to the coffee does not overly expose it to new air. A walk in cooler is great but a cool dark place with low humidity like a basement pantry works fine also. Oh and before people point out that many cafe and roasters only supply plain brown paper bags for their coffee beans when they sell them. I assume since you are already know where to buy your coffee you are smart enough to know I am not talking about those bags. And that these products are trying to fill that market and doing just fine. I am talking to those who buy their coffee from the "other" places. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* =-P

[@archiealbarico1446]

can it be used for liquid also

[@kathygraham9322]

Very helpful. Thank you!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Great video fun and informative, nicely done

[@Wesmosis]

Nice vid, thanks!

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

Atmos is too small.

[@stevefordham1740]

Atmos by a mile. Pushing out some air is not nearly as effective as a vacuum seal. The process doesn't get impacted by the size of your hands or the amount of beans.

[@Frenchpresscoffeelove]

Thank you!

[@MrBahBZ]

This is incorrect. I wrote another post on it in the main comments

[@stevefordham1740]

@@MrBahBZ don't see it. However, I am correct. You are entitled to your opinion.

[@MikeTrieu]

But then the vacuum is causing accelerated off-gassing of the CO2 within the beans (read: stale). If you're doing pour-over, that just kills the bloom right there.

[@ProgressiveEconomicsSupporter]

And you get nothing like a real vaccum there. How much underpressure is possible like this? 0.5 atm?

[@oneofthesixbillion]

I just spent 5 minutes watching you and then you refer your results to someone else?!

[@jaekn]

Is this a new Mikey Day character? Coffee guy with 1995 hair?

[@lancebeare8314]

I like the hotty at the end, she should do the videos...no offense bro

[@DR19X]

we all do

[@newtonkwan8835]

So... Which one is better in terms of storing coffee??? Such a long useless video...😩

[@paulb8188]

I agree, USELESS. I get the impression, that he wants to satisfy both manufacturers. thumbs down.

[@davidhunternyc1]

What? You’re the reviewer and you leaned on another review for an opinion?

[@limodrivermike]

i take atmos as they don't do the virtue signaling for blm and other nonsense

[@23894732498723498732]

Thank you for the great video! I have heard that coffee beans are best 3-10 days after roasting. Supposedly, these additional resting days are necessary to allow carbon dioxide to off gas from the coffee to a satisfactory level. My question is this - Does the airscape prevent this off gassing process from happening? If so, should I leave my beans in an air permeable bag or container for the first 3-10 days then transition the beans into the airscape? Thank you in advance!

[@ChurroWaffles]

Gas will find a way out of a container no matter what. Even in Atmos containers it will offset the vacuum created that is why they recommend reapplying the vacuum every 3 days if you have freshly roasted beans. In the case if the Airscape, CO2 will still find a way to leave the vessel but it may not he necessary to reapply the seal unlike every now and then like the Atmos.

[@timothyclingerman5430]

@@ChurroWaffles it is simple, you can even use Vacu-seal bags as long as you leave verry little airspace in the bag.

[@the_original_mathwiz]

If you leave the handle of the Airscape lid in the up position, the valve is open so the beans can off-gas just as if they were in a bag with a valve on it. The caveat is you can not fill the canister completely with beans and put the outer lid on. So with the inner lid on and pressed down until contact with fresh beans and the handle up, you have the best scenario for storing freshly roasted beans.