THE AIRSCAPE - A Better Storage Solution For Coffee

[@speaknup8009]

I have both atmos and airscape containers. I prefer to use the airscape, primarily because they are much easier, faster to use. Also, when I place beans into the airscape, I like to cut the label off the bag, write the date onto it, and place it into the airscape in the space just below the top-most cover. This way, I always know what's in the container and how old they are.

[@Nicole-yw4vq]

I have an airscape as well and thougt about the fellow one, but now I will buy another airscape. Convenience is important to me, so thank you.

[@procrusteus]

Thanks for the great tip!

[@einsomniumkm]

That's an awesome tip!

[@billexley2148]

I've had an Airscape (stainless steel) for years and haven't noticed any seal issues. Works well for me. Nice video.

[@Sprometheus]

Glad to see all these folks who’ve been using them without issue for while. I will be investing in a couple more.

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

Same for me i just bought a coper one few days ago , i was looking for one to fit my la pavoni pro coper/wood accent .

[@jokirk6630]

I just purchased the airscape after doing research like you did. I bought the metal container because I like keeping my beans in the dark, like my soul😉

[@portnaluinge]

I’ve been using a pair of metal Airscapes for a couple of years now and really like them. They’re quick and fuss free, and have been faultless in use.

[@Sprometheus]

That’s good to hear, hopefully it’s the same for the glass and ceramic. For some reason I don’t like the feel of metal canisters.

[@DosZebrasLisas]

I like your hypothesis. I recently bought a very fresh coffee, and I didn't like it at all at the beginning. So I started researching a bit, and apparently "fresh" is not always optimal for certain flavors. So, in my personal experience, that explanation makes sense. It's like "we want it to evolve, but up to a certain point".

[@jeremypatrick2143]

I have an "Airscape" -type container from Crate&Barrel from +5years ago and the seal has never dried out, probably because it has absorbed oils from coffee over time. My opinion is that it is a definite aesthetic upgrade for a countertop coffee bar setup. However, as an avid drinker, I found myself reverting back to bags over the years out of quick convenience. Especially with the large containers, I found it can take a few seconds to press all of the air out of the container. And, I generally press slow to ensure I do not break the seals. As the coffee runs low, it takes longer and longer to press the top all the way to the bottom. Last and most important, back to aesthetics, almost every roster puts as much detail into his/her bags artwork as they do their roast. And so to dump the beans and discard the bad is almost a sin! When I used these cans, I would use a rubber band to wrap the bag around the cylinder to keep it around for the life of the beans. Thanks for your content Spro!

[@jonathanl2748]

Great idea! The bag label will also serve to remind one of what beans they’re drinking.

[@andreavon3551]

I roast my own coffee, so storage for me was important. I started with Atmos but wasn’t in love with the system, purchased one Airscape and loved it. I still use the Atmos for small batches that I don’t need often, but use the 3 Airscape on daily basis because it’s easy to use. Interesting video, thanks for putting it together.👍

[@danh4351]

Bought the "Kilo" in matte Black. Love the large capaciuty, as my favorite coffee comes in 2 lb bags,

[@brendansmith]

Biggest benefit of Airscape over Atmos is that Atmos loses its seal if you don't open and reseal daily (or close to it). I have several coffees I'm rotating through at once so I often find Atmos just sitting there doing nothing because it didn't hold. I also had a lid fail on me. Airscape is great in the at home sizes as well as Kilo for coffee shops and I use the bucket insert lid with a food grade bucket for coffee destined for the espresso hopper overnight. Great line of products!

[@dog-jk2hn]

It's not that it loses it's seal. It's that the coffee in there releases co2 which fills up some of that space in the vacuum. That co2 isn't reactive with the coffee, it isn't going to cause it to degrade, and so it makes absolutely no difference if you reseal it.

[@iSchmidty13]

The Atmos has to speed up CO2 release in comparison to the others, because it’s a vacuum. In the containers with simple one-way valves the gas has to build up before it’s released, in the Atmos the gas wants to leave the beans as fast as possible to equalize.

[@user-fx5sw4jy7hYz9Hzi]

That is you absolute anecdotal statement without science. Vaccum doesn't suck out CO2 as you seen from the video. It retains it. Vaccum also doesn't suck out the aroma. Aroma and CO2 is only effected by the oxygen. Not vaccum.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

I'd say it's the opposite (as eluded to in the video). If you think about it, Once the empty space in an Atmos is filled with CO2, the beans will stop off gassing as there is nowhere for the gas to go. With something like an Airscape, once the empty space is filled with CO2, the pressure release valve just releases CO2 whenever the beans offgas.

[@iSchmidty13]

@@fuzziestlumpkin but the atmos always has a vacuum When the little vacuum marker pops back up just pump the air out and its a vacuum again

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

@iSchmidty13 If you micro manage it like that, then you may be correct that you can draw more CO2 out with an Atmos... but watching your coffee bean canister so that you can depressurise it whenever any pressure builds up seems like a bit much to me. Maybe I'm not committed enough and should just stick to the bag from the roaster ;)

[@JeremyLanou]

On my second Atmos lid and it again doesn't keep the seal overnight. Might go back to the Airscape, which is what I had before but gave it away when I got the Atmos. Thanks for the comparison vid!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I have a larger sized steel airscape and really like it. Decided to get a ceramic medium size one and found it is not nearly as good of a fit for the inner seal. It's very loose fitting with a larger rubber gasket so like you said it's easy to tilt one way and break the seal. Just pushing or pulling on it too fast can break the seal. The steel one was better fitted and actually seemed like it sealed better. I haven't tried the glass. Do you find the ceramic and glass are both loose? Maybe you should try a steel one too and see how they compare.

[@dparad22]

I use both as two separate containers when I get a 2 lbs bag (family drinks a lot of espresso bevs), with the atmos being small in size and the airscape being larger. I start with airscape and finish the rest of the coffee beans from the atmos. The flavors end up being pretty comparable. The airscape needs some room at the top to let air out and plunge the seal so that's why overflow goes to the atmos.

[@Sprometheus]

Not a bad way to go about it, especially since I find the Atmos seems to be a bit better on the longer term.

[@daRock1212]

Maybe the duller taste from the Atmos has to do with the effect of the vacuum on coffee volatiles. The lower pressure from the vacuum will pull out CO2, but it will also likely pull out the volatile aromatic compounds from the coffee (if you can smell it in the canister, then it won't make it to the cup). The Airscape just removes headspace so aromatics aren't being yanked from the beans, and keep a high partial pressure of CO2 and volatiles with the reduced headspace. I'm with you on the bag, it's a bit of a pain to make sure it's sealed properly, and I find it more difficult to single dose from multiple times a day than a canister and a scoop. But I'm happy with a few Airscapes and Coffeevacs for my purchased and home-roasted beans. Each has been durable, have one-way valves, and are cost effective.

[@Sprometheus]

I would be curious to have a true scientist test the effects of the vacuum valve on the coffee, but I’m with you ink thinking that has to be the culprit as it seems to be the only negligible difference between the two containers.

[@wynparksook5286]

Having used both the Airscape and the Atmos, I find the Airscape easier and more pleasurable to use. Considering that I finish my coffee beans quickly I feel the difference is negligible. Having said that Spro’s theory is interesting although I would imagine it may work on certain beans and not others?

[@brentroman]

Hey @spro - So, I guess my question is this: Does the Airscape have a Co2 de-gassing valve built into that lid? There should be a happy medium somewhere. Coffee bags have the valve, but don't flush out the air/O2, and like you said, some don't reseal/seal well enough. The Atmos takes out the air, but I wonder about the C02 off-gassing without a valve. It seems like what you are saying is that any C02 is able to escape out of the Airspace. My first coffee canister was a simple canister with a valve at the top. (but no displacement of air inside) Then I got the Airscape and saw an improvement. Then I jumped on the 'Fellow-oh-so-cool-and-shiny-and-new' bandwagon and got two Atmos. One has failed on me. (Don't get me started on Fellow,...especially regarding their stock burrs for the ODE). Anyway,...yeah, for me so far, the Airscape has been the best. I also have a vacuum food sealer with an retractable handheld sealer that I think would be perfect if I could find a container big enough that would be compatible. ...always trying to improve.

[@beaver6d9]

I've loved my stainless Airscape for the past 4 years, seals are still in great shape thanks to oil keeping them slick and not overwashing that part of the container. I'd like to see how each does when removing a daily quantity of beans because a mostly empty Airscape will have less actual air than a mostly empty atmos, but a full atmos would have less actual air than a full Airscape due to the vacuum. My guesstimate is that they kinda equal out in the end.

[@cheesychester9647]

Yeah I need one of these. I have two Fellow Atmos containers and have had a ton of issues with them holding their seal.

[@kuafg]

I use the weber workshop coffee vaults (plastic version, I'm not rich). I would be interested in how these would compare to the atmos and airscape. I like the single dose aspect as I can pre-weigh an 18 g dose that I use for both espresso and filter (yay workflow!). It is a little different than the the other two methods in that there is no evacuation, just a one way valve. In my head there isn't much room in the tubes for air and eventually it gets displaced w/CO2 during off gassing and you only re-expose the beans to poison air right before grinding. I have a few atmos' and while the hiss is undoubtedly satisfying, I got tired of cranking that lid, workflow again. Also, interesting finding on the atmos beans having more CO2! That is not what I would expect considering it is putting the beans under negative pressure which I thought would speed up the off-gassing.

[@Fuuntag]

I used a displacement container with a valve for two years daily in 2020 and earlier this year, the feedback when closing/sealing & opening them is satisfying AF. I’d store a months worth of beans at max. Crema in espresso vs using a plastic container was substantially better even just after a week. Interesting observations on degassing. I had never thought of that! I’d be interested to see a coffee tested 7-14-30 days after roasting in bags vs the container in espressos or pour overs.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I think there’s still a lot of possible tests to be done, in terms of longer and maybe shorter term storage.

[@george_taylor]

I've noticed that my Atmos pops the green button quicker with fresh, new coffee and needs re-sealing but as time goes by this lessens which I've put it down to off-gassing of the beans. I've been using the atmos since you reviewed it and I'm impressed enough that this video reminded me that I had intended to order another, which I've just done. Thanks for emptying my wallet again Spro! :)

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I had noticed the same thing with the Atmos, the pressure built up will break the seal eventually. Which I think is why it keeps it pressure instead of a slow degassing, but I think has something to do with it slightly dulling the flavor and aroma

[@george_taylor]

@@Sprometheus I did wonder if it messed with the natural process of de-gassing. Perhaps the trick is to only put the beans in a vacuum container after 7-10 days so that they've been allowed the chance to vent a good proportion of CO2.

[@edwarschilka8411]

I’ve got both, bought the small sizes because they hold what I can roast on my Hottop also bought them because I was tired of cleaning out my valve bags. The Atmos has been a dissapointment from the start. I find the seal very temperamental and often find that it has released itself. The other point I’d like to contribute is being older and starting to experience arthritis in my hands, the twisting of the Atmos top is fatiguing. The Airscape is definitely easier on the hands except for the top which seals so well its sometimes is a struggle to remove. I don’t think my post roast weights of 185 or so grams last long enough to worry about freshness so I can’t comment on that. Cheers.

[@nolancapps7299]

I have an Atmos and it’s doing a great job. I’ve had it only for 5 months but, in the time I’ve had it never had an issue.

[@personontheinternet2164]

Yoooo I love my airscape to bits and pieces. Dope video, Spro.

[@Sprometheus]

Glad to hear that, thanks for watching my friend!

[@omdeeppabla6111]

I have an Atmos. I have noticed as well it keeps the coffee fresh longer, however the taste does become dull.

[@Sprometheus]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s has this experience!

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Love my Airscapes. I have 6 of them. I'd have an Atmos but I've seen too many failures with them. A roommate of mine had his seal fail after 2 weeks and the warranty replacement lasted 3 months. I also have other friends that have had issues with them.

[@Sprometheus]

It’s pretty interesting to hear these stories. I had 4 of them for a couple years, at this point only one has failed, but after sharing them on my review I’ve been in emailed countless times with horror stories and thought I should see what else is out there. Glad to hear people who are early adopters if the Airscape are happy.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@Sprometheus 25% failure is really bad in itself. I could see that with a decent product after years of use. I'd love to see Fellow's data on warranties. And we can't know what has failed out of warranty. But I'd love to see the 3 and 5 year reliability of these things.

[@bacca71]

Have used the Fellow Atmos for some time for short-term coffee storage (10-14 days) for some time. Have had zero issues with the system; coffee remains fresh tasting (and behaving the same for grinding and extraction) during this time. The complaints about the Atmos not keeping a vacuum may be misinterpreted: While you can pull a pretty good vacuum initially, the out-gassing of CO2 reduces the level of vacuum, but because CO2 is protective of the coffee (no oxygen) this does not matter at all. It's CO2 in there, not oxygen.

[@Sprometheus]

I think a lot of users are aware that the degassing CO2 does slowly release the seal. The problem is the lids either bit sealing, or holding a seal for only a short time as they can be faulty. A user had emailed me about their experiences ordering a few of them with lids that won’t seal, received replacements, only a couple of them would seal, opened up and found different sized seals in the ones that don’t work. They informed Fellow and according to the user (who gains nothing from lying to me) said they told him they knew about the issue. This isn’t to say they don’t work well when they work, but I don’t think there much if any misinterpretation there.

[@magelinekelley7536]

Hi! Thanks for the review. I just bought an electric self-vacuuming canister called Soul Hand. It’s a nice canister in that it self vacuums whenever the beans releases carbon or when it de-gases. Do you have any opinion on this type of activity by the canister? Shouldn’t some of that carbon be retained in the coffee or is it a benefit that the canister releases it when the beans de-gases as you pointed out that the airscape traps the carbon gas the beans are releasing? It would be nice if you can review the product. Thanks for all the videos you have made. They are very informative.

[@nvalley]

I use my airscapes for "long term" storage (5+ days). Since I roast my own I have my current use product in a 1 pint mason jar, and when that empties I decant the 7" airscape as a refill. I use a second 4" airscape for espresso roast storage with no decanting or separate container.

[@kmprnd31]

i have a glass flower vase with a smooth round top that easily holds a 1 pound coffee bag and a vacuum sealing lid that releases and reseals when ever i need to grind the beans. Takes less then 2 minutes put in the bag and suck out the air and the vacuum holds for a lot of days. Any unopened bags will be vacuum sealed in vacuum sealing bags and stored in a cool place.

[@ethiopianbuffman]

I only put coffees in my atmos that are almost ready to brew with due to the fact that it slows down the co2 release. This kind of mitigates the problem. If I was to store right off roast to drink over time I’d opt to use the airscape

[@Hammi4Real]

I have an Airscape in brushed steel, 500g with plastic lid. Mine doesn't have the name labelled on the side and there's no lock symbol inside. I think I have an older variant. Of course there's the patent on the bottom and the name of the product. I mean, it certainly is a way to store coffee but I find myself having to slowly pull on the "plunger" every morning while half asleep before running to work. As for freshness, I guess it does make a small difference in daily affairs even though I haven't fully observed how quickly beans usually go stale. I'd say after a few weeks or so in the Airscape, only then does the espresso become soupy. Taste wise, it retains the same flavour but then again I drink them the day after roasting because time constraints. Sometimes I wonder if the Airscape is properly sealed when I push the thing down, hoping it makes good contact along the walls and the coffee. And sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice when I chose this over the Atmos (mainly it was due to local availability). At least the Airscape pushes the air out, which can't be said of mason jars and the other questionable "coffee canisters" on Amazon. Thanks for doing a bit on this, I think I needed some reassurance about my purchase. After all, freshness was indeed the main priority in the first place.

[@Beati3]

I store my beans in a ceramic jar with a silicone seal. Long term storage isn't an issue as I use about 300gm of beans a week. My fortnightly coffee subscription of 500gm of beans, means I need a 250gm top-up every month to get through. No beans get old in my house. When I take coffee to work to use with the Picopresso, I vacuum seal my 17gm of ground coffee in little bags. They go in my dark desk drawer, and these are good for about 4 days.

[@YodisMatt83]

Well dang, hadn't heard of the Atmos issues before this video. Told my wife about them when she was wondering about a Christmas gift idea for me. Fingers crossed if she got one its a good one.

[@Jt.Dwiggins]

I’ve had two atoms lids that have ceased to work so I’m stoked to maybe try the airscape

[@Sprometheus]

Definitely a lot less to go wrong with them that’s for sure. Seems folks who’ve had them much longer than me really find them pretty flawless.

[@deniscore000]

Thanks for the content! How about resting freshly roasted beams in the Airscape? Tks

[@christopherbuck7679]

I use a standard vacuum bag system, put 100 gms per bag. Once vac’d and sealed it’s in the freezer so a 1kg bag doesn’t go to waste, I use approx 80 to 100gms per day.

[@GraceofGosh]

I have a prepara "evak" from amazon which is very similar to this.

[@braxtonjens7839]

I’ve used Atmos for a while now. Been questioning keeping them around, as I don’t really use them anymore. Keeping coffee on the bag but using a hair tie or rubber band to keep the air out has worked great.

[@tykjpelk]

No surprise to me that the Atmos makes the coffee a bit duller. When I was home roasting and thirsty I tried to accelerate the degassing by putting the coffee beans in a vacuum chamber. Barely even took it to half an atmosphere for 5 minutes, but that was enough to get rid of most of the bloom, the carbonic acid flavor, and a lot of the clarity with it. I've later talked with Tim Wendelboe who says he sometimes does the same with a manually vacuum pumped lunchbox and gets the same result.

[@TheBrokenEclipse]

Thanks for this video, this made me decide to go with the Airscape instead of the Atmos

[@BensCoffeeRants]

The atmos should allow for offgassing still doesn't it? It just breaks the vacuum seal when it happens no? I haven't had one but heard people say it does that. I have a similar vacuum container where it has a little built in button pump. I've heard the theory that the vacuum may force the gasses out of the beans and affect flavour that way I wonder if that's what happened and why airscape was superior. I could do my own test and see if we get similar results. So far haven't really done a side by side comparison and really paid attention.

[@thomasmotley5449]

Yes, his theory that the Atmos doesn't allow degassing is faulty. It speeds up degassing. The C02 doesn't leave the *container* (until it's opened), but it leaves the *beans*, filling the vacuum above and around the beans...

[@BensCoffeeRants]

​@@thomasmotley5449 wouldn't the release of Co2 from the beans make it lose the Vaccume seal since it's no longer holding that negative pressure? I've had vac seal bags inflate and similar vac seal jars lose their seal which I assume is because the co2 escaped the coffee beans.

[@thomasmotley5449]

@@BensCoffeeRants Well obviously the release of the CO2 would decrease the vacuum, but I was under the impression that the Atmos provides an airtight seal even without the vacuum. I don't know for sure because I don't own one. Assuming it remains airtight, the decrease in vacuum shouldn't matter because the extra gas isn't oxygen.

[@GabrielGGabGattringer]

I´ve ssen Airscape and Atmos in many videos on YT, not so much being present in Instagram postings. I´m using the ziplock bags the coffe is sold in as it rarely takes me more than 2 weeks to finish up a 250g bag.

[@DanielDeneka]

The Real Sprometheus - I think there are 2 factors we should take into consideration: -oxidation (which Atmos seems to do better by removing the air) -slowing down the CO2 release (which Atmos is speeding up by creating a vacuum)

[@PedroJohnston1]

It's not speeding up, though. It showed higher C02 levels.

[@rlucho555]

Atmos acknowledged a lid issue, not maintaining the vacuum.

[@romimuha]

I use large Airscape to store 1kg of bean. I only open it once every week or so, when I fill my single dose tubes. I dont notice drop in quality like when I keep the bean in the hopper, or when I open the container daily. I'm happy with my Airscape and single dosing routine.

[@DerbyMods]

I got one for free from my work when we moved locations and got rid of excess merchandise, extremely glad I picked it up.

[@3xk890]

Have the airscape.. not really sure if it keeps the air out. whenever i push down the sealing cap with the handle, at the middle portion i just slides down. Unlike when starting at the top, you can feel a resistance from the air escaping, but at the middle, nothing.

[@ElRioCruz]

Wouldn't leaving the handle of the Airscape in the up position allow the coffee to degass but closing it in the down position would cut off the one-way valve from degassing? Not sure I quite understand why the Airscape would allow degassing otherwise.

[@Yirgamalabar]

I'm pretty sure Spro didn't describe the functionality of the seals correctly. It's actually the outer seal that's the one way valve, not the center holes. These are intended to allow air to enter the container when you want to remove the piston/lid. Otherwise it would be stuck at the bottom (try lifting it without uprighting the handle, keeping both holes closed. No go).

[@HeavyMetalFan]

Only interesting thing I have to add is that I usually wait till a coffee is a week off-roast before I drink it. I prefer lighter roasts and I've heard a number of roasters suggest this waiting time. I think it has helped me get more consistent brews. I feel like it's probably due to the bed just not going crazy releasing all those gasses and fighting against your efforts to extract a dense light-roasted coffee. Other than that, I'll drink a 10-12oz bag of coffee in 10 days or so, so storage is rarely an issue. I just leave it in the bag. Sometimes I keep special coffees or backup bags in the freezer.

[@Sprometheus]

Degassing is a common thing, and all coffees, brew methods and drinks are different on what they like to do in that respect. I don’t usually open a sealed bag until I’m ready to start drinking it, then it goes into a storage container.

[@ElRioCruz]

Yes, I roast my own coffee, too, and have found allowing it to rest for 7 days before drinking gives a much more flavorful and nuanced taste. I used wait only 2 to 3 days of rest time to maximize freshness, but the added 4 days gives a better cup. I have both the Atmos and the Airscape. I'll pay closer attention to see which one gives me a better result...

[@mixeddrinks8100]

Have the stainless ones, larger than the one you got, perfect for one bag, the top lid seal seems to loosen up over time but the bottom lid the important one holds strong. I like how you can put some painters tape over the top or side unlike the Fellow one, due to the material to write some words on them. Also can put a hario coffee scoop between the two lids to store. Works great but hoping someone make an affordable single dose like the Weber Bean Cellar. Definitely want to predose every weekend as opposed to doing it daily. Too tired in the morning.

[@paul--b]

My stainless airscape is getting on to 10 years old and still works great. Glad I didn’t jump on the Atmos bandwagon.

[@Sprometheus]

Wow, a decade! Good to hear that.

[@helenwilson9732]

10 years....Wow ! that sounds impressive. Thanks.

[@BrucePappas]

I've use both, like many here. Fellows has had production issues; Airscape none. I think both work great for short term storage.

[@Sprometheus]

Thats a fact. I still use them both, though the Fellows have been relegated to kitchen duty for dry goods like pasta, cereal, etc.

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Great video fun and informative, cool tunes, nice videography. I use a glass Mason or Ball canning jar

[@chasechase24]

Good quality video! I think I'm going for the Airscape for the convenience factor

[@drewksidetour]

What are your thoughts on using clear plastic or glass on these containers and light hitting the beans? As long as there ain’t direct sunlight it should be okay ?

[@randydunn]

Do you use a canister in the freezer or just keep in the bag? Thanks…

[@DriftaholiC]

My 1st Atmos broke on day 2. I'm not feeling so fuzzy about the replacement after watching this.

[@Allen-vu8iw]

Random question: What do you do with remaining beans at the end of a batch that don't add up to a full dose? Say you have 10g of beans at the end of a batch, do you add them to your next bag of coffee, throw it out? just curious! thanks so much!

[@Sprometheus]

I have so many different little brew methods I often find some way to use it. My favorite small batch brews are Aeropress and the April Dripper.

[@Waisonian]

Nice! I have this, the one from Miir and the Coffeevac. I'm curious on your take with the Coffeevac containers as it's supposed to let air out and keep it out!

[@pinikpikantv3555]

Bought the old outdated design with bamboo lid. Bought them on massive discounts will be adding various sizes. I like small to use for daily operation and larger ones for bulk storage. I buy coffee from overseas and store them for consumption year round because no coffee beats our local coffee from Sagada for me.

[@moorejl57]

Been using the stainless Airscape for years and it is still in great condition. I have the smaller one for 1/2 lb and I use the coffee in a week. Flavor seems to peak on day 4 after roast.

[@peccimabel]

Did anyone use the Evak Fresh canisters? Same concept as the Airscape for less.

[@sdrawkcabvag]

so what about a good old mason jar if you're using all your coffee within 3 weeks of roast?

[@luisfernandezdecordoba5938]

Yes, the bag is the best. Just leave it there. Roll up the bag tight to get most of the air out and put a rubber band around it. Use all coffee in about 2 weeks. If you're not going to use it, freeze it or give to someone and make them happy. The end.

[@Sprometheus]

I would agree the bag is a great upon until the seal is broken. I don’t think a rubber band would keep it all that fresh over the coarse of a week or two. But every coffee is different so if it works for you that’s all that matters.

[@timgerber5563]

I just keep the beans in the resealable bags with one way valves. I keep one to two of these just in case a coffee I buy doesn’t come in a resealable bag, but most roasters have switched by now. Also I just buy 250g to 500g bags which makes it easier to have fresh coffee. Just got to know again what stale coffee tastes like from my espresso Christmas calendar. 24 different coffees can‘t just all be roasted and shipped 2 weeks before the 1st of december.

[@stevegee218]

Have you done a test with a vacuum bag sealer (food saver) to split say a 5lb bag for longer storage and cost savings? This would allow 8-16 oz portions to be used as the others stay in storage.

[@MikeTheBlueCow]

So I've found somewhat similar, but also different findings than you. I can easily agree with less CO2 in the AirScape vs Atmos. However, I've found overall that my Atmos preserves the flavors better, as well. I have found in my AirScapes that each seal is not as tight, though one is better than the other... They both came as they are, so one didn't loosen up from aging unless it was very old before I bought it, maybe. I also have a gripe about the AirScape marketing it is a one-way valve. It is not. It is a mesh screen in a hole in the lid, that lets air out when you press the lid down, and then when you turn the handle it closes the hole. It's similar but not really the same as a one-way valve in a coffee bag. The AirScape valve does not let air in OR out when the handle is down. So if your coffee builds up gas because it's extra fresh, then where does that pressure go? I have found it sneaks around the not-quite-tight-enough gasket. You can even smell the aroma in the top compartment , which if there was a perfect seal you really shouldn't. This is where I've noticed a loss in flavor compared to the Atmos, I think, as it's just not as good of a seal. The AirScape is still pretty good though, and there is an upside to the degassing, especially if you're going to use the beans quickly enough not to worry about oxidation as much. One possibly confounding variable is that my Atmos is smaller than either AirScape (though I think I have the smallest size available of each container). Therefore there is simply more air in the AirScape, given the same amount of coffee beans. Maybe if AirScape had a true one-way valve and beefed up the outer gasket, it may not have had as clear of an issue for me.

[@mrhoborz]

If I'm consuming my bags of coffee within two weeks, would something like this actually help? I like the concept and aesthetics, but I can't bring myself to justify the purchase

[@chrisdturner]

I wonder with the Atmos if it would increase the rate of degassing due to the vacuum as well as volatile compounds that we want to stay in the coffee. Might be the reason it lacked something compared to the airscape?

[@centuruslee]

In video review some of storage coffee bottle of jame hoffman, in the end he say that coffee in the fellow release co2 so the green ring on follow off, he say that it will happen in frist week but it not the problem

[@lowhangingvegetable]

From all the testing I've seen it does not increase the rate of degassing.

[@Sprometheus]

I think it might? Hard to say, one of those things that’s hard to prove or test.

[@Sprometheus]

@@centuruslee I think this is true with a perfectly functioning Atmos. Having stored coffee straight from the roaster I’ve had some pop out and others not. Hard to know if it’s a failure in the lid, or what it might not be, the issue in the end is inconsistency.

[@carbon5261]

The way I see it, a one way airlock allows not only CO2 itself to escape but for it to push out the air that's trapped between the beans, leaving them in an anaerobic environment of just CO2 which is better for preventing oxidation. This is the reason people use those airlocks on their jars when fermenting food, which releases CO2.

[@Sprometheus]

It sure appears that having a release is a key to maintaining that freshness and flavor over just freshness

[@Kittel_]

Saw this product in your recent video and was hoping to see a review on it. Thank you!

[@PiperDad]

I had various issues with the Atmos containers as much as I wanted to like them I just couldn't. Been using Airscapes for years and they never have issues. The ones I have are the steel ones. I really wanted to like the ceramic versions but the seals didnt seem the same.

[@thomaskoch8608]

I do use an Airscape for the last 4 years (actually, I use 2: one for coffee, one for tea) and it works great since day one

[@slipperydippery]

Interesting video. But I'm missing the 3-way blind taste test. Bias is tricky to overcome, and blind testing forces an honest review.

[@omdeeppabla6111]

Interesting observation…I store my coffee beans in Fellow Atoms in a cold cellar (super cold in parts of Canada), and it has prolonged preservation. Haven’t tried putting the Atmos it in the freezer cause maybe the beans will get freezer burn…and same time not fully practical unless you wear gloves. However worth mulling till Fellow innovates their canister.

[@roberthenrypoet]

Good work, as always Spro! I may consider buying one of these in the near future. :)

[@tuatinitapui3851]

Can the small 250g size fit 250g of coffee beans in it or does the inner lid take up space? Trying to decide whether to get the small or medium size.

[@SS-ht3cc]

So I’m confused on this. I haven’t read into this much, so I might just be off base, but just throwing it out there, I do have a PhD in Chemistry with a specialization in material science. So, you say that the air (oxygen I’m assuming) is what has an issue for the CO2, but I don’t see how oxygen messes with the CO2 extraction. If anything I feel like the atmos should be pulling out (slightly as the vacuum isn’t strong) the co2 and volatile aromatics, while the aid scape should not impact CO2 at all, but the oxygen should be reactive with the bean and I assume it must react with the aromatics or something? If someone can reply to educate me or give me your thoughts I’d appreciate it.

[@SS-ht3cc]

Oh and ps, nice video. I do like your content and this one especially got me thinking :D! Keep it up!

[@thomasmotley5449]

​​@@SS-ht3ccYou're right about the Atmos. The Airscape (and the Atmos) merely reduces oxygen. Oxygen oxidizes (i.e., stales) coffee, but you must know that.

[@deathkid411]

I was on team airscape but this last year I have gone team fellow. I think it does keep the coffee fresh. But it does add a bit more work to my morning flow at 4:30am. The airscap was easer and faster.

[@Sprometheus]

It definitely is much easier to use. What made you want to switch it up?

[@deathkid411]

@@Sprometheus the promise longer lasting coffee and the fellow hype train. To be honest I am bit over fellow. I do not know if I switch back tho.

[@rafraf3553]

Could you please review the new Linea Mini R?

[@brankbrankbrank]

How do you not have a link to the product in your description? :D No kickback URL to get you some money from us?

[@Sprometheus]

Haha well this isn’t a paid product placement, but I should have a link. I’ll add one once I’m back in front of a computer, out for a coffee at the moment.

[@dsharp088]

I have a bit of the best of both worlds, and I don't need any special containers to do it. Get out a one-gallon freezer (not storage) clear plastic baggie. Squeeze all the air out of the coffee bag you can and stick it inside the baggie. While holding the coffee bag closed, zip the baggie except for the last corner. Stick a durable straw, like the stainless steel one I use, into the corner of the baggie straight down. Now, suck out the air through the straw while removing the straw and sealing the last little bit as the straw exits the baggie. There you have it - a close to vacuum seal that can expand with degassing of the beans.

[@bostenmiller4781]

As always, really great content! What would you think about not fully press down the seal and stopp like an inch before you hit the coffee? Could that lead to an "improvement"?

[@loughrey101]

The glass Airscape would be best tu avoid and go for tut metal ones instead as the glass ones let in sunlight which may have affected the co2. The metal ones also seem tu have a better suction seal than the glass and ceramic for some reason

[@madrian_hello]

I keep open coffee what I can consume in the next 3 days. Usually that is a half of a bag. Other half goes into freezer. That way I always have fresh coffee on my table.

[@thefatiguedpalate]

As a filter-only coffee brewer, I hardly ever see the need for such storage solutions because I typically finish my coffees within a month and a half after roast. Where I am, most coffee bags come in a resealable bag, so I stick to those!

[@thamtham4924]

Atmos make just a bit vacuum in container, with that kind of lid. So there are still plenty of air inside. However it looks nicer than airscape.

[@cheekster777]

Useful video. Thank you.

[@Sprometheus]

Thanks Cheekster, cheers!

[@ameliabuns4058]

I just use a 20$ mason jar sealer, far superior to this :) and you get a fun POP PSssssst in the morning when you open your jar of coffee xD also a lot of coffee bags have a one way valve, so I wonder how it'd compare to have the coffee just stored in the bag it comes with (as long as it has a locking thingi) and pushing the air out. also the entire thing is vacuum. so if it was off-gassing it'd just break the seal or stop it. I'm not sure how it'd work but I don't see how a vacuum would stop it if not help it?

[@matty-dc4pq]

Breville canister is cheaper on amazon,its identical apart from the branding and is manufactured by airscape.

[@mihir1997]

Wth my air scape is totally different… the hole for air always lets some oxygen to contact the coffee. Swinging the handle down doesn’t change the air flow :(

[@stephen8623]

The Atmos wil lose its seal if you don't open and reseal daily (or close to it). I often find the Atmos just sitting there doing nothing because it lost its seal.

[@ronr9423]

I bought a set of Atmos cans and the lids crapped out on me right away. Will get an Airscape instead, Fellow makes good products generally but failed with the Atmos.

[@tw9307]

I’ve had the same airscape for a couple of years now, opening and closing at least 5 times a week and haven’t had any issues with seal or freshness. Then again, a bag of coffee rarely lasts me more than 10 days. The atmos just seemed to fussy for me.

[@Coffeeluver22]

Why didn’t you talk about degassing with these?

[@Ratalala]

I seal my bags very well and it’s free 🤘🏽

[@toddpower4674]

You got a high gloss today, like you got a new wax job... Nice video

[@Sprometheus]

Need to get a few more subs so I can afford a makeup and film crew

[@IG-jd8pt]

@@Sprometheus Botox is not cheap you need Patreon 😂

[@SantiagogranadosR]

This noise thing….!!!!🤣🤣🤣 Now I see myself doing “shhhhhhh” when opening my coffee bags…!!!

[@Sprometheus]

Haha it’s true, I just love those noises!

[@kitcraft9516]

I have these cheap airtight containers from a discount store that I got for $5 but as they break, I am thinking about getting the Airscape. Interestingly I feel that the coffees I get with resealable bags keep fresh longer than the generic containers I have now. Maybe they aren't so airtight after all. I guess that is what I get for being a cheapskate.

[@coleroyce]

I usually roast my own coffee weekly and put in mason jar. Been fine for years, but I’m think about going to an air scape to test