There is something haunting and moving about Layne and Jerry's harmonies- very addictive. I always have AIC playing in my car - can't get enough of their music. Whenever I hear Layne singing Rotten Apple, I Stay Away, Nutshell it really affects and moves me too. @@maxwellgreen5750
@Parrish_Muhoberac5 жыл бұрын
except for the horribly sharp out-of-tuneness of the vocals on the recorded version. This version also lacks the Bb- Bb- Bb- Bb- G - Bb- (b c b) (Eat of the apple so young) bit.. but sing that part along (layne's part) to it, and it sounds awesome!!
@tibetbukan83607 жыл бұрын
Layne's soul is living inside the chorus part
@Parrish_Muhoberac5 жыл бұрын
YES IT IS!!! it's missing, because there is no Bb - g - Bb- (b-c-b) part, but if you sing that bit along to this, WOW. his soul IS THERE!
@Parrish_Muhoberac5 жыл бұрын
sorry i should have mentioned, it's the "Eat of the apple so young" which is Bb Bb Bb Bb G Bb (B c b)
@nicolasriveros9434 жыл бұрын
I felt that too, the same feeling i get in the song "Private Hell" as well
@-divinetragedy4 жыл бұрын
i can actually hear his voice i stg
@TheJRod3043 жыл бұрын
LAYNE STALEY WILL NEVER DIE.
@farfromfields6 жыл бұрын
Sean Kinney is a total boss at the smoking-while-drumming thang.
@onemuckypup98235 жыл бұрын
LOL - I hadn't noticed that!! He is a brilliant drummer!
@LunaLoveBad69695 жыл бұрын
I can’t stand the smell of cigarettes and I’m not condoning it but dammit he’s an exception to that.
@mojo61122 жыл бұрын
@@LunaLoveBad6969 are you saying he's a cigarette that you accept?
@mojo61122 жыл бұрын
I thought he doesn't smoke. He said in an interview he never smoked, but he started after Layne died
@19spearking932 жыл бұрын
Dave Grohl: hold my beer
@Shishiwakarashi12 жыл бұрын
This is respect to Layne. And their new material is pretty killer, fuck the haters.
@macethorns116822 күн бұрын
DISrespect you mean.
@tylerrose44162 жыл бұрын
They must not play this live very often, it’s a shame because this is probably my favorite AIC song
@warborn_inc. Жыл бұрын
To the best of my knowledge they have played this song 23 times live since it came out. I have been lucky I saw them play it live with Layne in Chicago and then once live with William in Nashville.
@elijahbrink4596 Жыл бұрын
@@warborn_inc.What shows were those?
@brbosen5 жыл бұрын
This is the song that turned me into an Alice in Chains fan for life.
@tijuanaiguana1905 жыл бұрын
🤘
@tijuanaiguana1905 жыл бұрын
The first aic song I heard was rooster and that did it for me
@gavriilkremastiotis19142 жыл бұрын
Me too man
@Szykon1002 жыл бұрын
Same bro
@SludgeMan90 Жыл бұрын
Same. this song made me a fan
@MusicJamin330 Жыл бұрын
This might be the best version of this song ever besides the studio recording. Absolutely Magical. Duvall gets far too much undeserved flack, but he's a legend in his own right. He's allowed for AIC to thrive and live in the modern age while still honoring Layne's legacy. Mad Props.
@warborn_inc. Жыл бұрын
Seen them 22 times since 1991..and of course I love and miss Layne...BUT...William is brilliant and the people who dismiss the new music are only screwing themselves. They were amazing then AND now.
@HypoLuxa13 Жыл бұрын
I'm a 46 year old man watching this in 2023. 29 years and 1 day after Jar of Flies was released. Remembering the first time I heard this when I was 17. I think now, if I was and and AiC show and they played this, I would honestly start crying. This song is both beautiful but sad. Mellow but uneasy. So many memories of that time in my life, but this song and the JoF album never leaves my rotation. Setting myself a reminder to come back and watch this on Jan 25th, 2024 on the 30 year anniversary of JoF.
@HungarianMafioso6 жыл бұрын
God, the chorus sounds so good. Such a haunting melody. Wish they had written more tunes like this when Layne was alive.
@ryline6664 жыл бұрын
Check out 'All I Am' from their newest album. It has a similar vibe to it and is also awesome.
@macethorns11683 жыл бұрын
This tune *was* written with Layne, fucktard.
@HungarianMafioso3 жыл бұрын
@@macethorns1168 You misunderstood my comment. Have a nice day! :)
@adamgarlinger24403 жыл бұрын
How could you read his comment and not understand he was saying he wishes they had written more songs like this back then. English isn't exactly a hard language.
@coryrikard89433 жыл бұрын
@@adamgarlinger2440 I was trying to wrap my head around that, and the vitriol in his response. Pretty plain to see that's what the op meant, but reading is hard sometimes! I guess when you're mentally unable to understand words, the insults come out.
@Airakobra7 жыл бұрын
That song live! What a lucky crowd!
@renzokukenleneyoyo5226 жыл бұрын
I've seen them once for every new Will album and they have never played it :(
@milhouse7772 жыл бұрын
Beautiful voice Mr Durval, the harmonization with Jerry is awesome
@puppetmaster85512 жыл бұрын
Their harmonizing is the best in hard/rock metal. Layne Jerry were the best when Layne was still around and even if Will and Jerry aren’t to that level they have incredibly good chemistry and sound fantastic when they harmonize
@scottturner15049 ай бұрын
@@puppetmaster8551but thank god William and Jerry kept the sound
@HouseFromSmartCity2 жыл бұрын
Their new music is incredible too. What a catalogue these guys have. Insane
@warborn_inc. Жыл бұрын
In my opinion Cantrell does not have a single bad song in his entire catalog (AIC and solo)...absolutely masterclass songwriter
@virtusetglorie5 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand why they didn't do this at the unplugged show
@homerdayz69515 жыл бұрын
exactly... this song could be on the setlist at the unplugged.. that's a shame!!
@eldubya79722 жыл бұрын
💯
@jonadkins7682 жыл бұрын
I think everyone of us AIC fans often wonder that! I’m always telling people Rotten Apple should of been on unplugged 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
Right?
@ObsidianLife2 жыл бұрын
#THIS and "I Stay Away"...
@jamiewest53576 жыл бұрын
William's voice is kind of in the middle between Layne and Jerry's voice.
@monicao91715 жыл бұрын
Someone should voice the 3 vocals together
@thiagoalexandreee3 жыл бұрын
You describe it so clearly lol
@Smackattackk3 жыл бұрын
When they first brought him around as a replacement I was kind of mad but a few years after I accepted that people need to hear this music Still new generations experience how great Alice in Chains is live William does a good job and sometimes the way his vocals blend with Jerry's just feel so right I know Jerry misses layne so much they were brothers pretty much more even at his worst. example during the unplugged show layne was out of it and Jerry had a stomach bug and a trash can next to him and layne messed up a few times and without missing a beat Jerry told him it was okay buddy let's start it from the top instead of getting mad and irritated about it (especially since he was sick) but he really loved him and knew his time with him was short so he cherished every second with him until layne locked himself away from everyone.... my mom was a addict and it didn't make me not love her it made me realize Herion was the devil pretty much and people really need it to get thru the day once they've done it for so long it's just sad how it all played out. I miss you mom every day I think about you and wish you was here still... I'm only 28 and you've been gone 3 years now but feels like eternity but I'll never judge a person for dealing with their inner demons... we all have some you just have to find a way to contain them.. sorry so long guys I just get emotional with AIC because of personal experience... yall be safe and much love brothers and sisterss... we are all in this together
@macethorns11683 жыл бұрын
It's like if you took Layne's voice and flushed it down the toilet after shitting on it...yes.
@rrcain013 жыл бұрын
Wtf that's the best way to describe Duvall's singing holy hell
@lmarquezgiron6 жыл бұрын
was Mike Inez behind the stage? in such magical piece, Mike is responsible of the emotion of the song. Totally ignored in this video.
@CD-tj3hg3 жыл бұрын
Probably just didn't have a good angle on him
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
Yeah, seriously where is he?
@SurfingBullDog9 жыл бұрын
This is such an underrated track. It's introspective and evil. Perfect soundtrack for sitting in some 3rd world war zone, smoking a cigarette and staring a thousand miles into nothing, thinking about all the fucked up events that brought you to this point.
@paulernst48419 жыл бұрын
SurfingBullDog right there with you bro. '03 sandbox.
@lukeit79497 жыл бұрын
Or for thinking about the character of your cheating exgirlfriend anna ... :P
@virtusetglorie7 жыл бұрын
Lu He LMAO you have no idea relevant that comment is. I too had a cheating, psycho ex named anna. Luckily she's disappeared from my life. This song is my muse though.
@carajillodwsq5 жыл бұрын
Good idea for a video but my imagination is more egocentric. I don't need a 3rd world war to feel that way.
@conorhoney77763 жыл бұрын
It sounds like regret
@genkinks6 жыл бұрын
Out of every song I've listened to as a child.. this one always hit me hard. Alice had every melody and tune, to an unsure audience. We're talking about the 90s! Not the same anymore
@machine515011 жыл бұрын
Jerry's sound is one of a kind, there will never be another , so amazing
@chuckmcgill6673 Жыл бұрын
Jerry Cantrell's tone is out of this freaking world, the ultimate duo of skill and wah pedal.
@civilengsi12 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite AIC song and they hardly ever played it live! Such emotion and melodic guitar playing, I love it.
@michaelcummings10854 жыл бұрын
I feel this shit so much CRAWLING BACK TO START at 42 i am 44 now its been such a hard time emotionally the last 2 years Layne was the first person i seen live when i was. 14years. old RIP LAYNE
@123hero3214 жыл бұрын
This song meant everything to me when I was 20 when the love of my life at the time walked away. And it still means everything to me at 34. 🖤
@CookingwithVROY17904 жыл бұрын
William kicks ass he's done justice to AIC
@cjk31012 жыл бұрын
I don't think that jerry and the guys brought this guy on board to "replace" layne. the sad reality is layne is dead. RIP. i think they wanted to continue making great music together and simply brought him in to celebrate layne and the music he was a part of. i can't hate on the guy. who would not take this job if offered? i'm sure he was and is a huge layne fan like all of us.
@jmseverino7612 жыл бұрын
I am a hardcore AIC fan grunge generation ex-drug addict Layne worshiper! I must admit, I didn't want to like this guy. I'm sorry, but he is very good, and to still hear these songs performed is just amazing. I miss you Layne, your soul lives on every time they perform...even now.
@chriscampbell4993 жыл бұрын
While Nutshell is probably the most beautiful and haunting track on Jar of Flies, Rotten Apple is a VERY close second. Musically the song is SUPERB.
@PugSquatchytheWatchy2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@patriciaestok9329 Жыл бұрын
The entire album is a masterpiece.
@Tocaraca8 ай бұрын
Rotten Apple is better than Nutshell imo
@billymaysaintdead2888 жыл бұрын
R.i.p Layne this was like his biography in a song
@tk31417 жыл бұрын
Alas, true.
@Domino666ism5 жыл бұрын
I feel like all of Jar Of Flies was where Layne kept his darkest thoughts...
@puppetmaster85513 жыл бұрын
@@Domino666ism Jerry solely wrote no excuses, don’t follow, whale and wasp so it wasn’t just Layne, both Jerry and Layne wrote a lot of dark/sad lyrics
@tk31417 жыл бұрын
I completely worship these amazing vocal harmonies. Amazing, amazing song.
@icbm77712 жыл бұрын
William is really awesome. I love the verses best cuz he nails em, but I like the chorus cuz he does it how Layne did it live. This and Nutshell will always be my two Favs.
@Joeezyy97_6 жыл бұрын
icbm777 YESSS !!! Everything you said . I love Nutshell as well. Fav songs!
@pimpinlct11 жыл бұрын
i fucking love Alice in chains so much
@douginny2 жыл бұрын
Amazing how three chords can have such depth of emotion.
@magicargo123211 жыл бұрын
All time favorite AIC song of all time ever in the whole world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@thecerp1ntaxt12 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I mean obviously they will never be the same without Layne but this guy was a great choice and I really dig his voice
@SpectorEuro43 жыл бұрын
Mike is supposed to shine in the song.... where's is he at??????? He's the reason why this song sounds awesome as it is
@carajillodwsq7 жыл бұрын
It gives me goose bumps remembering myself 23 years ago, about what I thought I was gonna be and what I really am right now.
@rodrigogsi12 жыл бұрын
one of THE BEST songs ever made!
@virtusetglorie11 жыл бұрын
An idea: personally, I dont mind them having the same band name without Staley, however they could always do something like stylize their logo with the "L" in "Alice" and "S" in "Chains" mirrored. That would be quite cool and a very respectful nod at Layne.
@virtusetglorie6 жыл бұрын
Finding an old comment you made 5 years ago is weird, man.
@onemuckypup98235 жыл бұрын
I've just seen it LOL! Love your idea though! @@virtusetglorie
@micheler65925 жыл бұрын
HairoftheDog are you in marketing
@virtusetglorie4 жыл бұрын
@@micheler6592 Nope lol
@bearmaxe76993 жыл бұрын
@@virtusetglorie what about now
@mspray3 ай бұрын
These deep cut keep popping up from these guys lamenting how brilliant this band is.
@cjk31012 жыл бұрын
William is a damn pro. I like the guy.
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I'm saying this but this is better than the original!
@1cruefan4life11 жыл бұрын
Its almost like i can see Layne as an angel on the stage overlooking them, singing along. RIP Layne Thomas Staley.
@alexleiathee.t.6124 жыл бұрын
sim.yes.
@mr.shadowofdeath91134 ай бұрын
Jerry is feeling it here
@Porchia872 жыл бұрын
In the first seconds you dont understand ist Rotten Apple. Well its missing dynamic and the Dark haunting feeling
@coolster4714 жыл бұрын
Why do they never play this live hardly?
@kreep1827 жыл бұрын
ill always love layne, but i have to admit that is the best live performance of this gorgeous song
@scarykurapika100yago24 жыл бұрын
They never even played it live when Layne was still alive
@kreep1824 жыл бұрын
@@scarykurapika100yago2 no it's not just the vocals. Its more to do with how they kinda rearranged the song. Also, the guitar solos in this performance were fantastic.
@RapFan544 жыл бұрын
@@scarykurapika100yago2 they did
@daniellevitoriaa8403 жыл бұрын
@@scarykurapika100yago2 never? Well then I'm guessing you never watched this kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6vGYWuOiN1qmck
@daniellevitoriaa8403 жыл бұрын
@@scarykurapika100yago2 or this kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJrGhmhqg5p6jdU
@washguy95777 жыл бұрын
I love that AIC is still making good music but it's still sad to see only 2 original members on stage RIP MIKE & Layne
@Turk_20237 жыл бұрын
Inez has been in the band 24 years...Not like he is a hired gun
@silkcustoms5205 жыл бұрын
Wash Guy See what Dope does to you.
@MLCrow5 жыл бұрын
Jason Dean Dixon For sure William is a good fit (he's very professional in primis) but I somehow miss a more "powerful" person...I mean a vocalist with a bigger stage presence, a vocalist that's able to interact with the audience more...also his role in writing the songs is very small. Just my opinion.
@SpectorEuro43 жыл бұрын
@@MLCrow You sure about that? DuVall wrote Last of My Kind in BGWTB, and other songs on Dinosaurs and Rainier Frog. You're talking out of your ass m8
@puppetmaster85512 жыл бұрын
Tbh rotten apple and the rest of Jar of flies wouldn’t have been the masterpiece it is without Inez, his bass on the record is extremely crucial and more important to the record than any of Starr’s bass. RIP Starr but I’m glad we got Inez, better bassist/songwriter imo and a really really good dude.
@Parrish_Muhoberac5 жыл бұрын
This is the best LIVE OR STUDIO version of this song I've heard, because the vocals are IN TUNE!
@MYERZ084 жыл бұрын
Unplugged better
@puppetmaster85513 жыл бұрын
@@MYERZ08 this song was not played for the unplugged show
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
@@puppetmaster8551 Which is a CRIME! Why was this not played unplugged!?
@puppetmaster85512 жыл бұрын
@@williewilliams3834 it is a bummer, this song would’ve been perfect for unplugged, the unplugged setlist is pretty amazing tho so can’t really complain
@russellamorris12242 жыл бұрын
Layne can harmonize anything Jerry ain't bad either. My fav group but I didn't know it was them when I first hurd it. I wish Layne knew how much he was missed and how important his lyrics and music got me through life.
@ultimatefunktimegroovystan78853 жыл бұрын
Legendary level bass line
@dankhoney4 жыл бұрын
This is an incredible video. I would have loved to have been there
@SludgePunkGrunge12 жыл бұрын
Their band their choice and also that being said Jerry was and is and always will be the biggest part of Alice In Chains and I am a huge fan and love Laynes work, but this is a new chapter of the band and they found a very good singer to take over.
@GrooveGoblinDW13 жыл бұрын
SO GLAD THEY BROUGHT THIS TO THE SET. personal fav from jar of flies.
@al1976-v7m2 жыл бұрын
This shouldve been part of their Unplugged Set!
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
Jerry's harmonization is so epic how he played off Layne and how he plays off William.
@puppetmaster85512 жыл бұрын
Layne and Jerry were the best in the business at it and now Jerry and Will are the best at it, at least in hard rock/metal
@jackherrington26346 жыл бұрын
The feeling is reduced. I till loved them live though. I still could escape into my mind like I did when it helped me survive
@larrysgarage7820 Жыл бұрын
One of the best guitar tones and bass riffs
@KarenGoldMind8 жыл бұрын
we miss staley
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
Layne chose the drug over his family, his bandmates and his fans... I love him but f him for that.
@Christianharold26 ай бұрын
Mad props to Sean Kinney. There’s no way I could play an entire 6-minute song with a lit cig hanging from my mouth.
@williewilliams38342 жыл бұрын
LOVE those harmonics at the bridge Jerry!!!
@yourkreator9034 жыл бұрын
I really want to hear this live. One of my favourite AIC songs
@manuelzeggio654511 жыл бұрын
chi ha seguito gli ALICE dagli inizi sa chi erano ma soprattutto sa che questi non sono altro che i brutti spettri di cio' che erano. LAYNE era ed e' nella mia memoria come un cantante dallo stile di voce ed interpretazione UNICO!!! sicuramente rotten apple e' uno dei loro capolavori.
@MLCrow5 жыл бұрын
Brutti spettri? Stai esagerando a mio parere. Sicuramente gli AIC senza Layne sono "sbiaditi", questo non possiamo negarlo.
@EternalLies13 жыл бұрын
This song is pure MAGIC!
@prba713 жыл бұрын
absolutely breathtaking.....
@iLuseMy1v1s Жыл бұрын
Could you imagine if they played this and i stay away unplugged!? I wish we had live performances of AIC with Layne doing jar of flies. This was damn good 👍
@PhotonicCrystal15 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!!
@TheKrucetopher11 жыл бұрын
I couldn't have said it better myself John. Huge Layne fan here myself, my sons name is Layne Staley Kruce. Keep jammin!!
@pikkirat62313 жыл бұрын
Any one who says that this is disrespectful to Layne to that Layne was AIC is being disrespectful to Jerry, Mike and Sean. You know there were 3 other guys in the band right? Layne was an amazing musician but so is Jerry. What would Layne sing over without those 3? Layne was just as much a part of Alice in Chains as Jerry, Sean and Mike
@anycoveryoulike75102 ай бұрын
I love how Duvall sings this
@deborahpisano592 жыл бұрын
The Great ALC lives on!!!
@justincreighton-emmer633711 жыл бұрын
layne wrote the lyrics and jerry co wrote the music wit mike inez
@DeborahJB13 жыл бұрын
@Wesson4 What? It would be a shame not to let this beautiful music go on. After a looooooong day, having this wonderful music is like energy to some part of my spirit. ROCK ON AIC.
@HildeAzul2 жыл бұрын
This song is truly an amazing introspection. More so than Nutshell.. by far.
@S10guyy7 ай бұрын
Mr. Cantrell is such an under-rated guitar player
@kevingerdeman18343 жыл бұрын
I love this song, william is no Layne Staley by any means because Layne wrote about his addiction and the problems it caused, R.I.P LAYNE
@wesrobert47163 жыл бұрын
Duvall did a good job here.
@TheIanoTube5 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Jerry take over as lead vocals? He's more than capable
@RapFan544 жыл бұрын
Will does a great job
@davidfrazier2273 Жыл бұрын
Rip LEGEND,and Jerry Cantrell is the greatest fkn guitarist of the 90s to basically now 💯🔥🎸🤘☝️
@Bluefunguy12 жыл бұрын
Never knew the drummer smoked and played at the same time... Lol
@goudagirl60952 жыл бұрын
Love this song so much, I have the lyrics attached to my computer monitor... 💔
@DeborahJB13 жыл бұрын
What I hear is unreal. I didn't enjoy the apple in the '90s, but am glad AIC rocks on. RIP Layne & Mike.
@CarmenMendoza-b1l8 ай бұрын
This song Is awesome
@gotgreen6814 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!
@blinduraku47872 жыл бұрын
Masterpiece!
@KURTIS198016 жыл бұрын
This song rocks!
@p_man_stackowitz1612 жыл бұрын
Amazing version. I feel ashamed I like it better than the original
@amputeekun2739 Жыл бұрын
dont feel ashamed this shit is beautiful.
@thewiseone25549 жыл бұрын
Jerry is using just the wah, for sure...if he had the talk box he would have the straw in his mouth and wrapped up to the Mic Stand...Sounds good enough, and that's how I do it also...
@TheAcidzephyr6 жыл бұрын
thanks for this!
@superkool75 ай бұрын
Chase. Brother. I miss you so fucking much. I think about to every day. Can’t wait to see you again man. I promise you we will meet again. Till then - ALWAYS. FUCKING. FORWARD. As I choke down the memories and tears brother, I can’t wait. Hold it down for me upstairs brother. See you sometime soon old friend
@quit2938 жыл бұрын
Duvall is only guy who comes close to layne and he has chemistry with the band.
@guicuecaseca6 жыл бұрын
By saying that you'se saying Layne is just the average.Duvall will NEVER be able to sing a bit like Layne
@Zeppelin-op6sd6 жыл бұрын
Ultim4te guitarist he doesn't need to sing like Layne , he is perfect for the band as he is.
@guicuecaseca6 жыл бұрын
no,he's not.
@Zeppelin-op6sd6 жыл бұрын
Ultim4te guitarist well the vast majority of people think otherwise.
@guicuecaseca6 жыл бұрын
No,they don't.Just like me,everyone would prefer someone better that actually IS perfect for the band.Duvall is good,but he is not perfect.Layne was perfect.
@tennisfan59926 күн бұрын
Credit to Will. I heard he had them add this to the set.
@hunterhughes6922 жыл бұрын
Rest easy layne 🪦🪦🙏
@robynewilliams-heller18165 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@dazpatreg14 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if that's dry ice in the background or just seán kinne smokin a doob.
@CCB69394 жыл бұрын
Jerry is such a incredible guitar player!! and though I thought M.S was a great bassist Mike Inez is another level!!! and Sean is underrated , his drumming is spot on always! the reason the unplugged concert was so tight started with Sean's playing.! Will does a damn good job on vocals as well!! Always will miss Layne though. hard to top his vocals.
@mercurion1000 Жыл бұрын
Did they use a voice box in the studio version? Wah wah wah
@LutherRayable13 жыл бұрын
@AIC4EVER1 AHHHH hahhahaha i love the casual way you throw that out there like he may just saunter back in the room and relieve the beleagered Duvall from his insurmountable task.LMAO HEROIN waves from the back and says HOWDY!
@madstoner691112 жыл бұрын
Yeah!!! i have see this live!!!! AIC FOR EVER
@homerdayz69515 жыл бұрын
This is a great performance... but Layne's absence is feeling.
@AICMasta14 жыл бұрын
Hey if your going to make any comment regarding Layne please spell his last name correct it is STALEY!!!!!
@Cyramor1112 жыл бұрын
I have always found this song to be Layne's song, expressing his life and how he feels. I know Jerry cantrell wrote it and he deserves credit as well, but just seems like they should not play this without layne, makes me sad... You will not be forgotten layne. (Just my opinion, no need to comment if you disagree)