Alien Refugees

[@Swindle1984]

Reminds me of the 4chan thread where someone posed as an alien looking for a habitable planet his people could flee to after their star went nova, and asked if humans would be ok with sharing Earth in exchange for technology. And the first response was "f*** off, space ****ers, we're full. You can crash on the moon if you want." And people were just "man, imagine if this was real, and that's the response they get."

[@Noble_OverDramaticShoeBOO1]

lel

[@Gauldame]

If a species comes to us as refugees, meaning they are running from something, AND they have the ability to GET here my mind goes to two things: 1) What are they running from? 2) We are so boned.

@John Grigg The latter is exceedingly unlikely, as building space habitats is easier than interstellar travel. (See other videos on this channel.)

[@MashupsByMandy]

@ not necessarily, a species that has mastered space travel could deal with extreme acts of terrorism like someone sending an asteroid at a % of lightspeed into their home planet with a gauss satellite weapon for any reason. To them, doing something like that is basically as complex as building a homemade explosive today.

[@luckylmj]

They could be using an orion drive or similar to get here. Which we could make now if we tried hard enough.

[@virutech32]

​@John Grigg If you have energy & resources to do interstellar travel you also have the energy & resources to reterraform a single planet. That's if u still wanna actually live on a planet which seems doubtful given that u already have the ability to live in space or u wouldn't be here. All that assuming their biology would even be compatible with ours & that they even still run on meat.

[@talltroll7092]

1) The Flood 2) ... bruh

[@timothy8428]

Aliens won't learn much about Earth from Galactipedia when the entry probably reads "Mostly harmless."

[@daveharrison61]

Well it's twice as much data as the previous edition.

[@shsnsnsnssnsnskslsl142]

Given the opposition to earth is a galactic civilization, more likely (and entirely accurately), it reads “Entirely Harmless”

[@meganwyatt1607]

Hope they bring their towels🤺

[@solomonkane6442]

Mostly harmless 😆 My big fat hairy English arse humans are harmless 😆

[@solomonkane6442]

@@meganwyatt1607 love the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy reference 😍

[@TheCrazyCapMaster]

An idea that popped into my head, is that alien refugees arriving here might have records of the civilization they left behind and wish to emulate it, have records of the laws and such that they need, but aren’t confident in their citizens’ ability (or maybe will) to adapt to these laws. So they wish to build the structure of this civilization while in close proximity to another stable civilization similar to their ideal, so that they can ask us for advice on how we handle situations. Then, after they’re confident they themselves are stable in their new setup, they’ll move to a neighboring star system they can make entirely their own.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

That's an interesting notion

[@atlanciaza]

us a stable civilization, yeah sure...

[@SuperExodian]

@@atlanciaza ww3 is literally one nato joining away... oh wait.

[@extropiantranshuman]

I did suggest information archaeology as a video topic - it just never made it. Hopefully more people can vie for that video - so Isaac can think about making it - if he wishes to! I really like your spin on it - trying to find remnants in others that may not be who originally created or was a part of something!

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

the idea of a group of aliens showing up to Earth saying "we've been listening to your transmissions, and we're interested in this [ideology/philosophy/religion here] thing you guys got going, we never thought of that and want in" would make for an interesting story, though said story not being preachy of the writer's own politics/faith(be it because the aliens agree, proving it right through the application of their more advanced tech, or just by being so compatible with both species, or because the aliens agree with an opposing ideology/philosophy/religion and get to demonstrate it's failings going to new extremes through the new boost in popularity and power it gains through this alien endorsement) or it could just be a comedy as the Aliens' try to integrate into whatever they wanted to join; "no Brother X'J'kam'lu, you don't put real blood in the sacramental wine, please stop."

[@bshinn4884]

I enjoyed District 9. Was a great adaption to 'Alien refugees'. But it was less "running from some enemy" and more "damn our ship busted near this inhabited planet"

[@shawnjohnson9763]

Can't wait for Dumbest Alien Invasions. I haven't been able to decide which is dumber, invading a planet covered in water when water burns you like acid, or invading a planet for water when it's one of the most abundant resources in the universe.

[@anvos658]

Zod from Man of Steel has to rank high there, less than a dozen people, 1 ship, a terraformer, and Earth by default was only a minor inconvenience for Kryptonians to live on and that inconvenience came with super powers.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@@anvos658 yeah, Man of Steel's Zod is really dumb... and Clark ain't much better sadly, destroying the colony ship with the Kryptonian cloning/breeding/baby-plant-things is.... why? like I get wanting to stop Zod from using it because he'd genocide humanity and put the new Kryptonians on the same doomed path that led to loosing Krypton, but the whole movie had Jar'le talking all that shit about earth being a chance for a fresh start for Krypton, and being a bridge between two peoples, and while that might have started as just a thing for Clark, surely there's no reason. But no, just have Superman Genocide his own species saying "Kryton had its chance".

[@markotisovic8233]

Bad taste (1987 - first movie of sir Peter Jackson) has a good take. Aliens wanting to reinvigorate their aling fast food chain with human meet.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@Darryl Revok the fact Zod didn't see the utility in keeping Earth as it is so all Krytonians could gain the insane levels of power Clark got from being here shows he is not fit for such leadership. Like, the argument that adjusting to living on earth is painful is garbage, what military mind can't see the tremendous asset that having your whole army be superseding? And if he feared having the future civilian kryponians having those powers, the world engine could be used on Venus or Mars so they'd have a place that raises normal kryponians. It's not like they're opposed to caste system like societies, what with the vat grown babies geneticly engendered for their predetermined roles and all that.

[@itmaslanka]

I’ve heard the reason aliens come here to visit is “ for the water “ !

[@heretic-668]

This channel has a real gift for asking really solid questions and considering a very reasonable, broad range of suppositions and conclusions.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Thanks Geoff, that's what we aim for :)

[@Goldun-nah]

Listen to this on 1.75 speed after you smoked a blunt. Lol I promise you won’t regret it

[@smileyp4535]

@@Goldun-nah can't wait till capitalism ends so we can live in the Isaac Arthur universe and all smoke blunts in space comrade 👌

[@feederx08]

This guy is so wrong, but I’m glad to speak to you bredren. 👽 the first and most important rule is: Don’t kill people. I met the Greys in 2015. ❤️🛸

[@InquisitorMatthewAshcraft]

@@isaacarthurSFIA 👈Humanity's Socrates

[@DenethorDurrandir]

My favorite piece of "Alien Refugees" media so far is the Defiance TV show, one of the better sci-fi TV shows out there with good firefly vibes, sadly canceled for being too expensive to produce It had a lot of the points you talk about, like crime, salvaging tech from refugee ships and a war caused by saying no to a spaceship

[@NodDisciple1]

What about Alien Nation? District 9? Or the film that was the prototype for District 9?

[@topogigio7031]

Firefly vibes Cancelled Checks out

[@SuperExodian]

mine's probably pre-modern halo lore (as in 100 000 bc, as opposed to 2500 ad.) humanity(the precursors), as well as their allies, the prophets(san'shuum) started a war against the forerunners because they were having to flee, system by system from the Flood. a horrific space zombie parasite. in the end a 2 front war doomed them, getting almost entirely obliterated, but then the forerunners realized WHY they came invading their space en masse. but it was too late, the flood controlled half the galaxy and were an unstoppable force, the only thing they could do was stall for time and nuke the entire galaxy. i believe the humans and forerunners also didn't know eachother pre-war.

[@vinny5638]

@@SuperExodian every element of that lore is fascinating bro. I love that the flood is a hyper intelligent embodiment of death, honestly the grave mind is the most unsettling villain in all of fiction to me. The poetic way it tells Chief about it’s all consuming intent still gives me goosebumps lol

[@The-Singularity-X01]

@@SuperExodian Humanity weren't 'the precursors', those guys got genocided by the Forerunners and later became the flood. Also it is established that the Forerunner's and Ancient Humanity did know of each other, the whole reason the Forerunner's killed the Precursors was BECAUSE they were passed over for the 'Mantle of Responsiblity'.

[@FesteringGhoul]

You may not claim to be a philosopher but I love how philosophical this episode gets. As always, I love your logic, Isaac.

[@saaarrj]

True PhiLOsophers don't care for labels 😉

[@feederx08]

This video was made by a man who never met them. They’re non-violent. We can join society but we MUST be peaceful. 👽

[@paulpolito2001]

Philosophy, in practice (imho), is study &/or application of abstract conceptual frameworks or ‘worldviews’. My dude is a philosopher, even if he disputes it. Grats/condolences.

[@sound-barrier]

@@feederx08 Oh well. That counts us out. 😕

[@Bob-lr2xp]

Imagine thinking you're taking in the alien equivalent of French refugees of WWII, only to find out later you've been harboring the alien equivalent of nazi war criminals instead.

[@jylehansen2758]

Dude

[@Kitty.57]

No sh. t

[@martinchagnon1119]

So primitive we are that we having no control on theses refugee from where they came or who they are.

[@atlas4733]

The Bobiverse books did a sort of forced taking of refugees. The Bobs essentially had to conduct an alien abduction operation on a small town of industrial revolution aged ferrets to save at least a part of their civilization that was going to get microwave-beamed by a dyson swarm. I really enjoyed the role reversal, and how abducting a small town and breaking the news was planned out among our characters.

[@funkyman909]

District 9 was the director salvaging a movie budget for the video game series Halo. The movie got its support pulled in the franchise and they decided to still produce an alien movie with a bit more of a spin.

[@markawbolton]

It was a great movie !!

[@topogigio7031]

Blomkamp would have made SUCH a a better Halo than we got. Dang, could you imagine how he would show the fall of Reach?

[@orionspur]

Mindful that other than FTL (faster than light) and non-FTL travel, there could easily be ELS (exactly light speed) travel. (Say some travel bubble converts you to bosons for the duration of a trip.) In this case you don't arrive faster than light, however, for you the trip is instantaneous. (Bosons do not experience time.) The ship feels more like a teleporter. Step in, then step out. While inside any amount of time and distance can be traversed.

[@thenamedguy998]

Will the people outside the ship see it as a long voyage.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Or a probe that moves very fast and builds a receiver on the end to send the data of people for teleportation, but yeah that's an option.

[@jylehansen2758]

So basically, it would still take some time to travel to a specific location, but to the individuals in that state it would feel instantaneous. So a location that may have been chosen by said individuals to go to as refugees would effectively change drastically by the time those individuals arrived, maybe they were that desperate to get somewhere relatively safe compared to where they left from that they took the chance and by the time they got to earth they realised there was other life and that had changed their plans drastically, after all esl would still take a long time from point a to b depending on location of departure and there’s no knowing how exactly your location could change over a period of time it took to get to that location, I hope that made sense

[@thenamedguy998]

@@jylehansen2758 ok

[@ventusvindictus]

Regarding the question of why a hostile alien group may want slaves when perfectly optimized robots are theoretically available, my thought is that it may be similar to why an artist might prefer to purchase and display an original piece rather than a print. It's a difficult argument to dictate, as I'm not an artist myself, but it mostly boils down to some combination of the value placed in authenticity and novelty. An original is often seen as more "real" than a print of the same painting. An alien group seeking slaves may similarly view living biological slaves as more of a novelty or as more uniquely valuable than an optimized robot, even if organic "original" slaves would be less efficient and more expensive than the robot "print" equivalent.

[@catfan913]

then these would be pets, not slaves

[@fredcarr3550]

An interesting theory, well said in this day of continued skepticism even though we have so much evidence of the truth of aliens and their crafts.

[@ventusvindictus]

@@catfan913 Perhaps. Though I feel "slave" tends to work better when dealing with sapient entities.

[@ANDREAMARIALAROCHE]

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[@LaserGuidedLoogie]

As Earth: Final Conflict showed, the primary "resource" that an alien refugee fleet will be looking for, will be us. As you point out, any other resource can be found practically anywhere.

[@siregg8528]

My point stands: the scariest message we could receive from an alien civilization would be something on long the lines of "Help, they are coming-" with the message cutting out and there being no further messages/elaboration after

[@falsfire]

As to the one welcomed alien then waving in more, may I recommend a novel called "The Sails of Tau Ceti". It's about an alien species that is fleeing a supernova in their home system in a light sail spaceship, riding the outgoing photons to Earth. In this novel, Earth has interplanetary flight happening regularly, but not interstellar yet. We see their deployed light sail and incoming craft, and deploy an investigatory/welcome craft to meet them. It turns out there's actually thousands of their ships headed this way, but the others have not yet deployed their light sails, only the vanguard ship did to attempt to negotiate peacefully for refugee status...

[@jamesglenn4151]

Really appreciate all your work man!, A few years ago i started listening to you. It really helped me expand my point of view in all sorts of subjects and made me realise how little I knew/know. Then that allowed me to start advancing my learning again. thanks Isaac!

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Thanks James!

[@moritz3168]

@@isaacarthurSFIA interstellar morality could only be based on consciousness (the ability to experience) as it would be the most common denomitor of lesser or higher intelligent beings. But like you mentioned in the video most humans treat animals like objects without any justification other than might makes right. So aliens would be justified in enslaving/ destroying humanity according to our own moral standards. They may try to tell us that we should respect all forms of conscious life as a universal code of ethics so to speak or force us to abide to these laws. But they would also be morally justified in blowing us up to stop all the animal deaths, considering the trillions of animals that most people kill each year. All aliens that study humanity from afar would think that humans have very limited moral development and could only assume that we treat them the same we treat animals. And also consider for yourself: if humanity ever becomes interstellar, should we respect the life forms we find or start to experiment on them/ eat n breed the lesser developed aliens? GoVegan if you actually take morality serious.

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

The whole "humans are space orcs" fiction line might make for a fun episode. It's an idea that uses sci fi to poke fun at some of our weirder habits that we consider normal. An example would be the fact that humans enjoy foods that are deadly to other animals. Examples like chili peppers (capsaicin is a poison), mint (an insecticide), caffeine (also an insecticide), and chocolate (contains highly poisonous theobromine) are delicacies and candies to us. Our temperature tolerance. Our ability to recover from injury. The fact that humans tend to settle and thrive in places they've become stranded in. All of these and more are explored in sci fi like Nor Crystal Tears, which tells the story of Human-Thranx first contact from the perspective of the insectoid Thranx.

[@ANDREAMARIALAROCHE]

ANDREA MARIA LAROCHE. YOU TUBE

[@presleynotalt5530]

"it's not an asteroid, it's 10 million orbital defense systems gathering dust" Love your videos.

[@lonjohnson5161]

I believe the aliens from Signs should be lumped into the refugees category. Invading a world covered in a corrosive allergen (water) seems like a bad idea unless you had no choice.

[@dasshaker2372]

I would agree to that, it bothered me that they would come to a water rich planet when water hurts them. Good thing it didn't storm while they were here! lol

[@extremosaur]

I don't know, if I saw a world covered in oceans of hydrochloric acid, I would be dead either way, and thus spend time searching elsewhere.

[@extremosaur]

@Darryl Revok The water was blessed, but we don't have confirmation that unblessed water does not hurt them.

[@extremosaur]

@Darryl Revok Carbon monoxide will not hurt you in low quantities, and not everywhere has humidity often.

[@extremosaur]

@Darryl Revok I agree that this is a demon movie, however, if it were aliens, we are making several large unsubstantiated assumptions that the aliens would avoid a toxic planet. They may be ignorant, there is absolutely nothing logical that comes with the development of technology that would inherently teach toxicology.

[@StephenGillie]

Earth is so beautiful that it attracts visitors from across the universe.

[@Curiefeld]

In a story I'm casually writing we're sharing the solar system with aliens who came as refugees a couple of thousand years earlier. They came here while we had our current level of technology after noticing us on route to their planned destination. They realised we'd soon face the same danger they did, so they may as well work with us. They colonised Saturn.

[@liberalrationalist8905]

Hmmm. Maybe they came here a couple billion years ago, saw life on Earth and left our planet alone. They settled on Venus and/or Mars. And really, really screwed those planets up. As for "working with us", maybe just using us as cannon fodder: "See the Earthlings, they're even more dangerous than us...."

[@violentnexus3563]

Atleast they didn't Colonize earth

[@kiteinthesky9324]

Link?

[@Quinn_Falkenheim]

When you said ‘Saturn’, do you mean it’s moons like titan or the literal planet itself?

[@Juhnte]

Oh they are nice guys

[@ZMacZ]

22:31 Jumpdrive failure, massive system damage. One shot left, landing on a planet while the repair system kicks in. You'd be lucky to land in one piece. But that beats hard vacuum chewing.

[@ZMacZ]

And they can tell u about what's going on out there, and maybe share tech with us to help us prep for what's coming. But blowing them up without even trying, that's just plain fear.

[@ZMacZ]

Then there's the chance that whatever was onboard has already arrived and started spreadin, with them and their technology being the only thing that could have saved us, but instead getting vaporized. All they might hav needed is a short time to create the cure, given some resources their ship didn't have anymore. Now we'd have a Drakh plague on our hands or something, and less than Babylon 5 tech to research it. Nah, first make an attempt to aid. What goes around comes a round and I believe that to be Universally true.

[@ZMacZ]

Refugees have a reason to be refugees, and as such there's something they are fleeing from, which would be a species rather than a plague. Now given they are so desperate to land here from all places, the ones chasing are not friendly at all. I mean if the chasing species would be peaceful by nature, they'd have nice cozy cells and such, not death and mayhem or worse. And yes, we can help without choosing sides, and hear both sides before laying judgement. if we don't, we are ourselves are not worthy of such. In fact, they can be testing us by faking a crash. You can see what a cilization is like by how they treat the helpless, the children, pets and elderly. In our case, our track record would be shoot on sight and vivisection upon crashing. And yes, this may involve taking a risk, or facing the galactic civilzation through the eyes of a forever pariah, on the slowest track up the ladder. A species to be avoided, period. A species to be shot down from the sky upon entry into the system, as they themselves would do. Nah, I don't want that kind of rep between the stars, even if that means risking my health.

[@cookiemonster3147]

You are not only a science fiction writer and futurist, but also a great philosopher!! Very well done video!!!!!

[@ChicagoMicrofarm]

Your “R”s are night-and-day better than earlier. Particularly when the sound is followed by a vowel. My kid’s in speech therapy and I appreciate being able to use you as a case to look at!

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

I noticed that too!

[@dragoninthewest1]

22:45 I am so glad I'm not the only one who asked why General Zod didn't just used the device on Venus first. You don't just attack entrenched people, you build a forward operating base.

[@daveharrison61]

Ah! An easy question to answer: most Hollywood writers are talentless hacks who think as deeply as your average gene pool on a Norfolk village.

[@jasondolph2785]

Did you just slip in a Spelljammer image of an Illithid fleet? AWESOME!

[@zeusdemi6858]

6:03 that's... optimistic, cause I can imagine a LOT of scenarios where they definitely would open fire if they found out they shot down our ship with 'no provocation' from our end, despite how logically they laid it out

[@SpecialEDy]

Happy Arthursday! If you're an alien refugee, don't forget to wash your appendages before and after shaking hands with us at first contact!

[@rommdan2716]

And use protection when engage in 4th kind alien contact.

[@JohnDoe-ns5su]

@@rommdan2716 lmao.

[@Sara3346]

14:19 Unless of course they developed long-range communications via means other than radio. The Tool Breeders come to mind as not quite aliens who likely would have no idea what a radio is.

[@colinsmith1495]

If they're doing that, then it's likely not in any language or pattern we would easily recognize, and they're relying on us to translate their message, which is a huge gamble to begin with. If they know enough about Earth to know any given Earth language, they should know enough to know that our communications systems are limited to light-speed methods only, and likely know enough to know what particular spectrums we monitor for alien messages. So, either there's little chance it would do anything other than warn us aliens exist, or they should know better to begin with.

[@virutech32]

Not very likely. Even if they have something better than radio they presumably did not burn all their EM science books after inventing it. They will have radio telescopes & could build transmitters fairly easily. So they would notice all the weird structured radio noise coming off a planet where there should be none. It's not exactly a leap to assume they could guess what we used to communicate. Also lasers are a thing & incredibly useful since they can be made visible to the naked eye & therefore warn of their approach to a civ at any tech level. Just because we use the internet doesn't mean we forget how to send physical letters. We may use electric lighting, but we can still make oil lamps. Having better tech doesn't imply being uncapable of detecting or using lower technology

[@AleksandrPodyachev]

What are tool breeders?

[@Sara3346]

@@AleksandrPodyachev Not quite aliens: sauhardyakuri.blogspot.com/2019/10/tool-breeder-all-tomorrows.html Close enough for their extreme levels of divergence from baseline humanity though.

[@kms11111]

After watching this, I have an idea for something where aliens show up disguised as something greys because they watched just enough of our media to think thats what we expected.

[@jedstanaland2897]

In old man's war they talked about two things that resulted in the death of two entire races of aliens the first was clone armies and the second was a robot army. The first one resulted in the annihilation because of the use of a single biological weapon and the second was because of a mass reprogramming even. I also read a book years ago and there was a refugee situation where the species were actually trying to save earth in an attempt to prevent most of the galaxy getting wiped out.

[@maxstirner6143]

ah, the first man to kick himself

[@neolithictransitrevolution427]

Can't believe you didn't mention the Asgard from StarGate. I guess you didn't find the "we're to smart to think of dumb ideas like humans can" very probable

[@tristanbackup2536]

@Dan Nguyen & their philology, they think different than humans do, humans think or more so adapt to situations & short-term, Asgards think more long-term & pre-plan everything due to millions of years have passed for them their evolution has changed to that from having advance technology.

[@hubertfarnsworth6824]

Hey Arthur! This episode was another classic and fun entry in the Alien civilization series. If I may offer an idea that was on one of your polls a while ago, I think Probability Manipulation would be a great episode as it's rarely used in Sci-Fi and has seemingly limitless potential.

[@topogigio7031]

Rarely, but quite famously prominent in the Hitchhiker's Guide.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Might be a good scifi sunday episode, and one Niven also liked to discuss, though I'm not sure how to title it.

[@hubertfarnsworth6824]

@@isaacarthurSFIA You actually replied Holy- Also I think something along the lines of "Probability Manipulation: Bending luck to your will" would be fun, though that might be too long so maybe "Probability Manipulation" or simply "Changing Luck" :-)

[@hubertfarnsworth6824]

@@topogigio7031 I was actually going to put that in my comment, but I'm sure that most people who've seen SFIA have read the book or at least have heard of it through Isaac's recommendations.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

@@hubertfarnsworth6824 Possibly "Probability Manipulation: Luck Changing Technologies" might be better, the other might read as a self-improvement video :)

[@kobebarka8633]

Happy Thursday friends! One day we all may be alien refugees. Let’s hope not! Live long and prosper 🖖🏻

[@kangtheconquerortheninth3826]

Uhggggghhhhhhh I'm afraid we already are refugees as a civilization we are sending too many probes into space and they are OBVIOUSLY being answered the unfortunate part is we aren't prepared to deal with the gravity of change within our own day to day relations with each other.....while still trying to invite people into what is known as home: Earth. Yeahhhhh good luck with this. As it's been said "We are ringing the dinner bell" and the big baddie will find us before the end of the century. It happens in all civilizations that are on the cusp of ending themselves.

[@DBFIU]

At this rate, I believe we might be. :(

[@squarerootof2]

I already feel like an alien refugee in my own country.😿😢

[@kangtheconquerortheninth3826]

@@squarerootof2 what country may that be....OHHHH let me guess 🤔

[@atlanciaza]

Yo, its Arthursday, not thursday! 😁

[@oLevLovesLove]

If we recieved some fugitives from an interstellar civlization, shouldn't we at least try to independantly verify what they were running from? Otherwise we would be dealing with an information asymmetry in all our negotiations. On the other hand the fugitives might be very keen to not allow us to make any contact with their origins for fear of us giving away their position and might take extreme measures to prevent that.

[@johannageisel5390]

We: "Hello, Imperium of the Poijüpo. Are you really threatening the Ssoq?" The Imperium of the Poijüpo: * *whooooooooosh BOOOOOOOM* * We: ded

[@LA-xf8hl]

Holy shit! 10 million Silurian weapons, not an asteroid belt!.. What if the fleeing faction turned the weapon system on their enemies to prevent them following!!! MIND. BLOWN. 🤯

[@Vjx-d7c]

Isaac you! are! the! man! Every week you keep blowing me away with these videos, its making me quite suspicious that you're just a advanced script writing A.I., all jokes aside I love you from Jamaica 🇯🇲 also I showed some of my friends yor channel and they were mindblown❤❤❤

[@anteconfig5391]

8:33 where'd you get that image? Is this from somewhere? That thing looks like something out of a dream. Hostile and way more intelligent than you can imagine. I would hate to be on the wrong end of those predatory like eyes.

[@cristiancamilovaldiviesopo6717]

Hey Arthur! Been wondering if you could do an episode on Alien Art

[@LudosErgoSum]

After seeing this, DISTRICT 9 come off as a documentary on how we as a species will deal with this "refugee crisis".

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

would depend on where the craft lands but i think humanity can be more civilized

[@js70371]

The more I watch your shows about AI and uplifting, the more I’m convinced that part of the problem with the Fermi Paradox for us (and anyone else really) is that once a species reaches a certain level of AI advancement and life extension, they stop existing as biological entities altogether and become a fully digital civilization. This occurs long before they have colonized large portions of a galaxy and once they reach this plateau, they more or less stop expanding because there is no point in it. Once you’ve seen a few million different stars and worlds, you’ve seen them all basically, and life becomes whatever you want it to be inside of a supercomputer. 🤖🤷‍♂️

That's still not a solution to the Fermi paradox. Because there's no reason not to expand the computer, or build more computers.

[@andrasbiro3007]

But you still need resources, and to protect yourself from potential hostile aliens or natural disasters. There's always a reason to expand. Also these kind of Fermi Paradox solutions only work if they are true for every single civilization, because a single expanding one will very quickly leave an unmistakable mark on the galaxy.

[@virutech32]

Interstellar colonization isn't really about exploration & novelty. It's about harvesting more resources to either live longer, support a larger population, or both. Going digital doesn't change that. In fact, it makes things worse since every kg of hydrogen wasted in far-away stars can support so many more people for so much longer. Digitization only makes the fermi paradox worse. Both from a thermodynamics & an interstellar travel difficulty standpoint.

[@Blowfeld20k]

So your protocol is the template for EVERY Alien civilisation in the Universe, and all of them follow it regardless of biological or socio-cultural influences and preferences?? I THINK not. As it only takes one civilisation, or even one break away group within a civilization to set the galactic colonisation bus in motion. One batch of Von Neumann probes and boom your off to the races. How hard is it to grasp the basic idea, that many many people of both high intelligence and high scientific credentials have THOUGHT about this topic, at length and had the good grace to explain the situation to the rest of us. All we need is enough humility to learn in more detail what they are trying to tell us, before me reach for lazy non "solutions" that only illustrate how little we understand the topic.

[@michaelselz3389]

Most all advanced alien species are way beyond the archaic digital era

[@Zurround]

A good example is the movie and tv series ALIEN NATION or DISTRICT 9. Both versions of Battlestar Galactica could qualify but do the humans on the show count as aliens? Does SUPERMAN count as a "refugee"?

[@EmergencePhysics]

One of the best episodes, i like when you study possible scenarios of what it could be if ... Like First Contact and Iron Stars end of time civ and other few episodes, mind blowing

[@mikebrennan5802]

The narrator of this video does an amazing job in his research and production of his video’s … I watch all ur video’s.. you do an amazing job putting them together. I don’t know what you do for a living & what you studied in college but I am Very impressed with ur video’s & want to THANK YOU for putting them together & uploading them for all Of us to see & gain greater knowledge.. I know you have a bunch of fans like myself that follow ur video’s & appreciate the work you do. From all of us that appreciate the hard work you put into these.. THANK YOU SO MUCH & WE EAGERLY AWAIT ur FUTURE VIDEOS SO WE CAN ALL BE A BIT MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE..

[@1lobster]

Why would non humans have human rights?

[@sidgar1]

The term would have to be updated to include ALL sentient life. Maybe "Sentient Rights"?

[@walterhaider869]

No, no rights of any kind. I want my alien's children served to me on a dinner roll.

[@squarerootof2]

@@sidgar1 A bit like animal rights maybe? 🤣 🤣

[@bazilisek502]

@@sidgar1 "would have to" are you sure about that?

[@rommdan2716]

And why not? If they are people they deserve rights

[@randall3981]

@12:15 you mentioned in an Ethical Universe things like murder would be wrong, but i started thinking of it, and I would argue there are reasons murder among a species wouldn't be considered unethical or universally immoral at all. On our own planet alone, a Praying Mantis devours their mate occasionally for nourishment and certain animals will kill their young if they perceive a problem. I think the "morals" of any given species is essentially dictated by their own evolutionary instincts for continued existence. For us, we naturally reproduce in a biological sense and we're pack animals by nature that protect each other in numbers, so we're biologically wired to grow our numbers. Thus, taking another's life feels morally wrong and violates that instinct to grow our numbers. But what if a species reproduced from a bio-synthetic method and valued reproduction rate efficiency above all else? In other words, if they only could (reasonably) reproduce by other members of their species starting the process in a lab or some method requiring manual intervention, and their entire purpose in life was the drive to be able to reproduce other beings themselves as efficiently as possible, then it's reasonable to assume they could morally be ok with "murdering" another of their kind that wasnt efficiently reproducing as well as others could, especially in an environment with only limited resources to support the community. Additionally if that species were to visit earth, they could mistakenly assume we follow the same set of "universal morals" as them and assume we kill off those who dont reproduce as fast as others. TLDR; We probably shouldnt assume there actually is any "universal set of moral instincts" across alien species, because what might be horrible and appalling for us, might be necessary and mundane for someone/something else

[@randall3981]

You could also take that a step further and extrapolate that if an individual of that species, a species that values efficiency above all else, is just simply being lazy, it might be as repulsive to that species as murder is repulsive to us.

[@theunstoppableaxeofjustice3991]

@@randall3981 Very cool. Thank you for providing this information out there it was a good read.

[@LucasDimoveo]

It seems like a fleeing alien faction would easily be able to set up in Alpha Centauri or all of Sol (minus Earth) if they can make it all the way over here. Besides, there is little we can do for a species so much more powerful than us

[@charleswidmore5458]

world wide infrastructure not withstanding right?

[@LucasDimoveo]

@@charleswidmore5458 what do you mean?

[@jylehansen2758]

we can’t even travel to mars, these theoretical refugees can travel vast distances and obviously have superior technology, our worldwide infrastructure would seem insignificant

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Maybe the do not have a choice. I sort of have this Sci Fi story idea about a ship with alien refugees onboard but the ship is damaged and they barely have any fuel left due to a leak. As such, once they hit the breaks to stop somewhere they must commit to that system. Also while they have advanced knowledge they severly lack equipment to make use of that knowledge. So a helping hand from locals would be invaluable.

[@1ofAkind_Divine_Immortal_Mind]

You raise many logical and interesting points, very robust and stimulating Topics, well done my friend.

[@moisesrodriguez7650]

Any alien who ventures near Earth ought to be really desperate. They probably settle on Mars. If they have the technology skills to travel between stars they will find building something up there safer. Way safer.

[@crappycomputer77t1]

Yeah that's true. Way too much drama with humans. And then who knows how a country might react to some crashed alien ship with survivors. Where it lands is very important. District 9 comes into mind.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

but mabey the idea of a planet or spiecies being devided and hating one another is a foreing conept to them since being advanced enough would requiere a entire planet or even multiple planets to be united

[@guaposneeze]

"South Park," of all things, had a fun take on the idea that you should always be skeptical of the reasons for an interstellar space ship crashing with no clear communication about why. In the episode Pinewood Derby, the alien space ship was a morality test to see if humans would try to keep stolen Space Cash.

[@zhcultivator]

Thank you for making this video, I literally had the same idea of Alien Refugees in my head in the past lol.

[@JoshuaDracul]

"Our Wowld." i love the unique way in which you sound.❤️

[@ghostdreamer7272]

I think this will be the 2nd-most-likely reason for any of them to come to Earth in colonizer mode… the 1st being an idea not tackled yet here: “Ideological Aliens”

[@eliotoole4534]

I’d tell them that landing on Earth is not OK yet but the moon is a good place for them to stay and guarantees that nothing catastrophic to either of us will occur from ecological contact

[@jp12x]

I think "escaping the gravity well" is not thought about much. Once you can get off a world like Earth, you shouldn't go back unless you can guarantee you can get off again. Refugees might want nothing more than to get back into space. Thinking living on a planet and space-faring aliens wanting to live on ours feels provincial and maybe quaint.

[@randysmith9715]

Maybe they will think a planet makes a convenient target. If you are able to climb out of a gravity well, why would you ever go back??

[@esnevip]

Why is it YOUR streaming service Isaac? Are you a dev or have stake in the company? I never understood the wording there.

[@silverhawk7324]

My favorite movie that covers this Topic really well is District 9.

[@Orthanc6]

The ancient Dino Asteroid Belt Defense System is by far the coolest idea for why aliens haven't messed with us I insist that it fires T-rex's into the hulls of invaders that cross the Oort cloud

[@PerfectAlibi1]

I guess the best answer would to offer them a few asteroids to hollow out. Or if they really need a planet, we can offer them Mars to settle. Showing we let them stay safe but also not let them get too close too quickly. And if someone comes after them, they shouldn't come to us. ^^

[@caesarsalad1170]

"Here have this planet with pretty much no atmosphere, barely any water, and no magnetic field lol. Also the soil is poisonous, watch out for that.

[@PerfectAlibi1]

@@caesarsalad1170 I mean, we humans want to colonise Mars, so they would have easier time making it ready. And then we could solely intermingle. ^^

[@caesarsalad1170]

@@PerfectAlibi1 Soo where you gonna get that magnetosphere? Mars core is cold, so good luck.

[@violentnexus3563]

@@caesarsalad1170 well they got alien tech.

[@caesarsalad1170]

@@violentnexus3563 Ok? That doesn't make sense.

[@BananaBrainsYYZ]

Considering the fact that District 9 is my favorite film of all time, this is the perfect episode for me.

[@DAG_42]

Haven't listened to this episode yet... Just here to ask, did DALL-E make the thumbnail art for this episode? I would guess so!

[@noyaV_]

One of the most though-provoking episodes to date. Thank you for the videos Isaac, and congrats on 700k subs!

[@brianpetersen3429]

To serve man..."It's a cookbook!"

[@SickoYoda]

A rebel culture against ai needs living minds to power their weaponry.

[@tsubakistein1088]

I prefer the version in which the aliens come as benevolent girlfriends, with lots of technological and other gifts, for the sake of a shared brighter future :)

[@TwoToedSloth]

At 16 minutes, I think a reasonable response would be, "pull into orbit around the moon"

[@jlmwatchman]

Before I finished watching the video about Alien Refugees, I was thinking this guy has read my comments. Then I realized that I have commented on a few other videos on this topic by Isaac Author. I shared short stories at a KZbin video about a Star with 3 planets in the Habitable Zone. The complete book that I haven’t published is about three alien species that come to Earth as refugees. They don’t share that they are supposed escaped prisoners that were falsely given long sentences. In the second book that I hardly started the prison guards let them escape to prepare the Earthlings for the ‘Peacekeepers’ arrival. but they honestly don’t know this, so in the book, they become contributors to the Earth society. The Micallic Aliens An escape occurred in a galaxy far-far-away where three planets support life. The life forms of these planets differ from being Seven-foot Giants to five-foot beings with high intellect. Now the third planet has the largest population and is the most volatile. A number of communities of MonMicallics on this Planet are at War. A union was formed on the grounds of having common enemies of the many MonMicallics communities. This union formed the MonMicallics Empire. Like most Empires, they didn’t just want to run the planet this Empire wanted to run the solar system. Over the next decades, the Empire grew to control most of the goods and services around this solar system. Most of the TonMicallics from the closest planet liked the Empires Peace Keepers that kept the conflicts on their planet to a minimum. There are two main assemblies of TonMicallics that are mostly at peace with each other. Some communities wanted to grow their relations with the MonMicallics Empire to help their economy grow. They see the peace the Empire brings to this once chaotic planet. The PonMicallics keep to themselves, but after the MonMicallics Empire investigated colonizing their planet, they had to act. The Empire was overconfident and thought the PonMicallics would be easy to subdue. After their first landing, the Empire thought that they would land a battlecruiser, but the PonMicallics were prepared. No, they didn’t bomb the craft. The PonMicallics had bio-engineered workers that they turned into soldiers. These soldiers took the battle cruiser and killed all on board with ease. The MonMicallics Empire took these actions as acts of War. The Empire was driven back to their planet, but this Solar system was never the same. The Bio-Soldiers that the PonMicallics created at first as workers with the ability to learn did learn a lot from this War. These soldiers kept the peace by imprisoning criminals and all who rebelled against their order. A Moon of the PonMicallics planet was cold but sufficient to hold a number of prisoners. A group of prisoners from the Empire started to form a union with other prisoners from all three planets. The few Care Takers of this Prison Moon didn’t see a reason to mind about prisoners working well together. Over the next year, these prisoners started a person-to-person relay by the willing pilots that carried goods to the moon. There was a monthly transport from the planet to each prison camp on this moon. The united prisoners couldn’t join any of the other camps before a craft was available to ship these united prisoners away. The craft that the prisoners acquired was a scientific environmental craft that was suited for long-term passengers. The prisoners took the craft out of the solar system to a far-off system in the Milky Way. I Must Escape I got to get out of this prison I’ve, we all have been unjustly imprisoned. I try to remember my ball-playing days. I was running left and right, catching and throwing the ball. Not dropping it, no never. I have good hands, but I loved running. I would aim each throw for the green shirts. Our rivals had red shirts. They can’t touch the ball. We ran side by side with each other but never touching. The ball was in the air we knew where it was going. The fastest runner would reach the ball. The first one of us that saw it first, got it. I didn’t like being the chaser. Our prison is full of comrades, and adversaries that I try to become allies with. Most of the prisoners just want to get home, but fear the Bio-Soldiers. I hear there is a plan to escape. I’m told to wait and make friends with once foes. I try to remember good times, but my last game comes to mind. I was looking; the ball hit my eye first. A new teammate that I wasn’t looking to have the ball, threw it to me. I didn’t jump for it. He never threw a high ball again. He plays a good ball game that I just watch now. My vision in one eye hasn’t come clear. An old player recruited me to be a city runner. I have to remember that I love running and then I ran to deliver packages. The crowded prison has become less lonely now, but we all want to get out. I have befriended two MonMicallics that at times can upset me. They run and jump in a small room that I can just take a few steps around. We get scolded in the big room for running. The MonMicallics are scolded often. I feel for them. The PonMicallics were few. The few that were at this camp stayed to themselves. I watched them more these days. They seemed more alive. The other TonMicallics stayed out of trouble. Unlikely teams of prisoners were forming around me. I just watched and waited. This morning there was a ruckus. I stayed in line and followed the way. We boarded a craft. I didn’t know what was happening. I just stayed in line and hoped for an escape. The PonMicallics established a science craft that has three environments that suited each of us. I stayed in line and followed the way. The craft left the solar system through a Gateway past the outer inhabited systems and it was announced to make preparations for high-speed travel. We all were given the proper medications, and half of us chose to sleep. The PonMicallics have a hard time staying asleep at these speeds. Most of the TonMicallics stayed awake in case of trouble. The MonMicallics that stayed awake were the most trouble on this five-year trip. I didn’t have trouble being awake, and I didn’t cause trouble either. I read a lot and learned a lot on this trip to an inhabited planet with the three atmospheres we need to live. In an unlikely reality, these prisoners are to prepare the Earth’s inhabitants for the arrival of the Micallic Peace Keepers… The second book, I hardly started, will tell us why they chose Earth amongst the many options of solar systems and planets, to build a Gateway.

[@ghosthunterant637]

Some humans are born with silver mechanisms in their mouth, which may later metamorphisize into their tongue . Humans like dogs and can turn into them when their moon is full , but then become allergic to silver.

[@ghosthunterant637]

What does this mean at 17:00 ?

[@gabrielamello8132]

@@ghosthunterant637 It's basically making fun of what the human culture/language decoder of the aliens might conclude from the radio transmissions/media they watched to learn stuff, especially if there's little time. Specifically, the alien decoder figured the idiom 'silver-tongued' means some humans literally have tongues made of silver and also thinks werewolves are real.

[@squarerootof2]

They're already here. They're been bused to Washington D.C. right now.

[@LaserGuidedLoogie]

Earth Final Conflict was one of my favorite TV scifi shows in this theme. I hated it at first, until they started showing the Alien "saviors" as nefarious creatures with suspect motives. It was a refreshing change (at that time) from the Alien Savior trope so common in Hollywood.

[@isaacarthurSFIA]

Indeed, Season 1 and 2 were great, I kinda felt it went downhill after that.

[@korcommander]

I can potentially see some alien organization creating something akin to an exclusive economic zone so many light years from a planet. It would make sense then that aliens would find it essential to ask whether or not they could seek asylum in your exclusive space.

[@Avigorus]

I'd go beyond simple nuking for a plague ship, but nuclear imploding. That is, 3+ nukes detonating around and above the target, so any microbes don't get blown out by the blast but instead crushed by the simultaneous shockwaves.

[@kangtheconquerortheninth3826]

DEFIANCE etc., this trope has existed for a very long time. Thank you Isaac Arthur for giving the people something to think about when it comes to refugees and the understanding as to how things go wrong etc.,

[@squarerootof2]

We don't seem to be paying much attention, though!

[@virutech32]

​@@squarerootof2 i mean this video only really applies to aliens from parts unknown & unseen so i'm not sure how we could be "paying attention" if we haven't ever actually met any ET refugees

[@squarerootof2]

@@virutech32 Some people are better than others at recognizing patterns and reading between the lines. Some others just have to learn the hard way.

[@terricon4]

Main setting for sudden impacts unannounced that I have in my lore basically is one where FTL is possible in setting using a parallel universe, our ships force their way into it, and move through it before dropping back out normally, often at many times the distance. That said there are connections between universes and that one isn't entirely empty on it's own either, so while quite rare stuff does sometimes happen. In one setting this is an unknown something happens that causes the ships FTL systems to fail, overload, and get disrupted, the dozens of normal safety, backup, and distributed systems were not designs with the idea of space behaving this way in mind, so all of them fail and the entire ship halfway disintegrates as it tears back entirely into our universe. This is in part happening at a gravity well so our ship naturally falls out next to a planet or local body, in this case resulting in a massive twenty mile long ship appearing above a planet, in about a thousand pieces that start rapidly breaking apart. Pieces of seemingly solid metal with molecular bonds broken at random all throughout might be strong enough to hold together, or might crumble to dust at a touch. The massive distributed computer systems almost all have major failures and no longer work, the low tech backup systems in most cases also experience failures or the power systems to them have. Out of the several hundred thousand people on board less than five humans end up surviving, all with rather serious internal injuries and often brain damage as random parts of their body aren't connected or even present at the molecular level, but these were the lucky ones so nothing that happened to instantly kill them unlike most. This is the only story setting I have where a damaged ship shows up with no warning or notice. The only other situation that arguably comes to mind is a long dead wreckage. Say a warship someplace got shot, and blown in half, the rear half or sections is drifting through space at speed with no power, likely no one left alive (maybe in a corpsicle ish state...), and thus is basically any old dead body/debris that's been floating for who knows how long. The odds of a ship or object that took such damage randomly making it's way to an intersecting with a planet is so insanely low though. Afterall if it happened in system there would have been comms and events and warnings early on, even just outside a system you'd still get some early signals and warnings likely reaching a planet nearby, no warning means it was likely drifting for hundreds or thousands of years as a wreck... and the odds of that neatly crashing into a planet in a way that doesn't completely disintegrate every part of it just seems so astronomical...

[@wolfthorn1]

Could you imagine? Kinda hard to build a wall around the earth. "They're takin our jobs!"

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

more like "their xenopathogens are wiping us out!" you'd still want a wall 😅

[@NOONE-bs5zh]

in ancient greece nature was the definition of chaos and civilation was the opposite of that

[@petersmythe6462]

The distinction between a refugee ship and a colonization fleet can be pretty blurry. Pilgrims and 1940s Jews fleeing to Palestine could be considered refugees. Yet the projects they ultimately ended up building turned out very poorly for the indigenous populations of those places. I would say every effort needs to be made to encourage alien refugees to play by the rules WITHIN human institutions modified to generously accommodate them, rather than getting ambitions of conquest or nationalism, either as self-defense because we treat them as subhuman, or because we don't make them play by the rules and they just decide we're pushovers and Earth is their manifest destiny.

[@robertcorbell1006]

You also have the Moriori and the Maori. One society adopted pacifism to an unreasonable degree and was too hospitable to the conquering Maori who had commandeered a ship and stolen numerous weapons for the express purpose of taking the Chatham Islands as a new home following a devastating war between tribes that the two allied tribes who left had themselves begun. The Maori slaughtered the majority and enslaved the survivors. Most males were made into eunuchs and the slaves were forbidden to fraternize, so that way all future descendants of theirs would be Maori. Once the British stepped in and ended the system, there were barely 160 Moriori left alive and most were either elderly or sterile. The last full-blooded member of the tribe died in the 1930s. The only ones spared this fate were those who paired with European and American whalers, sealers, traders, one shepherd, a few swineherders, outlaws, and missionaries who had been setting up temporary camps and a few permanent structures for passing ships. They gave liquor and tobacco to the Maori in exchange for sparing their mixed families. The only remaining Moriori descendants today are mixed with outsiders. What would happen if alien refugees from a war of their own creation are welcomed with open arms only to betray that trust and we do nothing all because we want to somehow be good people or something similar?

[@robertcorbell1006]

@Darryl Revok The British and American traders were really just a neutral party for the sake of their families. Although the outlaws sold their wives and kids to the Maori in exchange for newer and hotter Maori ones. Another thing is that the family values crowd survived, the outlaws became puppets of the conquerors. Also, the families were headed by several freedmen who went to sea to escape the South. So, African man good?

[@ayylmao2190]

difference is the native Americans accepted the pilgrims, sadly the Palestinians refused peace (after all Jews were already living in the region beforehand)

[@robertcorbell1006]

@@ayylmao2190 In any case and in every case mentioned, if you're too accommodating of a host, then your hospitality will be taken advantage of. Extend a hand of peace, but always be ready for war just in case.

[@ayylmao2190]

@@robertcorbell1006 not true, Jewish refugees never took over Europe, or Iran, or India. What matters is the power dynamics

[@ZMacZ]

8:38 Although stranger danger my have happened in the past to them as well, I'd say they moved past it, or not be part of the greater galactic civilization.

[@archapmangcmg]

One important thing (to me) is that "Darwinian morality" should be renamed for at least a couple of reasons. First, Darwin himself hated the concept of Social Darwinism and wouldn't want this named after him, either. Secondly, we have a morality that was selected for by evolution, that is, codes of conduct that aid the survival of the species, rather than an individual. And that's what is important in evolutionary terms. See Dawkins' book The Selfish Gene which is about genes doing better when you help those related to you, ie the genes are selfish, not genes FOR selfish animals/people. More on topic, I think that social species are more likely to achieve and maintain space travel. That should mean the odds that the refugees care about other people are higher due to the selection pressures they faced to get there.

Huh? You have read the Selfish Gene, but you also think there anything in evolution that cares about the survival of the species? Have you understood the book at all? Yes, cooperation is often a good strategy. Just like free trade is a good strategy, but no one needs to have some 'common good' in mind for that to work.

[@archapmangcmg]

@ Actually cares? No. It has the effect of caring. That's what natural selection is, really. What survives better is preserved. High intelligence seems to require longer development periods which benefits from having parents care for their young and their relatives. The Chell aliens are likely to have an evolutionary history where their ancestors cared about other Chell aliens. That gives a plausible starting point for them to extrapolate out into caring for people that aren't Chell aliens. Plausible, not inevitable, though. If you believe I think evolution is conscious or anything, you're way off base.

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

Help those that are related to you aka your co ethnics or species in this case so it is very possible their notion of morality might not be the same as for most humans. It could be based on whatever benefits their species = good whatever doesn't benefit it = bad. So they could show up as refugees use our trust and compassion against us, play along untill they have enough power and switch to genocide/conquest mode. Being a social species doesn't gurantee they wont see other species as inferior and just use us for their benefit

[@archapmangcmg]

@@constantinethecataphract5949 Of course, no guarantees. And they'd be aware that would work both ways. Even a casual glance at our politics would tell them they couldn't count on us not betraying them first.

[@connorgahan5197]

in miracle day embryos that miscarry no longer do so, but the defects remain an infant daughter cat1 needs blood and an elderly cat1 need pain pills due to three massive Heart Attack's

[@beowulf2772]

District 9

[@susananderson3855]

I know I would never kill an alien but I happen to know that the military wouldn't give it a second thought. They kill first and ask questions later

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

so there is a extraterestrial lifeform hinding in you basement??

[@Mrcharrio]

I think Star Trek Enterprise has shown us what we'll do. Shoot the aliens and take all their tech while they are weak.

[@WarlockHolmes420]

Yeah screw em. We come first lol.

[@violentnexus3563]

The realistic approach.

[@gazamidori2866]

We need to build a space wall and I'll make the aliens pay for it

[@shardinhand1243]

if refugees come, i hope we treat them with care and dignity.

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

I have to ask, do you feel the same about human refugees?

[@shardinhand1243]

@@Ag3nt0fCha0s but surely you werent thinking of such people, you meant in general, and in general i support refugees.

[@shardinhand1243]

@@Ag3nt0fCha0s what do you think about revugees, should they be welcomed even if they destabulize the very people they burdon, or should they conform to the sociaty that graciusly acepts taking care of them?

[@shardinhand1243]

@@Ag3nt0fCha0s remember, a refugees is a person whos homeland is ether unfit for them, or activly rejecting them, and in ether case, they are whole reliant of the cherity of outsiders... they should not forget that cherity.

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

live long and prosper

[@MartinCHorowitz]

The Aliens are coming because they can't sign up for Nebula to watch SFIA off planet...

[@dirkdiggler2430]

I'm starting to think that the reason we haven't been visited by Aliens is because like the video says, we have been broadcasting all kinds of content for about 100 years like horror movies, Alien movies, natural disaster movies, Marvel movies and so onto if the Aliens picked up these signals imagine if they don't understand it's just shows or movies, they probably think this planet is extremely dangerous and all fkd up. I mean even adult movies, if Aliens don't mate the way humans do they probably think we are savages that have to stab the female with our PNS. Lol

[@robertcorbell1006]

Imagine if we're the North Sentinel Island of the galaxy and aliens fear being wrecked here more than space pirates or corrupt empires. They probably make Cannibal Holocaust or Green Inferno movies about us. Any refugees might be survivors of a space ark that crashes and they're terrified of us based on what little we know about them.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

that's the least likely thing to happen, cause that would imply that the spacefaring civilization is unable to create stories nor comprehend the concept of lying.

[@Huvy_Huevy]

5:13 I was not expecting you to just say "nuke it" like that, absolutely hilarious 🤣

[@gyorkshire257]

Philosophically speaking, it is unlikely another civilisation based on a biologically different basis would come up with the same idea of property, and therefore theft, as we would. Many earth societies have had no idea of personal property, and modern philosophers came up with a very reasonable defence of the idea "all property is theft". It is also very unlikely that the arbitrary ideas of who it is ok to kill (which again, differ in time and space on earth) would be likely to coincide between ourselves and a different civilisation.

[@acarrillo8277]

Battle Field Los Angeles was another example of extraterrestrial refugees. Granted the were armed and read for a fight.

[@fatherelijahcal9620]

First!

[@davidweikle9921]

Based Schizo

[@maxkronader5225]

What an empty achievement.

[@TheCrazyCapMaster]

Looks like you actually were 🤣

[@corbynite2004]

SEVENTIETH!!

[@squarerootof2]

Issac should be proud of the deep intellectual thought and high level commentary on his channel. 🤣 🤣

[@nomeremannthetameruinkhan]

that was a great vid. we loved the contnent and the production. we thank you for the respect of no stupid ad harassment interruptions. take care and please keep the vids coming.

[@extropiantranshuman]

thanks for portraying not all aliens as bad guys. We need to rethink aliens in order to live in a multi-species empire and grow as a civilization.

[@jylehansen2758]

Maybe there are no aliens yet and humans are just early to the galactic community, but I agree, we should also think the same about AI

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@jylehansen2758 no question of a doubt we should be thinking about AI, microbes, non-living material (like crystals and rocks made millions of years ago), insects, non-animal beings (like plants and fungi), etc. It's sad that we only barely have been understanding the nervous systems and ability for animals to have pain that we wouldn't learn our lesson of how little we know to talk down the consciousness of everything around us. Vegans are upset about how meat eaters don't recognize pain and emotions in animals, yet don't acknowledge those in plants and fungi, let alone microbes. It's really a shame - I vie for real understanding and further delving into reality and the matter - before anything else happens - so we don't label and talk down what we don't understand just to control it when it's trying to live too or is telling us or giving us something we need to know. Stay wise and thanks :)

[@winterking2510]

"You don't have to live like a refugee! Don't have to live like a refugee" 🎶

[@madhatter2695]

Earth Final Conflict really explores a lot of your thesis

[@BigZebraCom]

How are we going to prepare all those drinks and snacks for all those alien refugees !?!?? And where are we going to get the 10 to the power 23 cases of refreshing SLURM! We need? SLURM! Doesn't even have a distributor on this planet.

[@thedoctor2102]

Gotta love the way this bloke says conquerors, he sounds like Conan the Barbarian.

[@thiagom8478]

What if they do not voluntary to share technology upfront? Should we consider too bad signal if they open the possibility of negotiate trading goods, but reserve themselves the right to choose whether or not to share tech and science in later. One topic at the time? Usually when we show ourselves needing help far from home (like in Voyager, Star Trek) we assume that we have the natural right (even moral obligation) to not share anything we don't want. Share technology only in our own terms. And openly act suspicious regarding our hosts. On the other hand, we do not grant the same rights to aliens who show at our backyard searching for help. We expect instead that they will share everything, and let us inspect every corner of their ship and story for hidden stuff. Or at least that is my impression. That is a even more meaningful subject given the division of countries on our planet. Perhaps US, Russia and China would demand complete access to alien technology, and even Brasil or South Africa would ask too much, but them Uruguay decided to welcome the refugees in good will, and ask questions later. If that is a still functional interestelar ship, and what they needed was a official welcome, then Uruguay has certainly as much right to welcome them as US has. Using the metaphor of the vampire: ANYONE inside the house can make the invitation, does not has to be the "owner" (as far as the term applies in the context of Earth today). And if UN has a problem with the sanctuary offered by Uruguay it is not a problem to be answered by the military forces of Uruguay by this point. But by a interestelar spaceship.