ALL CONTENDERS, ALL COMBINATIONS! The Big England Backrow Selection Debate

ALL CONTENDERS, ALL COMBINATIONS! The Big England Backrow Selection Debate
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[@chayrogers995]

I have a cunning plan ! Ted Hill at 6. Cummingham-South at 8. Ben Earl at 7 and put George Martin in the second row.

[@rugbyanalyst]

Another great combo! Hill and C-South are such great talents

[@whitebear5405]

One thing is for sure Mercer has F'd himself.

[@charlespc8855]

CCS doesn’t play 8 did you see Dombrandt form again CCS is a 6 if you have Earl 7 CCS at 6 and Dombrandt at 8 you get mobility carrying linking and good for hard ground which will suit the locations they are going to I think personally 👏

[@sage6336]

does C-S play 8?

[@user-xo6of9rj5r]

Spot on that would be my backrow

[@carlh296]

Which ever back row you go with, Ben Earl has to be first choice. He deserves nothing less. For this next tour to Japan/Kiwi - 6 Tom P 7 Ben Earl 8 CCS 20 Ethan Roots

[@06alepea1]

I think it’s impossible to talk about backrow combinations without talking about the second row and replacements. As such my back 5 would be: Itoje, Martin, Hill, Underhill, Earl. With Chessum and Cunningham South on the bench.

[@christinerhodes773]

A few points. If Earl is uninjured and on form he MUST play somewhere we build a back row around him. If he plays 8 we do need a decent lineout jumper for balance. Assuming we do pick a tall 6 like Chessum then we do need a very physical in the 2nd row (or 2), so a balanced back 5 is essential. Incredible attacking abilities of Dombrandt and Mercer are not balanced by their defence and tight play - game breaking bench players at best. Almost everyone you've mentioned could do a job now or in the near future. On current form and allowed to be picked Chessum, Underhill/Curry, Earl - Itoje and Martin must play 2nd row.

[@joeboonmusic4004]

Agree with all of that. Earl must play. Our back row looked very balanced against Ireland with Chessum/Underhill/Earl. Itoje and Martin are finally a lock partnership deserving of the England lock spots.

[@jmurphy9657]

Not sure Mercer loses too many points in tight play, he seemed able to break tackles and beat the first man in the top 14. Defence though, not sure he's known for that. In fairness to Dombrandt, seems great over the ball in the ruck.

[@s.j.a486]

We are so blessed in the back row position at the minute and that doesn’t include ineligible players like Jack Willis…

[@mrmrH21]

Hill. Earl. Cunningham south. Pearson a cover all on the bench. Wow!

[@System-Update]

Earl, Willis & Mercer would be the best to watch. It will all depend on how Steve Borthwick wants to play, and there is definitely a benefit to having players who can cover second row as well.

[@AdamW-ne6ji]

How to say you originally forgot to mention Ethan Roots without saying it 😂

[@joeboonmusic4004]

I think your first choice back row is very solid... it's so hard to pick considering the options. So many class players will be missing out. The summer tour is one thing - a chance to try out a boat-load of back row options I hope. My first choice would be: CCS/Chessum, Underhill, Earl. In my opinion Earl has to play somewhere. The man is a contender for player of the year and pretty much held us together during the WC.

[@ianashton4036]

Said of a number of players, "inexperienced". There is only one place to gain experience and that is on the pitch. That is better acquired sooner rather than later.

[@sisyphusonlunch5541]

Cunningham-South 6 Earl 7 Barbeary 8 This will give explosive carrying but good enough defensively too. Mercer, Hill, Pepper, Pearson as the next cabs off the rank. We have players that can offer more than say an Underhill who can only really tackle.

[@keith1704]

Englands two new centres, Earl & Hill, ! 👹☠️

[@davidkirton8449]

My choices would be Itoji and Martin at 4 & 5 with Cunningham-south at 6, Earl at 7 and Barbeary at 8. A good mix of brute strength and agility.

[@peterweston189]

Arguments can be made for all these players. Great to have depth, because the attritional nature of rugby and the injuries that brings

[@specialistcarmarketing]

Given the known strengths of the Ben Earl, Underhill, Curry etc we need to try some of the 2nd choices either starting/plenty of time off the bench.

[@Porkchop259]

If Borthwick continues to play fifteen man rugby with defence and attack that he played in the six nations Earl, Cunningham-South and Barbeary If he regresses to 10 man hoof it away, all defence and hope the attack magically takes care of itself rugby, Curry, Underhill and Earl.

[@ConorOLeary-rl4bs]

I think Willis is one of the best back rows in world rugby and such a shame for you guys that he is unavailable. Chessum is not a 6. CCS I think would be a great 8. Earl is naturally athletically very gifted he is unfortunately a little small for 8 and is he good enough to be a 7. He is a little in between in my opinion

[@joeboonmusic4004]

Chessum proved that he makes a great 6 against Ireland... he was impeccable. Didn't stop for the full 80.

[@jeffreygavlinski4483]

Tom Curry, when he comes back, has proven his worth over time. He will occupy 6 or 7 so that leaves two slots from 15 eligible. Great problem to have. One last thing, England should keep second row players from the back row. Its not as if they don't have quality options.

[@endo9913]

For the tour: Hill 6, Pearson 7, Mercer 8 and Cunningham-South on the bench

[@zkavess7294]

Good video. Enjoyed seeing most of the options listed. Given the range of choices I'd disregard the second rowers, especially Martin as he looks like he provides some of the heft we've been missing next to Maro. Then it's probably something like CCS, Underhill and Earl as a first choice selection (Barb on bench). Definitely want to see what the likes of Hill, Pepper, Pearson can do - so hopefully there some scope for rotation and giving players a summer/autumn/6n off to rest at points.

[@kev63inuk]

Love your preferred back row rich. Great for us to have these options. My humble opinion on your combinations is super size one . Martin, Cunningham-south and Barbeary . England need those scary beasts to hit teams hard . Sick of England lacking that for the last 3 years or so. Martin has proved already he’s a beast who can mix it with anyone. Just hope his injury record improves .

[@thedaftestnameicouldthinko8233]

Propping crisis? James Harper gave Joe Marler quite a tough time in the Sale vs Quinn’s match and Fin Baxter has had a major performance recently. They’re almost ready and others are following close behind. Jason Leonard played for England shortly before his 22nd birthday so maybe we could try some of the youngsters sooner rather than later at the top level.

[@hughphillips5129]

CCS 6, Alfie Barbeary 8, Earl 7, Tom Pearson on the bench. No brainer imo

[@cosmojames7710]

If only we had these options at prop or centre! I think the way we finished the 6 nations and continued club form means Chessum, Underhill and Earl are first choice. I do think if either Hill or Pearson stay fit they could be a menace at 6, adding some real carrying and defensive menace over Chessum’s work-rate, lineout presence and general solidity. One player who I think has been incredible this season but probably isn’t on anyone’s radar is Sam Graham at Saints. He’s been monstrous and I would think opposing teams hate to play against him as he fights in every tackle, ruck and maul for every single inch.

[@DWRDan]

I have quite enjoyed the Chessum/Underhill/Earl combo that was found at the end of the 6N it allowed Earl to do what he does best. I can see CCS coming in at 6 in future definitely but I think Chessum's speed is a plus and he picked up a knock against France which hampered him and England still feel Underhill is Underrated, he is up there as our best back rower for turnovers and actually has very good speed and engine around the park, every "big" England performance has had him in the side and the 2019 NZ semi he was given the task to man-mark Ardie (see Squidge's video) and he kept him out of the game as well as having a try himself written off

[@madmoggy5098]

Agreed, underhill very underrated. His tackling is something to be desired, especially against the big teams such as SA and NZ

[@aha3411]

Barbeary Cunningham south earl martin in 2nd row

[@tombuckman3041]

6. CCS 7. Earl 8. Dombrandt Everything you need from your back row in those 3.

[@mikehyde8657]

One player you have missed out is Jack Clement from Gloucester who can play 6 or 8 who I prefer to Tom Willis currently.

[@MattFleury-jl9yk]

4) Itoje. 5) Martin 6) C-South 7) Earl 8) Barbearry 19) Chessum (can cover 6) 20) Pepper (Earl to 8 and Pepper to 7)

[@jmurphy9657]

Jack Willis is on that Id happily see the overseas rule scrapped for. The RFU will say there is enough choice to warrant not allowing selection of overseas players but at the v top level it's about that 1-2% extra that you can squeeze out...he has that extra je ne se quais that could be the difference in a game vs NZ or SA. He moved over when Wasps went bust on a short term deal and was quickly signed up to a long term contract in arguably the best club side in the world. It's the same as a few years ago when there werent many playing overseas but Nick Abendanon and Stefon Armitage both played in France, had each won the European player of the tournament in consecutive years, and England actually needed a 15 and a dynamic backrow. Who knows what their inclusion would've meant for the 2015 WC.

[@user-lc2nq2vu1m]

England's scrum looks so good when Martin is in the 2nd row so feel that is where he should be selected

[@kelvynblue]

6. Ted Hill 7. Guy Pepper 8. Ben Earl fits in well with a blitz defense with a Martin or Tuima adding further bulk in second row

[@jemhallcoach]

great video, thank you. What about a front row video too?

[@Markpool]

We've not enough to run a video of them!!

[@Antonym12198]

I think that in a couple years we will have pollock in this equation aswell

[@hc9870]

I think you HAVE to play Barbeary at 8. He is nasty. I saw him get a hattrick vs Tigers and he was barrelling boys for fun. Earl has been fantastic, but the way we use our 8 for England it’s close carries and monstering the opponent, no so much wide channels and flair, so Barbeary is our best horrible man option. Earl has to play 7, he’s too good to leave out the side. Quick, good tackler, good Jackler, and can hopefully find himself wider where he can use his pace. 6 is tough, but I do like the idea of a Lawes-esque 6. The problem is, I’m not sure Chessum has the physicality for it, despite putting in some good performances at 6. With Martin who seems to be the naturally more destructive, if we lose him from the row, we lose a lot of torque pushing through which weakens the scrum. Maybe play Ted Hill or CCS as I think we need the height as an option for jumping. Bench - I don’t think Barbeary has the engine for a full 80, but with Aled Walters he could get there, even so I think we need a 6/7 sub option and maybe move Earl there late game, so CCS or a Pearson for some size to throw around would be good.

[@PaulHolder]

I think the six players you picked are the ones who should be in the squad but I would expect Chessum to remain first choice at 6 unless there are injury issues in the second row (or to himself). Ted Hill would be the other one I would throw in as I would imagine a bigger squad given how long it would take to send out an injury cover.

[@jamesgunn5103]

Can any of them play inside centre ? Does is not dpeend on whether England want to play a pressure game or a running game and therefore on other team selections such as 9, 10 and 12 ?

[@lukeperks1915]

6 Hill, 7 Earl 8 Barberry. Speed from Hill and Earl, Barberry doing the hard yards and earl at the breakdown. Lineout option with Hill too. Then CCS and Dombrandt off the bench.

[@willk1756]

6. Cunningham South - plays 6 for his club, explosive ball carrier 7. Tom Curry - 50 caps of experience already and only 25 8. Earl - Has to start Bench - Ted Hill and Barbeary.

[@nickkitchen8944]

Agree with a lot of what's been posted. Namely, Earl HAS to start and you need to consider the locks as well. Itoje, Martin, CCS, Pepper & Earl to start, with Chessum & Barbery on the bench would be my current choice. The 7 & 20 shirts are the ones up for grabs, IMHO. CCS is THE 6, he's also the archetype, while Earl is THE 8. You then simply look at the form 7. They don't need to be a lineout option, they don't need to be especially good carrying the ball, they don't need to be especially good at linking the play, as those traits are taken care of with CCS & Earl. They simply need to be everywhere, all at once, and an absolute menace over the ball. Whatever else they bring to the party is the cherry on top. Finally, I need a destructive ball carrier on the bench, and I think Barbery suits that role extremely well.

[@willk1756]

Hill, Earl, Cunningham South Bench - Curry Also looks a strong option with good size.

[@kpearseis]

Just pick that list as the starting 15

[@lactoseexotics9823]

6) CCS 7) Earl 8) Mercer with Pearson on the bench

[@davidjob6881]

Chessum, Itoje, and Martin are second rows, keep them there. Roots has done nothing wrong. Why not take all the back rowers at let them fight it out what with tour and the autumn internationals we are likely to need them all at some stage....exciting times to be an England fan

[@Bpt8825]

1st choice 6. T Hill 7. Earl 8. Barbeary Bench: mercer 2nd choice 6. Pearson 7. Pepper 8. T Willis bench: Chessum 3rd choice 6. CSouth 7. Evans 8. Mercer bench: Dombrandt If everyone available for selection and fit: 6. T Hill 7. Earl 8. Barbeary Bench: T curry/J Willis(can’t decide I guess all depends on the opposition

[@robertscriven602]

Mercer and Dombrant are similar and Dombrant has got the better of him every time this year. RE building a back row around Mercer to get the best out of him you could say the same of Dimmers.

[@judemcrobbie4123]

I think you keep Martin in the row with Itoje. Then I'd like Pearson at 6, Underhill at 7 and Earl at 8. The bench would then have to be chessum at 19 for the back row and second row cover and ccs at 20. I loved the energy and impact he had off the bench in the ireland game (All be it brief) but I don't know if I trust him to play the full 80 yet but when some of the older guys age out He'll be a lock. I also would love to see Tom Curry in there but obviously we'll have to see if he can get back to the player he was coming in the world cup

[@robertwhalley882]

Right now, based on continuity; 6. Cunningham South, 7. Underhill, 8. Earl with Tom Pearson on the bench. For the near future to face big teams like France and RSA my pick would be 6. Ted Hill, 7. Ben Earl, 8. Cunningham South with Tom Pearson or Tom Curry on the bench. This back row provides the full package - line out options, pace and power in attack and defence. PS. Ted Hill has already been a club captain so he also must have some decent leadership qualities too.

[@Gilescowdemdem]

Pearson hasn't stood out enough in the prem this season imho. Granted, plenty of injuries hampering him but think Dombrandt, Ted Hill or Barbery have overtaken him. Agree with you on the rest

[@simonhague2674]

Barbeary gives you another alternative... With Jamie George as captain, much like SA, Barbeary could also offer cover off the bench at hooker which would give more options depending on the opposition...

[@timsaint835]

All good players, but I would put them on the same level as Moody, Worsley and Corry from Englands 2003 squad. All dedicated professionals, but not quite at the same world class ability and consistency as the likes of Back, Hill and Dallaglio. Cunningham-South could get there IMO.

[@pjcbelter23]

I would pick Chessum and Martin as two of my four locks even if one of them starts at 6. My 6 back-rowers would be: Ted Hill CCS Earl Mercer Pepper Evans (in absence of J Willis - needs to be given a shot and Pearson still needs work)

[@randyschwaggins]

Chessum 6; Underhill 7 and Earl 8...until Curry comes back then he takes 7. Barbeary, C-South as backups at 6 and 8. Ted Hill and Tom Willis as backup lock or 6. Jack Willis as backup 7. The rest can go back to the Prem.

[@Poorteigue]

It's Lawrence delagios little brother

[@justinstephenson9360]

The problem with the back row is that you need a player who is an additional line out threat, enough ballast to add something to the scrum, great tacklers, great jacklers, close to break down power to break lines with the ball and the ability to add something with the ball in hand wider out. If you pick specialists you end up needing 4 or 5 players. IMO Dombrandt has had his chances and hasn't given a performance to demand a shirt. I feel his time has passed. Zach Mercer is not the style of player Borthwick wants. Martin should be chosen but as a second row and a good foil to Itoje. My guess is that Borthwick first will try out various players at 8 knowing he has a perfect back up in Earl. I see England trying both CCS and Alfie in that role. If we end up with CCS at 8 then I would like to see Hill at 6 and Pepper at 7. Ultimately though Earl will get a spot in the team because he is just that good, could be any of the back row positions.

[@nickrad6966]

Too many great back row options to have Chessum or Martin at 6. Move Earl back to 7 and bring in all the new talents like Cunningham-South, Hill, Barbeary, Pearson, even Tom Willis who are the carriers England need.

[@adrianhall4547]

The only useful solution is balance with continuity. Need excellence in lineouts, close carrying, wide support, tackling (suited to the current defensive pattern) and above all . . . protecting our own possession. England's style was nearly there in the last couple of games and Earl's success clearly demonstrates that acceleration is more than a match for power at 8. My choices 6: Hill (backups - Chessum, CCS, Pearson) 7: Curry (backups - Curry (when fit), Pepper, Underhill, Pearson, CCS Jack Willis would have been 1st choice) 8:Earl (backups - Dombrandt, CCS, maybe Sam Simmonds if he was available and his ball control at the back of the scrum improved). George Martin is a lock. Can't see Mercer fitting the defensive plan. Wonder if Ted Hill just doesn't "look" urgent enough in defence though he's a great defender.

[@retlwiz]

Ben Earl has shown that it’s not just being huge but mentality that helps you make it - on that basis I would not go with Dombrandt, Pearson and maybe Ben Curry, though he has made a leap forward recently. I also think Mercer would be another Dombrandt and not make it internationally. I like all the rest and would make space for Hill, as long as he is doesn’t have underlying injuries. Also I would rest Underhill, who would be my number 1 choice at 7, but we know what he brings and maybe a break would do him good and leave space for others to develop. Injuries will play as big a part as anything in back-row selection - it’s such an abrasive position to play.

[@Markpool]

We have too many good and big number 8's to play Earl there, he should be at 7 which is the right position for his size and Cunningham South at 6 and Barbary or Dombrandt at 8, the competition for back rowers for England is insane we just need more props now!!

[@davidgates3498]

Where is Tom Curry?

[@NeilBlaiberg]

I'd go with Earl at 6, Earl at 7 and Earl at 8

[@paulthornton8871]

On 6nations form alone, chessum doesnt even make the training squad, his whip technique of the neck after a player went past is second to none

[@henrybullock4514]

Sam Underhill isn’t quick? Remember his chase down tackle in the corner against Wales, or when he turned Beauden Barrett inside out. Come on now. Also are we really valuing out and out speed in a 7 these days?

[@user-no4kz9zm4c]

Picking England's backrow at the moment has to be the hardest decision S ,Botherwick and co have to make For myself i would go for T.Hill /B.Curry at 6 - B.Earl /G .Pepper at 7 with C.C.SOUTH/ A.Barberry at 8 and have G Martin and O.Chessum picked for the 2ndrow mainly Either way England have alot of options at the moment all of them good for once

[@EnglishVeteran]

We certainly have a great depth in the Back Row. Purely looking at size, and in this case No 8, I remember the great South African No 8, Tommy Bedford. He was brilliant, World Class. He was regarded as a very small international No 8 but clearly brilliant and very effective.

[@happyspanners]

I must admit, I don’t really see the hype around Pepper. He reminds me of Ludlow. Works hard and makes tackles, but that’s it… not really a jackal threat.

[@marktucker7976]

Martin second row only

[@user-hm5lt8zn7w]

Curry, Curry, Earl. Go on, do it once

[@buderimosteopath641]

Earl 7, Cunnigham 8 and 6 is Curry if he can return from surgery. Earl is not an 8, he is a world class 7.

[@noahbrooks8257]

CCS/ Ted hill 6, earl at 7 Barbeary or T Willis at 8- someone needs to bring jack willis back to England so he can play 6 a back row of jack willis earl and barbeary would be crazy with a second row of Itoje 4 and tuima/ Martin at 5 - front row of Baxter, Langdon/ Dan and painter/ Cole would honestly destroy teams I have no doubt that pack would be great plus bleed in Asher Opoku

[@Coverdrive50]

George Martin plays at tighthead lock. Huge upside at scrum time to having him there. Lineout options at 6 so Chessum & Cunningham-South. I think moving Earl to 7 allows us to select a really quite scary & dynamic back row as the 8’s are good options. I’d pick Barbeary with a bit of a plan to hook him off and slot Earl or CCS there as Barbeary is a really big lad and I’d want him to “empty the tank” and get us a foothold in the game from the start. So I’d start: Chessum Barbeary Earl Bench: Cunningham-South I think I’d select Ted hill, Will Evans, Dombrandt and Underhill in the wider squad. A good blend of guys that have been in the Borthwick set up a while now and new talent. Ben Curry & Pearson are good but had zero minutes in the six nations and the likes of Ted Hill & Will Evans are just too good in their positions. Ted Hill needs to train with these guys to develop because I can see a future back row featuring him at 6 and CCS at 8 for a properly dynamic back row. Will Evans is simply the best out and out 7 in the prem. his jackal threat is second to none and that level of skill set can’t be overlooked. Imagine him in training getting over the ball every time the guys are a bit slow to resource a breakdown, great for building that cohesion. Not to mention, if we think disrupting the breakdown is going to be key to opening a path to victory against specific teams you’d be a fool not to pick him.

[@jimbo4890]

Whilst I agree with most of this on Evans international is a step up I think he can make it but we really need to see if he can before going to far.

[@jakehyland5317]

I really don’t get RA’s love of Dombrandt, he just never does anything for England

[@henrybullock4514]

The Earl “small for 8” argument really frustrates me. If he makes the metres and tackle breaks then why does it matter? He brings something different to a ‘typical eight’ being that he can carry in the tight but also use his pace in the wide channels. Also shown in the 6N how he can link up with the backs. He also offers the defensive work rate of a 7. He’s like if Sam Underhill and Ardie Savea had a weird mutant child. People need to start checking out ESPN rugby player stats after games, he consistently makes double digits in tackles and carries.

[@ferdiewright6784]

How are you not even mentioning Tom Curry??? Our best 7 by a mile

[@rugbyanalyst]

Long term injured ATM

[@tangfastic7075]

Poor old Ethan Roots.

[@sikelelazelanga9425]

Tom Curry??

[@Duggy1702]

Nursing hip injury

[@agray2587]

He’s injured.

[@hithere3035]

Hip injury could be a career defining injury too, he had to have a 6 hour surgery on it. Type of injury it would be very hard to get back to your best. Not doubting he's the type of person to make it back though.

[@davidcrowe8256]

Disruptor all the way

[@BertFlashman]

Its not really a dilema. The chessum, earl, underhilll was great. Also Jack Willis is not really a blow. He has been good this year but not on fire. If you actually watch the PRo14 he isn't actually that good.

[@jimbo4890]

Funny that as he’s looked excellent in all the European games and has had praise from many pundits who are not English, has he just chosen his best performances for Europe?

[@mikedellar5653]

Barberry, Curry and Hill all injury prone - won’t last a tour. Chessum and Martin never a 6. Dombrandt and Roots have failed to impress. Underhill past it. Take the rest - time to give the youngsters a go.

[@Gilan4983]

Mercer, Earl & Jack Willis to start. CCS off the bench. Martin or Chessum as utility second/ back row

[@joshpitcher4133]

6. Chessum 7. Will Evans 8. Ben Earl Let’s av it NZ.

[@9Charcot]

Whatever happens some really great players will be unlucky and disappointed! Couple of comments - For now I would restrict Chessum and Martin to being second row only options. I am not convinced by Barbeary and you don't even mention Greg Fisalau! Barbeary is great for Bath but was not convincing for England A plus he is over weight and injury prone. On the contrary Fisalau was excellent against Portugal and generally more dynamic. I suspect that there are concerns about Mercers attitude which is holding him back. I don't think he will be included. Likewise I think it is too late for Will Evans especially with the likes of Pearson and Pepper around who probably have higher ceilings Of the new boys my favourite is CCS and I just think he is going to be awesome at 6 or 8. Roots may well be under pressure from Ted Hill if you assume CSS is a given. Tom Willis most probably not....great all round player but with no super power!

[@rugbyanalyst]

Great comments, Fisilau is close, maybe another year development IMO. I think you've summed up Tom Willis, will always give 100% but others 100% might bit a bit more special.

[@9Charcot]

Thanks for the reply. BTW I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the hard work please....always insightful and thought provoking.

[@jimbo4890]

@@rugbyanalystcan’t disagree with this on the player himself, although I don’t think you would always have success with a team of pure special talents (not that we have them but pretending we did for a moment) it’s the balance mentality etc, not everyone needs to have huge highlight reels to be considered, look at Dombrant at times for Quins he’s looked world beating and incredible, simply hasn’t been the same player in an England shirt.