ALL Echo Fighter Differences In Smash Ultimate

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[@fyra_cat2119]

"No one can tell you who to play" _earlier in the video_ "If you play lucina you have no taste"

[@brileyen]

But hes right tho

[@biandanxious3438]

Did he lie??? Did he fkin LIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE?????

[@Katanawiz]

No he’s not Paisen A bit harsh to Awakening and Lucina I hope he’s joking I Think umm :-/

[@mettatonex7221]

@@biandanxious3438 Yes.

[@biandanxious3438]

@@mettatonex7221 I’m guessing you’re a Lucina main.

[@A_wild_Xavi_appeared]

Daisy should have more ground speed, she is more energetic, so it has sense to be faster than Peach (and maybe less air speed to compesate)

[@DunkeyKung]

Why didn't they bring up daisy being shorter 🙄

[@itachishisui7424]

@@DunkeyKung wait fr damn I never noticed

[@OrangeToadGamer]

I think Daisy should pull different items to make her more different from Peach, instead of putting a Bob-omb & Mr.Saturn she could pull a *Fire Flower* & *Lips Stick* to match her Flower Theming

[@themasterblaze7563]

Imo Daisy should have stronger normals, weaker specials, be faster on the ground and not have float. A cool nod would be giveing her Peach's old animations from melee and etc. Like Up-Air being a headbutt and Down throw being that hulk hogan leg drop.

[@ikatulo_yt]

@@themasterblaze7563 I don't think they can port it from melee but a more agressive daisy would be nice, still want her to keep her float so she can do cancels tho.

[@themasterblaze7563]

@@ikatulo_yt I'm going to make a list because I'm terrible at writing. 1.) They could re-create her moves, granted it'd be more work than say, Wolf, but they could/should-have done it. 2.) Yeah, but... does Daisy float? Like, I know she does crazy stuff like Peach and I know floating is mostly a smash thing, but it just don't seem right to me for whatever reason. Plus, I think Float would be a bit much if you take my approach an make her normals stronger than Peach's.

[@ikatulo_yt]

@@themasterblaze7563 fair point

[@alondite215]

@@themasterblaze7563 Be careful saying what the developers could/should have done. Daisy in SSBU cost little more than a character model in terms of developer resources; if she was to be a more fully-realized character on her own she might not have even been in the game at all because that's a lot more work and resources are not infinite.

[@ArjunRaviFunniestManOnEarth]

Dark Samus actually has one more kind of advantage over Samus, her dash is weird so Mario's dattack misses sometimes

[@ayar2]

assuming the Samus player would run into a completely able Mario, if its not to punish or making an extension, theres no reason to run into your opponent when you should just camp.

[@willycheez7218]

6:09 haha Mario getting sucked into the blast zone from 8 metres away was hilarious

[@897bigman]

Watch out for NY player Big Mike. He's the best Marth I've ever seen

[@segundoteoremafundamental3251]

And X dude, don't forget him

[@YJSho_Nuff_]

Man Trela was that dude with Ryu. He made him look OP at that time

[@cartoonkenj2209]

We should get an echo fighter pass lol

[@g0ddish434]

Peach and Daisy alongside Simon and Richter is a good example how useless the "he'll just be a clone" argument on Twitter. Richter and Daisy's differences are so small that they're really more skin alts than actual characters

[@cashbag]

Peach and Daisy have no difference

[@cyanclyde8456]

I always say Daisy is just a Peach alt & that the true new Smash Ultimate echo fighter was Alph all along

[@nyquillusdillwad9119]

@@cyanclyde8456 Daisy is ever so slightly shorter than Peach

[@Jordantellect]

I think we all needed this

[@Ghaust8546]

I can't tell if ur ironic or not

[@cadenlikespigs]

*said in sarcasm*

[@marzemd]

Talking about Roy and Chrom, “You’ll find these two right next to each other on the tier list.” That aged poorly.

[@westube3493]

Maybe we can get an echo fighter for Robin who is decently fast, but may have less durability or a weaker levin sword.

[@sirajsaunders9967]

That would make no sense. She's an Avatar. She has a male counterpart and no need for an echo.

[@mathishd5558]

@@sirajsaunders9967 Male robin isn't a counterpart to fenale robin they are two version of the same character neither of them are counterparts to each other

[@sirajsaunders9967]

@@mathishd5558 I don't mean counterpart in a sense of them being any different in their movement, move set etc. I played their original games and I'm saying that having an echo fighter for Robin, wouldn't make sense.

[@memoryman3586]

Seeing the other echoes? Probably not

[@julezzz_08]

DID HE JUST SAY PIT’S ARROWS ARE BAD?? (I may have heard wrong but I think that’s what he meant?) THE ARROWS ARE CRAZY

[@GardevoirBoy1991]

I get that Princess Daisy was made to capitalize on the success of Princess Peach, but no matter what, Daisy will always end up being a discount Peach.

[@GardevoirBoy1991]

@My Name Is Donk And I Love To Honk It's true that there are games that Daisy and Peach are in together, but it's mostly spin-offs and sports games. I know that Daisy is the better princess, but Peach always gets the best of attention only because she's more iconic and well-known even in the 1990s.

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

Honestly I think that the echo should have more differences (like for example on hit faster than the other but does less damage or one is more resistant than the other and does more damage)

[@hunterxnathan]

then that’s not an echo fighter lol

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

@@hunterxnathan they're but they hit harder or moves faster and the moveset is the same

[@memoryman3586]

@@Skypatroller_BenCD dr mario isn’t an echo for that reason.

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

@@memoryman3586 not exactly originally he was going to be a skin but apparently it was to hard to remplaced the fireball by pills and also most of the Dr.Mario's moveset aren't the same for Mario and I know that Roy and Chrome does have different moveset but that's the only exception who screwed that rule

[@darkpit456]

How fitting! Lucina is better than Marth because she doesn’t have the tipper mechanic and then Chrom is better than Roy for pretty much the same reason.

[@number090684]

The are some more echo differences they didn't go into for this video, also there are more players that rep Ryu such a Vendetta(Yes Vedetta mains both Ryu and Ken pretty well) and Munekin.

[@wusgoodie7498]

let me add this to my “strictly smash” playlist

[@sword_pro_8]

Thank you for that! 10:18

[@tomato_42]

im very interested whos gonna be c tier

[@Ftbll10]

Bonk: If you play Lucina you have no taste Me who just liked the feel and movement of the character without having to learn random crap: *crying*

[@fyra_cat2119]

Me who just likes Awakening: _also crying_

[@zenith2876]

You showed vendetta using ryu yet not mention him for ryu. When he went only ryu and Ken during world tour and won it. Odd

[@kidkruschev]

I like how he considers her double jump a morph ball

[@ayar2]

ikr, its just a hurtbox reduction when double jumping,

[@xxMaki]

Isn't peach taller than daisy whom is wider due to her hands?

[@BONKfrys]

I picked up Marth last week...

[@Mr.Jcc_]

Good keep playing him

[@atombomb2454]

Yeah I saw!

[@cubeman9766]

There are differences?

[@hadomaru]

Wait, some people like Shadow Dragon more than Awakening?

[@Sander_44]

Did anything happen to samsara

[@darkpit456]

Pit or Dark Pit? Definitely Dark Pit for life! “Dark Pit arrow tends to work more better in more important matchups” -ZeRo.

[@papelhat4265]

Dark Pit side b can also kill earlier, which is why I play dark pit

[@darkpit456]

@@papelhat4265 Yeah, me too. Actually I find Dark Pit to be a good matchup against characters like Ike, Roy,and Chrom.

[@DeFyYing]

I feel like Pit's arrows are better for gimping but Dark Pit's arrows are better for neutral and just overall combat

[@JCBurdenLifter]

I love how you said play who you want to play at the end of the video, thats my favorite part, that right there. Opinions are ok, but play who ya want. 🎉🎉🎉

[@alanuriegabecerra1374]

Why not mentioning chrom has more range attacks?

[@ClutchCompetitor]

What about link

[@Matter_Of_Fact]

Im pretty sure there were more differences between the Samus's. I thought Samus's forward Smash and down tilt had slightly longer range. Idk i could be wrong though

[@keeshuunedited5678]

Yeah there are more differences between the two. Someone made a good comparison video between the two a long time ago but I forget who. One of the differences is that Dark Samus's missiles go lower than Samus's.

[@ayar2]

samus fsmash indeed has longer range, not sure about her dtilt.

[@OntyVeracitea]

Wait, Richter and Simon have different side special behavior. Simon's return's on hit, whereas Richter's is uninterrupted and goes its full length.

[@ayar2]

not true, both can pass uninterrupted (more so if you tap the stick) and only return earlier if shielded.

[@DunkeyKung]

Why didn't he mention that daisy is a bit shorter

[@brendanlafferty9814]

Where’s the livestream arenas?

[@waterlegend72]

Shouldnt Dr Mario be an Echo of Mario?

[@ShadyBowser]

Can players have duel mains instead of secondaries because i use bowser and yoshi alot together

[@zooker7938]

Yes you can have 50/50 mains.

[@ShadyBowser]

@@zooker7938 thats alot

[@zooker7938]

@@ShadyBowser No, I mean you split your attention 50/50 (half and half) between two characters. That's what dual mains are. I won't advise trying to main half the roster! XD

[@ShadyBowser]

@@zooker7938 oh lol i get it now

[@yogurt5628]

I really think that we should get an echo update so we get more of them like funky kong for DK dixie for diddy and king hippo for k rool

[@mkayrose6070]

No in regards to Dixie. She outta be a semi clone at least.

[@anivibes2968]

Jepp! Pick the one you Like 👌🏽

[@alexmp785]

I have a question, are lucas and ness considered echo fighters 🤔

[@NaughtyPigMario]

no they arent officially listed as echo fighters

[@tantalum_lady]

If Dark Samus can hit shorter characters with certain moves, does that mean Samus can hit easier on characters higher up?

[@dbgr9875]

Yeah, but hitting grounded characters is definitely more important than hitting a few pixels higher into the air. If your up smash anti-air an opponent as Samus, it's probably still going to hit with Dark Samus.

[@ayar2]

it means that Samus can hit jumping characters a bit more easy than dark samus.

[@potatfresca5451]

“Shadow dragon is a much better game then awakening” “Haha good joke” “…” “You’re joking… right?”

[@mathishd5558]

He's right, most Fire Emblem fan whould agree. Awakening as really bad map design and really favors snowballing, as most maps consist of empty battlefields with weak unit it's easy to solo maps by putting any trained unit in range and watching them all die

[@Lira_orpheus]

Personally I choose: Dark Samus: I prefer the darker color palette, particle effects, taunts and lower Charge Shot. Peach: Daisy's personality is to noisy for my liking (that doesn't mean I don't suck with both). Marth: I prefer his sweetspots. And I value more my sinergy with the character than the characters strenght. Ryu: Same reasons as Peach. Simon: Blue fire looks cooler. Dark Pit: I prefer the stronger and faster arrows and Side-B for gaining stage control. And the victory screens.

[@ayar2]

Richter has the blue fire

[@Lira_orpheus]

@@ayar2 Oh, yeah. Thank you. My mistake, I meant Richter.

[@DeFyYing]

"Can't help but feel sorry for ya"

[@spiritbaki108]

Hear me out: Spiritomb as an echo for piranha plant

[@danielt7708]

If you were somehow able to hit only tippers with Marth, then yes he’d be better than Lucina, maybe even the best in the game, but no human would be capable of that

[@RetroEternal]

MkLeo is the closest fs

[@azumarill80085]

Daisy got shafted so hard in ultimate tbh

[@ayar2]

she got it better than waluigi at least.

[@Uncafeconwilfredo]

Where s Mario and his brother the proctologist?

[@andypeoples7175]

I could be wrong but doesn’t Daisy have a slightly wider hurt box than peach in some animations and peach has a slightly taller hurt box than Daisy in some animations

[@presion5628]

Daisy is lower but extends her arms horizontally while Peach is higher and doesn't extend her arms

[@musickirb5641]

Wait isn't doctor mario is a echo to mario?

[@marcelmcdanielsthebeast8956]

I play peach sometimes and daisy to

[@KLightning18]

I Love How He Doesn't Mention Roy And Chroms Up Special 🤣

[@KLightning18]

OR PIT AND DARK PITS FINAL SMASH 🤣 Dude This Stuff Is Obvious. And He Mentions 3 Frame Differences. WHAT!

[@DeFyYing]

@@KLightning18 Huh? He mentions the up special at 6:00 And while final smashes may be fun, they're never used in competitive settings

[@KLightning18]

@@DeFyYing He Mentions Slower Start Up And No Rising Hitbox… But He DOESN’T Mention That They Are 100000000% Different Roy, Rises Up With Fire Blade. Chrom: Throws His Blade In The Air, Spins, Then Smashes Down. So He Can’t Mention That?

[@KLightning18]

@@DeFyYing He Says The Echo Differences So Even Though Final Smashes Are Not Competitive They Are Still A Thing.

[@DeFyYing]

@@KLightning18 Ohh I see what u mean, like it's more than just him saying it's a worse recovery but why it's different

[@zozilla17]

Pick a character you like their primary game

[@apex2000]

So Daisy not actually an Echo Fighter anymore?

[@Leap623]

I get keeping the takeaways from Lucina vs. Marth short, but it would have been nice to at least get some more useful comparisons between them beyond "Math has tippers", especially with all the useful info given for every other comparison here.

[@alondite215]

...but that's basically all that's different, really. I'd have to double-check to be sure, but I think their frame data and relevant character attributes are the same.

[@Leap623]

@@alondite215 I mean yeah, but even between Roy and Chrom they still managed to point out a few interactions that are easier for each character, like how Chrom does ledge trapping and air-to-airs better.

[@Ralsrags]

As a daisy main, when I played peach she felt REALLY different from daisy but idk

[@Onyxs]

Other than appearance the only differences is a very very small difference in hitbox size for like 2 animations that make Daisy bigger but that’s it. Basically not anything that will affect gameplay in any large capacity, pointless character. Should’ve just had her be like Alph

[@lakerstr8killurteam]

Did y'all forget samsora mains peach?

[@dbgr9875]

Yeah but he got the ban hammer

[@nickus2000]

What about Mario and Doc

[@darkdoctor1915]

they are not even echos, they have a lot more properties changed then ken, Though ken in exchange for same attack properties, Has different moves, Also Clones who appeared in melee don't count as echos, which also applies to Pichu and Young Link

[@skele_wave]

Literally what is Daisy’s purpose then. Why give Peach an echo if they’re going to be identical. Why not make Daisy an alternate skin. WHY WASTE RESOURCES WHEN OTHER CHARACTERS DESERVED TO BE IN THE GAME. Sorry- still upset about Waluigi-

[@espurrseyes42]

Waluigi doesn't deserve a slot.

[@fden3891]

Awakening > shadow dragon

[@mathishd5558]

No, Awakening as nothing on Shadow dragon

[@siervodedios3139]

Between Ryu & Ken, I choose Ryu.

[@itachishisui7424]

You sir are a man of culture

[@andrewbaek6691]

why not both?

[@dellebelphine-moralez3510]

Where’s Captain Falcon and Ganondorf?

[@iswiftyfox8997]

I’d love to see some differences added Dark Samus: Charge shot takes longer to fully charge but once it does it’s stronger Dark samus is slightly lighter than Samus Side b: missles home better but are slower and less damage Bombs: dark Samus different bombs completely, these bombs turn into mini black holes which can mess up ur opponent and edge guard with. They also fall and dont explode for like a second longer Up b: Dark Samus is complete different making it a teleport recovery like mewtwo Daisy: Daisy can’t float as long but has better luck pulling from down b she also falls slightly faster but is slightly heavier than peach. Up b, daisys goes higher and does more damage and knock back however you have less control with moving in the air with it. Side b daisys is stronger and has a faster startup but more endlag if missed Neutral b, daisys stays active for longer but that also means more endlag if missed Down b: daisy had better luck Chrom is slightly slower but heavier Chrom: up b stays the same Side b: stays the same Neutral b: has a smaller explosion and less endlag but less powerful Down b: stays the same Back air gets changed to links back air, Down air gets changed to Lucinas down air Dark pit: up b goes less distance but has a hit box N b: stays the same Side b: stays the same Down b: does more damage when reflecting but doesn’t stall In air like pits will

[@ultragamer8816]

Dark pits side b is better at breaking sheilds than pits side b and is more powerful

[@haslover100]

But it’s extremely unsafe on shield so you should not try to use it to break a shield

[@averagamer9222]

2:50 I think you meant to say "more attractive."

[@sukmykrok3388]

Are Ness and Lucas too different to be echo fighters? Because if their not, you missed them.

[@heckya1773]

Yeah they aren’t considered Echo fighters by the game. They basically have no similarities except for some of their specials (and pk fire and thunder interact differently anyways) and their double jump (and therefore, double jump cancelling) is the same. Their forward smash and jab are sort of similar in animation and purpose but that’s pretty much it.

[@sukmykrok3388]

@@heckya1773 that's what I mean. Ryu and Ken, by the same logic, shouldn't be echoes to each other since they have very similar sets with different interactions. The only thing Lucas has Ness doesn't is that snake tether.

[@Plugytheplug]

Well he just said the characters who are offical echos and Ness and Lucas aren't offical echos

[@ayar2]

being an "echo" is just a label, pikachu/pichu and young link/toon link could easily have been echoes, but theyre not, while ryu/ken and roy/chrom have arguably more differences between them and theyre still echoes,. in short, its just a cooler term to refer to some of the clone or semi clone characters, ness and lucas are just semi clones.

[@nesskoma2336]

Ness and Lucas are different like Fox, Falco and Wolf are different so no they aren't echo fighters

[@Epicgamer-eb7kk]

Marth or Red Marth or Girl Marth or Chrom Marth or Magic Boy and Girl Marth or Controversial Marth (Byleth) or Byleth (Bad)... *We can keep this going Sakurai*

[@MrBoingus]

no doctor Mario...? ;-;

[@Katanawiz]

4:57 - 5:03 So not true have you played both of those games no obviously not I played Awakening and Shadow Dragon both those games are good but really Awakenings the OG favourite one for me Fire Emblem fan right here Watch what you say about Fire Emblem if you do your Dead Love FE so much

[@narasumas8952]

Sadly the "Dark Samus" they added ended up being a glorified Samus costume rather than her own character. Curse you time constraints.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Dark Samus is just a slightly better Samus

[@noodlenoms1569]

i guess i will never know the difference between marth and lucina now because instead of talking about it you went on a rant about marth not being picked but not explaining why

[@deathclaw2998]

Everyone in Smash: Anyone can play Lucina Me: (Can't Play Lucina) Also Me: Am I Normal Also: Marth got so many buffs that he is actually able to get strong finishes. And Marth also kills earlier with the buffed up tipper that he were getting during the previous buffs. And Marth's Counter has more reach, can follow up on their combos, and neutral b does more damage than Lucina actually giving Marth a playable favor in some areas.

[@izzohoops8454]

I have a friend who thinks there’s a difference between both ritcher and Simon. He believes that Simon is “bigger” and has stronger hit boxes. He also believes that Simon is lengthier therefore he can get more hits than Ritcher. I showed him your video to debunk his theory that there’s literally only one difference between the characters and he says “that’s only opinionated”. I would appreciate it if you responded to my comment and gave your response to his comment about your whole page being “opinionated” 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ultragamer8816]

Daisy is soooo different to peach lol

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Looks like someone hasn't played either of the characters

[@ultragamer8816]

@@SonicTheCutehog it’s called sarcasm

[@heclfrecl3633]

I like Dark Pit better than Pit because his victory theme is exponentially better!

[@DeFyYing]

"Can't help but feel sorry for ya"

[@kanyeZest69]

Btw Roy is way better than chrom they aren’t right next to each other in strength

[@presion5628]

I'm the kind of guy who plays Marth over Lucina but Chrom instead of Roy

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

ACTUALLY daisy is slightly shorter than peach.

[@dylcoll2756]

8:52 discord

[@brutal_lui]

10:18 Meta Knight

[@atombomb2454]

Yes

[@muzzledoof6353]

Peach is VERY SLIGHTLY taller than Daisy while Daisy is a wider due to her arms sticking out. Peaches arms are straight. I'd say Peach is better.

[@cashbag]

It's funny cause Ryu and Ken are the original echoes, but they are the farthest apart gameplay-wise in this game. *expect for Marth/Lucina Marth sucks :(

[@samuelartillo8354]

Uhh shouldn't of this been made like 3 years ago

[@PikminandOatchi]

We don't accept Daisy slander here.

[@zombieguy4444]

With the exception of Ken, every other echo fighter is the laziest moveset design I've ever seen in this game ALL of them have potential for unique movesets, so the fact that they don't just screams laziness to me

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

i dislike simon because of his armpit like jeez you could serve soup in that thing

[@raymondjones6267]

What bout Mario and Dr Mario ?

[@mkayrose6070]

Not an echo.

[@TrainVelmont999]

Isn't this video like 3 years too late?

[@mythos6308]

Another reason to hate Daisy: So unoriginal that her only original trait in her move set was taken out of smash

[@Brandon_4272]

Lol what about Steve, Alex, Zombie, and Enderman? People are always telling me "Steve sucks but Enderman is top tier"😭

[@itachishisui7424]

Alex underated

[@Dylamn]

I don't know why I even watch this channel. I'm just a casual player who plays Smash for my own fun, or with friends. I'm never gonna take these pro tips into consideration. I guess learning this stuff is just interesting enough for me to stick around, but god knows if I ever learn shit here, lol. Anyway, good video, but Daisy is far superior to Peach, how dare you.

[@Red-np7wb]

peach is far superior to daisy

[@DunkeyKung]

@@Red-np7wb not really if they the same and daisy is a bit shorter it would make her better :)

[@ayar2]

just watch it for entertainment, at the end of the day, experience is the only thing that would make you improve if you want to play more seriously, but if you want casual, funny smash content, try Yo Videogames or Lythero channels.

[@qunne5555]

they can teach you a lot but they got some bad takes such as chrom being better than roy.

[@DunkeyKung]

@@qunne5555 fax Roy is superior

[@afro_cinco6720]

TL:DR: avoid playing Marth

[@Patrick-bn5rp]

I'm legitimately better with Marth. Dancing Blade sucks online, but is worth the effort when offline. Kills at 70% out of a tech chase. Plus I get tons of shield breaks which I use to tipper F-smash and kill my opponents at 30%

[@syphlous2224]

2:49 They are spitting straight facts with Daisy's mustache hair.

[@lovesicclefty]

did he just say daisy is less attractive than peach - .-

[@CometX-ing]

Pretty rude to call Peach a less attractive alternate costume.

[@BONKfrys]

Daisy*

[@cjlite0210]

9:00 Wdym? Richter is the only Castlevania character in this game Also, who tf is Simon?

[@alexnice2221]

How long were you buried in the pyramids of Gaza ?

[@ultragamer8816]

There are only 4 marth mains lol

[@MF_RUNE]

Nobody knows all the differeces between Ryu and Ken 😑

[@yogurt5628]

Roy is better than chrom and I’m not letting anybody tell me otherwise