All-in-one effect pedal for shoegaze, dream pop and ambient

[@paressehylton]

And more than 2 years later, there are still some people like me buying ms50g after seing this video. Such a cool find. Thanks so much for sharing

[@berlinshoegazer]

Haha. Yeah, it's super useful. Thank to Andy (from the video) for recommending it to us all.

[@oozygoop1373]

Yup just bought them both

[@PrinceWesterburg]

Check out the latest video - it'll blow your mind!!!

[@cdmusic2]

6 years later still buying it

[@rederickfroders1978]

An extra kudos to Zoom for the graphics. They gave every effect their own pedal image. Great attention to detail there

[@guitarpedal.]

Fell in love with this pedal, after seeing this video. Luckily a friend of mine had it and wasn't really using it at all; so I borrowed his. I love the ability to have "weird" pedal effects without have to commit to buying a single pedal for a effect you might use very little, like the 8 bit or mini synth. I wish I knew about this pedal much earlier. Also the new update is FANTASTIC.

[@LUNAreclipsed789]

Those beautiful, dreamy chords that you played at 12:25 are what sold me on these pedals. Thank you so much for making this video!

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you!

[@thebreakfastmenu]

Loveless to the right of the pedals and the shoegazer card in the middle is a nice touch

[@coffee5736]

You know these guys are true shoegazers when they have Loveless and Souvlaki CDs at the ready xD

[@berlinshoegazer]

Definitily. These records are some kind of spirit animals for shooting videos about shoegaze music. So we need to have them close... always.

[@alanredversangel]

Little tip, using a raspberry pi you could sync the pedals up so presets change together. It only takes a line of code.

[@Telltaletracks]

Alan Angel that is really interesting! Do you know anyone who has done this?

[@smoshbooz]

Little tip, blasting everything on full plus other guitars and it sounds cool too. Only takes a line of coke.

[@JossinJax]

@@smoshbooz Haha

[@ValirAmaril]

nice. I'd go for a teensy if it's just switching presets, cheaper.

[@alanredversangel]

@@ValirAmaril Can a teensy act as a USB host? Thats the only advantage of the pi really, powering and hosting USB devices.

[@MrSpeed-lt8gr]

This pedal is fantastic for ambient sounds. I love the particle reverb on it.

[@smallman9787]

Loveless by the pedals, nice touch.

[@berlinshoegazer]

It gave the session a much better feeling. :)

[@NimbusOptica]

Small Man Also souvlaki!

[@jackvalentino2125]

The two albums that got me into Shoegaze... Souvlaki and Loveless, perfection Kenneth!

[@berlinshoegazer]

Haha. Thank you. I love these albums, too and thy were one of the first ones I ever listened to.

[@mattymcmattamus]

Jack Valentino Blue Skied Æn' Clear by Slowdive. It was all downhill from there.

[@microfighterz]

Even the distortion by itself still lends itself pretty well to shoegaze

[@alessandrosegurini2216]

The 70 cdr is really great, considered the price. Tremendous value and very inspirational. I sold my H9 max which is nearly 10 times pricier; surely better quality, better a/da conversion, better bypass, BUT... in a live situation not so noticeable.....great tool!

[@Tallukeah]

I've been turned off of Zoom pedals since I was a teen, but this has blown me away. Thanks for the upload!

[@berlinshoegazer]

Hey Luke. Thanks for watching. These pedals changed my opinion of Zoom entirely.

[@Tallukeah]

SHOEGAZER which of the two would you recommend? I really want one now! Haha.

[@Tallukeah]

SHOEGAZER I would primarily use for delay/reverb/modulation.

[@berlinshoegazer]

The MS 70 CDR is stereo out and stereo in and only has the Chorus / Modulation / Delay and Reverb stuff. That should work I guess! If you also need distortion in addition the MS 50G is the better solution. But you can just go in mono but stereo out.

[@Tallukeah]

SHOEGAZER Ahh man haha. I'm okay with mono for now but stereo would be great, just don't need the drive! I'll have a think :)

[@guest-qu2jg]

I just ordered this pedal, expecting it in the mail tomorrow. I'm quite excited. Thank you for providing amateur musicians with the information to produce shoegaze at a relatively low entry cost.

[@magykjames9534]

I just ordered one of these for my birthday coming up next week. Can't wait!!

[@lunchpin403]

Wow, this is exactly what I've been looking for!!

[@lunchpin403]

Ps, I'd love to see more

[@TheTwangKings]

Finally someone shows how to use this wonderful pedal in an intelligent manner.

[@berlinshoegazer]

🙏

[@TheColonelKlink]

Yessirree! I needed a reverb pedal and bought a Zoom MS-50G from a starving college student (a good source of affordable used gear) about a year ago for $50.00 CAD. I still cannot believe my blind luck in stumbling onto this thing. I use it daily for both guitar and bass effects. With the last firmware update the options are pretty much limitless. It has a bit of a learning curve but it is worth it. A great piece of kit. Liked the video too. Thumbs up.

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you so much for watching and sharing your story.

[@blueskiedanclear-1]

@@berlinshoegazer hey man, i know it's been 2 years but i have a question. how do you set up pedals like that to your amp? it's a pretty dumb question to ask you but im like a straight up noob and dont know much

[@gloryxkid]

I just bought a multistomp for the 3rd time, I would consider my pedal board a medium size and VERY powerful, yet it can’t do a lot of the things the multistomp does. It was one of the first pedals I bought when I started to play more shoegaze music and I’m very thankful for this video Kenneth!

[@Mrpopp1e]

Instant Buy, the ending made it for me, in fact I showed my friend who is also a guitarist and he bought one straight away, lovely pedal for effects

[@evansgate]

never seen your videos nor do i personally care for shoegaze. just wanted to say i love your goofiness and positive energy. keep it up man, you just earned yourself a subscriber.

[@berlinshoegazer]

That is so good to hear. Thank you very much. Greetings from Berlin - K

[@atrainbrady3208]

There is a lot of good shoegaze you need to check out.

[@AwesomeAsFxxk1039]

It just took me back to an era when I used to feel every single day like a white winter fully of clouds! Just fuckin' great moments.

[@duncanpark9101]

Best pedal review I've ever seen :) Thank you guys so much for introducing me to such an incredible pedal! Tidings of thanks from South Africa!

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you so much!

[@KennethDonnellyStargazer21]

There's so much more in this beast you can't imagine🌛

[@tokenofdevotion]

I bought the MS70CDR a month ago and it's ridiculously amazing. I've made some cool presets out of it. Once you get familiarized with the pedal, it's pretty easy to come up with new combinations. Plus, the 2.0 update gives you a total of 137 effects. Guys you should make a more extensive review of these pedals! I think people would really appreciate!

[@edwardbock2893]

Very nice, informal and friendly look at some of the things this Pedal does, definitely captured some of the Robin Guthrie feel.

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you so much!

[@kevinpaul1719]

I bought that pedal just for Shoe Gaze. I looked at several Fender Jazzmaster guitars because of the unique tone. I did not like the quality. I built my own Jazzmaster with the best parts. I made the body on a friend's CNC machine. I did buy the neck and put my own ebony fret board on it. I wound the pickups and I did buy the hardware and locking tuners. Fender could not make a guitar of this quality. It plays like a dream and it sounds great. Now some people and friends want me to make them one I explain why it cost more than they have. You guys do great videos. Thank you

[@iamnotbabyblue]

which pedal do you use for shoegaze?

[@berlinshoegazer]

Hardwire RV7, Digitech Distortion Factory DF7 right after that (or my Devi Ever Rocket Fuzz) and a Zoom MS70 CDR (or Zoom MS50 G) for delays and other modulation effects.

[@shoshyboo9897]

my next pedal for sure *-*

[@erksipa]

Well well well, if it isn't a couple of dudes making an awesome demo. So nice to see and hear(maybe mostly hear, but you know what I mean) some ambient and shoegaze sounds! Thanks!

[@growskull]

after being obsessed with this for ages i finally caved and bought it, so excited to try it out when it arrives!

[@marissalipschutz4730]

How is it?!

[@mattpj92]

Unbelievable piece of kit for the price. Purchased today because of you! Thank you for all your uploads :)

[@borishebert7860]

I own the 70 CDR... It's been updated lately with new effects like Compressors. This pedal is a nice tool, but with a Boss ES-8 and a disaster area ghost converter, it is full midi controlable and it becomes absolutely unbeatable! Some sounds like shimmer or black hole are so cool, they sound exactly the same that their extensive models. You've got to give it Time to tweak it, but from a strictly sounds point of view, it is an amazing pedal which has no contenter in the market at this Time.

[@josephpickard3108]

Oh my god I didn't know this channel existed. Been obsessed with MBV since 2007. Only thing comparable is the Line 6 M5.

[@luthomdod]

Fantastic video, it'd be great to see a part 2!

[@stivaocchi2464]

Bought the MS-70 after watching this video. And I'm super happy with my decision, amazing device. Thank you, my friend!

[@amablemartes9616]

3:51 cherrybomb - astrobrite?? sounds similar to the chords used in the verse

[@Romnia007]

aaa that reverse reverb sounds amazing

[@Robert-dt3is]

That sounds so awesome towards the end.

[@Dag_nasty2934]

Thanks. i bought Zoom MS 50G because of you guys..

[@capsuleboy]

That space shit is the sort of stuff I like..

[@Rgdonaire_07]

Great video... great vibe... and great pedal. I love the versatility of this unit. You have a subscriber here.

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you Rafael!

[@dijonstreak]

luv u guyz - best duo presentation / demo i've seen on KZbin..learned a lot from your admirable video...THANX !!

[@Holonomics]

I am thinking about getting my first pedal. Thanks for this video - really helpful, especially showing the settings. Cheers

[@williamsimpson5507]

Dang, that's really cool sounding! Thanks for the awesome demo. I'd love to hear what one of these would sound like with a Bass VI.

[@michaelgibson4863]

Brilliant guys - my ms50g has just arrived!

[@lecormoran0]

Just got it today, and im not disappointed

[@alejandromorales1378]

just got one, waiting for it to arrive, i'm so excited!

[@atomcatz69]

Oh god damn think I may have to get these

[@madam_im_adam]

That bit at the end...awesome

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank youu!

[@madam_im_adam]

Yep I'm gonna steel the riff :P PS you just saved me about $150 cos I was about to buy a Yamaha magicstomp. This is way more versatile. Look them up if you haven't already

[@kevinpaul1719]

My home pedal board has over 20 pedals. I use it for recording music for other people. My on stage pedal board has maybe four pedals. I just bought one of the Zoom pedals you have in front of you. I like what you do with it.

[@jetjaguar72]

Great content. Nice demos and Godzilla references make everything better!

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you so much. The 50s Godzilla is just so shoegaze - I don't know. :)

[@ariesvictorygroup]

You guys are styling and Cool ! Awesome Shoegaze lesson, thanks. TenStar Generals

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thx Jerry!

[@ConcietedMuchXD]

IT SOUNDS SO GOODDDDD

[@triplesevensix291]

Sounds like Kevin Sheilds on Loveless. Getting one. One of each in fact. Zoom make some good cheap shit. Awesome. My Jazzmaster has a hard on! ;)

[@martinkrauser4029]

Don't forget the Zoom MS-100BT. It has a bluetooth connection and you can add additional effects via an iOS app. They used to sell them through the app, but are now available for free since May this year. It's stereo in and out. It's probably the best buy from the Zoom MS series. I own a 70CDR and will probably get a 100BT to match, and build a hacked MIDI controller for them through the USB port - somebody did it, so it is possible. :)

[@berlinshoegazer]

WOW! Thank you for these great infos Martin. And thanks for watching.

[@sunlounger29]

I just bought the MS-100BT on ebay for 85,- EUR due to this video and your comment, Martin. It seems that the MS-100BT is discontinued which would explain why all the effects of the iOS app are free now.

[@myblueextremes1526]

The last bit with the particle reverb sounds great! I have an MS70 CDR arriving tomorrow. Can't wait to run a synth through it! Oh and enjoyed your walk through of the settings.

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thanks for sharing!

[@myblueextremes1526]

Just listened to your Downhill Willows EP - Really like the Silhouette track. :-)

[@elliotdavidson7137]

great stuff! Like your chords in the other videos too. I have the supernatural verb and 70CDR. I can get a great shimmer on both but the 70CDR can do so much more especially through 4 combinations . I like the modulation offerings with addition of stereo reverb and delay. It's the kind of pedal that gets my creative 'spirit' flowing. It gives me ideas for songs. 🙈

[@5678hardcore]

The eq of your guitar is awesome bruh

[@williamsimpson5507]

How are you stopping the initial attack on the chords at 12:27? I tried copying your settings but it sounds and responds way differently. Is there a volume pedal or a wet/dry setting somewhere? EDIT: Never mind, I needed to set the "MIX" setting on the Particle Reverb to 100.

[@DoNoise]

This pedal is also great at emulating the Destroyer mode of Strymon Mobius. I made a video of it if anyone's curious.

[@moskva-kassiopeya]

That is exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you!

[@berlinshoegazer]

Makes me happy to hear that. Thanks for watching!

[@evanholden5619]

Love this channel

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you so much.

[@nolanwatkinson5510]

Great demo guys! Xx..

[@OutLawStargazer899]

I just bought this and a behringer super fuzz. Should be enough for my sorta JMAC ish sound I'm going for.

[@Simon-ww8pe]

i need this pedal right now

[@XmikesantosX]

Thank You Kenneth and Andy because you made this video i got one sounds good also has a mu-tron bi-phase and a boss ce-1 emulator awesome because those are very expensive and big pedals.

[@GingerChristmas]

Ever heard or tried a Digitech XP300 Space Station? It's got a bunch of ambient type sounds, and the XP400 Reverberator pedal from the same line also has reverse reverb!

[@jahmark9336]

Thanks dudes great vid, glad I stumbled onto your channel

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you Jah for letting us know. Welcome!

[@PadraicPlaugher]

I had a ms70cdr and couldn't get past what it did to my tone at the time. It did have some good sounds on it though. I remember that the mod reverb was good sounding in particular.

[@DannyJamesGuitar]

I love how stoned these 2 are haha. Great demo, thanks.

[@berlinshoegazer]

Hey Danny. We are just stoned by sound. Thanks for watching. :)

[@dijonstreak]

i LOVE this video !!...best demo yet !!..

[@deathpoem9479]

Welp. Thanks to you two I just bought one :D

[@JF-em6hr]

Just heard a good Octave Reverb on 60 cycle hum channel. I don't see Octave Reverb available, even the zoom effect manager.

[@jamesclarke293]

Additional question: I love those sounds you're producing from 12:16 onwards, fortunately you've described the effects you're using, but what kinds of chords and patterns are good for getting those kinds of sounds? It's wonderful, ethereal even. It's what made me decide to buy it.

[@yncasasue9721]

It sounds like lazy calm by the Cocteau Twins

[@wilfyhead]

Brilliant video, you should be employed by Zoom! It's everything I could hope for in one affordable pedal. Many thanks for your video.

[@StratBoss]

I have the ms50g. I got it for rehearsals / jamming and have used it for gigs. It has some really good sounds. As with most effects units, many are over the top or harsh but some are great. Switching between sounds is not easy for a live gig (especially when singing so time to tweak on the fly is limited) so I have a Boss GT100. More flexible but 4 times the price and so far I don't like the sounds as much as the zoom, eg RAT drive for breaking up sounds on overdrive. I love the particle echo setting on this video, as mentioned in one of the other commentsFor some of the shows I do, string sounds and brass sounds would be really useful - you mentioned asking if we had any queries / ideas - so there you go. Thanks for the video, also for the one on upgrading the firmware :)

[@tpeck111]

ZOOM has the best sounding guitar effects, period. They may be cheaply made and a pain to program or change settings on the fly, but when it comes to actual sound, they blow everyone else away.

[@taubenschlag5450]

Zu Weihnachten gewünscht und bekommen! Supergutes Ding für zuhause zum loopen Cheers Kenneth ;)

[@Rhababerschorle]

9:57 is it possible to get the „bass“ sound without the dry signal? So I can imitate a bass on my loops?

[@berlinshoegazer]

Hey man, sure! that is possible. Not sure if it will sound that great but you can try. Best octaver pedal I played in a band duo to imitate a bass is the Boss OC3.

[@Rhababerschorle]

SHOEGAZER I‘m quite short on budget so I think I go with the ms-70. thanks for the quick reply!

[@teknomanning]

So I bought a loomer and now the zoom comes along guess I gotta buy one to put behind the loomer

[@ryanjones8446]

I know this video is a few years old, but the little tune played at 12:28 onwards was made using the MS50 G correct?

[@berlinshoegazer]

That is absolutely correct!

[@ryanjones8446]

SHOEGAZER Thanks! Keep doing what you do

[@christianwilson9677]

I just purchased this pedal - loving it! Do you have any starter “shoegaze” patch recommendations??

[@tdrake59]

These are amazing.

[@newtonlkh]

After seeing the GATED REVERB thing, I just discovered that there are many effect types I haven't activated on my unit!

[@williambigger1545]

broke shoegazers are thankful. when i have some cash I'll get a giant pedal board with every little thing but for now this is great

[@hatchethank]

"Thousands of little trolls .. are laughing in my ears" - SHOEGAZER

[@tokenofdevotion]

What the fuck, those pedals sound ridiculously great

[@manecolooper]

Have both, and incredibly the zoom g1 on has the three last fx you showed, reverse delay , particle reverb and modulation for 50 dollars!

[@lolaa2200]

Did you know you can frenkeinshteine those pedals to include effect of both pedal into anyone of them ?

[@berlinshoegazer]

Yes. I made a video about that. I found out some months later.

[@TheSoundOfTheWorld]

Strymon-Killer

[@carlosteixeira4304]

Great. i have a ms50g but i couldn't find this reverse reverb in the reverb options. Do I need to update the system? Or are you accessing the effects of ms70cdr using ms50g because they are linked together?

[@berlinshoegazer]

You can download the MS50g Update 3.0 which shoeld have the reverse rever option. Or check out my video where I tried another effect manager called 1.1.0 in my video "I hacked my Zoom pedal.." Have fun!

[@auburnkit]

dude, being a broke college student working off of VST effects, this is great. Thanks guys!

[@doitnowvideosyeah5841]

As someone who was part of the original 'shoegaze' ( when we thought we were ripping off Sonic Youth and Dino Jr) we didn't have these. We did have digital reverbs and great vintage distortions and fuzz boxes. I I hated Zoom multi effects but this one is pretty cool.

[@88erru]

I use the CDR. Helps me a lot

[@upside-down6211]

Cheap pedal for reverb ? Behringer dr600 or zoom ms70cdr/ms50g or biyang tri reverb or tc electronic skysurfer ?

[@berlinshoegazer]

Hm.. I know that TC Electronic sounds amazing but the Zoom MS 70CDR has much more options to realise ideas.

[@dischorse]

fantastic video. didn't realize how versatile the pedal was until i came across this. On the zoom website it says you can use up to 6 effects at once. Can you use one effect multiple times in the "chain"? I'd really like to hear what multiple shimmer/reverse reverbs sound like stacked.

[@ousiavazia]

did you ever lay hands on the Acid Fuzz Sonic Boom pedal? i haven't even see one to sell in brasil...

[@berlinshoegazer]

It sounds super intersting. Would love to check it out.

[@jetjaguar72]

What's the difference between the 2? Also just got a Polara and feel I should've gotten this!

[@andrejsuliakovskij8128]

Robert Palacios the difference between the MS-70CDR and MS-50G is that the 50G contains drive, cab simulations and even some quirky sounds (mono synth!) as well as delay chorus and reverb. While, on the other hand, the MS-70CDR only has delay chorus and reverb, as well as some utility tools like eq, which is a bit more extensive than in the 50G. It's worth mentioning that 50G got some updated over the years and the latest one contains most of the effects of the 70CDR. Also as someone already mentioned, the 50G has mono IN and stereo OUT, while 70CDR has both stereo IN and OUT.

[@jetjaguar72]

Andrej Šuliakovskij thanks for the reply! Great info

[@tonepoet]

You can basically use the MS-50G straight to a board (or interface) and get great results due to the cab simulations. I've done a good bit of recording with it (together with TC Electronics Flashback and HOF). The 70CDR only has the time based effects (no cab simulation). The updated sounds to the MS-50G make it a better option in my opinion.

[@berlinshoegazer]

Thank you for this comment. Very helpful!

[@Iodine74]

With the v2.0 update for the 70CDR there is now a monosynth, as well as lots of other quirky things, lots of new filters, and several new comps. It's well worth the update.

[@jumpingman8160]

I have one ever since they came out. Here's my take on the pedal: 1 - *It has some pretty good stuff in it but it also has some bad ones* - most of the Reverbs, Delays and Chorus are great. Do they sound like the originals they try to emulate? Don't care [though the Boss emulations, some of the Eventide stuff and the EHX Small Clone is pretty spot on]. The problem is in the "extras". 2 - *The Extras are shitty overall* - the phaser, Pitch Shifters and flanger are very lackluster. The Flanger has that digital metallic thing to it that is damn annoying. Way too bright. The 4 and 8 voice Phaser sound pretty much identical to the Inverted 4 and 8 counterparts. The Pitch Shifters are glitchy and sound awful on the 1 octave down and 1 or 2 octave up range. The Vibe is shitty. The Rotator is bad. The Noise Surpressor works BUT from mid point onward is "all or nothing". 3 - *The "ok" Extras* - The Guitar and Bass EQs and the line selector are ok. They do their job quite well. The Dual Tremolo is also quite alright though you'll struggle to get a smooth volume up and down from it [it's more like a square wave than a triangle or sine wave in any of it's positions]. 4 - *It's either/or for the Tap Tempo and Tuner switching* - The major gripe I have with the CDR is the way the TAP Tempo and Tuner function. You can only have either one or the other engaged when you press the footswitch. This is not good for live use, unless you have a standalone Tuner already on your board. 5 - *The Tap Tempo is somewhat awkward* - It doesn't work for all the delays, only for those that have sub-divisions; also the tap tempo function is linked to the sub-divisions themselves. This means that if you set your delay for 320 in the CDR the Tap Tempo will not function. It will only function if you set the delay time to the sub-divisions [in the end of the delay time is where you will find them]. Live, this is not good either. Also, the Tap Tempo will not go bellow 40 BPMs for some reason. 6 - *Zoom had a great idea, but didn't think of it well* - This is one of those examples in which Zoom should have done the CDR the same way they did the G1on. A dual foot-switch with the ability to add an Expression Pedal into. The Tap Tempo and Tuner/change presets should be independent of each other. The way the CDR is, it needs pre-planning if you intend to use it live. Also, some of the FXs in the CDR demand an Expression Pedal to take full advantage of them. It would be so nice if they included an EXP IN. 7 - *It's a great Pedal for the effects you use in a fixed fashion or as a sporadic "extra flavor" to your overall sound* - Because the unit requires pre-planning, you end up either choosing those reverbs and chorus you usually use in a fixed way [like the barebones of your sound] or as a momentary spice. In either way it works like a charm. But due to it's own quirky design, you'll end up requiring other pedals to accompany it. It's a great unit overall and you can use it in a myriad of ways [I also use it to alter the living shit out of my drumpads] but it's low points become noticeable the more you use it. I do hope they release a new version of this pedal and strip it away of the useless stuff it has.

[@diegosepulveda4669]

you are the kind of people that make the world better

[@jumpingman8160]

That was so nice of you. I hope you have a great day.

[@facundob.f8606]

Can i ask you if the reverse reverb of the ms-70cdr has the same options that the ms-50? (Gated mode, tails mode)

[@jumpingman8160]

Facundo - Yes the effects imported to the MS-50 are the same as the MS70.

[@ryoichiwatanabe648]

it's an ancient sign of Hinduism that symbolizes "Goodness" in general, then comes the eccentric moustached asshole guy called shitler stole that symbol and corrupt the true meaning of it from them Hindus. Anyway, which pedal is the "newer" one? and great review!!

[@fraus333]

What is the setting ambient for 12:23? !!!

[@waltersmetak]

Yeap, quite up there - the MS 50G is Loveless in a box!

[@infiernoinfierno9659]

Amazing video. Is possible to make shoegaze with only one of these pedals or you need both?

[@berlinshoegazer]

You could only use one of them.