All Tomorrows vs Man After Man - Species, Story, and Artwork Showdown

[@thecosmic8248]

I have to say I prefer All Tomorrows in the fact that despite being transformed in unimaginable ways the future humans in all tomorrows are humanized in ways man after man never does, despite them technically looking more human. They watch tv, they enjoy books and music and enjoy life in all the ways we do. They are far more human then the beasts in man after man ever could be.

[@briannawarren4174]

I agree completely, many times sci-fi or fantasy portrays civilizations as homogeneous. But all tomorrow's has things like the picture used for the bug-facer civilization. Even though we heard they are a xenophobic people the author describes the picture shown as a female celebrity.

[@debil_7942]

@@briannawarren4174 I don't really get how these two facts contradict each other though.

[@debil_7942]

@@walbergverissimo2815 imo celebrities are bound to appear in any developed society in one form or the other. Who knows, maybe that bugfacer celebrity became famous because they were in charge of a concentration camp during the mentioned alien invasion. The second fact is completely neutral regarding their humanity.

[@samuelrodriguez9801]

Some are debatably even more human than we are in certain ways.

[@lenab4518]

@@walbergverissimo2815 what if the titans never went extinct?

[@greenghoul157]

I love how All Tomorrows makes you empathise with and humanize the post-human creatures in it even though they look nothing like us you can see the humanity in them, Man After Man feels like a fictional textbook while All Tomorrows feels like a personal account written by a future historian about the struggles and triumphs of humanity where despite no longer being recognisable they still feel human

[@dong7474]

I think it was, the final page was a photo of the author with a human skull iirc.

[@runic6452]

Its A remembrance of hope

[@exoticfanta]

Fr bro

[@blank8096]

For me, All Tomorrows is better. A bit of that reason is because visuals

[@ThoughtPotato]

I definitely agree that the art style is far superior in All Tomorrows. In Man After Man, it almost seems like the artist just shoe-horned in human aspects, whereas CM Koseman seems to have a great handle on anatomy, which allowed him to make much more intriguing adjustments. Or whatever

[@seamusfinnegan1164]

@@ThoughtPotato And the whole genetic modification lets them push it that extra mile

[@dylanlunsford9800]

@@ThoughtPotato yeah cm koseman is a really good speculative biologist. He did all today, all yesterday, and all tomorrows

[@nemrtvi4549]

agreed

[@autumngarcia7562]

I really prefer All Tomorrows artwork since they feel like old photographs, which makes sense since the timeline is a billion years, while Man after Man feels like just plain old art you'd find in any textbook.

[@ThoughtPotato]

100% agree with that. In my mind, it was 'the Author' of All Tomorrows who drew these pictures, but it's way more interesting to think that he was simply collecting and compiling ancient artwork. Love it!

[@Theonetrueerenyeager]

I disagree, they’re both amazing.

[@happyllama1160]

The advantage Man after Man has is the stories in it. Instead of being a straight up textbook, it’s a big collection of individual stories from throughout the timeline. We get to know the daily lives of individuals from each species and see important moments up close. I really enjoyed reading Man after Man far more than All Tomorrows but I do like the art more in All Tomorrows

[@gorbonfree8245]

i personally prefer All Tommorrows because of the stories of man overcoming the horrible rule of the qu and persevering despite the shit situation they're in.

[@thehoodlen]

@Fahd The King iirc some of the images in all tomorrows were described as photographs, so the author might be compiling many different types of ancient art while possibly drawing some as well

[@scottking8189]

Can’t believe I thought they were the same universe when I first found them both

[@ThoughtPotato]

That might not be the most far-fetched idea......

[@theultimatememelord5494]

Holy shit.....what if while All Tommorows was happening, Man after Man was happening on earth? EDIT: The builders could be a human colony that instead of hiding in hollow asteroids like the spacers, hid on a random planet where the Qu never found them.

[@yareulb2269]

@@theultimatememelord5494 What if they were alternate universes... What if the qu saved humanity from extinction by transforming them before they went extinct, like in man after man?

[@theultimatememelord5494]

@@yareulb2269 Interesting....

[@jimmytheshadowleviathan7243]

WHAT IF THE BUILDERS WERE THE ONES WHO INVADED THE BUG FACERS, AND THATS WHY THE BUG FACERS ARE XENOPHOBIC!

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

For what it's worth, Dougal Dixon hated Man After Man and how the project turned out - especially considering somebody other than him is responsible for the Wayne Barlowe Plagiarization. All Tomorrows feels more fulfilling, besides being more feasible and more vastly creative.

[@hyperion3145]

Apparently he originally wanted it to be a time travel story

[@digstrememcdingus1463]

@@hyperion3145 To be more accurate, it was to be a story about people travelling to the future to restart society, causing all the animals to go extinct

[@plumenommershpadoinkle7575]

@@hyperion3145 yeah his plan was for present humans to appear & interact with their descendants. The final product was a result of meddling from others

[@ArnLPs]

@@plumenommershpadoinkle7575 source? I would really like to read more about that lost version and Dougals hatred for his own work here.

[@arielhyla]

@@plumenommershpadoinkle7575 man that wouldve been much existentially cooler

[@ausar4148]

When I saw the thumbnail, I thought this was gonna be like a versus battle of which species would body each other in a fight, I am both slightly disappointed yet happy that it’s a proper analysis and comparison of these two works.

[@ThoughtPotato]

I certainly didn't intend to mislead anyone, but I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it!

[@aruantinobre522]

I preffer all tomorrow's because it's story I more easier to follow and I also like it more because there's humanity to the creatures like the pterosapien photo before I tougth they just where strange creatures but after reading that she's posing for an photo on her vacation it makes me fell good for them and makes me relate whit them even if they look so Alien, also the aliens look coller but that's just my opinion.

[@ThoughtPotato]

I agree! That picture made me so happy for that person, with her once-in-a-lifetime vacation :)

[@adamtaurus7840]

Oh and the fucking MURDER CHICKENS *YEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH*

[@arlenedistel1108]

@@adamtaurus7840 WOOOOOO

[@Tom-id7zr]

Wow that was painful

[@aruantinobre522]

@@Tom-id7zr I'm so sorry an 14 year old Brazilian can't speak fluent English perfectly😢

[@alabjavilagon5034]

Man after man's artwork is kinda like an old science school book All tomorrows's artwork is like an old piece of information from the starwars prequel

[@Wcrqdrift]

Tbh that sort of why I like man after man's styling. It feels like I'm actually learning about animals in a school text book

[@trolledfrog678]

@@Wcrqdrift same here

[@cartoonchannel7626]

My favorite way to explain All Tomorrows vs Man after man's artwork is reconstruction vs cave drawing Man after man looks more realistic and better texturing but feels basic All Tomorrows looks like a sketch, but feels special since it looks like an ancient artifact instead of just a drawing

[@spacechimp9823]

Really blows my mind how popular all the speculative evolution stuff is becoming. I remember being thought a weirdo for reading things like Man after Man, the Future is Wild, etc...funny how things change

[@toadmaster6883]

Yeah dude same, I remember watching Trey the explainer videos and making my own lizard animal

[@david2869]

I've been doing things like this for a very long time. I remember reading Dougal Dixon's After Man that looks at Earth in 50 million years from now. I categorized all of the animals in After Man as a thought exercise while I was flying in an airplane.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

I mean, you’d still be weird today but the community is much larger and better connected than it used to be.

[@zalybrainlessgenius503]

I thought I was a weirdo till one day I woke up and saw "All Tommorows ranked by their sexiness" and now I'm ashamed of even openly admitting I'm into speculative zoology 😂

[@theenigmaencoder92]

"Hard to put my finger on it" >Has a picture of the Finger Fishers on screen. I see what you did there.

[@ThoughtPotato]

haha 😏

[@nithilsda]

3:40

[@sharriux4379]

Honestly the swimmers noses don’t seem as uncanny as they should be because we already have fish that look like that. The goblin shark and unicorn fish already have nose-like structures on their faces and look a lot like them. The goblin shark especially because of its mouth shape too.

[@walrusArmageddon]

Goblin sharks can fuck right off, tho. At a certain depth, everything in the ocean becomes ghoulish

[@tartagliathe11th33]

@@walrusArmageddon FR. I am not sure if my mind can mentally handle fact that we still don't know 80% of our ocean.

[@walmartbag5698]

@@tartagliathe11th33Ikr, the deeper u go down in the ocean the weirder the mfs you'll find

[@Sinappisoppa482]

@@tartagliathe11th33 We have been to 20% of our oceans and we know 98% of our oceans nearly all of it is empty space with nothing for us to go and see but we know all of the species that live there even if noone physically swam there and looked at it

[@ooferine504]

In all honestly All Tomorrows artwork is more creative and enjoyable because you dont get the overwhelming urge to say "monke" when looking at them

[@LarsTonguesInAspix]

Monke

[@thunders2393]

@@LarsTonguesInAspix ???

[@iottttt]

​@@thunders2393 monke

[@AErch]

Monke

[@aurora_sleeping_beauty_]

@@thunders2393monke

[@hoopsonwheels]

I prefer all tomorrows the art work really feels like it’s someone looking back into the at the past with its artwork kind of like old photos of bygone species. When it comes to the stories all tomorrows really nails home the endurance of humanity even through very unpleasant and horrific circumstances. Also the author of all tomorrows really makes you empathize with the species of all tomorrows they give them very real traits like the snake people where one snake person is reading a book a very normal thing to do, the pterosapians with the photo of a female on vacation, the symbiote that goes to work and likes to enjoy olfactory television after. Really does nail home how human the creatures were in the book.

[@kavky]

Smell-o-vision?

[@SlenderTroll]

Note the big “crack” the titans have over their portrait- indicating the tragedy they ultimately succumbed to being one of the most aesthetic species in the book.

[@mollusk1207]

Man after man is pretty cool, but to be honest, I like all tomorrows more

[@thefloatinggrandma8480]

Ditto

[@watergrey4010]

Ditto X2

[@ThoughtPotato]

**sweats in objectivity**

[@ManFromthericefields]

*laughts in Asteromorph

[@ericboom1712]

@@thefloatinggrandma8480 it's you!

[@Daleksaresupreme1]

You Should look into Last and First men by Olaf Stapledon. It covers similar themes to All tomorrows and Man after Man but predates them by a lot, published in 1932.

[@ThoughtPotato]

I'm going to check that out right now. Thanks!

[@joangordoneieio]

looks terrific! TY!

[@abstractgrant]

Very much a spiritual ancestor of both!

[@MrManueldx]

Catboys S tier

[@jesses1066]

Don't forget Star Maker ,it's also by olaf Stapledon and has an even grander scope than last and first men

[@1fishmob]

All Tomorrows is a book that tells you no matter what happens, look forward to tomorrow, because that may be the day you change it for the better. Man After Man is a a book that tells you nothing matters and that your existence and the existence of everything else is completely pointless. On a side note, I also once heard the author of Man After Man actually really hated the book he made.

[@troin3925]

Man After Man also goes on about technology and just general modern ways of living has allowed humanity to "defy nature" and avoid natural selection, and how mother nature would eventually destroy technology and bring nature back. It was also very cynical towards humanity of a species. I once saw a comment calling the book "eco-fascist" and yeah it pretty much is, along with the "humans suck" themes.

[@djriqky9581]

​I could see why my word. "Defying human nature" and "there is no hope anyway, this is the best we have, even though that doesn't matter"​. Sounds so fascist and hopeless. Portraying morality and meaning as going against nature never made sense to me@@troin3925

[@pcvrisepic]

how did you get that impression from the book lmao

[@1fishmob]

@@pcvrisepic Because the author, in universe, only primarily speaks about the positive traits and impacts humanity left on the galaxy; The Satyriacs and pterosaur people appreciate and enjoy every minute of life, every post human race unites for a common cause, the Asteromorphs are able to reach a point in their history where they are able to make peaceful contact with another race without war, and conflict. And the star people show that even after years of conflict, reuniting with each other is possible.

[@AverageZardySimp]

@@1fishmobi dont think we are supposed to look after for tomorrow, isnt the last line like “love today, and seize all tomorrows”

[@runnininthe80s84]

The aquatics look like you just walked in on them doing something they are terribly ashamed of

[@ThoughtPotato]

Haha that's exactly it

[@elias-vh9ky]

@@ThoughtPotato hi

[@taterinx]

All Tomorrow's is my personal winner purely for the extremes: Long time frame, horrific evolutions, horrific means of evolution, strong characterisations. It's just an overall more intense, creative yet absurd read

[@ThoughtPotato]

I think you nailed that assessment. It really just comes down to personal preference!

[@tylerbeans7096]

One of the most important things the artwork in All Tomorrows conveys is just how human that these genetically modified things look. There is a sharp contrast between the genetic meddling that the Qu performed and the natural evolution that followed. Look at the swimmers vs the tool breeders. Swimmers have very human eyes, noses, and even have remnants of feet, fingers, toes, and knees. Whereas the tool breeders look decidedly more dolphin and their noses have been replaced with a blowhole. The artist did a fantastic job.

[@SkullW1zard7]

My problem with Man after Man is that most of the species presented there are very animalistic, being almost non-human in nearly every way except for a few minor similarities (mainly the uncanny faces). They resemble apes more than humans which is the problem… they aren’t Man. Humans create art, have cultures, make and build things, and have languages. Only a few post-humans, like the Hi-Tek and Tik (and a few others I haven’t mentioned), are shown to have art and presumably at least some these things, but nearly every other creature does not. They aren’t humans by our definition, they are just animals. They don’t ever regain there sentience or humanity back like the future humans (except the lizard herders and mantelopes, both lost there intelligence) in All Tomorrows and remain animals for the rest of the book.

[@toprak3479]

Mantelopes didn't lose their intelligence. They lost all mechanical ability to do anything with their intelligence (speak, create art etc.) and lived agonizing lives. Lizard Herders, Hedonists + Satyriacs, Cave Dwellers and Prey did.

[@brutusthebear9050]

@@toprak3479 The Mantelopes eventually lost their sapience after a long time.

[@lukevankleef4245]

I'm not sure. On the one hand, I like that Man after Man is more detailed, and I enjoy the stories of some of the more intelligent creatures. But on the other hand, I think the All Tomorrows art work is better, and I also like that despite being only a few pages shorter, its a lot less dense than Man after Man, making it a lighter read you can get trough in an afternoon. Not that I think ''Short good, long bad'' but Man after Man can get a little tiring to read, especially since the introduction is already rather long winded, and covers info that most people that are into speculative evolution would already know.

[@meap6474]

I personally prefer All Tomorrows in every aspect. The story, art, creatures, and overall message I find much more interesting

[@TheoJay615]

Personally, I like all tomorrow's more because it's more fantastical and feels like a space opera. Man after man however feels like a look at how evolution feels niches. Both books fill a different purpose but I do love their similarities.

[@little_isalina]

Id give the parasites from All Tomorrows the win, because theyre better adapted to being attached to another creature, with their suction cup digits its easier to hold on and their faces are shaped in tusch a way that they an keep their mouth biting into the host flesh while the eyes and nose are still free to see and breather. The Man After Man parasites make you wonder if they have to keep stopping to take a breath or do they just suffocate with their faces buried in the host's flabs.

[@ThoughtPotato]

My apologies if anyone got a notification for this video yesterday. I accidentally set this video as a "Premiere" for today, though I was still working on it. I BEG YOUR FORGIVENESS!

[@ThoughtPotato]

@@jevilcatfan123 Thanks, my guy

[@XJ7441]

There is no problem bro

[@exarcm9181]

If anything it was cool to wait for the premiere lol

[@imaredwhale2thenotsoelectr916]

I forgive you

[@burro2185]

I forgive you

[@saulgoodmanKAZAKH]

Reading 'All Tomorrows' can be both "Ah, yeah, this makes sense." and "Oh, damn." But 'Man after Man' can only be "Oh, damn."

[@AxeltheKing1000]

The humans brain is were dark and crazy.

[@ThoughtPotato]

Well said.

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

Apparently, what would eventually become Man After Man started off as two completely different projects. On one hand, Dougal Dixon approached his previous books publisher's pursuing a sequel of After Man where humanity made it back to earth 50 Million Years hence, interacting with the After Man's fauna and eventually leading to the extinction of many of them. On the other hand, Wayne Barlowe, who you may know as the artist and author behind Expedition's, Guide to Extraterrestrials, Barlowe's Inferno and creature designer in the og Pacific Rim, started working in the 80's in a project called "Future Man", which, as its title suggests, was dedicated to future speculative human evolution since the start and whose artwork and concept was "apparently" presented to the very same publisher. Hijinks ensued and Barlowe's project fell through, which resulted in the publisher "suggesting" to Dougal Dixon to change his original vision for MAM and insted dragged him into the "Future Man" project, retooling Man After Man as a book about posthumans against his own whishes, although he still went through to secure his paycheck. I suspect that the overall pessimistic and nihilistic outlook of Dougal Dixon may had been more due to him having to work in a different project to what he envisioned and kind off half-assing it, he even refered to it as a "disaster project" in a recent interview with Darren Naish. As for Barlowe he seemed to be pretty resentful about the whole incident, in his book The Art of Wayne Barlowe he captioned some sketches for the Future Man project as follows: "These sketches are from a book I proposed in 1984, about the future evolution of mankind. Unfortunately, it's a book that will never be created, since the sketches were plagiarized and used by another author". Given that the Dougal Dixon was basically dragged into the reworked MAM, I doubt he is to blame and found more likely that the publisher or artists behind Dixon's trilogy where the ones who decided to plagiarize the concept art, but regardless it was a pretty big mess and I'm dissappointed that we never got to see the original concepts realised.

[@ThoughtPotato]

I'm pinning this for now because that is some fantastic backstory. Thanks for sharing!

[@thedisturbedpreist]

@@ThoughtPotato look at the thumbs on the mantelope tho 🤮

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

@@thedisturbedpreist What's wrong with elbow thumbs?

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Wayne Barlowe was involved?! Aweeee my boys been done dirty,

[@troin3925]

The original project _did_ eventually come to fruition in the form of GreenWorld, which has yet to have an american release.

[@thelotlaxo538]

It's kinda scary how both of these books about the future of humanity include a Powerful alien race that changes the evolution of humans to suit their pleasure

[@levihague1483]

Well all tomorrows has the Qu which genetically modify the star people but in man after man normal humans genetically modify other humans to do their bidding

[@steveoj_]

Just explains how powerful an intelligent extraterrestrial specie can be, they probably would see us as mere ants.

[@walrusArmageddon]

Maybe thats how wolves view humans when they look at french bulldogs

[@saulgoodmanKAZAKH]

In real life, Humans are the Qu and the flora and fauna is the star people

[@amitasrivastava493]

@UCG1fs5abvZXwVALfSDgZKGw last time i checked, no one turned anything into a flesh carpet that's forced to eat shit

[@thebardbardelli6515]

It's somewhat ironic that Man After Man feels too mechanical and unfeeling even when considering that the book is an anthropology study written by highly advanced humans whilst All Tomorrows, written by an alien simply known as Author, is so human. I love how there has been this incredible explosion of life and interest in A.T. because for as scientifically out there it is, it invokes the Human Condition no matter how different or distant our species is. Whilst I started with the infamous "Season's Greetings" meme I have ended with tears in my eyes as Author holds aloft an ancient human skull and demands we seize All Tomorrows and make our world as kind as we may; just as those descendants of apes did billions of years ago.

[@imstupid880]

I actually feel the complete opposite in the "overall outlook" section. All Tomorrows has a detached tone to it, as it's from the perspective of an author of a different species stumbling across a long-dead species, pondering what they could've achieved and then deciding against going into more detail. It feels extremely anticlimactic. Man After Man, however, ends on a hopeful note: despite the Earth's environment being destroyed again, and most all life being wiped out, there's still a aquatic species surviving at the depths of the ocean, perhaps to surface one day again. That being said, overall I do prefer All Tomorrows to Man After Man. As you say it feels more science fiction, as it takes a very specific scenario arrived at arbitrarily and then follows the journey of what happens after. In a way it almost feels more grounded because if that, due to suspension of disbelief. Man After Man, however, takes itself entirely seriously and then fills itself with ridiculous claims and leaps of logic that make it really hard to take seriously.

[@ThoughtPotato]

You made some very good points here. Especially in how seriously MAM takes itself--the tone almost clashes with the artwork, which is _very_ hard to take seriously. But then, given the issues the author had with publication, I suppose that makes sense

[@imstupid880]

@@ThoughtPotato I personally find the art style of MAM to be reminescent of the budget paleoart you'd find in school textbooks, which would occasionally be pretty derpy. As you pointed out, the colors and posing make them feel like sketches of still life. I think it was just unfortunate that the actual designs themselves look rather silly, and perspectives are sometimes off, which is what leads to the sense it's not very serious. I will say that the art isn't as clean as it is in After Man, though.

[@rainsnowfall220]

If i remember correctly, all tomorrows is written by an alien that mildly looks rabbit like

[@darci1456]

All tomorrow's is super awesome and I love the memes, but I will always appreciate the "season's greason's" meme from man after man.

[@PersonalZombie]

I like All Tomorrows a lot more because of its so much more hopeful. The creature design is excellent in both but there's already too much nihilism in the world.

[@Theonetrueerenyeager]

Finally, someone made a comparison! They’re both fantastic books and are really starting to take off across the internet!

[@MyDadJustLeftMeXD]

Go back to mass genocide

[@Theonetrueerenyeager]

@@MyDadJustLeftMeXD Of course, but you better run and hide!

[@danilolopez9203]

Asteromorphs are the best ones for me :D if all tomorrows humans were yugioh cards I would built the asteromorph deck xD

[@ThoughtPotato]

I, for one, believe in the heart of those cards

[@danilolopez9203]

@@ThoughtPotato me as well :)

[@dallanledford6364]

Astromorphs are like the Psychic types during Gen 1, OP.

[@rustleancar131]

aww hell no they put the asteromorph engine on the ban list. can't have anything in the satellite

[@ezrastardust3124]

Man After Man describes perfectly how I felt when struggling with suicidal ideation, All Tomorrows is what saved me and sums up my outlook on life nowadays

[@anitamihholap5926]

Who else likes Nemo Ramjet art more, even though it's not in full color?

[@hondaaccord1399]

To be fair, most of the Man After Mans were just browns, creams, and muted reds.

[@taploon9592]

"Actually,Nemo Ramjet is the name of the author inside the all tommorrows universe.The real authors name is Cevdet Mehmet Köseman (C.M Koseman)" ☝️🤓

[@Ness_Dreemurr]

All tomorrows has my favor over man after man. It gets a lot more creative with it's creature design and isn't as depressing as man after man (to me at least) I feel like all tomorrows has a happier ending and I agree with another comment saying that they feel more human than the post human species of man after man despite looking almost completely alien. All in all in prefer all tomorrows.

[@khepri5955]

Very good video ! I was waiting on a comparison video about Man after man and All Tomorrows because the books are so different on the way they presents their stories and the way evolution changes the species, and I must say you did a great job !

[@ThoughtPotato]

I really, really appreciate that. They're pretty different, but comparing them was surprisingly fun!

[@jahmirwhite7807]

20:10 Actually, the Boat People are an subspecies of the Memory People not descendants of the Islanders (despite the fact that they share the same common ancestor).

[@cristinapopa2904]

Very cool video

[@RocRolDis]

For speculative evolution, I like Man After Man. For a story, though, I like All Tomarrows more.

[@AxeltheKing1000]

What if the take places In the same timeline?

[@deepseaking1506]

This video is very well put together! For your next tier list or sometime in the future could you cover the hooligan virus mutations from DAYS GONE, I think there could be a lot to look into such as freakers, freaker nests, and hordes. I think this would blend pretty well with your evolution channel focus! Have a great rest of your day!

[@ThoughtPotato]

Thank you so much! That's a very intriguing concept--I'll check it out! And YOU have a great day

[@EL-ISS]

Man after Man is akin to something I'd find in a library. It reads like an educational bio textbook. All Tomorrows is something I'd find as a Space Adventurer. Learning of long gone species and their near mythological plights. I like All Tomorrows more, it gives me more wonder and fear for what's out there. I still really like Man after Man, and to be honest I don't usually compare the two despite their similarites. One thing I absolutely love about Man after Man: The fact that the ancient space faring humans came back to earth not even knowing it was their original homeland since they'd been gone for such a long time. It's a very interesting take.

[@dionysus6892]

With Dixon's background and huge volume of work, it's for sure that Man After Man is meant to be like a biology textbook for the future development of man. But All Tomorrows seems to me like it meant to be a history book written so long after the fact a lot is left to speculation. Both are super interesting but Man After Man seemed to go with a more scientific approach and All Tomorrows went with a historical analysis approach.

[@TheRunningLeopard]

All Tommorrows is also explicitly anti-fascist, as told by C.M. Koseman in a comment under a video documentary on the book. Which honestly, is something we really need rn in the "western" world. Like, damn, I was thinking that the maker of the video was stretching it at first glance but after re-reading the book with the outlook, I certainly can see what Koseman was getting at.

[@skitstheskitty2787]

Gonna contrast this with Man After Man's Hitek, which explicitly says in the text that "due to people with deformities and other disabled people not dying out, the hitek are reliant on their mechanical vessels to survive". this also might include inbreeding, but i find it kinda tasteless to compare the fucked up power structures of incest and bigotry that often comes with it to disabled people existing. not only is this an incredibly reductive take in genetics, as just because abnormal genes aren't getting weeded out, that doesn't mean they'll fucking dominate the genetic pool. 300 years is also far too soon for this to happen as well. this creative decision in the hitek frankly reads as ableist to me and can easily be interpreted in support of eugenics

[@ThoughtPotato]

This is why KZbin is so great. I might not have ever realized these connections before! Fascinating stuff.

[@justdamon25]

@@gircakes mostly because politics here in america are so militarized that if you identify as being left or right than your a POS for X,Y, and Z reasons.

[@hoopsonwheels]

You’re right, in man after man there seems to be some sort of pro eugenics stance in the bit about the hiteks which was really weird

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@hoopsonwheels aren’t the star people in all tomorrows created through eugenics though?

[@anhthai7005]

I honestly i don’t think that all tomorrow species aren’t that creepy. Im a lot more disturbed by man after man humans (oh yeah also i think the insectorfages face looks cool af for some reason) also GODAMN the plain dwellers are badass as hell

[@kazagami966]

I'm neither an average Man After Man fan nor an average All Tomorrow's enjoyer, I'm a sigma appreciator of both. Also I would love to see a fanart of the Gravital and Jimez Smoot's descendant together, just hanging out and genetically modifying their post human cousins to their amusement

[@veterayt6800]

Man after man's visuals look like an encyclopedia I would find in the library And all tommorows looks like a lunatic's sketch book I like all tommorows better

[@ThoughtPotato]

Lunatic's Sketchbook would be a great name for a band

[@thesaltysnail1943]

I can’t choose. Both are good. The old photography looking art of All Tomorrows and the charming textbook looking art of Man after Man. Is good and I love

[@secretsniffthecheeseslice5295]

the species in man after man looks like something i would dream about

[@theunitedcommonwealth715]

Imagine The Quo finding these creatures on Earth in Man After Man ( lets just say all off them are living on it in city's or outland like forests etc ) what would they turn them into oh that sounds like a cool video to do :) Respect and keep up the awesome work.

[@bukva28]

The Qu: "Wtf did you to yourself?! We are still gonna to do bioengineering stuff to you but you also shocked us"

[@saulgoodmanKAZAKH]

The Qu: 'Are we the good guys now?'

[@knines6279]

2:44 I feel like all tomorrows looks at the story as if detailing a history book. A basic idea of everything that happened, with some stuff being unknown. Man after man, however, is more a documentary like you said.

[@filenotfound.975]

When I got into all tomorrows I always thought the book was just like a rewritten diary of paleontology log of the (alien)author since the actual pictures in the book look almost like it was taken by a camera and I think who took the photo were the gravitals right before ending the species or the advanced evolved post humans and then when the human species were extinct the author wanted to find out what wiped out the human race so he went to some of the planets of the post humans and even the martians and the author found some remains of pictures and some of the evolved martians and evolved post humans so, they just took a guess from what the non evolved post humans(like the striders or temptors)from their location and anatomy that they've found and the authors sort of tried to copy the pictures or try to redraw them and try to draw the non evolved post humans depending on what they think the qu would've done and the remains then when the author died(I don't know if the author is immortal or not I'll say they are not)some of the alien species or the species of the author were probably fascinated by the authors work so they tried to rewrite his(I don't know the authors gender so I'll call them a he) his logs and diaries also some of the pictures in all tomorrows (like the titans) looked something like broken of glass or like ripped and dirty paper and I'm sorry I didn't talk about man after man I just think all tomorrows is more theorizable about and more interesting

[@SomeGuyOnYT]

Honestly I think I like all tomorrow’s art better it’s much more interesting and the explanations feel a little better in my opinion

[@Lionwoman]

I'm so glad that there has been a boom in this kind of content. I've find speculative evoluiton quite fascinating.

[@oatpope]

I prefer man after man's story and artwork, but all tomorrow's has way more interesting species (in most cases). I love both stories and I can't decide which I like more.

[@runic6452]

All tomorrows have this vibe that is like, oh shit. And then some time after be like holy crap that does make sense dude. I haven't read man after man but based on this analysis, the artwork is pretty star wars like (if you can compare those). I also noticed how all tomorrows is uncannily amazing, its like its not drawings but actual photographs

[@vger4781]

One thing I always find funny about All Tomorrows: No matter how much future humans have changed, most of them still have armpit hair, even though the Star People that were their ancestors were bald.

[@yanfei7782]

I'm amazed the ant men didnt scare away the ants when their dummy thick cheeks started clapping.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

16:36 bah! finger fisher and the sail people are probably my favorite all tomorrow lineage thats a shame.20:42 MY BOY MADE A COME BACK!

[@Avaloran]

It might be a bit pedantic, but you really shouldn't make a distinction between primate intelligence and human intelligence. We are primates.

[@davidmaynard9319]

I thought this came out sooner I swear I saw its notification last night.....I'm losing my mind.

[@ThoughtPotato]

Don't worry! I accidentally set this as a premiere, and didn't realize this sends notifications for certain people. I'm sorry about that!

[@davidmaynard9319]

@@ThoughtPotato lol no worrys. I just kinda had a brainfart besides that I love the vids keep em coming😁🤙

[@ben-ty9jo]

I was traveling today so I couldn't watch this when it dropped, but imma stream it on the big flat screen TV in the AirBnB im staying in later!

[@annika8674]

17:51 damn, as a former equestrian I had no idea I was telepathically communicating with my horses lol! I thought I was using physical touch via reins, halters, and leg/seat pressure.

[@ben-ty9jo]

Good video as always my man. I'd be interested to see you start covering different topics!

[@ThoughtPotato]

Thanks so much. I definitely want to branch out! The question is: where first?! Lol. PS: Hope you're liking your AirBNB!

[@heath8358]

All tomorrows all the way for me from the premise, plot, art, and the overall message of the book. But I think what I love about it, is how it wasn't even a 'published' work, it was just a random story floating on the internet. Kinda charming

[@joeshmoe6930]

The artwork of All Tomorrows reminds me of drawings from the 17 through mid to late 1800's of sailors and other explorers either trying to make sense of creatures they saw or drawing creatures from an eye-witness account.

[@mikawishaupt1125]

I like how the spacers transform into something like the qu

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

While I do appreciate the ground work man after man laid, all tomarrows is just better in every way, pretty much. Others have brought up the humanity found in the humans, or the actually believable evolution many go through, so I'll instead mention how the Qu solve MAM's biggest issue; the "why". In MAM, the excuse that they used humans because they had nothing else was... Weak, at best, and the way the old humans came back and bleakly wiped out everything was also kinda just hard to really get into the reasoning of. In All tomorrows, however, humanity only majorly genetically modified themselves once, sent them out the stars, and prospered for generations (at the expense of the local ecosystems, but still). And then the Qu, an alien religious cult with a billion year head start in technology, bent on genetically modifying everything and being the only ones "allowed" to do it, show up, and take offence to humanity's gene editing. Partially as punishment and partially as religious worship, they then turn humanity into their new "pet project". This solves the "Why" question so easily, while keeping the reader engaged; a mad alien cult making abominations for religious and scientific purposes is way more believable then humans breeding anthropomorphic giant AC units, and ironically, the Qu we're more humanized as well. Between their religious fervor, their love of the arts, the need to have pets, and the wrath they inflicted upon the colonials for daring to be more then a speed bump, the Qu showed a lot of very human emotions and reactions, that the "old humans" in MAM just lacked, making them very compelling Villians and characters in comparison. I will always appreciate Man after Man for it's legacy and impact (HAPPY HOLIDAYS), but there's a reason speculative bio-engineering only took off when a large enough creator finally shown a light on All tomarrows. TL;Dr Man after Man walked so All Tomarrows could run.

[@itzdatloser7598]

I'd really would like to see a crossover of them

[@AxeltheKing1000]

What if that is in the same world?

[@DigGil3]

I think the Tic are comparable to the modular people.

[@ThoughtPotato]

Interesting! I hadn't thought of it that way ...

[@polinori3582]

Your editing skill improved alot I just wanna say 👀

[@ydr0078]

Gravitals should have been compared to the New Humans, both biologically destroyed a planet (gravitals did more tho) and redesigned many human species.

[@Janoha17]

The Gravitals only modified one other species, the Bug-Facers, who they modified in a similar manner to the Qu with the Star People (before they made the mistake of provoking the Asteromorphs, who turned the tables on them and would go on to finally defeat the Qu)

[@ydr0078]

@@Janoha17 So you agree? They both have body morphing powers?

[@ydr0078]

Im going off based on power capability and design not based on story.

[@Janoha17]

@@ydr0078 They were definitely the second or third most powerful civilization in the Milky Way at the time. (Right after the Qu and Asteromorphs.

[@ydr0078]

@@Janoha17 i know the story my guy.

[@grey3247]

> Talks about past videos > Videos are unlisted

[@thatonepolishguy3773]

I think both of these are good, they just take different approaches. As he noticed, Man after Man seems more like a documentary or a text book (complete with the awkward pictures) while All Tomorrows is more like a tale.

[@CaptainHaHaa]

I really enjoyed your breakdown of both Books. Thanks Thought Potato this was very enjoyable to watch to while stuck in lockdown. I love both publications so much I could never choose just one. I hope you have a good one mate

[@ThoughtPotato]

That's very nice of you to say. I hope you have a good one, too!

[@whackquack3973]

Man after man gives off a 2011 library book vibe but all tomorrows seems like a precise ancient drawing in a cave

[@zedantXiang]

As much as I admire your ability to gather information. In this specific video I admire your ability to not piss off anyone.

[@MegaTang1234]

Man after man is the weakest book in the trilogy of the "After man" series. I think it would be more Fair to use the creatures from the first 2 books.

[@ThoughtPotato]

I'll tell you this, my friend: their time will come

[@aarcade6676]

Man after man is too concerned about being serious. All tomorrows is strange, horrific, dark, but hopeful, and and occasionally funny. Like real life.

[@ThoughtPotato]

That's a great assessment. I totally agree!

[@QuartzRoolz]

Aight, time to be contrarian: I prefer Man after man (and the related book by the same author, "after man") because they read like a genuine look into the future of human evolution. The Qu from all tomorrow turn me off as it means most of the creatures we see in book evolved naturally within context, which feels like a lazy excuse for body horror, where as After man and Man After man take A genuine look at future Evolution and try to predict what our descendants *could* look like.

[@blackthornbark]

exactly my thoughts! i am kinda annoyed at all tomorrows from the perspective of a biologist, but i must excuse it all because "they're designed by some space bug, not really evolved", while man after man is just... interesting. and i love the style likw from the vintage animal illustrated books

[@lordgrunwalder1607]

Thats the storry of the book… but you know also some humans in man after man is genetically engineered. Right? Actualy most of them. While all tomorrows show how species evolved after qu.

[@QuartzRoolz]

@@lordgrunwalder1607 you see that's the problem: all tomorrow's is a story. I should be clear, after man is way stronger than man after man, but the main point is that its a genuine look at future evolution rather than a story. It's speculative science, not a sci-fi novel.

[@brutusthebear9050]

I disagree. With All Tomorrows, I'm able to suspend my disbelief far more than Man after Man. Man after Man has way more of a scientific undertone, which harms it as the species are far too specialized to be realistic, especially considering that these are the descendants of humans. It's just not realistic as far as speculative biology goes. In All Tomorrows, the Speculative Biology is for these grotesque monster creatures. And over time they become more human, not less human. This is far more realistic, especially in terms of millions of years.

[@shaunnolan9272]

This channel is gold definitely deserves way more subs keep up the good work dude

[@ThoughtPotato]

Thank you my friend. I appreciate that!

[@TexasRy]

Love the style and presentation, great video, thanks!

[@Lightman0359]

The artwork from All Tomorrows has a TSR era AD&D art feel, specifically the Planescape setting

[@dragonsbanecannibal9378]

I Have A Vey Intresting Concept About These Two, And That They Take Place In The Same Universe: All Tomorrows Following The Martians, While Man After Man Follows Those Who Remained On Earth

[@OVREZ]

14:25 that sound scared me so fucking much

[@ThoughtPotato]

I am so sorry

[@ryanmaclean1720]

I personally prefer all tomorrows as I see it as far more hopeful for the fate of man and quite a bit more creative with the art work

[@yqbzrxs]

Yeah, i think that All Tomorrows looks like it could've been drawn on cave walls by an early human while Man After Man almost looks like a picture

[@Synthose1]

I feel like you forgot to mention that the Aquatics were the sole surviving species of Jimez Smoot’s descendants. They survived in the deep sea

[@loganchase8137]

Most people seem to be of the opinion they prefer All tomorrow. But the cheapest copy of man after man I could find ran for 300 plus dollars on Amazon, so it would really surprise me if people had actually read it. Yes the dates are implausible, but the stories are amazing, and without this specific work, I don't think Kosemen would ever have written All Tomorrows, some of the similarities are undeniable. Kosemen's work was designed for an online world with no physical copies ever being printed, however, Dixon's book is a surreal take on encyclopedias of the 90's and before, and in my opinion cannot be judged without having read a physical copy. Yes, Dixon believed the book to be a mess, but, many of the concepts are amazing, and laid the foundations for more or less all future posthuman works

[@ymura-wy6hq]

I deadass used to think Man after Man was a sequel to All Tomorrows when I first went down this rabbit hole

[@johnmonty7077]

Both fantastic and I am glad I exist in a time where I got to enjoy both :D

[@b00shy68]

all tomorrows is just really great and i loved seeing the regular activities they did and also it’s just a cooler name. also man after man doesn’t have floating space fart people.

[@lukevankleef4245]

Also, what about Qu vs Jimmez Smoot's descendants?

[@Intheknow12]

The Mantelope is pure existential dread…its like living in I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream and everyone you know is existing exactly the same…😶

[@fecklessowo7002]

The thumbnail makes it look like they are having one heck of a screaming match to a very loud argument, lol.

[@kingsilverwing1854]

Imagine waking up and having a face that looks like the aquatics

[@hondaaccord1399]

Can't believe you didn't compare the villains

[@ThoughtPotato]

Soooo my reasoning at the time was that they were too different to compare. While the Builders and Qu do fall into the same "genetic manipulator" category, one acted as the catalyst for all the future evolutions (All Tomorrows), while the other just modified them as tools (Man After Man). In retrospect, though, that "genetic manipulator" category was probably enough to go on. Dang it.

[@hondaaccord1399]

@@ThoughtPotato Yeah. But that's okay!