Allen Parr's Concerns about Seventh Day Adventists

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[@laurapatel5249]

I was a 6th generation SDA and officially had my name taken off the membership books in 2021. Since that time, I have felt God’s grace and more of the Holy Spirit's presence in my life as I am studying the Bible for myself from beginning to end. Beware of any church that tells you they are the ones that have THE TRUTH. Study the Bible for yourself with fresh eyes. Don't worry about what EGW said or didn't say. It's a waste of time to do that when you have multiple translations of the Bible , concordance, and Hebrew and Greek reference books , and the Holy Spirit available to help you.

[@isaac_born_again]

this paragraph that you wrote is probably the wisest piece of advice I’ve ever heard. this can be applied to anyone in the world whether or not they have previous “church” influences. I hope everyone sees your comment! God bless you!

[@Authas_0]

All churches say that.

[@jesusfierro1721]

In my opinion. ( I’m not a SDA). In the OT and NT. Jews and gentiles worshipped on the Shabbat as commanded in the Bible. Then decades later Catholics changed it to Sunday. And after that Protestants just continued with Sunday. This issue is so impressed in Christianity. But there’s no biblical evidence that the commandment of God change to Sunday. There’s more biblical weight on the ongoing Shabbat commandment. I believe Christianity should humble and admit God does care about the Shabbat repentance should be one of the ways to start

[@zacharyvance2365]

Agreed, if God said that it will be upheld when the Earth is made new, then why would He (also Jesus) change the day that He crowned creation with? It makes God look inconsistent if the Sabbath was changed. I seem to also recall that come Christians didn’t like the Jews around the 1st and 2nd centuries, so it would make sense if paganism, anti-Jewish sentiment, and then Roman “authority” all had something to do with the changing of the day to be both palatable and distancing from the Judiazers. That still doesn’t erase God declaring Sabbath as hollowed and holy, just means humanity, once again, was trying to supplant God’s authority, even if it was with good intention.

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

Jesus rose on Sunday

[@rubenpidu8214]

@@MrWaves-oj9ge he could have rose on Saturday but he didn't because it's Sabbath.

[@lalhmelthra817]

@@MrWaves-oj9ge 😂

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

@@rubenpidu8214 Did Jesus and the disciples not work all day ministering on Saturday? ...and now you say Jesus couldnt raise on Saturday?

[@danielvictor5181]

I am Adventist. You guys can believe in rumors you want about Adventists but I pray whoever is reading this certainly believes that Jesus is your personal savior then you’ll be saved ❤ my siblings in Christ (any denomination) keep spreading the good news and stop thinking it’s based on our works!

[@Ichigo_Kurosaki27]

It's not rumors when the Scriptures reveal things about this cultist mentality/behavior. I had a run in with a cult that doesn't challenge anything that is being taught or return to what the Word of God actually says. You SDA cultists are definitely the same and are up there with the JW and LDS. And it makes no sense to me, when the behavior clearly doesn't match up with what you guys say.

[@danielvictor5181]

@@Ichigo_Kurosaki27 thank you for raising this issue and I respect you for your thoughts and how rational you think as a human being ❤️ I’m not sure what denomination you are but it would be intellectually dishonest for me to judge your entire group off of the actions of a few individuals. In light of the fact that Jesus always preached love, came and lived a sinless life that’s really who we should put our faith in ⭐️ are there people who mess up? Sure who doesn’t…but let’s not forget the bigger picture

[@alangwhiteTheBoss]

​@@Ichigo_Kurosaki27I grew up adventist and always disagreed with the Ellen g white tards lol. I went to and adventist university and the theology department was actually super liberal almost progressive lol

[@arkhamkillzone]

I also go to a sda church but I reject EG white and the Sabbath day worship for salvation doctrin. Jesus is my saviour not my decision to worship on a certain day of the week. I spend time with God daily with reading the word and praying. I believe to keep the Sabbath is to keep your relation with Jesus and that is done daily not just on Saturday. However I do enjoy going to church (building) on Saturday and fellowshipping with like minded believers.

[@danielvictor5181]

@@arkhamkillzone Amen we’re like twins ❤️relationship with him over religion & friendly fellowship is like family ngl

[@edafematthew8406]

I'm an Adventist and I have never evangelized with Ellen White's writing but just the Bible . And it has being wonderful all the way

[@KD-vw3bv]

What Bible do you use? Clear Word is not a faithful translation

[@edafematthew8406]

@@KD-vw3bv King James version sorry You can ask me to defend my beliefs and I will

[@justaregularguy115]

​@@edafematthew8406 If her writings aren't good enough to evangelize with, then why hold to her "revelations" at all yourself? It seems you know her musings aren't valid scripture so why abiide in a group that exaults a false prophet alongside the hand picked Apostles of Jesus Christ? When you strip down all the extra-biblical additives, an SDA is just a christian who really loves upholding the Sabbath. So why accept all the unbiblical red flags instead of finding a theologically sound church? I wonder if when you evangelize (while leaving out Ellen White's leaven), do you invite new converts to one of your SDA churches (who will likely start introducing them to Ellen White's false revelations anyway).

[@faithfultoyeshua4576]

​@@justaregularguy115 her writing are good its just that you can't preach to someone a book they don't know

[@justaregularguy115]

@@faithfultoyeshua4576 Nonsense, the Bible is a book someone can not know (specifically a new convert). And The Bible is all we Christians need. But you cultists add and elevate a false prophet's musings alongside scripture, yet you admit you dare not share that info with new coverts. This is what cults do. They obscure their true beliefs until later on in the indoctrination process and by then its harder to reject it.

[@victoriawoxa190]

Jesus is our sabbath, not a weekday.

[@brianfixitguy2494]

Huh?

[@mdp1991]

I heard some one say this before, but so do we ignore the commandment about keeping the sabbath? Or does that just mean it don't matter what day we do it on? Cause I believe the sabbath is on Saturday, but I know we are saved by grace through faith, but still the bible says make your calling and election sure.

[@JoshuaBwinja-lv9ty]

This is the truth it's not about a day Saturday or Sunday any more but it's about being in the rest of God

[@ShepherdMinistry]

@@mdp1991Christians worship on the Lords day-which is Sunday- and many Christian’s who view the Ten Commandments as a moral law have made Sunday, the Lords day, the Christian sabbath. Check out the didache.

[@daydreamerz]

I'm SDA and used to think it was quite legalistic. However, once I stopped listening to messed up people around me and started reading for myself, I found out that the SDA doctrine is not what's flawed. People are the problem. With that said, I find it strange that only 9 of the 10 Commandments still matter. But if I tried to cut it to 8 people would take issue. To my understanding , Sunday worship as "the mark of the beast" is about the Roman Catholic Church saying --- IN THEIR OWN WRITINGS --- that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday as their mark of authority over the Bible (The Catholic Record of London Ontario Sept 1 1923; The Catholic Mirror Sept 23 1893; Our Sunday Visitor Feb 5 1950) ). They even outlawed observance of the 7th-day Sabbath (Council of Laodicea AD 364). I won't pretend know what the mark of the beast is, but I think siding with the Catholic Church is highly problematic. As far as Ellen White, she herself said that she's not a prophet, but a messenger. Take that however you want, but perhaps Jesus' followers are all supposed to be God's messengers. She wrote that we must read the Scriptures as a safeguard from false teachers and everything is to be tested against the Bible (Great Controversy 593). She also said the Bible is the ONLY unquestionable authority, not her writings (Christ Object Lessons 39,40). Some SDAs elevate her too highly despite her objections, but most do not.

[@conservativemama3437]

Actually Sunday worship came from Jesus rising from the dead on Sunday (Easter). Resurrected from death to life and that is why the Christians have been worshipping together on Sunday since that time.

[@daydreamerz]

I'm not here to debate, just offering food for thought for curious cats. But I'd ask, have you studied the matter for yourself? Why follow the ways of men instead of instructions of God? And did you read any of the references from the Catholic Church? Regardless, do whatever the Spirit leads you to do and God bless.

[@romandaigle455]

@@conservativemama3437 watch Total Onslaught Series by Dr. Walter Veith. Emperor Constantine actually changed the day of the Biblical Sabbath as to incorporate the pagans with the Christians for worship. Man cannot change God’s Commandments. Also compare the catechism to the Bible’s 10 Commandments. The RCC admits to changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday

[@defenderoftruth6000]

@@conservativemama3437 - RCC quotes: “They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance... The author of the Sunday law... is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914. “The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.” American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883. “Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900. “It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

[@rodrigoaus10]

I have a SDA friend, I’ve studied a lot about the subjects. If you read Justin Martyrs early writing, he mentioned Christians getting together on Sunday. This is before Rome declared that Sunday was the new rest day. To me, this piece of evidence is clear enough (plus adding the insufficient biblical passage to say that the sabbath rest is for the new covenant, plus Old Testament scripture saying that sabbath rest was made for Israelites so they can remember where God took them from). It’s undeniable, that Christians began worshiping on Sunday.

[@motionsick]

My Adventist upbringing and education was somewhat forced upon me and i'll tell you the older i get the more and more thankful i am for it. One of the things that turns me off about all churchs is the constant gossip and people thinking and worrying about whos right and whos wrong.

[@SpaceCadet4Jesus]

You don't have that in the SDA? That's funny, my brother in-law has been complaining of infighting and turmoil in the SDA and he's been a member since childhood. I'll have to tell him what you said, see how he responds.

[@MarcelPratt]

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Gossip is everywhere. I love my SDA church, will never go anywhere else

[@Mariee0012]

Myself the same, I wanted to walk out of the church but needed a single writing of EGW to show proof atleast to my parents that her writings are against God's words. But years after years and her books after books, I couldn't find fault with her writings, infact each time against coming in to find fault, I was amazed and disappointed how in perfect accordance with the Bible her writings are. I thank God and I now remain here after 3 decades of lifetime

[@matthaiosbuckmire740]

Please tell me where I can contact you to share with you this doctrine. Though as you were saying much of the church have strayed from the truth, not many adventists you meet would be able to explain to you the fundamentals correctly.

[@katherinecoles191]

You nailed it. I was raised a SDA and went through the educational system. I'm thankful to have been an SDA growing up. It saved me from a lot of trauma I would have otherwise had in my life. I love the Sabbath also, the day set aside to rest and celebrate creation. However, I spent my early adult life trying to figure out how Ellen G. White interpreted scripture. It was never explained in context when scripture was used. It was "a text here and a text" there. I read her books extensively trying to understand the teachings. I was taught that if a prophet taught contrary to scripture then the person wasn't a true prophet. I studied my way out of the SDA church. In her book, The Great Controversy, she said during the tribulation we would have to stand before God without the intercession of Christ. We would have to reach a level of perfection to stand before God. Hebrews clearly states that Christ lives evermore to make intercession for us. This was my reason for not remaining an Adventist. I love my friends in the Adventist church. I will say most SDAs haven't actually read most of Ellen G. Whites books. Interesting to me that during the 1830's, 1840's the LDS church began with a prophet along with SDA's and Christian Scientists, and Jehovah Witnesses. Thanks for your presentation. Again I love my friends in the SDA church. I love the Sabbath.

[@Nancie6290]

I agree with you as I used to belong as well . I was a “ moderate “ as I came from the Pentecostal church .I starting researching into the Messianic Jews because to me they are very important piece in Gods word and plan .The 10 commandments are a no brainer that they are our moral code of law . Although now law makers change things and this is leading to lawlessness . It’s only the sabbath of the 10 that bother people . The fact is God did bless the 7 day for rest . Saturday . Of course we do rest in Jesus every day but after creation there was a day that was for rest from God even He himself rested

[@sonyyung5510]

I think there is some misunderstanding here when it comes to Ellen G white. I know there are some the denominations of SDA that hold Ellen in the same level as the apostles, and I personally have told them that is as dangerous as the the Catholic church holding Mary on the same level with the apostles as well. Ellen G White herself spoke about her writings saying that her writings are no more than her personal opinions and thoughts and that she recommends the Bible over anything she had ever written. So if anyone you meet says her writings are the same as the bible, tell them she herself said refer to the Bible for anything she has said.

[@BrandonGray]

Brethren, It is written, Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believe. What then is Christ? It is written, the righteousness of faith speaks as follows; Do not say in you heart, who will ascend into heaven, that is to bring Christ down or who will descend into the abyss, that is to bring Christ up from the dead, but what does it say, the word is near you, in your mouth and in you heart. Brethren, it written whoever listens to Christ has been taught by God. I pray that you understand this so that you may be free as I am in Christ. For if anyone fails at one point in the law, they are guilty of all. So then speak and act as those who are under the law of liberty which is Christ crucified.

[@peterfox7663]

Give Seventh Day Baptists a look

[@jeffm8423]

Many false teaching movements that were centered around William Miller false 1844 second coming prophecy.

[@quix66hiya22]

The title seems to say that Pastor Parr’s explanation warrants concern. I was concerned!

[@stlouislord28]

That’s how I read it too lol

[@smi9324]

Me too 😅

[@armoredsaint6639]

Me too! Glade I watched the video!

[@user-vy2hz6fl6x]

had me scared😂

[@xintimidate]

His explanation doesnt warrant concern. Its filled with strawmans. He did not do his research properly

[@glenmorrow1255]

As a life long SDA, I am not aware of anyone that has said you won’t be saved if you worship on Sunday, but it is clear that Sunday worship isn’t biblical. I even believe that there is an EGW quote to the effect that heaven will be full of people from all flocks. Sabbath keeping, back to basics, is a distinguishing mark of the remnant church that tries to stay true to God and his commands. Not to be confused with personal salvation. Question for you, why is the sabbath the only optional command? Especially when it is the only command God specifically says to remember?

[@johnfoster5489]

I’m also an SDA. There is nothing wrong with worshipping on Sunday in the same context that is not wrong to worship on Monday or Tuesday. The Sabbath is a day of rest. We keep it holy by resting. We attend church service on Sabbath day as it’s tradition to get the word of God on the day of rest but to say it’s unbiblical to “worship “ on Sunday is false. My SDA church meets several times a week for prayer meetings and such. Your real objection with Sunday is the authority that Man can move the Sabbath day to Sunday. And say rest on Sunday or “the lords day.” This gives authority to Man not God. It really comes down to authority.

[@TexasGrandma2010]

Yes it is biblical.

[@lauren-puppytails]

what is the remnant church

[@TexasGrandma2010]

The mark of the beast has nothing to do with SDA or remnant church. SDA is not the remnant church. Markmof the beast is actually told to us in Rev. It will be on the forehead or right hand and will be needed to buy or sell. And to receive it you will need to call the anti Christ God and worship him. Please read a real Bible.

[@TexasGrandma2010]

@@johnfoster5489 Jesus moved it when He said He is the Sabbath and rest and rose on the 3rd day, 1st day of the week. Sabbath was given to the Jews and it has much more attached to it then just worshipping on the 7th day. There are punishments associated with violating the Sabbath, like death. Are you doing that? 8f not, you are not following Sabbath laws.

[@southernPacificRR]

One of the most appealing teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination is their insistence that Christians must obey the Ten Commandments . . . all ten of them. They rightly expose the errant thinking among many Protestant Christian sects that claims, “We don’t have to keep the Ten Commandments for salvation anymore.

[@DVGomes]

Amen! I love you my friend! I'm an SDA...See Revelation 22:14-15 and John 14:15 "If Ye Love ME (JESUS!) keep MY Commandments..." What commandments are you talking about LORD? Answer: "The TEN Commandments of Exodus 20:1-17" Amen.

[@tedrowell659]

But... if we do sin, we have Christ as our mediator. We will not be sinless this side of heaven Paul, Peter and John certainly weren't.

[@lynnwinters3777]

One thing only I will say: there is a huge difference between everlasting punishment & everlasting punishing.

[@blueticks8423]

Amen.

[@brettrfalcon730]

Definitely. The punishment is everlasting because once you are destroyed, you are destroyed forever. There is no coming back. Complete annihilation from existence. I’m not a SDA, but I do embrace annihilation, because an everlasting torment for a limited amount of sins is not consistent with a good God.

[@riveroflife9956]

@@brettrfalcon730 I would be very careful to think you understand Gods reasoning for eternal damnation.. according to the Bible, Jesus said there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.. it will be a place of torment and pain, being fully separated from God for eternity. Read the word.. God ultimately demands eternal outcomes since he is eternal.. our earthly little minds don’t understand these things so we try to make ourselves feel good by saying we will be destroyed, yet that’s not what the Bible teaches... ever.. anywhere in it.

[@princesssilver1026]

@@riveroflife9956 Hey. Actually, being separated from GOD for eternity, doesn't mean burning in hell for in eternity. Its like if you lose a loved one. Let's say they died 15 years ago because the house caught on fire. They are separated from you for 15 years, but it doesn't mean that they burned for 15 years. They experienced torment and definitely pain because they burned in that house and suffocated, but it doesn't mean they'll burn forever. You could also read Revelation 21. Laterr :)

[@aerialpunk]

Agreed. He focused on the "eternal" part when most of us who hold an SDA-like view of these things focus on the "punishment' part.

[@beaulin5628]

Great message, Mr. Parr. The differences are subtle. Thank you!

[@stephenbeaulieu3907]

Great sermon on “Rest” !! One of the best sermons on The Sabbath and Rest.

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

Great sermon, only if you want to hide from Bible truth on the topic snd your ears are itching for Parr's smooth distortions.

[@time_2_get_ready]

🤔 Better than Hebrews chapter 4? Galatians chapter 3? Galatians chapter 4? Romans 7:1-4?

[@ZetaByteMe]

Raised a SDA from birth, at about 13, I looked at all the other churches who were worshiping the same God, confessing the same Lord Jesus, but doing it on Sunday; whose members I was told were lost and going to hell because they were doing it on the wrong day of the week; and I decided that I wasn't sure what truth was, but I was quite convinced that wasn't it. As for the law, the numerous NT Scriptures that said, for instance "Christ is the end of the law..." Rom 10:4, were explained away by saying that Jesus was the end of the ceremonial law (written on parchment and placed outside the ark of the covenant) while the 10 Commandments (written in stone, placed inside the Ark) were still very much in effect. Anyway, it took nearly 20 years for the Holy Spirit to get my attention, and bring me back to a relationship with our Lord Jesus. I, of course had to resolve the issue of the Sabbath. After a period of study, I was led to 2 Corinthians chapter 3 (verse 4 to end of chapter) where Paul compares and contrasts the old and new Covenants. And, he starts by zeroing in on the old being "written in letters in stone." There can be no doubt what he is referring to. This passage of Scripture absolutely set me free from the Sabbath issue. The sabbath was a symbol of the rest the believer would enjoy when he/she truly grasped the true meaning of the "finished work of Christ on the Cross," made real by the gift of the Holy Spirit that He predicted would come after He ascended to the Father. Read the NT through the lens of Salvation being the eternal free gift it is, and allow His Spirit to set you free once and for all from the bondage of works. Serve in the new way of the Spirit, instead of the old way of the written code. See if your love for Jesus (and thence for other people) doesn't explode as a result.

[@forthezorz]

2 Cor 3 is interesting. I believe I've heard people interpret that veil as though Moses was hiding the glow from people. But verse 13 is rather saying that he was hiding the fact that it was fading. Now that Christ has come, we can all go straight to God. Verse 3 says "...not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart." This reminds me of Jeremiah 31:33 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts..." The language is the same. Rather than laws on stone, they will be on our hearts. Not done away with at all. Keep in mind also, 2 Pet 3:15,16. Peter says that Paul's writings can be hard to understand, and people do twist the meaning. Compare scripture with scripture. God bless.

[@vicentereyes2211]

Happy Thanksgiving pastor Mike, God bless you.

[@NessSpre]

I grew up in a cult that believed in only the KJV Bible and they would have non married ministers going out homeless 2x2 called “workers” (they would stay at homes of people within the cult) and we would look to them as the ultimate interpreter for the bible! I know how messed up it can all get! Instead of going directly to God for understanding we relied on “man”. I was taught that the Trinity was pretty much satanic. I understand the subtlety of deception especially being born into these cults. Jesus is the way the truth and the life.. NOT the cult I was brought up in. I can see how I was manipulated and controlled with fear pretty much my whole life! There was no freedom in Christ. There is a lot more to my story but God basically brought me out of the brainwashing after 30 years of my life! Praise God! 🙏 Jesus is mighty to save and the Holy Spirit is powerful to give proper revelation! I’m praying for all those people that are very mistaken and I love and want every soul to truly know God! Very interesting to learn about others beliefs.

[@deetwobird]

Hey Ness, could you describe more of the cult, what it’s called or what other teachings were exclusive to it? I’m curious cause I’ve been raised with those kind of groups growing up.

[@NessSpre]

@@deetwobird Hey there! The best name they are known for is the 2x2’s or “the truth”.It’s exclusive and they claim they are the one true “way” that Jesus established so they heavily emphasize their ministry is the only one that Jesus established. They meet in homes for Sunday and Wednesday “meetings”. They condemn church buildings. They have annual conventions for 4 days in the summer, usually on a family farm or a big property with all the facilities to host hundreds to thousands of people that come for them. They hold gospel meetings in a hall or school or wherever they can get that isn’t a church building where they preach their version of the gospel and use the living witness doctrine where they claim a person cannot be saved without hearing the gospel preached from the “workers” (preachers both men and woman). Heavy emphasis on looking and being separate from the world- women must not wear makeup, wear dresses and long skirts at all times, no jewelry.. basically look as plain as possible. And for men they don’t like facial hair and stylish hairstyles (not as much for the men to do). You cannot own a tv or drink at all. Basically live a very “pure” life. You are taught in a very deceptive way that Jesus is a pattern in which to live so you constantly strive to be a perfect example which you will never live up to. Many people within the cult have deep hidden secrets but as long as you look good on the outside and feel safe within the clutches of the control you don’t see, you can be free to live your pharisee life and judge and condemn others for not “looking” the part. Hope that explains it a bit better! Any other questions I’m happy to! There is a wonderful book by an Australian lady that left this cult and it’s called “Cult to Christ” and it was so helpful for me when I left!

[@jeprodigalson792]

@@NessSpre that cult sure sounds like it has sda characteristics... Ellen G White is the truth stuff... I hear ya.

[@yosemitenooni3900]

@@jeprodigalson792 those are radical SDA's, actual SDA's only see her writing as strictly supplementary and she herself said to always look towards the bible for the truth not her

[@jeprodigalson792]

@@yosemitenooni3900 she said that but what did the sda “foundational” leadership do? They joined her interpretations over the interpretations given to us by the apostles. So if sda doctrine is corrupted with a false prophets interpretations and messsages from whatever spirit she was listening to…. Wouldn’t you say the denomination is putting their Christian patrons at a disadvantage? Doing one thing when Christ tells us to follow his commands?

[@letyfoster2421]

As a Christian. . Would you agree with your church renting the building ( Adventist Church ) to worship on Sundays?

[@danieloostendorp9286]

Yes . If Adventist call themselves Christians means followers of Christ who only teach love your neighbours as yourselves . I'm Adventist and grew for most part of my youth the SDA church worshipped in a community hall. Many sabbaths the St Timothy Anglican church (Sunday worship) open their doors with such grace and love so that we could have worship in their church. Years after when I became elder at the sda church it discouraged me that the believers all voted out to decline a request if a family Christian group who started off as finders of Christ and focus on spreading rhe gospel. They were referred to as Babylon. The majority vote counted and the decision was out of my hands and it still affects me until today.

[@user-ve1hy2sz4l]

Hey pastor Mike, have you done your own video on SDAs? I'd love to chat with you about this. Or maybe I've missed the video somewhere.

[@TheVCRTimeMachine]

Our Pastor, just two weeks ago, in a sermon said, "If you reject Ellen White then you have rejected God, because you have rejected his prophet." I've got one foot out the door

[@travis9226]

Everything Ellen G white said is base from the Bible. Jesus kept the Sabbath and also his disciples, he didn't come to change the law , but to uphold it.

[@ri3m4nn]

That's ridiculous. Give me his name. I'll talk to his conference.

[@time_2_get_ready]

Before you flee out the door tell that "pastor" that there IS no *prophet* SINGULAR and that he should read Hebrews 1. And remind him also that prophet *S* plural are members of the Body of Christ - past present and future - and it is written, "The Spirit of prophets is subject to the prophets" ALL plural.

[@DrDoerk]

​@@travis9226that's complete false

[@bookworm5191]

​@travis9226 no man is going to make me lose my crown. I hope you don't let anyone cause you to fall away 😊

[@baratibza7595]

I think it would be fantastic if you could invite someone from the SDA church to explain their position. I feel like they are sometimes marginalized because of the Sabbath issue.

[@joelvicente8148]

True

[@PropheticEclipses]

I would accept an invitation to explain our position because video after video I see about us is always wrong. What shocks me most is how many use other websites that attack us to get their sources and the problem with these websites is they twist and take Ellen White writings out of context. Instead of quoting from our 28 fundamental beliefs I often see instead some outlandish explanation of what be believe and I say where in the world do they get these explanations from. I have yet to see any current KZbinrs that would bring some SDA Pastors to defend and answer their questions in a fair way. I would be glad to accept any invitation along with a friend to answer and challenge some of the false ideas on these videos.

[@PropheticEclipses]

@Jason albrecht They are not a cult. You may have been 30 years in it and not like it but they are not a cult.

[@PropheticEclipses]

@Jason albrecht The Sanctuary doctrine is a solid biblically based teaching.

[@Motivationalhub462]

Its amusing how we are comfortable keeping the other commandments, but call people who honor all n not just nine a cult. But what is more amusing is we keep nine but still call them ten. Lets understand one thing God has used prophets all through out and just bcuz some people dont know how to put Allen, s writings in their place, doesnt make a whole group a cult. To me it looks like we are trying to cover the Sabbath truth from people by misunderstanting this group of people. I pray every one here to open their bibles and find the truth and stop trying to find it here bcuz here or any other platform people speak according to their own minds. But God wants u to hear from Him thru da Bible read ur Bible people or else we gonna drown in the mess everyone is creating. Keep in mind, you cant tell false teachers from the true one unless u know the Bible urself

[@vortexgaming70000]

link to original podcast talking about all the groups discussed ? Please

[@lythonoise]

If Saturday is the Sabbath are you supposed to leave your home to have fellowship and do ministry work? Is that not why church gatherings are on Sunday?

[@paiaa1011]

I’m not a Seventh Day Adventist but the more I watch these videos the more I get drawn to Seventh Day Adventism. I believe we should keep Sabbath not to be saved but because we are saved. I like the teachings of SDA to prepare people for Christ’s second coming. I think they’re quite thorough with studying the word (I haven’t fully adjusted) but the teachings of pastors like Doigh Batchelor, Walter Veith and some others. Yes sometimes I hear EGWHITE’s name mentioned, but from what I’ve heard so far is mostly about Jesus and His coming back. I think we need to be prepared. If what SDA teachers about the Sunday law and the mark of the beast are true then we have a decision to make. I’ve been going to church on Sunday’s all my life and was told it was the sabbath. I’ve since made a decision to start keeping the sabbath. I’m sick of the prosperity and ear tickling preachers (not you guys), you know who I’m talking about, that are on KZbin and TV with their fake healings. Thanks for the video and God bless you both!

[@peterfox7663]

Consider a Seventh Day Baptist church. They recognize the Sabbath is on Saturday, and they have traditional Christian beliefs

[@paiaa1011]

@Peter Fox thanks. I’m looking at attending an SDA church down the road from me. Yes on sabbath Saturday.

[@peterfox7663]

@@paiaa1011 I would caution against an Adventist church.

[@hiddenrambo328]

Who must keep the Sabbath and why? Exodus 31:12-14 And the LORD said to Moses, 13“Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. 14Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Answer: Israelites, as a sign between the Israelites and God from then on, It is holy to the Israelites. The Sabbath is specifically to be kept by the Israelites as a beacon to the world and to them, but is a blessed pattern anyone who is not an Israelite can choose to keep. How do you know what day is the Sabbath? Exodus 31:15 For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death. Answer: Work Six days than the Seventh day is a day of rest = A pattern to keep. God's week: Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 [ Day 7 Rest day] Jew's Week: Sun Mon Tues Wed Thur Fri [ Sat Rest day] Gent Week: Mon Tues Wed Thur Fri Sat [ Sun Rest day] Each is called something different but each keeps the pattern. How Long is the Sabbath to be Kept? Exodus 31:16-17 The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. 17It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ” Answer: The Israelites must permanently keep the Sabbath from then on. When was the Sabbath given to the Israelites to be kept as Law? Exodus 31:18 When the LORD had finished speaking with Moses on Mount Sinai, He gave him the two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God. Answer: It was given to Moses at mount Sinai to than give to the Israelites. When did they first observe the Sabbath? Exodus 16:1 On the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left the land of Egypt, the whole congregation of Israel set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai. Exodus 16:4-7 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain down bread from heaven for you. Each day the people are to go out and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test whether or not they will follow My instructions. 5Then on the sixth day, when they prepare what they bring in, it will be twice as much as they gather on the other days.” 6So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, “This evening you will know that it was the LORD who brought you out of the land of Egypt, 7and in the morning you will see the LORD’s glory, because He has heard your grumbling against Him. For who are we that you should grumble against us?” Answer: The Sixteenth day of the second month out of Egypt the Israelites observed the Sabbath pattern the twenty second day of the second month out of Egypt the Israelites observed the rest/sabbath on the seventh day as is according to that pattern. This Sabbath pattern was given through signs of quail and manna This is the same time the seventh day is called the Sabbath. Exodus 16:21 For six days you may gather, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, it will not be there.” Once again the pattern is given Work six days rest on the seventh day which when keeping this pattern is called the Sabbath. It is understood that man will rule and reign on earth for 6 days (6,000 years) but on the 7th day man will rest and the Messiah will rule and reign that Sabbath day (1,000 years) this is why he is the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath - A Sabbath day has not been set but a Sabbath pattern has this pattern is for man for his refreshment & reflection to be revived for what comes next. Because we have this pattern if we were dropped in the middle of nowhere not knowing the day or week than this is day 1 of work and if you want to observe the sabbath pattern you will work 6 days and rest on the 7th day as that day is the Sabbath. Once that pattern is set you are to keep it and not flippantly jump about. If you do that than you are keeping the Sabbath, Jews Gentiles both Keep the Sabbath pattern and thus keep the Sabbath they just do not keep the same days and people argue about this when there is no need God did not institute a day but a pattern and in that pattern a day is set apart. Exodus20:8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Saturday is set apart by the Jews who remember God on this day. Sunday is set apart by the Gentiles who remember God on this day. If Saturday is the end of the week than Sunday is the beginning of the week. Together we worship the beginning and the end. God is the beginning and the end, and we are complete and one in God.

[@davidmodiga3273]

I am a Seventh-day Adventist and I want to say that your comment is one of the most objective and honest which I ever encountered on the internet. Keep loving the Lord and I hope we'll meet in heaven, where we will have our questions answered! God bless you!

[@RobertJMsc]

Is not stealing being legalistic if Keeping the sabbath is ?

[@princesssilver1026]

GOOD question man. Suddenly, the one commandment that proves our loyalty to our Creator is the one that determines if someone is legalistic or not. Sigh

[@princesssilver1026]

@Jayla I'd like to suggest that you read Mark 7 (the entire verse). And then read about Constantine and Sunday. And of course, pray about it!

[@DrDoerk]

What did Jesus say about the sabbath?

[@lnln3656]

Exactly!

[@Fos3tex]

As to the Sabbath. By which calendar are we going with, because I'm pretty sure that the calendar used when the old Testament is not the same as the Gregorian calendar.

[@Nanjayal]

The weekly cycle never changed. Secondly, if you believe that Jesus resurrected on Sunday, then you shouldn't have a problem determining which day is the Sabbath.

[@TheHeartofGodbooks]

Awesome word! Thanks for sharing!

[@magnificentuniverse3085]

When will you @MikeWinger do an extensive study on SDA 🥺

[@jeprodigalson792]

Yes!

[@kyrioskai2993]

Yes definitely pastor Mike you’ll fine a lot but a lot of lies on that cult

[@markdonnaabbott3977]

Try Dale Ratzlaff on former adventist channel on YT. He was 3/4th generation sda. Saved by God's grace He knows egg whites writings back to front can reference it, then rebuke it with scripture. As an ex sda He was a great resource to me. Some beautiful testimonies on their too.

[@kyrioskai2993]

@@markdonnaabbott3977 yes your right I have seen videos of Dale Ratzlaff

[@damientoomey1194]

Being raised by 2nd or 3rd generation adventist parents, Dale Ratzlaff and his ministry was helpful in untangling some of the faulty doctrine when coming back to Christ and studying the bible and church history. Also search the books by DM Canright he had close interactions with EG White was has a lot to say of the inner workings of the SDA church back then.

[@TedMattos]

Unfortunate wording of the video title, Pastor Mike. Perhaps you meant: "Allen Parr's Explanation Concerning the Seventh Day Adventists? :)

[@bufficliff8978]

😂 I couldn't figure out why it didn't sound right

[@xtinacg]

Haha yes, exactly.

[@amadeusasimov1364]

Haha, nah Pastor Winger is just a secret Seventh Day Adventist 😏😉

[@jellyfish0311]

It sounds so disparaging lol

[@shantijamilah8688]

Yes I was surprised and expected that pastor Mike was going to be showing how he is concerned with brother Allen Parr’s explanation. I have so much respect for both men that I was concerned this was a video to criticize Allen’s views on SDAs. Haha needless to say I am relieved. Maybe consider changing the title Pastor Mike :)

[@birdsongpmvinc2276]

So thankful that my grandmother was saved out of SDA and was born again. Through her, I received the Word and was saved as a child.

[@BalcazarMD]

Your grandmother was saved out of the SDA and was “Born Again” What being born again means?! And you were saved as a Child? What does being Saved mean to you? Can you elaborate on that?

[@malcolmnoel9044]

Read Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 ...& John 14: 15

[@malcolmnoel9044]

Anyone who claim he is saved and not keeping God's law...is virtually fooling themselves. See Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. Time is short . .STOP FOOLING YOURSELF.!

[@mid20s49]

@@malcolmnoel9044 we are not saved by the law. we are saved by grace through faith

[@finaldaylight3804]

@@malcolmnoel9044 very good point!

[@user-wh4ci6wy3e]

I really appreciate seeing both Allen & Mike together having discussions like this. Good work! ❤

[@rayhchc6451]

Have you noticed how tight-lipped Winger is? Ask him to talk two hours on Mormons, Catholicism, Calvinism or Jehovah's Witnesses and he's on it no problem. Ask him to talk about Seventh-day Adventists and what does he do? 1) He gets someone else to do it ON HIS BEHALF ON HIS CHANNEL. 2) Dedicate a measly 23 minutes Mike Winger KNOWS, just like thousands of other Pagan Sunday pastors and theologians, that Adventists are right and CAN'T be refuted‼️ Noticed how Winger just sits quietly and listens to fellow Pagan Parr? Winger KNOWS he's wrong about Sunday vs Sabbath. So when are you going to repent and stop being a rebellious Sunday Pagan and accept the TRUE GOSPEL⁉️

[@johanjonahanyi5107]

​@@rayhchc6451😂

[@MsViva710]

​@@rayhchc6451it's true that the catholic books state that if you want to follow the Bible then you'd hv to be 7th day adventist.

[@rayhchc6451]

@@MsViva710 👍

[@blueticks8423]

As a Seventh Day Adventist the first thing I want to say is that I really love and appreciate both of these brothers and their ministries. I have been hugely blessed by them (especially Mike Winger). One thing people don’t seem to understand about SDA is that we are NOT credal. What I mean is that there is a lot of room for individual Bible study and for people to develop their own understandings of scripture. And even our official church doctrines (fundamental beliefs) have evolved as our understanding of scripture has evolved. So we are a church body of INDIVIDUALS. That’s why you talk to 10 different SDA people and ask the same question you will get at least 8 different (though probably similar) answers. I have always used the Bible to develop my theology, and Mrs. White is a supplemental reading to gain some insight into certain topics, similar to the way I would read the writings of C S Lewis or N T Wright. I think people get weirded out by the fact that we affirm her gift of prophecy. We just believe she was a deeply devoted Christian woman who God used to start a movement in the body of Christ. A movement back to our roots. A movement that aimed to finish what the reformers started. A movement that wanted to affirm sola scriptura to its end and disregard the traditions of over 1,000 years of apostasy that the Catholic Church propagated. Things like Sunday worship at the expense of sabbath keeping. We don’t believe there’s anything wrong with Sunday church attendance. But we believe if you neglect the sabbath you are violating the 4th commandment. So we strive to honor the law of God. We do it imperfectly, as with the other 9. But we do our best. We DON’T believe Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. We believe there will come a TIME YET FUTURE when there will be ENFORCED Sunday worship. At that point it will become a salvational issue. Because it will THEN be a clear choice of serving God and His law or serving man and his law.

[@terryrice3177]

I would like to see Pastor Mike do a spot on all the scriptures in the Bible that support Sunday worship. In fact, show me the text that the ten commandments law has somehow been "satisfied" by the death of Him Who spoke that law from Sinai. Apart from Ellen White's testimony I know my Bible well enough to argue every one of the 28 fundamental beliefs. You cannot, however, prove she was a false prophet. She only talks about Jesus continually. No other writer points to Christ like she does. I don't have any problem believing every word Isaiah said. Why would I have any problem believing what she said as a messenger from God? The Sabbath is a blessing, not a curse. It is the fourth commandment and the only one which identifies God as Creator. As to that confusing assessment I'm listening to, obviously tried to do his homework, I just pray, listen to a Revelation Seminar from Doug Batchelor or some of Walter Veith's testimonies. Without knowing us, you are just slandering us and misrepresenting the Character of God. Go lad I heard him say that we agreed more than we disagreed...do your homework!!

[@imariapassao]

I feel like Pastor Allen is mostly offended, and didn't read enough. I think he needs to understand that in EVERY religion people will have different opinions on "debatable" topics, like for example the sabbath. I keep the sabbath, but my keeping the sabbath won't look like everyone else's, and that comes from your relationship with God and conviction from the Holy Spirit. Although I would say some of our SDA members can be quite rude on this topic, and just say things to show that they are different or more "holy" which feels a bit pharisee like to me. I just pray that we all understand every religion has its differences, and it's ok because we are Men and not God. We have to seek Him first and keep seeking Him daily and He will lead us to the truth. We should never think we are all knowing, and pastors should be able to admit that they've preached things wrong and that their opinion has changed. Happy sabbath from Portugal Skylar!

[@blueticks8423]

@@imariapassao hello from Tennessee and happy sabbath to you as the Sabbath hours are approaching here! Sabbath is my favorite day of the week! I completely agree with everything you said. I think sometimes people scratch the surface of some of some of our church doctrines and immediately disregard them before fully studying them out. I think this is especially true in the “investigative judgement” doctrine as that one is so unique to our church. I think most people begin to look at it and jump to the conclusion (as Allen did here) that we teach that Jesus’ atonement wasn’t finished at the cross. Or another way of saying it is that they think we believe that we aren’t saved “yet” and there is still some work that Jesus is doing in order to atone for our sin. But in fact that not what we teach at all. We just acknowledge that the work Of Jesus was typified in the work of the sanctuary of the Hebrews and that the sacrifice of the lamb or “the atonement for the sins of the people” was only ONE part of that work. We acknowledge that the day of atonement has its fulfillment in the ministry of Christ as well and that that is what is now being done. This is not the “atonement for sin” which was accomplished on the cross, but it’s actual removal from or “cleansing” from existence which is accomplished on the day of atonement. That’s my bare bones explanation anyway. It’s biblical. This isn’t something we get from Ellen White. Allen wants to say “it is finished” as if that verse refutes what we believe. But in fact it affirms what we believe. I would like to challenge him to explain WHAT was finished on the cross. Certainly he can’t mean EVERYTHING was finished at the cross or what are we still doing here on earth, still dealing with sin over 2,000 years later. So WHAT was finished?…..The atonement for sin. Not the end of the sin problem. At the very least they should acknowledge that we have ground to stand on biblically and then just agree to disagree. Why do we get labeled as a cult for such teachings? Why can calvinists and non calvinists agree to disagree and still call each other brothers and sisters in Christ even though they have polar opposite views on the atonement, but when we have an another different view on this topic, we don’t get that same level of grace. It seems so hypocritical to me. They are so quick to lump us in with the “cult” word and it is very frustrating to me as I stand upon the authority of scripture to establish and back up every belief I hold as an SDA.

[@imariapassao]

@@blueticks8423 that is very true... I feel like even SDA’s won’t agree with everything you know. I think they didn’t classify SDA as a cult though in here tho

[@broncosgjn]

@@terryrice3177 What the Bible Says The Bible counters much of what Ellen G. White taught and what her church teaches today. In the matter of the sabbath, the New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday rather than Saturday. Not only that, but Romans 14 teaches that each person must be convinced in his own mind about the day they observe as the Lord’s Day; if the sabbath was binding on all Christians today, this passage would be meaningless. In contrast to White’s teaching on the eternal destiny of those who do not know the Lord, the Bible teaches that hell is real, that it is eternal, and that in hell God’s wrath is poured out in conscious, everlasting punishment. John the Baptist spoke of Jesus, saying, “His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12). Jesus himself spoke of hell saying, “if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire” and “these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Mark 9:43, Matthew 25:46). And in the epistles, Paul warned, “They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might” (2 Thessalonians 1:9). Only by deliberately twisting the Scriptures can anyone deny the terrifying reality that hell is real and that those who do not know the Lord will be there to face his wrath forever. (from @Challies)

[@gailjacques6214]

I am not a Seventh day Adventist but I do observe the sabbath. It truly is a blessing to dedicate a day to God and do nothing else but rest. We truly need that especially with today's "grind till you die "culture. As always love your videos Mike!

[@ri3m4nn]

True. There's a lot of benefits to detaching.

[@brogadierthethird7790]

No, you don't observe the sabbath. I also have a greater rest than 1 day will ever do! I hopw you do too. But nobody in the modern day observes the 1 day shabbat.

[@ri3m4nn]

@@brogadierthethird7790 Messianic Jews, Orthadox Church, Sabbath Christians, and Sunday-Sabbath Obligation Catholics would disagree

[@MountCarmel007]

​@@ri3m4nn If you worship on Sundays as your Sabbath, please know that you're in violation of the 4th Commandment found in Exodus 20v8-11. Sunday Worship was created by Satan to confuse God's people. Read Revelation 12v12 and Revelation 12v17. For more information concerning Sunday Worship, please watch "The Mark of the Beast" by Hope Through Prophecy

[@eltonron1558]

@@brogadierthethird7790 Nobody in modern day observing the Sabbath is of Satan. The professed savior of Christianity, declared the Sabbath was made for MAN, not Jews, not Israelites, not geeks, but MAN. Can't get around what your own savior declared. It's in Mark. Look it up. Actually read your own Bible and know it DOESN'T JIVE, with the current crop of professing Christianity.

[@ChristopherPisz]

Do you have a video on the topic of the Sabbath? I've recently started looking into it and even with particular verses pointed out from reasonings online, not seeing any reason we should not observe the Sabbath or any Biblical support for doing so on Sunday. I did read what I understood as putting too much focus on ritual was unreasonable, like not feeding a starving man or healing someone because it is the Sabbath. However, I did not see anything that says something like "well, you don't have to observe that part of the ten commandments anymore, but you better observe the rest of them!" Do we need to follow the ten commandments? All of them? I see a lot of dispute on what it means to observe the Sabbath, and particular man made rules regarding what can or can't be done on the Sabbath, but I don't see much good reasoning as to why the Sabbath no longer needs to be observed. I don't see Bible verses on "Do your Sabbath things on the 'Lord's day', because Jesus rose on Sunday."

[@cvally4313]

I've been an SDA all my life and never had a church put Ellen G. White over the Bible. We were always taught that she was a servant of God. I suppose I am part of the Modern SDA church as Allen Parr puts it.

[@Jfloyd]

I am an annihilationist (conditional eternalist) but it's not for the emotional reasons Alan Parr mentions. It is for the surprising lack of evidence in the Bible for eternal torture in hell. Jesus repeatedly describes hell as the second death and also mentions destruction. Please look at this issue in earnest, without strawmanning the opposition. I will submit to the goodness of God whether people are destroyed in hell or are tortured eternally. As it is, eternal torture has very little evidence in the scriptures. This is such an important topic. If annihilationism is true, then teaching eternal torture is slandering God likely costing us believers.

[@riveroflife9956]

Jacob - Love you... here is the truth you are looking for brother! It is interesting that a much higher percentage of people believe in the existence of heaven than believe in the existence of hell. According to the Bible, though, hell is just as real as heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite and eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death which we have earned because of our sin. The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10). The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).

[@junk3996]

right, and you see this issue falls down the line of what i think the root problem is - believing we have immortal souls or spirits. the belief that a part of you lives after your body dies necessitates a destination for that part to "live" until the resurrection. this necessity creates heaven and hell, or even purgatory. but again there is a severe lack of plain teaching for this to be true, considering its "what happens when a person dies" the bible talks a lot about what happens when a person dies, and the only things you can interpret as implying a heaven and hell destination are parables, or ambiguous phrases which in context are not at all referring to the afterlife.

[@martin9410]

well said!

[@ukbloke5740]

Allen is attacking a straw man of the Sabbath being about going to church. It isn't. I was also dismayed at how he gleefully trashed the 4th commandment in 3 seconds flat and moved right along like nothing had happened. But hey, what do I know? :D

[@sunglassesnocap]

Right!? And also If we are being led by the spirit now under grace, wouldn't He lead us to keep the commandments

[@Marcus_Thomas_]

@@sunglassesnocap It grieved me to hear Allen say that the seventh-day Adventists Christians interpret scripture based on the interpretation of Ellen White which is 100% false. In my experience, before I knew and accepted the inspired writings of Ellen I came to Bible truths such as the seventh-day Sabbath, and how the Catholic church substituted the seventh day of the week to the first day etc. I came to the truth about who the remnant church is according to Bible prophecy and it led me to this movement. The Bible tells us that the dragon is wroth with a specific church, they keep all the commandments of God and have the faith and testimony of Jesus. Any church which teaches that God's law doesn't play a role in the Christian life is on the wrong side of the spiritual battle.

[@aerialpunk]

Yeah, I mean, there definitely is a point to be made that we keep the rest of the 10 commandments and use them as a guideline for how we should behave in everyday life. It's odd to just blissfully toss out one of them, and then act like it's legalism to question that decision. I agree with him that it's not a *salvation* issue, but it is an issue in that way. I felt similarly about how he discussed the death thing. "Eternal punishment" is not the same thing as eternally being in a continuous state of being actively punished, and *this* is where SDAs draw a distinction. It's not the "eternal" part he discusses, it's what "punishment" means. He really glossed over that and didn't really give an accurate description of the SDA view there. It was disappointing. (And fwiw, I only consider myself to loosely be SDA, because I don't really follow Ellen White but I did attend an SDA church for ages and I agree with a lot of the broader strokes of their theology.)

[@franknilson180]

I would like to know from you which church do you reckon is the only true church where you will find the whole truth?

[@MaxShibby]

The question itself is flawed. It presupposes that there is one true church. There isn’t! I don’t believe any church has “the whole truth.” ”For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully…“ We are inherently limited in our knowledge and understanding. One day in eternity we shall know fully.

[@gtgodbear6320]

Is Episcopalian a good denomination? I just found out my sons have to go to an Episcopalian Church because of their mom's new husband is Episcopalian. I'm scared to investigate because I heard someone say they're like Catholic Christians.

[@AlhamdulilJesus]

😅🤦🏾‍♂️

[@4.0gpa44]

Episcopals reject the truth of the Bible being without error. Episcopals also support homosexuality, which is a sin that God wants people to repent of and stop committing. They have many other errors as well. Many are likely not born again Christians.

[@karisfergusson7366]

Though the stain-glass and robes could be confusing, they're not like Catholics. However, they do have female or homosexual "pastors." Or both. They pride (no pun intended lol) themselves with being "inclusive" and "non-judgmental," unlike all the other silly judgy Christians who say pastors should not be promoting sin, and that women should not teach or exercise authority over men 🙄. They're very easily recognizable during the month of June because they're commemorating the sign of the promise that God will never flood the earth again 😊.

[@JesusismyGOD]

No, it is not merely an issue of what day we worship or they worship. The Apostle Paul made it abundantly clear that when you are BORN again, there is liberty with the godly things, such as one day or another day, but that the substance is found in Christ. Romans 14 and Colossians both talk about this as does Jesus in John. The Truth will set you FREE. You can worship on whatever day you choose to, *IF you are born again and trusting exclusively in the Messiah and NOT WHAT YOU DO!*

[@romeojoseph7741]

Amen. Well said.

[@Carefreeblues]

Let's just forget that GOD himself specified the day, but who cares, GOD is inconsistent right? Says one thing today and in the future (a future GOD supposedly knows everything about because he's omniscient) just changes it. Because he just feels like it.

[@Jesusfreak322]

Brother, Jesus Himself said if you love Me you will keep My commandments. Keeping the Sabbath is one of those commandments. We wouldn't start keeping idols, have other gods, or use His name in vain, would we? Why would we ignore the 4th? In fact, it's the only command God started with the word remember... He knew we would forget. It never changed throughout the entire bible. What Paul is speaking of are the ceremonial Sabbaths, NOT our weekly Sabbath with God. The people in biblical times understood this. The Sabbath was abolished by man, NOT God. Constantine changed it so pagans, Greeks and Romans would join his "holy nation". He even had all of his soldiers get baptized, even those that didn't believe. When you seal the Sabbath on your heart, you grow with God! It's not just a command written in God's own hand, but it's a new level of spirituality with our great and glorious King! God WILL make a way for you brother to keep the Sabbath! Please pray on it, ask God with an open heart to show you His truth only. May God bless you abundantly brother. LOVE BOLDLY!

[@yyong3002]

@@Jesusfreak322 everyday is supposed to be the Sabbath day, we should worship every single day, not just one specific day. In Genesis when God rested on the 7th day and blessed it, the Bible didn't say there was evening and morning like every other day during the creation. It was supposed to tell us that we should rest in Him for eternity, every single day. The idea of keeping the Sabbath day is just too restrictive. Some people don't have the privilege to not work on Sundays because their job require them to do. Would you condemned them and tell them to not work on "the Sabbath day" and ignoring their family needs? Also according to Jewish tradition, the Sabbath day is supposed to be starting from Friday evening to Saturday evening, so are you saying all churches on Earth that held Sunday services to be wrong? Again, I have no issue on keeping the Sabbath day, if you can do it, why not? But saying people that don't keep the exact same Sabbath day as the SDAs are wrong, are the exact same Pharasees that say Jesus didn't keep the Sabbath day because he healed a person.

[@rayhchc6451]

⚠️ Jesus is my God ⚠️ If any day goes, why 1) did Jesus single out the Sabbath when He told the Pharisees it is good to do good on the Sabbath when they accused Jesus if violating the Sabbath? 2) didn't Jesus say it is good to do good on any day?

[@MyBahaar]

Yes please brother Mike! Do a study video on EGW’s writings (and her background and identity) please! Praise be to God for this Much needed discussion for clarity and discipleship… I needed it.😘

[@tourmaline7385]

Allen says in this video that he’s done several videos on the SDAs.

[@MyBahaar]

@@tourmaline7385 yes but not specifically on EGW teachings and background :)

[@PropheticEclipses]

@@MyBahaar Why don't you read her own writings and get the source for yourself?

[@janetdavidson8798]

Go to Academy Apologia on KZbin . There are many videos about EGW. Not just hearsay, Jim will show you EGW'S books and pages and compare to Bible scripture .

[@rickhuntling7338]

@BibleTalk101 If she is the messenger the lesser light why do you need someone to clarify what she wrote. Ask the men she plagiarized 90 % of her writings from.

[@RockyService]

Is Act 20:7 not a good enough reason to worship on Sundays (the first day of the week) sincere question?

[@edmilsonvillalba457]

Acts 20:7 is a great text that describes believer who were breaking bread together on Sunday, which was after the sunset on Saturday afternoon. That is the reason it says “until midnight.” A strong reason why they were meeting on Sunday was because Paul was about to depart on the next day and they were willing to learn from his preaching before his departure. BTW, as Jesus did, Paul used to preach in any day of the week; and as Jesus Paul kept the Sabbath. Not to mention other books, the book of Acts are full of references to that fact: 13:14; 14:42,44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; 19:8. You have to force a lot to make Acts 20:7 to say that Acts 20:7 changes the sabbath keeping from Saturday to Sunday.

[@RockyService]

@@edmilsonvillalba457 well thank you. I’ve never heard that argument.

[@edmilsonvillalba457]

Absolutely @@RockyService

[@PaperclipProphets]

What does the 88 in your clock represent?

[@jvdm7195]

Mike Winger. I love listening to you. Im a SDA. Never in my church have i heard that only Sabbatkeepers will go to heaven. They even say theres thousands of Christian Catholics that also will make heaven. Please look up David asscherick's. DA with DA, where he speaks about Ellen g White.

[@rayray4192]

Adventists are liars. Adventist pastors lie to their own cult captives so they won’t leave with their checkbook. Hie naive are you. Your prophet pontificated owner and over that an ancient and abrogated Hebrew ritual law is the golden clasp of salvation and that no man would enter heaven without God’s government seal which is observance of a Hebrew ritual law that hadn’t existed in 2,000 years. Adventists are biblical fools and Bible illiterate. Adventists are not Christians

[@jerrodlopes186]

What does Jesus say about who is saved and who isn't? Let Him speak to you instead of all these people who are no better than you.

[@rayray4192]

@@jerrodlopes186 I’ve been listening to Jesus of Nazareth for a very long time. Here’s what Messiah said about who is saved:” Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.” Jesus of Nazareth speaking to a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin, Nicodemus. “ Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be astonished I said to you,’ You muse be born from above.’ Adventists have never died so they have never been born again. Adventists never speak about being born again; it’s a foreign concept to them. Being saved is a supernatural phenomenon. Adventist messenger from hell Ellen White mocked Christians who proclaimed they were saved, and forbade Adventists to say they are saved. Adventists are asinine wannabe Jews playing religious games; they are not saved. It’s not difficult to figure out. Holy writ teaches Adventists are Judaizers who preach a twice cursed gospel and live under a curse.

[@shanbraz6011]

But the issue is that SDA’s will say what you said until you just talk to them a bit more. Then all of a sudden it’s “keeping the sabbath is a sign you won’t get the mark of the beast”. ……so I mean you can say that but the reality is that a lot SDA’s don’t really believe that non SDA’s are saved. I mean they called non-SDA’s are part of the great apostasy. That’s y’all’s beliefs and it’s a shame to hide that to lure people in 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@rayray4192]

@@shanbraz6011 the heart and dark soul of the despicable Adventist demonic cult is the “ Shut door of mercy” heresy. Ellen White vision supported the lie and fought for it until at least 1851. The shut door meant no human on earth was saved except the small band of shut door advent people who were devotees of false prophet William Miller; an ignorant farmer with a crazy fascination with the numeral 7. Ellen pontificated it was no longer necessary to pray for the unsaved or even love them because they were doomed and without hope. The Adventist messenger from hell pontificated Christian pastors had the blood of souls on their hands because they refused to promulgate the fables and fairy tales from hell Ellen presented. Adventists are not Christians. Adventists have perfected the art of public deception. They are insidious liars. Only naive ignorant people think Adventists are redeemed saints.

[@jameschavis5486]

I was raised Adventist, left the church at 17, and came to Christ a decade later. My parents still hold to the Adventist faith, having held it their entire adult lives. I wouldn’t consider them extremist Adventists, but they consider me to be apostate. I will die in my sin having taken the mark of the beast and be eternally separated from God unless I repent and return to the true faith. It’s sad, but my mother prays nightly for my salvation, and I do the same for their’s. On a side, my personal experience with the church was one of constant judgement and works, focused primarily on sabbath keeping, but with dietary law sprinkled in for variety…

[@ctucker7002]

I understand how you feel. I believe there's a Sabbath, but I always felt it was a burden. My mom waited to after the Sabbath to open a card I sent her because she didn't want to break the Sabbath.

[@KevinHammond1]

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@KevinHammond1]

@@ctucker7002 1 John 5:3 (KJV) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

[@ctucker7002]

@@KevinHammond1 It shouldn't be grievious - but it is for me.

[@jameschavis5486]

@@KevinHammond1 well said. Of the 38 commandments of Christ clearly given in the new testament, I have failed to keep many of them. And of the Law I have failed over and over. Praise be to our Lord and Savior who has forgiven my weaknesses and failures. It is because of His mercy that I am able to love him at all. There is nothing I can do to draw near to him without his intervention in my life. But thank God for the promises of 1 John, especially Chapter 5! Through Jesus we overcome the world, we stop sinning, and the sin we continue to commit does not lead to death. We are sanctified slowly and surely for His Glory! Luke 7:41-43 41“A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” John 6:28-29 28Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

[@jpelegrio]

I maybe wrong on this but how do we know that the seventh day is Saturday or Sunday or even other days of the week. When there is no calendar yet during creation. The law is to work for six days and allot one day for worshiping God. May possible that one day can be anyday of the week?

[@eddiecarabeo7012]

I am not a seven day Adventist. I am a non-denominational Christian. But the 10 commandments do say to keep the Sabbath. And the Sabbath is not on Sunday. And it is a big deal in Gods, Jesus view! So it is in my view! So in that sense I'm withe SDA...

[@anissahodgson1686]

We were taught growing up there was a closed SDA and an open SDA. We belonged to the open. Ellen G White was very rarely talked about and my mother explained years later Ellen was considered a Prophet and they didn't just hand out titles like that willy nilly. There was an us and them mentality regarding Charismatic churches in particular. I left SDA because I never felt Gods love just condemnation. Seeing the huge pendulum swings in the Charismatic movements now I can respect the need for careful and mindful movement regarding the Holy Spirit as I seek to find that balance in my Apostolic Church. My father was anointed and prayed for by an SDA Pastor before he passed, it was all about Jesus, being right with his maker, knowing that Jesus was with him in the midst of his final battle. He read The Lord is my shepherd and sang amazing grace. My father passed that evening. We had the Funeral at the SDA Church and they were so loving and helpful. I don't ever stop and think my cousins aren't saved. Their core Christian beliefs are the same as mine. How they view me I don't know but they have never shunned or rejected me. SDA has its faults and Idiosyncrasies but Soooo many Churches do. Even our pastor promotes books and people and prophets from the pulpit. I guess the question we all have to ask ourselves in the end is...ARE YOU A PEOPLE FOLLOWER OR A CHRIST FOLLOWER. I would LOVE to hear a Sermon on that!

[@rickhuntling7338]

@Anissa Hodgson SDA is a different Gospel, different after life, different JESUS.

[@deathcorenerd8266]

I can attest to Some of things you say or right but the SDA is not a Christian Church I grew up Southern Baptist and there are some things that they do they're not aligned with the Bible their belief of once saved always saved and if you pray this one prayer than your saved well you have to actually mean that prayer you have to actually follow the word of God but I noticed a lot of churches are too afraid to preach Revelations

[@stoneyq4259]

​@@deathcorenerd8266they believe jesus christ died as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of all humanity

[@relvielome5988]

We are all seeking for Truth about GOD these days. The church that does not apply biblical principles nor let the Word of GOD be their guide or live by its precepts or direct it's congregation towards JESUS is falsehood.

[@SincerelyHannah9]

Unrelated but I’m loving the new Bible Thinker intro😌 it makes me happy that Mike’s ministry is growing because it has been such a blessing to my walk with the Lord and that of my family members as well!

[@rayray4192]

Mike is naive and ignorant and irresponsible to have Parr on his show explaining the Adventist demonic cult.

[@BEvans7]

I recently became an Adventist. I saw an article a few years ago saying that SDA was a cult and that E G White a false prophet. I remembered when once when I was at a church seeing an SDA bus in the lot next to the church and when I saw these articles it reminded me of that buss and for whatever reason it peaked my interest to read. I studied SDA from the skeptics to people like Walter Veith and concluded the SDA & EG White were in harmony with the Bible and nothing else so I joined and then my wife joined and my mom, my adult children also believe as I do but do not attend church yet, my 4 nephews are currently going through bible study and I am hopeful they will join, my niece joined and I am hopeful God will convince more family and friends to join. Honestly the truth is easy to preach it speaks for itself and it is far more convincing that what I learned in the Sunday churches and the truth mixed with error I once believed.

[@dobrinmicu92]

Does anyone know what’s the actual three religion ?

[@abcgamer2012]

This is so fun! I’m a “Seventh Day Adventist” but the funny part is that I don’t read any of Ellen’s books just because I’ve always been told that the only book you really need to read is the Bible… so then why do we need these other ones? Because they supposedly share deeper insight and we’re “inspired from God?” Some of the things that are in one clash with the other tho. Oof. Also my dad is totally that second type of SDA, the more extreme one. He’s likes repeatedly telling me to read Ellen’s books and how she was a prophet but I don’t really like to read (other than the Bible), so I’ve never really felt the need to look into her books. Also also, I had no idea that Adventists had all of these extra rules and beliefs! I guess I’m a bad SDA, lol. I’m glad for that tho. Let’s me see us in ways that others do and im doing more and more research into learning more on what the Bible really says so I’m def open to changing my beliefs but only to the truth of Scripture. I like Mikes videos :) thanks y’all. Update: I’m no longer an SDA. I don’t know what I am.

[@ri3m4nn]

@@nicetry620 nice spam.

[@olgaburgos7780]

Dear June, Let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truths, I was a Seventh Day Adventist for many years , not because I didn’t see their false teachings which I did not incorporate in my beliefs, but because of their keeping the biblical Sabbath, their healthy teachings and many kind people and friends I had in it, now I do not belong to their denomination but I keep the good things I found with them . I pray for them as I do for other churches members that have non biblical beliefs but are still good friends. I feed my soul with wonderful sermons from many theologians in the Lingonier Ministries and other gospel preaching ministers so I feel saved and secure in the presence of our dear Savior Jesus and LORD.. God bless you with His grace and love.

[@ri3m4nn]

@@olgaburgos7780 so you found the Sabbath and health message helpful? What parts were unbiblical?

[@rayray4192]

You aren’t an Adventist. There is no Adventist demonic cult without Ellen White. Ellen White is Adventism. If you are an Adventist cultist you signed a document before you were baptized into the demonic cult. To join the cult you must swear you believe and support the fundamental beliefs of the cult. One belief is prophecy is the sign of the last days remnant church and Ellen White is the proof Adventists are the only members of God’s only last days remnant church. Most likely you don’t know the fundamental beliefs of your disgusting cult nor can you explain them. You are laughing now but you aren’t saved and eternal torment is a long time.

[@rayray4192]

Adventist teaching is the writings ( she wrote none of her books) of Ellen White are an ongoing and authoritative source of truth good for teaching and correction. Ellen White is Adventism. You aren’t an Adventist and you are not a Christian

[@AndrewHenderson23]

The title may need a little rearranging brother 🤣! Other wise I Love the videos! God has truly used you to help me and so many in our walks and I’m extremely grateful for your ministry! God bless you brother!

[@ultrasonic1494]

I joined the seventh day adventist church a few months shy of a year ago. Honestly most of the things I've heard people say about the church and even in this video is either based off of misinterpretation or fear. What I've come to understand about my church and the denomination as a whole is as listed: - We really do believe the whole bible is true -We believe in the Holy Trinity - Baptism - Salvation by grace - We believe that God still requires us to keep the Sabbath. The Catholic Church changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and openly admits it. They had no authority to do so. - We believe that though we are saved by grace God still requires us to obey His commandments - We believe that Christ is God in the flesh who lived, died, and resurrected and will return - We believe in the post tribulation rapture - We believe that those humans who go to the lake of fire will be completely destroyed, killed, wiped out, burt up - we believe that God alone is immortal and that eternal life can only come through Him

[@katmossa3503]

👏 Agreed. I grew up sda. We do not put egw above the bible at all. We do believe she had the gift of prophecy and we all can debate on that. I can go 4-5 sabbath without hearing egw mentioned at all. You dont need her to be sda.The sda church is open to debating scripture and questioning, the deciding factor of what is right will always be the bible. Egw said if her writings do not align with the bible throw it the garbage. Ppl listen to allan parr break dont bible topics and sda read ellen g white once in while for the same reason. If there is one thing about the sda church, u must know your bible.

[@ultrasonic1494]

@@katmossa3503 I didn't even hear about Egw when I first came to Sda. And I think I can count on one hand the times I've actually heard anyone talk about her at all.

[@thebrandz108]

Thanks for getting into the sabbath and the SDA worship now please do some research on sunday worship where in the Bible Jesus remove the forth communication my biggest question is where do sunday worship come from is it of God or man i need to know and yes i go to church on Sundays.

[@quiet-strength]

Friday evening to Saturday evening is Sabbath and I believe we should keep it but not for salvation. We should worship everyday so to say people shouldn't worship on Sunday is wrong. I'm not a SDA just sharing my beliefs.

[@dellaswanson9837]

Agree with you 100

[@BrandonGray]

Do not you understand these things? Christ is your Sabbath. Do you not know seven represents death and eight represents new life. Why then do they circumcise men on the 8th day pointing to a time of new beginnings in Christ. Christ completed our law adherence by becoming that law which is implanted into our hearts. He is the law from heaven. Just as Jesus is the manna which was in the Ark, likewise Jesus is the commandments which were in the Ark. Christ is the fullness of all things. He is your life. When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed in his glory. For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died needlessly. For if I rebuild what I once destroyed, I prove myself as a transgressor, therefore I died to law so that I might live to God through Christ. Jesus is everything.

[@quiet-strength]

​@@BrandonGray We get our righteousness through Christ. He leads me. I follow.

[@heavynetwork6804]

@@quiet-strength The moment you say, 'we should keep the sabbath' it can mean 2 things... Either you say we need to keep it on saturday and no other day... Or you say, we need to keep a rest on a day in the week, to worship our lord Jesus Christ... Either way it is not for salvation, which means the sda church is condemning other believers wrongfully, therefor they are not a biblical church... God bless you all greatly, brothers and sisters... ☁️☁️🙏🙏🕊️👑🕊️🙏🙏☁️☁️

[@quiet-strength]

@@heavynetwork6804 Sabbath is set apart. Friday evening to Saturday evening. I believe we can worship any day of the week but Sabbath is the 7th day. That can't be changed. He blessed and sanctified it.. Who are we to change that? God Bless!

[@somechristianguy5810]

Why does no one actually ever invite a Seventh Day Adventist to explain their own faith? This guy opines a lot on Adventism but has essentially, not once, actually provided any clarity on the subject. Honestly this was mind numbing. Im putting myself forward. Ive done so already before on Allens channel but have never received a response.

[@matthewtaylor923]

Yeah. Get Pavel Goia on here. Talk about an SDA on fire for Christ. We all have some heresy in us, and it's important to be humble about that.

[@fortunefaded3983]

Because he knows SDA is a false religion.

[@somechristianguy5810]

@@fortunefaded3983 Even if Adventism was the most false religion to ever exist, created by satan himself, Christian integrity still demands that if youre going to pretend to give an account of it, that the person so doing should do so truthfully just like we render accounts for anything else we would assess in an objective way, regardless of what we think or feel about it. And as someone who insists he speaks to Adventists directly, he should at minimum, at least once, interview an actual Adventist, since again, integrity requires that you give one the opportunity to represent themselves if youre going to charge them with anything. So please, go be an idiot somewhere else.

[@fortunefaded3983]

@@somechristianguy5810 lol, and no you don't dictate people on what to do.

[@somechristianguy5810]

@@fortunefaded3983 Of course I dont, which is why I appealed to christian integrity, and common western social conventions which requires people be given the opportunity to represent themselves, you know, common ethics which govern how we should behave and treat each other if we are going to pretend to have integrity. When I realised that Atheism was wrong, I gave each faith I investigated the courtesy of representing themselves by the most qualified of its members, and once I settled on Christianity and converted, I did the same thing for each denomination I investigated. The reason is because in the vast majority of cases second hand witnesses butcher the testimony even if they dont intend to and have good intentions, and Allen Parr is no exception when attempting to explain Adventism. Everything I have seen of his on the subject so far is shoddy at best, despite what I believe is his best intention to get it right.

[@joebobjenkins7837]

3:54, is that really much different than calvanists or Lutherans?

[@RunninGunner04]

Hi Mike, can you do a video on what it means to keep the sabbath/Sunday holy? Thanks

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

Why would you ask Mike to do the impossible? One CANNOT keep Sunday "holy," because God NEVER sanctified Sunday or made it holy. God says remember the SEVENTH day, to KEEP it holy, because it was created that way in Genesis. Never did Jesus say to choose your own Sabbath. When Eve chose the wrong tree, and Abraham chose to impregnate the wrong woman, or Cain chose the wrong offering, was that ok? WHY would anyone want to test God on one of the tn commands written by his own hand in stone? The Lord is very specific for reasons He knows best. The 4th commandment is no exception. The blasphemous papacy made the 1st Sunday laws,and killed those who disagreed . That alone ought to tell us something about Sunday "sacredness."

[@RunninGunner04]

@@TIJoe-te9qu I believe Sunday is the 7th day, Monday is the first day of the week, we shouldn’t base the sabbath day off the Gregorian calendars last day of the week because it wasn’t even made yet

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

@@RunninGunner04 Some people believe the earth is flat and being a homo is good. Doesn't make it true, ,does it? There is a way that SEEMS right to a man... So why not use the Bible to determine truth? Go to Luke 23:52 thru 56, then on to Luke 24,v. 1 and 2. Notice the progression of three days there. Joseph begged the body of Jesus on the Preparation Day, (preparation for Sabbath), or what is commonly known to Christians as Good FRIDAY. Notice it was the Preparation day, and the Sabbath drew on. This is in a time where tee was NO controversy over the 7th day Sabbath. Everyone knew when it was. Obviously, Luke did too, and Dr Luke was very educated and meticulous. Next, the women prepared spices, then RESTED upon the Sabbath according to the commandment. This had to be the 6th day of the week, because... The next day, early on the FIRST day of the week, the day AFTER Sabbath, the women came to the empty tomb. So we have Good FRIDAY, the preparation day, Sabbath, the 7th day, then the FIRST day, commonly called SunDay. There have been changes to the calendar numerical days, but the weekly progression of days has NEVER been altered. How do we know? First, the Jews have kept METICULOUS tack of the Sabbath through the centuries, and they still observe Sabbath on the current 7th day, or Saturday to the Romanized world. Second, Astronomers have been asked to track time to back before the time of Jesus. They have found that no part of the weekly cycle has been lost or altered. The only gap they could find corresponded to the time in the Bible the sun stood still. Third, in over a hundred languages, not including our stupid paganized days of the week, their word for "Sabbath" is still on the 7th day we call Saturn-day. Sabado, Subota, Shabbat, etc, all mean Sabbath, and all refer to our Saturday, the 7th day on ANY normal calendar. The evidence is overwhelming. Now, will you study this for yourself and accept the true Lord's Day as the same 7th day of Jesus, or will you stubbornly fight the 4th commandment like most all evangelical churches teach to do? I find it beyond belief what stubborn man will do to reject a plain commandment while contriving any possible workaround to justify the pagan/papist Sunday. "Full well reject ye the commandments of God for the tradition of men." But there's no need for that. You know the truth now. Parr and Winger do not.

[@time_2_get_ready]

@@TIJoe-te9qu Try: Romans 7:1-4 Galatians chapter 3 (the *whole* chapter) Galatians chapter 4 (the *whole* chapter) Hebrews chapter 4 (the *whole* chapter)

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

@@time_2_get_ready To illustrate what?

[@Rajeev_Ralph327]

I'm a seventh day adventist and Mike winger is one of my favorite Christian apologist on youtube. I urge you Sir to please make a video about Seventh Day Adventist or Ellen G white based on your research. I'm pretty sure your verdict won't be bias. Praying !

[@disaj7460]

Not an SDA, but I do get spiritually fed by adventist pastors, evangelists & programs. I also tune into many other Christian channels. I leave certain doctrines & emphases out, as the Holy Spirit of God leads. Pastor Mike is one of my favs; Pastor Allen, too! 🕊👑

[@dwightwilliams311]

SDA's is cult thing.

[@xintimidate]

@@dwightwilliams311 No, it isnt. Its all biblical. Challenge me on any of their teachings. HeII, soul sleep, sabbath, pork, investigative judgment, little horn, the 1st and second beast, wh0re of babylon, antichrist, or anything else you would like to discuss. All our teachings come straight from the bible

[@dwightwilliams311]

@@xintimidate Really? Let's start on pork. Miss White's teaching on pork makes Jesus a lier then if it is so whe Jesus said ALL foods are clean. Mark 7:18-19.

[@xintimidate]

@@dwightwilliams311 Or perhaps, the more likely outcome you are taking that verse out of context to fit your narrative. Read the whole chapter it even gives the context. Was Jesus eating pork? No, he was eating with unclean hands. And in Matthew 15:20 which is relaying the same story Jesus says "These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them". Also, that (thus he declared all foods clean) was added in by the translators and is not in the original manuscripts. So, next verse or topic.

[@lifefreedom7269]

Great video guys! Really appreciate your honest perspective on this sect of Christianity. I once spoke to an SDA who told me flat out I was going to hell for worshiping on Sunday!

[@Nancie6290]

Yes people need balance and perspective . I used to go to SDA but started visiting another Christian church because I felt I should be able to go fellowship with other believers , and share our belief in Jesus . I had a conviction that messianic Jews are very key today as they were when Jesus walked the earth with them . 💞and I never heard any talk of them . Ellen white had insight but as all good Christian authors they have insight too . I just tried to put balance and perspective into what I read . The Bible first

[@lifefreedom7269]

@@Nancie6290 Amen sister 🙏

[@Ni-mp1vo]

to group all SDAs together and assume that they all believe that only 'sabbath following SDAs' are saved, is like assuming that every Pentecostal cry's and screams in tounges.. as with all denominations, there are extremes on both sides on the spectrum. I'm sorry to hear that you had that unfortunate encounter, however please be rest assured that that is definitely not what most SDAs actually believe. God bless you :)

[@lifefreedom7269]

@@Ni-mp1vo OK thank you for your reply. I don't really believe all SDA followers feel that way. I was just relating one particular negative experience I had. My apologies if I sounded like I was lumping everyone together. God bless you 🙏

[@heavynetwork6804]

Its true, not all people in the sda church are convinced of the sunday worshippers all going to hell... But isnt that not a point of concern that those views are coming out of that church, especially when it doesnt seem biblical... Its very important for a believer to attend a church and to be aware of what the actual doctrine is of his church, apparently most people church dont even know exactly, thats the biggest problem... Please read the bible for yourself, fellowbelievers, dont just sit in a church without actually understanding why you are there... God bless you all greatly, brothers and sisters...

[@af-bh1cg]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is not a group. In fact it is a movement Praise the Lord!

[@justinmckenzie4276]

The Sabbath is not just about rest but it was never expounded upon until Leviticus 23:3. It was also a day of a sacred assembly, worship.

[@braybilly]

And if you read all of Leviticus you’ll see Jews also had mandatory days of rest and worship on the first day of the week. See Leviticus 23:7 and 23:35. According to Ellen God commanded them to keep the mark of the beast.

[@solouncristiano8339]

I’m Adventist and I think there is a lot of misunderstanding from Allen. Of course I think is without intention. I would be glad to have a video with you mike if you want to have a direct testimony from a Adventist KZbinr. Regards and thanks for your channel !!

[@johnsix.51-69]

SDAs aren't Christians, but are Arians like the JWs. No wonder you both believe Jesus is Michael. "Our pioneers clearly held Arian or semi-Arian views in regard to the person of Christ. They understood “firstborn over all creation” (Col 1:15) and “only begotten Son” (John 3:16) in a literal sense. The Father, therefore, was first and superior, and the Son, who had a beginning sometime in eternity, was subordinate to the Father. A corollary of this view was the belief that the Holy Spirit is an influence or the power of God, but not a person." (Gerhard Pfandl, Biblical Research Institute, The Doctrine of the Trinity Among Seventh-day Adventists; Journal of the Adventist Theological Society, 17/1 (Spring 2006): 160-179)

[@Phill0old]

You are a Seventh Day Adventist, I am a Christian. We have different religions, different God's and different gospels. There is very little we share. You just use the same words, likes the JWs, Mormons, etc etc. But you mean something else entirely.

[@jeffreyrupright807]

@@Phill0old they do not believe in different gods 🤦🏻

[@Phill0old]

@@jeffreyrupright807 Yes, they do. A triune God, an incarnate deity are not the same God as that of the SDAs.

[@romandaigle455]

@@johnsix.51-69 thanks for this! I am very interested in looking into this. The Jesuits have been very busy corrupting things

[@alanyeap3311]

I think Allen Parr is just a biased guy against the SDA and who thinks he knows all, but he doesn't! Why doesn't he show in written form and in documents what he claimed on? Everything is merely hearsay. I'm not an SDA member but I like to think critically based on my knowledge.

[@treefellonya]

Now you are a thinking man. God says "Come, let us reason together..." Its not like he asks us to leave our brains at the door.

[@nightlight7654]

Just watching him struggle to try to find something negative to say was worth him making the video.

[@treefellonya]

@@nightlight7654 You haven't seen some of his earlier videos. He has since been challenged so much for his mis-speaking, that his struggle is with conviction. For that we are thankful. You will not be able to misquote the Bible for long around a determined Adventist.

[@nightlight7654]

@@treefellonya Amen.Indeed I do not watch much off his videos. Not to be mean but I think he is kinda Dumb, in general but as well in his knowledge of the word of God. Kinda your typical Lukewarm, watered down Christian Evangelical. Not quite as bad than Pentacostal/Charismatic but even worst than Mainline Protestantism.

[@florodriguez-rivera7651]

I am a new 7th day Adventist and I love how you broke everything down so honestly and respectfully… I was led to SDA by the spirit and will never regret it. Ellen G White is ok some doctrines I disagree. Still learning much but have experienced the love of Jesus so amazingly 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@time_2_get_ready]

I was led OUT of the SDA by the Spirit. Galatians 3. "The Spirit which is the Word of God."

[@Guthix198]

@@time_2_get_ready Revelation 12:17 King James Version 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

[@Guthix198]

@@time_2_get_ready you listen to these men who dont follow God and teach others to follow the Beast? i can show qoutes from the papacy that says the protestants that keep sunday are following a law of the papacy and not the bible

[@time_2_get_ready]

@@Guthix198 Huh? Where did I say I listen to these men? But if you are an SDA, then WHO told you that the first day of the week being the day that Jesus ROSE from the dead, plus the day the apostles met with the church, is the mark of the beast? 😳

[@time_2_get_ready]

@@Guthix198 a) the REMNANT is not the SDA church or any other but it is those from the tribes of Israel. It is written, "Though *Israel* number as the sand of the sea, only a REMNANT shall be saved." If you are pretending to be one of them but are NOT then beware of the terrible warnings in Revelation about those who say they are Jews but are not. b) Which Commandments? There are 613 of them and they are a complete package. b) The Spirit of prophecy has NOTHING to do with the exclusive claims of Ellen G. White. For a start prophets PLURAL are members of the body of Christ and since EGW is not the only one who 'has the Testimony of Jesus" then ALL who are born from Above and who bear the Testimony of Jesus have the Spirit of prophecy. It is also written, "The spirit of prophets is SUBJECT to the prophets" so to whom is EGW subject? Who tests her? And WHO changed the order of the Church to allow a woman to not only usurp authority over a man but entire generations of SDAs?

[@healinghumanity1782]

The story of the Great Disappointment of October 22, 1844 shows us that our expectations of the future do not always come true. Even the best theory fails. Mistakes are not bad so long as we learn from them. In this sense, Adventism is not false. From it we learn something about the danger of proceeding beyond what we know.

[@Jfloyd]

"Everlasting punishment" could be referencing the fact that the death is permanent. I would encourage you to look up what the word "destroy" means

[@cynthiah.a.2182]

I believe hell is eternal separation from God, all that is good, and the chance to turn from sin and toward God. I agree, the (2nd death) is permanent but the soul lives eternally because it comes from God and cannot die. So, turning to or away from God has eternal consequences

[@Jfloyd]

@@cynthiah.a.2182 being eternally non existent is an eternal punishment. Also, Jesus said "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Mat 10:28). If God could only torment the soul in hell, why would Jesus say he could destroy it?

[@ModerateMic]

@@Jfloyd amen

[@avriel6903]

@@Jfloyd My question, really, while I'm not saying it's WRONG or anything, is who actually sees eternal destruction as punishment? Just not existing gives NO punishment. There is no suffering there, which the Bible does give evidence of. If you cannot feel, see, taste, or ANYTHING, then you cannot feel pain, misery or think of anything bad. It simply becomes nothingness. Now, that's not to say that there is or is not destruction, and I would hope for total annihilation, but I see more evidence against it, and more logic behind other beliefs, than this idea.

[@Jfloyd]

​@@avriel6903 Hi Avriel, I appreciate your reply. It seems as if my focus on "eternal non existence" has caused some misconception here. I do not believe there will be no pain suffered by the destroyed souls, only that it will not be an eternal suffering -because the words the bible uses for for hell "perish", "destroy", and "death" require a non-existent conclusion by definition. I do not know how long the pain will be suffered, but even if it is only the pain of knowing you will not be in heaven (Luke 13:28), it is still something. The parable of the rich man (Luke 16) tells us there will be agony in hell (verses 23-24), but it doesn't speak to it being an eternal agony. Assuming, however, the burning will be instant and without pain (which is not the cornerstone of any annihilationist belief, nor is it mine), non-existence itself is DEFINITELY a punishment. Because many (atheists, mostly) believe they will be non-existent after death, they may not feel the gravity of it now, but it will definitely come as a realization after the judgement. If someone were to punish you on earth with a painless execution (maybe, a painless lethal injection) as a repercussion for a sin you committed, wouldn't you consider that to be a punishment - maybe, even, a harsh one (depending on the sin you commited)? You would consider it a punishment because you would know you could have alternatively went on living your life. In the same way, when everyone realizes they had the option of eternal life on judgment day, eternal death (non existence) will become an obvious punishment. As a side note, I did not come to annihilationism as a consequence of my upbringing, but by a desire to prove eternal conscious torment through biblical means. I found there are so few verses where eternal torment can be implied (Rev 14:10 and Rev 20:10; there are great explanations for these) and so many verses where non-existence is meant clearly by the words being used (Romans 6:23, Mat 10:28, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10, and so many more).

[@taylorarnoux-prost2226]

My mom WAS an SDA growing up. She said it’s a very works based gospel even though they don’t admit it but it’s what they promote. Also she felt a lot of guilt in having to keep the sabbath. She also told me it wasn’t until she was about 40 before she realized why Jesus had to die even though she has been a believer in Him her whole life basically. My dad was a Catholic and she was an SDA so also both churches refused to marry them. After that they went to mostly just being a student of the word to unlearn all the bad doctrine. SDA and Catholics are very similar in many ways. Thank Jesus they are delivered from those false doctrines (of demons) and raised me and my family up in the Word :)

[@princesssilver1026]

You know, its not actually. SDAs believe that "the just shall live by faith" but at the same time "to him that knoweth to good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" and "if you love me Keep my commandments (by JESUS)" Its as simple as discipline from parents: Mom tells you not to take that book to school, you disobey, she finds out, you get the consequences. Same thing. If you disobey the commandments, you face the consequences. Simply put

[@Gnoff123]

Hi Taylor I am sorry to hear that. A large group within the SDA have very strong beliefs on last generation theology. I think it must be this your mother met. It does not say that works will save you but that works are necessary for Jesus to return. This often leads to a self-centered work-based faith. As an SDA myself I believe this is a false doctrine and the proof is in the fruits.. Because of that I am glad to say that it is not what the church officially believes. But as it is also mentioned in the video we sadly have many loud extreme groups that believe different things than the official church. God bless and I am glad you have you faith

[@Nancie6290]

I went to SDA for 25 yrs and I can say I never felt they had any similarities of Catholic Church . For one they do not venerate graben images or idols . I was a Pentecostal before . I also take things with a grain of salt and if I did not understand something I just left it alone .To me I never felt they went on works . But as described above .. it’s like when we want I to make out parents happy by behaving , it’s like making our Father God happy by obeying . No good parent let’s their child run wild and be disobedient . I don’t steal because I know that’s Gods way . Not because I think it’s saving me but because I love Him

[@tomjjackson21]

Identical to the relationship I had with our creator, while growing up SDA. I was terrified of God, and was sure that no matter what I did, I was destined to burn in hell. I had so much fear and guilt over each and every sin. It was genuinely terrible.

[@MrKook]

1 Timothy 4:1-5 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. The Catholics forbid priests to marry and the Adventists push vegetarianism. Two sides of the same coin.

[@boobie1967]

So when you say God is one and then Trinity, what do you mean?

[@tremayne12]

Trinity is the state of being three. God the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Three in unity.

[@erickmcgondi1665]

Hey Mike. Have you done the Ellen G White study? Consider beginning with the book, 'The Great Controversy'

[@opheliadunn8724]

Get someone from the SDA church to talk about themselves

[@truthbebold4009]

I'll go on with Mike. He's a great guy and I enjoy his approach to God's word

[@rmack1011]

Thank you!

[@tiffinimakhlouf9196]

I'm not a seventh day Adventist. I am just going through Mark Woodman's( an sda) study on. 'Gods last call'. It is an unbelievable study into how the Sunday became the prodistant's day of worship after they left the Roman Catholic church because of this era, and many more. The link of Sunday worship to the Vatican and papacy. They changed the commandment of the Sabbath as well as idol worship, and by changing them, they show Their authority to who they worship and gettibg everyone else to acknowledge their authority and involve all to worship on sunday- sun worship. If you want to understand why sda hold the Sabbath so high , watch the study, God's last call. Such an eye opener. I'm not changing to SDA, but the truth this man says , the history and everything is backed up is astounding. Hope you are blessed

[@DVGomes]

Correction! The Vatican and Roman Catholic Church and POPE'S have TRIED to CHANGE the Sabbath! They did not actually change it, because you have to GET GOD'S PERMISSION TO CHANGE THE SABBATH and HE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE for anyone! Hebrews 13:8 and Psalms "I AM THE LORD, I change Not"

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

Glad you could see and study and accept truth for yourself, with the Bible as proof.

[@time_2_get_ready]

"God is Spirit" not a day of the week and Saturn's day is no holier or more special than Sunday, you know? But to be IN Christ is to be IN the rest to which the day alludes - why do you follow shadows instead of Christ which is the substance? Maybe if you read you BIBLE instead of countless, faulty books written by faulty men, you would be closer to the Truth.

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

@@time_2_get_ready You shouldn't ne a hypocrite and tell others to read THE BIBLE when you so obviously haven't done so yourself. . Just a little cherry-picking does not count, and neither does listening to smooth, popular preachings with itchy ears God Himself made a special day, called the SEVENTH day Sabbath, and DID make it holier tan the rest, unless you're reading the bastardixed Romanist version. Wnat faulty, nan-alteed books are YOU reading? Being IN CHRIST implies passing the test of doing His commandments, according to Jesus and John. When you begin reading the scriptures for yourself, you will see that. Being in Christ does not mean exemption from the ten commandment law, and you have no rights to alter any of then, INCLUDING the 4th one. If I'm "in Christ " can I also rest from obedience to the other 9 commandments? What a ludicrous proposition. For YOU to tell God what day GOD did and didn't make holy, by degrading His holy day ( Mark 2.28, Isaiah 58) witn the name of a Roman pagan god,is the same order of blasphemy a tje filthy popes who altered rhe da to Sunday in the first place. No place in the Bible at the tn commandments called "shadows, EVER. Since you evidently dont read scriptures for yourself, you don't know that the only law eve called "shadows " by Paul is rhe MOSAIC LAW, not the 10 commandments. The wording in Colossians 2 is very clear if you study it yourself, instead of listening to smooth Apostate preachers or the Catholic creed. The CEREMONIAL sabbaths of the MOSAIC LAW, also known as feasr data, WERE snadows, WERE nailed to the cross. The Ten Commandments were NIT nailed to the cross. Including the 4th one that you wrongly depise, blaspheme, and trample underfoot. The time is now to STOP honoring papal delusions and the lying John MacArthur of this lawless age.

[@time_2_get_ready]

@@TIJoe-te9qu And you shouldn't falsely accuse and make ridiculous assertions. Have you even read Romans 7:1-4? All of Galatians chapter 3? All of Galatians chapter 4? All of Hebrews chapter 4? Do you not know that Jesus said, you must obey every *jot and tittle* of the Law otherwise you are OUT? Do you even know what a jot and tittle are or that there are *613* Laws in total, not just 10? Seriously, "Unless a man is born again, he cannot see (understand/perceive) the Kingdom of God." And you BELIEVE the lying Roman Catholic Church instead of the Word of God that says Jesus ROSE FROM THE DEAD on the *FIRST* day of the week? That the apostles met with the called out ones on the *FIRST* day of the week that you now call the MARK OF THE BEAST?? Gasp! 😰

[@jacobsilume7889]

Thank you for preaching to me...I believe in the SDA doctrine now

[@B58luja23]

Thanks for this Video guys I fully understand now

[@Fortheloveofcoils]

Hi everyone! So I’m currently a practicing Christian who joined the seventh day Adventist denomination due to agreeing with them theologically on the core points. I actually grew up with two backgrounds one being a Sunday practicing church of Christ church when i stayed with my mother And then when I would visit my dad i would attend the SDA. So I saw both point of views and attended both churches all the way up til adult years when I felt a gradual urge to make a decision as I knew for sure there were very contrasting teachings between the two. I chose the SDA church as my home church. And i do not at all regret my decisión. Because i knew after studying and reading what the Bible said what was more consistent. So with that being sad I’ve been within the church now since 2017 and have grown in my Bible learning And it’s been s fun journey but of course with its own struggles. Anyways please comment below if you have any questions regarding this topic or about my experiences growing up etc. I will be as honest as possible, just please be respectful and no trolling either or name calling i Just dont think that’s a profitable conversation n starts falling In line with what the Bible calls “foolish disputes” n to avoid them. Thank you 😊

[@jsmith5443]

Do you give Ellen scriptural authority?

[@sleppynoggin8808]

Well our denominations clash we are both united by Christ, love from a Catholic :)

[@sleppynoggin8808]

@Ray Michaels how are they not Christians?

[@sleppynoggin8808]

@Ray Michaels even tho that sounds absolutely nutts i think they are still “Christian” by name since they profess there is one God, the Holy Trinity.

[@sleppynoggin8808]

@Ray Michaels noted i dont consider them Christians if thats true.

[@ajsandoval2]

Well Allen I don’t think we need to use feelings to get people to back down from their position, but instead use scripture. I believe the biggest issue with the Ellen G white community is that they isolate scripture instead of allowing scripture to interpret scripture and yes there’s a difference.

[@MrKook]

"Isolate scripture..." Oh my goodness. This is so incredibly true. The number of denominations and believers who read Acts 20:7 as an excuse to or a commandment to keep the 1st day of the week while ignoring Acts 2:41-47 that show the apostles and disciples coming together to share a meal and talk Gospel every chance they got every day of the week. Or who cite 1 Corinthians 16:2 as dismissing the Sabbath ("On the first day of the week, each of you is to set something aside and save in keeping with how he prospers, so that no collections will need to be made when I come,") while dismissing Acts 18:1-4 which shows that Paul was teaching in the synagogue in Corinth during his ministry. Then they usually cite Colossians 2:16-17 ("Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.") while ignoring that the Colossians were Jews who kept the Sabbath and the argument (a couple verses down) was with ascetics who were condemning the Jews for keeping the Sabbaths and New Moons, and other feast days. The Sabbaths were feast days. Many people search the scripture for verses they can use to reach their predetermined conclusion. They search the scripture, find a verse with a key word and that sounds good, then ignore everything around that verse and elsewhere in the Bible that give the context in which that verse is to be understood. They deceive themselves.

[@codedee]

@@MrKook amen and Happy Sabbath

[@chukku3871]

@@MrKook Amen!

[@gustavorodriguez848]

Please comment on their beliefs on soul sleep?

[@aerodave1]

Bottom line is, are we following ALL of God's Ten Commandments? Even the fourth one? God tells us in the scriptures to obey ALL of His commandments if we love Him.

[@nanmurray2988]

Thank you for this video. It clarifies things I've wondered about.

[@rkruger5078]

How could it? You only heared the argument from one side. Go listen to SDA defend their position, compare both with scripture in prayer and then make a decision.

[@kevinwagenleitner3850]

The commentary was not from the Adventist perspective and biased against it.

[@Ace-bz2ie]

@@rkruger5078 this is how many people are going miss heaven they listen to other people's points of view on very important life and death issue and come to conclusion.

[@luissanchez2428]

The last time I read my bible it said that the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) not eternal punishment 🤔

[@riveroflife9956]

According to the Bible, though, hell is just as real as heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite and eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death which we have earned because of our sin. The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10). The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).

[@cltheman1960]

The eternal punishment _is_ death, not eternal torment like a lot of people believe. It's eternal death that is executed at the final judgement, from which there will be no resurrection. Sure, there will be pain, but once it's over there's peace when the former things pass away.

[@cltheman1960]

@@JP-we6pi Like I said, the eternal punishment _is_ death. The lost are never promised eternal life, the only alternative is death. The 2nd death is an eternal death, with everlasting results. Notice that the word is "punish-_ment,"_ not "punish-_ing."_ While torment or pain may be involved in the punishment, it is not the ultimate punishment: death is. The process is not eternal, the results are.

[@aribellemetzger3591]

I really appreciate and enjoy most of Allen’s and Mike’s content! I’m SDA and I appreciate Allen pointing out the things he agrees with our church. But a lot of this is not fully accurate. I would like to see him invite a strong Adventist theologian who can explain to you in depth what we believe. I also wished that Mike would have done his own research so that he could comment on these things. I find it weird for him to bring a non Adventist to talk about what SDA’s they believe. Doug Batchelor’s content on Amazing facts ministry actually explains a lot of what we believe. Still appreciate their ministries though!

[@TIJoe-te9qu]

I don't appreciate their leaven and uninformed gossip at all. A little leaven leavens the whole lump! Without proper research and CITING LEGITIMATE SOURCES, which they easily could have done, they proceed to slander the SDA church, and their legions of groupies with itching ears also gobble it up as truth, without doing THEIR own research. And we all know that gossip can go around the world before the truth can tie its shoes . Laodicea is deadly, and we should appreciating it at all. These boys' behavior is NOT mature or Christian.

[@vaio4908]

@@joanarc7963 please give an example of a doctrine that is being thaught by the Seventh day Adventists that is not according to the Bible.

[@MaxShibby]

@@vaio4908Salvation by grace through faith. I never learned that in the SDA church.

[@pauldonaghey4896]

Doug bachelor would claim both of these men are going to hell? Would you agree sister?

[@purplerose155]

Can you explain what was not accurate?

[@lindalaw7729]

Please give some references

[@nightlight7654]

Actually She said that only ONCE THE SUNDAY LAW IS ENFORCED, then those who will obstinate to observe the unholy Catholic instituted Sunday Sabbath instead of the Saturday 7th day Sabbath,who,will then be preached with Power and strong conviction by Holy Spirit filled Messengers.ONLY THEN will they have received the mark when they rather observe the Commandements of Men’s rather than the commandments of God.

[@devinligtelyn915]

SDAs make a huge deal about Saturday worship. Christ followers worship on Sunday because Jesus rose on the 3rd day. Father God wants us to be close to Him, let's read the bible with objective eyes and allow the Lord to reveal what He wants to us.

[@kevint.2706]

@@devinligtelyn915 Where in the bible was the day changed? I don't remember reading Christ saying "Now that I have risen on the first day, it has been sanctified." I do remember reading in Genesis 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made. I dunno, that's what the bible says, maybe I have the wrong bible?

[@jrconway3]

@@kevint.2706 People who make this argument completely miss the point of the Sabbath. The day of the Sabbath was never changed, and nobody believes it was changed. Worshipping on Sabbath was NEVER given in the Law. The Sabbath is a day of rest. It was always a day of rest. Worshipping on the Sabbath was done much later in the history of Israel. In the New Testament the Apostles preach to the Jews on the Sabbath, but they also held teachings other days of the week, including Sunday. Sunday is also referred to in the New Testament as the "Lord's Day" because Christ rose on the first day of the week and revealed himself to the Apostles that same first night, then again on the following Sunday night. It is also told to the Gentiles it is not a requirement to keep the Sabbath or any holy days, and Gentiles should not disparage those who do keep them either. And those who do keep them should not disparage those who DON'T. And you would know this if you actually read the New Testament. Colossians 2 "16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind."

[@godandtodd]

@@jrconway3 beauty said brother

[@cltheman1960]

David Conway Jr. There's a difference between _a_ sabbath day and *_the_** Sabbath day.* There were two types of sabbaths: the ceremonial yearly sabbaths, and the 7th day weekly Sabbath that's referred to in the 4th commandment. It's important to distinguish between the ceremonial laws(man's handwritten law) and the 10 Commandment law(God's law written in stone with His own finger) and they should not be confused together. While the ceremonial laws are not binding, the 10 Commandment moral law is, and not one jot or tittle will pass from it. It's true that we are not saved by keeping God's law because it is impossible to do without God, but keeping God's law is evidence of our love for Him and desire to follow Him. His grace is sufficient. The Sabbath day is about resting from our own works to spend time with Him. Read. Hebrews 4:1-12.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Putting people in mortal fear of attending other churches when they meet on Sunday was her trick to keep them in the cult. She isolated people to keep them under control.

[@Gnoff123]

Nah, we used the investigative judgement for that not the sabbath. Do you even know how hard it is to scare people to church when you don't believe in an everlasting hell??? We had to think of something :P

[@princesssilver1026]

Interesting view. Its not a cult though.

[@rramonalmeida]

It's a shame the video has unavailable subtitles, I'm Brazilian

[@TambahYakin]

Holy Spirit is and will bring us to all truth; keep growing, keep learning.

[@quintessencenevermore2660]

I consider myself to be a non-denominational Christian. I don't cling whole-heartedly to any denomination. I watch Christian videos on youtube from multiple sources...such as RestoredCOG, BibleFlockBox, Cold-Case Christianity, Mike WInger, and more. I use multiple sources and look for two things: 1: Citing the bible, including the context. (No misinterpretation based on a quote out of context) 2: Agreement on a particular idea from the bible or in society. I am not an expert, but this summer I plan on reading the Bible from cover to cover to see if I can get some insight for myself...rather than relying on others to tell me what the bible says.

[@user-vy2hz6fl6x]

This is blatantly off-topic, however, can you take a look at UPPERROOM and the doctrines in their songs? They came out with a song called “love note” and I think it is incorrect theology in the same way that “reckless love” was. Would love to hear about it from you, Mike! Happy thanksgiving

[@tristanbarga5265]

Read the lyrics and don’t see what’s wrong with love note lol

[@homebusinessdad]

I'd like you to post the quote that says "Those who go to **CHURCH** on Sunday will receive the Mark of the Beast"? (This was said in the opening intro of the KZbin video)

[@esaugarnett8059]

Is it biblical to go to church on Sunday?

[@reidveryan9414]

The first day of the week is the day of the resurrection. It's also the day of Pentecost, when spirit fell on the church.

[@Dewfasa]

Woah, God bless, this was very edifying 🙏🏼

[@jlou3340]

Hey Allen and Mike I live in the Bahamas and I meet and work with and have spoken to quite a few SDA’s who are quite extreme and believe these things. Spot on guys

[@kevinwagenleitner3850]

So you know some extremists? Ok, every denom has fringe people.

[@sheff4719]

Yeah the extremist sda members are very conspiracy theory like, hypocritical, and shove their beliefs down others throats. My parents go to an extreme SDA church and they cherry pick to say their right like their beliefs on Hell for example. The moderate SDAs don't really even know about the Ellen white crap and are mostly like a normal church, just Saturday worship. The extremist act like Doug Batchelor is like their new prophet. They live off of traditions and commandments even though Jesus said he didn't came to get rid of but fulfill the law and that the law is obsolete.

[@generoll4027]

can you point to a conflict between scripture and E. G. Whites writings?

[@maleanewborn9073]

I looked this up because I saw one preach this morning, a wonderful message until he got to the topic of hell. He said the devil is deceiving the whole world on this subject. And that the devil wants us to think God would punish forever etc. I see the opposite. I think the devil wants us to believe we will NOT be punished forever, but will simply be burned up and cease to exist. People who love their sin already will have a hard time being deterred by that threat. That you’ll cease to exist? Even after a time of punishment, they see that as “so what it’ll end”. Ya know? I think it lured into a false sense of comfort

[@sethlester1659]

I was raised "SDA" meaning that I had parents that rebelled against their strict SDA parents and simply taught me about God, but didn't go to church. Eventually I went to Sunday churches which upset my parents until my logic of "Sunday is better than no day" cleared that up. Eventually I wound up in a cult and when I left the cult, I left my faith and decided to disprove the Bible. In my studies for contradiction, I only built up a stronger case for God and built up my basis for relationship on three things. 1. God is God alone and is not limited to single personhood like us and has complete authority over everything that ever came into being. 2. Jesus lived the ideal life, fulfilling the law, paying the ransom for our sins and showing an example of how we ought to live, and since ALL the law and the prophets are about loving God and others, I want to love God 10/10, and since the Sabbath is like a date night that God decided the date, I can't expect to have as great a relationship with God if I'm always missing date night with Him, yet I love Him so much that I don't want to love Him just 1/7, but 7/7. 3. God is loving and loves us and Himself. God doesn't want to see us suffer and in the end paid the full price for sin on the cross thus making the purpose of Hell questionable if it doesn't purge souls from existence. To say that Hell needs to keep people sustained eternally in perpetual suffering in order for their punishment to be everlasting or eternal (even if their punishment was being wiped out of existence), is utter nonsense and diminishes the value of the sacrifice God paid. Only three people are specifically stated to actually suffer eternally, and they are the unholy trinity of the beast, the false prophet and the dragon. Other than that the sciptures say, the fires don't go out, the plume of smoke doesn't stop ascending, and the worm does not die there, but there is nothing specifically stated about the duration of suffering the other people who dwell there even though their punishment (suffering/deletion) is eternal.

[@adrianvarela8890]

thanks for posting. GBY

[@jason1carnley]

Glad to read about your growth. I too considered that hell might have a limited time period of punishment for individuals . However, logically it might be literal eternal suffering. We have rebelled against an eternal Father, therefore eternal punishment might be the only fit punishment. In the end we should have faith that our perfect judge will punish exactly how each person should be judged.

[@janetdavidson8798]

God is patient and gives people many opportunities to get saved . I believe the suffering in hell is forever .

[@cltheman1960]

The eternal punishment _is_ death. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life in suffering. The Bible does say "there will not be a fire to sit before, or a coal to warm by," and there are plenty of examples of complete destruction for the wicked. I find that, when you cross-examine and compare Scriptures, The Bible supports conditional immortality, only the saved get eternal life, the unsaved get death, a final, 2nd death at the final judgement.

[@mathieu2moon]

Outstanding share

[@ptperry9013]

Happy Thanksgiving, my brothers in Christ. Thank you for your honest, always thoughtful and straightforward explanations and interpretations of Scripture throughout the years!

[@navion1946]

All they did in this video is judge one church, zero scripture.

[@nenabruce8300]

I’m confused. I don’t have a denomination, but how is the sabbath a gift? Isn’t it a law in the 10 commandments? Dont I have to keep those? I’m new here

[@kimiswater]

I’m an SDA minister. I do not stand as a representative of my denomination but personally I don’t believe that people who don’t go to church on Saturday are lost. The mark of the beast should be understood as the counterfeit seal of the Holy Spirit. A lot of theologians and pastors believe that Sunday worship is NOT the mark of the beast. And not everyone believe in the inerrancy of the writings of Ellen White. I don’t. And although it is true that there are some extreme radicals among our denomination, please know that there are much more Christians who uphold the understanding of the biblical gospel of Jesus Christ. Thank you for sharing your view. I just wanted to give you my thoughts as a born and raised SDA. Have a blessed day 🙏🏼