Jehovah's Witnesses Theology: A Guide (And Critique)

[@altworldly]

Sorry about the random 15 minutes of blackness at the end of the video, still getting used to video editing 😂

[@raffaeleparisi]

I view it as 15 minutes of chill Zelda music.

[@typaul4859]

I was wondering if that was intentional lol. But hey, you get the watch time

[@Danielle-nz9tn]

I like the music! The video was awesome too. Even though I stopped attending meetings as a teen, I’ve only just started (in my 40s) to really process what it meant to be raised as a JW and how it really impacted my life and personality and ability to function in relationships. I think I thought fir years that I got through unscathed bc I wasn’t ever trapped, ie baptized. But as I learn more about what this organization really is and how it truly is a cult, my whole life and so much about how I am who I am starts to become clear. I was never “strong in the truth” so I only ever really understood the main points of the JW theology bc they were drilled into our heads, but my bible knowledge is so poor (bc I found it super confusing and even more boring) that I just never knew how little JW beliefs even reflected what’s in the Bible. So this video is super helpful! Thank you. Love all your videos. Please keep making them!

[@itsmickeyrip2284]

@@Danielle-nz9tn I'm so happy you've shared this. I too, left as a young teen (to live with a disfellowshiped parent) and had a roller coaster of a coming of age. Just now going through therapy as a new parent and making the connections of how everything has effected my behaviors and relationships.

[@liplockednomore]

No worries!

[@ethanw1056]

Wanted to comment early in hopes you see it. Your videos are absolutely fire dude, please keep it up. The way you talk is right up my millennial alley lol. Thanks for the awesome content! These videos REALLY help wake people up. You're making a difference

[@altworldly]

Thank you SO much! You have no idea how much that means. Leaning into the millenialness of it all is definitely a choice, I felt like there was a lack of that kind of tone in the exJW KZbin scene.

[@tommysmith5479]

The problem with this, as I see it, is this: Adam and Eve were perfect when satan was able to trick them into disobeying god. After which Adam and Eve become imperfect. Then god says: "OK satan, you have a go at ruling mankind now. let's see how well you rule." The trouble is, the playing field is not level: satan is being asked to have a go at ruling imperfect people (who now total 7 billion), while god had a go at ruling perfect people (and only 2 of them). So how can this demonstrate anything? The "wager" is totally askew.

[@altworldly]

That’s actually a fantastic point! Might steal that in the future!

[@tommysmith5479]

@@altworldly If you do, just make sure the argument stands up.... :-)

[@Danielle-nz9tn]

Hahahahaha!!!! Yes, that’s totally true!!! How is it that I never even thought of that?!!?!! Oh yes....brainwashing!!!

[@Danielle-nz9tn]

Tommy Smith, your comment is pure gold!!

[@Danielle-nz9tn]

Not to mention, if Adam and Eve were “perfect,” how is it possible that they could have been led into temptation and “sinned”?? Makes no sense to me and never really did.

[@thetwinklegg8121]

You are quickly becoming my favourite Exjw KZbinr! Now to go and watch.

[@terridactal3661]

I appreciate your perspective and rhetoric very much. After gorging myself on all the effective exjw media I could in the last year, you're so deeply refreshing and entertaining. Im only 8 minutes in but I couldn't not say so sooner. Thanks Altbro

[@ssww3494]

I was raised a jw. no one really gets it unless you were raised in it.. much love all.

[@nivlek3234]

This statement is underrated. “Wordly” people could never understand.

[@ronniedarko317]

@@nivlek3234 sounds about right lol

[@HoldemCallfield]

There are a lot of us who are trying to be empathetic. ❤️

[@File_Select]

I wasn’t technically raised as a Jw (as my parents themselves were not into it) but half of my family are jw and I was raised alongside them. I’ve been to plenty of Kingdom Hall meetings and conventions throughout my life. I’ve even had Bible studies as well. I’ve definitely attended more Kingdom Hall meetings than going to church. I definitely get it and my grandmother always tries to get me to continue my Bible studies. I just don’t agree with it.

[@noahdanielg]

I am low-key obsessed with the realistic kitsch artwork of Jehovah's Witness material. Maybe a strange topic, but perhaps you could make a video on that

[@altworldly]

Definitely on the list!

[@helenohara423]

You are a breath of fresh air. Loving your style. No harm or criticism to anyone in this very challenging youtube field, but it's nice to have videos that just talk about the beliefs, doctrines and culture. You remind me of germ. (Diseased apostate). Waking up ain't easy, but your gentle, humorous style is like being gently woken with breakfast in bed.

[@extremelylargeslug4438]

The entire fact that they believe Jehovah intervenes, not only through major events such as the flood, but daily by answering JW’s prayers giving them secular jobs, giving them peace of mind during life crises, and manipulating the minds and choices of outsiders so they will not be persecuted in certain circumstances. (I.E boss who typically gets angry at JW employee for insisting on missing OT for midweek meetings, but after prayer that boss suddenly acts differently and allows the JW to leave work and attend the meeting) This is so problematic in their teacher/student analogy.

[@marvalice3455]

@@johnryan1798 that doesn't change the fact that this would be God exercising sovereignty over the earth, not letting the rebels try.

[@Danielle-nz9tn]

Very much looking forward to whatever podcast you have in store!!

[@krissykatportal]

I could listen to u for hours😊 I’ve been binge watching ur videos.

[@altworldly]

Yay!! I’m so glad you’re enjoying them!

[@wikcez1193]

this is awesome, looking forward to your podcast!

[@melicahdavid]

Your videos are awesome! Please keep them coming!

[@rodywithers3536]

Excellent video, showing the dilemma a “true believer” faces AND the way the GB ramps up the “It’s Your Responsibility” trickery . How any JW can take Splane’s words seriously and not experience a head explosion shows that by far most JWs automatically take the blame for Jehovah not drawing new ones into the organization. Recruitment works? Praise Jah! Recruitment fails? Scrutinise your failed effort. BTW, I studied the 1968 Bible Study aid, “The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life”. It was “affectionately” called “the Truth book” and, among other gems, it had an impressive graph that started at 1914 and arrowed into the then future just past 1975 loudly hinting that year was Biblically significant. This book was “perfect for its time and considered a revolutionary Bible Study aid in its day because at that time Bible Studies had become very drawn out with students failing to move towards baptism. Sounds very familiar. So Splane needs to face up to the fact that in this man-made religious organization, history is simply repeating itself. The more things change…..

[@jwhistorymadeeasy3998]

One thing that got me was the Tower of Babel story. God literally looks down on humans creating this tower and goes Genesis 11 6 Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for them. 7 Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.” So under watchtowers interpretation that’s basically God admitting that he has to actively cause division In order to prevent humans from succeeding. Now I’m sure that’s not what the original authors meant when they wrote the story but it definitely doesn’t fit with watchtowers theology.

[@justinthyme3396]

Adam was evicted from the garden because he insisted on having a beard.

[@davidburroughs2244]

Probably got a tatt and wanted to wear tight pants, too

[@laymanphil8513]

This movement, which should have naturally disappeared by itself after the bitter failure of 1914, has been telescoped (by chance and two or three months apart) by the First World War to finally reborn from these ashes and find new impetus until 2010. This is how the little story will meet the big one for its greatest benefit. Since then, this movement flows from year to year to arrive today with a double generation and -0.6 of decrease and more than 20,000 anointed.

[@annderby6295]

Indeed, the continued existence of the JWs after the 1914 end of the world prophecy failure is entirely due to serendipity! World War 1 was conveniently used to come up with an alternate explanation after the prophecy failure and people bought the explanation hook, line & sinker!

[@pamelabravo8671]

jake finally figuring out how to edit videos in youtube is the biggest w

[@Chronicroc]

Dude! The name thing! I HATE when people use my name and I have a horrible time calling other people by theirs. I've never thought about it in terms of being a witness. Crazy

[@mkultra7940]

Can't wait for the podcast !

[@kayb6803]

I liked the music at the end. I was still fixing dinner when the video ended. I was chilling to the music.

[@darynkatano]

It's not really a fair challenge if God decides he's eventually gonna kick Satan out long before the challenge is even over.

[@Mjsmecha]

Excellent explanation. I think what led me out of Catholicism was kind of related to this. The idea that God only deserves to rule if he truly displays the ultimate benevolence that Christians claim. But when I considered the idea that humans suffer supposedly because of the fall of our ancestors, the idea that some are punished eternally (or destroyed if you're a JW) rather than fairly punished and rehabilitated, the idea that there's no room for dissent or disagreement on issues that don't harm others. All of it boils down to the conclusion for me that God doesn't need to be worshipped, he needs to be questioned and challenged. Maybe he even created sentient life because he wanted other perspectives than his own. But I knew I couldn't serve with blind adoration even if I wanted to.

[@Jexit2020]

I watch this video every few weeks. It's that good!

[@altworldly]

You’re the best!

[@annderby6295]

Thank you for this video! The vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty/God’s right to rule theme was one of the things that kept me in the religion; I bought it hook, line & sinker and no one could convince me otherwise. I applaud your excellent reasoning and deep insight to be able to uncover the fact that we can’t really know whether humans are capable of ruling themselves because they’ve never had the chance to do so independent of the guidance of some powerful spirit creature and, of course, it is not stated in the Bible that God will allow Satan to rule mankind for a time to prove that his rule is inferior.

[@alexanderx33]

6:15 Wow, that is a massive understatement for him to just casually erase the blackboard. Each atom of that chalk is effectively a human being horrifically killed at armogeddon...😬

[@chikifree]

the fact that people subscribe to this mythology is beyond me

[@jmb56220]

I laughed at "reverse Uno card" 😄

[@Jexit2020]

19:30 - _"Only a sith deals in absolutes."_

[@altworldly]

😂

[@annderby6295]

Gold Aussie Girl seems to have disappeared, but this comment is for her: Please note that my point is not about whether the fruit had inherent life-giving qualities or the interpretation of what the fruit represents. According to Genesis 2:16: “And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from ANY TREE in the garden;” (NIV). This would have included the tree of life. It was only after their disobedience that Adam & Eve could no longer eat from the tree of life. So if Adam & Eve did not disobey God, they would still need to eat from the tree of life in order to be able to live forever, so they were never created immortal/perfect to begin with.

[@RichD2024]

Great video. Thank you for showing their non-sensical logic.

[@annderby6295]

How much proof does God need in order to settle the issue of the vindication of His sovereignty? According to the Watchtower, 1975 marked 6,000 years of human existence, so over 6,000 years have passed since the Garden of Eden incident. Meanwhile millions of people suffer and die daily while God figures out whether He has enough evidence to settle the issue. One would think that God would try to vindicate His sovereignty in a way that minimizes human suffering.

[@d_e_a_n]

I’m pretty sure they don’t teach Satan is crushed at Armageddon. 7:45. He won’t be crushed until after the 1000 years. He will be in imprisoned or something like that at Armageddon.

[@annderby6295]

I think you're right about that.

[@ronniedarko317]

Facts...well...you’re right about that theory lol

[@davidburroughs2244]

Crushed is an okay word, as in limited or smashed down, then released to cause problems again after the thousand years, but he's finally cast in the burning lake of fire after the thousand years after he has had his last shot, and then he is done - according to R and the jw theology

[@kauaichronsdan5146]

This really just simply and entertainingly tell their beliefs and pick them apart in a way that makes total sense. I’m literally saving all important points in my phone so I don’t forget anything when the time is right for their intervention lol

[@davidsmith5946]

THE BIBLE SAYS IN THE BEGINING? WAS THERE A BEFORE BEFORE THE BEGINING??

[@LJDavisfamily6]

Great topic coverage. 👌🏾

[@ronniedarko317]

The dislikes are people who had a mirror held up in front of them and don’t like what they see. It’s odd realizing you’re a crazy person. I’ve been there lol

[@johnwalker2147]

Great observations all around! Looking forward to your podcasts and JW's being stripped of their charitable status in Australia. As Tony Morris the drunk would say "explain that one to heaven".

[@andracadicecrawford4256]

Jw theology...sounds like it came from a Thor, Jason and the Organots or Hercules movie!!! Lol smh

[@davidsmith5946]

WHAT DOES JEHOVAH NEED A WITNESS FOR?

[@liplockednomore]

Yay new video👍👏❤

[@scottpeterson7500]

There is absolutely no way I could ever buy into a literal reading of the Bible. Ancient myths and legends with maybe lessons we can take away but not as a substitute for real knowledge.

[@sundance8862]

WT literature relies on the teacher analogy currently. In the 80’s Live Forever book, the analogy was of a parent allowing a medical procedure on a child that was uncomfortable/painful because the parents understood that the end result would be better, even if the child could not understand. Regardless of which analogy they will favor a decade or two from now, it always presupposes that the tree/fruit was real. The tree in the center of the garden. The focal point of their home was off-limits.

[@alexanderx33]

4:15 Awesome, gonna save that one for June 6th.

[@petrpacas]

Hey mate, where do you get your music from? Is it royalty free?

[@davidsmith5946]

HOW MANY WATCHES IN THE TOWER?

[@thewatchtowerstudy4511]

Good video - well thought out - thanks

[@marcilambert2906]

Jehovah seems more like the God of judgemental punishment.

[@jcolterh]

Interesting. It certainly is different than say, a Baptists beliefs.

[@marcilambert2906]

I'm struggling with the part that man has to 'rule' himself? Or God 'rule' us or other people? Sounds more like the GB wants to 'rule' everyone. 🤦‍♀️

[@davidsmith5946]

DOES WATCHTOWER SELL WATCHES??

[@nicosyiallouris1103]

Yessss Rolex

[@Trotoloko]

Yes! And tiny towers too. You can make your own clock tower by buying the watch+tower combo. Very popular!

[@shayquinn572]

You are so funny ha ha....you are an extremely smart for a child ...and to think you can use a keyboard,it will be great when on you 7th birthday you will learn a few more words.

[@davidsmith5946]

@@nicosyiallouris1103 are the watches new or second hand?

[@davidsmith5946]

@@nicosyiallouris1103 are the watches new or second hand?

[@mariuna5473]

Good teachers would not relinquish their authority to a random student. They would tell them after they got their degree they can teach however way wish, till them shut up and pay attention. Then explain their subject in a way that would leave no one in the class in doubt as to who hold the degree in the room. Perhaps if JWs where allowed to participate in higher education they would see why this example is bull🤬

[@pah4610]

15:20 into the video you ask. "Where is the scene where God allows Satan to rule mankind, where is that in the Bible? "and the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. Luk.4:6 Can you trust the devil? Jesus said Satan was the father of the lie. I don´t think Satan was lying here. Jesus should have rebuked Satan, if it was a lie

[@annderby6295]

@Peter Albert Hall God did not state and could not have stated in Genesis or the rest of the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) that He will allow Satan to rule mankind for a time to prove that his rule is inferior for the following reasons: I refer you to the research done by Bible historians who study the ancient manuscripts from which the Bible was taken. They do so, not from a belief or unbelief point of view but from the point of view of trying to understand what happened in the past, much like studying any other historical topic like World War 2, for example. According to Bible historians oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-4 : There’s no devil or Satan character in the Hebrew Bible. The snake in Eden is simply a talking animal. He’s a standard literary device that you see in fables of this period, and later, the kind that you find, for example, in the fables of Aesop. oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-20# : There’s no such notion of a devil or Satan in the Hebrew Bible. The phrase, “the satan,” occurs four times in the Hebrew Bible, in Job and in Numbers 22 and in Zechariah3. “The satan” is simply a member of the divine counsel - ONE OF GOD’S MINIONS whose function it is to investigate affairs on earth and to act as a kind of prosecuting attorney. He has to bring evildoers to justice. And it’s only in later Jewish, and especially Christian thought, that the term loses the definite article - from “the satan” which means “the prosecutor” essentially, the prosecuting attorney - and becomes a proper name, Satan, for an enemy or opponent of God. This later concept of Satan develops as a means of explaining evil without attributing it to God, but that isn’t the function of "the satan" in the book of Job. HE WORKS FOR GOD and when Yahweh boasts of his pious servant Job, the prosecuting angel wonders, as his portfolio requires him to do, whether Job’s piety is sincere.

[@pah4610]

@@annderby6295 You have a point there. I think God knew he had to push Adam and Eve to eat from the forbidden fruit. Very handy to let the "prosecutor" do the dirty work, so God hadn´t to take responsibility for all suffering it caused mankind. Mankind had to go from an ignorant level to a more civilized, to become creations God in the future could deal with. We are now at that destination. Ez.38,39 Rev.20:7-10 The earth has in some way been a hell for many. Luckily Paradise on earth is soon at hand. Rev.21:3-4 Halleluja!

[@pah4610]

@@annderby6295 "God did not state and could not have stated in Genesis or the rest of the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) that He will allow Satan to rule mankind for a time to prove that his rule is inferior...." - God didn´t have to state it. We understand he is not in charge on earth at the moment. He has already made use of his great power, but we can´t yet see it, because God is still in his heavenly Kingdom. Rev.11:17 "And the nations have raged, and thy wrath has come and the time for the dead to be judged, and to give their reward to thy servants the prophets and the holy and to those who fear thy name, the small and the great, and to make havoc of the havoc-makers of the earth" Rev.11:18 "The snake in Eden is simply a talking animal." - Well, was it the Allmighty, who got the snake talking, or was it "the old snake" himself, the great dragon? Rev.12:9 In the Bible there is a clear distinction between God and the "Prosecutor"."

[@annderby6295]

@@pah4610 You have quoted scriptures from the New Testament which refer to Satan. This supports what I stated above: There is no devil or Satan character in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-4. The concept of Satan as an enemy or opponent of God was a later development to explain evil without attributing it to God oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-20#. So Satan could not have been in charge on earth since the writers of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) did not believe in Satan. "the old snake" himself, the great dragon of Rev.12:9 could not have been the snake in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2) since, as I have stated above, there is no devil or Satan character in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament); the writers of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) did not believe in Satan. oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-4. Again, the concept of Satan as an enemy or opponent of God was a later development to explain evil without attributing it to God oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-20#.

[@annderby6295]

@@pah4610 "Luckily Paradise on earth is soon at hand. Rev.21:3-4 Halleluja! " The new heavens and new earth of Revelation 21 will not be established until after Christ's thousand-year reign has ended. If this is the Paradise to which you refer, then you will have to wait for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin and then wait for a thousand years until Christ's thousand-year reign has ended before the new heavens and new earth are established. This doesn't look like soon to me but perhaps it is for you.

[@davidsmith5946]

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT JWS ARE THE VERY THING THEY ARE PREACHING AGAINST...

[@pah4610]

17:40 into the video: "And if this interpretation of prophesy in the book of Ezekiel and the entire book you know goes in with the assumption that all of the above is true..." EZ.38.39 It can´t be true, that Ezekiel is prophesying about the JW in these chapters. It is obvious all about the fleshly jews. The battle will be fought between muslims and jews. None of these people have accepted Jesus Christ as the Son of God. The scene is sat for the final judgement of the world. 2Pet.3:7

[@ingramwright5399]

Love your videos! But yeah, that must be why we like gambling so much. Also why most of us don't tend to blame the cheater, instead the one they cheated with. We inherited it from God!! Now it makes sense. (Or does it?)

[@rosssmith8481]

If Satan does not rule the Earth, then what merit does Satan have when he offered Jesus the kingdoms of all the Earth. How could Satan tempt The Christ, if he did not have rulership over all the kingdoms of rhe Earth?

[@xnouztion2660]

Dont forget there's no possibilities of humans governing themselves and being happy, when we die and suffer diseases, adam and eve sinned not there children yet were are born under the same punishment, yet to live forever is an individual thing but none of us committed that original sin, is it fair?

[@altworldly]

It isn’t fair, and that’s why Watchtower has to assert that THE most important thing in the universe is Jehovah’s right to rule mankind. We humans are less important than “that time Satan said God wasn’t cool.”

[@xnouztion2660]

@@altworldly also what i meant to say is that giving time for us to govern ourselves, while giving us imperfection, disease and death doesn't measure up to be a fair test, all that makes us weak hell we only use 10 percent of our brains, our technology and understanding of the world would be far more advanced, those weaknesses would keep us from truly governing ourselves, when God creates something he makes it self sustainable, the universe, life on earth the animals the plants all these things don't need God to keep readjusting them in order for them to work, the earth is made to be self sufficient just as we were, until we became imperfect.

[@davidburroughs2244]

That 10% thing has been debunked. Turns out the brain multi-processes things but some are area dependent and others involve wider areas and memories are stored and mixed here and there, and certain parts have very specific purposes and aren't interested in other things, some areas can pick up the slack and some things we need our brains to do can't be picked up if the main area doing it is damaged. Some times huge amounts of processing is going on, other times not so much. The 10% thing is kind of the mind idling when little stimuli is going on.

[@pah4610]

16:00 into the video: " JW don´t believe Satan and demons were banned from heaven until 1914." As a matter of fact, the devil was cast down to earth in the beginning of the seventh century. How come? Muhammad was visited by the archangel Gabriel. There was not a true word coming from this angel, when compared with the Bible, so it must have been Satan the devil in disguise. He was never allowed to return to heaven after this, because he had got the mission to submit the Arabian people to islam. He got threehundred years to spread the religion before another angel imprisoned him in the abyss for a thousand years. Satan has now been released to deceive the nations, for the final battle, against the jewish nation of Israel. Ez.38,39 Rev.20:7-10 17:40 into the video: "If this interpretation of prophesy in the book of Ezekiel and the entire book goes in with the assumption that all of the above is true..." - GB has taught JW, that Israel in the book of Ezekiel shall be them and not the fleshly jews. This cannot be true and if it is not true, what becomes of JW. They will not be more special in the eyes of Jehova, than any other christian group of people. If we read the chapters it is obvious, that Jehova is talking about his chosen people, the jews.

[@davidsmith5946]

IM APPEALING TO GOD NOT TO KILL SATAN BUT TO FIX HIS BRAIN....HIS NAME IS NOT SATAN BUT LUCIFER THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR....HIS ORIGINAL PURPOSE WAS THE BEAUTIFULL COVERING CHERUB..

[@thenowchurch6419]

Jw's obsess on the name Jehovah, SDA's obsess on the 7th day Sabbath and the LDS fetish is temples. All of them overlook the infinite Spirit who is God.

[@AschKris]

Why do JWs have such great art? Even the animated shorts are okay.

[@albertafarmer8638]

In short: The JW's deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST - this is deadly: if you believe that our LORD s only a created being you can NOT be saved!!! JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1! HE always existed with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = the GODHEAD or Trinity. Thank JESUS for paying for your sins on the cross and HIS resurrection on the 3rd day!!! It must come form the bottom of your heart. Listen to great evangelists like Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. David Reagan and their guests.

[@nathanc7507]

11:27 are those wooly mammoths? In the middle east? At the time around 4000 BC? I mean come on at least try to not be completely ignorant of biology JWs lol

[@marvalice3455]

Another version of that same picture has an allosaurus too. In the middle east. In 4000 bc.

[@annderby6295]

Adam & Eve were never created perfect/immortal as the Watchtower claims. According to Genesis 3:22 - 24, Adam & Eve could not naturally live forever. In order for Adam & Eve to live forever, they needed to eat from the tree of life. So Adam & Eve were created mortal just like you and me.

[@davidburroughs2244]

The society definitely believes that. Read an Awake magazine article of only a few years ago that said "cats are perfect" but I know of several that have died of cat leukemia and other causes. So, no, the gb does not believe in absolute perfection but rather some form of relative or subjective perfection. It would confirm this to me if they say some thing of the Perfect Jesus would die if he had not been crucified if he didn't find a magic tree some where to eat of its special fruit sort of thing.

[@annderby6295]

@@davidburroughs2244 Not sure the point you're trying to make. Are agreeing or disagreeing with the fact that even if Adam & Eve didn't sin, they could not naturally have lived forever? Even if they didn't sin, they would still need to eat of the tree of life to keep living, so they weren't created immortal/perfect to begin with.

[@davidburroughs2244]

@@annderby6295 I agree with you, Ann. Though, we know the two stories appear to scholars to be from two accounts put together in a fashion that clearly show two different tales both believed to be true by two different groups of people that later became known as one group of people.

[@annderby6295]

@@davidburroughs2244 LOL.

[@rosssmith8481]

Nice try. But if you think that the questions you are wrestling with are somehow better answered by you, than the thousands of the world's greatest thinkers over thousands of years dealing with the very subject matter you are talking about. Well. Like I said: Nice try.

[@altworldly]

When did I ever say that I had the answers?

[@rosssmith8481]

@@altworldly exactly.

[@altworldly]

@@rosssmith8481 Just to recap: you accused me of having “better answers.” I said I never claimed to have answers. And you say, “exactly.”

[@professorx1739]

Friends go to JW.org then go to media then go to programs and events then morning worship: protect yourself from lies video fast forward to 8:45 through 8:51 hear the brother say that, "Jehovah is the governing body!" I was speechless when I heard that

[@carltonbowie5897]

Cool story bro. Should do a video on what the bible is actually about then. I'm not a JW, but only a scrub would incite something and not show the correction. You need to make God somebody in your mind and life. I put him on a high horse because who is higher than God? I think your just someone who gives in, but hey, you keep enjoying that life from Jah brotha 😉

[@altworldly]

You know this isn’t a video about why God doesn’t exist, right? It’s just about JW’s very specific interpretation of the Bible?

[@carltonbowie5897]

@@altworldly right... Again, so whats the bible actually about then bub? It is about what you are arguing it is not. Jah will be vindicated. You think of the example, heck even watchtower thinks of it as a math teacher. No. Imagine a true Infinte power housed in a master monk. Don't imagine a student. Imagine specialist. Each one serves the grand master a purpose. Every student is Gucci until one student says, the Master has a scared scroll hidden from you and if you read it you would be Master. That is what we call a lie. But. Quit focuing on proving anyone wrong and start focusing on proving the Grand Master right. But I can tell in your voice, your heavy with sin and want excuse to live your way. No gripes brotha just saying, if your going to slander the JW' s at least know have a counter argument to what the bible is about.

[@altworldly]

@@carltonbowie5897 It is not my job to show an alternative to JW beliefs, Carlton

[@carltonbowie5897]

@@altworldly nah I know just to slander a narritive without an actual factual rebuttal. I know. I seen a million thinks like you. Like I say. What's the bible actually about then?

[@altworldly]

@@carltonbowie5897 Proving something false isn’t slandering a narrative Carlton 😘 I also seen a million thinks like you!

[@maurinopaule8625]

non sense

[@cybrough]

Your snarky analysis has a few holes in it. Santan offered all governments to Jesus if he would do an act of worship to him. So we learn that world governments belong to Satan and that he wants to be worshiped.

[@altworldly]

How does that contradict anything I said?

[@jcolterh]

Interesting. It certainly is different than say, a Baptists beliefs.