The Detroit Pistons: 15 Years of Failure

[@Alvini_Linguine]

What Team’s Era do you want me to cover next? Let’s do a deep dive 😈 Follow Me On: Instgram: instagram.com/_alvini_/ Twitter: twitter.com/Alvini_Linguine Twitch: www.twitch.tv/alvini_linguine All Links: linktr.ee/Alvini_Linguine

[@passmorekj2010]

The Knicks

[@JonathanBrown623]

Bulls post Michael Jordan

[@cjvaye99]

id like to see a video on the Yao era rockets. I don't think they are appreciated enough and ppl don't understand how close they came to actually winning a championship if they were fully healthy.

[@Brigboy27]

The time between Bostons last to chips like the time between bird and the big 3

[@SikoMC]

really nice video format tho! i love nba history as i only activly watch games since the pre covid season! its rare to see really nice deepdives like this! i'd love to see way more 1+ hour videos like this one in my recomended list then hundreds of 5 minute short videos. i gotta check your video library first before i can wishlist a team's era else i might bring something up you coverd already. again great work tho!! you earnd yourself a new sub. keep it up!

[@levelupreports]

I live in Metro Detroit and have my entire life. I’m convinced that this year we made a blood sacrifice of the Pistons in order to make the Lions contenders

[@Alvini_Linguine]

LMAOOOOOOO

[@cjmitch91]

This actually ain't far-fetched... 😮

[@dtown313]

I said the same thing. Pistons got their chips, so I'll take it.

[@wavyjai9158]

Yes

[@wavyjai9158]

The same year the Lions went 0-16, the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup 😅

[@crisfantom294]

As a pistons fan, let me be very clear and stating that you’re 1 hour and 51 minutes of this deep dive meant more to me than we can be explained. It brought me back to all the years of errors they got us exactly to where we are today. Thank you for the painstaking detail that you put into this video. All the hours that you put into creating this was absolutely worth it. I don’t even log into my KZbin account because I hate the suggestions! But I wanted to login to thank you for what you did here. very dope! One-of-a-kind! Keep up the great work bro.

[@Alvini_Linguine]

This absolutely made my morning. Thank you for the kind words and I’m glad I was able to give you something of value through my video. 🙏 God bless ❤️

[@GBsavant]

Brandon Jennings was progressing in Detroit. He was picking up his play all around until the career ending injury. He deserves more credit and that injury was bigger than people acknowledge

[@lumpy9964]

This guy knows. Looks like someone else was actually watching the games during some of these brutal seasons.

[@billblaski9523]

​@@lumpy9964lol the good ol seasons with Charlie Villanueva, Ben Gordon, Josh Smith

[@LevitheLegend]

For real tho...

[@williamli6563]

brandon jennings made me get into nba fr. i always liked him on the bucks so when he came here i was so excited

[@thequixoticangler3364]

Ya. BJ should've been a top 5 pg in the era. He was special. That injury just killed it. They were starting to get better and they had cap space, then, poof.

[@Romeo-qk8tk]

Incredible to see so much franchise depth in one production! Well done! 🔥🏀

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Thank you 🙏. Now I can enjoy my Christmas in peace

[@starjbarrett6329]

2 hour long vid we eating good

[@bradleydolphin1049]

Looks like you are eating good already 😂😂😂😂

[@Ghosts223NB]

​@@bradleydolphin1049 💀💀💀

[@smolaether]

@@bradleydolphin1049damn man 😂

[@Cpg443]

Like eating somboys dirty ass

[@ididntaskverified3663]

Free eats

[@PeterEBI]

having Josh smith , Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe in the same starting lineup is a great lineup if you hate the concept of spacing

[@Alvini_Linguine]

A absolute deathwish from the start 😭

[@billblaski9523]

Lmao i not really a Pistons fan, but I thought Drummond and Monroe were a beastly front court weren't they?

[@Romanus-]

Might as well just play 5 centers at this point and see wtf happens for the lolz tbh

[@stefanfenwick]

@@billblaski9523yes and no they couldn’t shoot from outside of the paint so the spacing on the floor sucked plus the shooters around them couldn’t make any shots

[@-DCLXVI-]

​@@billblaski9523no. Monroe was a traditional center and Drummond wasn't good for anything but rebounds, plus Josh Smith would be a modern day pf. They were playing big while the league was starting to play small ball because of the warriors. They wouldve been solid in the early 2000s but they were outdated.

[@redluke8119]

My very first game I saw live when I moved to this country was pistons vs Utah Jazz just before stockton and malone parted ways and malone went to LA. I'll never forget that game 7 against San antonio the pistons really could of had multiple chips. Such a legendary run the pistons had.

[@Whitesox_joey]

2015-16 Season was actually their best going 44-38

[@kapo2012fb]

Like the white sox

[@Wreagann]

I think the craziest thing in this video is Allen Iverson’s $19 million contract being the 3rd highest in the league.

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Different time comes with different policies lol. 19 Million is like a role player nowadays lol

[@kokoro_gospel]

​@@Alvini_Linguine Yeah, 19 million a year is basically Alex Caruso money. Or Jordan Poole, if you wanna reach for the higher end of that spectrum.

[@bos3835]

​@@kokoro_gospelPoole is making 29 or 30 mil per year.

[@julius6328]

Well it’s also important to remember about inflation. Using an inflation calculator, $19M back in 2008 is equivalent to ~$28.2M in 2024. Going back further to 1999 when he started playing, $19M is equivalent to ~$36.3M today.

[@mantisshrimp876]

The Austin Daye draft was a bad spot. One note, I totally forgot about Kuester as a coach. The reason he benched those 7 players wasn't because they were late. It's because they were intentionally missing shootaround as a protest against him as coach. The shocking thing is it was the veterans on the team who organized it. you'd think it would be the young guys. But guys like Rip and Tayshaun doing it was definitely not a good look for anyone.

[@Alvini_Linguine]

WOWWWWWWW the crazy thing is I remember when that game happened when I was a kid and was very confused. When i originally looked it up what I said in the video was what I found online. Wish it gave me the full explanation but obviously the internet journalism isnt as good as it is today. Thanks for that, makes things that much funnier.

[@mantisshrimp876]

@@Alvini_Linguine No worries. Still a great video. And it's one nitpick in a overall well researched video. I remember Austin Daye on the bench looking angry wishing he didnt miss shoot around because only 6 players played and he knew he could have gotten some big minutes if he played.

[@jeremyellismusic]

Never forget them laughing him on the bench with T-Mac, too. That dude must have been one bad coach to have vets openly laughing at him like that.

[@Romanus-]

@@jeremyellismusicfor real. You’ve gotta be historically bad to get clowned like that by solid vets

[@billblaski9523]

That's crazy now that i think about, that trade of Billups-Iverson was really the catalyst for the Pistons downfall. Ever since the trade, the Pistons have never regained there elite status

[@DwayneIsK1NG]

As a Bulls fan, I remember those Rip Hamilton days so damn fondly 😭. Especially in 2k 😂

[@VMAGTV]

Incredibly in-depth look into over a decade of this franchise's history. Very well put together.

[@TheRb0975]

I truly respect the great work done on this video, but as a Pistons fan it's sad ASF 😫....

[@Demik.]

I love the punchline "it gives somebody else room to grow" 😅

[@colinryan6465]

This video is great man, as a person who just recently got into the nba im learning a lot of the recent history i missed

[@Alvini_Linguine]

I’m glad you enjoyed it so much my dude 🙏

[@Mg0936]

Another channel to watch is Skap attack, he gives a non biased view of the NBA and breaks down things very well

[@BrmadeJay3]

@@Mg0936he a lebron hater he bias bro

[@cjvaye99]

been waiting for this one. it's incredible how the same organization that built a power house in the eastern conference in the early 2000s that won a championship, made two finals and pretty much made at least the conference finals all those years, that same organization has been this horrendous for the past 15 years. how does that even happen lol

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Poor management to say the least 😭

[@sofakingonmynuts1438]

The starting 5 had 6 conference finals appearances in a row

[@Romanus-]

I mean look at the bulls. The absolutely standard of winning in the history of the modern nba IMO. You have terrible management and they make terrible decisions. It really isn’t too complicated, like any other business if the decision makers are awful you’ll get results

[@Romanus-]

Austin Daye looks like Steph’s build out of college but on a wing lol

[@drosales43]

It started with Joe Dumars... he made panic moves and got fired Down hill from there... when people make panic decisions regarding present absent the future... it generally doesn't go well

[@jamespuso1627]

The Jennings for Knight and Middleton trade really goes to show how long it takes to build a championship team that's gonna compete for a while

[@Alvini_Linguine]

It’s still nutty to me they made that trade when Jennings is a black hole on offense and Knight showed no reason to be traded at all.

[@RunningTheBlitz]

Amazing video. Hard to find this type of docu content on youtube. Please do OKC THUNDER next!!

[@vickyboone-mq1ke]

More longer video's like thie, it's better than what Netflix gives us.

[@Alvini_Linguine]

You flatter me 🤭

[@TheDiesel408]

Pasta man I think you should make a video similar to this but on your team the clips. From bad trades in 80s to load management now I think that would be a interesting video. Love the content

[@Alvini_Linguine]

It’s coming. Believe me. The day they break down the PG and Kawhi duo. I’m about to make my magnum opus 🫣

[@MARSandtheGang]

Pels fan here, really enjoyed your video. I look forward to you documenting my team's downfall!

[@buellerferris]

Your team never had a rise to begin with

[@Joshavelli__]

I'm not gonna lie back in the day when I was a kid although im not Pistons fan I did enjoy watching the Pistons in the playoffs (when Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton were on the team). And after all that the Pistons have never been the same. This was a great video Alvini and hope you have a great merry Christmas bro (ik it's early) 💯🔥

[@Trunxz]

You had the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever when David Aldridge came up talking about the trade.

[@johndavis9321]

What could he have done?

[@silversoulken]

@@johndavis9321Skip him while he was talking like on 2K lol

[@porterwake3898]

Pistons used to be so good. I loved watching their blue collar style.

[@cadecrusader]

It’s been the curse of my Pistons trading away Chauncey Billups in 2008 that killed the franchise from being respectable contenders to a complete joke for a decade plus.

[@h4rshturtle456]

Feel like ruining blake set the course a new

[@t-god2439]

Honestly I think it’s worse being a pistons fan than a hornets fan. When you consider that the pistons have actually seen what it is like to be good for a considerable amount of time. Is hornet fans are still trying to see what that life is like

[@Demik.]

Thank you for making this videos Pistons fan this is probably the best gift I've got from the KZbin world and I mean that I appreciate your hard work you put in this video all your dedication you put in this video I can tell you really researched you really did your hard work I appreciate you man great job

[@kokoro_gospel]

Watching this video right now and I'm enjoying this trip down Memory Lane. If it does well, would you be open to covering the Heat from 2014-2019? (The period between LeBron's departure and Jimmy's arrival)

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Kinda gauging what I talk about next about what is relevant at the time. But I’ll be taking all comments under consideration 😈

[@akeembrown7661]

That’s a good idea that really does feel like forgotten history

[@paulwerline6249]

As Detroit has experienced economic hardship the Pistons have reflected that with the lack of success as a franchise.

[@brickuz]

I often hear people say "this poorly managed team drafted yet another bust"... How much is on the draft choice and how much is it poorly managed teams failing to develop young talent, putting them in toxic environments etc.? Curious what you think...

[@Alvini_Linguine]

It's more on the management for sure. Obviously in some cases you have bad mixes of talent and execution of said talent. Or even personality issues. But it's mainly on the organization to maximize the talent and obviously with the Pistons never tanking, the probability of that talent growing the way they want will be minimal. (Austin Daye, Stanley Johnson, Brandon Knight, Sekou, ect)

[@anthonyemerson2965]

Alvini I’d love to see you take a look at the Celtics in the 1990s-2000s, maybe following Larry Bird’s retirement and ending at KG and Ray Allen’s arrival

[@jolemays3218]

Who would have thought the lions would be the talk of Detroit

[@DGG-DomGotGame]

The current state of broncos football is starting to remind me of Detroit basketball (with the lions and the nuggets as the counterparts in that analogy)

[@Aokoebor]

Watching the pistons is truly hard to watch 2-28 on a record breaking pace the only people to blame is management. They can’t draft,can’t get free agents, and can’t get a player development coach it’s just sad.

[@itreester]

idk whats more impressive, the good documentary or the 2 hour highlight reel of the pistons, with a team like that i wouldnt even think of going through all those games to get that

[@richiethereal1236]

How fitting that this video pop up in my feed on the night that the Pistons make history😂

[@astrowerm]

Watching this made me semi relive this mess haha great vid though. Thank you!

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Thank you!

[@ivaneurope]

That 1st round pick they've traded to the Clippers to acquire Blake Griffin turned out to be the 12th overall pick and with it the Clippers selected Miles Bridges...who was traded to the Charlotte Hornets for their 11th overall pick in the draft - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. This is important as the next offseason the Clippers traded SGA, Danilo Gallinari, 5 1st round picks (4 of them unprotected) and 2 pick swaps to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Paul George. Michael Porter Jr. was drafted 14th overall by the Nuggets while the Bucks selected Donte DiVincenzo 17th overall. All players Detroit could've picked had they kept their pick instead of trading it for a player on an absurdly large contract and with well documented injury record.

[@AccordingSign32]

Those players all could’ve been much better, but then I wonder if the staff would’ve been able to properly develop those players. I’m a nuggets fan and I think Detroit would’ve given up on MPJ due to his injury issues

[@JoelMoore-cf6gr]

Very fitting watching this after they set the record for most games lost in a row

[@TheJJboy]

Crazy to think we still have more championships than most fan bases talking down on detroit

[@Jarretthicks12]

I remember I was 10 when the pistons beat the lakers. I’m from Alabama so no NBA team here but That team made me a fan. I wish we could get back to greatness. We got some nice pieces but it just ain’t working 😢

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

I’m down for a video just like this on the Magic

[@Alvini_Linguine]

I was thinking of doing one post Dwight. Especially now that they are good again

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

@@Alvini_LinguineI’ll admit I wasn’t sure of Paolo but that man is cooking

[@thelive6103]

The NBA has shown that you HAVE to tank to rebuild as the Pistons drafting 8th every year resulted in more than a decade of 30-53 seasons. Great video!

[@FogelsChannel]

Great job, interesting story and great delivery

[@jordane19969]

When they signed josh smith, I knew the from office didn’t know what they were doing at all

[@neilbryanbucsit197]

That Allen Iverson era would've happened earlier if they drafted Melo back in 03. Big Ben saw it too

[@t-god2439]

What? You think so

[@pauladams2489]

You should do a video on the post KG, pre Anthony Edwards timberwolves!

[@pauladams2489]

Yeah, I agree

[@natesmith6013]

Great vid! Love this stuff 🏀

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Thank you 🙏😁

[@gulpss]

Great video but the mismanagement is so painful and obvious even at the time that I can’t watch the rest

[@LEQUIPECOMMERCE]

Well done! Bravo on this level of content.

[@TheKing60210]

Hey great job on this. Im a Wolves Fan but I like learning about other teams

[@talmanyoung1431]

The pistons and Monty Williams especially are killing Jaden’s development rn smh

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Starting Killian over Ivey was genuinely a head scratcher

[@ItsTimeSportsShow]

This man made a 2-hour video on how bad the pistons have been. This is insane. GREAT VIDEO lol

[@yodon6867]

If I was the Detroit Pistons owner. I would have made Chauncey Billups the head coach when he came back as a player at 37. Pay them to retire and he would have been the head coach

[@Trappy-C]

Good thing you are on a keyboard and not a desk

[@Macc31355]

Life long Pistons fan here...this video hurt my soul😢

[@jeremyellismusic]

20:50 The look on Brandon Knight's face when they called his name for Detroit. That represents how much we enjoyed his play in Detroit. I was almost happy when DeAndre Jordan sent in a coffin to the skies.

[@dclayton734]

Actually,the Pistons won 44 games during the 2015-2016 season.

[@Someguy512l]

The pistons could have been a dynasty far long after the early 2000’s. Just some teams can’t play their cards right. The infinite rebuild shoulda ended long ago but bad officiating and trades got em here :( disappointing

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Considering all of this research I put into making this. Yeah there were many ways the Pistons and Joe Dumars in particular doomed them in the beginning. Many great prospects they missed out on because they didn’t want to tank. And then they messed it up more by not developing any talent outside of Drummond (if you consider him developed talent)

[@knection1986]

@@Alvini_Linguine Drummond was a fantastic player and as a Bulls fan I will not tolerate any slander of that guy. Dude can still be a starter on some teams even now.

[@BOnYTB]

@@knection1986lol

[@lakerskid2013]

I think it’s so crazy that for as bad as the Sacramento Kings were for their 17 year playoff drought, they haven’t even had a losing streak that reaches the top 40 losing streaks of all time in NBA history. This Detroit Pistons team might not even win 7 games by this rate, it feels like they’ll be at 5 or 6 wins. I could see their losing streak reaching up to 35 games before they get their next win.

[@illiniguy34]

The Lions are finally good What did it cost? The Pistons.

[@davidehrenberg2340]

pistons really did chauncey and rip dirty by giving their numbers to rookies as soon as they leave

[@mattgomez6676]

As a Pistons, Mariners, Red Wings, and Dolphins fan. All I know is pain and misery.

[@EthanM_]

I need me some 2 hour Alvini today. Wonderful day

[@erdngtn9942]

We had a mayor that was destroying the city for all of the 2000s and after that, I spent all that money a little Cesar stadium after they moved from the palace. So hopefully in the future….

[@feroce82]

Iverson was never the classic pg a team like the Pistons back then needed, he was a score-first guard. Nowadays every elite pg plays like him , but 15 yrs ago having a scoring machine as a point guard was pointless

[@JuanRodriguez-pr2bz]

Great video man, could you make one on the Utah jazz starting when they drafted D Will

[@kietdo1997]

This is such a long video. I don't think I can finish watching it in one sitting. great work!

[@WilliamBrown-jx2xo]

Biggest mistake with this team. Not taking Melo in 2003!!! Pistons probably have 3 chips from that era and still wouldve had a young Melo to build around as the future

[@saj8]

Blame Larry Brown.

[@phomo561]

Drafting Darko Miliçiç over Melo and D-Wade will turn out to be the WORST draft day decision in NBA history

[@lakerskid2013]

He’s the biggest bust to ever win a ring while Adam Morrison is the biggest bust to win multiple championships

[@MrIveyIsBonkers]

The fall of the Detroit Pistons is in tandem with the fall of Detroit itself.

[@fonemkion]

Need a Chicago bulls timeline from you bro 🤞🏿

[@Alvini_Linguine]

🫣🫣🫣🫣

[@ccramit]

I'm a Celtics fan. Post-Bird retirement until the Big 3 were some lean years. Yeah, a couple playoff appearances with Pierce and Walker, but every year was a disappointment since Bird left and Reggie Lewis died. So I def know what Piston fans are feeling.

[@Adog00]

It be nice to see the Pistons break the record. And even get like up to 35 loses ina row

[@trippykidblaze]

It’s crazy, on 2k14 the pistons where unstoppable 😂

[@KingTaylorScoot]

were*^

[@JimK2112]

Can you do a video on the post MJ Bulls (1998-Present)?

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Uhhhh…..Imma need to see this video do amazing before I do a timeline that long 😭. Post Rose I’d be more open to though 🥲

[@afrowonder3172]

Another Alvini banger

[@Alvini_Linguine]

You know it 😎😤

[@klasports8801]

the thing is it doesn’t make sense how the pistons are this bad, this team has the most potential on paper since blake/drummond and they have a good coach, cade/ivey/thompson/duren looks like their future main core but idk what the problem is

[@shyamnatarajan5149]

The league and the refs screwing them. The NBA still has a grudge against the Pistons since the Bad Boys days because they took down their agenda pieces in the Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls

[@apap1586]

15 years? That's nothing I'm a Knicks fan it been 51 years. I wasn't in live in 1973 so I've never seen my team win. Pistons have won 3 in my lifetime.

[@terrancewatts4812]

Diehard Pistons fan and I think Joe Dumars gets too much blame for their downfall. Previous owner Bill Davidson died and that started the chain reaction. When Gores came in he wanted to make an immediate impact and rush it along. Ownership also wanted the coaches fired instead of Dumars.

[@eazymb.]

In my mind Detroit is supposed to be one of the “it” teams in the league. I remember believing Lebron couldn’t beat them. Just feels like they shouldn’t ever be as bad as they end up being.

[@DJLinton]

nothing compares to being bored asl and opening youtube to a hour+ nba video essay

[@pjx607]

Some Detroit fan in 2004 made a deal with the devil to win it all against the Lakers for the next 20-30 years of suffering.

[@ScotNation1987]

Bro I’m cool with whatever era of any team whatever you wanna do you make good quality videos I have loved all of them except the first half of the Kings video and that’s just because the highlights have nothing to do with what you are talking about but the last half of it was great

[@Alvini_Linguine]

@@ScotNation1987 apologies for that. Had some editor issues 💀. Still pisses me off to this day because I still get comments about that Kings video. Glad you enjoy the content 💪

[@XabzintheNBAGuru]

Bro always post when I'm eating, W

[@Alvini_Linguine]

I am inside your walls 🫣

[@XabzintheNBAGuru]

@@Alvini_Linguine don't make me get the bulldozer now

[@Alvini_Linguine]

@@XabzintheNBAGuru That won’t save you 😳

[@Wetbedsheet12]

What a good video you have a new fan in me

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Thank you 🙏

[@Kyal86]

How did Joe Dumars last so long as GM?

[@LambLord522]

People forget that Blake Griffen was HIM on the pistons

[@michaeljosephluy4787]

My comment is the perfect addition in your subtitle: SINCE CHAUNCEY BILLUPS DEPARTURE

[@GM-ew2hu]

Imagine playing the best you can to win a Game. Individually u only can control what you do. And lose 26 straight when u trying. I feel for the young guys on the team not the veterans. They should lead them to a win. No excuses. But the NBA is not easy to win. People don't realize how hard it is to win one game.

[@Amari_14]

Idk when ima watch this but I will

[@TheQuestionsssssssss]

Man I miss Jalen & Jacoby 😭

[@tnertttahcuot8743]

most under rated nba youtuber swear 🫡

[@Alvini_Linguine]

I try my best 😤

[@Romanus-]

Brandon Knight getting drafted looks like he’s at a funeral😂 Dude legitimately didn’t even look slightly happy

[@Trappy-C]

Would you

[@ddotmargiela8285]

The Pistons are so down bad they might as well sign me to a 10 day contract 💀

[@810cannon]

Fire vid!! even if it’s about my trash ass pistons and u didn’t even include the darko draft… it wasn’t needed 😂 you gotta new subscriber man 🤝💯

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Thank you. Hope you enjoy my other works 🫡

[@mixkid3362]

Lmao, I'm listening to this whilst clapping them 116-75 in 2k

[@griffinbrock9077]

Commissioner dynamo making it out the hood with this one

[@_Bogie]

i honestly think people put way too much of the blame on the players. every team plays their own brand of ball and it’s obvious detroit lacks one. pretty embarrassing from a front office standpoint.

[@Alvini_Linguine]

Outside of that playoff team with Blake. The Pistons never had much of an identity. Nowadays it’s magnified with interesting coaching and young players feeling their way out in the league.