The more I hear about Amazon's upcoming Lord of the Rings TV show, the less enthusiastic I feel about it. Join me as I explain why I think this show could be headed for disaster.
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@TheCriticalDrinker3 жыл бұрын
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@TCZ170903 жыл бұрын
Can we get a retrospective of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies?
@thebackpackingangler79543 жыл бұрын
@critical drinker, give one piece a try, read/watch all of east blue before deciding on it.
@johnjaleco56833 жыл бұрын
@@nemo-x you've obviously never read the book
@MisterZ1P3 жыл бұрын
Drinker, What's your thoughts on Amazon's attempt to adapt another literary series, The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan?
@lesserspottedmugwump.3633 жыл бұрын
“I want game of thrones”, is what Bezos said. Then threw money at it. Amazon attempted a game as well, it flopped massively. Wasn’t even released. It sounds pretentious but there is no love of the art, it’s a vehicle to get more Prime subscriptions. Dave Chapelle writes punch lines and keeps them in a jar, builds the joke around it. There is no punchline for this, only soulless corporate greed. Not respect for the master of modern fantasy.
@deooptimomaximo98433 жыл бұрын
"Evil cannot create. It can only distort that which is good"- Tolkien ( we all know this will be a massive abomination)
@theironlukeve55443 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of commenting the same, I'm glad you did. Let us remember that we too are Men of the West.
@GanenRo3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much somes up all of media cash grabbing and ip snatching today.
@lonewolf16253 жыл бұрын
That will probably sum up this shit show. I'm ready to eat all my words but my gut tells me it'll be a shit show.
@CantusTropus3 жыл бұрын
Sums up the entirety of Woke Media nowadays - take an existing, famous brand and turn it into a hollow, Woke shell of its former self. When was the last time the WokeLeft created anything of their own with actual value? Stephen Universe? (and that's with a very, very generous definition of "value").
@meancanadian67643 жыл бұрын
Always loved that line
@ZMAN1663 жыл бұрын
The Lord of the Rings has no nudity. The Lord of the Rings needs no nudity.
@fergalmoore8623 жыл бұрын
Except for the bit where the 4 hobbits frolic naked after being rescued by Tom Bombadil.
@thatguyinelnorte3 жыл бұрын
@@fergalmoore862 Peter Jackson cancelled Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights.
@utrak3 жыл бұрын
@@fergalmoore862 tolkien was blasted on longbottom leaf when he wrote that
@chrissmith76693 жыл бұрын
@@fergalmoore862 Tom was by far the most interesting character left out.
@GeorgeMonet3 жыл бұрын
@@fergalmoore862 Tom Bombadil is why I never finished reading The Fellowship of the Ring. I cannot stand blatant stupidity and that is exactly every scene with Tom Bombadil in it.
@greenpenguin07632 жыл бұрын
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said the fans. “So do I,” said the drinker, “and so do all who live to see such times.
@Vin-sv9fm2 жыл бұрын
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." Like not watching this show if it turned out to be a cringy political mess
@wp12mv2 жыл бұрын
But that is not for us to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us, and if we want to spend it watching The Silmarillion
@TheManticora32 жыл бұрын
see the bright side: it happened in a time when there are still people who are true to the books
@Magnetic18842 жыл бұрын
Lord of the Rings is “High Fantasy”. It focuses on virtue, heroism, and other moral principles. Game of Thrones is of the “Low Fantasy” genre and focuses on grit and more human impulses than ideals. Not to say one is a better genre than the other, but to try to adapt one into the other is idiotic at best.
@velaris25822 жыл бұрын
Amen to that! Typical of greedy corporations to drag a beautiful, bright thing through the mud and force feed it to the masses
@dwightschrute47502 жыл бұрын
Well put.
@emorsi2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right. Hard Fantasy vs. Low Fantasy... almost everyone understands these categorizations and the difference between them. Almost everyone... the writers of that new upcoming shit-show apparently don't. It's the same difference with "Hard Fiction" and the typical over the board Science-Fiction Flicks (you can say "Low Fiction" to it). "The Expanse" is a show of the former and StarWars a thing of the latter. Sigh... they should have asked Peter Jackson to get on board with a new LotR show... maybe he could have done something good. Maybe something really original could have turned into an interesting show...what about a show of an Orc-Tribe which wants to rise above the others... and good aligned humans getting into the way and fighting this tribe. Not a super idea for sure but it could be original and, if done right, create tension and interesting fight scenes... heroic deeds vs. good and evil. And in the high fantasy genre the good ones always come on top... we all want to see that (in High Fantasy).
@Collymillad2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much sums up why I love stuff like LOTR and can't be fucked with stuff like GoT. The problem is things like GoT have become the "cliche" now - stuff like it was an answer to the heros always win stuff previously, but we've had more than 15 years of this gritty bullshit now, it's gotten old. I understand exploring that aspect of human nature, but I'll never understand why people relish and enjoy it. There's a value to looking at it and experiencing it, but so many seem to take pleasure in watching people be complete cunts, there's enough actual misery in the real world.
@TallisKeeton2 жыл бұрын
Dont be mad :) maybe the nomenclature of this literature had changed in recent years but I always knew those terms to be differently explained. High fantasy makes its own world separated from our world - without any portals and magic doors - closed universum without any kind of Anglosaxon sailor who would be sailing to the shores of Tol Eressea to meet the elves and to write down their stories (this early idea was later rejected by Tolkien). Low fantasy is like Harry Potter or Narnia, when you being a wizard can walk our streets and hide in our metro or when you are one of us and can find a door, or portal into another world, like in the forest from "Mythago Wood" by R. Holdstock. Its about two kinds of universum, not about any kind of ethics.
@strafe1553 жыл бұрын
With Christopher's passing, there is no longer anyone to protect Tolkien's legacy from being butchered
@darthkaton3 жыл бұрын
Well Christopher has kids that are still involved.
@joshuapowell68223 жыл бұрын
Winston Smith I think it’s safest to assume that Amazon offered a ludicrous amount of money for them to just give the rights and not interfere. Amazon made over 40 billion dollars this quarter so even a tiny fraction of that would sway most people.
@TH3F4LC0Nx3 жыл бұрын
@@winstonsmith8482 I highly doubt they're woke; I think they're like in their sixties. They may just not have that much control over things anymore. Or they may just like easy money better than integrity.
@cheefqueef64943 жыл бұрын
@Raylan Givens Which is the Tolkien Estate today
@Kevin75573 жыл бұрын
@@winstonsmith8482 The next generation will curse them for throwing away their legacy for penies.
@elmirBDS3 жыл бұрын
New LotR show: "Sire, the orcs are at the gates!" "Well don't be racist... Let them in!"
@tommypemberton34003 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@carcerharlson97673 жыл бұрын
@@chrisjackson1215 It's fine, don't even think about it bro.
@leetlc4413 жыл бұрын
@UCUpLR3uqPmlDNN8NP2EXWfg The stats are OBVIOUSLY faked by the fbi to further the racist agenda of the *SYSTEM* 🤪
@atomiswave23 жыл бұрын
I'd watch that
@IchCharacter3 жыл бұрын
But do remember to show them proper hospitality! Offer them food, wine and your empowered wives that absolutely won't be objectified, that's just Orcish culture, you biggots. And you better remember begging for forgiveness for being born male.
@fenggula78902 жыл бұрын
Lol, Lord of the Rings trilogy isn't just one of the best book-adapted films to have ever been made. It's arguably one of the greatest trilogies/individual movies ever made. Period.
@kellyc79022 жыл бұрын
Period.
@EstherHulst-Artist2 жыл бұрын
Its the only series where i have a though time chosing between re-reading the books or watching the movies again because their both masterpieces
Amazon: (makes woke LOTR for $1 bil) Original LOTR movies: Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power.
@DARisse-ji1yw2 жыл бұрын
That you Nolan ?
@sebastianb.39782 жыл бұрын
*points like Cap* I understood that reference
@ralphnewcomejr2 жыл бұрын
Well said,we don't NEED everyone's sexual preference shoved in our face,we need to know if they can FIGHT EVIL!
@marbellaotaiza801 Жыл бұрын
@@sebastianb.3978 Looks confused like Thor "I don't..."
@mrBluesky19862 ай бұрын
Not even a fraction , none at all
@gankgoat83343 жыл бұрын
The Fan base: "Throw it into the fire!" Corporations: "No"
@robertmaybeth34343 жыл бұрын
The present state of hollywood film making (that is, extremely bad films seem to be the only ones) will only change when the public as a whole votes with their wallets. I believe that Hollywood is so completely devoid of creative energy that they'd finance a multi million dollar film about a clock that gets shit on if they were guaranteed the foreign markets.
@user-yt2xv1gs7l3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I thought only the fan base was talking about it, actually nobody gave a sh***. They just want to ride the GOT wave left by a poor last season
@hungarianbeast3 жыл бұрын
@@user-yt2xv1gs7l Now every studio wants to put their greasy hands on any available fantasy IP. But GOT was a lighting in a bottle, it's success wont be duplicated. But because they think that all people are stupid, we gotta endure the shitty Witcher series that is only being adopted couse the female lead has a lesbian relation in later books. We will have the shitty wheel of time, couse one of the strongest factions in that universe is a female sorcerer group, but they will be even strongerer. We also got a horrible disc world adaptation. And the cherry on the shit cream will be this lotr series... I hope it flops hard!
@user-yt2xv1gs7l3 жыл бұрын
@@hungarianbeast ok but , I did find the Witcher not that bad. I am biased thought, I loved the games.
@theatfshotmydog82243 жыл бұрын
@@user-yt2xv1gs7l dude I love The Witcher too, but you got to admit, the show was absolute dogshit in terms of writing and casting.
@ryangunwitch-black3 жыл бұрын
As much as I love boobs, they just don’t belong in Tolkien’s stuff.
@charleyking89313 жыл бұрын
The sex in Game of Thrones didn't feel out of place because of George Martin's world building and how it was used for character development, but Amazon probably just gonna throw it in LOTR for the sake of having it and being "edgy" or whatever. Just because it worked for one fantasy show doesn't mean it needs to be a staple of every show in the genre, because then it just becomes a trope.
@LoneSilverW0lf3 жыл бұрын
Sex sells, this is true. But it just goes to show how much of another level Tolkien is.
@dhilipans54123 жыл бұрын
@@LoneSilverW0lf gotta agree on that
@hurrdurr21223 жыл бұрын
Idk, "Bored of the Rings" was pretty good.
@aleksander84973 жыл бұрын
GoT and LoTR are vastly different. Anyone who has read both book sets will tell you.
@sinnytax Жыл бұрын
"If this show follows the current trend, it'll probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero." The Critical Drinker foreshadowing Rings of Power. And I still can't believe they did that.
@leandroschenone72532 жыл бұрын
"Tolkien's old-fashioned wholesome idealistic view doesn't fit in particularly well to today's weird nihilistic postmodern creative wasteland where nothing is right or wrong, nobody is good or evil, and nothing we do means anything" ... this resume all the problems with what ROP propose.
@felixtla932 жыл бұрын
That's exactly why I loved heroism of Halo and LOTR. Inspire hope and courage not lose hope..
@adamkalb1 Жыл бұрын
I hate how much most people who dislike Cruella and Disney's live-action remakes of animated films, seem to ignore and forget the existence of the Descendants trilogy just because they are Disney Channel TV movies. Those had very faithful writers and directors who know that some things _are_ right or wrong. The whole concept of Descendants is that some people can be good or evil, they may not always be as good or as evil as their parents are, and people who start out as villains can learn to become heroes (which also happens in The Bad Guys). I really think The Critical Drinker will enjoy Descendants if he watched it, because it does not change and twist the character of earlier villains like Cruella did. September 13, 2022, 1:00am
@silverscorpio243 жыл бұрын
"All Sauron wanted was to marry his gay lover." -- This new show, probably
@DRAGON_NUTZ3 жыл бұрын
"One cock ring to rule them all."
@badgerello3 жыл бұрын
SouthPark already did it.
@theblade12513 жыл бұрын
Every Yaoi Morgoth and Sauron Fanfic Ever
@control40503 жыл бұрын
Sauron was a bisexual gay activist. Ofcourse he's gonna marry his gay lover. Gay here is a gender neutral term and does not mean only men loving other men but also woman loving other woman. Now I don't want to sound a sexist but men and woman are equal to transgenders. Not that transgenders are different people.
@soonerfrac46113 жыл бұрын
Now I know why I’ve been hearing that lefties had been going after Tolkien. Hell, even the Tolkien society is in on the BS critical race theory crap.
@obamabinladen30313 жыл бұрын
As far as I’m concerned, the extended cut of LOTR is the only cut of LOTR
@Liam114333 жыл бұрын
Ah, a man of culture
@lonewolf16253 жыл бұрын
Fairer words have never been spoken.
@danapaul32163 жыл бұрын
You are correct
@chrispalmer33303 жыл бұрын
My wife and I watch the extended cuts once a year
@rudolphschmidt3133 жыл бұрын
Yeah but that has the worst scene in any movie ever. When the witch king kicks Gandalf ass is so stupid and wouod never happen thats like the joker cutting off thanos' head
@yojimbe12 жыл бұрын
Judging by how Amazon slaughtered Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time book series, I expect nothing but a "woke" disaster.
@rodrigorincongarcia7712 жыл бұрын
There was an old rule in the movie business: If the story is good then the movie will be good, so you had to find a good story and try to make a movie out of it. Now instead you are supposed to hire a diverse cast (no matter how good or bad, just diverse) and see what story you have to mutilate to make it fit with that cast. And that's how you get that... thing.
@Ricardo-cl3vs2 жыл бұрын
It's even more evil and vile. It's obviously about destroying everything straight, white men love and cherish, only ro watch them cry. It's always the same: Take an established, successful franchise and destroy and humiliate their white, male heroes and replace them with women/blacks/gays. There is a long, long lists of ruined franchises by now. Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Masters of the Universe, James Bond, Marvel, etc. Indiana Jones will be next. "Diversity" is, was and always will be a code for "less white men" and yes, that's as racist as it sounds!
@xminusone1 Жыл бұрын
You are unfortunately right.
@kennystephens70983 жыл бұрын
U forgot the biggest reason it will suck: they fired Tolkien expert Tom Shippey from the production. He worked on PJs trilogy and was going to work on this but was given the boot by Amazon, probably after he protested the inclusion of black elves or something
@AimForMyHead813 жыл бұрын
"Black elves" I hope that happens because it will be hilarious how ridiculous they will look lmao
@noahmarietta73463 жыл бұрын
@@AimForMyHead81 since they are incorporating our reality into their show, will Riverdale be a crime ridden shithole?
@iandemoraes3 жыл бұрын
@@AimForMyHead81I see no problem of humans in TLoTR having every natual color, but elves? They ARE WHITE. THERE IS NO MIX. Dude, they are messing all up for representation, but at what cost?
@butthz88503 жыл бұрын
Nah, they'll have a band of Oriental elves, for that sweet China money.
@kennystephens70983 жыл бұрын
@@noahmarietta7346 riverdale ? Lol. I got u , Rivendell. Or maybe even Dale.
@CANTHATEmeNAME3 жыл бұрын
I’m black and I really don’t want to see them make it “diverse” bc this is European lore.
@good-tn9sr3 жыл бұрын
Same I’m Asian and wouldn’t care at all if everyone in the show was white because that’s how it is in the books. Now if they whitewashed the people in Crazy Rich Asians then I would probably be pissed 😂
@quangthuyoan95763 жыл бұрын
Wait until they cgi the black and asian into european. Disney may pull the same move with snow black ( not trying to bodyshame snow white actor of disney. The one to blame here is disney and their hidden agenda)
@good-tn9sr3 жыл бұрын
@@quangthuyoan9576 🤣 wth
@CantusTropus3 жыл бұрын
I'd be genuinely interested in seeing an adaptation of some stuff from the various African folklores, if it was done well. Too bad the WokeLeft aren't actually interested in doing things like that.
@CANTHATEmeNAME3 жыл бұрын
@@CantusTropus Ofc theyre not. That’s why its fake woke. Instead doing our own stories let’s just make their stories but black
@Dryxxxa2 жыл бұрын
"Yeah, romantic relationships were still a thing" Proceeds to show Gimli and Legolas. Good one, that got me cracking up.
@matthewmitchell34572 жыл бұрын
One of the best bro-mances in history, challenged only by Fezzik and Inigo.
@williamwhite48402 жыл бұрын
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" ~Tolkien
@genzboi41252 жыл бұрын
Damn that hits close to home. Good comment
@Der_Pringels2 жыл бұрын
Thats a fake quote by Tolkien by the way...
@fhlostonparaphrase2 жыл бұрын
@@Der_Pringels Its a paraphrase at best, right?
@Starman2562 жыл бұрын
good one dude, its not like weve all seen that fake quote 200 fucking times already
@Hennu_TRM2 жыл бұрын
Try this actual Tolkien quote instead: "The failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.”
@MDTako2 жыл бұрын
Sauron watched his mom get pushed off a cliff by hobbits.
@jeanpaulchristian32822 жыл бұрын
Well if she was dressed like Sauron would you not want to get the torches and pitchforks out?
@Girlilla2 жыл бұрын
🤯🤯🤯🤯
@scottski022 жыл бұрын
Sauron was only trying to give Middle Earth much needed diversity
@Ellebeeby2 жыл бұрын
So THAT's why he wanted a hobbit-skin robe!
@MDTako2 жыл бұрын
@@Ellebeeby everyone knows hobbit hide boots are without equal
@bunnywithakeyboard76283 жыл бұрын
Nobody wants to see Gandalf the Fabulous pull the One Ring off his “wizard’s staff” and offer it to a woman with a lecture on how “the hearts of men are too easily corrupted,” especially anyone who remembers Galadriel’s speech of how she’d be corrupted.
@macrowave37843 жыл бұрын
YES
@iHaveTheDocuments3 жыл бұрын
Gandalf the ghey
@charlesdog97953 жыл бұрын
Don't forget he'll probably be wearing a rainbow robe during his 'transition'
@KindestofWinds3 жыл бұрын
@@iHaveTheDocuments I actually choked on my food. Well done
@davidcasas37583 жыл бұрын
Nothing is safe from Soros/Disney and their destruction of western culture with the Rainbow Alphabet Mafia.
@garrytalaroc2 жыл бұрын
No matter what happens, we have LOTR Trilogy, and I'll watch this again and again till I'm old to live. It's just sad that no movies up to this day comes close to how good these piece of art is.
@cb2000a2 жыл бұрын
Most good movies have already been done. Hollywood has become the producer of garbage.
@sergiosatchikuata99222 жыл бұрын
Am with you bro I have search but up to date nothing is on the level of LOTR
@Durzo12592 жыл бұрын
Hollywood has probably plummeted in quality because they've failed to increase diversity hiring enough. If they fire the ALL straight-cis-white people we'll finally reach the stars... and if we don't, it's because everybody's bigots.
@alexanderzack3720 Жыл бұрын
until they decide to reboot it..... i hold no hope whatsoever that at some point they will.... i can only hope that i won´t be around to witness it
@jimmyb792 жыл бұрын
The images Amazon recently released look pretty telling. Prepare for disappointment if you even vaguely care about the lore/world Tolkien painstakingly crafted.
@CChissel2 жыл бұрын
Why? It’s a fanfic, it’s completely separated from the source. It will be awful but it’s in no way canon and it’s not hurting anything.
@JoeMama-tu4rn2 жыл бұрын
yes it does? it includes “younger versions” of characters from lotr such as galadriel and is supposed to be a show about the history behind middle earth and how elves, dwarfs, men etc came to be. it’s based off of the silmarillion, which tolkien wrote. it’s canon. and it’s gonna be a shitshow. it’s most likely going to be a disgrace to all of tolkien’s works and won’t go off of the actual books. if you watch the trailer, you’ll also notice that they didn’t even follow the descriptions of the different races of middle earth, such as elves always having very long hair, dwarf women having beards, etc. they’re not following the books and it’s not right.
@Maceta4442 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-tu4rn They didn't got the rights to the Silmarillion.
@JoeMama-tu4rn2 жыл бұрын
@Maceta you’re kidding
@Maceta4442 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-tu4rn Nope. Look it up. Just the appendices.
@voidist13 жыл бұрын
There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery.
@theindigoboogeyman2433 жыл бұрын
Dwarvish?
@witchhazel41353 жыл бұрын
😂😂 Good one! I heartily agree.
@voidist13 жыл бұрын
An Amazon should know better!
@thespyingeyeofmordor2 жыл бұрын
DOWN WITH BEZOS!
@Fedekpc2 жыл бұрын
@@voidist1 Look, the fans! They're moving!
@logicaldude36112 жыл бұрын
"I also suspect that Tolkien's old-fashioned, wholesome, idealistic view on good versus evil doesn't factor in particularly well to today's weird, nihilistic, post-modern creative wasteland where nothing is right or wrong, nobody is good or evil, and nothing we do means anything." You couldn't have taken the pulse of today's storytelling any better than that.
@connormcmillan67612 жыл бұрын
You’re so right and it hurts so bad to know that
@klo48802 жыл бұрын
Isn’t good vs evil still a massive thing in story telling? I think it’s just refreshing to have something more nuanced + it’s more true to life. Real life isn’t black and white. (Ps, what’s wrong with post modernism and nihilism?)
@klo48802 жыл бұрын
@@connormcmillan6761 how so?
@connormcmillan67612 жыл бұрын
@@klo4880 because it’s bad for you, yes nuances are interesting but humans need to believe in something to feel assured that the life that they are living has meaning. Almost all modern depression and anxiety and aggression comes from a lack of purpose/direction and a underdeveloped sense of belonging in a community with like goals and morals/virtues. Replacing that with nihilism is the antithesis of the human experience and those who claim that “realizing that nothing matters and everything is permitted” is the highest point in natural understanding are actually going against nature, and they will win nothing but the bitter feeling of loneliness and aimlessness. Essentially, they miss the whole point of being a human, which is to believe in something, and to help build up that belief.
@connormcmillan67612 жыл бұрын
@@klo4880 also you’d be surprised to notice that more “bad guys” these days are just that, misunderstood and lost, not evil. When some things are just that. Evil. But it takes courage today to say something like that and stand by it. That there are certain beliefs, cultures, ideas, systems, religions, etc that are less valuable than others. THATS what we mean when we say that “nothing is ever painted as absolutely wrong, it’s all just a matter of perspective”. But that is NOT what Tolkien espoused and I feel much the same way. That does NOT mean that I don’t tolerate those other systems of thought, remember that support and tolerance are two very different things and tolerance is all we can ask of someone, never belief. You change belief by living a life that is fundamentally better and that makes it more attractive to outsiders
@TheWilyx2 жыл бұрын
Amazon doesn't even have the rights on the Silmarillion... they are working based on the Appendices on LOTR
@r3mxd2 жыл бұрын
im back here. 7 months ago i thought u might be wrong. 7months later u nailed it. Woke of the ring series is 100% official and ruined thanks to amazon
@Megatron_953 жыл бұрын
Too bad the Tolkien Estate couldn't shut this project down after Christopher's passing. Lord of the Rings doesn't need nudity Wasn't expecting this many likes. Thank you
@MrMetalhorse3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, not every story need to be so fucking dramatic. Lord Of The Rings was serious when it needed to be but it was still light hearted fun at it's core
@TH3F4LC0Nx3 жыл бұрын
Lord of the Rings is quite possibly the least sexual story ever told. How/why they wanna shoehorn nudity into something that originally had no romantic leanings whatsoever is beyond me.
@lucastolter63443 жыл бұрын
Fact
@ikoandreas50853 жыл бұрын
@@TH3F4LC0Nx you lost me at ‘’no romantical leanings’’. We just finna forgot Sam and Rosie, Aragorn and Arwen, Eowyn and Faramir, and Gollum and Frodo?
@knox79453 жыл бұрын
@@TH3F4LC0Nx it did have romance in it, it just wasn't the focus.
@DaBigArmyDude3 жыл бұрын
*Bezos is as trustworthy a steward to Tolkien’s legacy as Denathor was to Gondor’s.* Oddly, this is exactly Tolkien’s whole message: everything is getting worse, the pursuit of power and machines destroy the beauty of a quiet life.
@briancrooks59823 жыл бұрын
Well said sir, well said….
@zimriel3 жыл бұрын
Rod Dreher is looking more and more like Tolkien's heir these days.
@SpottedHares3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact in the book Denathor came across Sauron will using the palantíri , Sauron tried to corrupt him but surprisings Denathor proved to have will strong enough to resist Sauron. But he became consumed by how hopeless it all seemed from seeing what he was up against.
@lukeskywalkerthe2nd7733 жыл бұрын
Gabriel H. I couldn't agree more! :(
@nanky4323 жыл бұрын
Here, here!
@kellyc79022 жыл бұрын
Amazing and very accurate commentary on the corruption of movies nowadays. I’m so glad there are still people that understand the importance of good stories with good morals that don’t need sex and grittiness to be “good.” I really hope Bezos doesn’t go through with this.
@PavlaSondova Жыл бұрын
“… it will probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero.” Damn this aged well… sadly. :(
@SuperfluousMoniker3 жыл бұрын
Bezos: "I want Lord of the Rings to be the next Game of Thrones" The multiple levels of stupidity contained in that short thought makes my head hurt and I think I need to lie down just from hearing it.
@TheMeta1413 жыл бұрын
you want a show filled with sex.nudity.swearing and will ultimately be the single biggest letdown in television history?
@347Jimmy3 жыл бұрын
"I want to fudge the ending so hard that the fanbase turns against the material itself, so hard that it almost immediately disappears from popularity"
@justajawausingwifi46423 жыл бұрын
@Turd Ferguson *the richest* They should leave him in space like General Zod
@nihili41963 жыл бұрын
I mean, just the fact that GoT is in its core a subversion of Tolkien's writing, and Martin is pretty open about it tells me that Bezos never read either of them. He just saw that dark fantasy story about monsters attacking humans sells well so he thought of another fantasy story with very vaguely similar plot and thought they're basically the exact same thing. My head hurts too, you're not alone
@user-on7jo8nu2y3 жыл бұрын
@Turd Ferguson my bet is that he didn't even like games of throne.
@trevorp81243 жыл бұрын
Betcha didn't know Celebrimbor learned everything he knows from his flawless and overbearing Haradric girlfriend.
@roque873 жыл бұрын
Wasnt he married and had a daughter?
@rexnas81503 жыл бұрын
@@roque87 yeah they taught him everything cause he's a putz and not actually a competent man. Not even Tolkien knew lol
@mathewhex70453 жыл бұрын
Who did what now?
@TheAcad3mic3 жыл бұрын
@@mathewhex7045 The creator of the rings of power did so at the behest of a woman. Probably. Or it was really his wife that did it all along and he just took the credit because ancient beings of incredible power and knowledge capable of creating timeless wonders and with direct connections to angels and the devil himself, well, they just don't like women, like all other men everywhere ever.
@Davidguy573 жыл бұрын
This.... this is what we're going to see...isn't it?
@ih82r82 жыл бұрын
I will NOT NOT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT be watching any revision, remake, reboot or generally disgusting cash grab. The real LOTR was made by people who loved the books and wanted to preserve it as best they could. The Hobbit was a huge mistake.
@MichelleBln2 жыл бұрын
You know, I always wonder what people that scream for “more diversity in media so that I feel represented” think white people feel like when consuming media. I am a white straight female. I never, ever in my life identified with a character just because they were also white straight females. In Harry Potter I identified most with Harry because he has many flaws I recognize in myself but overall is a good kid. Faramir is my favorite character in lotr because how could you not like him?! And I loved Cersei in GoT because she made a good villain but dear god I hope I’m nothing like her. And even if all of these characters were black, gay or whatever I wouldn’t care because it wouldn’t change the fact that they are great fictional characters. So can we please stop this inclusivity BS (especially when it disrespects the source material) because in good storytelling there is much more to a great character than just race, gender and sexuality.
@coldcrush59212 жыл бұрын
They're degrading mankind putting value only in the lowest denomination of a person just color and sex. The woke's slogan is "read a book entirely by its cover."
@lucymay4462 жыл бұрын
Well the main reason is because people of different race, colour, gender identity, sexuality deal with different issues. So if there are films that only portray cis straight white people dealing with the usual cis straight white people problems it's harder for a larger range of audience members to relate to or understand the characters problems. That's not the say that cis straight white people don't share common flaws or issues in life, however, there are many problems we'll never experience because of our whitenes/gender/ sexuality. It's important to show diversity in media because the world is diverse and come with a diverse range of issues that people go through. So it's important to show audiences the lives and issues that people go through not only for relativity but to educate too. If you're making new media in today's climate than you need to be aware of what audiences what and need, that being diversity. Would it really be so bad if diversity was integrated into the characters (and done so correctly)?
@azaldie2 жыл бұрын
@@lucymay446 The issue isn't inherently about inclusivity in modern media, but rather when that inclusivity doesn't make sense relating to the source material. It doesn't do to apply our real-world issues to the fictional media for the exclusive sake of inclusivity or representation. I suppose it's fair to disclose that I don't speak for everyone, but I'm watching fantasy movies ETC to *escape* from our reality, not to have it's issues reinforced upon me by throwing illogical casting into the mix for the sake of inclusivity, when the source material clearly states something completely different or a character all of a sudden looks nothing like they've been detailed to look like in the source material. I'm sorry to break it to people, but if a viewer is incapable of detaching their reality from the fictional narrative they're watching, then there's a whole other problem to be talked about.
@MsEnglishtea2 жыл бұрын
I agree! I never compared myself to characters in books and in movies solely by their colour of skin, or their gender. I would see myself in them by who they are as characters. I, unfortunately, am not much of a Harry Potter fan, I am more of a Tolkien and Frank Herbert fan of Dune and Lord of The Rings. I saw myself as Frodo, Sam, and even Aragorn, he is quiet, seeks people who he can place his trust on, he is also passionate and deeply loves. All of these characters are males. I don't need to connect with a female character just because I am a female. I love and admired Tolkien's work since I was a kid, now I'm seeing being bastardized by a lying activist that claims to be a Tolkienian scholar.😔
@MichelleBln2 жыл бұрын
@@lucymay446 look, in general I totally agree with you. Of course diversity in media isn’t generally a bad thing, quite often it is a good thing. But that doesn’t mean that every single form of media has to be diverse. Lotr is not a diverse story and there is a reason to it. Tolkien created middle earth as a love letter to northern European folklore. Guess what, Northern Europeans are white. And that’s the big issue here. If big media corporations would diversify African folklore or folklore inspired stories by race swapping characters what would people say? They would be outraged. But in this case it’s ok?! Amazon can create as much diverse media as they want to. But than they should write it themselves. Create your own universe, put in decades of hard work like Tolkien did. But don’t take the source material, claim it’s “racist”, shred it to a thousand pieces, insult an entire fan base and PROFIT off of it.
@adamparris83533 жыл бұрын
Best case scenario: Amazon's show sucks and becomes forgotten and obscure, and the Peter Jackson trilogy remains what everyone remembers.
@Gladerunner21133 жыл бұрын
And cancelled in one season like Jupiters Legacy
@anttt79933 жыл бұрын
likely
@bilbo_gamers64173 жыл бұрын
alongside the bakshi version ofc
@andrewhawking78933 жыл бұрын
That's the only scenario
@3souris3 жыл бұрын
I agree. Whatever combo of prequel, Simirillion, and diverse & awful writing appears, the ashes of it will soon blow away after the scorching excoriation it receives from critics, fans, non-fans, and aliens alike. The the one and only trilogy will shine even brighter, ready to take on the challenges of the 2020s, the 30s, 40s and beyond!
@happyhammer13 жыл бұрын
Tolkien explicitly wrote Lord of the Rings as an Anglo-Saxon myth. He flat out said it.
@aceambling76853 жыл бұрын
In other words LoTR belongs to WASP's. No one else may touch it.
@happyhammer13 жыл бұрын
@@aceambling7685 precisely. Preferably under pain of death.
@KYoss683 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly. he wrote it as a British/english/anglo-saxon/etc myth because they had no mythology of their own, King Arthur was mostly borrowed from france.
@DeplorableMinecrafter3 жыл бұрын
@@aceambling7685 Tolkien was Catholic. :P
@aceambling76853 жыл бұрын
@@DeplorableMinecrafter a bold move, my respect for him only grows. *IACOBVS REX*
@NikovK2 жыл бұрын
There's seven houses of the dwarves after the seven fathers. Longbeards, Firebeards and Broadbeams (the three lineages we read about in the Silmarillion, Hobbit and Lord of the Rings), but there were also Ironfists, Stonefoots, Stiffbeards and... Blacklocks. Those four houses were off in the far east and south, beyond the West. We know Far Harad men had darker skin. I liked those exotic, distant armies in bronze arriving. It made the world feel naturally diverse like the world was in the middle ages, far-flung peoples with wildly different appearances and cultures. But here we just have a dark-skinned dwarf princess, apparently dropped into the Longbeard line of Durin. Why? If they wanted a dwarf with dark skin just draw them from these distant houses we never saw otherwise. However I doubt they've done that. Now maybe she is from a distant realm and this is a political marriage, but I doubt they had that sort of creativity. After all, they fired their best Tolkien expert and replaced him with a PhD in Kool-Aide.
@dylanmcloughlin21872 жыл бұрын
I agree. A bigger problem is the dwarf female looks feminine and in middle earth all dwarves are imperceptible by gender to outsiders. Not to mention, they were literally made to mine and craft and that is their one goal (the perversion of which being hoarding). If they bring sexuality into dwarves I'm gone.
@Magnetic18842 жыл бұрын
African and “dark” (or “swarthy” as Tolkien describes the southrons) are two completely different things.
@whodatninja4392 жыл бұрын
yeah but let's not mention that, so clickbait youtubers like nerdrotic and critical drinker can continue their income stream
@jackfett14072 жыл бұрын
@@whodatninja439 good job giving him more clicks yourself😁 you showed him
@SomeCallMeAku2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanmcloughlin2187 If they had tried to do something kinda like Encanto did with Luisa (in that she's feminine and also very muscular) and make the Dwarf princess kinda noticeably feminine but kept the beard and ruggedness, I think that would've been fine. It's the fact that they completely toss out established lore and make her a conventionally attractive human-but-short that rings the warning bells for me.
@SheldonAdama172 жыл бұрын
Watching this after Amazon LOTR trailer dropped… this aged very well.
@digiscream3 жыл бұрын
The issue with wanting to emulate Game of Thrones is that Martin set out to subvert genre expectations with his work (which sometimes worked, and sometimes fell pretty flat). Tolkien's books, on the other hand, formed the defining works of that very same genre - it literally _set_ those expectations in the first place.
@Bolter0243 жыл бұрын
Well said
@Raskolnikov703 жыл бұрын
Thank you. GRRM has always been a hack who copied all of his best ideas from real history. He's a GOOD hack and his novels are great reads, but there isn't much original content in any of them and they're only as popular as they are because most popular fantasy works have been such utter garbage for so long.
@drakonidesthevigilant51553 жыл бұрын
I've said essentially the same thing
@shujin123456783 жыл бұрын
Amazon just wants to cash in on sex and violence, but use Middle Earth as the backdrop ..
@justdrawing2313 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 I still think he did a good job at writing his characters and making his magic feel mystical and very few writers can effectively make an audience feel like any character can die but I do agree a lot of his worldbilding is a reflection of our own world
@radioflyer689113 жыл бұрын
"Don't believe them, don't trust them. Let them die." -Captain Kirk.
@laughingdragon88583 жыл бұрын
😓
@Bow-to-the-absurd3 жыл бұрын
Ah, But he came to question his beliefs later on That's character, Something these writers don't understand, based on their previous 'efforts'
@tubeviewerX203 жыл бұрын
Kirk was referring to Klingons, speaking out of bitterness and some ignorance. I’m afraid real life is not so stark or easily resolved.
@harrambou94683 жыл бұрын
“You should’ve TRUSTED ME.” - Captain Kirk and probably the people who helped make Lord of the Rings so fucking good
@item69313 жыл бұрын
That was... arrogant presumption!
@amilitarymind2 жыл бұрын
I'm Middle-eastern and as a hobby, I love studying history, other cultures, and other mythologies like Norse and Greek including my own mix of Egyptian, Persian, and Turkish background I loved LOTR because it was a beautiful fantasy story based on Western Mythyolgy and History and I like it that way. It told of hope, courage, friendship, and brotherhood, all universal human values. I will be very disappointed if the essence of that story is altered or distorted to suit a political or social agenda. Liking other cultures' stories, histories, or myths is not a crime. We are created differently and only by learning and knowing and then respecting each other can we live peacefully together.
@WildZephyr2 жыл бұрын
The new Amazon series is going to make the Hobbit seem like a masterpiece. Calling it now.
@DavidGuyton2 жыл бұрын
Kind of like how VII, VIII and IX make I, II and III palatable.
@TheGodofChaosItself1842 жыл бұрын
@@DavidGuyton sequel trilogy star wars = trash Prequel trilogy star wars = a mans trash is another mans treasure (memes and cool light saber battle, also world building).
@purge85752 жыл бұрын
The hobbit is good tf? Myself and many others didn’t read the books and loved the Hobbit trilogy.
@mikespearwood39142 жыл бұрын
@@DavidGuyton III was pretty good.
@callnight1441 Жыл бұрын
at least the hobbit only added and didnt subtract or change
@nothankyouthanksforasking3 жыл бұрын
"Intimacy Coordinator" sounds like something that a Hollywood producer would make up because professional groomer just doesn't look great on paper.
@aceambling76853 жыл бұрын
I can't be the only person who found the media build up surrounding Maisie Williams nude reveal in Game of Thrones to be distasteful and rather creepy.
@JohnSmith-hh2nz3 жыл бұрын
"Intimacy Coordinator"...BWAHAHAHA...in a certain "other" movie industry, that sounds like the description of a "fluffer".
@The_Reviewist3 жыл бұрын
Nah, it's pretty standard practice in any major film or TV production where there's a sex scene, has been for a while. You just hear about it a lot more post #MeToo. Basically these days, a sex scene is planned out like any other onscreen sequence. An intimacy co-ordinator makes sure the actors are comfortable and understand what's being asked of them, and allows them to talk through it with each other and an experienced 3rd party. They also act as a choreographer for the sex scenes.
@shineymcshine3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Reviewist don't bring straightforward facts into these threads, these people want to believe in their imaginary hollywood boogymen
@coalblack6663 жыл бұрын
@@The_Reviewist In addition their presence is a deterrent to grossly abusive directors, before intimacy coordinators became standard procedure, there were quite a few horror stories from actresses.
@Kal_g3 жыл бұрын
"There's wokeness in the world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting against."
@adamparris83533 жыл бұрын
I usually hate perversions of quotes to fit an agenda, but, bravo sir, you fucking nailed it.
@Aryan-qv8hz3 жыл бұрын
@@adamparris8353 "Shame on you Sam".
@robertmaybeth34343 жыл бұрын
All right then, keep your social justice warriors
@dwarfy_sweden3 жыл бұрын
Miss Frodo after they are done with the cut
@SeasideDetective23 жыл бұрын
Whenever there's black-and-white morality in a work of entertainment - whether it's the "woke" kind or the traditional kind - I tend to lose interest. Yes, being good is good; I've already learned that in real life, and I don't need fiction constantly repeating it to me. And I like it when the jerk wins every once in a while; if there were nothing to get outraged about, life would be very boring.
@calebdolling98012 жыл бұрын
This has aged like fine wine.
@AverageWTPilot Жыл бұрын
"It'll probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero." If only he knew.
@dorovahkiin2 жыл бұрын
Another reason why LOTR is so good is because it was filmed at the exact right time, beginning of 2000s was perfect for it. Technology just good enough for all the insane things you need a computer for (ntm Gollum) without overusing the effects (like they did in hobbit), and not mixed with any politics like it would be today.
@blakeschannel33862 жыл бұрын
too many times we go to see a film to escape the politics and drama of the real world. now far too many films have us forced to watch this poilticical crap in films and tv now that it eventually brainwashes so many of us. we want to enjoy a film or tv to escape this crap. please leave politics and real life shit out of movies especially fantasy movies.
@M0viLover2 жыл бұрын
I toured Weta Studios. They had JUST finished writing the PC program to .. mimic those huge fight scenes. That technology was KEY to the movies.
@blakeschannel33862 жыл бұрын
@@M0viLover i bet the films and the epicness of them would have been significantly less without a CGI golem.
@joaodorjmanolo2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@josebatxu322 жыл бұрын
LOTR is mixed with politics
@fotzegamingandmedia18403 жыл бұрын
"Unless you're one of those mad lads who went for the 11-hour version." Oh, you mean the only version?
@balung3 жыл бұрын
👍🇦🇺
@Dash-lx4ng3 жыл бұрын
I found the mad lad
@thecrazyslopoke3 жыл бұрын
Bro the theatrical cut made no sense after watching the extended versions.
@the_redpyro49063 жыл бұрын
@@thecrazyslopoke "Wait, you mean there's other, shorter, versions? Who'd want to watch those?"
@janeydeards11703 жыл бұрын
Only version is the extended plus the obligatory drinking game for any mention of 'hobbits' 'Isengard' 'eye' 'Frodo' 'men' 'race of' 'Mordor' etc...
@harrybriggs25862 жыл бұрын
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt." -- Tolkien
@socks24412 жыл бұрын
jeeze, this guys opinions are so damn refreshing in this day and age. he speaks the truth even though its technically not allowed in this day and age of political correctness, censorship and social justice warriors. also, i was a big fan of the lord of the rings and hobbit books as a kid. then as a teen i watched the lord of the rings movies and they were fantastic. i probably fell asleep watching the hobbit movies though. i do not want to see a modern take on lord of the rings. not at all.
@TallisKeeton Жыл бұрын
dont be mad :) but for me those who names themselves 'warrior' need to be in actual war or a battle - I mean for real, not in a political debate :D So SJW name is just stupid name for spoiled kids who think that warrior means indoctrinator :D or seller of corporate products. :D
@xminusone1 Жыл бұрын
@@TallisKeeton what you said is very true. As if these people would do something in an actual war. I would be curious to see it. Just the way they portait communism like an idealised utopia, when most of them never been anywhere close to it in their lives. I'm 51 years old and remember what my childhood was like in a communist country. If they only knew what it was like, they won't mention it. There was nothing positive about this, except if you happened to be part of the ruling elite, which I wasn't.
@TallisKeeton Жыл бұрын
@@xminusone1 Well, my childehood was at the times of communism regime though I just remember only bits of it and most of it was told me by my parents and grandparents. I was teenager when the political system was changed in Poland.
@jdc62743 жыл бұрын
"Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don’t we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we’re partisans of liberty, then it’s our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can" - J.R.R. Tolkien
@jayone88913 жыл бұрын
"Unfortunately cocks are important. You don't have a cock" - modern fantasy writers
@LWT803 жыл бұрын
@@jayone8891 medieval europe is what most fantasy emulates. how many cockless knights in shining armor were running around in the 8th century?
@paulmurgatroyd63723 жыл бұрын
None of this is important to the new owners. They just want to keep the money moving.
@dragonkyng3 жыл бұрын
“I never truly understood the importance of escapism until I conversed with the great professor Tolkien, who asked ‘Who has the most to fear from escape?’ then answered so clearly ‘Jailers.’” C.S. Lewis
@CloakofAuron3 жыл бұрын
This is why progressives hate fantasy and escapism. They want to play as shepherds to us, pretend to be guardians that ensure our security. If we dream and wonder, we come up with something better than they can promise and fulfill. Progressives can't have that.
@cruisingscenesandtakingbea41973 жыл бұрын
Literally nothing related to modern movies matters anymore. Might as well buy up all the Blu-ray’s you can, disconnect the internet, and spend the rest of your life watching what has already been made. You’d probably be happier.
@deniswauchope37883 жыл бұрын
I did just that. Old movies are far better than just about anything made today. I also cut the TV cable decades ago, and I'm so happy that I don't get the propaganda pushed down my throat that most people get (without even knowing it, usually!)
@remusventanus53413 жыл бұрын
Damn, the truth hurts with this one.
@Skellotronix3 жыл бұрын
I've been doing so for years with games and movies, and everyone laughs at me for not playing "BattleRoyaleGame" or "LiveService" game because I understand what is fun and fulfilling and not another job. Fuck us for being realistic huh?
@jimyoung92623 жыл бұрын
This is literally my plan. I'll watch the occasional movie that slips through the cracks like The Joker but only after I see a Drinker Recommends on it.
@loganmurdock46793 жыл бұрын
I'll drink to that 🍻
@joelgarland31612 жыл бұрын
The Critical Drinker : This is the most brutally honest movie review channel I’ve ever seen. You were born to do this lol
@lil-lionryan2 жыл бұрын
Intimacy coordinators are actually becoming pretty common in Hollywood - they're basically the director for the sex scenes, just like a fight choreographer does the fights. A lot of directors would just say "idk, just go at it and we'll film you," which is a waste of a lot of time that often leaves actors feeling uncomfortable and produces not-very-good footage. An intimacy coordinator is a great thing to have if you're going to have sex scenes in your series! ...which is all moot because, like you said, why on earth do we need sex scenes in LOTR.
@GameUnCrafter3 жыл бұрын
Lord of the rings, literally the most diverse movies ever made. Elves, humans, dwarves, wizards, hobbits, orcs, etc. Maybe their skin isn't a different color, but who cares? Diversity isn't just about skin.
@ralphbutcher72943 жыл бұрын
The skin colours are diverse there are several stories of Harad (Africa) and Rhun (Asia)
@SirJungleBunny3 жыл бұрын
Sshh. They don't want people to know that about diversity.
@item69313 жыл бұрын
True. They need Elven singers played by Beyonce and Jay Z for musical diversity.
@GameUnCrafter3 жыл бұрын
@@ralphbutcher7294 agreed! I forgot to mention them in the comment, but there's a whole country, basically big as America or larger that belongs to the harad, basically northern African/Middle Easterners
@joba48483 жыл бұрын
Can we call them dwarfs now. Aren’t they the vertical challenged or something?
@TheItalianoAssassino2 жыл бұрын
It's depressing to think 90% of good movies were made before 2010 and we're probably never getting an epic fantasy tale like LOTR again.
@itiswhatitis99312 жыл бұрын
Did you not watch Dune? I’m not saying it’s on the same level as LOTR, not many films are, but it was still an amazing cinematic experience. It remained faithful to the source material throughout (which is some of the greatest fictional literature ever written), and if it continues to do that over the following two sequels, it’ll surely be a classic in its own right.
@the-engneer2 жыл бұрын
@@itiswhatitis9931 I understand art is subjective, and to each their own, but Dune by Frank Herbert is by far the worst science fiction novel I have ever read. I went out of my way to buy that book, because I love science fiction, and I just do not understand why anyone would enjoy it. The character development and pace of the book had me hoping for a climax that simply never happened. I genuinely wanted to like that book, but I just couldn't bring myself to care about the odd underwhelming characters, and I actually had a hard time remembering who was who at certain points in the book, or why I should even care. I'm not trying to just spew random hatred, and I hope you take no offense by this, but I genuinely do not understand how anyone enjoyed reading that book
@itiswhatitis99312 жыл бұрын
@@the-engneer It's definitely not a book for everyone, but as you said, art is subjective. If that's your opinion of it, fair enough, I don't take offense to people simply disagreeing with me, but I'd certainly say you're in the minority. Either way, my comment was more about the film than the book itself. If you haven't seen it, I'd give it a try at least. It's worth it. Denis Villeneuve is a genius. Perhaps you'll enjoy it more than the book.
@the-engneer2 жыл бұрын
@@itiswhatitis9931 I still plan on giving the film a chance just because I'm pretty open minded and there's no way it can be worse than the previous film adaptation lol
@itiswhatitis99312 жыл бұрын
@@the-engneer haha yeah, it’s MUCH better
@Wukiee2 жыл бұрын
7 months later... spot on
@kitkat2702 Жыл бұрын
When you described the show as a "weird, nihilistic, post-modern creative wasteland," I subscribed.
@Stargazer4ever152 жыл бұрын
Some of the nitpicking SJW's on Twitter you mentioned seem to completely miss the fact that Tolkien DID have "inclusivity." Just not in the way they're used to seeing it. He didn't shoehorn it in. He didn't superficially virtue signal by compromising the integrity of the story just to make a point. He introduced real, deep moral principles of self-sacrifice, loving your fellow man and not judging them by the face they wore while having it make sense within the world he created. Some examples: -Frodo chose not to judge Gollum who made choices he didn't agree with. Instead he approached him with an attitude of understanding to see if he could help him. -Eowyn, the only strong female warrior I ever need screaming "I am no man" as she stabs the Witch King in the face. -Aragorn and Arwen having a strong, wholesome inter-racial human/elf relationship that overcame all obstacles. Likewise Beren and Luthien in the Silmarillion. -Speaking of Luthien, she confronted Tolkien's version of Satan a.k.a. Morgoth face-to-face, unarmed, in order to save Beren. Talk about "strong female character" vibes. -Frodo and Sam, as hobbits, were a race that were constantly looked down on (literally and figuratively). Yet their bravery was greater than their perceived weakeness and they saved Middle Earth. -And last, but absolutely not least, *Legolas and Gimli had a whole freaking three book long story arc on brotherhood transcending racial divides.* No, he did not stuff in a "token ethnic/nebulous sexuality character" into the world of Middle Earth in order to make a political point in our reality. It is a fantasy story. Instead he had Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves and Humans, with each even having their own multiple different ethnicities, cultures, languages and histories within them. All living on the same earth trying to understand each other. People who could all choose to do evil or good, no matter the race. With heroes coming through physical, mental and emotional obstacles to do the right thing. And that even if you do fall, you can come back to the right path as long as you choose to.
@Lighthammer182 жыл бұрын
There certainly are strong female characters and the male characters aren't just macho arseholes like in Hollywood. However the "good" side is blindingly white to the point where the only darkskinned characters are evil. For a non-white person in our multicultural society today it must look horrifically racist. Black elves or dark elves are a thing in many fantasy settings and I think it would be a good opportunity to show that black people too can behave elf-like. Black characters are rarely graceful, instead they are typically portrayed as very rough and unkempt.
@andrewphillips43812 жыл бұрын
Best comment ever
@jimofthenorth80902 жыл бұрын
@@Lighthammer18 That's simply because was a white man living in a white mans world and he set his story in a world based on Western European (bsically white) history. If Tolkien had been born in Iran, his LotR would of been full of Arabs and based on Arabian Mythology. If Tolkien had been born in China, his LotR would of been full of Asians and based on Asian Mythology. If Tolkien had been born, yeah, you get the idea :)
@Lighthammer182 жыл бұрын
@@jimofthenorth8090 Mate he was born in South Africa. He fought side-by-side with Indian and Arab soldiers in the trenches of WW1. He was as close as an Englishman could be to multiculturalism.
@jimofthenorth80902 жыл бұрын
@@Lighthammer18 and while that's true, he was born to white family and lived in England from the age of 3. I'm just saying LotR is primarily a "white" book because it was written by a white man.
@wikkidperson3 жыл бұрын
Bezos is literally proposing basing a Tolkien property on a self-described “anti-Tolkien” property.
@piotrd.48503 жыл бұрын
That's Picard vs. TNG all over again.
@hariman77273 жыл бұрын
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to!"
@pauljoedominic2 жыл бұрын
We haven't thanked Peter Jackson and the producers of the original trilogy enough that they made the trilogy way before the wokeness (the actual darkness) started. Imagine if LOTR movies were scheduled for production now. I don't even want to think about it. I'll be crying in a corner, holding to the books.
@marbellaotaiza801 Жыл бұрын
I guess there's a lot of Asimov fans crying in corners every time they announce a Foundation adaptation...
@BiggussDickuss2 жыл бұрын
This will be the biggest first season flop in history.
@jstratton19813 жыл бұрын
"Sir, the Uruk Hai are graping our women and children!" "Dont be a bigot that's their custom for saying a friendly hello!"
@imthebestthingsinceslicedr54003 жыл бұрын
Humans: we need to defend our realm against the Orcs Orcs: i am being racially profiled! Look im raping and pilaging because its the humans fault for making me do this
@user-ko3tv7jl2r3 жыл бұрын
Just think of the restaurants.
@jstratton19813 жыл бұрын
@@user-ko3tv7jl2r yes! That weevil and maggot infested bread is gonna come back in style
@yulbrynner82933 жыл бұрын
Well, look what they're wearing... it's purple.
@redclayscholar6203 жыл бұрын
"Looks like poon's back on the menu boys!"
@afallenapple2 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Sauron is now a female protagonist escaping the bonds of Men.
@eldermillennial83302 жыл бұрын
That by itself would be better than a GOT level of gruesome detail into how Morgoth turned some elves into the first Orcs. Tolkien very much sums up the process as “unspeakable” which you damned well can bet these cretins will take as a challenge to actually depict in all its absolute horror. Basically “Hellraiser” or “Event Horizon” uncut.
@everygrillindude53172 жыл бұрын
@@eldermillennial8330 Morgoth isn't second age?
@dr.strangelove61182 жыл бұрын
I mean the great deceiver right😉
@Zoroislostagaian2 жыл бұрын
Tolkien fans:I have a bad feeling about this!!
@crimsonhunter65382 жыл бұрын
Not much of a twist in the modern age
@joekilker6373 Жыл бұрын
You came close to calling it on Sauron as the 'misunderstood hero'.
@tustari2 жыл бұрын
Bezos cares about the authenticity of the Lord of the Rings as much as he cares about one of his workers languishing in an Amazon dungeon trying to package 1000 boxes in an hour in 45 degrees celsius heat
@manofthetombs2 жыл бұрын
Dude! Perfectly said! Thank you
@gameking88092 жыл бұрын
They get paid a lot more than me lol
@Harlock2day2 жыл бұрын
@@gameking8809 do you mean you are unemployed then ?
@professionalidiot55292 жыл бұрын
@@gameking8809 McDonald's pay me more tbh and I don't even work there
@SkitterMcBoo2 жыл бұрын
How did you know such specific details? Are you in the Amazon dungeon?
@_MysticKnight3 жыл бұрын
Sex scenes and nudity? In an adaption of Tolkien's works? Tolkien would be rolling in his grave.
@guerney20003 жыл бұрын
Rolling? He would drill himself all the way down to Nameless Things with the speed he would be spinning at
@nunnyabeeawax22723 жыл бұрын
Imagine, if you will. Tolkien, sat huddled in sopping wet and icy cold trenches of a french field during the Great War. Hurriedly scribbling his notes, on what has yet to become one of the greatest works of fiction written. A litary work so great in its depth and scope, that children four generations on will be astounded by its tales of gallantry, honour and kinship. A tale of a group of fellows standing up to adversity in the face of overwhelming odds. Now this man, in his alcove, with pen and notepad, crumpled hand-rolled cigarette and beans cooked on a small fire, shudders immensely, not because someone yet to be has trampled on his grave, but, is dragging his work, long finished, in to the undulating mass of identity politics. Twisting it and corrupting it, until it is no longer what it once was. The doomhold looms, the cries of anguish from tortured souls hang menacingly in the air. That, is what is whats to come...let it not be.
@usedtissuepaper423 жыл бұрын
breaking news: Tolkien returns from the dead to bash on new lotr series
@littleDainolf3 жыл бұрын
I love my dark edgy shows with lots of sex, nudity and gore but that is not LOTR, wich I also love.
@nessyness54473 жыл бұрын
Dude, the elves are pretty much asexuals, they cannonically almost only have sex to reproduce and they are immortal , so they don't reproduce a lot. They better not sexualize the ace representation.
@WadeMFilms2 жыл бұрын
Vanity Fair’s article dropped and holy elven shite it’s every bit as woke and cringy and we’ve feared my friends. Laughable 🤣🤣
@UraniumChef11 ай бұрын
This aged beautifully
@Arvigeus3 жыл бұрын
"Cancel culture" and "Misunderstood villains" existing at the same time is some sort of sick irony...
@annak489723 жыл бұрын
The reasoning: Cancel culture- Whites, males, "oppressor" groups Misunderstood villains- Blacks, women, "oppressed" groups
@Arvigeus3 жыл бұрын
@@annak48972 Hah, I am yet to see a diverse villain. It is mostly "reformed" white males, or mistreated women.
@iloveutubesince32073 жыл бұрын
@@Arvigeus Both Magneto and Killmonger should count as diverse villains, even when they are always presented as "not evil just misunderstood" over and over.
@socialaccount14213 жыл бұрын
There was some obscure Russian book from the 80's that detailed the Lord of the Rings from Sauron's perspective, portraying him as a progressive figure that brought industry and science, in comparison to the backwards and reactionary elves and men.
@Arvigeus3 жыл бұрын
@@socialaccount1421 Shut up! Hollywood can hear you!
@calebcostrini3 жыл бұрын
Amazon is Denethor and Tolkien's legacy is that tomato.
@darcyliz99933 жыл бұрын
".....all shall fade. All shall fade." -us I guess😅
@ReadersOfTheApocalypse3 жыл бұрын
you nailed it!
@lonewolf16253 жыл бұрын
What Peter Jackson's LOTR was: Minas Tirith, clean, mean and fucking badass. What this train wreck will be: Minas Morgul, a corrupted shell of it's once glorious self.
@Nostaljikone3 жыл бұрын
Like Denethor, Amazon may have tomato on their faces as well.. 🍅
@item69313 жыл бұрын
now I can't get that imagery out of my head! LOL
@botrossaleh4282 жыл бұрын
“It’ll probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero” 😂😂😂
@BartAllen2 жыл бұрын
*You do realise that Sauron abandons evil during the early period of the Second Age when he re-emerges in Rhun after fleeing the Valar, right? And Tolkien wrote of Sauron's complexities with regard to the allegiance to Melkor in this letters, too, right? ~* 😂
@fabianacuna71132 жыл бұрын
This video aged like fine wine
@theALTF42 жыл бұрын
...i wish it didn't.... i wish for once that cincicysm of the critics was wrong but. *sigh* here we are, rejoycing over the show's tweeter stupidity and writters' retardation
@Aedrion-2 жыл бұрын
"Men are weak" is about to be given a whole new meaning. Thankfully. The 11 hours trilogy and the books are still there to be enjoyed, untarnished by the failures of lesser people.
@arcamaru81162 жыл бұрын
Valar morghulis 🤣🤣🤣
@louiswain91392 жыл бұрын
I feel called out
@nenmaster52182 жыл бұрын
4:26: OH GOD NO. Oh no, oh no, oh no. Sex-Scenes in TV-Shows are always so pathetic; the final-dead-end of sex-sells basically. I dont want this S-it. I just dont want this s-it! Sex in TV-Shows is cringe by default, but it sounds like their 'Experts' will make it even worse. Ugh. And YES, also what Drinker said about Tolkien and how bad it will all translate to that... that too, YES.
@andythecrimson88772 жыл бұрын
@@nenmaster5218 I agree.
@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother2 жыл бұрын
@@nenmaster5218 imagine being to scared to say shit
@hughzehzelleise71663 жыл бұрын
"There is not now upon Earth any place abiding where the memory of a time without evil is preserved."
@hapablap20883 жыл бұрын
Is that a JJ Abram's quote?
@hughzehzelleise71663 жыл бұрын
@@hapablap2088 It's a quote from the Silmarillion during the downfall of Numenor.
@hapablap20883 жыл бұрын
@@hughzehzelleise7166 Pretty sure you're wrong
@MarlonMacielBrando3 жыл бұрын
@@hapablap2088 he's 100% right. It's a quote from when Ilúvatar removed Aman and Eressëa from the world, in _The Silmarillion._
@hapablap20883 жыл бұрын
@@MarlonMacielBrando No. It's from Lost.
@jollajolyo2 жыл бұрын
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." - Frodo Baggins in the 'LoTR' The Return of the King, page 190. "But trolls are only counterfeits, made by the enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery... as Orcs were of Elves." Treebeard in 'LoTR' The Two Towers, page 474
@Briximusprimedia2 жыл бұрын
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt. And only ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - J. R. R. Tolkien
@Longlius2 жыл бұрын
The first sex scene we get, I'm turning the show off and not coming back. I'm not a prude. The sex scenes were integral to Game of Thrones because of the kind of themes and tone that GRRM wanted to explore. They just don't fit at all in Tolkien's universe and the idea of inserting them is, quite frankly, deeply offensive to the man's legacy.
@ConceptJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Tolkien was a devout Catholic, so I'm sure there is a huge amount of animus coming from Amazon to crap all over that, and do something that would deeply insult him.
@almanac5202 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to see some elf skin. To each their own.
@amadeokomnenus14142 жыл бұрын
I want to see some hobbits bumping uglies, riding some of that sweeeeet Hobbiton poontang
@sophiedokidoki92462 жыл бұрын
@@amadeokomnenus1414 😂😂😂
@scratchy9962 жыл бұрын
I don't get why people want sex scenes in their TV shows, when there is The Internet, which was created for porn, and they can watch it 24h a day, for free.
@samueljett78072 жыл бұрын
"What can men do against such reckless hate?" -King Theoden
@liwendiamond92232 жыл бұрын
That's been the question on my lips in the past few years. What can we do about the Woke? They hate everything, bully and brainwash everyone into doing their biding, and are never satisfied. It's like a Soul Plague has taken over humanity. Then I'm reminded that a majority of us are still sane and not part of the hate and shame cult. That the more the Woke push against human nature, the more human nature pushes back and reaffirms itself. Also, they may be loud and obnoxious and ruining everything they touch like it's gone out of style, but somehow they are still flying under the radar of ordinary people who aren't deeply connected to the world of internet culture and politics. My parents didn't know about the Woke until I informed them of the phenomenon about half a year ago. Their understanding of American politics and culture could be summarized as "Donald Trump Bad, Americans reckless and crazy fools." (We are Canadians btw) As recently as yesterday, I made another one of my colleagues at work aware of the Woke's existence and the damage they are causing. We have to remind ourselves that we of the resistance movement to Wokeism also live in a bubble of sorts. Lots of people go about their lives without a clue this madness is happening, almost like Muggles in a wizard vs wizard war. We have to inform them, before Voldemort's done casting a subjugation spell on them. Then there's the Anti-CTR movement rising in America right now, spearheaded by parents who are finally waking up to the indoctrination happening in schools, which is giving me a lot of hope. There's a chance Western civilisation bounces back from this without needing to ruthlessly exterminate the fraction of itself that has gone completely insane through the mechanism of a bloody hot civil war, and a lot of hope for that peaceful resolution rest on spreading awareness. If your friends and relatives are part of the uninformed middle, you have got to warn them. Expose the Woke for what they are ; a nihilistic Orwellian racist godless cult of shame and hatred run by grifters, bullies and lunatics.
@bemotivated84432 жыл бұрын
“Ride out,ride out and gate keep with me”
@valenciasaintilus95732 жыл бұрын
@@liwendiamond9223 .....?
@oliverholmes-gunning53722 жыл бұрын
@LiwenDiamond well said mate. The more I talk to people the more I realise how much of a minority the woke lot actually are in the everyday world. Problem is, the fact that they are in charge of virtually all media, education systems and mainstream news and the fact that social media gives them a bigger platform to spout their dangerous, hypocritical bile than anyone could have dreamed of 20 years ago makes them a lot more dangerous than their numbers would initially suggest.
@mish3752 жыл бұрын
@@liwendiamond9223 Interesting you mention that because about 2 years ago I explained the same thing to my parents (they're close to 60 now). When I got into the whole subject of SJWs wanting everything gender neutral, the first thing out of my mom's mouth was: "That's exactly like Communism. The Soviets wanted everything gender neutral [sic: comrade] and pushed for that." Unreal how she could immediately see the dangers that Marxism has caused by tunneling into the school system. Another woman I spoke to who lived under the former Communist Ukraine said that those who love communism and push for it have no clue what it really is. If they did, they'd be thankful for their democracy. By the way, we're Canadian as well.
@JarlBeerserker2 жыл бұрын
Excuse my English, I'm German. I usually like your statements and see my opinions being reflected in your videos - sometimes better than I would have expressed them by myself. I also share your concern about the upcoming Amazon 'Lore of the Rings'-Series. What I can't share is your understatement of the Silmarillion as not exactly a page-turner. To put it in a pathos, the Silmarillion is the mother of lore and the bible of fantasy - or maybe the Edda of Tolkien. It answers more questions I had, when I read The Lord Of The Rings for the first time or also after the well-interpreted Jackson-adaptation. It makes The Lord Of The Rings so powerful, even if it's an anticlimatic evolution of the whole lore. Wars so destructive, that they erased a big part of Middle Earth from the map, elves and humans so powerful, that they messed with gods and that one story, that contains everything, a fantasy heart ever dreamed of - Beren and Luthien... the Silmarillion would give a lifetime of cinematic entertainment as it took a lifetime for the father of fantasy to develop and discuss. May it not be hobbited...
@xminusone1 Жыл бұрын
Yes it wasn't diverse enough for them, so they had to shove character of their own making, made galadriel à kind of knight. It's stupid.
@ko197020052 жыл бұрын
After what Amazon did to Wheel of Time I shudder to think about what a shitshow this will be
@jaceyking50153 жыл бұрын
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." _-Thorin Oakenshield, The Hobbit._ I would add that if more of us valued good writing, respecting lore/fans, and kindness over fake toxic wokeness, it would be a merrier world.
@sneeringimperialist66673 жыл бұрын
A billion dollar movie would make Smaug soil his lair in envy...
@nunnyabeeawax22723 жыл бұрын
That should be the Tennants of EFAP. Bravo to you 👍
@andreaspapapap77373 жыл бұрын
@Tracchofyre Do you really not get it or do you choose not to?
@danielblom3913 жыл бұрын
@Tracchofyre I mean, why celebrate independence day? The revolution was way longer ago than the abolition of slavery. And which do you find a better advancement of civilization to celebrate? When a republic was declared, and the shackles of monarchy and peasantry were thrown off by a new and liberated people? Or when those same liberated and free people chose to share their freedom with everyone in their republic independent of the color of their skin? Both are admirable, but the greatness of the revolution always casts the hypocritical shadow of slavery - "Every man is created equal before God" it says, but this only applied to white people before the abolition of slavery. Personally, I think both should be celebrated. Civilization advances one step at a time, and we still have a long way to go, but sometimes it's nice to look back and see how far we've come.
@lmaolmoo41472 жыл бұрын
Tolkien was a devout Christian. I'm sure he would be rolling in his grave if he heard what was about to happen to his works.
@silverhawkscape26772 жыл бұрын
All the more reason for them to do this. To spit on it more. They already removed any reference to that Christian faith in that Tolkien Biography. They'll do the same here.
@crietzsche2 жыл бұрын
@@silverhawkscape2677 Because trying to portray someone's personal spirituality on screen almost always comes off heavy-handed and tacky. He wasn't some materialistic evangelical christian like everyone today, so you can't just have him thumping bibles and yelling about Jesus.
@silverhawkscape26772 жыл бұрын
@@crietzsche At least acknowledge it's there. Even a small gesture rather than pretending it wasn't there at all. If Tolkien was some Buddhist and his biography erased any trace of it, more people would complain. Hacksaw ridge did that better.
@kylephaneuf99752 жыл бұрын
It's sad what they're about to do.
@levishoemaker70052 жыл бұрын
Whomever was in charge of protecting the rights for LOTR didn't do a very good job. What a bunch of sellouts.
@garysmith2983 Жыл бұрын
How prophetic this was.
@langdalepaul Жыл бұрын
“[this show] will probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero”. How prophetic!
@stanhry3 жыл бұрын
There has been an “Orcs are racist” article all ready written.
@lonewolf16253 жыл бұрын
@Beren Erchamion Mind blowing, like eating a grenade mind blowing.
@item69313 жыл бұрын
I bet they conveniently leave out the "white orc" of the Hobbit. Or that the orcs spoke with working class British accents.
@lonewolf16253 жыл бұрын
@@item6931 Ohi, you got a loiscence for that troll?
@item69313 жыл бұрын
@@lonewolf1625 Nay me matey! But would you fancy a slice of Hobbit jerky?
@hounsdjentlow30743 жыл бұрын
@@item6931 we got roast mutton over ere boys! And you two need to stOp tawking such wubbish!
@slashbash13473 жыл бұрын
Two things they'll argue: 1. Tolkien was a racist and his work needs to change. 2. Tolkien was always SJW and he would've wanted this.
@althor59803 жыл бұрын
At the exact same time too lol
@waffleyumboyr53423 жыл бұрын
Exactly their logic
@halowillneverbegoodagain18683 жыл бұрын
They dont even have that second excuse but that wont stop em from lying 🤷♂️
@elipetrou93083 жыл бұрын
He must be rolling in his grave
@malcadorthesigillite25413 жыл бұрын
Always moving the goal post.
@lsmola2 жыл бұрын
This aged like a fine vine..
@davidhawkes1981 Жыл бұрын
You called it, The Critical Drinker!! Sauron is a misunderstood hero in The Rings of Power. You called it, sir! 😮
@katnerd67123 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is that Bezos created Amazon as an online book store originally. You'd think he'd have read one of the most significant fantasy novels ever written.
@TMMReznor3 жыл бұрын
I could swear I remember hearing from somewhere that he doesn't really like reading and couldn't give a gnat's fanny about books, past the money they can make for him. Sounds pretty believable to me.
@piccolo53463 жыл бұрын
Bezos needs to stay in space and leave earth.
@manwithnoname82293 жыл бұрын
England will face Germany in R16 of Euros
@claqyagami69143 жыл бұрын
"Hi, I'm Jeff and I sell books"
@puresinn69963 жыл бұрын
The Bezos who found the ring is gone, replaced by a wicked and greedy troll, forever craving more and more wealth and power.
@philhelm13183 жыл бұрын
"'Your movie stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail, to the ruin of all." Thank God the LOTR trilogy was made when it was.
@TheMeta1413 жыл бұрын
i lie awake at night thinking of the horror a 2021 LOTR trilogy would look like
@samblack53133 жыл бұрын
The old trilogy will get subtle edits.
@frankie30413 жыл бұрын
And _where_ it was. i.e. thousands of miles away from Hollywood and its overbearing movie producers. Google “One of these Hobbits has to die!”
@peterpain66253 жыл бұрын
@@samblack5313 If they put that steamy Sam on Frodo scene in everybody was expecting i am game :D
@MarkJones-gt2qd3 жыл бұрын
Why were there no female, gay, or trans hobbits in the fellowship? or black hobbits? Unacceptable!. Also can we have a female Queen of Gondor, who inexplicably uses Eastern shaolin martial arts to vanquish far stronger and better fighters than herself with side kicks? Clearly the elves are trans too. (I mean, look at them) and immigration has not been addressed at all in the original. This is going to be great. great. I don't know, because if I'm not dead, I certainly won't be watching.
@ethanhenrichs56772 жыл бұрын
Well...The Drinker predicted it!😆
@melntess Жыл бұрын
This was so spot on. How prophetic.
@dmonbman7793 жыл бұрын
"Why does it hurt so much?" "Because it was real". Future dialogue we can expect, and how I feel.
@michaelkemel97113 жыл бұрын
Similar to how the Star Wars sequels made people look more fondly upon the prequels, I get the feeling the failings of the Hobbit trilogy will be dwarfed (pun intended) by the terror Amazon has in store for us.
@kirby72943 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkemel9711 dark times are ahead. Dark times indeed...
@HolyMith3 жыл бұрын
I physically cringed at that line.
@hellosurge46223 жыл бұрын
🖕🖕🖕the hobbit movies
@blockyorbits23763 жыл бұрын
They already stated their main goal is diversity, so yeah, it's gonna suck.
@BartAllen3 жыл бұрын
*J.R.R. Tolkien to Henry Resnick:* "Rhun is the Elvish word for ‘east.’ Asia, China, Japan, and all the things which people in the west regard as far away. And south of Harad is Africa, the hot countries." 😂😂 Tolkien based Middle-earth on Northwestern Europe (pre-Roman to be exact), with Eriador being that of England; and the lands of Rhun and Harad being based Asia and Africa, respectively, and they do play a rather crucial sub-plot role to Numenor as the likes of Lindon, Harlindon etc ~
@uuncoolguy63 жыл бұрын
When u have actual several races it would be nice to see a different skin color other than Grey and white. But to focus on it would be a mistep
@BartAllen3 жыл бұрын
@@uuncoolguy6 *No it wouldn't, especially as those groups play an important role to Sauron and Numenor ~ The West of Arda will always play a large role, but to not focus a sub-plot (as with Lindon) on those groups would be an insult to Tolkien, as well as making the ban by the lords of Valinor pointless ~*
@uuncoolguy63 жыл бұрын
@@BartAllen tf your problem nerd?
@magicjohnson31213 жыл бұрын
Bart Allen it’s still gonna suck.
@upschutt48428 ай бұрын
Now we know it's not as bad as we feared. It's worse.
@keyboarddancers7751 Жыл бұрын
Revisiting this video after well over a year is pure joy!