AMD Needs To Cut Prices - Intel Core i5-13600K vs. R5 7600X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals

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Video Index:
00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
01:36 - A Look At The Core i5-13600K
02:07 - 13600K vs. 12600K Specs
04:03 - Test System Specs
05:17 - Clock Frequency
05:59 - Cinebench R23 Multi
06:17 - Cinebench R23 Single
06:38 - 7-Zip File Manager Compression
06:58 - 7-Zip File Manager Decompression
07:10 - Blender Open Data
07:27 - Corona 1.3 Benchmark
07:44 - Adobe Premiere Pro 2022
07:55 - Adobe Photoshop 2022
08:11 - Adobe After Effects 2022
08:19 - Chromium Code Compile
08:35 - Factorio
08:54 - Watch Dogs: Legion
09:43 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction [Vulkan]
10:06 - Hitman 3 [custom in-game test]
10:21 - Farcry 6 [custom in-game test]
10:39 - F1 22
10:58 - Spider-Man Remastered [custom in-game test]
11:18 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider [custom in-game test]
11:32 - Horizon Zero Dawn
11:47 - Cyberpunk 2077 [custom in-game test]
12:02 - Assetto Corsa Competizione [custom in-game test]
12:18 - The Riftbreaker
12:34 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive [game replay test]
12:57 - 12 Game Average (1080p)
13:37 - 12 Game Average (1440p)
13:53 - Power Consumption (Blender)
14:20 - Cooling Performance
15:48 - Cost per Frame [Just CPU Cost]
16:05 - Cost per Frame [CPU + RAM + MB Cost]
16:55 - Final Thoughts
Intel Core i5-13600K Review
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[@bestofmusicchannel]

You have better gaming performance with considerably less watt usage yet you call AMD is in need to cut prices because of what ? Rendering and unzipping ? If something those 2 CPUs exchanging blows left and right with 7600x being a clear winner in majority of games you showed

[@vladimirljubopytnov5193]

4.9 -> 5.4 is +4% :)? Oh... 5.1...

[@lldjslim]

Finally AMD is getting it's ASS handed to them not just by performance, power draw, and Temps but also by price. Oh yeah and when AMD releases the V3D cache ryzen CPUS , we'll intel will be ready for that launch too, with a 16 all P-core CPU called the 13900KS with no E-cores that will smash all of AMD's V3D cache line up. Well AMD fanboys it looks like the party is over, Intel is back

[@Y0Uanonymous]

You shall factor in the cost of electricity over the lifespan of the products too, as an estimate for the average user.

[@jcbc5950]

@@lldjslim did you watch the video? Are you a gamer? If you look at the graphs, 7600X wins in gaming average fps, equals Intel in 1% lows, uses less watts while doing so, and 13600K is a dead platform with no upgrade path for 14th gen, whereas AM5 has at least until 2025 and may go until 2027 similar to AM4

[@AnttiPW]

Can't imagine how hard the last few months must have been for reviewers. Keep up the good work.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It's been a rough time, but a good time :D

[@PC_Ringo]

@@Hardwareunboxed surely as happy as Larry with all the amazing hardware - nice work!

[@sharathvasudev]

they get views for the effort. fair trade.

[@Blafard666]

Well.... they also making more views than ever thanks to everything going on...

[@kerbodynamicx472]

It must be quite an exciting time for reviewers.

[@symol30872]

We're in a golden time for CPU competition, reminds me of the Intel vs AMD in the early-mid 2000s

[@dondraper4438]

It really is a fierce market these days. Please for the love of God, bring that heat to the GPU market as well Intel.

[@pham3383]

@@dondraper4438 they did,beating rtx3050 for the first time making gpu is quite a feat,ngl

[@gustavoalmeida1579]

We will be when AMD and Intel start to cut prices to compete with each other.

[@aegiltech]

Golden might be too far, AMD is obviously taking the piss when it comes to $, with only the 7950X really making sense, and Intel is taking the piss when it comes to power, trying to reenact the ending of Terminator 2.

[@nishanthadda8824]

Was there ever competition apart from zen3 era?Intel always won.

[@Dante199006]

I don't know how I didn't realize how many CPUs you test and how long this actually has to take. Thanks for your hard work.

[@handlemonium]

More coming......Core i3-13400K, Ryzen 8 7800X, Ryzen 3 5300G, etc. 😁

[@firedrapeon6012]

This is exactly the video I was hoping for after the original 7600X video. Thanks Steve 😁, now I can truly settle on the 7600x, when the prices drop a bit. Motherboard costs are ludicrous right now for what I need included and DDR5 5600/6000 is super expensive still.

[@Dionyzos]

People are saying it's hard work but it would be my dream job lol. It's not hard at all if you love it and can listen to stuff or even watch stuff while doing it, especially for data nerds

[@handlemonium]

@@Dionyzos there's also LTT's new automated benchmark called "Markbench" xD

[@falcon6329]

@@Dionyzos also 90% of the work is just waiting

[@peopleundercover7462]

It's nice to see D4 3600 being tested on this cpu. Definitely what I'm looking for.

[@caribougoo349]

$230 3600 c14 though. Actual pricing difference right now on PCPartPicker is $35 between it and the ddr5. Not terribly relevant imo

[@peopleundercover7462]

@@caribougoo349 Well, It's relevant when you already have the thing and just want to upgrade the cpu

[@caribougoo349]

@@peopleundercover7462I think kits with that xmp just started rolling out a couple years ago and they were insanely expensive($175 for a 16gb gskill kit released in August 2020). Of course I'm sure there's plenty of lucky b-die kits predating that. Not totally irrelevant just a little unlikely

[@dreamseeker9207]

@@caribougoo349 yea but u talk about very worst ddr 5... good ones are 2 times more expensive.

[@caribougoo349]

@@dreamseeker9207 If you want to compare the exact kits used in this review, the ddr4 is currently $5 more than the ddr5. I was being favorable to ddr4 and comparing the cheapest 3600 c14 which is a team group non-rgb for $40 less

[@hehehehaismus]

It's almost scary to see how fast you are with the testing. Thank you for the Benchmarks!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Most of the testing was started a week ago ;) But thank you.

[@simplerelaxation9743]

Most of the youtubers get the chip from Intel before launch date but they're not able to show benchmarks until launch date or when intel let them do it.

[@dubsb540]

Agreed! Amazing work!

[@hehehehaismus]

@@simplerelaxation9743 still, the quality is amazing for just one week :)

[@mattparker2315]

you realize they get these things before consumers. just tied with NDA's until they are released lol. in other words they cant tell anyone about it.

[@almostinfamous42]

Just want to say that in addition to the stellar benchmarks, your b-roll shots are consistently interesting. Thanks for all the hard work and hope you can get some rest now that some of the heaviest periods are done.

[@Brian0wns]

What I find fascinating is you have a PC generation jump that basically requires higher power consumption across the board - about to collide with the biggest energy crunch in the western world because of pipeline drama etc... As winter rolls into the EU and you start seeing these energy bills rise even more - I think the appetite for power hungry PCs is going to drop like a stone. It is going to be really interesting to see how this generation plays out because I would guess it will not be great. I hope I am wrong.

[@alvar891]

Will only make undervolting more popular. Ppl will fall off the bleeding edge diminishing returns of even the factory boost settings. Losing a few fps you will not notice on decent resolutions to save hundreds of watts is a no brainer. Even the cooling improvements will benefit with these hot chips.

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Look up eco mode results, you can turn down the performance on zen 4 a ton without really losing performance.

[@Meowkowhy]

@@alvar891 how do you "save hundreds of watts" by "losing a few fps". You want to go from 100W on gpu to 0? That will make you lose more than "a few fps"

[@alvar891]

@@Meowkowhy Meant the total power draw. Undervolting the gpu also. Some of the high end cpus like the 13900k peaked over 350watts and the rtx 4090 also goes well over 400w. Can see both of those reducing a few hundred watts. Out of the box even the 13600k seems to have no limits sucking up double of what could be tuned off.

[@wmp0074]

@@alvar891 $700 CPU and $1600 GPU and you're concerned about the electric bill? I'd just get a gaming laptop if I wanted to save on my electric bill.

[@hanshanserlein576]

I would love to see a test of ALL new cpus with max 60-90 watt power usage.

[@Ariane-Bouchard]

As someone who's currently planning a small form factor build, I very much agree. How they perform at a "sweet spot" amount of power will be the most important thing.

[@starrynight3945]

Yes. Max 125Watt also. Most people don't need that for the sake of less stress on energy grid.

[@axegash2790]

Check out the der8auer video. He tests that with the 13900k and it beats out 5950x and 7950x in performance efficiency in most tests.

[@douglaspianta4187]

Yeah it would be great to see at an equal power of either 65 or 125w how the cpus all perform, to see how efficient each architecture is. Sucks that it seems both AMD and Intel have pushed their cpus so far this gen for almost no extra gain.

[@Ariane-Bouchard]

@@axegash2790 I've never watched his content. I'll give it a go. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@martinbadoy5827]

I'm looking forward to the B650 reviews and updated cost per frame analysis (in terms of total system cost)

[@fajaradi1223]

Yes, also will these power hungry processors fried the VRM's.

[@mddunlap03]

@@fajaradi1223 based on? B650s have typically the same or just a few stages less in the vrm. You could run 500w cpu on the x670 boards and not need any cooling in fact debour removed the heatsinks on his vrm and was running a overclocked x7950. The heatsinks on amd vrm is just a gimik because they are so overbuilt but the same can not be done with z790 boards.

[@mddunlap03]

Also they better keep the same testing in 2 years when we drop in a cpu and intell has to buy a new mobo and ram. It's dumb to buy into a dead platform unless you already ready have a intell system. Me waiting for the 7800x3d to just wipe the floor with the 13900k.

[@fajaradi1223]

@@mddunlap03 Just curious tho. Last year, we've seen Steve butchering numerous of bad board on his round up review. Wonder if it'll be ever happened again.

[@RyanApplegatePhD]

Great video - would love to see a video focused on some of the power saving methods like you did with the 7000 series undervolting.

[@mohit96mb]

What a perfect video! Amazed at the amount of testing you guys do to bring out these charts. Thanks A Lot!

[@AlexFoxRO]

Awesome review as always, and yes competition is great!

[@TheGamerUnknown]

Thank you for including previous-gen CPUs like the 10700k, which I have. Makes it very easy to compare how they have changed. :)

[@katech6020]

10700K is still very good. I am still on skylake

[@TheGamerUnknown]

@@katech6020 I'm not planning on upgrading this generation, but I was curious how much they've improved. 13600k seems like on avg. 43% faster for gaming, which isn't bad. Prob wait until next generation (14th gen).

[@Frosty_V0]

@@katech6020 it’s not very good anymore, it’s decent, at best

[@katech6020]

@@Frosty_V0 It is way better than what I have (i5-6200U dual core)

[@suit1337]

yeah, it is quite helpful too see popular models like the 3700X there too

[@hankblah]

Really good content!! Already a patron member ! Keep up the good work!

[@ea_gaming]

Thanks for all the great benchmarks guys!

[@BobRaygen]

With cost for electricity rising, if building a new system, the power consumption cost difference can probably even out after a few years, maybe seeing some minor electricity savings long term. Of course assuming default performance and not under volting to maximize performance for wattage, highly dependent on cost per area. I wonder what under volt performance would look for these two CPUs and if there is more disparity or not between them. Especially for more budget minded builds, taking into account electrical costs might start becoming more relevant when evaluating parts than just upfront costs.

[@NelsonCruz77]

Looking forward for the 13400. Even if it's just a rebranded 12600K, if priced aggressively as usual, should an interesting value CPU.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Intel can't do that. They have to raise their profit margin. They really should be charging far more

[@MrUploader14]

@@tuckerhiggins4336 it will be more expensive than the 12400f but I would say it will be priced at 299.

[@NelsonCruz77]

​@@MrUploader14 that's too high. No room for 13600 non-K and 13500.

[@mparagames]

@@NelsonCruz77 I tthink the 13400 will just have no e cores so in tha case, it won't be a rebranded 12600k

[@NelsonCruz77]

@@mparagames that would mean no improvement from the 12400. Wccftech leaked the specs of almost all Raptor Lake SKUs at the beginning of September. 13400 is 6P+4E cores, 20MB cache, DDR5-4800 support, 4.6GHz max. Just like a 12600K but with 300MHz less. Then it showed up on the PassMark database, with performance very close to the 12600K. The rumor is these will be rebranded Alder Lakes, and not real Raptor Lakes. Memory support is a clue. All others support DDR5-5600.

[@gooseuk1985]

Super information on the battle of the brands at the moment, can't thank your channel enough for this type of information. I will be certainly waiting a while longer whilst these prices come down and there is some clear path to choose. Cheers guys amazing work

[@marius2738]

Great review! One thing that would be really interesting to find out is performance on MFS2020

[@TheAsmileXD]

Holy Shit the 5800X3D is on par with the 13600k @ DDR5 6400 in the 12 Game average. That's incredibly impressive and means that if you're already on AM4 getting a 5800X3D is the way to go.

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Always has been.

[@valrond]

And it is better in games that REALLY push the CPU, like ACC, MSFS, DCS, etc.

[@Safetytrousers]

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[@aravindpallippara1577]

@@cnhtol1586 it's a gaming cpu?

[@demnogonis346]

Not to mention the drastically lower energy consumption and without the need for a cold room to cool it.

[@odizzido]

One thing I wish to mention about your cost analysis, the cooler is an important part of that graph given the very wide range of power draw. The 5800X3D can get away a cheaper cooler than AMD 7000 CPUs can and certainly much cheaper than anything intel 13.

[@msansjr]

Very hard to factor this in, but important nonetheless, after a quick look in newegg I'd say that the difference to a 360 AIO to a 240 is about 50 dollars. And then there are the cases that are able to fit these coolers and pump this hot air out... this is getting out of hand!

[@divijmehendru6206]

@@msansjr you can use an ak620 to cool the 13900k as mentioned by hardwarecanucks and im guessing a ak400 for the 13600k? thas 60$ and 25$ coolers.

[@qwertyouriop2]

When you have thermal headroom, what’s the point in not using it? It’s not like intel 13th gen is burning you lmao? It’s just slightly hotter. You all care way too much about slight thermal increases.

[@divijmehendru6206]

@@qwertyouriop2 if you are buying the 13600k vs the 13900k or 7950x, you obviously care about money, so if a much cheaper cooler performs more than 93% multicore and same single core v/s a 360mm aio, then i think thats a win! also, i think intel and amd saying their cpus dont degrade under 100c and 95c is only for the warranty of the cpu. the best case scenario for them is if your cpu fails after 1day and 3years, so i dont care about that figure, i would like to run it as cool as possible!

[@qwertyouriop2]

@@divijmehendru6206 Ofc divjii mehendru says the dumbest thing that makes no sense…

[@Shryquill]

I'd love to see those total system cost graphs updated to include the prices of the coolers required for different power. CPUs.

[@DariusPL]

Thanks for the great work. Could you include MSFS in your CPU testing, please? Since it’s one of the few CPU-bound games, it seems like an obvious choice.

[@ernestwinslow7316]

Msfs2020 was once a regular in the list of games tested but HU but for some unknown reasons, it is been dropped. We really would appreciate open world game test too.

[@Jacob-dr5mr]

In regards to 16:45, a cost analysis with more sweet spot DDR4 3600Mhz CL16 memory would be super useful since if it's a $100 cheaper set of ram (I think most 32GB kits with those speeds are like $120-130) and decreases performance by only a 1-3% I feel like it would drastically shift the graph around. Maybe a video purely about the best bang for your buck cpu out of Ryzen 3000/500/7000 and Intel 12/13 gen in a bunch of different use cases? Either way great video!

[@zeropride1133]

in the games that ddr5 helps it can reach over 20% performance loss due to ddr4. No one in their right mind should be using ddr4 on 13th gen.

[@lakuspakus8782]

I agree some tests including 3600 CL16 would be great. Even 3200. I see a lot of people claiming DDR5 is pretty much a scam, DDR4 will get you better performance on average and that DDR5 costs double of DDR4. Which I just dont get. Like, if youve got the DDR4 already, great. But if you dont, thats still money you have to pay, and DDR5 really isnt expensive on the level people make it out to be.

[@Jacob-dr5mr]

​@@zeropride1133 The cheaper DDR4 3600 CL16 ram would be AMD 3000/5000 systems, since the way more expensive ram doesn't offer that much of a performance lift

[@scaredycrow]

Will we be seeing a “cooler scaling” video this generation Steve? I see many references to platform costs, but this seems to presume one will buy a big AIO. If RPL is throttling on those, what will it do on affordable air coolers?

[@RicochetForce]

Exactly, many cases do not have the space for a 280 or 360 AIO. Other folks don't have the budget to buy one of these things just to get stock performance.

[@yurimodin7333]

on my GF's pc we put a NHD-15s on her 12700f(nonK). With power limits removed etc it holds 4.5 on all the P-cores and stays in the low 80s with a stress test. Just like in the review he had to back it down to 4.7 to get sane temps. So ppl can either save a bunch of $ with nonK chips B series boards and air cooling OR double their costs with the K&Z tax plus 360aio bare minimum to ride the razor's edge while STILL pushing 100c.

[@InfiniteDarkMass]

Great point, actually!

[@lhv2k]

Because it's unneeded, atleast for this i5 cpu. There are 3 scenarios, first is when you buy this for gaming only, which makes cooler irrelevant since in gaming the cpu would barely do anything work, and the i5 is still the best value like in this video. The other 2 scenarios are when you buy this for game + work or just work, in those cases you will need a better cooler for the i5 compare to 7600x or 5800x3D, but in return you get massive performance gain in productivity, which will far offset that cooler price, and still makes the i5 much better option. So in all 3 scenarios the i5 is always the winner, hence adding a cooler scaling is completely unnecessary.

[@aculturedman.9172]

The results here are really confusing. I’m using a $50 ID cooling frostflow 240mm rad in an 11L itx case and with my 13600k hitting 200 watts in Cinebench r23 (all power limits removed on MSI Z690i Unify) I peaked at 81C on the CPU package temp. No idea why they are hitting 100C

[@simplybegood2180]

Awesome video! This is what I was waiting for! Hell yeah guys I might upgrade but maybe in a few months whenever I find good or decent sale

[@AmrXcellent]

The amount of details you guys put to test is amazing. Top notch reporting.

[@elendilion]

Top notch swords!

[@projectjet8096]

Man, I'm so tempted to buy the 5800X3D. If there's a good black Friday/cyber Monday deal on it, I think I might.

[@mroutcast8515]

I was saying this since Zen3: *6C12T CPU is not a $300 CPU, it belongs at $200 range.* - didn't even need any benchmarks for that.

[@defeqel6537]

From business perspective, increasing the price when demand went skyhigh was the correct choice, now the demand has died down, so prices must come down too

[@mroutcast8515]

@@notenjoying666 it's $299 at Microcenter and $329 at new egg. But nice try also it's 6C12T+8eC (aka 14C20T)which is massive in productivity workloads, beating R5 7600K by 50% margin in some workloads which scale proportionally with cores. AMD's offer is absolutely EMBARASSING. It wasn't selling even without competition.

[@viridionwaves]

Love your outro music... wish it went on a bit longer honestly ha

[@QuentinStephens]

I really do appreciate the breadth of your work, though as with your last video, I'm missing the DDR4 productivity data. Like all great articles this one begs for follow-ups. For me, one of those follow-ups should be looking at gaming on DDR4 vs gaming on DDR5 at 4k.

[@KevinM0890]

u can see the results here. no 4k needed because ram speed is for cpu performance

[@liberteus]

well played Intel! Good to see competition back, to drive prices lower and performance increase!

[@davidmccarthy6390]

Not surprised that a CPU with 14 cores and 20 threads beat out a 6c/12t CPU. You are correct that AMD needs to cut the price of this part, as it is not in the same category, lacking the 8 E cores. This puts it more against the 7700X or 7900X for productivity, but at a much cheaper price. Intel have this market covered unless AMD make big changes.

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Don't do anything in gaming, which is what the majority of us care about.

[@Vhalikuporamee447]

The most appropriate move that AMD can make right now is to release the 3D models as soon as possible.

[@davidmccarthy6390]

@@afriendofafriend5766 That is true, but there a few things to consider here: 1/ life of the platform. AM5 is a new platform and AMD has hinted at similar support of AM5 as they gave AM4, so to future-proof, AM5 is the go. If however you are building a game rig with price/performance as your No 1, then the Raptor Lake chips make sense, as the socket is as mature as its going to get. The upcoming 13400K could end up being the sweet spot for gamers. But this is the last line that will use the LGA1700 socket, so this platform is a dead end going forward. (Why does Intel keeep doing this???) 2/ value This is where the 13th gen parts make sense, with cheaper boards available from 12 th gen also, plus the choice of DDR4 or DDR5 setups. At the moment AM5 boards are expensive, with B650 starting at A$320 and X670 starting at A$540 just for the motherboard. In time they will come down, but at this stage they are premium prices. And all AM5 Mb's require DDR5. The performance of the 13th gen parts in gaming is very strong, it will probably take the R7XXX 3D chips to surpass them in gaming. We'll have to see.

[@tobytoxd]

Thanks so much for this!

[@l4m41987]

Watching the last reviews, funny how often you say arctic freezer 360. You should get a sponsoring for that :)

[@chrys9256]

What I'm curious to see the most is how Raptor Lake fares in terms of price to performance with the most reasonably priced DDR4 memory, cheapest motherboard and an air cooler. You'd have to power limit the CPUs for the air cooler to be able to handle them of course, but how much performance would you end up losing?

[@Daeyae]

Air coolers are better than water coolers like 90% of the time

[@chrys9256]

@@Daeyae They're better in terms of price to performance as well as being overall more reliable with fewer points of failure. But strictly In terms of cooling performance they hit a lower ceiling compared to AIOs. I'd take an air cooler every time over 240 AIOs, but even top air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 can't compete with 360 AIOs. They're a lot more expensive though and you need big cases to fit them, which is why I want to see how viable air coolers are for the latest CPUs, it would be ridiculous if 360 AIOs were suddenly a minimum requirement.

[@Daeyae]

@@chrys9256 Air coolers can compete with 360AIOs, not a custom loop but AIOs are dog shit

[@tmsphere]

@@Daeyae you clearly got some tiny super cheap AIO to test with, AIOs dont even underperform vs custom loops, ppl just like the look of custom loops but they dont offer much performance upgrade, also more points for failure than any AIO.

[@sinzandhaloz]

With 1440p gaming becoming more and more common, would you consider adding Cost per Frame graphs for 1440p? I imagine with games becoming (more) GPU bottlenecked at higher resolutions, that could possibly shuffle the results around a bit.

[@valhallaoutcast]

yeah I game at 1440p with a 3080 and a Ryzen 5 3600, I would upgrade the CPU tomorrow if I could find a really good reason but its hard to find one other than just because

[@error079]

Thank you for the power and value graphs

[@vdpr]

Great work. Competition is great! $/frame gap doesn't look too big between the two.

[@Sedge86]

Steve did you try any of the am5 processors with comparable 6400mhz RAM?

[@tomtomkowski7653]

Please make some real-life scenario testing using tower AIR cooling. How many people are using expensive 360 AIO, especially with lower-tier CPUs? We want to see benchmarks for both RaptorLake and ZEN 4 with some common cooling.

[@Cuthalu]

360 mm doesn't cost that much anymore, Arctic's price/performance is absolutely insane, outperforms much more expensive models.

[@RyanProsser0]

@Hardware Unboxed Both the cost per frame graphs at 16:00min are using the 1080p Minimums and NOT the Averages - as they should be and written in graph title Anyone else agree? Confirm mistake and fix? Love your great work on all the latest CPU head to heads. Cheers

[@Shryquill]

Nice work, guys! I'd love to see those total system cost graphs updated to include the prices of the coolers required for different power CPUs.

[@DJCryonic]

Not interested, the chip is too hot. Even with a custom look that I usually build, this is just too much power for the performance gains. 7950x is the best CPU on the market now by far for desktop PCs.

[@warking4257]

im going from a i7 8700 to 7900x,good choice ?

[@Solrac-Siul]

Honestly do not focus on those power consumption you see in the reviews. Generally speaking the average user is not running benchmarks to gtaher the maximum performance or frames. The average consumption of those cpus, independently of being amd or intel , is far far lower. and the temps also. I have a 12700k , and it Rarelly goes above 72 degrees, and that is when doing something unusual. in games the temp is on the 60 if the game is actually demanding and it is summer , on most days it overs 50 or so. The power consumption also rarelly ever gets close to 190 w, specially since i game at 2 or 4k resolution, so the graphic card is the one doing the work, and the cpu rarelly goes beyond 60%. Outside of game all my other activities do not push the cpu in any considerable form. the temp right now while writing this is 32 º with slightly above 2% load.

[@DJCryonic]

@@Solrac-Siul As someone who does work with rendering, streaming etc. and pays a crapload for electricity every month - that adds up. And I love hardware that has a decent headroom for overclocking in both temps and voltage/power department. No freakin way I would accept hardware that is thermal throttling out of the box with the best off the shelf cooling out there. My 5800X is currently tuned to 65W and I rarely remove that for specific workloads or games. The performance drop is minimal, but the power consumption is very low. I expected way greater efficiency with this generation. Performance crown is nothing when the CPU is constantly trying to roast itself even with a custom watercooling loop.

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

and it can run 16 virtual machines on it which will work very well. there are no option for this on the i9 ;)

[@inflatable2]

Thx for adding Intel 10th gen as well in the benchmarks.. As it's shows to me that I'm still very much GPU limited with my Intel i7 10700K, 32GB DDR4 3600, RTX 3080 10GB system playing at 3840x1600 (160Hz) resolution.. So no need to upgrade the CPU, MB and RAM, probably not even when I upgrade the GPU fist again.. Probably gonna wait with that until next gen of GPU's as well, Nvidia 50-series or something..

[@qwertyouriop2]

Who asked?

[@ppgabe]

@@qwertyouriop2 Me.

[@lughar]

@@qwertyouriop2 me.

[@Penta_I]

@@qwertyouriop2 Me.

[@Mystic-4252]

@@qwertyouriop2 I asked

[@FoolTheWizard]

Thank you for testing the 13600K on DDR5 and DDR4.

[@TeamStevers]

So thorough. Thank a ton boys!

[@thetechrealist]

I highly appreciate that you tested 10th gen Intel CPUs. I have an i7 10700k and it still performs great 😃👍

[@TheKelz]

Have i9 10850k but its still sad how steamrolled they are in these benchmarks lol. All games have like 100+ FPS more easily

[@thetechrealist]

@@TheKelz Only in 1080p my guy, only in 1080p, all while using the best components. So your CPU won't be outdated anytime soon if you are playing 1440p or above.

[@TheKelz]

@@thetechrealist unfortunately even at 1440p it gets beaten pretty handily, but I get your point. Definitely far from being obsolete.

[@SgtRock4445]

In the EU the 13600k costs ~€425 and the x3d is €438. So I went with the x3d to replace my 3600.

[@JOKEMMM]

Waiting for the x3D to drop below 400 :p, but maybe i hold on till the 7600x3d comes out and sell my PC as a whole and built something new, fingers crossed that ram&motherboard prices have gone down by then

[@Scavenger_0]

Yep depending on where you are value changes, looking at delivery in my area 13600k 466,98€ and 7600x 359,90€. The 5800x3d would be 465,41€ but at no additional cost of Motherboard and Ram since i'm already on B550. It's a no brainer .

[@MultiBattlecry]

I missed this review, thanks for sharing. I have one request though: could you next time not use the abbreviation for 'ACC'. It will be funny to hear you say it in full. 😁

[@paulalex9977]

Please, could you do a raptor lake air cooled video just to know how much performance is/not lost. Thank you for the excellent review.👍

[@OReinert]

At 16:10, in the cost-per-frame analysis, how come the DDR5-6400 memory used with the i5 is only $200, while the DDR5-6000 memory used with the 7600x is $280? Usually, faster memory is more expensive. Also, why don't you make a point of testing both Intel and AMD parts with the same DDR5 memory, like you did with DDR4?

[@jmhagle]

The ryzen ddr5 might be their version of xmp and costs more than standard xmp ddr5? Just guessing

[@arowden]

In the chart the 13600K with DDR5 is $330 + $280 + $180 and for the 7600x it's $300 + $280 +$290. I'm pretty sure the the second number is for the ram cost, so $280 for both (could be argued the 7600x DDR5-6000 ram should be slightly cheaper than the 13500k DDR-6400, but I'm not sure how much of a cost difference there currently is between those two). The big price difference though is the $180 vs $290 for the motherboard and I think that largely comes down to being able to use Z690 and B660 motherboards for Raptor like vs only the brand new X670 for Zen 4.

[@cheshirster]

@@arowden B650 motherboards had already arrived with prices starting from 170$.

[@OReinert]

@@arowden You're right, I managed to confuse the numbers. The subheading of the slide does actually state it's CPU+RAM+Motherboard. Thanks! So it really is the mobo costs that makes up the bulk of the cost difference.

[@aninditabasak7694]

@@jmhagle Ryzens are optimized for expo ddr5 memory.

[@falcon3169]

I love to see a best ram kit guide for raptor lake CPUs ... I'm planning to go for ddr5 but not sure which one is best

[@tobytoxd]

This video is so useful. I come back to it every now and then. Thank you very much! But i don't think the 7600X "gets embarrassed" by the 13600K in productivity workloads, when it comes pretty close to it in Premiere and beating it in Photoshop and After Effects. And video and picture editing is probably the most common productivity workload for a gamer. It could also shift more and more to the AMD side in the future with PCIe 5.0 M.2 SSDs.

[@FrostyBud777]

7800x3d will be an epic crushing cpu upgrade for the 7600X and 7700X owners like me. I am looking to the future , not current benchmarks. 14th gen intel will need new mobo, so I didn't get that for my system this month, I got am5 so I can drop in new cpu in future. 7700x does better in games, and why i wanted it and bought it.

[@timothyandrewnielsen]

Sort of dumb to buy a 7700k now then upgrade in a few months

[@FrostyBud777]

@@timothyandrewnielsen i mean, the 7700x just came out, Im on 5 year old hardware and didnt want to buy intel. I want a new pc for my b day this saturday and throught this winter/christmas to play while its cold and snowing, plus I want to be able to play all my games without cpu bottleneck and to play new games coming out like ill, the day before, calypso protocol, etc, with a good CPU and it only makes sense to get 7700x cause i can upgrade in a year or two, NOT MONTHS, cause the 7700x will be fine at least a year or two, then upgrade, while intel will need need mobo and I didnt want to have to do all that. futureproof. I will get 7800x3d in a few years, not months. but it is and option in the future, but intel owners will be stuck on 13 gen boards when 14th gen releases but amd wont. It's why i went with amd this time after 15 years with intel.

[@RarePotions]

While the 5800X3D is amazing and will probably be picking one up myself in a few months... if you look at it from a productivity perspective the 13600k outclasses it substantially while also keeping the gaming performance pretty close and the total platform cost similar. If you are only gaming and already have a motherboard/ram to use with it then the 5800X3D can't really be beaten, but if you have productivity needs and game on the side then the intel part is the clear choice.

[@kng_bg1616]

Well said

[@emregocmen9562]

If I look at the charts it's better to buy an i7-13700k or i9 13900k tbh, especially if you want to make the best of DDR4 RAM. I want to wait for the Zen 4 7000 X3D series but you are required to have DDR5 and the new gen MoBo..

[@spectre722]

where i live 13600k and a b660 board is like only hundred more than a 5800x3d. if i was upgrading i'd rather go with the new intel platform..

[@RarePotions]

@@emregocmen9562 Well if you want the absolute best productivity performance than yeah obviously it’s better to go with the higher end parts. But the 13600k has the best price to performance which is why I was comparing it to the 5800X3D, which also has very good P2P but mostly for gaming and not productivity.

[@emregocmen9562]

@@RarePotions for sure the 13600k is a really good bang for your buck💪

[@stephandolby]

I can't help but wonder what would've happened had they included a clock-limited second CCD in the 7600X and 7700X; even if it was only a 4C/8T addition, they likely would've had the better of the 13600K and 13700K respectively in productivity as a whole, albeit introducing some of the cross-CCD issues we've been seeing with some games as per the 7900X and 7950X. It's strange how Intel went from offering fewer cores to then including more, and whilst I do appreciate AMD's position that they can use one core design for practically everything (and it's a pretty small core, at that), I feel they may now be stagnating on that front as we've not had a core count increase in three generations.

[@PsychoStreak]

Honestly. AM5 Motherboard prices are a bigger issue than the CPU prices at the moment. Both need to come down, but MB prices in particular - there are no low or mid range boards right now for B or X series chipsets. It's actually more of a deterrent to AM5 adoption than DD5. AMD and their board partners HAD to have seen this coming and were either banking on people being desperate for the new product and not simply saying no to these jacked up prices. Be it greed or just incompetence they're handing sales to Intel who are offering that can't compete on power efficiency, and is all but garuanteed to be a dead socket with no upgrade path.

[@thetwo-armedman]

Could you do a comparison of the 13600k and 7600X using an "okay" air cooler (such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212)? I understand using the best cooling possible for evaluating the maximum performance potential of a new CPU. However, I don't think the users who typically buy this sort of CPU will be pairing it with an expensive 360mm radiator cooling solution.

[@RemyRooDadtoo]

I agree, plus I try to keep my bills to the minimum especially with almost 100watts more being used to get a little more performance. I still prefer AMD in those terms. Im a penny pincher lol

[@jkahgdkjhafgsd]

you wouldn't put a 212 on these lmao

[@rare6499]

Something like an Ak620 is what you would want / not too expensive and would do a fine job.

[@lhv2k]

The result would still be the same, in gaming both can use the same cooler since cpus don't do much in gaming, an okay cooler would works fine, so the value result don't need to factor in cooler. In productivity yes you will need a better cooler for the i5 compare to the 7600x, but in return you get so much more performance uplift, making the cooler price difference irrelevant and the i5 would still be a much better choice in that case.

[@randalllawkin]

yeah way better cpu coolers for the same price that have the performance of the D15

[@ingoos]

Just goes to show: vigorous competition quickly spurs rapid innovations which, ultimately, benefits everyone! BTW which cpu(s) are best for virtualization applications?

[@pham3383]

Ryzen 9 7950x beat i9 13900k for professional app Either i7 13th or r7 7700x I5 13th gen

[@kingplunger6033]

and power consumption... :/

[@niter43]

Interesting question, with modern hardware I've always just assumed that virtualization is next to zero cost (so whatever CPU MT benchmark score is higher without virtualization is better), but maybe there's some funny stuff happening depending on platform. AFAIK Some Windows 10/11 features rely on Hyper-V being enabled (WSL2, some security features, etc), and if it's enabled Windows you're using is virtualized already. If Microsoft is doing that silently, then it's probably really next to free.

[@shanewazsultan9305]

Hey guys. Thank you for the amazing work. As you always advice, I have watched reviews from multiple channels for the comparison between 7600X and 13600K. But these reviews use a 4090/3090ti to highlight the performance difference. As I am looking to build a brand new system in Q1 2023. Coupled with a 4070/7700XT class GPU, Which would be the better purchase? Intel's lower starting cost or Amd's platform support (promised) ? System will be used for Gaming (light)/ DaVinci Resolve (intermediate).

[@soxfansince97]

Once again your reviews and testing are the best! Thanks for all the hard work!

[@Rezcuz]

loving this back-and-forth, great for the market and great for the consumers

[@Rezcuz]

@@tilapiadave3234 Ok...?

[@Verpal]

Considering many people already have DDR4 to reuse, the value proposition tilt even further to Intel, AMD need a price drop quick.

[@Avenge_Computers]

not only that he was testing with average ddr4...

[@maou5025]

The CPU isn't cost that much. The real cost is the platform ( mobo + ram ). The only good build this time is 13400f + b660 + ddr4 (last gen cuz this gen are damn expensive).

[@rdmz135]

@@maou5025 13400f is alder lake and way slower

[@maou5025]

@@rdmz135 The different between alder and raptor is e core, cache and clock speed. It's not a new uArch like meteor lake supposed to be. And what would you do with a powerful CPU? Playing game at 1080p 240fps+?

[@Avenge_Computers]

@@maou5025 i bought 4400mhz vipers and 12600kf with gigabyte aorus z690 for $400 US

[@Awakened2001]

Love your videos. I had some ddr4 bdies sitting around, so i handed off my 5800x setup to the wife and built a 13600k setup. With the holiday sales spent under 700, minus the GPU i already have. Cheers!

[@JuanDavidGM]

The cost per frrame is great. Thre's any comparation like this but with GPU in another video?

[@oskarelmgren]

Why is the 13600K tested with ddr5-6400 while the 7600X with ddr5-6000? Differing from how you test ddr4 platforms, with all using the same ram speeds and latency. Are those the most cost effective options for either platform? Or amd not capable of running at 6400?

[@NAmania]

AMD specifically mandated from reviewers that they test their new CPUs with a partucular set of DDR5 - 6000 memory. However, if memory serves me right I believe that Steve also did some preliminary testing with 6400 memory and found little to no benefit in it.

[@makuta101937]

I saw another comment saying that AMD actually requested that type of ram. Perhaps zen4 doesn’t play well with the fastest possible ram?

[@oskarelmgren]

@@NAmania Ok, that would explain the 6000 speed on the R7. The benefit aspect seems strange though. Intel 13 has huge gains going from 4-3600 to 5-6400. Ryzen 7 doesn't have significantly more cache that intel 13... Guess more reviews will tell!

[@cameronlamar4373]

I wish it was mentioned that B650/B650E are available now for as low as $170. Yeah, prices are still high on most boards, but your cost per frame analysis for the full platform is quite flawed as early as today (release day of the video)! Overall, great video as always! Thank you for your hard work to bring us such thorough information and interpretation for these new releases

[@elirantuil5003]

Not available globally yet. Also I don't think cost per frame is the main reason Steve ended the video recommending the 13600k. It's just that for anyone doing a little productivity, it's just a no brainer in terms of performance. I wouldn't buy any of these just for gaming tbh.would probably wait for cheaper ryzen or even next gen ryzen or intel if I'm fine with what I have. No point spending this much on a gaming CPU unless you're rich. The difference between these and the 5600 is just not meaningful enough.

[@peterpan408]

A non-K i5 in a B motherboard usually ends up taking the value king prize. Probably the 13600F whener we get that. Cheaper everything.. and fast enough.

[@elirantuil5003]

@@peterpan408 with ddr4 and a b560 board it will probably hang with the big boys while still being unbeatable.

[@rawalter21]

Would it be possible for you to test with the cheapest available DDR5 6000 kit for the AMD chips and DDR5 6400 kit for the Intel chips? If you look at current prices in the US, you can get a DDR5 6000 kit with EXPO for $189 (only 180 if you use an XMP kit) vs $235 minimum for a 6400 kit, both 32GB 2x16GB kits. That would probably be a better comparison for someone buying a 7600X or 13600k. I would definitely be curious to see some memory scaling benchmarks for different DDR5 speeds on these new chips as well though I would guess those are probably already coming :)

[@justinv3080]

Thank you for keeping the 10700k on the charts. Alot of us still running that chip or the nearly identical 9900k and it looks like it's getting close to time to upgrade...maybe one more generation 😂

[@MrMastadox]

Ha ha. If you keep looking at charts its always time to upgrade. The question should be. Are you happy with current performance

[@almostmatt1tas]

Very seriously considering moving from my 8700K to this one, looks like it'll make a huge difference for compilation and video rendering.

[@jubayerwasidraiyan5874]

make sure you have proper cooling in order to sustain that performance. I think it'd be pretty trash in hotter countries due to the temps

[@PowellCat745]

Wait for Zen 4 3D. Intel will cut prices after that.

[@donkey7921]

@@PowellCat745 lol 3d AMD chips haven’t been good for productivity so…

[@Snoozy96]

@@donkey7921 The only 3d chip wasn't meant for productivity though... It was in the gaming tier with the added benefit of performing well in regards to productivity. You are out of your mind. LOL

[@chrisjr6214]

​@@PowellCat745 If Zen 4 3D ends up only reflecting in games like the 5800X3D does and doesn't offer overclocking support this time, idk if Intel will feel compelled to lower prices (at least not that much). Even then I'd rather see larger gains in performance at 1440p and higher.

[@richard.c.guitars]

Favourite hardware channel. You and Tim are excellent. Greetings from your brother country NZ

[@flowsy5294]

are you guys reviewing the Cooler Master Tempest GP27U MiniLED? Alot of people are waiting for your review and cooler master said they sent you guys one.

[@solocamo3654]

Was considering going to a 7600X over my 10900 for gaming reasons but I want a cpu upgrade that is better in all aspects, even outside of gaming if I'm upgrading. This 13600k is the kind of lift I'm looking for.

[@bigweeweehaver]

consoomer

[@solocamo3654]

@@bigweeweehaver Brooooke

[@Zicrixdoesart]

I feel the price of the CPU itself is fair. It's honestly just those damn motherboards. Otherwise, in most gaming scenarios you're still gonna be GPU bottlenecked. With the am5 platform having better longevity and efficiency, I still feel it a compelling option. We'll know for certain how compelling it is when zen 4 x3D comes out 😈

[@thepunic5261]

Its not fair at all, just like zen 1 and 2 era, one company is offering more cores for less money and that being intel here not only that but more availability and much cheaper platform as a whole, more flexibility (ddr4 & 5) thunderbolt support, etc. Its just a no brainer for any content creator to pick this cpu. And gamers too. Not only that the thread director in windows 11 saw a big improvement with e cores utilisation.

[@afriendofafriend5766]

@@thepunic5261 Yeah but they aren't real cores. They don't matter for gaming.

[@warlordwossman5722]

@@afriendofafriend5766 it is not like real cores beyond 6 or 8 really matter for gaming either...

[@thepunic5261]

@@afriendofafriend5766 they do matter for gaming its just they're not as fast as the P cores, but in reality they are stronger than the 7700k cores, its like having a 7600x and a 7700k 8 cores cpu working together that's what the 13600k is. of course you want to game on your 7600x. again they're offering MORE CORES for the same price as amd, whether its 13600K or the 13700k. never forget that the non K skus are gonna arrive soon with the sub 300$ 13400f and sub 150$ 13100f, which will render the whole amd lineup useless consumer wise.

[@lldjslim]

Finally AMD is getting it's ASS handed to them not just by performance, power draw, and Temps but also by price. Oh yeah and when AMD releases the V3D cache ryzen CPUS , we'll intel will be ready for that launch too, with a 16 all P-core CPU called the 13900KS with no E-cores that will smash all of AMD's V3D cache line up. Well AMD fanboys it looks like the party is over, Intel is back and it's time to put the crown on the new budget king

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Thanks for doing this review. Another review I had watched yesterday arrived at the same conclusion about 13600k. Competition is great.

[@Kelekona_808]

Steve, I know you said you'd opt to build an 13600K system if you needed to build new at this time. And based on your testing I strongly agree. But which memory type would you go for based on price to performance at this time?

[@azhp42069]

Don't forget to consider future upgrade costs when choosing RAM. You can carry forward DDR5 to your next motherboard, but probably not DDR4.

[@braddishv3146]

I completely agree with this. Even the 12600K made the AMD value prospect lower; I have kept watching a price correction for months. AMD right now is in a very bizarre position.

[@Angel7black]

Ive been saying this for a long time that if AMD didnt raise core counts or seriously drop prices Intel would destroy them and here we are. Its obvious as hell they were cause off gaurd with Alder Lake and believed their own hype and the fanboys that Intel, and absolute tech monolith that has been around for yeaes, was done. Zen 4 is literally just a 12th gen competitor. Theyve basically resorted to pretending E cores are pointless and claiming all their cores are P cores like that makes a difference that they’re getting rolled at half their skews by an i5 in multithreading. If AMD really wanted to compete they woulve stopped selling two R9’s and sold the 7700X as the 7600X. Maybe even drop none x skews for each at $50 less dollars and sold the 7600X as a 7500X for $200. They still wouldve lost in total price to performance but atleast their minshare could carry them And the could put the 7950X against the 13900K at the same price and that wouldve actually probably been a win

[@SarcasticBroth]

The question is will Intel be able to respond when the x3d chips come out. That plus the easy amd upgrade path for the future makes me think the currently high platform cost might be worth it for gamers.

[@RicochetForce]

That depends on how dramatic the improvement is with the 7800X3D is. People won't jump for it if the memory, motheboards, etc... are so damn expensive.

[@fshaharyar]

Hi Steve,. Very detailed review as always. But ddr5 6400 is less than ddr5 6000 and Mobo cost on 13600k changes with ram config are you using 2 different boards

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Dear Steve, big fan of your's and Tim's channel so thanks for all your hard over the years. Ok that's enough butter, I have a favour to ask :-) As you are probably aware, Intel, in their infinite wisdom, have decided to reduce the 14900k (Meteor Lake) to only a 6p + 16e design. Many people in the industry seem to be defending this saying games don't use more 6 cores so it won't be an issue. I wondered if you could do a really quick video, just like 3 games or something, and compare the 13900k with all 8p cores enabled and then with only 6p cores enabled, keeping the max frequencies the same so we can see if there isn't too much of an impact or will this be another Rocket Lake moment for Intel?!!

[@Wh0am131]

I would like to see tests with a normal air cooler that alot of people would purchase. 360 AIO water coolers isnt realistic and massive air coolers isnt realistic either for alot of people. both the 7600x and the 13600k would be more interesting with this kind of limitation.

[@TheNubaHS]

not realistic? arent 360 aios cheap nowadays?

[@foxx9555]

@@TheNubaHS They're cheaper but still they're used mostly by more experienced users. Average Joe wants something as little complicated as he can get. You would be suprised how many computers with something like Core i7 I've repaired with basic stock coolers, because they're more convienient and easier to install.

[@TheNubaHS]

@@foxx9555 average joe will always pick the AIO over the noctua's gigantic turtle of doom. unless you mean the standard intel cooler but does it even comes with the 13600k?

[@paullasky6865]

I'm running the 13600k with a 240 AIO and a contact frame. In gaming doesn't really go above 70° If I process a video it gets to 99° Without the contact frame it got to 100° and a throttle

[@tmsphere]

360 AIOs cost less than higher end cooler boxes, its better cooling for less money (but shorter lifespan bc fans can be replaced for cheap and solid radiators can live 100s of years tho you always come up against higher RAM stick heights.) Bought a run of the mill 360 AIO and I can leave 100% stress test on all cores for 10 minutes and the highest core temperature doesnt pass 82c so you have a lot of headroom.

[@aisjdoaidf1490]

Looking forward to 13900ks and zen 4 3d v cache reviews when they become available. Btw are you using top tier thermal paste for those cpus? I think it would really help generally and especially in the case of the top raptor lake cpus in combination with the 360 and 420 coolers.

[@danilolimadossantos1]

The thing is, like in last Gen, the 3D VCache refresh will come next year, probably closer to the 14th gen launch than 13th gen. And it will feature a Node and architecture change and bigger cache (12th to 13th is not a big change, just some adjustments in the core, bigger cache, and brute forcing through power increase). So I expect that even if 7700X3D takes the lead, 14th will quickly take it back a few months after it.

[@ValyEK]

@@danilolimadossantos1 Will 14th gen come in Q1-Q2 next year ? Because many sources point at Zen4 3D coming in Q1.

[@danilolimadossantos1]

@@ValyEK zen43D is Q2 2023, with a shot for AMD to anticipate to the end of Q1. 14th Gen is Q3 2023

[@ValyEK]

@@danilolimadossantos1 Sources, rumors, anything for both statements ? Never heard of Q3 14th gen launch.

[@ValyEK]

Laptop may launch Q3, but desktop is looking like a Zen5 competitor. All rumors still. Even if it comes earlier, the platform is still dead and what you will account for a cheaper platform now will result in an expensive upgrade to 14-15th gen in the future. Save 60$ now, pay more later.

[@gregfr182]

Great video and testing. Probably worth emphasizing that you chose CPU bottle necked cases in gaming tests by using a 4090 and games where FPS are typically high. Real life gaming performance for most of us would probably be very similar as long as you have a decent CPU and something more mid range compared to a 4090.

[@mrsuperselenio5694]

Its in seasons like this that I wish I lived in America, I keep seeing reviews saying ohh its 300$... 400$ but here in Europe for some freaking reason the 300$ is closer to 400€ and the 400$ is over 500€ not to mention prices of a decent motherboard that is almost as expensive as the CPU itself if not more. So CPU+MB+RAM combo is already over 1.2k, like WTF happened!?.... You used to be able to build brand new entire systems with that money and the currency value is almost identical! Soon enough people will be switching to consoles.

[@ArteriusSaren]

I see little to none reason for a regular AM4 owner move to AM5, results of 5800x3d are still solid in terms of gaming performance. I guess I would swap after 1-2 years of current console generation.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

true am4 and rx6k/rtx3ks are at best price atm, super cheap considering perf given

[@simont.2145]

Cost per frame in Germany using same configs roughly would be: AMD (7600x 349€, Gigabyte Aorus B650 290€, 32 GB Kingston Fury Beast 247€) = 895 (825€ with 70€ Cashback on Mobo) CPF=5,11€ (w/o cashback), 4,71 (with cashback) Intel (13600K 385€, MSi B660 Tomahawk 220€ or cheaper AS Rock 200 €, Memory as above 247€) = around 842 €, CPF= 4,81€.

[@MrSherhi]

If it's standard 6000 and 6400 DDR5 then that's like 240+€ and 6400 is like 380+€ in Slovakia with similar average performance while power consumption is not taken into account which it should be these days.

[@simont.2145]

@Crypto Arnold Would make a great budget combo with a cheap DDR4 kit

[@simont.2145]

@Crypto Arnold Yeah, you gotta set some priorities! :D

[@Ghettochild.2600]

4k game comparison would of been nice. Margins much closer together, but would of been nice to see anyway.

[@iagobkstar]

This is what I love to see, market competition at its fullest. I was a fierce supporter of AMD during the AM4 era as they did so many things right, but it seems to me that for my next build (probably in one or two years' time) I will swap sides.

[@mddunlap03]

Why? By the charts amd is still best bang for the money. Ddr5 prices are droping and they will not be a dead socket like intell. Also they are comparing a budget intell board vs x670e flagship boards you can already get sub 200$ am5 boards boards but oddly skewed the numbers and odd they went with 32gb of ram vs the 16gb most gamers will buy to really sell intells dead socket

[@iagobkstar]

@@mddunlap03Both Intel and AMD are competitive right now at all levels, and this only favours us, the consumers. I'm not saying at all that Intel is super ahead of AMD currently, and certainly the 7600x is slightly above the 13600K in terms of gaming performance. Price/performance favours Intel though, that's all my comment was about. I'm happy with my 5600x for now anyhow.

[@TalonsTech]

It’s amazing how much Intel and AMD have switched roles and how much Intel has improved in the last 2 gens. Competition is great for all!!

[@you2be839]

Yeah, I think it's clear that AMD has to somehow throw more cores at their lower end CPU SKUs in order to keep up with Intel in productivity workloads and/or bring down the price of the existing lower end Ryzen CPUs. That being said, Intel also has to find a way of getting this sort of performance while being way more power efficient, especially for mobile CPUs... And that's why I'm more curious than ever to see what Intel 4 will do for 14th gen Meteor Lake CPUs, as well as what the Ryzen 8000 series lineup will look like... I feel both could mark a major shift from what we are seeing today...

[@Darkswordz]

Instead of lowering the power target to 151W can you lower the operating voltage a bit to achieve similar results without sacrificing performance?

[@Soutar3DG]

Lowering the voltage can make the CPU unstable.

[@drimaco80]

How can i load the msi bios 181 watt package for the 13600K as said in the video at 15:05 pls? I have an MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk DDR4

[@F1neW1ne]

Was jazzed to do the "sell my old 5800X CPU and buy a new gen setup" but since either brand requires I buy new board/ram/cpu... I guess I play the waiting game. See what 2023 Q1 brings. Likely grab a 4080 or 7800XT GPU after they get out here and pricing has settled down a bit. The wait for the 7700X3D or whatever CPU rolls up. I agree with you 100%. 7600X and 7700X need a $50 price drop now.

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

The 5800X 3D is a beast of a cpu for gaming. Might be the better value vs Zen4 and Intel 13th gen if mainly game

[@Keullo-eFIN]

At least as an upgrade if you already have an AM4 board. May just do that myself.

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

@@Keullo-eFIN that is what I have right now a B550

[@whitehavencpu6813]

They need to launch a 5900X3D just because there's demand for it. Zen 4 is selling poorly.

[@jaze7045]

I would like to see 12700k ddr4 and 13600k ddr5 comparison even if it's not this detailed

[@hullahupp]

Very good information! The only thing I cannot believe is that 12700K with DDR5 is much slower than with DDR4 in this specific game 9:50

[@somebrains5431]

The i5 is $329 on Newegg right now. So what’s the sane gpu pairing for it? Curious if gpu pricing is going to skew low and mid pc builds for this Holiday season.

[@KC-bg1th]

I’ve been team blue all my life, but the 5800X3D was a precursor for what we’re going to get with the 7800X3D. With the rumours of that coming in Q1 (which is also when Noctua’s new DH-15 is supposed to drop) I’m going to have to hold off.

[@OC.TINYYY]

I mean, why would you buy a 7800X3D when Meteor Lake (14th gen next year) w/ large IPC increases is coming? AMD will recapture the gaming title for like 5 months w/ the 7800X3D (lose in everything else) before Meteor Lake comes & will lose it again for nearly 2 years until 8800X3D (early 2025). Zen 5 won't come out until late 2024 & will TRY & compete against 15th gen Arrow Lake (huge IPC increases).

[@KC-bg1th]

@@OC.TINYYY AMD will recapture the gaming title for like 5 months w/ the 7800X3D (lose in everything else) Yeah, this computer does nothing but gaming. That's the thing most people keep fucking getting tricked by. How the fuck people haven't realized the inherent bias of reviewers overhyping chips that are good at productivity tasks is beyond me. 99% - probably even higher than that, won't use the benefits of what reviewers overhype CPUs for. If I need a car for a race, I'm not going to be opting for a BMW with luxury features, and being able to do everything above average. I'm opting for a McLaren, because all I will be benefiting from is what that McLaren does. I'm also not going to fall victim to analysis paralysis, where I'm constantly thinking of what I'll miss out on if I wait. Because here's the crazy thing: Shit always gets better, while your shit gets worse. I've waited 5.5 years with a 7700K, while building PCs for friends that have 8th gen, and 12th gen, and whatever the best option is in Q1 of 2023 is what I'm getting. And even if I do regret the purchase, it's not like it's set in stone. I can just repurpose or give my buddy my motherboard and CPU to upgrade to whatever else. But that's only if the difference in gaming is sizable enough for me to care. But right now, there's games releasing that I need an upgrade for, and if the 7800X3D is the best option at that time, I'm buying it. I'd wait if my CPU wasn't 4 cores, but it is, and it's awful. The 1% lows in every game I play are horrendous.

[@alphen9676]

That is because these reviews are meant for everyone in the market, not just gamers. Productivity is huge in the age of work for home and almost everyone wanst to create content. I feel it is less of reviewers overhyping and people being unaware and and more of you being an angry small minded GAMER who doesn't realize the world does not revolve around him and his hobby.

[@MrBoombast64]

I would like to see you use the same memory config of both DDR5 systems. Either DDR5 6000 or 6400 on both.

[@Angel7black]

Im pretty sure AMD themselves came out and said that 6000 was the optimal speed for Zen 4 overall and thats why they use it

[@MrBoombast64]

@@Angel7black Yes I knewed that, but for consistancy I would like them use the same. Intel has a 5400Mhz for there new SKU so then that should be the speed to use?!